Open 675: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over!)

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VOTE: Spade_Ace

I'm thinking that scum are more likely to pick a higher number like that since they don't feel as personally driven to get PRs.

So you think scum are not going to go for roles like Roleblocker or Role Cop. Scum will choose a PR just so that town CANT use it. They are equally driven.

A higher number is just intelligent play. Chances of duplicates would be low cos the crowd would go for low value numbers. Similar to how Persivul picked 16 and got placed 5th. 7/7 is my bday, so I chose 7.

1) There is utmost one scum among the 1 picks. Scum wouldn't be that dumb to pick multiple ones. So the 1 picks should not be the lynch for the day.
2) Next, there is a high probability of scum between Whemeplay and Lil Uzi Vert. Will explain the reasoning much later.

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Spade, LOLL, how do you manage to get more than 1 votes in the RVS?? Sorry for all the tunneling the last game.

I think it is my special skill to get scumread on day1 in eachand every game I play . Also, no hard feeling due to last game.

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Itis not shit. I wanted to go with either 6,7,8 or 9. I chose 7.

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Also, transcend am curious why did u go for 1? Did u actually think u would be the only person who was clever enough to go for the least number in draft?

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Hey Schadd, if you are not mafia, then there is a good chance for you to be the target of the night kill tonight. Just putting it out there.

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Yes. It wasn't directed at you. Just bringing it to the attention of protective roles...

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Why??

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Well if you have seen my games. Then you know that's how I play.

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Another thing, ppl don't forget mafia have day chat.

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You have the ability to pick any role you want. Given the opportunity ppl normally pick top power roles. Mafia obviously knows that.
Am just letting ppl who are knew to the game know that in case they didn't realise such an obvious thing.

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lord

@schadd if you are town. It would be good to let things be as it is and not be patronising. Things are not always as they seem they are.

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Giga seems town (page1-2)

Well, well. Look who's here.

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Do you think it was something mafia didn't know?

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Prince looks suspicious (page1-2)
Keep transcend in the game. No PL. He is useful in later rounds.

Don't like this at all for some reason.

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@schadd
Something that I know. My play is scummy.
Something that I realised from my games, most ppl who go after me are scums. Cos am easy to get lynched.

Therefore, you are one of my scumreads now.

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So Schadd, when you said you read open 657, did you actually read it????

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So did you notice, that even I was in that game? And that I was scumread on day 1 for the exact same things?

If you had actually read it, you wouldn't have thought my play was a scumtell

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I joined open 657 quite late. Therefore had lots of read. Go check my previous game if you are someone who does that a lot.

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Prince looks suspicious (page1-2)
Keep transcend in the game. No PL. He is useful in later rounds.

Don't like this at all for some reason.

You don't like my read of Prince or what I said about Transcend? Why?

About transcend. Am not able to out a finger on why I don't like it.

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VOTE: bangthemafia

i got a false positive on him reading open 657 but this feels different

How? I have played many games with him, and one thing I have found is I can never read him. I think every statement of Bang's can come from a scum or a town team.
Spade, you agree with Schadd on Bang?

Town!bang is always courteous and friendly. Scum!Bang becomes slightly aggressive and starts swearing a little more.

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Hey Schadd, if you are not mafia, then there is a good chance for you to be the target of the night kill tonight. Just putting it out there.

Haha, try however hard I may, you do manage to raise my antennae!! Everyone knows that PRs are distributed by the draft. Why do u hav to lay it down on table?

Lyon, I see that you don't have any newbie games. I take it then you're an alt?

Reading that, I thought this could be Lyons first game on the site

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@alban what did you find suspicious about Prince Lyon?

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Also alban what do you think about analysing the draft numbers and possible roles. Do you think it is pointless?

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So on day 1, I am learning to make more observations, and seek clarifications and make less judgements

I should do this as well.

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Bang do you think scum would take the risk of choosing the same draft number? Is it possible to definitely say scum won't choose the same number?

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Hey kill, I was reading the last pick your power game where you were scum. Can you tell us some of your thought process while choosing roles?

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um why how does that help you read me in any way whatsoever

Not to read you. To understand the mentality of scum during draft.

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As a team. Not as an individual.

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Also alban what do you think about analysing the draft numbers and possible roles. Do you think it is pointless?

Yes, coz the motivation behind the draft and acquiring a role is individual-based and not faction-based.

You do know scum had chance to discuss before choosing the draft numbers right?

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Mod, V/LA till 23rd.

Startegic time-out huh, alban?

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shut up i dont need to explain anything

um why how does that help you read me in any way whatsoever

Not to read you. To understand the mentality of scum during draft.

oh ok give me a second

so we were choosing roles that can function as town utility and scum utility roles to where we could claim a scum action could also be a town action to help us from getting caught. the more powerful, the better, too.

Ohh.hmm that makes sense. I thought they would probably go for slots with roles like Role Cop or Cop(redirector), so as to prevent town from getting roles that directly reveal their identity.

You guys had good draft numbers yet chose vigilante, jailkeeper and vengeful. That is interesting.

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Oh man that post was bad

Why??

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Caught up but it felt really disjointed reading it. In part because it took 3 reading sessions.

Your thoughts???

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lol lets lynch it

Let's lynch him. Come on.

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I am a 'he' not an 'it'.

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Hehe... Chill...Was jus saying that for fun... Don't care what I call me...

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*you

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I have no idea what you guys are rambling about. Stop overanalyzing my posts.

I thought it would bring a wifom situation essentially. Me saying protective powers please protect Schadd, means they can choose to protect or not. So mafia would have to take a risk in trying to night kill Schadd.

Sheeesh!!!

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Why flip? Can't someone just investigate me?

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giga is town, unless someone can convince me otherwise. Trans is town, unless someone can convince me otherwise. Uzi is scum until he starts showing his town game.

VOTE: Uzi

Basing reads off of previous games is dumb.

And, yet, it works so well for me.

Penguin power, you need to contribute more. You just have two posts.

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Trans and Persivul reactions are leantown, Spade_Ace reaction is leanscum.

Actually 284 looks a bit like "look at me guys i'm playing the game i'm town yeah yeah"

VOTE: davesaz

Caught up but it felt really disjointed reading it. In part because it took 3 reading sessions.

This is traditionally the point at which you, you know, share your thoughts on what you've read and stuff.

Just announcing that you read it doesn't do much.

So you find the above two reactions as town but the below one as scum? Care to explain it further?

Caught up but it felt really disjointed reading it. In part because it took 3 reading sessions.

Your thoughts???

Seems like you are just going along with what everyone is saying.

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That sounds like a setup to explain why they are still alive.

I also don't like Spade's speculation on reasons for schadd to be alive tomorrow.

Why do you say that? Do you feel Schadd is scum??

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like spade says weird shit and i'd agree that if a scum watcher flips we lynch him but

Hmmm. Realised now why people were so jumpy about my post.

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VOTE: Spade

VOTE: Spade

You both need to explain your votes.

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Also PP should get a prod.

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So you find the above two reactions as town but the below one as scum? Care to explain it further?

The others are less cautious and follow the more likely path of starting with the lurker might be scum (though that's a site meta that needs some serious fixing imo). Though Persivul's is more the skeptic path, it's still a "this might be scum" kind of reaction which is weakly townie. You

on the other hand seem to have a preconception that I'm town, which only scum should have.

Wow. You deduced all that from me saying "your thoughts"???

That was your very first post. Why would I think you were a lurker?? Should I be sorry that I didn't follow site meta??

By finding me scummy based on a no reason I just find you going for the low hanging fruit. Also why are you not voting for me if am a scum lean.

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Because I'm feeling pretty certain that you're scum here right now.

How are you pretty certain? Is it just a scum lean or is it based on Titus's meta?

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VOTE: Spade

Sheeping Titus. Don't hink i have ever done that before.
I also don't like Spade's speculation on reasons for schadd to be alive tomorrow. Setting up WINFOM shit.

We are townier to BTM, plus they will shift to Titus if the wagon builds!!!

VOTE: Titus

L-2?

What will happen next?

VOTE: Spade

VOTE: Titus

I don't like Whemeplay's and Persivul's vote changes. Titus hadn't said anything at all between their vote changes. It seems as if they are jumping to the next viable lynch. I know even other have done this but, for today, am ignoring the vote shifts of the 1s.

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Having said that, lynching Titus isn't a bad idea. Ready to vote for him but don't want to put him at L-1.

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Titus is at L-1. Please claim.

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Titus is at L-1. Please claim.

would you hammer her here? if so, why?

Have already mentioned that am ready to vote for her. Are you asking me whether I scumread her or not???

No one, among the top 5 in the final list, has been obvtowning in this game. A flip among the top5 will give much needed info to the other players and I really don't care much for anyone in there.

Titus in particular is defending herself only by throwing shade on me. She gives a bs reason when I asked her to explain her naked vote on me.

"My VCA mini too early theory says you're scum. The fear response is noted"

. She hasn't given me any reason to think she is town. And if she is we will know soon based on her claim.

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VOTE: Penguin

What's up? I see you have plenty of time to post in other games...

How does that make him scum??

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Titus is at L-1. Please claim.

The facepalm seems to indicate that you disapprove of the L-1. So, why did you ask for a claim, instead of asking for an unvote?

Cos I thought it would be pointless asking transcend to do that. I don't think he would have listened to me.

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The on my town role she can claim is VT. How would any other claim sway you?

The only town role she can claim is VT, if she is a scum. If she claims any other town role, would you not be swayed??

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How does that make him scum??

How can you ask such a bad question?

VOTE: Spade

I don't Think Pp would lurk this bad as a scum. All he does is prod dodge. That brings too much attention. I doubt scum would do that.

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Do you still suspect her? Or was this to prevent someone from hammering her.

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and what sort of information would be gathered by a flip from one of us? and, better yet, why can't we expect that to happen from a nightkill?

Use your imagination.

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how else should she defend herself? a large part of the collective scumread on her was that she was inactive, and she gave a reason for that. i don't think the reason she gave (reasons, rather) for you were bs, but your mileage may vary.

Stop asking dumb questions.

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I don't Think Pp would lurk this bad as a scum. All he does is prod dodge. That brings too much attention. I doubt scum would do that.

So you think lurkers should get a pass because, hey, scum wouldn't do that. Got it!

They don't get a pass. Which is why I tried pressurising him initially by talking about prod and saying that he wasn't contributing much. But voting him for that is just plain stupid according to.me.

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ooh, two nonanswers, 1 not addressed. how did i guess?

Change your tone and I might consider answering you.

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hey don't get a pass. Which is why I tried pressurising him initially by talking about prod and saying that he wasn't contributing much. But voting him for that is just plain stupid according to.me.

Talk doesn't pressure, votes do. You've played enough to know that. Why are you pretending otherwise?

p-edit: See? Betelgeuse!

Hmmm, yeah.

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You brought him back to the game with that vote.

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I prefer whemeplay lynch over Titus at the moment.
VOTE: WhemePlay

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Town: Prince, GBT, Transcend, Bang, Persivul,
Town Lean: Alban, KTS
Null: PP, Dunstral
Scum lean: Schadd, Titus, Davesaz
Scum: Whemeplay,

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WhemePlay:

- In his First Post, he starts off by saying,

'I am pissed but considering'

but doesn't give the reason. This to me, seems like a setup for him to claim VT later on. The "pissed" leads us to imagine that he was a player who didnt get his desired PR and ended up being a VT. But being the second person on the draft, why would he say this as town.
- In his Second Post, he asks for a policy lynch of the 1s. In succeeding posts he seems to hint at an explanation for this but I havent understood it.
- Posts 36 and 38, gave an initial town lean.
- In post 346, he says he doesn't see a reason enough to vote for me. Later on Prince and others start saying they too suspect me. He sees that am a viable lynch candidate and votes for me in 382 saying he wants to sheep Titus and that he didnt like my WIFOM explanation.
- His very next post, he sees that the current viable candidate is Titus and votes for her. He gave no solid reason for voting Titus. And Titus had said nothing between WhemePlays's vote shifts.
- Titus is now at L-1 and WhemePlay unvotes her in 554 without giving a reason. If Titus is scum, then this could have been WhemPlay preventing his scum buddying from being accidentally lynched.
- I feel he was looking for an excuse to unvote Titus and he found that in me 574

Having reread this it does kinda feels like I am finding evidence to back my scumread. But anyway, I just want all my thoughts out there.

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Alban is actually more of a scum lean. Alban as scum normally tries to push me and get me lynched. The last time he did that I called him out for that. I can see a scum!alban having realized that a Spade push could backfire on him asking one of his scumbuddies to push me instead. The fact that Alban hasn't scumread me this game makes me scumread him. Sorry if it sounds too convoluted.

Also I didn't like how he thought that the draft wasn't faction-based in 199.

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@schadd I apologize. Didn't mean to be rude. It was just that, I felt the questions that you asked me were not genuine scumhunting. More meant to frame a person rather than understanding someone's alignment. Nevertheless, I will answer them tmrw. It's night over here. About to sleep.

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UNVOTE: Whemeplay

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Hey Schadd, if you are not mafia, then there is a good chance for you to be the target of the night kill tonight. Just putting it out there.

Yes. It wasn't directed at you. Just bringing it to the attention of protective roles...

and this is pgo fishing

Schadd i am town. Not that it going to convince you. If you are town I request you to think from that perspective too.

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UNVOTE: Whemeplay

OK, I'll bite - what's with the unvote?

His prior post to the unvote convinced me.

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I got here cos of my play. Am not surprised or salty that ppl are suspecting me. 6/7 games I have been scumread on Day1 irrespective of my alignment. I know am scummy. Funny thing is I have won all my scum games and lost all my town games. I don't want town to lose cos I hogged too much attention on Day1.

Alban, I have played so much with him that I will always view him cautiously. Alban's first few posts were bad and he has only been defending himself all game from what I rmbr. But he and bang are both busy ppl. Maybe he didn't get enough time to read ppl???

Titus I have no idea about ur style of play. But I am curious about ur VCA theory. Could you explain how you used that to coclude I was scum?

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@alban read it again

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Also alban you said I was being opportunistic b4 can you explain yourself? I had just voted for one person the whole game. Whemeplay. How is that being opportunistic?

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@alban to say I am convinced he is town is wrong. More like, i am willing to put him at NULL for now.

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i can confirm that if schadd doesn't claim 1-shot commuter he is mod confirmed scum.

VOTE: schadd claim

Not sure whether i should ask for an explanation. But if you think it does town no harm, do explain how you came to this conclusion.

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He said those posts are dumb because I wasn't scum reading Spade, and he was.
-Wheme

Wheme, sorry, but this time your dad is wrong and you are right

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Dude, this is just salt. I am on a salt free diet. You keep spewing it, I keep lynching.

Why is bang even referenced in this post? Most people thing Bang is scumhunting.

I want you to explain why scum even bother to wagon you if Alban and I are town. My VCA theory is just looking at votes and explaining why they were that way.

Bang and Alban are two guys i know outside if this forum and have played with them before.

I dont know whether scum or town wagoned me. Why are you asking me to explain a random hypothetical that you brought into play.

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@Titus as you are giving out hypotheticals. Suppose you lynch me today and i flip town. Tell me what would your VCA theory indicate?

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@PL do you think the game state would improve a lot if my alignment was confirmed?

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@schadd i wasnt pgo fishing.

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I am fairly sure i wont be killed at night as am a lynchbait. I can only get lynched. I am a vanilla townie. I didnt get the PR i was looking for. You can either trust me or lynch me today. But if town decides not to lynch me today pls dont start scumreading me the following days.

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So unless you can confirm your alignment during the day phase I would say no.

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My strongest scumread is Spade right now.

Did you read my last post?

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titus that's

100% a town claim

can we move on from this

if he's town

then scum know that the doctor must be above him

@gbt why do you say both?

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Congrats alban !!!

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What do you think of my claim?

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Bang is probably town.

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Why do you think that?

It resembles his town meta. Check out his last two games.

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@Titus do you still scumread me? do you not trust the claim?

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Why do you think that?

It resembles his town meta. Check out his last two games.

How does he play as scum?

He is a lot more precise, plans way ahead and would read the whole thread before commenting. He would never take the risk of appearing scummy for silly reasons like the Alt. If he was scum and he didn't know what it meant, he would have asked his partners first. Asks lots of questions instead of giving out opinions like he did here. Slightly more aggressive.

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If Spade is actually a VT, everyone above him is conftown or game imbalanced as fuck.

Hmmm. This could be true.

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I agree that the game could be heavily imbalanced against town but didnt understand the 'conftown' part.

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I think he was talking about my 'Bang' opinion.

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@titus i would never have been nightkilled

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@titus i would never have been nightkilled

No, but the three players above you would. Use some common sense if town.

I was talking about my reason for nightkill. Do read the thread first.

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@titus i would never have been nightkilled

No, but the three players above you would. Use some common sense if town.

I was talking about my reason for claim. Do read the thread first.

EBODP

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If scum feared that you were a cop or something you may well have been. Your claim was objectively terrible man don't do that again if you're town.

I doubt. Unless i fakr breadcrumbed.

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VOTE: Persivul

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You will comment on my posts, you will discuss me with others, but you aren't saying anything to me directly.

Also alban you said I was being opportunistic b4 can you explain yourself? I had just voted for one person the whole game. Whemeplay. How is that being opportunistic?

What do you think of my claim?

Am saying things to you directly now, yet no response
Hmmmm

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@WhemePlay your thoughts on what's happening

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Should I reveal what PR I missed out on??

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@Persivul being placed 5th why would you opt for rolecop/universal backup when you know for sure you won't get it?

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@bang what do you think about alban?

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If ub/rc is in top 3 pers is near 100sies telling the truth about pick

PL I didn't understand this. Can you explain it.

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Schadd, who would you like to get lunched today?

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*lynched

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Titus has four votes now.

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The mod has more posts than Davesaz and PP

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I think am okay with lynching anyone other the 1s, GBT and Bang.

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What do you think of Persivul's claim. He was right I didn't do much research. Have read only one other PYP. But I still doubt why a number 5, has chances of getting RC/ub slot.

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Also, suppose you lynch me and I flip VT. Does it give you any additional info on whom to target?

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Whom to 'lynch' the next day is what I meant. Sheeesh

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Persivul's ISO does look Townie.
UNVOTE:

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Touche.

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VOTE: Alban
Placeholder vote. Will prob sheep the largest wagon at this point. Don't have any strong scumreads.

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Persivul's ISO does look Townie.
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would you like to elaborate on this?

My vote on him was cos I didn't like that he was scumreading Lyon and wanted to see how his wagon would develop. But I was okay with his reaction to pressure. It seemed genuine. The only issue I still have with him is his claim of having chosen rc/ub at num 5 pos. Let me check other games and see if he is telling the truth.

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and can you point to any of persivul's posts that sounded genuine or explain how a genuine reaction to such confers a townread?

Not interested, but thanks for the question.

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Okay. So day2 then.

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If Persi and Spade are telling truth, which I feel they are,

What about spade are you referencing?

Because it looks like you're once again white knighting without knowing what you were talking about.

VOTE: bangthemafia

He is talking about the fact that both persivul and I have already claimed VT. But persivul is the only one who has revealed the PR he tried for.

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What???? I unvoted wheme b4 cos I thought he softed some other role. Not watcher.

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Asses

Your are a town tracker

Is this a claim or is he commenting on someone's elses role?

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Should I point to what I thought was crumbing???

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What???? I unvoted wheme b4 cos I thought he softed some other role. Not tracker.

EBODP

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Yeah let's see it?

ohh fk!!! My bad!! It looks like it was an error with MS's quoting codes. It wasn't an a breadcrumb. I'll still tell what I thought it was.

Remember, wheme's 737 where he reposted all his previous posts? I thought there had to be a reason for him to do this. I had just ISOd him a few posts earlier while making a case and I noticed a few changes. His posts 50 and 56 looked different in 737. There was an additional "V" next to whemestar and Sleep. I thought he was crumbing Night Vigilante. Which was I immediately unvoted him.

But it looks like that was an issue with quoting. Realized that while trying to quote. Sorry for the confusion.

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VOTE: Titus

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Schadd would never have picked UB/Role Cop as first pick as either alignment.

Lyon why do you day that? Am curious. RC is a strong town role if am not mistaken.

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Forget it Lyon. I understood.

Yeah so I know schadds role if others are telling the truth.

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Bang as Town - 674 , 671

Bang as scum - 657

Bang is probably town.

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VOTE: Momo

I feel his reads are opportunistic.
- First he suspects bang and me
- Then he says bang, me and alban.
- Then when transcend and I said bang is town. He shifts to alban and me
- Then when KTS starts scumreading Lyon he too starts suspecting him.
- When Lyon suspects KTs, he votes for KTS

Haven't played with him b4, so don't know if this is his style. Started TRing Persivul towards the end. But his replacement feels scummy.

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^^^^This shows that town Is absolutely clueless. I agree with Dave, one of the VT claims should be the lynch.

Our best town strategy for early game deadline in this setup is to lynch a claimed VT if we can't agree on scum.

Lynch either me or Momo.

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^^^^This shows that town Is absolutely clueless. I agree with Dave, one of the VT claims should be the lynch.

Our best town strategy for early game deadline in this setup is to lynch a claimed VT if we can't agree on scum.

ARE YOU KDIDING ME

Why not? We already have four claims and no alignment knowledge.

Why take the risk of outing another PR who could end up as a kill target at night? Night actions are probably not going to reveal the alignment of the VT claims.

I am not saying to keep lynching the VTs. But on Day1 it seems better than forcing more PRS to reveal their roles.

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Alban. Your thoughts?

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Spade, what's Schadd's role?

Still want me to??

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VOTE: Lyon
I don't know why most of the town is townreading him. He has been even more flighty and opportunistic than Spade.

Bad vote.

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Fuck you all

Mod replace me.

He has replaced himself out of all games. It is not a frustrated townie replacing himself out.

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@mod sorry not sure whether the above msg is against the rules. If so please edit it.

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Fair enough though. Maybe they just wanted to kill the tracker anyway.

There is another explanation to this. The universal backup / Titus is town. Scum didn't want Titus getting a very strong power role. So they purposefully killed Wheme.

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spade what do you think of alban?

@Spade, what do u think of alban this game? I dont know why but i just fail to understand this bloodthirst for alban. What case others have for his slot?

Alban appeared to be playing quite different from his usual style. Whether as scum or town, he usually gives solid logical points. Offers his comments and thoughts about diff people and usually plays with an agenda. He seemed quite random in this game. His vote on me, just after I claimed VT, without any comments; his vote on Lyon, they don't add up. When I said that I scumread him for not scumreading me, he immediately wrote a long post on why I was scum. That was his only substantive post in the game.

As he is busy in IRL, I was waiting for him to find time to post his thoughts. Kept asking him "his thoughts", so that we could have a clearer understanding of his alignment. But all his catchups lacked content. The way he replaced himself out also seemed "over the top".

Anyway, will wait for his replacement to post before deciding whether to vote him or not.

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I don't remember calling alban is scummy today. Just told what I thought about his play. Am not townreading or scum reading him. Waiting for the replacement to post.

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@bang what exactly does your analysis conclude??

Is there any way we can push the game forward? Too many town and null reads

@Titus I was waiting for your VCA. Anything in particular that it suggests?

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is anyone still scumreading spade? i think that's the slot i want to reevaluate in that case

Gigabyte talk to me. Ask me some questions that will help you re-evaluate me.

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What would happen if no one wants to replace in??

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Prod acknowledged.

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Vote Count 2.4

Killthestory (3):

Titus, Prince Lyon, PenguinPower

Prince Lyon (1):

nancy

nancy (1):

gigabyteTroubadour

davesaz (1):

Killthestory

PenguinPower (1):

Dunnstral

Spade_Ace (1):

schadd_

Not Voting (4):

bangthemafia, davesaz, Spade_Ace, Cloudkicker

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-18 19:31:00).

bangthemafia is V/LA until Saturday.

Vote Count 2.5

Killthestory (4):

Titus, PenguinPower, nancy, Dunnstral

nancy (4):

gigabyteTroubadour, Killthestory, Prince Lyon, davesaz

Spade_Ace (1):

schadd_

Not Voting (3):

bangthemafia, Spade_Ace, Cloudkicker

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-18 19:31:00).

bangthemafia is V/LA until Saturday.

Nancy your case seems fake af.
It looks as if you came in, saw the pressure on your slot and decided to make a case against the leading wagon.
Agree kts hasnt contributed a lot, but the points you have chosen to comment on his ISO doesnt seem genuine.

VOTE: Nancy

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[quote="In post 2056, davesaz
Spade_Ace has been doing things that seemed manipulative to me, during d1 for sure and might have seen it d2 as well.
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Dave can you point outthe things that seemed manipulative to you?

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@Giga,

help me bus

bang or kts then.

Me/Pers was tvt so, at least 1 scum is off the wagon. That's bang or kts. Alban is also cleared due to draft and wagons. Spade was a likely rolefish. Tracker was killed bc tracker.

Help you bus? Is that a freudian slip?

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Nancy your case seems fake af.
It looks as if you came in, saw the pressure on your slot and decided to make a case against the leading wagon.
Agree kts hasnt contributed a lot, but the points you have chosen to comment on his ISO doesnt seem genuine.

VOTE: Nancy

Lmao did you even read the fucking spoiler I literally quoted just about every single AI post in his ISO. I honestly don't give a fuck about pushing with other people which anyone who's played with me knows, KTS is a scumfuck coasting the hell out of this game and the fact that he can't even engage with me in a genuine way should probably tell people something. I seriously have no fucking clue how anyone is TRing that slot right now.

I did read the spoiler.
@KTS she is right though about you not engaging with her. Do respond to her case on you.

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Spade looks awful in VCA.

Every single time

a Spade wagon starts building a bunch of counterwagons pop up.

Really?? I thought i had a wagon build against me just once in this game. Can you post the "many" times the wagon build. Maybe i am mistaken.

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@kts who is scum if i flip town?

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lynch spade because regardless of his flip i solve the game

wouldnt that push the idea to not lynch spade? lolz

associations

What about you making the conjectures of the both possible outcomes of spade flips ? im curious

if spade flips scum scum isn't going to be voting him right now probably titus or another wagon that's stupid like mine tho not nancy.
if he flips town titus is scum.

What makes you think scum wouldn't bus me if i was their partner?
And how does my town flip implicate titus?

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Cloudkicker???....transcends slot really?

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Dude am town.

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If KTS and nancy were scum i dont think they would push for my lynch esp after i revealed am VT. I guess i should start looking at ppl townreasding me.

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I will post separately some of Spade's posts that have been worrying me. Just to remind myself, his posts after Wheme's play and his post inviting investigation at night

@bang what was your case on me again? I just find you saying spade is scummy multiple times but not providing any evidence to back it up.

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@cloud what about dunn and dave?

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@giga which slot's lynch (irrespective of whether you feel the slot is town/scum) do you think would give town the maximum info?(vca based or flip wise) ....for me this person is schadd....for one i can verify his draft slot....second i dont know why no one is pushing for his lynch....i think if schadd was town, then scum would have actually pressured that slot a lot more....but there is almost zero pressure on him....and it is not like he comes off as an obvtown guy.....

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Maybe i am biased cos of the 1v1 we had....anyway, this game is stalling ..not sure whether it is cos scum is playing an excellent game or it is due to the nature of the setup...

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I dont mind a nancy lynch...at this point only bang and titus are the only ones who are defending that slot hard...

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Why is that? What would a scum do? Fake a power role claim? And then come in focus with a counterclaim? I would rather always claim VT as scum. It provides me immunity from lynch for some duration as many will just believe that claim as is happening right now.

@bang my vt claim can be verified. It is my alignment which cannot be verified and this is true for everyone else.

To verify whether i am vt or not, i just need to tell the role schadd chose. Schadd can verify this.

But currently he chooses not to reveal himself. So i dont want to go against that.

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This is excruciatingly not-fun and stressful for me. I want you to talk to me about something not tell me the answers.

@lyon would you vote for Titus today?? am kinda trusting you completely to sort Titus. All arguments for and against her have been made based on Meta and i have never played with her.

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Why is that? What would a scum do? Fake a power role claim? And then come in focus with a counterclaim? I would rather always claim VT as scum. It provides me immunity from lynch for some duration as many will just believe that claim as is happening right now.

@bang my vt claim can be verified. It is my alignment which cannot be verified and this is true for everyone else.

To verify whether i am vt or not, i just need to tell the role schadd chose. Schadd can verify this.

But currently he chooses not to reveal himself. So i dont want to go against that.

All that will just verify that you are vanilla, not necessarily townie. You could have been a scum who opted for XYZ role that you didnt get because Schadd picked it. That makes you a mafia goon, not a VT.

That is literally what i just told. "It is my alignment that cannot be verified". There are very few roles that can be alignment verified.

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but lynching our tracker claim is dumb.

What??? Tracker is already dead...

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Ohhh you meant Titus.. okay...

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something i should have done a while ago: spade, what's my role?

You chose cop/1-shot Redirector.

I was under the impression rolecop was better than cop. So made the mistake of opting for cop. Realised during the game rolecop doesn't reveal alignment info.

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Please tell me you didnt investigate me.

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Please tell me you didnt investigate me.

shouldnt you know that he didnt investigate you if you're town??

VOTE: spade

Whaaat? How would i know? If he investigated me it reveals as 'vanilla' whether i am a VT or goon.

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My bad. Confused rolecop and cop again.

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[quote="In post 2373, davesaz"]Yeah, town should be happy if cop investigates them and gets to out the result, not be concerned about it.
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As town would you want a cop to waste their power on you?

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Dude, different mental states. Then i was defensive. Now i am bored that the game is stalling and wish you had investigated someone else.

The fact that you still find me suspicious means you investigated someone else.

Just reveal it already.

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^^@schadd

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Okay. Alban??

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Penguin Power???

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why wouldn't you get nightkilled?

If they killed Lyon, they lose a chance to decide what PR the UB gets.

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then keeping your vote where it is might be a good idea

Just saw this....seriously??

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If i was a scum, i didnt have to announce that i knew you were a cop/Redirector. I could have said i too opted for the UB role like persivul.

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That was a safe bet for me. I revealed that i knew your role on day1 itself. You think that if i was in the scum team, we would then decide to roleblock you?

@lyon do you think schadd could be a.scum pretending to.have got roleblocked???

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I seriously am starting to think both the roleblocker and schadd are scum and schadd chose 1shot Redirector instead of cop.

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titus is ub/rolecop as is spade (titus got it)
schadd is cop/redirector

I opted for cop/Redirector. This is how i know schadd is either cop/Redirector.

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iirc titus claimed UB or at least heavily softed it to the point it's accepted that that's her role but i'm ok w not listing that as her role if we're only doing conf stuff

He hard claimed UB.

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by the way titus was actually at l-2 haha

Didn't matter. Lyon likely scumslipped I was the universal backup which he should have no way of knowing. I was outed. The l minus is irrelevant.

If he gambited just to fish a claim from me, fuck it. He jeeps outing roles because people won't obey his will, he has to die anyway as he's helpful to scum regardless of alignment. If it refuses to vote scum and rolefishes, fuck it.

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have her track dunn

What if dunn is pgo??

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UNVOTE:

I have a better idea

Titus tracks me tonight, and outs where I go.

If she picked Role cop, she'll know my role but not where I went.

I think by POE, dunn's possible roles are quite limited.

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We are leashing KTS's shot or lynching him today.

Leashing KTS's shot-meaning??

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He is night3 vig. So to test, we need to wait till night 3. There js nothing we can make him do, this night

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cloud you are terrible and no one gives a fuck about your opinions

I would lynch you before I lynched Titus and I am perfectly willing to PL you rather than deal with you. this game became a thousand times less fun when you replaced in

@PL am not able to understand the issue you are having with him. Are they past games, problems?

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Cloud, Prince is an alt of RC

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VOTE: Penguin Power

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All this exercise is not very informative as anybody could lie. We seriously need a flip or an investigation.

Which is what we are trying to do. Lynch someone who we think will give max info.

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If Titus actually did slip

What slip???

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SO who do you think will give max info, Spade?

Right now Penguin. He looks like the person who is most likely to flip roleblocker.

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If Schadd is scum-cop, he would never take this risk of claiming having roleblocked unless scum took RB.

Hmm true. Actually, even if roleblocker was his partner, scum!schadd has no need of claiming that he got roleblocked. That is like revealing to town that scum got the Doc/Rb slot. Its not helpful for scum at all. Which means, he is probably town.

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there has to be at least 2 people who went for those roles, i cant believe it

I think only one person opted for it. Town has no need to lie and more than one scum is not going to opt for the same role.

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PP who do you think will flip RB??

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Haha

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Hmmm. I wonder why there is a sudden interest in my lynch so close to deadline.*sarcasm*

Scum team: PP, KTS, Nancy. This is all i have to say.

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You're either bad town

, or scum. I lean latter.

Yeah, nice try of justifying your vote on an eventual town flip.

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Oh wait, except you haven't explained why I am you most informational lynch. I do find that interesting.

Cos the 5 above you have been honest about their draft choice. You are the next and most likely to choose RB.

Who do you think will flip RB?

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, there is definite scum in <giga, nancy> and <Titus, Spade>.

Why gigabyte? She looks towny to me.

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You're either bad town

, or scum. I lean latter.

Yeah, nice try of justifying your vote on an eventual town flip.

Oh wait, except you haven't explained why I am you most informational lynch. I do find that interesting.

Oh wait, except you haven't explained why I am you most informational lynch. I do find that interesting.

Cos the 5 above you have been honest about their draft choice. You are the next and most likely to choose RB.

Who do you think will flip RB?

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Who do you think will flip RB?

Absolutely no idea. Why do you believe everyone who said "not me?"

Because your draft slot seems ideal.

I am not asking who you 'know' will flip. Not looking for an accurate answer. Just who you think might flip.