Not when it flips scum.In post 824, Superhans wrote:also Grey your tunnelling really hurts towns ability to interrogate other players.
My death tunnels have not flipped town to date.
Not when it flips scum.In post 824, Superhans wrote:also Grey your tunnelling really hurts towns ability to interrogate other players.
The only knowledge you had of me was my scum game in a game you self-hammered AS scum.In post 823, Superhans wrote:y wouldn't town be afraid?In post 820, -Grey- wrote:I believed it was genuine!In post 817, Superhans wrote:the fear thing was genuine, not sure why you insisted that was so scummy.
That's why I was certain you were scum.
No. I was just done demanding it until I found something more to pushIn post 830, Superhans wrote:also i got the sense that until my slip you were less certain of me being scum? no?
SALTY SCUM HUHIn post 815, Superhans wrote:@Grey want you to know that you catching me was to do with me being retarded, not you being a pro player.
Sorry if I got a little zealous.In post 836, Superhans wrote:>:(
Yo mama.In post 841, Quick Transcendence wrote:Don't act like a child.In post 839, -Grey- wrote:He started it.
You have no appreciation of the classics.In post 844, Quick Transcendence wrote:I see you are original too, congrats.In post 843, -Grey- wrote:Yo mama.In post 841, Quick Transcendence wrote:Don't act like a child.In post 839, -Grey- wrote:He started it.
What makes you think I'm calling Lucca scum?In post 852, Hiraki wrote:When does useless = scum?
What makes you think 846 has any bearing whatsoever on my read of Lucca?In post 855, Hiraki wrote:You're definitely not town-reading him.
I was addressing Lucca.In post 858, Hiraki wrote:Maybe I'm misunderstanding - are you responding to my TR on Lucca or Lucca himself?
---<--@In post 860, Riley Cake wrote:I KNEW IT!!!! GOOD JOB GREY!!!
Compelling case. I was conflicted between tea and Hiraki being Hans' partner untilIn post 846, lucca261 wrote: Tea: he comes into the thread on the situation of 5 votes on hans, 2 on spade, 1 on omega (hans). he instantly townread Hans, and scumreads momo/omega, even using a post of mine to further this:He defends and townreads Hans every moment, and his only engagement with Hans is on a post asking Hans to clarify his read on Spade. interestingly, Tea only votes Omega after Hans changes his vote to Grey. he spends the whole rest of D1 spearheading the Omega lynch. even if I'm scumreading him hard and tunneling, he's not concerned with me. he's only concerned that I'm possibly Omega's partner. (here's your tell, Grey)In post 409, chilledtea wrote:Yes, although not sure about hans being scum.In post 319, lucca261 wrote:this is scum hans.
ChaosOmega is probably scum too for his comments on Hans at 317. but different factions.
literally, all his posts are about voting Omega/defending Hans. if Omega is a possible counter-wagon, it's because of tea. Some other interesting posts to look after:
In post 772, chilledtea wrote:Frankly I find it inconceivable that someone would scum read hans and town read omega.on Hans ISO, there is only a response about Omega and a null read on CT. no other interactionsIn post 716, chilledtea wrote:I think it is T vs T, if someone is scum it is probably grey.In post 714, Quick Transcendence wrote:AND I WAS DOING SO GOODIn post 713, Transcend wrote:Yo ct what do you think of the Hans vs. Grey feud?
TVT?
SVT?
SVS?
SVW?
You tell me.
~T
But for that grey would have to be a tremendous scum player.
basically, FMPOV, it's either Matt or Tea.
it's tea, but, right.
Caught scum replaced out because they saw the lynch coming.In post 865, davesaz wrote:Chilledtea has requested replacement. Will assess impact on deadline later.
In post 881, -Grey- wrote:Compelling case. I was conflicted between tea and Hiraki being Hans' partnerIn post 846, lucca261 wrote: Tea: he comes into the thread on the situation of 5 votes on hans, 2 on spade, 1 on omega (hans). he instantly townread Hans, and scumreads momo/omega, even using a post of mine to further this:He defends and townreads Hans every moment, and his only engagement with Hans is on a post asking Hans to clarify his read on Spade. interestingly, Tea only votes Omega after Hans changes his vote to Grey. he spends the whole rest of D1 spearheading the Omega lynch. even if I'm scumreading him hard and tunneling, he's not concerned with me. he's only concerned that I'm possibly Omega's partner. (here's your tell, Grey)In post 409, chilledtea wrote:Yes, although not sure about hans being scum.In post 319, lucca261 wrote:this is scum hans.
ChaosOmega is probably scum too for his comments on Hans at 317. but different factions.
literally, all his posts are about voting Omega/defending Hans. if Omega is a possible counter-wagon, it's because of tea. Some other interesting posts to look after:
In post 772, chilledtea wrote:Frankly I find it inconceivable that someone would scum read hans and town read omega.on Hans ISO, there is only a response about Omega and a null read on CT. no other interactionsIn post 716, chilledtea wrote:I think it is T vs T, if someone is scum it is probably grey.In post 714, Quick Transcendence wrote:AND I WAS DOING SO GOODIn post 713, Transcend wrote:Yo ct what do you think of the Hans vs. Grey feud?
TVT?
SVT?
SVS?
SVW?
You tell me.
~T
But for that grey would have to be a tremendous scum player.
basically, FMPOV, it's either Matt or Tea.
it's tea, but, right.untilCaught scum replaced out because they saw the lynch coming.In post 865, davesaz wrote:Chilledtea has requested replacement. Will assess impact on deadline later.
Not really.In post 884, Spade_Ace wrote:@grey nice work. I thought hans was town for sure. Meta helped you huh?
I wouldn't expect them to on d1, especially with a werewolf lynch.In post 887, Spade_Ace wrote:Also grey, what arw your thoughts on the mafia hit list? Would mafia be willing ro take the risk of.placing ome of their members in the list?
Which is exactly why I the last werewolf killed today.In post 886, Spade_Ace wrote:Does this not decide Mafia's game play? Normally in multiball, scum does genuine scumhunting in the day and kill town at night. But if it goes nightless, then scum cant afford to lose the remaining werewolf.In post 863, davesaz wrote:The wiki page is silent on this topic and the designer is in the game so it's kinda hard to ask. I lean towards going nightless in that case but it's presently undecided...
EditIn post 890, -Grey- wrote:Mafia was dumb for listing QT. Even stranger was QT being shot.
I just don't get either of those decisions at all.
I'm either town or mafia that busted my ass twisting arms to make a werewolf lynch go through on d1 which is suboptimal scum play for all sorts of reasons.In post 882, Darklyn wrote:Do i really have to read 36 pages to get a grip on this or can i just wing it
In post 892, -Grey- wrote:I'm either town or mafia that busted my ass twisting arms to make a werewolf lynch go through on d1 which is suboptimal scum play for all sorts of reasons.In post 882, Darklyn wrote:Do i really have to read 36 pages to get a grip on this or can i just wing it
Pick one.
If I'm town, votechilled teaUmlaut for great justice.
Yes.In post 894, Infinity 324 wrote:HrmmIn post 6, Riley Cake wrote:HIIII EVERYONE!!! MY NAME IS RILEY CAKE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO PLAYING WITH ALL OF YOU!!!! *hugs everyone*
VOTE: PimHel
YOUR NAME IS ONLY ONE LETTER AWAY FROM THE H E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS WORD!!!!
Is Riley always like this?
Considering pretty much everybody has your slot pegged as mafia, the only one here getting a reprieve is you.In post 903, Infinity 324 wrote:So far she looks like mafia to me, so she can live for now
Lol I forgot about that post.In post 906, Infinity 324 wrote:I like you.
Forcing scummy players to do work is pretty good as well.
He can't say I warn him!In post 93, -Grey- wrote:Hans, you are right to be scared of me.
When I decide I want somebody dead, I can drive the shit out of a wagon.
You just haven't gotten me there. Yet.
Sigh, stupid touch keyboard.In post 908, -Grey- wrote:He can't say I didn't warn him!In post 93, -Grey- wrote:Hans, you are right to be scared of me.
When I decide I want somebody dead, I can drive the shit out of a wagon.
You just haven't gotten me there. Yet.
I think Hans may have given away his partner right here the same way he gave himself away later on.In post 777, Superhans wrote:
@MOD
Can we have 24 hours so that Hiraki can catch up?
Pimel made literally 2 posts
You should really read the end of d1 again.In post 938, Umlaut wrote:Pedit: Grey, that's an interesting argument but it seems a bit too blatant even for a poor player.
I just performed magic the second day in a row.In post 942, Darklyn wrote:Wait what happened
In post 21, Superhans wrote:And Lucca
In post 128, lucca261 wrote:6 pages.
Hey guys, whats shaking?
Hey Hans. I'm thinking you are scum. Talk to me.
In post 132, Superhans wrote:@Lucca
Obviously im happy to talk to you. Thats why i added my "and Lucca " to my introduction.
However would prefer it if you kicked things off by expanding upon your points. i get that you need to wait until you're on a computer.
In post 133, lucca261 wrote:meh. re read Hans and he"s null. what did you think of my entrance?
the problem is that my gut still says you're scum.
In post 134, lucca261 wrote:what read do you want an explanation, hans?
happy to play with you again
In post 294, lucca261 wrote:god this game. painful
@space, 141, what's your read on the whole LUV-Riley situation?
@LUV, 144, he had, like, three posts with content. not sure why you're defending Spade here.
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somebody engage with me, reading all these pages made me brainless.
VOTE: Superhans
fine place to put a vote.
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grey is still town.
BTD is prob town.
hey matt, you go after Grey, you got a problem with me. so explain your vote.
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I had accidentaly posted this in another game. It's not updated now, but still works.
In post 382, Superhans wrote:Scum leaning Lucca.
He's tunneling me (calls me scum in his first post early RVS and hasn't shifted since. He says that because of his understanding of my meta this is a "scum" Superhans.
@Lucca if you want to play this card you need to actually explain it.
Y is Lucca town reading BTD?
Where does this come from?
In post 430, lucca261 wrote:379, @hans, here is what I don't like about him. look at this statement. is scummy in nature and he has no regard throwing it out there. so scum would have zero advantage in stating that. this is a constant theme on Hans ISO. sometimes I think he's throwing this stuff on purpose. and I don't like it.
382, @hans, not tunneling you. stating this is a blatant misrep of my play, but whatevs. explained on my other catchup why I'm townreading BTD. are you only asking that because someone else asked it too or are you really concerned about it?
hey LUV. what do you think of my theory as to why hans is doing that?
399, @quick, on other games I've read from you, especially LQ, you seem more active and connected to the game? any reason as to why you seem so distant this game?
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401, @hans, do a legitimate case on momo, and I'll unvote you.
hey tea guy, what's your concern with riley?
strangely, while I disagree with almost everything matt has thrown, I'd say his catchup earned town points with me. I just can't see how you can townread QT. I even can see Hans. QT is just popping in, asking random questions, and not following up on them. will answer matt read on me on another post.
In post 431, lucca261 wrote:the question about BTD I think I answered.In post 414, mattblackguy wrote:Lucca -Sure I'll engage with you. How do you get a town read on BTD6 after only one post, and that one post was him saying that he doesn't think Riley is annoying?(LT asked this too but Im also curious) Also why are you so aggressive this game? Especially towards Hans. You were chill in the mininormal I played with you, and didn't have this amount of confidience. It's really off-putting.In post 294, lucca261 wrote:somebody engage with me, reading all these pages made me brainless.
Also about your townread of Grey. He's abrasive, and puts himself out there as scum too. And I'm not sure what you mean exactly about his egotrip. Can you point me to some stuff that makes Grey town to you.
Last thing about Hans. You've played with him before when you were both scum. How was he in that game? This game he seems like an open book, and is just stream of conscious posting. Feels to me like he posts anything that comes to mind which may be why he is flopping all over the place with his reads. Did he play like this as scum? I'm used to seeing newer players play more reserved as scum. You said that Grey is putting himself out there, but isn't Hans doing the same thing?
I'm naturally a more agressive player as both alignments. but in that game, I was a PR. I was trying to float under the radar, on my own unique way. The confidence part will sound arrogant as fuck, but I realized that it turned out I'm actually good at this little game.
I liked Grey engagement with both Hans and Riley. 93 and 80 is what I was talking about his egotrip. I don't know. More of a gut read on these posts, but I've read them as town.
on my game with hans, I'd say his defenses were close to what they are now. in that game he had weirdly more confidence to go after players who were widely townread such as Magna or Doomfeathers. thing he's not doing here with Grey.
viewtopic.php?p=8722471&user_select%5B% ... 2#p8722471
here's his ISO on that game. interesting read.
In post 440, Superhans wrote:@Lucca what would you describe asyourscum meta during the nightless game we played together?
In post 587, lucca261 wrote:QT, would like your input based on Open 669. have you read that game?
BTD seems to be late on his input. I think it's quite funny, actually. not scummy, though.
go to bed hans dammit.
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can somebody tunnel me so I can get out of Hans vs Grey death match?
In post 588, lucca261 wrote:I'm saying I don't like Tea vote. that's all.
all my points about hans can be true if he is desperate town. I need to read his tone to find out if he truly is.
In post 593, lucca261 wrote:unnoficial VT because I'm really needing one right now:
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Hans (4): Omega, LUV, Grey, Riley
Grey (2): Fred, Hans
Omega (2): Tea, QT
Spade (1): Matt
LUV (1): PimHel
QT (1): Spade
Tea (1): Lucca
Not Voting (1): BTD
VOTE: Tea
In post 638, Superhans wrote:Grey you offer literally no reasoning why I am being coached.
Lucca will almost certainly have an opinion on your coaching theory. If I was being coached it should be easy alto demonstrate how.
So far you haven't provided any proof.
Question I will ask is: if I am mafia who are my mafia partner?
Who all scumread Lucca d1?In post 744, lucca261 wrote:quite honestly my two townreads right now are QT and LUV.
and that sucks.
Then don't, because it looks stupid if you wait until it's obsolete to speak up.In post 947, Hiraki wrote:I hate self-defending against nothing
Oh, are we going the juvenile route?In post 956, Hiraki wrote:I didn't wait until it's obsolete.
Try ISOing theIn post 959, Umlaut wrote:Grey, I'm reading through Lucca's ISO and I'm really not seeing what you're seeing. His pushes on Hans start early, make sense, don't seem to betray any special knowledge, and he never really softens that read so much as he moves on to another wagon for a while so as to actually be doing something.
If I had to look for something to scumread there I'd say the earliest posts directed at Hans seem like they could be read as coaching and trying to warn Hans off of his scummy behavior, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to suspect him by itself.
Do you care to enlighten us?
YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING IT.In post 973, Hiraki wrote:???????????????
This is your first time speaking about your potential SR of me. I'm not saying that's bad - I'm saying that you're acting like I can't do anything about it unless I please you and I'm not about that game. All I did say was that your argument was illogical toward what I had actually done from my viewpoint.
I don't even understand what this obsolete argument has to do with anything.
Wow. Edit.In post 974, -Grey- wrote:Try ISOing theIn post 959, Umlaut wrote:Grey, I'm reading through Lucca's ISO and I'm really not seeing what you're seeing. His pushes on Hans start early, make sense, don't seem to betray any special knowledge, and he never really softens that read so much as he moves on to another wagon for a while so as to actually be doing something.
If I had to look for something to scumread there I'd say the earliest posts directed at Hans seem like they could be read as coaching and trying to warn Hans off of his scummy behavior, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to suspect him by itself.
Do you care to enlighten us?rightway, by putting both their names in the drop down menu at the search bar at the bottom of the page and reading their ISOs together. Hell, throw mine in there too if you want.
Here's a tip: Hans opens the damned game giving away his partner, and Lucca jumps immediately into suspicion to mitigate the damage. He rides Hans' wagon as distancing until it grows legs, then hops off and chainsaws chilled tea until it's obvious his partner is going down with or without him (he's never seen me with a scumread and underestimated my bloodthirst), then hops on to hammer.
The thing is, throughout the day, you can feel the camaraderie between them. Hans feeling betrayed, then reciprocating the shade. Lucca giving tips on what Hans needs to do to get his vote off him. Their ISOs together are just textbook distancing scum.
Then after the wagon is hammered, there are associatives everywhere between them. Hans is glad it's over and lets his guard down. Lucca's like "hey wait a minute, I still have to live dude..." tone in his responses, but Hans is transparent.
Read my posts.In post 978, Hiraki wrote:Yes -In post 975, -Grey- wrote:YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING IT.Iam the only one interested in figuring out why you have a potential SR onme.
That enough is important for me to ask.
For one thing, people whine when I force them to lynch scum, so I'm keeping my mouth shut.In post 1010, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I've lost all motivation now.
Grey, who's scum? Why aren't you voting Hiraki again? I skimmed earlier and it seemed like you are scum reading his slot.