Open 679: Jungle Oligarchy (Game OVER)

[-Grey-]

also Grey your tunnelling really hurts towns ability to interrogate other players.

Not when it flips scum.

My death tunnels have not flipped town to date.

[-Grey-]

the fear thing was genuine, not sure why you insisted that was so scummy.

I believed it was genuine!

That's why I was certain you were scum.

y wouldn't town be afraid?

The only knowledge you had of me was my scum game in a game you self-hammered AS scum.

I have zero experience with your town game and had no hard read of you being Scum... until you set off that alarm.

[-Grey-]

also i got the sense that until my slip you were less certain of me being scum? no?

No. I was just done demanding it until I found something more to push

[-Grey-]

@Grey want you to know that you catching me was to do with me being retarded, not you being a pro player.

SALTY SCUM HUH

I never claimed to be pro.

I'm still worlds better than you because:

1) that slip was easily explained away after your hammer and you should have said that as your first reaction
2) I would never confess the way you did.
3) You still actually think an argument's accuracy actually means something. Arguments are made to accomplish a purpose. As long as they accomplish that purpose, actual accuracy is irrelevant

[-Grey-]

Actually actually.

Actually.

[-Grey-]

<3 Hans

[-Grey-]

He started it.

[-Grey-]

>:(

Sorry if I got a little zealous.

Your defense was solid and it aggravated the shit out of me that I was having a hard time finding a weakness in that brick wall you were throwing up.

[-Grey-]

He started it.

Don't act like a child.

Yo mama.

[-Grey-]

He started it.

Don't act like a child.

Yo mama.

I see you are original too, congrats.

You have no appreciation of the classics.

Hide your head in shame.

[-Grey-]

That's certainly something to chew on.

[-Grey-]

Lololol

[-Grey-]

Lucca, 846 is the most useless post of all on MS.

Do you get my drift?

[-Grey-]

@mod

: Do mafia inherit the NK if the werewolves are killed out?

[-Grey-]

When does useless = scum?

What makes you think I'm calling Lucca scum?

[-Grey-]

You're definitely not town-reading him.

What makes you think 846 has any bearing whatsoever on my read of Lucca?

[-Grey-]

Oh, what games were we in together, Hiraki?

I've forgotten.

[-Grey-]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding - are you responding to my TR on Lucca or Lucca himself?

I was addressing Lucca.

Hence: Lucca,

[-Grey-]

I KNEW IT!!!! GOOD JOB GREY!!!

---<--@

[-Grey-]

Not even close to a new game.

VOTE: Umlaut

Last werewolf.

[-Grey-]

Tea: he comes into the thread on the situation of 5 votes on hans, 2 on spade, 1 on omega (hans). he instantly townread Hans, and scumreads momo/omega, even using a post of mine to further this:

this is scum hans.

ChaosOmega is probably scum too for his comments on Hans at 317. but different factions.

Yes, although not sure about hans being scum.

He defends and townreads Hans every moment, and his only engagement with Hans is on a post asking Hans to clarify his read on Spade. interestingly, Tea only votes Omega after Hans changes his vote to Grey. he spends the whole rest of D1 spearheading the Omega lynch. even if I'm scumreading him hard and tunneling, he's not concerned with me. he's only concerned that I'm possibly Omega's partner. (here's your tell, Grey)

literally, all his posts are about voting Omega/defending Hans. if Omega is a possible counter-wagon, it's because of tea. Some other interesting posts to look after:

Frankly I find it inconceivable that someone would scum read hans and town read omega.

Yo ct what do you think of the Hans vs. Grey feud?

TVT?

SVT?

SVS?

SVW?

You tell me.

~T

AND I WAS DOING SO GOOD

I think it is T vs T, if someone is scum it is probably grey.
But for that grey would have to be a tremendous scum player.

on Hans ISO, there is only a response about Omega and a null read on CT. no other interactions

basically, FMPOV, it's either Matt or Tea.

it's tea, but, right.

Compelling case. I was conflicted between tea and Hiraki being Hans' partner until

Chilledtea has requested replacement. Will assess impact on deadline later.

Caught scum replaced out because they saw the lynch coming.

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Tea: he comes into the thread on the situation of 5 votes on hans, 2 on spade, 1 on omega (hans). he instantly townread Hans, and scumreads momo/omega, even using a post of mine to further this:

this is scum hans.

ChaosOmega is probably scum too for his comments on Hans at 317. but different factions.

Yes, although not sure about hans being scum.

He defends and townreads Hans every moment, and his only engagement with Hans is on a post asking Hans to clarify his read on Spade. interestingly, Tea only votes Omega after Hans changes his vote to Grey. he spends the whole rest of D1 spearheading the Omega lynch. even if I'm scumreading him hard and tunneling, he's not concerned with me. he's only concerned that I'm possibly Omega's partner. (here's your tell, Grey)

literally, all his posts are about voting Omega/defending Hans. if Omega is a possible counter-wagon, it's because of tea. Some other interesting posts to look after:

Frankly I find it inconceivable that someone would scum read hans and town read omega.

Yo ct what do you think of the Hans vs. Grey feud?

TVT?

SVT?

SVS?

SVW?

You tell me.

~T

AND I WAS DOING SO GOOD

I think it is T vs T, if someone is scum it is probably grey.
But for that grey would have to be a tremendous scum player.

on Hans ISO, there is only a response about Omega and a null read on CT. no other interactions

basically, FMPOV, it's either Matt or Tea.

it's tea, but, right.

Compelling case. I was conflicted between tea and Hiraki being Hans' partner

until

Chilledtea has requested replacement. Will assess impact on deadline later.

Caught scum replaced out because they saw the lynch coming.

Scratch all that, tea hasn't been posting at all since the replace out.

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@grey nice work. I thought hans was town for sure. Meta helped you huh?

Not really.

His irrational fear of me is what cemented my read because his scum game is all I've ever seen.

It didn't make sense to be afraid of me as town.

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Also grey, what arw your thoughts on the mafia hit list? Would mafia be willing ro take the risk of.placing ome of their members in the list?

I wouldn't expect them to on d1, especially with a werewolf lynch.

Although they're kinda opposing scum, they still have to work together until town is thinned out.

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@mod

: Do mafia inherit the NK if the werewolves are killed out?

The wiki page is silent on this topic and the designer is in the game so it's kinda hard to ask. I lean towards going nightless in that case but it's presently undecided...

Does this not decide Mafia's game play? Normally in multiball, scum does genuine scumhunting in the day and kill town at night. But if it goes nightless, then scum cant afford to lose the remaining werewolf.

Which is exactly why I the last werewolf killed today.

[-Grey-]

Mafia was dumb for lynching QT. Even stranger was QT being shot.

I just don't get either of those decisions at all.

[-Grey-]

Mafia was dumb for listing QT. Even stranger was QT being shot.

I just don't get either of those decisions at all.

Edit

[-Grey-]

Do i really have to read 36 pages to get a grip on this or can i just wing it

I'm either town or mafia that busted my ass twisting arms to make a werewolf lynch go through on d1 which is suboptimal scum play for all sorts of reasons.

Pick one.

If I'm town, vote chilled tea for great justice.

[-Grey-]

Do i really have to read 36 pages to get a grip on this or can i just wing it

I'm either town or mafia that busted my ass twisting arms to make a werewolf lynch go through on d1 which is suboptimal scum play for all sorts of reasons.

Pick one.

If I'm town, vote

chilled tea

Umlaut for great justice.

[-Grey-]

HIIII EVERYONE!!! MY NAME IS RILEY CAKE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO PLAYING WITH ALL OF YOU!!!! *hugs everyone*

VOTE: PimHel

YOUR NAME IS ONLY ONE LETTER AWAY FROM THE H E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS WORD!!!!

Hrmm

Is Riley always like this?

Yes.

[-Grey-]

I will strangle you with your own tongue if you try to lynch Riley.

[-Grey-]

#top

[-Grey-]

So far she looks like mafia to me, so she can live for now

Considering pretty much everybody has your slot pegged as mafia, the only one here getting a reprieve is you.

[-Grey-]

?

Y did you write that they are nothing alike. Give me features.

Cruise control
Power windows
Power locks
Heated seats
Satellite radio
GPS

I like you.

Forcing scummy players to do work is pretty good as well.

Lol I forgot about that post.

Thanks for the chuckles.

[-Grey-]

Hans, you are right to be scared of me.

When I decide I want somebody dead, I can drive the shit out of a wagon.

You just haven't gotten me there. Yet.

He can't say I warn him!

[-Grey-]

Hans, you are right to be scared of me.

When I decide I want somebody dead, I can drive the shit out of a wagon.

You just haven't gotten me there. Yet.

He can't say I didn't warn him!

Sigh, stupid touch keyboard.

[-Grey-]

If you wanted to rebut my case, you could try finding Hans' buddy if it isn't you.

[-Grey-]

Coming from mafia that doesn't want to lose their night kill, that means a whole lot.

[-Grey-]

Infinity shades Spade_Ace?

Spade must be town, then.

[-Grey-]

*yawn*

[-Grey-]

Don't bother cluttering the thread with rehashing early d1 shit please.

Make notes on paper or something to refer back to when you're caught up to relevant events.

You think you're doing something, but you're really not. As far as I'm concerned, the only question to answer today is whether we lynch Umlaut or Hiraki.

Everything else is just noise that's going to piss me off.

Nailing the werewolf today buys us tons of time, so that's where every single one of us should be focused today.

[-Grey-]

I use these old timey gadgets called notebooks (the ones that are a collection of bound paper, not the electric ones) to write down post numbers and thoughts.

Then when I'm ready to post, they're there to refer to.

[-Grey-]

@MOD
Can we have 24 hours so that Hiraki can catch up?

Pimel made literally 2 posts

I think Hans may have given away his partner right here the same way he gave himself away later on.

He's particularly attuned to the needs of PimHel's replacement, asking for an additional day for him to catch up.

That looks to me like he was looking out for a buddy.

[-Grey-]

Guess what.

VOTE: Kop

Found it.

When you guys find it, I'll be waiting on the wagon.

[-Grey-]

Pedit: Grey, that's an interesting argument but it seems a bit too blatant even for a poor player.

You should really read the end of d1 again.

It's Hans' speed.

I just found something more compelling.

[-Grey-]

Wait what happened

I just performed magic the second day in a row.

[-Grey-]

[-Grey-]

And Lucca

6 pages.

Hey guys, whats shaking?

Hey Hans. I'm thinking you are scum. Talk to me.

@Lucca

Obviously im happy to talk to you. Thats why i added my "and Lucca " to my introduction.

However would prefer it if you kicked things off by expanding upon your points. i get that you need to wait until you're on a computer.

meh. re read Hans and he"s null. what did you think of my entrance?
the problem is that my gut still says you're scum.

what read do you want an explanation, hans?
happy to play with you again

god this game. painful

@space, 141, what's your read on the whole LUV-Riley situation?

@LUV, 144, he had, like, three posts with content. not sure why you're defending Spade here.

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somebody engage with me, reading all these pages made me brainless.

VOTE: Superhans

fine place to put a vote.

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grey is still town.
BTD is prob town.

hey matt, you go after Grey, you got a problem with me. so explain your vote.
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I had accidentaly posted this in another game. It's not updated now, but still works.

Scum leaning Lucca.

He's tunneling me (calls me scum in his first post early RVS and hasn't shifted since. He says that because of his understanding of my meta this is a "scum" Superhans.
@Lucca if you want to play this card you need to actually explain it.

Y is Lucca town reading BTD?
Where does this come from?

379, @hans, here is what I don't like about him. look at this statement. is scummy in nature and he has no regard throwing it out there. so scum would have zero advantage in stating that. this is a constant theme on Hans ISO. sometimes I think he's throwing this stuff on purpose. and I don't like it.

382, @hans, not tunneling you. stating this is a blatant misrep of my play, but whatevs. explained on my other catchup why I'm townreading BTD. are you only asking that because someone else asked it too or are you really concerned about it?

hey LUV. what do you think of my theory as to why hans is doing that?

399, @quick, on other games I've read from you, especially LQ, you seem more active and connected to the game? any reason as to why you seem so distant this game?

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401, @hans, do a legitimate case on momo, and I'll unvote you.

hey tea guy, what's your concern with riley?

strangely, while I disagree with almost everything matt has thrown, I'd say his catchup earned town points with me. I just can't see how you can townread QT. I even can see Hans. QT is just popping in, asking random questions, and not following up on them. will answer matt read on me on another post.

Lucca -

somebody engage with me, reading all these pages made me brainless.

Sure I'll engage with you. How do you get a town read on BTD6 after only one post, and that one post was him saying that he doesn't think Riley is annoying?(LT asked this too but Im also curious) Also why are you so aggressive this game? Especially towards Hans. You were chill in the mininormal I played with you, and didn't have this amount of confidience. It's really off-putting.

Also about your townread of Grey. He's abrasive, and puts himself out there as scum too. And I'm not sure what you mean exactly about his egotrip. Can you point me to some stuff that makes Grey town to you.

Last thing about Hans. You've played with him before when you were both scum. How was he in that game? This game he seems like an open book, and is just stream of conscious posting. Feels to me like he posts anything that comes to mind which may be why he is flopping all over the place with his reads. Did he play like this as scum? I'm used to seeing newer players play more reserved as scum. You said that Grey is putting himself out there, but isn't Hans doing the same thing?

the question about BTD I think I answered.

I'm naturally a more agressive player as both alignments. but in that game, I was a PR. I was trying to float under the radar, on my own unique way. The confidence part will sound arrogant as fuck, but I realized that it turned out I'm actually good at this little game.

I liked Grey engagement with both Hans and Riley. 93 and 80 is what I was talking about his egotrip. I don't know. More of a gut read on these posts, but I've read them as town.

on my game with hans, I'd say his defenses were close to what they are now. in that game he had weirdly more confidence to go after players who were widely townread such as Magna or Doomfeathers. thing he's not doing here with Grey.

viewtopic.php?p=8722471&user_select%5B% ... 2#p8722471

here's his ISO on that game. interesting read.

@Lucca what would you describe as

your

scum meta during the nightless game we played together?

QT, would like your input based on Open 669. have you read that game?

BTD seems to be late on his input. I think it's quite funny, actually. not scummy, though.

go to bed hans dammit.

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can somebody tunnel me so I can get out of Hans vs Grey death match?

I'm saying I don't like Tea vote. that's all.

all my points about hans can be true if he is desperate town. I need to read his tone to find out if he truly is.

unnoficial VT because I'm really needing one right now:

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Hans (4): Omega, LUV, Grey, Riley
Grey (2): Fred, Hans
Omega (2): Tea, QT
Spade (1): Matt
LUV (1): PimHel
QT (1): Spade
Tea (1): Lucca
Not Voting (1): BTD

VOTE: Tea

Grey you offer literally no reasoning why I am being coached.
Lucca will almost certainly have an opinion on your coaching theory. If I was being coached it should be easy alto demonstrate how.

So far you haven't provided any proof.

Question I will ask is: if I am mafia who are my mafia partner?

quite honestly my two townreads right now are QT and LUV.

and that sucks.

Who all scumread Lucca d1?

[-Grey-]

Oops. Anywho. Uhhhhhj, yeah.

[-Grey-]

#top

[-Grey-]

I hate self-defending against nothing

Then don't, because it looks stupid if you wait until it's obsolete to speak up.

[-Grey-]

Or, y'all could just sheep the werewolf killer to glory.

[-Grey-]

I didn't wait until it's obsolete.

Oh, are we going the juvenile route?

Okay, allow me to reciprocate.

YES HUH!

[-Grey-]

Grey, I'm reading through Lucca's ISO and I'm really not seeing what you're seeing. His pushes on Hans start early, make sense, don't seem to betray any special knowledge, and he never really softens that read so much as he moves on to another wagon for a while so as to actually be doing something.

If I had to look for something to scumread there I'd say the earliest posts directed at Hans seem like they could be read as coaching and trying to warn Hans off of his scummy behavior, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to suspect him by itself.

Do you care to enlighten us?

Try ISOing the

right

way, by putting both their names in the drop down mental at the search girl at the bottom of the page and reading their ISOs together. Hell, throw mine in there too if you want.

Here's a tip: Hans opens the damned game giving away his partner, and Lucca jumps immediately into suspicion to mitigate the damage. He rides Hans' wagon as distancing until it grows legs, then hops off and chainsaws chilled tea until it's obvious his partner is going down with or without him (he's never seen me with a scumread and underestimated my bloodthirst), then hops on to hammer.

The thing is, throughout the day, you can feel the camaraderie between them. Hans feeling betrayed, then reciprocating the shade. Lucca giving tips on what Hans needs to do to get his vote off him. Their ISOs together are just textbook distancing scum.

Then after the wagon is hammered, there are associatives everywhere between them. Hans is glad it's over and lets his guard down. Lucca's like "hey wait a minute, I still have to live dude..." tone in his responses, but Hans is transparent.

[-Grey-]

???????????????

This is your first time speaking about your potential SR of me. I'm not saying that's bad - I'm saying that you're acting like I can't do anything about it unless I please you and I'm not about that game. All I did say was that your argument was illogical toward what I had actually done from my viewpoint.

I don't even understand what this obsolete argument has to do with anything.

YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING IT.

KEEP THIS DUMB SHIT UP AND I WILL EAT YOUR HEART TONIGHT.

[-Grey-]

Grey, I'm reading through Lucca's ISO and I'm really not seeing what you're seeing. His pushes on Hans start early, make sense, don't seem to betray any special knowledge, and he never really softens that read so much as he moves on to another wagon for a while so as to actually be doing something.

If I had to look for something to scumread there I'd say the earliest posts directed at Hans seem like they could be read as coaching and trying to warn Hans off of his scummy behavior, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to suspect him by itself.

Do you care to enlighten us?

Try ISOing the

right

way, by putting both their names in the drop down menu at the search bar at the bottom of the page and reading their ISOs together. Hell, throw mine in there too if you want.

Here's a tip: Hans opens the damned game giving away his partner, and Lucca jumps immediately into suspicion to mitigate the damage. He rides Hans' wagon as distancing until it grows legs, then hops off and chainsaws chilled tea until it's obvious his partner is going down with or without him (he's never seen me with a scumread and underestimated my bloodthirst), then hops on to hammer.

The thing is, throughout the day, you can feel the camaraderie between them. Hans feeling betrayed, then reciprocating the shade. Lucca giving tips on what Hans needs to do to get his vote off him. Their ISOs together are just textbook distancing scum.

Then after the wagon is hammered, there are associatives everywhere between them. Hans is glad it's over and lets his guard down. Lucca's like "hey wait a minute, I still have to live dude..." tone in his responses, but Hans is transparent.

Wow. Edit.

[-Grey-]

YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING IT.

Yes -

I

am the only one interested in figuring out why you have a potential SR on

me

.

That enough is important for me to ask.

Read my posts.

As I've said multiple times, you're asking about obsolete shit.

Keep up this garbage with one more fucking post and I WILL scumread you.

[-Grey-]

Reading the fucking GAME would have told you I moved on.

Fuck it, you're mafia. After I'm done killing this werewolf, you can die next.

[-Grey-]

I've lost all motivation now.

Grey, who's scum? Why aren't you voting Hiraki again? I skimmed earlier and it seemed like you are scum reading his slot.

For one thing, people whine when I force them to lynch scum, so I'm keeping my mouth shut.

For another, I've kinda lost motivation due to that shitty attitude. How fucked up is it that town wants to bitch when a d1 lynch they had to be sledgehammered into voting flips red?

Ungrateful bastards.

So they can find scum on their own. I'm done leading the horses to water and drowning them.

[-Grey-]

Lol Amished tell.

[-Grey-]

A town POV should never claim scum in any given situation

I claim Scum in the majority of my town games.

That's just lol.

[-Grey-]

I'll vote Hiraki over Spade every day of the week.

Kop is still a better lynch for Hans' partner though. He says so himself.

[-Grey-]

You can't be right all the time, but anything to boost your ego.

I never claimed to be right all the time

I also never claimed to tell the truth all the time.

VOTE: Hiraki

[-Grey-]

You can't be right all the time, but anything to boost your ego.

I never claimed to be right all the time

I also never claimed to tell the truth all the time.

VOTE: Hiraki

You didn't have to, you implied it in that manner.

Did I also imply contempt?

Because u was really trying to imply contempt.

[-Grey-]

You can't be right all the time, but anything to boost your ego.

I never claimed to be right all the time

I also never claimed to tell the truth all the time.

VOTE: Hiraki

You didn't have to, you implied it in that manner.

Did I also imply contempt?

Because I was really trying to imply contempt.

EBWOP

[-Grey-]

But, I think the chances of mafia being in the hit list is low, though probable.

Chances can't be both low and probable.

[-Grey-]

But, I think the chances of mafia being in the hit list is low, though probable.

Chances can't be both low and probable.

As in low probability?? Am i wrong? Sorry, English isn't my first language.

I think you meant low,

but possible

.

[-Grey-]

Hiraki wagon is best wagon.

Of course, I'm only saying this so my post technically has content in it.

[-Grey-]

Grey was breathing down QT's neck by the end of D1.

I had no interest in so much as attempting to sort QT today, so idk where you get that thought.

I have had two people in my sights since the ww flip, and neither of them were QT.

[-Grey-]

Okay! D1 lynchlisters are probably all not Mafia explicitly. QT died, and I am town, leaving Lucca as an unknown. I'd have to read them to see if they seem like a partner for Hans, but it seems like it's unlikely mathematically.

Not really.

Mafia listing their likeliest suspect for ww to give them towncred is a valid strategy because they know the ww isn't going to very well shoot themselves.

[-Grey-]

{Grey, Hans}

{LUV}

{chilled, matt}

{BTD6, Pim}

{Riley, Spade}

{Chaos, Lucca}

{Frederick}

QT was scumreading Lucca...

UNVOTE:

other head doesn't want our vote here.

we both moderately agree on this.

VOTE: lucca

let's see what it brings.

~T

QT was voting Lucca prior to his hammer.

you just made the list.

Lucca repeating this and posting the video to emphasize it could very well be ww asking Mafia for a favor.

VOTE: Kop

[-Grey-]

*engage deathtunnel*

[-Grey-]

Kop and Aristo are more likely to be Werewolf at this stage than anyone else, due to being on the list.

I'd lynch you without bothering to read your slot's ISO before I'd consider voting Aristo.

[-Grey-]

I think lucca slot is town

There is no rational basis for that statement.

The werewolves are a two man team. They can't afford to lose a member.

Lucca spent d1 distancing from Hans, but jumped off the wagon when it got wheels. That's classic scumbuddy behavior.

As the lynch progressed, he cast shade on the wagon to attempt to derail it without tying himself explicitly to either of the players in the 1v1.

His revote of Hans after the slip was a survivalistic move because he knew Hans had screwed the pooch.

After the Hans lynch, he asked for the one person that suspected him to be put on the list.

Dude is a wolf. End of story.

[-Grey-]

Why is ari town?

Ask again tomorrow.

I'm lynching Kop today.

[-Grey-]

I don't really care what you believe, Infinity.

Lucca is dying today and I'll make my d1 look downright fucking meek in comparison to make that happen if people want to give me friction over it.

[-Grey-]

Kop*

[-Grey-]

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

Well, I don't believe you.

If you are, you should probably give a detailed reads list on everybody. Reasons would be awesome, too.

[-Grey-]

K, I'm fine with this being hammered.

[-Grey-]

I don't get the feeling that he's town, because I just don't see that flipping town.

[-Grey-]

BTD/Ari reasoning is trash, too.

Hiraki, I didn't like how he handled the debate between himself and Infinity.

What exactly didn't you like, and how does it signify alignment?

[-Grey-]

Well, he couldn't answer to infinity or chose not to, and claimed scum because he said what else could he do. (Yes this may not be AI, but surely there are other ways to handle it without resorting to that).

So you're basically saying Hiraki is a policy lynch.

While I'm certainly down for lynching Hiraki if you flip town (or Mafia, for that matter), it's not on policy. It's because I firmly believe that one of you two are Hans' partner.

Your reads are not compelling to me, but they are noted.

[-Grey-]

I just don't buy the whole "lol I was gonna vote my own slot lol" act, because you are told when you replace into the game who you are replacing.

If your motivation is lacking sure to RL, I highly recommend sidelining the game and focusing on squaring away RL. Bringing RL into the game is not going to affect my read on your slot.

[-Grey-]

Riley was very scummy

Wrong answer.

You'll eat rope long before Riley slot.

[-Grey-]

If Kop flips mafia instead of ww, I'm going to be quite interested in Infinity.

[-Grey-]

The long break before getting to start this game combined with being on the lynch list ensured that I didn't waste my time reading back, having a 1 in 3 chance of dying, led me to a lack of caring for the game.

That's sad and all, but that excuse flew out the window when the day started with you still being alive.

We need you to be in the game if you're going to be in the game

If not, replace out.

[-Grey-]

So here's the first in a series of posts about associatives between Hans and various suspects, and let me tell you, it's not impressive at all.

At least you're honest.

[-Grey-]

Riley was my strongest d1 townread, so you can just STFU about that slot.

It's a bitch move to bag on somebody simply because you don't like their playstyle.

Any efforts at lynching that slot better be based on AJ, because I'll slam any posts bitching about Riley right down the player's throat because it's a weak shit tactic to try to paint playstyle as scummy.

[-Grey-]

And I'm saying I know better.

Her shtick gets under people's skin. Duh. Bit it's stupid to lynch somebody simply because you don't like the way they play.

There is plenty of content in Riley's posts for anyone than wants to actually pull their head out of their ass and read it.

[-Grey-]

Just did a quick skim in Kop and Lucca's Isosceles and could easily see scum there. Happy to hammer when the time is right.

It's been two pages with nothing of note happening since he was placed at L-1.

Hammer away.

[-Grey-]

Will, Aristo is pretty much confirmed town now.

[-Grey-]

Will, Aristo is pretty much confirmed town now.

Why?

VOTE: spade

He's been in both lists.

I don't see him being a wolf, and mafia wouldn't be keeping themselves listed to be killed.

[-Grey-]

Will, Aristo is pretty much confirmed town now.

Why?

VOTE: spade

What advantage would a WW!me have by killing AJ.

The ability to ask a WIFOM question.

[-Grey-]

I still think he could be a wolf, but we'll get to that if spade or hiraki isn't I guess.

Right now we lynch spade.

Do you really think both wolves came under major fire d1?

[-Grey-]

You don't draw Scum much, do you?

[-Grey-]

If Spade is scum, he's probably mafia.

I feel better about Hiraki as a Hans partner.

Although... it wouldn't be terrible to hit mafia today to bring their numbers down, either.

VOTE: Spade

[-Grey-]

That's you.

I'm tired of making cards just for people to shit all over them and having to scream my way to a scum lynch. Make up your own damned mind.

[-Grey-]

That's you.

I'm tired of making cases* just for people to shit all over them and having to scream my way to a scum lynch. Make up your own damned mind.

[-Grey-]

I was hoping Grey had this game on lock but Kop flipped town.

That's bullshit. I said yesterday that I wasn't 100% on Kop.

[-Grey-]

Will, Aristo is pretty much confirmed town now.

Why?

VOTE: spade

What advantage would a WW!me have by killing AJ.

The ability to ask a WIFOM question.

Point taken.
But being the only member left in a faction, do you think i would kill someone who wasnt actively suspecting me?

I do that all the time as scum, because killing someone that suspects me draws heat.

[-Grey-]

I'm down for roping NM for that hammer alone.

[-Grey-]

No, fuck that shit.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[-Grey-]

As far as I know Spade Ace is lynched.

Could it be that Not Mafia quickhammered on purpose? If so, Not Mafia is probably Mafia and not Wolf as the last Wolf would probably be unlikely to risk their life by quickhammering like that whereas there are 3 Mafia left and they need fewer mislynches now to win.

NM is pretty much confirmed Scum to me, and I'm going to be screaming for his head tomorrow until town gives it to me to shut me up if it's already too late to lynch him today.

[-Grey-]

Will, Aristo is pretty much confirmed town now.

Why?

VOTE: spade

If Spade is scum, he's probably mafia.

I feel better about Hiraki as a Hans partner.

Although... it wouldn't be terrible to hit mafia today to bring their numbers down, either.

VOTE: Spade

vote: spade

Phoneposting

At this moment I am willing to go with my weak-moderate wolf read on Spade Ace (my strongest wolf read). I mostly agree with Umlaut's case.

You mentioned that you cannot defend yourself about what Hans said, but that is not actually a point against Umlaut's case. It is certainly plausible that if A and B are scum, A is lynched and the associatives with B are visible. In this case, B looks scummy because of what A said.

VOTE: Spade Ace

VOTE: Spade Ace

That's a lynch, alright.

[-Grey-]

My "to lynch" list:

Not_Mafia
Hiraki
LUV (mercy killing, useless & scum won't NK him)

Pretty much in that order.

[-Grey-]

(in b4 mafia submits that list verbatim for the night kill)

[-Grey-]

So... werewolf seems to have flaked from the game, if I had to guess.

What if... we powerlynch Not_Mafia before the missing werewolf reaches prod range and hopefully get a second night without a night kill?

He's all I'm interested in lynching today whether we take two days or fourteen to get the votes on him, anyway. We might as well do it quick to preserve town lives.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[-Grey-]

That's bullshit, Infinity.

When he flips mafia, I'm coming for your scalp next.

[-Grey-]

He literally quickhammered all the time as both alignments

Show me one post he's made that had not been a quick-hammer.

[-Grey-]

He literally quickhammered all the time as both alignments

Show me one post he's made that has not been a quick-hammer.

EBWOP

[-Grey-]

Make whatever excuses you want for his play.

He's scum and he's dying.

[-Grey-]

I'm not making excuses, I think it's shitty play, but you're arrogant as fuck if you think that something is alignment indicative for a player when someone who knows his meta is telling you it's not.

And I his meta and I say it is and you're Scum for protecting him

[-Grey-]

I'm not making excuses, I think it's shitty play, but you're arrogant as fuck if you think that something is alignment indicative for a player when someone who knows his meta is telling you it's not.

And I know his meta and I say it is and you're Scum for protecting him

[-Grey-]

Hey ari! Do you think you can give some content sometime soon?

It won't be long now! I swear!

And Grey, Infinity is correct. A quickhammer or two are absolutely NAI for NM. It makes them hard to read, but it doesn't make them scum.

Sure it does.

Also, if NM is going to play like scum, I'm going to treat him like Scum.

There is no town motivation whatsoever in only posting to quick-hammer wagons, and no excuses acceptable for defending it.

[-Grey-]

@Grey

I still want you to explain the wolfread on Hiraki.

I don't give a fuck what you want.

[-Grey-]

Considering I want NM's head on a stick today, your whining about me needing to explain my Hiraki read if I want people to buy it is a steaming pile of shit.

[-Grey-]

will he make ur list next????????????????????????

Do you consider stupidity a scumtell?

[-Grey-]

Just a thought, but do you think the Mafia have me on the list because they think I'm town, WW, or for Wine reasons?

BTD, what do you mean by "based on the posting" for me seemingly being WW?

If mafia were ww reading you, I don't think they'd be listing you because your continued existence is necessary for mafia to thin out town and highlighting the fact you aren't getting killed over and over again is bad Scum play.

[-Grey-]

Also, I'm pretty damned sure there would have been a kill last night if Ari was ww.

The Wolf is flaked.

[-Grey-]

That's all wine, but you're right.

90% of Maia is figuring out which glass has the poison.

[-Grey-]

That's all wine, but you're right.

90% of Mafia is figuring out which glass has the poison.

EBWOP

[-Grey-]

Out of the three players that have filled the NM slot, there has only been one post that looks anything CLOSE to scum hunting, and that was the last post by the original slot holder.

I'm not moving my vote.

[-Grey-]

NM is possible Mafia but I don't think scum would want to risk a perfect win when N3 rolled around.

Use your head. What does Scum get out of listing an easy mislynch target if he's town? Nothing.

Why would the werewolf kill a player whose only posts have been quick-hammers on town? They wouldn't.

[-Grey-]

NM is Mafia.

Idk what crack Infinity is smoking, but he's bending over backwards to protect scum.

[-Grey-]

You have shown absolutely no rational foundation for believing NM is Werewolf over mafia and you look like you're protecting a teammate.

That's why he's mafia over werewolf.

There is no scenario where lynching NM is bad for town, but you're busting your ass to protect him and attempt to throw shade on me since I am demanding his head.

Why am I not listed? Really? What kind of fucking question is that? How can town possibly know the fucking answer to that?

You can both fucking swing, but NM first.

[-Grey-]

I don't think n_m's slot has done almost anything AI, and I only have him as scum based on PoE, so I'm not really comfortable lynching him yet.

Oh but it has.

Three different players. One single post that could ARGUABLY be considered scumhunting.

The slot is Scum. Period.

[-Grey-]

I find it very odd that you don't find it odd that as a universal townread you didn't appear on the kill list a single time.

Nothing odd about it.

Considering I've been wolf hunting, the Mafia has had no reason to be concerned about listing me.

Your obvious attempts to shade me and protect your buddy NM have not gone unnoticed.

[-Grey-]

No content isn't AI

22 posts isn't "no content".

Make more excuses for him.

[-Grey-]

No content isn't AI

22 posts isn't "no content".

Make more excuses for him.

I looked over them, there's some game relevant stuff there. Not a lot, mind you, but some.

Just because there are a handful of fluff posts in there doesn't mean anything.

Literally everything I say you call an excuse. Maybe (*gasp*) people have valid points that disagree with yours? Nah, that wouldn't help your agenda.

Shade me all you want. The more you defend your buddy NM, the more you dig your own grave when he's lynched.

[-Grey-]

Grey, that is an impressive Iso you have!

Can you explain how you went from Locks cum on Momo to Maybe scum maybe bad town on CO to not mentioning Infinity at all unless he addressed you, in which case you immediately call him scum, but not a priority?

It just seems a weird read progression for the slot.

Idk if I can explain it or not. Never bothered trying.

My reads always bounce around. Review, like, ANY of my town games to confirm.

Just one of those nasty drawbacks to not having the answers, I guess.

[-Grey-]

Grey and Infinity I think are of the same alignment, so either both town or both mafia. I'm leaning towards the former.

Once NM flips mafia, can I rely on you to help me bus Infinity?

[-Grey-]

Grey and Infinity I think are of the same alignment, so either both town or both mafia. I'm leaning towards the former.

Once NM flips mafia, can I rely on you to help me bus Infinity?

Hahaha sure!
Unless he asks me to bus you in a more persuasive way!
Like with cookies

Nah, I'll have enough towncred on an NM flip to sell my Infinity bus.

[-Grey-]

You know, an actual InfinityBus would be useless because it wouldn't be able to move without hitting itself. You'd just have to walk inside it to wherever you wanted to go, making it obsolete.

Not necessarily true.

If the infinity bus was always moving, it would never be in the way because it would be reoccupying the space it just vacated.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Kop

VOTE: Spade Ace

This is NM's whole Iso?

I thought you guys were exaggerating...

Ta-da!

[-Grey-]

LUV could easily be last werewoof.

That's so bad it makes me cry.

Go back and reread d1 until you understand why.

[-Grey-]

... so bad.

[-Grey-]

... so bad.

You suck, Grey!

Why would Hans' partner bus him so hard on d1 when there is only the two of them?

[-Grey-]

Votecount

1.3

Superhans (5) : lucca261, ChaosOmega, Lil Uzi Vert, -Grey-, Riley Cake

Votecount

1.4

Superhans (4) : ChaosOmega, Lil Uzi Vert, -Grey-, Riley Cake

Votecount

1.5

Superhans (4) : ChaosOmega, Lil Uzi Vert, -Grey-, Riley Cake

Votecount

1.5

Superhans (7) : ChaosOmega, Lil Uzi Vert, Riley Cake, -Grey-, BTD6_maker, Quick Transcendence, lucca261 (Lynch)

Uzi is not Hans' partner. There was plenty of room for him to justifiably leave the wagon on Hans d1 but he stuck it out.

If you want to scumread him, it has to be as mafia.

[-Grey-]

... so bad.

You suck, Grey!

Why would Hans' partner bus him so hard on d1 when there is only the two of them?

It really didn't look like that hard a bus to me tho...

Yeah well, you miss a lot of shit when you decide to be lazy and not read.

[-Grey-]

Yeah this is normal for him and I wouldn't be surprised if we all agreed to just policy lynch him here but I think he is more aggressive as scum.

No he's not.

[-Grey-]

So, you can die.

This is your Scum play through and through. Mirror fucking image of Greater Idea.

[-Grey-]

Still have no idea why we're letting hiraki live and that n_m vote makes me kinda worried tbh

It only makes you worried because you're his buddy that's been bending over backwards to protect him all day today.

[-Grey-]

I don't remember Greater Idea

Yeah, it's really easy to forget games you don't do jack shit in.

[-Grey-]

Any objections to shortening night phases to 24 hours?

Nope, and this is a town-sided question considering only WW has a night action.

If anyone objects, guess who we'll lynch.

[-Grey-]

Grey, if n_m flips town, will you agree to be lynched?

Sure. Hammer away.

[-Grey-]

So guys, lynch grey if n_m flips town? Lynching hiraki is also acceptable.

Considering Hiraki is both pushing the NM lynch AND agreeing that I'm tomorrow's lynch if NM flips town, I'm down for a Hiraki lynch tomorrow regardless of NM's flip

[-Grey-]

So guys, lynch grey if n_m flips town? Lynching hiraki is also acceptable.

Considering Hiraki is both pushing the NM lynch AND agreeing that I'm tomorrow's lynch if NM flips town, I'm down for a Hiraki lynch tomorrow regardless of NM's flip

Why wait?

A Scum in the hand...

[-Grey-]

Any objections to shortening night phases to 24 hours?

Nope, and this is a town-sided question considering only WW has a night action.

If anyone objects, guess who we'll lynch.

Why would you tip your hand like this?

Why would you shade me like this?

Mafia has day talk, so I'll give you three guesses where I'd have complained if I was Mafia, and I fucking dare you to try and call me a wolf.

[-Grey-]

Lol

[-Grey-]

Mafia has day talk, so I'll give you three guesses where I'd have complained if I was Mafia, and I fucking dare you to try and call me a wolf.

Why is wolf less plausible than Mafia?

Right Umlaut.

I hard bussed my partner d1 when there was only two of us in the group and pushed through when EVERYBODY IN THE GAME WAS SCREAMING AT ME TO STOP.

That totally makes sense.

[-Grey-]

Nobody can deny that I'm the ONLY reason Hans was lynched.

It was done for the sole purpose of shutting me up.

[-Grey-]

He was basically the reason hans was lynched, and that's why mafia would've been scared of you if you were town.

Not if my reads are off.

If my reads are wrong, I'm Mafia MVP because I've shown that I'm able to scream through a lynch when nobody else wants it.

[-Grey-]

I love how grey keeps coming up with different responses to the question of why he wasn't kill listed. First he couldn't possibly have any idea. Then it's because he was wolf hunting. Then it's because his reads were wrong.

Precisely.

If I KNEW why, then why would my answer change, dipshït?

[-Grey-]

^ This is someone that is invested in lynching me, not sorting me.

[-Grey-]

If the werewolf wants to give us another lynch (because they flaked or otherwise), we should let them.

Look at this shit.

If he was honestly scumreading me, why would he be parroting my logic?

Infinity and NM are mafia.

[-Grey-]

So... werewolf seems to have flaked from the game, if I had to guess.

What if... we powerlynch Not_Mafia before the missing werewolf reaches prod range and hopefully get a second night without a night kill?

Keep on duck walking.

[-Grey-]

This should be entertaining.

[-Grey-]

Oh I'm hammered?

Awesome, one less game to track.

VT, keep on keeping on.

[-Grey-]

Good job lynching the only player in the game that has been responsible for killing Scum.

This right here is exactly why I stopped giving a shit.

[-Grey-]

Sorry Grey <3

Also, 2 scum factions, so thats not a totally valid argument.

When you manage to lynch scum, THEN you can talk to me about valid arguments.

[-Grey-]

Dumbasses deserved this loss after not lynching NM.

Fuck all y'all.