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This bothers me too, that came literally out of nowhere.In post 41, Tails wrote:I want to know where Hellfire was getting PT from. I feel this is being largely ignored and might be important.-
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Did you ever explain why?In post 72, Almost50 wrote:Two 100% Scums here (opposite factions though). Not
fault if Town fails to build on it after I get lynched.MY
I'll say it again: One of Tails/NotTheRealPaul is a WW, the other is Mafia. 100% (hint to Town Seer)-
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Ping!In post 83, NotTheRealPaul wrote:I didnt like your bit with HM. Seemed quite obvious to me what he was confused about. You seemed to be paying attention to it to much.-
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Looks like a townpost.In post 94, Almost50 wrote:
They jumped on the largest wagon (my wagon) when I tried to move the game forward and asked players to actually play the game.In post 90, Wisdom wrote:
Idk, what have the other two you said are scum done?In post 79, Almost50 wrote:
I don't have a read on you yet. I mean, you are scummy by nature, I grant you that, but what exactly have you done in this game to merit a confident SR??In post 77, Wisdom wrote:Why not me, almost?
The Day is only 7 days long, so it serves Scum more to keep the game stagnant and then get a deadline wagon going that will actually shock the Town because it seems many a player didn't even notice we had a shortened Day phase.
Up until (and including) yours, the votes on me were mere RVS votes. Their votes (both of them) they claim are serious votes, so those are the votes to actually analyze.-
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No
Hmmmm ok maybeIn post 105, Generation X wrote:93 doesn't make any sense with what was said in 92-
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This is actually a fairly good post and lines up with my belief that A50 is not a WW.In post 106, Tails wrote:In post 102, TheBrie wrote:I can't see anything that indicates A50 was thinking more of one scum group than the other, so I'd like to hear about that.
Without getting into the immediate problems here (questioning vs. exclaiming, scumhunting vs freakout), there is a slight lean towards finding werewolves. Town's really not going to care at this point, or really come to this sort of conclusion. Almost is trying to make it look like he's hunting for both factions, but with his request of the seer, it's pretty obvious he's mainly concerned about the one. Wolves are not going to think about doing this, and town is really not going to care one over the other at this point in the game, given as they want both dead and flips to work with.In post 72, Almost50 wrote: Two 100% Scums here (opposite factions though). Notfault if Town fails to build on it after I get lynched.MY
I'll say it again: One of Tails/NotTheRealPaul is a WW, the other is Mafia. 100% (hint to Town Seer)
And him panicking here didn't set off any alarms?In post 102, TheBrie wrote:I can say from my limited experience with A50 that he's a fairly calm player who doesn't panic when found out as scum. But that's one game, so it's likely not worth much.-
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He does have a point about the lack of a Cop as well as WW being the stronger faction.In post 115, Almost50 wrote:
Well, considering there is NO COP in this game, who else would you have me ask for their attention??In post 106, Tails wrote:In post 102, TheBrie wrote:I can't see anything that indicates A50 was thinking more of one scum group than the other, so I'd like to hear about that.
Without getting into the immediate problems here (questioning vs. exclaiming, scumhunting vs freakout), there is a slight lean towards finding werewolves. Town's really not going to care at this point, or really come to this sort of conclusion. Almost is trying to make it look like he's hunting for both factions, but with his request of the seer, it's pretty obvious he's mainly concerned about the one. Wolves are not going to think about doing this, and town is really not going to care one over the other at this point in the game, given as they want both dead and flips to work with.In post 72, Almost50 wrote: Two 100% Scums here (opposite factions though). Notfault if Town fails to build on it after I get lynched.MY
I'll say it again: One of Tails/NotTheRealPaul is a WW, the other is Mafia. 100% (hint to Town Seer)
We only have ONE investigative, and I'm narrowing down their pool for the first investigation. Now if we lynch one of you and they flip WOLF then the other is Mafia and no need for the Seer to check them.
Also, Town DOES in fact care. The Werewolves are the faction with the NK. Unless we can direct them to kill the Mafia (which we can't, both because we don't know who the Mafia are AND because you can't leash a Werewolf) then we aim to stop the NKs and take control of all the killings (which can only be though lynches at that point).
This is fact makes me lean WW on YOU, because you're worried I'm hunting specifically for YOUR faction, which in turn makes YOU hunting for MAFIA rather than WWs.
This feels like town as well though it's just a gut feeling.In post 116, Almost50 wrote:Guys; let's lynch Tails. If this doesn't flip a WEREWOLF I get speed lynched on D2. Any takers?-
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Ok explain where you're getting your scumclaims from.
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Self-reminder at this point to look back at who got lynched and how they flipped.In post 125, Titus wrote:VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
Random completely out of context sheep.
A50 guarantees ww lynch.
Dunker knows he can get two back to back lynches if A50 wrong. If A50 correct, zero accountability sheep. No questioning either. I like this vote and will follow.-
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Good case.In post 141, Tails wrote:
Brie was trying awfully hard to distance from Almost when everything she claims to know about him as a player should be causing her to vote him. She outright stated that Almost was not playing like he does as town, yet she refused to vote him. She then continues to be noncommittal while avoiding the wagon. Also look at her fencesit on me. She's actively avoiding controversial wagons.In post 139, Titus wrote: Why Brie over dunker?-
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Not sure if scum being blatantly obvious or town pulling a joke.In post 215, Vedith wrote:Don't let anyone buddy you!
You're obvious town, buddy and people will take advantage of that unlike me, buddy!
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TownIn post 222, Almost50 wrote:@Titus: I don't care much about how I'm being judged at the moment. All I want is to flip Tails and have repeatedly said that I'm willing to pay the price if he flips Town. My problem is when I'm right I often get NK'd and then nobody looks back at anything I said, which is my biggest fear right now. Tails is SCUM, Genration X & NotTheRealPaul are likely Scum.-
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Vedith should have voted someone by this point, surely there was enough to go off of.In post 226, CommKnight wrote:-
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More townIn post 233, Titus wrote:
No. I think you v tails is a waste of time and noise imo. It makes it hard to read you both.In post 231, Almost50 wrote:OK, slight change of plans: Lynch ME today, and when I flip TOWN you can go back and lynch Tails for me on D2. Does THIS sound fair enough?
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In post 241, Wisdom wrote:Actually ill just do this
Raya36 - dunno
Almost50 - town
TheBrie - scum
Wisdom - town
Tails - town
Hellfire Missile - town
Titus - town
Dunkerdoodles - town
NotTheRealPaul - scum
Vedith - dunno
Eurotrash - scum
Generation X - scum
so one more scum in my dunno reads and solved
These reads are really good imo bar maybe the hydras, Hellfire and Doodles.In post 242, Wisdom wrote:Quick isoing has me favoring vedith for fifth scum-
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That's obviously not what he said.
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I don't get how TheBrie hinted at being the Seer but regardless it's a quite anti-town thing to point out here.BOTH WWs are on TheBrie right now. Her reaction and sheep of me hints she might be Seer herself. If she's not, the Seer needs to check in this wagon (Gen C and Wisdom in particular). Vedith is likely Town.-
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Fun fact I never realised how most votes on her (other than Gen X's) came literally out of nowhere.In post 285, Almost50 wrote:I can't. You're play doesn't make me feel like it's coming from Town. There is literally NO CASE on TheBrie.-
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This pings me and I can't put my finger on why.In post 343, TheBrie wrote:
You're lucky I decided voting based on profanity was a stupid idea.In post 337, Almost50 wrote:*;ole; = likely!
That's what you get for responding to MOTHERFUCKING MOTHERFUCKERS! (I hope you got enough).-
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Who was Wisdom voting, again?In post 367, Titus wrote:
The setup won it. Your votes were crap without that guidance. Seriously, you refused to listen to me, and said my lynch was my fault for SRing you.In post 366, Wisdom wrote:
Thats your fault, stop antagonizing meIn post 364, Titus wrote:You mislynched me in railgun
Town still won and i played a major part in it, so
This is mafia, not ego wars.
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In post 377, Titus wrote:
Day timer was frozen Edosurist.In post 263, CommKnight wrote:
Wisdom, yeah I will be avoiding you in the future. You can self select for those who let you get away with this crap.Brie's flipping town. While we're both here, I will try to get through to you.
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So... it would appear that A50 was defending a WW while pushing a case on someone else as being a WW.In post 406, MMM wrote:
Self-reminder at this point to look back at who got lynched and how they flipped.In post 125, Titus wrote:VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
Random completely out of context sheep.
A50 guarantees ww lynch.
Dunker knows he can get two back to back lynches if A50 wrong. If A50 correct, zero accountability sheep. No questioning either. I like this vote and will follow.
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If you're scum then I commend you because you're doing an amazing job at looking like town if you are, and your reads are remarkably similar to my own.
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I didn't read who got lynched when I arrived at that post and therefore your argument is invalid.In post 440, MathBlade wrote:
For being "pinged" by lynched scum.In post 429, MMM wrote:
This pings me and I can't put my finger on why.In post 343, TheBrie wrote:
You're lucky I decided voting based on profanity was a stupid idea.In post 337, Almost50 wrote:*;ole; = likely!
That's what you get for responding to MOTHERFUCKING MOTHERFUCKERS! (I hope you got enough).
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Do we really need to argue who to go after? Right now if we lynch WW we get a 3v6 situation with no nightkill and if we lynch Mafia we get, at worst, a 1v2v5, assuming WW kills Town.
If projecting being a WW or a mafia onto someone helps identify them as scum, I'm all for it, but I don't think ignoring either faction is wise. Just lynch who you think is scum, be it Mafia or WW.-
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@NTRPIn post 26, CommKnight wrote:In post 13, Hellfire Missile wrote:VOTE: Almost50 for not being a good mod and renaming his thread and
screwing up vote counts/people on themI know it's not giving anything away. But PLEASE do not discuss ongoing games. I'd rather stomp this out now before it does become something.-
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How did you come to the conclusion that one of them is scum?
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That reminded me there was something I wanted to address but completely forgot to.For what reason are you voting me? Did you not have any better scum reads at the time you voted me than a completely inactive slot? Or did you just want to see where it goes? Or is it about something else entirely?
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Fair nuff.In post 487, Tails wrote:
A little of column A, little of column B. Your slot was the only one that hadn't posted anything substantial, and I wanted to see what shook out. I'm still not convinced you're town, though. And I'm too preoccupied by rl matters to decide if there's a better place to move my vote. Maybe later tonight or Monday.In post 479, MMM wrote:That reminded me there was something I wanted to address but completely forgot to.For what reason are you voting me? Did you not have any better scum reads at the time you voted me than a completely inactive slot? Or did you just want to see where it goes? Or is it about something else entirely?
I agree with this. If her sub out is at all alignment indicative in this case I believe it'll be because she's disappointed in her read of Brie anyway, so at the very least I doubt she's WW, and most likely her slot is town.In post 488, Tails wrote:@Vedith: What about Titus/Almost read TvS?
@Almost: I'm not sure I see the benefit of trying to push Wisdom as a counter if Titus was Brie's partner. Wisdom was not a good counterwagon, and Titus is smart enough as scum to see that it would never go through. She would have bussed in that situation over pushing Wisdom. The only way Titus-scum pushes Wisdom over Brie is if she thought Brie really was town and was trying to avoid the blowback. I mean, it's still not a smart move, and she could have easily continued to push Dunker for the same results. Titus as town is hardheaded enough to try to go for a Wisdom lynch, because she's not thinking of another agenda and there is a real playstyle clash there.
tldr - I really don't see what Titus has to gain as scum by pushing Wisdom, and I think she's game minded enough as scum to avoid that push.
I would far prefer a nightless game in this event as opposed to having to spend 48 hours doing nothing.In post 492, CommKnight wrote:In post 481, Almost50 wrote: Now let me elaborate: The only night action we have are the Seer check and the WW NK. With the 2nd WW lynched we have no night action (technically we do, because the Seer is alive, but we know they can't get any positives anymore, so..). This means the game becomes nightless, but we have control over it all.I'm going to ask this now since this would effect some mechanics and I need to green-light this with everyone before it was even attempted. (That means ALL living players would have to agree).
In the event of the final WW dying at any point in the rest of the game, would town & mafia be good with a nightless game? This would mean that mafia chat would become Day-Talk and it would be updated in the OP to state this change, the reason for it and that all living at the time agreed to it.
So don't do it right now, but in the event of the final WW dying at any point in this game, at THAT time send me a PM whether you agree to the above or not. Remember it requires everyone to agree to it that is alive at the time. So even one no in PM and it will remain 48 hour nights with mafia only having night talk.-
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I think exactly one of Dunkerdoodles and NTRP is newbtown and the other is scum along with the other 3 scum slots I listed. And I'd need a lot of convincing if anyone wants me to scumread one of the townslots/MathBlade.In post 446, MMM wrote:{Wisdom, Almost50}
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Interesting.In post 499, Wisdom wrote:correct, dunker is towb and ntrp isnt
You could if newbscum didn't exist as well.In post 504, NotTheRealPaul wrote:FTR im a newbie too. Can I get on of wisdom's special passes?-
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In post 509, Dunkerdoodles wrote:so we lynch paul if we want maf, should we still try and find the ww?
I.e. if you think NTRP is Mafia, vote him.In post 467, MMM wrote:Just lynch who you think is scum, be it Mafia or WW.-
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What I've seen of Gen X was a misrep, a "scumclaim" Transcend saw from..... something? completely inexplicable?? and only one post of Transcend being Transcend that I've seen. I think the scumread is reasonably well earned. I don't scumread the slot so heavily that you can't sway me to vote elsewhere though.-
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How come?In post 525, MathBlade wrote:When new players enter Mafia sites they tend to abandon it if they get a scum role PM and be reminded to play and/or just drop out altogether. They have a perception scum is unfun.-
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Fair nuff.In post 534, MathBlade wrote:In regards to why newbies do this I only observe the patterns. I don't know enough psychology to fathom a guess why.-
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I feel like leaving confirmed scum alive is too risky. I believe the WW claim, and I do believe that she's willing to take our directions on who to kill, however the following may still be the case:
- She may end up killing Town despite our belief of hitting Mafia with the nightkill
- Mafia may end up influencing the kill too much and aim it at town
- She could still be Mafia fakeclaiming herself in order to be kept alive by town
My heart is telling me to let you off the hook, but my brain is telling me not to, and I think my brain is generally better. I'm sorry, but my lynch is not coming off, and I believe I won't be alone in this decision. The game may last a little longer because of this since there won't be any night kills, but our deadlines are relatively short anyway so it's nothing to worry about, honestly.
In case it's not obvious, Seer isn't going to and shouldn't claim until we can 100% confirm the last WW being dead. Also, everyone should vote in favor of the game becoming nightless after that event. This is also part of the reason I want to lynch the WW as well, because again, spending 48 hours with nothing to do during the night just isn't fun and I feel like it personally disconnects me from the game too much.
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