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Howdy. This my first game on mafiascum.net however I have played about 5 games before including hosting 1 of my own on a different forums. That forums is quite small so it’s usually the same 13 or so people playing each time. We also had 48 - 72 hour days. So basically this experience is going to be new for me and that probably doesn’t mean anything to y’all whatsoever. If you want to take any information from this just go with that I’m going to be active :3I mostly just lurk now.-
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I've never played this setup before but I get the feeling that anyone who was a jailkeeper wouldn't tend to make a joke about there being the death of an individual at night when they are able to stop it. Personally, if Elmo ever role claims as the jk in this game I'm likely not going to believe it :3In post 24, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
Have you ever played this Setup?In post 11, sheepsaysmeep wrote:good job assuming theres no jk
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I unvoted because the vote wasn’t a serious one.In post 53, Transcend wrote:I think I'm someone that will always be bothered by naked unvotes
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Hey, so here are my reads that nobody asked for:
Yuria - Slightly scummy in my opinion. They only have 2 posts and they avoided a question with another question. Whilst this stuff isn't really a scum tell overall they don't seem that useful to the town so I would be up for lynching them since we don't know much day 1.
Ectomancer - Whilst I'm split on the tell of their tactic to force wagons on us, they seem fairly reasonable and like someone who is willing to at least contribute a lot. So at the moment, I think they are worth keeping around.
IceGuy - I don't really get many vibes from him of either alignment. I don't really see why there are votes against him.
DeasVail - He seems very friendly. To the point where I would derp clear him as town. Though this is mafia, so a nice guy approach might just be a facade.
Transcend - His posts consist of a whole lot of nothing and some of them are somewhat misleading. The only credit I could give them right now is that they are active. But the slight scumminess in the lack of sense that they are writing means I would be comfortable lynching them at this stage.
Fishythefish - I trust the fishy for now. I would like to see him post a little more though as I feel like he has more to offer than what we've seen so far.
Elmo TeH AzN - Her posts are short and brief which isn't too useful. I don't think there is anything scummy about her, but due to her lack of meaningful contribution, I would be willing to lynch them day 1.
Luca Blight - Another player that seems reasonable in what they are saying. I feel like he has a way of seeing wider logic which I think is useful late game.
kelbris - I like his logic and how he offers his opinion into the discussion. He is a seemingly useful player that I would not be comfortable lynching day 1.
sheepsaysmeep - He seems rather unnoticeable to me. Before isolating his posts I only thought he had 1. Other than that they seem okay though.
havingfitz - I don't like how he passively suggested Transcend revealed being the IC so early in the game. Pretty scummy if you ask me. Whether or not they are indeed mafia I think this kind of bad thinking wouldn't be helpful to town in the long run so I'd be willing to lynch them day 1. Despite this, they do seem like they would be helpful.
Lil Uzi Vert - He has not been helpful in anyway whatsoever. Hist posts are literally just an introduction, votes, and a single emoji. Based on how I vote on day 1 lynches, which if you haven't noticed is more based on usefulness than it is scum tells, he is the person I would be most prepared to lynch.
mutantdevle - He seems like an utter noob which can get annoying. Not sure what to make of this guy.
davesaz - They haven't spoken in a long time. I'd like to see them speak more.
Btw my attitude towards day 1 lynches is, since we don't know much, I prefer to lynch based on how useful I think the players will be. The only time I really move away from this is if either someone makes a proper slip and we can actually be fairly confident that they are actually scum or the pressures of time means that I'd have to vote for somone I am not really okay with lynching but still think it is worth losing them in order to not end the day in a no lynch.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Yes. The forum where I come from scum reads tend to include an analysis of both the mod (often referred to as the god of the game) and yourself. The reads mostly consist of jokes with the read about yourself almost always claiming to be dodgy in some way.In post 65, Transcend wrote:Did you actually just seriously give a read on the mod
I do not believe the reads are pointless. In my opinion, the most common times people make scum slips and tells is either when they are under pressure or early in the game. I think first impressions are often useful and it is always good to get them out in case you are killed at night. That way, you at least have the confirmed opinions of someone who is confirmed town instead of guessing at what their posts mean. And I don't mean to WIFOM the situation here but if trying to seem helpful is a thing that scum tend to do then why as scum would I do that if it makes me look like scum? Long reads is something that I, and many of the people I have played with in the past, do often. If you would like some links of previous games I have played as evidence of this meta then I would be happy to provide them. But basically, regardless of my allignment or role, I will almost always post these types of reads fairly frequently and will continue to do so here.In post 68, Luca Blight wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mutant
He says we should lynch whoever seems least useful at the end of a long pointless early reads list which seems designed tolookuseful.
Not only does this seem contrived, it's also a terrible strategy - scum have more motivation than Town to look as though they are useful for their very survival is of most importance to them.
And if your current rate and quality of posting remains consistent then that would mean you have little to offer. I'd also like to reiterate that if I seem to want to rush things or think people aren't posting regularly enough then it is because I am more used to 72 hour days. 336 hours days is a huge leap from that for me.In post 79, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
We have 12 Days to deadline. BravoIn post 64, mutantdevle wrote:Elmo TeH AzN - Her posts are short and brief which isn't too useful. I don't think there is anything scummy about her, but due to her lack of meaningful contribution, I would be willing to lynch them day 1.
Fear not, for that is not the case. ("But that's something he would say if he was a part of that scum team!")In post 84, DeasVail wrote:I’m now slightly paranoid that my three town reads are actually the scum team. :/
I don't understand why you feel you'd have anything to cause you to hold out on such a trivial read at this point in the game.In post 88, Yuria wrote:yeah, I have a reason. Not gonna push it until I've seen more from them, but it wasn't just random.
@Transcend: I don't really like the way you seem resistant to cooperating with the town. To me, that's either a scum tell or the play of a bad townie. Niether of which is very helpful for the town.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Yes I can see how my post was contrived and appearing to raise myself up. Looking helpful wasn't something I considered when writing that post though and rather I use my reads to both offer my thoughts on current situations (if needed) and to be used as a record of my thoughts. If at any point during the game I die, I encourage people to look back at my reads (and other posts) to see what my opinion would have been. I like to think that players opinions mean more when they are dead (or rather confirmed town) and as such I want my opinions known for if / when I die.In post 101, Luca Blight wrote:@Mutant- my point (and reason for voting you) wasn't so much the fact you were looking helpful, but the fact you concluded that helpful-looking post by saying we should lynch whoever is least useful. You can see how this seems a little contrived?
And yes, scum do try to look useful - because by not being so they will be suspected. The key word here is try: as Town you are naturally curious and motivated to find out who the scum are, but as scum this has to be faked to some degree.
To be fair your tone reads pretty Town which is one of the reasons I switched my vote, but I don't think your post was useful - what has it achieved exactly?I mostly just lurk now.-
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Certainly.In post 103, IceGuy wrote:@Mutant: Could you point me to a (completed) game of yours on another site?
https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewt ... =40169&p=3
Post #72. My first post of the game and also contains a read. I think that day 1 of that game was only 24 hours and it started whilst I was asleep which is why I was so late to comment.
I was town in this game. I correctly predicted who the cop was and town won in the end with whilst only losing 3 people who were town aligned.
https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewt ... =39942&p=3
This was an earlier game. Again I came in fairly late at post #55 with my first post also being a scum read.
I was also town here and shot night 2. Later during day 3 the mod got bored and quit :/
https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewt ... 07#p680507
This is my most recent game. I had a few more posts before giving my scum reads this time but it was still on page 3 and post #51 that I posted them.
I was scum for this game. My fate was that I was modkilled for inactivity. I stopped playing because the mod accidentally posted the names of the scum when they posted someones role card. Even though the mod fixed that issue my post afterwards alluded to have seen it so I couldn't play due to meta shit. Overall the mod in that game was complete shit and decided to end it with a tie when there was 1 town and 1 scum left...
If you isolate my posts you could scroll through each game and find I make those reads roughly once every mafia day. But as days here are 2 weeks rather than 3 days I reckon I may post 2-3 every mafia day.I mostly just lurk now.-
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I do. I'm used to giving reads after the 50th post because the forum I used previously had 72 hour day phases in most instances. Also from the forum I come from the PM system is basically a private thread between the recipients. Most other forums I have used also have a similar PM method. It's so much neater than how this forum is laid out with it's 1 off messages that you have to Re: every time. Kinda like email. It's not something I'd leave this site over thoughIn post 116, IceGuy wrote:Who gives reads 2 Pages into a game and less then 70 posts into a game. If you were trying to generate conversation good. But come on. They were pointless. D2 or even a late D1 I can see reads.
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VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN
I’m also currently willing to vote for havingfitz if the wagon was to switch to him. Both of these players strike me as scummy but as Elmo currently has a bigger wagon on them, and I just see them as generally less useful for the town, that is where my vote lies.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Your first point is correct to an extent. Whilst personally I don't have questions for you, your discussion with Luca has left me trusting Luca more and trusting you less. I just feel that Luca's push on you has overall been far better than your responses.In post 147, havingfitz wrote:
Why am I scummy to you? Has my discussion with Luca left you with questions towards me?In post 141, mutantdevle wrote:VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN
I’m also currently willing to vote for havingfitz if the wagon was to switch to him. Both of these players strike me as scummy but as Elmo currently has a bigger wagon on them, and I just see them as generally less useful for the town, that is where my vote lies.
You call me "pretty scummy" in your Post 64. In the same post you say you "don't think there is anything scummy about" Elmo.
And then despite having a variety of scum and usefulness reads detailed in 64, you do not see fit to vote anyone until after they have placed a vote on you.
Why is it better to vote someone you don't find very scummy over someone you find "pretty scummy?"
You seem to hold, what I think is an inconsistent application of, usefulness in higher regard than what you perceive as scummy. You also seem a bit of a try hard.
At that point, I did not consider there to be much that is scummy about Elmo. My opinion has since changed and I am now more suspicious of her than I previously was.
My reads were not targetting anyone in particular, they were simply my first impressions of everyone within the game and included who I would or wouldn't be prepared to lynch day 1. I did not feel the need to vote. There was no one who really stood out as the best option at that point in time. I'm also not used to votes being thrown around so much. On the forum I've migrated from votes are rarer and far more serious. And my vote on Elmo had nothing to do with how they voted for me. My preferred lynch today would honestly be you. And I was about to vote for you when I saw that all of a sudden there wasn't much support for you and main wagon had switched to Elmo. And honestly, I don't see how me voting for Elmo could be considered suspicious in any way since I had already stated I would be prepared to vote for her.
My suspicion of Elmo has since risen since my reads post for several reasons. Her posts continue to be trivial and fail to contribute much. She is yet to post her reads that she said she would. And now she has gained more support to be lynched so why not vote for her? I don't really get what people are saying about her being hypocritical because she doesn't exactly criticise me for wanting to lynch unuseful people, but if one of the people I don't mind lynching is gaining support to be lynched then I have no reason not to jump on that wagon.
Finally, usefulness is only a strong factor for me on day 1. Once we have leads on things, scumminess becomes more of a priority. Usefulness is just what I think is the best thing to go on when there are not many strong candidates for the lynch. So if we are running stale on any future days, I will refer back to lynching based on usefulness.
Not answering a question isn't always scummy but in my opinion, there are very few occasions in which not answering a question is acceptable. There is literally no reason not to answer it. I consider that to be slightly scummy in comparison. When I refer to someone as scummy I'm not saying I genuinely believe they are scum. Just that their actions are questionable and not something I appreciate any town aligned member doing.In post 152, sheepsaysmeep wrote: Yuria - you say the two posts are slightly scummy because they avoided answering a question, but then you say that's not a question?
also about the yuria and elmo part; idk if anyone else has said this yet but d1 you lynch on scumminess not unhelpfulness
And unhelpfulness is a good reason to lynch someone when you don't have any scum tells. If you have no reason to believe anyone is definitely scum then the safest option is to lynch someone in isn't helpful. That way, if you do accidentally lynch a townie, you will be doing the least amount of damage to the town as possible.I mostly just lurk now.-
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This is a terrible thing to do in my opinion. If I were to ever end up in your situation or a situation where I'm almost definitely going to be lynched I'd spend my final posts trying to contribute as much to the town as possible. This would not have the intent of not being lynched but rather to genuinely help the town even after death. Your final thoughts before your death are probably the most crucial as if you flip town all of a sudden your opinions hold more weight. If this is genuinely going to be a mistake at least help the town to learn from it and lynch the right person next time. Just giving up is never helpful for the town and just makes you look more and more scummy.In post 247, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Feeling like a dead man walking. Not really seeing much as towns setting up this nice mislynch.I mostly just lurk now.-
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I just feel like there isn't too much else to discuss today. When day 2 rolls around we will have 2 fewer players to chase after and the PR's may have learnt something. The more you continue to ignore and inadequately answer questions the more I consider our votes on you to be correct.In post 283, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
Why so quick on the days because this is a bit too slow for you?In post 279, mutantdevle wrote:I'm getting bored. Why isn't Elmo dead yet? :3I mostly just lurk now.-
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Your reasons are either this a last-ditch attempt to keep yourself alive because you are scum or you are a town member that is incredibly salty that they are being voted for. Either way that's not someone I'd want in the game. I've played with people who get salty and whine when they are on the receiving end of a wagon and they are no fun to play with at all.I mostly just lurk now.-
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This is a bad idea for 2 reasons.In post 344, sheepsaysmeep wrote:give the replacement a chance to claim...
The only thing that would prevent most of us from lynching the spot would be if the replacement role claimed as a power role. That is bad as it would result in a counterclaim exposing one of our PRs. If Elmo was a PR they would have role claimed by now. Overall, it would just be unfair on the replacement or do damage to the town.
Second of all, it's impossible for us to know if Elmo genuinely doesn't want to play anymore or this is the tactic the scum have come up with. Giving the replacement a chance is exactly what the mafia would want us to do to steer us off the scent of Elmo's slot being scum or delay the game as much as possible.
@Elmo if you genuinely don't want to play then vote for yourself. You would no longer have to commit to the game and it would prevent time being wasted on finding a replacement.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Mind explaining why? I assume it's because you disagree with my opinion but if you are voting me for one opinion that I have then it's a very weak vote. You're also clearly not pressuring me to do or say anything so I don't get your vote. Do you think I'm defending ice guy? I no comprendo.In post 350, sheepsaysmeep wrote:VOTE: mutantI mostly just lurk now.-
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I don't really think there is anything a replacement could add that would make us decide not to lynch. If this slot was a power role then Elmo would have said by now. Giving a replacement a chance to redeem the slot would be what the mafia would want us to do if Elmo was scum.In post 351, Yuria wrote:meh.. UNVOTE: I can wait for a replacement to give me a different look on that slotI mostly just lurk now.-
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You say "It's more of a policy lynch for you than an actual scumread." as though you know it as a fact. And the question of reasons why Elmo is considered scum should be asked to the town in general since I am not the only one with this belief. But if it is really me individually you want to hear from then allow me to give my personal reasons:In post 384, havingfitz wrote:
But you do not think she is scum. You think she is useless. It's more of a policy lynch for you than an actual scumread.In post 380, mutantdevle wrote:I genuinely think she is scum
If you think Elmo is genuinely scum....what are your reasons for thinking so?
And Elmo is more useless than others? Why not unvote and see what Elmo's replacement's "usefulness" is?
First of all, her posts basically consist of nothing. This is not just about being useful but could also be seen as a scum thing to do. Scum would not want to help the town out at all and so far I don't believe she has done that. There have been a few of her posts where she does offer some opinion but overall her posts just really don't seem to contribute much to the town and as a result, I have nothing to consider here town by.
I did not mind the vote on me. It was not necessary though as I had already come under pressure for posting reads so early in the game (which is what I am used to doing), so if the vote was not a pressure vote then it must have been to get my lynched right? So basically her reason for wanting me lynched was I posted reads too early. Furthermore, she claimed that my early reads post and the general idea of trying to look town is not alignment indicative, yet votes for me for it? And then, later on, she changes her mind and claims it is alignment indicative:
A bit hypocritical if you ask me. This whole ordeal just seemed a little scummy and inconsistent.In post 247, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
In previous games that Ive played granted its been a while. Normally when people post walls or reads it to get people to look the other way at them.In post 237, Fishythefish wrote:@Elmo: Why did you vote mutant in the post quoted above?
Next, as people became more and more suspicious of her and started asking questions she never really answered them; at least, not adequately. She was purposely uncooperative with the town and just made things more difficult for herself and us. If she had answered the many many questions asked to her properly then perhaps her spot would not be at L-1.
Unless post #247 was this (which came 2 posts later) we never received these thought recaps.In post 222, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Oh posting a recap of my thoughts
I believe that this was just straight up a lie. This is because she reached L-1 again after this and decided not to self-hammer.In post 247, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
Grats? If I paided attention I would have self hammered.In post 238, Transcend wrote:also you got to L-1 and another one of my foses unvoted you so rofl mayo
From this point on Elmo had basically just given up. Regardless of alignment, this is an incredibly scummy thing to do.In post 247, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
Feeling like a dead man walking. Not really seeing much as towns setting up this nice mislynch.In post 239, Luca Blight wrote:And Elmo, if you are Town could you try and step it up a bit? You're giving me absolutely no reason to reconsider my vote on you.
Finally, I think these points by Luca are worth keeping in mind:In post 190, Luca Blight wrote:It might be worth noting that Elmo has been online since being put on L-1.
Normally this isn't the sort of thing I comment on, but given scum have day chat and she has been asked to claim, it could be that she is seeking advice before responding.
So basically no, I'm not going to unvote simply because Elmo has been replaced by someone potentially more useful. Usefulness is not my main reason for voting Elmo. I'm open to the idea that boring could be more useful and could potentially redeem Elmo's spot but as they haven't really said anything either my vote remains where it is.In post 259, Luca Blight wrote:Another thing we have to constantly bear in mind here is that scum have day chat - this affects everything.
Could the reason Elmo isn't trying to save her own bacon be because her scum mates are devising a way out without her having to give out too much info?
A scum member who is about to be lynched will be reluctant to give out too much information in case it impacts negatively on their teammates post-flip - Town have no reason to do this.
Please point out where Transcend is being mean. He has just been heavily pushing for Elmo to be lynched which is part of the game. From looking through Transcend's meta this isn't even the first time he's repeatedly posted images to get someone lynched.In post 387, boring wrote:Holy fuck... I'm tempted to let you guys lynch me just so Transcend can apologize to Elmo before she leaves the site for good. This is supposed to be a game, not a Mean Girls reboot.
Also @boring, I challenge you to isolate Elmo's posts and try to find one that looks clearly town motivated. I then challenge you to try not to panic as you realise the position you have replaced into. I kinda feel sorry for you that you have literally just joined a game you're probably about to be lynched in but I'm not going to let my empathy effect how I play the game.
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Sorry for not commenting in like 3 pages y'all. I have been reading on my phone though but all the posts I have wanted to make are big ones which I cannot do on my phone.
I do genuinely think these things can be and likely are alignment related. Scum are more likely to do these things as it inhibits the town.In post 391, Fishythefish wrote: From your posts, I feel like you don't really think these things are actually alignment-related.
Not posting content means that's 1 less person helping the town. Scummy. Being uncooperative is directly against the town. Scummy. Not answering questions means you have something to hide; only PR's and scum would do this. And Elmo / boring clearly isn't a PR so that must mean they are scummy. When you say you are going to post content why would you suddenly not? It's almost as if she was saying "hey just wait a minute, I'll be a better player soon enough you just have to give me time!". She also implied this at the very start of the game when her excuse for not posting much was that it was still early in the game. After that she never really posted much. It just feels like too much of a deception so I view it as scummy. And giving up is never helpful for the town. Scummy.In post 391, Fishythefish wrote:mutant: almost all those reasons seem to be about Elmo being unhelpful, or bad at convincing people she's town, rather than actually being likely scum. In particular, none of these seem to have any scum motivation:
- Not posting content
- Being uncooperative
- Not answering questions
- Not posting content after saying she would
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When I say scummy I mean anything that opposes or hinders the town. So a single scummy action does not constitute being scum since everyone does seemingly scummy things once in a while as we have no idea who's with or against us. But when you are doing so many scummy things with no redeeming qualities, that rings alarm bells for me and makes me consider you to be scum. If each of the things Elmo did was isolated incidents I would have had no problem with her and I definitely wouldn't be on this wagon. But as she has been consistently scummy I view her as likely to be scum. I really don't see anyone else who has done as many scummy things as she has.In post 391, Fishythefish wrote:When I say someone is "scummy", I mean "likely to be scum". So being scummy can't be "regardless of alignment". What do you mean by scummy, and why is it a good thing to lynch someone for?
This is a very bad approach to taking over this slot in such a position. I would have found you more believable if you came in a said: "okay yeah, Elmo was being scummy but I am not like that". But instead, you choose to deny she did anything wrong. Well, she has done things wrong which is why we are voting for her. You would have done much better to rectify her mistakes rather than deny or make excuses for them.In post 395, boring wrote:There's no reason to have a player run up this high this early with a serious wagon based on literally nothing.
You are seriously mistaken if I am policy lynching you. If I was lynching you based on Elmo's unhelpfulness, this post would have made me unvote as I can tell you would be a useful player just from this. But alas this post has done nothing to shift my mindset on my views of you (or rather your slot) being scummy. Furthermore, I don't really get the whole "he's acting so scummy he must be town" thing. Please point out exactly where and how I am being scummy. So far, the only point that has been raised against me is that perhaps I am trying too hard to appear town. So that means I am trying to act so town it makes me scum which is so scummy I must be town; like seriously what?In post 395, boring wrote:I thinkbecause he's playing so poorly. I don't mean that to be unkind. He's cumbersome in a way that scum rarely are. As has already been pointed out by two players now, he's trying to policy me, and he doesn't even seem to realize it. He's looking to lynch and not scum hunt. I know that's traditionally a big scum tell, as was that big read list on something like page two. It's so crazy scummy, and he's not even trying to backtrack.mutant is town
Oh boi.In post 395, boring wrote:I'm not thrilled that he's town, but he's town.
I'm glad you are experienced in this aspect but so far you have failed to shift people off your wagon permanently. I'm glad your tradition of never being lynched as townie won't be broken though.In post 395, boring wrote:Also,, this isn't my first time subbing into L-1. I think this is like the 4th time. I've never been lynched as town, so if nothing else, I'll get a new experience. Just remember to come back to this post later.@mutant
This implies that Luca has been trying to buddy the most aggressive town person. I don't think that's possible since I consider thatIn post 395, boring wrote:I don't like the wayis playing. I think he's just going along to get a lynch. I know he's first on the wagon on the VC, but he definitely wasn't the first to start circling Elmo, and that's exactly what this has been. Circling. To be more specific, he's playing the way I play when I'm scum. I try to buddy the most aggressive "town" player so they leave me alone, and then I Knit-pick.Lucaheis the most aggressive town person so far in this game. If you think Transcend is the town person then either you have completely written Luca off as scum or overestimate the influence Transcend has. Transcend is just rambling and pushing a lynch in a rather obscure way than most of us would be used to. The only impact his obscurities have had on me is that I trust him a little more due to raising some opinions that I agree with.
He asks questions and they don't get answered. He then inquires why they weren't answered. I really don't see what's so bad about that and it's exactly what I would do and am doing. If you have nothing to hide, answer the damn question. Only PRs and scum have excuses for hiding things and lying. You / Elmo are clearly not a PR.In post 395, boring wrote:He leaves questions and directions just hanging out there, then he collects on the "so-and-so didn't answer me" or "so-and-so couldn't explain x". He looks kinda like he's scum hunting, but he's just looking for weaknesses. tl;dr:he's clearly capable of thinking critically about the game state, but he's not doing it.
Why do you seem so annoyed over the possibility of someone TLDR-ing your post? You literally set your post up so it could be TLDR-ed. Personally, I am against all TLDR but if you are going to claim it's possible to TLDR your post at the beginning of it you shouldn't have this reaction if someone TLDR-ed it.In post 404, boring wrote:
wait, wat? You just tl'dr'd that shit, didn't you?In post 401, Transcend wrote:Boring's reads:
"I tr the people not voting me and fos the person who wants my death second most to transcend"
The reason was honestly quite a stretch as well
No offence Transcend but I don't think you have any right to try and command a potential vig to do anything like that. If they just started shooting everyone that seemed even remotely townie then we would have a lot of wrongfully dead players. Vigs should be more confident on their target before shooting than just someone seems slightly scummy. Let's just hope that Transcend isn't actually the vig :3
I don't really understand why you did this. It implies you don't actually thing Elmo / boring is scum and were only going after them for their low activity and productivity. It seems ironic that both you and Transcend have unvoted when the slots activity increases yet I hold my ground and still get the shit for apparently only voting based on activity.In post 419, Luca Blight wrote:Anyway, despite your terribly misguided points against me at least your slot is now producing something, whereas the Viomi one (while also seemingly useless due to the long-term V/LA) only seems to pop in when she's accused, so this looks a better area to probe for now.
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This translates to me as "I don't actually have many points against Luca other than that he is voting for me and I'm hoping that someone reads through his ISO and finds something for me".In post 427, boring wrote:I'm also not posting your whole ISO to break down each post individually because it's time-consuming, and difficult for people to read. It's easier to just skim through it themselves.
You are still yet to provide anything about me being scummy. You seem to be bad at the whole you-kinda-need-evidence thing.In post 444, boring wrote:Mutant has to be town or really good at playing too-scummy-to-be-scum, in which case, fool me once.
Finally @boring I have done as you asked and ISO'ed Luca posts just to see if I could genuinely see where you were coming from. But honestly, from reading his posts the main thing that was in my head was "I agree" with a few "Eh?"'s in between. Based on everyone's plays so far, Luca is the person I have the most trust in and if you flip scum I am willing to write him off as confirmed town. If you have any particular posts in mind in which he looks scum that I perhaps have overlooked then I would love to see them. But if his only crime is agreeing with Transcend then add me to your scum list because I agree with a lot of what both of them have said.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Jeez fine, I will... soon.In post 564, Ectomancer wrote:so Mutant get your nubby little town butt back on the boring wagon so that we can get this claim.
I have my reasons for unvoting.
Also boring isn't going to claim anything. Both Elmo and boring have had plenty of chances to claim a PR by now but they haven't because they aren't going to. They are either VT or scum, no inbetween.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Actually, why should I go back to the Elmo / boring wagon? Kelbris is currently at equal votes to them so why not lynch them instead? I'm actually really split on these 2 wagons right now.
I trust the people on Elmo / boring's wagon more but I feel like we have less to lose if we lynch Kelbris.
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Could you please point out where this happened as I really don't see where you're coming from here?In post 593, boring wrote:... then mutant ... I've stumbled into a game populated by people who don't understand the word "and"
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i would actually make a post like this as scumIn post 586, Rem wrote:
I don't think scum make this post so Transcend is probably town.In post 573, Transcend wrote:you're a fucking idiot die
i don't need shitbags like you in my town
VOTE: kelbris
we're lynching boring tomorrow i swear to god if that slot doesn't die this game i'm going to be very mad
Why would you defend Transcend by saying what he is doing isn't a scum tell if you admit you would do it as scum???In post 596, Rem wrote:Same tbh.
@boring this whole thing of updating your reads everytime your opinion changes is getting kinda boring.
It's almost as if you view your own opinion as the most important and hence are shoving it down our throats. It also falls into the whole trap I fell in of looking scummy by being overly helpful. I doubt that's the impression you were trying to give but since a good portion of your posts as basically reads or read updates rather than general discussion it's the way it's coming across to me.In post 427, boring wrote:(see what I did there?)
This is a good point but honestly, there is no way you are anything over than a VT or scum. I don't get why Ectomancer is seemingly pushing you to false claim a PR because there is no way that would ever be believable based on Elmo's actions.In post 606, boring wrote:Spoiler:
I want to reduceEctomancertotownleanbecause I can't think up any town motivation for wanting me -- or anyone -- to claim right now.
- If I'm a PR, that's a bad idea.
- If I'm a VT, it narrows the pool of potential PRs for scum, which is a bad idea.
- If I'm scum, it risks drawing out a PR, which is a bad idea.
- If he thinks I'm scum and he wants to pin me down to claim, then it brings us back to the above-mentioned bad ideas, and begs the question: why not just vote me?
*slow claps*Well fucking done. I'm surprised no one has picked up on this vigilante claim by you before my comment and I just think it shows that people aren't really reading your posts due to them being full of ramblings and insults. But seriously why would you claim to be vig day 1? It's like you want to be shot tonight. If there is a jailkeeper then they could save you but your kill would be cancelled out. If I were you, I would now regularly update us on who you want to kill tonight so that if there is a JK they can decide if it's worth risking letting you die to kill your target. Of course, if there is no JK you are fucked (and let's be honest, I don't think many people would mind that based on how you've acted during the game).I mostly just lurk now.-
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Fair enough, continue doing this.In post 662, boring wrote:
Well, yeah. I guess I assumed it was obvious, but my chances of seeing D2 are slim. Pointless back-and-forths just tie up everyone's time. So I'm leaving behind as much info as I can. It provides remaining town with genuine reads they can reference later. I'm not a great game reader by any means, but I'm usually decent.In post 632, mutantdevle wrote: It's almost as if you view your own opinion as the most important and hence are shoving it down our throats. It also falls into the whole trap I fell in of looking scummy by being overly helpful. I doubt that's the impression you were trying to give but since a good portion of your posts as basically reads or read updates rather than general discussion it's the way it's coming across to me.
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I never really trusted Transcend. If boring had flipped scum I would have considered Luca confirmed town but not Transcend. I really don’t see why Transcend would untruthfully hard claim JK if not to lure the JK out for a night kill which he has clearly done successfully. Transcend flipping scum would confirm boring as town since bussing is essentially out of the game due to how Transcend made Elmo quit.
Regardless, I think all of us would appreciate the peace of Transcend being out of the game.
VOTE: Transcend
@Yuria thank you for your sacrifice and selflessness here. You are essentially sacrificing yourself to save boring and lynch a scum. But I can’t help but feel this may not have been the wisest decision in the long run based on your role.I mostly just lurk now.-
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I guess I just havn't noticed IceGuy a lot this game. None of his posts stick out to me on initial thought which suggests not town. If I viewed what he has said as scummy then he would be on my radar; but he is not.As a result, he is still pretty Null for me. If I viewed what he has said as scummy then he would be on my radar.
Maybe I just havn't read into him too much though, so I'm going to iso his posts and see if my opinion changes. I'm kinda hoping I do find something scummy since I don't really want to lynch boring anymore.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Okay just ISO'd his posts and these are my bullet point thoughts on him:
- When he talks about other people's opinions or actions he often misrepresents them.
- He's devoted to the game enough to look into my background with the previous games I have played thing.
- Most of his earlier posts didn't consist of much.
- He pursues answers to his questions for other players when no answers are given.
- He opposed the Elmo wagon but also criticised Elmo a fair bit.
- Didn't hammer Elmo when she was believed to be on L-1
- Heavily opposes Ectomancer.
- Viewed the people on the Elmo wagon as scummy.
- More recently he has more active and more engaged with the game.
- Overall just seems committed to the game.
In conclusion, I am leaning town on him. I really don't get why people view his actions as scum. If someone could outline all the reasons he is scum (with stuff to back it up) I would really appreciate it. But right now I view him as a fellow townie. The only way I'd vote for him right now is if we have less than 5 hours left and the boring wagon has fallen apart. I don't really want to lynch boring right now either. My preferred lynch would be Transcend. But since his wagon is going nowhere I'm on boring since her slot has actually done scummy things whereas I don't perceive Ice to have done anything scummy as such.I mostly just lurk now.-
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You're not at L-1.In post 823, IceGuy wrote:Also, my claim since I seem to be at L-1 and will leave soon: VT.
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Ugh fine. But you guys better be right about this because I really don't see it. I feel like that regardless of what IceGuy flips people are still going to be after boring tomorrow.
VOTE: IceGuy
Also @Yuria, please just get damn lucky and jail the exact person who tries to shoot you.I mostly just lurk now.-
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Is that the only thing you think I have done wrong? That's hardly enough to make me seem like the most scummy player here. I'd like you to better explain this read.In post 881, UC Voyager wrote:Mutant is topping the scum charts! he said he isn't targeting anyone in particular, but then moves on to make a case and target Elmo! It looks like he is trying to be friendly while guiding an easy misslynch!
I take it you haven't read the part where I state I come from a culture with only 72 hour days and hence am not used to this 2 week variant?In post 884, UC Voyager wrote:Transcend and Mutant trying to end the day fast! SORRY! the day is meant to be for the town! if the town were to end the day short, then they could't do as much scum hunting!
In post 892, Luca Blight wrote:I really wish Yuria had waited until at least today before CC'ing - the situation probably would have taken care of itself.
The problem is if Transcend is Town then it's basically a wet dream come true for scum.