Mini Normal 2023 - Game Over

[Garmr]

Sigh I have a feeling locke won't get lynched today.

[Garmr]

Sorry but I just cannot get into this game anymore

Replace out

[Garmr]

Lets list a bunch of hypothetical scenario revolving around gustavos claim. Then a possible protective role like jailkeeper/or bullet proof would be needed to stop the kill since gustavo would be targeted this would also stop a counter claim to gustavo. Scum could possibly have a roleblocker/jailkeeper of some kind to counter this scenario.

Possible actions

1. Gustavo was roleblocked and the kill went else where and was blocked by a bullet proof or jail keeper. Thus making him hesitant to say his results.

2. Gustavo was jail keeped by town jail keeper to save him thus making him hesitant to say his results.

3. The killer was Jail keeped/blocked by a similar role.

4.Gustavo is a liar and scum that was jailkeeped and he was the one who was going to make the kill.

finally someone who gets my skepticism on why the claimed JOAT that has a protective shot is still alive and is basically claiming to have used an investigative ability at this point

I think most people are of similar thought and giving him one more day till we lynch.

[Garmr]

Replacing Gamma Emerald and Gustavo

Gustavo is staying

Why so you make me get all excited then take it all away.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Gustavo

It's just lie after lie.

[Garmr]

I don't understand what Gustavo is claiming just he lied about his role can someone explain to me how his claim works.

[Garmr]

babysitters have the ability to protect someone but if the kill targets the babysitter, both the babysitter and their target die.

Never had that role. But shouldn't of he targeted me if he thought he was going to die I mean he so intent on getting me killed?

[Garmr]

Yep

It would of been like the ultimate fuck you move to me. The fact that all he has did day 1 is whinge and bitch about me getting lynched and he picks someone else doesn't make sense.

[Garmr]

babysitters have the ability to protect someone but if the kill targets the babysitter, both the babysitter and their target die.

Never had that role. But shouldn't of he targeted me if he thought he was going to die I mean he so intent on getting me killed?

I’m also loyal which means my action doesn’t work when targeting scum so obviously I wouldn’t target you.

I obviously chose the right person so discredit me for not choosing you is just more proof you are scum. You as town should be happy I didn’t choose you last night.

@hiraki my info doesn’t help town. You being targeted doesn’t point to unreal being scum. You did play against your win condition and you suck for it.

Since you didn’t have any questions for me I can get the hell outof this game that’s destined to be lost cause of players like you/music/gamma/pop.

request replacement

This doesn't explain jack shit, you are just dodging the reasoning as why to you picked Hik over me. If what your saying is true then I should be happy as either alignment not just as town lol, that point is pathetic just like what you have been all game.

[Garmr]

Also you give me shit for wanting to replace out and not doing it then you pull this shit.

[Garmr]

@gustavo
If you do replace out ask for spoilers so you aren't allowed back in.

[Garmr]

I'm chill with a unreal seal lynch. He seemed to avoid placing a read on despite pushing me so hard yesterday.

VOTE: Unreal seal

[Garmr]

Aww, Dunnstral got less cute

I don't understand what Gustavo is claiming just he lied about his role can someone explain to me how his claim works.

Do you have me on ignore or something?

No tbh just skimmed those pages because gustavo gave me a headache and they were about him.

[Garmr]

re: seal lynch

i wasnt feeling it too much but now im really feeling it

Where are you feeling it? In your loins?

weird post

I have been having trouble figuring out if Krazy posts bad or if he is scum. I would rather take care of that tomorrow tbh.

I reckon his a epic mafia player. Not that it's a bad thing just it doesn't translate well into mafia scum.

[Garmr]

VOTE: akarin
i dont buy the votes on seal - especially since there were no action on it yesterday + his recent posts make sense.
shot hiraki is wifom on seal
i just dont buy it.

I like all the people on the wagon through bujab popo and myself. Akarin I'm unsure of but I would prefer Unreal out over Akarin.

[Garmr]

^ do you think hiraki is conf town?

No not at all. But Unrealseal was a scum read of mine yesterday and he hasn't really done anything to change that. So I'm not opposed to a wagon on him.

[Garmr]

Also add the fact that the ones that were trying to push my lynch over James are also the ones who oppose my lynch of locke! Now the exact same people are pushing akarin(null) over unreal seal (null-scum).

So now you can also add in the fact I have little faith in their judgement aswell to the reasons I think Unreal is scum.

[Garmr]

^ that only makes sense if you think the remaining two scum are locke and unreal though.

I could be wrong on one probably unreal if I am wrong. But locke's not going to get lynched today.

[Garmr]

VC 2.5

Unreal (5)Bujaber, Hikari,Akarin,popopo,garmr l-2
Akarin (4) Unreal, Krazy,Dr do little,Music-2
Garmr (2) Locke113,Gustavo(Getting replaced)

Not Voting (1) Gamma Emerald(getting replaced)

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2018-08-24 21:00:00)

Notes: Opening post is updated

Just going to point out that yesterdays lynch on james

VC 1.Final

James Brafin

(7) Garmr, BuJaber, popopopopopopo, Akarin, Music, Hiraki, Krazy
Garmr (3)

James Brafin,

UnrealSeal, Gustavo
DrDolittle (2) Locke113, Gamma Emerald
BuJaber (1) DrDolittle

With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch

A lynch has been achieved

Is pretty much the same people. Except Music and Krazy are on the other retrospective wagon. Then again Krazy was on my wagon yesterday and only jumped after James's Lynch me type of claim.

[Garmr]

No hiraki don't become gustavo don't go "is this allowed mod mod MOD"

[Garmr]

are we honestly just dicking around until we find 2 replacements and decide on who to lynch??

Honestly I've been kinda wondering why Locke is just chilling on Gus through all this, but ultimately even that doesn't matter if no one on either wagon plans to budge (and it's looking more like people are buckling down than softening up)

Nothing new for Locke to avoid the big wagons but you guys seem to be finding excuses to lynch him.

[Garmr]

To not lynch him*

[Garmr]

Or we could lynch Locke

[Garmr]

No.

I will do everything within my power to make sure this day ends with Akarin's lynch.

1344 is far and away the single worst post made this entire game, literally claiming that they're perfectly fine with a mislynch on a claimed PR with investigative powers. I'm not letting someone get away with a post that irrevocably awful and scummy. Unless there's a Vig in this game who's going to Vig her tonight, I'm not comfortable switching to anybody else unless they literally claim scum.

I fully realize this is tunneling and I don't care really.

Besides, Akarin's flip gives an associative read on

Locke either clearing him

or damning him, since Akarin did defend Locke in an earlier post (1300).

A akarin town flip would in no way actually clear locke.

[Garmr]

Would also like to point out despite unreal seals lack of presence day 1. He did advocate for my lynch over james's.

okay, a bit late with this but I'm gonna go ahead with it

my take on the Gustavo v. James situation is that it's TvT. I don't think any scum would be worried about a random RVS vote and question and while I'm a little less sure about James, the motive behind is his posting is less clear than I'm willing to bet on.

Garmr on the other hand, feels scummy, weird posting aside, his argument against Gustavo seems to largely revolve around Gustavo's posts being wrong/useless rather than actually trying to point out why Gustavo is scummy

VOTE: Garmr

Used this opportunity to try and push gustavo and James as a town vs town and push my lynch over James's.

Seal - why can't it be SvS?

this is a possibility, one I didn't think of until you brought it up.

I'll admit, it sounds plausible but I think at the moment there's not enough evidence to make it anything more than a possibility. Until I see something blatantly scummy come out of both of them, I'm gonna go with Occam's Razor on this one and say it's TvT.

That being said, Garmr is still the best wagon at the moment, for reasons I've elaborated on in 136

Tries to onto flimsy reasoning why james and gustavo must be town vs town.

trust me I know all about terrible tunnels derailing town and why not to follow them. plus James is currently a bit north of null for me at the moment.

that being said, waiting on Locke to post whatever he's gonna post before I put Garmr back to L-1.

outside of Garmr I'd take a look at Krazy and FrenchAchilles. Krazy's vote on Garmr feels weak which might be a bus/distancing, and French's 185 is pretty bad.

What changed here? Why has James feel to bit north of null instead. Nothing about James's posting at this post had changed. He didn't mention anything that he suddenly didn't like in James's posting. I can tell you what was happening around this post. Public perception of James had fell and he was starting to look like a viable counter wagon to me. With a James flip being a possibility and Unreal pushing that james and gustavo was TVT earlier this seems like early damage control.



So we have associations with James now to add onto the list of reasons to lynch unrealseal.

[Garmr]

So what are the reasons to lynch both

Akarin
1-Positioning on the james wagon. (weak reasoning really weak)
2-Replaced into a dirty lurker slot
3-Voted gus under the guise of paranoia (could be actual paranoia lol.)


Unreal
1-Tried to push scum as town day 1 with a weird TVT argument.
2-Tried to push my lynch over the scum slot.
3-Had a sudden shift in reads from must be town to null leaning town when pressure was on the scum slot and they may be lynched.
4-Misrepped the situation with akarin a couple of time if you actually read what his saying.
5-His posting habits increased when pressure layed on his slot. He was content to lay low day 1. Also his post have got more structured and less fluffy when his neck is on the line.
6-James being a noob put Unreal in his confirmed town list next to Bujab I think since his a noob he would put a townie next to a scum buddy. Bujab pretty solid town to me at the moment.
7-

I was wrong, thank goodness. Here’s where we are now:

Here’s where we are now:
Music (L-6): Locke
Gustavo (L-6): French
Unreal (L-6): Hirakl
French (L-6): BuJaber
James Brafin (L-5): Gamma, popo
Garmr (L-3): Garmr, James Brafin, Gus, Krazy (

Maybe Unreal Seal?)

Not voting: I have no fricking idea.

Seems like a slip up about unreal being his buddy to me.

At this point why the fuck would anyone pick to lynch Akarin over Unreal.

[Garmr]

Can we have a extension for the replacements.

[Garmr]

This is how the game dies.

[Garmr]

Okay, all caught up! I'm cool with my Arakin vote for now at least, honestly both of Seal/Arakin are okay wagons imo lol, so I'm cool with that. Not sure what's going to happen now that we have like 40% different people but we'll see lol.

If you are ok with seal shift your vote over to seal so we can break the stalemate lol.

[Garmr]

and then what? have a week long night where we seek 3 replacements?

What do we do now when the game state has stalled? Have more people replace out?

[Garmr]

Judging from krazy reaction I doubt you are masons lol.

[Garmr]

Told you man with no name slot (locke) was scum.

[Garmr]

Or krazy there's another possibility, he wanted to drag your name through the mud with his lynch making everyone else wifom about you or you are is scum buddy and just like like James, Unreal seal did a utter noob thing. I am guessing the former.

[Garmr]

Yet, you're going out of your way to defend this slot? Why? Why is it so important that Akarin be lynched when this just seems to be a scumclaim?

I always defend my townreads, no matter how stupid they may be or how anti-town they're acting.

I see this level of suicidal behavior as a town-tell.

People have given me shit for it in other games and I'm sure they'll give me shit for it in this game. But if I think someone is town, I don't want them lynched. I mean, I think Music is town, but obviously he's not really hunting. He's just a mislynch that gives us nothing.

If you think Seal has now produced too much WIFOM, you don't have to change your vote, but I don't see any reason we can't lynch scum today. Much better chances of that in Akarin than in Seal.

Did you see James's suicidal behaviour as a town tell when you voted him?

[Garmr]

Hammer it

[Garmr]

Told you man with no name slot (locke) was scum.

Oh this isn't lockes slot nevermind.

[Garmr]

Oh this isn't lockes slot nevermind.

..but apparently this is. As in, I am.

Unreal basically scum claimed so if you want to hammer you can.

[Garmr]

If seal is not scum he is vengeful and we should still hammer. We (hopefully he shoots akarin) lynch both wagons and get max info.

This is probably the explanation that actually makes the most sense.

Actually, if that's the truth, I should just hammer.

Do it

[Garmr]

Also, right now the weather is good, but I don't really know how things are going to be tomorrow. Category 4 is coming in.

I guess I'll go ahead and just say

V/LA through Sunday

on the off-chance power is out tomorrow. I'm hoping it cuts west tho.

Obviously I will still be posting if the power is on since it's not like I'm going outside...

Grab a surf board and hang ten.

Stay safe through.

[Garmr]

@Gustavo
Off topic but your game style reminds me of Titus a little.

Ironic Titus replaces into Gustavo's slot.

[Garmr]

@unabombauh
Maybe you should actually read the whole game first because james is actual flipped scum lol.

[Garmr]

Welp They should of atleast seen my post before they posted the secound time. So it makes me think this agreeing with James is a whole Charade to distance himself from him.

Scum team
James/locke/unreal seal

[Garmr]

Major doubt on the above

I got a lot of other reasons why the locke/UnaBomber slot is scum. But I listed out most of them previously and quite happy for a unreal lynch today.

[Garmr]

Welp They should of atleast seen my post before they posted the secound time. So it makes me think this agreeing with James is a whole Charade to distance himself from him.

Scum team
James/locke/unreal seal

What if either Locke slot or unreal slot is town?

Or James slot is town and this is secretly a bastard game?

Mod would never get it would get approved if it was bastard.

Unreal is obvious scum after that fake claim

Could be wrong on locke But doubt it.

[Garmr]

The bastard thing was a joke. I thought it would be obvious.

I'm not on my humour game tonight sorry.

[Garmr]

music get in here and hammer seal

Hey I'm here, what's up?

Hey BeetleJuice Unreal scum claimed hammer time.

[Garmr]

So how/why did Unreal claim scum lol?

How claimed masons with someone who isn't with. Probably to smear their name.

[Garmr]

OK these are now popping up to my catchup-draft - DO NOT HAMMER YET.
There might absolutely be something of value I have to say before the night!

Reading your last posts, I guarantee this isn't the case.

lmfao owned

It's funny because it's true.

[Garmr]

I'm not a fan of the trend of catchup posts while still reading trend that some players follow, but hammering before una actually gets caught up is severely messed up.

Unless you already know his alignment and don't want to read his thoughts. :/

He can catch up over night.

[Garmr]

Why did you tell music to hammer when our one shot investigative is still like 30 pages behind...?

How is it better to catch up tomorrow when they need to use their night action?

Nothing stopping them from catching up in the night phase....

[Garmr]

I'm not a fan of the trend of catchup posts while still reading trend that some players follow, but hammering before una actually gets caught up is severely messed up.

Unless you already know his alignment and don't want to read his thoughts. :/

Locke is scum and even from una's posts his scum.

[Garmr]

Why did you tell music to hammer when our one shot investigative is still like 30 pages behind...?

How is it better to catch up tomorrow when they need to use their night action?

Nothing stopping them from catching up in the night phase....

What if they are murdered during the night phase?

I don't know about you, but the whole issue I just went through was the guy who knew exactly where the treasure was died, we couldn't get his information.

I knew the tombstone, Tuco knew the cemetery and told Angel Eyes. So, I had to work with one of them to find the treasure.

Spoiler alert, it was quite an adventure full of tears and drama. And some good tunes.

were you out the rain? Because in the desert you can't remember your name.

[Garmr]

VOTE: krazy

[Garmr]

What I def. would've wanted to say before the night phase is that Hiraki isn't actually mechanically cleared. Just to make sure that people don't lock them as town based on anything other than reads.

I'm fully caught up now, but have 0 interest in doing any more catchup-posts.
I think Gus/Titus -slot is basically the only locktown to me at this point, and Akarin is a likely town.
Krazy I wanted lynched (not sure anymore), Mylo needs to actually play today or get replaced, and Bujaber isn't as solid a townread as they were before.
Garmr has done some antitown decisions throughout the game - mainly provoking Gus, hurrying a MISlynch when I specifically asked for ~day to catchup, and acting like a douche whenever they felt like they could. They still feel like a dedicated town-disruptor, but not as much scum.

Now I think we want the Neighborizer-result for an inno on someone, and move ahead from there?

Pff gus provoked me and others. I actually got scum lynched and you seem to want to clash.

[Garmr]

thanks music

if unabomber continues doing catchup posts with his thoughts on the gamestate on page 22 i will continue not to read them

Also this is what confirmed town thought of your catch up

[Garmr]

whooops delete the above post that's meant for another game derp.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Unabomber

Let's stop dancing. Are you implying you interrupted the nk night 1 or are you doubtcasting for no reason? Your entrance appears to be looking at who you can push.

My slot had targeted Gustavo N1, and as there had been no nightkill, I decided to keep the trend going.
Hence I targeted you last night.

Are you like a doc or jailkeeper?

[Garmr]

Because that would effect the hikari results.

[Garmr]

VOTE: UnaBombaH
Jail keeper or doctor claim this isn't something you can brush off. Also you claimed to have a protective role what hope do you have of living the night?

[Garmr]

VOTE: UnaBombaH
Jail keeper or doctor claim this isn't something you can brush off. Also you claimed to have a protective role what hope do you have of living the night?

Pro player right here

If you can't understand why this needs to be stated then you can't really talk.

[Garmr]

You really serious?
If I'm not killed tonight, be my guest and lynch me later.
I have no need to be around in LyLo or even anything close to that.

I decided it was more important for me to make sure that people don't townlock a slot that isn't 100% confirmed by the nightresults.
If I come out with my full role, it only benefits scum.
Take that or leave it.

Just say it now Doctor or jailkeeper it's important because of the reaction you and your prior slot had.

[Garmr]

Doc

UNVOTE: Unabomber
Ok that's all that needs to be stated.

[Garmr]

If you were a jail keeper I would know you were lying.

[Garmr]

^^he thinks I might react to pressure.

You put the laughing emoji in but you really did clarify for me thank you.

[Garmr]

Obviously but I'm curious what the endgame is.

Say you get to L-1 and still don't claim. Is that really lynchable?
You are putting claimed protective PR under risk of lynch OR diverting attention away from actual scumhunting for what? In the end you either unvote or you do scum's job for them and kill the town PR.

Pff if scum listened to me they would of killed Unabomber yesterday because I pointed that locke slot was either a protective role or scum.

[Garmr]

^^he thinks I might react to pressure.

You put the laughing emoji in but you really did clarify for me thank you.

I know I use emotes too much, but that has sort of become my "thing" here.

Also your tone in this response gives me hope that we can get along after all.

Sorry games get intense.

[Garmr]

Again without info from una we already knew what happened night 1.

Either
1) scum didn't kill. Lol thanks
2) hiraki was targeted but somebody protected him
3) hiraki is scum, gus action failed (scum have JK or RB or something)
4) gustavo/una is scum. He'll be outed eventually.

Now he outed the info which doesn't really tell us anything for certain (most likely hiraki is town but still not confirmed) but helps scum.

Explain why I'm wrong because next time I find myself in una's position I'm never claiming and I don't want to be mislynched for doing what I think is right.

Are you trying to blame me for him outing himself as a protective role? All I asked was to clarify if he was claiming doc or jail keeper lol. If he was scum fake claiming and fake claimed JK I would of lynched him instantly.

[Garmr]

Pff if scum listened to me they would of killed Unabomber yesterday because I pointed that locke slot was either a protective role or scum.

Oh shit una is not gus it's locke lol


Ehh still though

If that were the case wouldn't they keep him alive so we don't know for sure?

Also this a bit of bias I don't want locke in lylo no matter if his town/scum especially if I'm going to be in lylo his a detriment to my image of a ideal town.

If his town he will be the cause of towns loss

if his scum (which I believe) he should of been lynched earlier/today.

Gustavo is another person that should be removed before mylo but the information he can provide town will hit it's peak by day 3.


I have a very dickish way of sorting locke but i'm hesitant to do it.

So you say you're hesitant about using a dickish method to sort me, which would actual contribute to your win condition if you're town but you'll say shit like this without a second thought? Whatever method you have of sorting me, just do it instead of talking about how you could if you wanted to but you're not going to for some reason or another.

Unless that method is shooting me

, in which case never mind

Since I decided not to do it. My method was to frame you as having knowledge as to why the kill didn't go through. I said that gustavo was the one who claimed to have a protective role and that it's weird he didn't die. Your response was there plenty of reasons that could of happened. Your attitude towards gustavo could imply you have some knowledge on why the kill might not of gone through.

Which could come from town or scum. If you were town it would increase your likely hood to be shoot by scum as a potential combo between you and gus would be threatening. The town aspect is kinda gambling on the fact you aren't actually a power role as well making scum basically sort someone for me. If you were scum it would get people stop people lynching you for the day sure but as the game drags on people would be more inclined to lynch you wondering why you are alive.

Literally called him out for having knowledge in a round about way lol.

[Garmr]

Aren't you going to ask how I know jailkeeper is a fakeclaim?

[Garmr]

Titus neighbour hooded me.
1.Thus proving that scum don't have a roleblocker if titus is town and her action on gamma couldn't be stopped.
2.That you claiming to protect Titus practically confirms her as town unless you are scum buddies with her which I doubt.
3.Hikari slot is not confirmed town and the shot was most likely on Titus.
4.I am confirmed town unless you want to say I'm scum buddies with james and gustavo.
5.We can confirm the neighbourizer ability.

[Garmr]

I'll just assume you are town for a couple of days.


Confirmed town/soon to be nightkilled

green

Lynchable (standard)
Scum=

red.

VC 1.3

Gustavo

(5) FrenchAchilles, Goldren Robster, Gamma Emerald, Hiraki,

Garmr

Garmr (4) Krazy,

James Brafin,

Gustavo, UnrealSeal

Golden Robster (2) BuJaber,

Locke113

FrenchAchilles (1)

popopopopopopo

Not Voting (1) Music

With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline ends in (expired on 2018-08-07 07:00:00)

VC 1.Final[color=#FF0000

]James Brafin [/color](7)

Garmr,

BuJaber,

popopopopopopo,

Akarin, Music, Hiraki, Krazy
Garmr (3)

James Brafin,

UnrealSeal, Gustavo

DrDolittle (2)

Locke113,

Gamma Emerald
BuJaber (1) DrDolittle

With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch

A lynch has been achieved

VC 2.2

Locke113

(3)

Garmr,

Music, BuJaber
Gamma Emerald (2) DrDolittle,

popopopopopopo

Music (2)

Gustavo,

Krazy
DrDoLittle (1)

UnrealSeal

Krazy (1) Akarin
Gustavo (1) Hiraki
Garmr (1) Locke113

Not Voting (1) Gamma Emerald

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2018-08-24 21:00:00)

Notes: Opening post is updated

VC 2.FINAL

UnrealSeal

(7) Bujaber, Akarin, Hiraki,

popopopopopopo, Garmr, Titus,

Music
Akarin (4) Krazy,

UnrealSeal,

DrDolittle, ManWithNoName
Garmr (1)

UnaBombaH

Not Voting (0)

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch

A lynch has been achieved

]

[Garmr]

First vote count.

The question at this point is the gustavo wagon all town because if yes that leaves krazy and bujaber as scum buddies and I don't think that's the case. so we have one scum in French(akarin),DrD,Gamma and Emerald and hikari.

If there's 2 scum off the wagon and one on I think krazy and music would be the most likely candidates because Bujab a vote doesn't make much sense to me if he was scum as it's easy to play sides here.

Second vote count.

I doubt that James's slot doesn't have at least one scum on him bussing. BuJaber,akarin,music krazy are on this wagon. Tbh I think krazy is the one bussing at this point as at the end of the day he seemed to be trying to defend James's actions till James fucked himself up.

3rd

Shows that the likely town were spread out between other. One opinion didn't form.

4th.

Now this is a interesting one because the confirmed town were on the end of the lynch. Music being the exception. Music hikari akarin and bujab all are names that keep popping up.

If akarin is town I would probally lynch Krazy or Man with no name. If akarin is scum. I would probably lynch a man with no name. Because there slot were on both me and gustavo at one point. One of the few players to vote me for chainsawing. Because scum knowing James is scum would want to link me with James and push me. They avoided the James Lynch and they also avoided the unreal seal lynch. They did vote James earlier but got off then sheeped them. Also they voted locke.

The only time they voted scum was when there was no wagon on the scum slot.

Every other vote has been on town (exception is Bujaber who can't be verified at the moment but if his town it makes the statement true.)

VOTE: Man with no name

[Garmr]

2.That you claiming to protect Titus practically confirms her as town unless you are scum buddies with her which I doubt.
3.Hikari slot is not confirmed town and the shot was most likely on Titus.

This part is what's weird.. aren't you mixing up two nights together? Una protected titus on n2 and n2 kill was on popopo so how does that translate to scum shot titus n1?

Una admitted to having locke protect titus night 1 as he said he protecting titus worked well the first time implying locke protected titus.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Unabomber

Let's stop dancing. Are you implying you interrupted the nk night 1 or are you doubtcasting for no reason? Your entrance appears to be looking at who you can push.

M

y slot had targeted Gustavo N1, and as there had been no nightkill, I decided to keep the trend going.

Hence I targeted you last night.

Bujab stop muddying up the game???

[Garmr]

fuck but the locke/james interaction looks so sparkly clean though.

Are you fucking serious I called out locke/james ages ago even day 1 but people refused to my case. Legit best cases in the game no one reads them should not doubt myself (we don't talk about unreal seal ).

VOTE: Unabomber

[Garmr]

I RB'd Dr D.

Unabomber should die ASAP.

Is this based on setup being too town-sided in your opinion?

Not seeing the connection between your roleblock and una claiming doc.

so what game do you see a joat (with protective pseudo investigation shots),doctor, investigative of some kind and town role blocker all together.

[Garmr]

Goon, ascetic, goon.
Goon x4
Strongman, goon, goon, traitor
Goon, goon, goon, traitor
Redirector, goon, goon

Maybe town has vig too which is a lot of the time negative EV.
I don't know I'm not experienced in balancing but those seem balanced to me.

Heck even with just 3 goons:
DrD could be weak investigative. JOAT is has limited shots. We don't know if the others are limited or not. Setup spec is too unreliable. Especially that not everyone has claimed.

Maybe we should no lynch. Scum will 100% shoot one of the PRs tonight. That should leave us with 3 people with some sort of info tomorrow. And if the PRs are smart with targeting we could get lucky.

Titus can you full claim all your shots please (don't give me number of shots just type)? I think gustavo and others are overestimating how strong his role is

.

Or the simpler answer is the game is actually balanced and one of them is lying.

[Garmr]

Don't be stupid. Scum DrD does not care about who town RB is when there's a doc to kill. Scum Hiraki doesn't block DrD when there is Titus. Unless you think it's Locke drd or Hiraki titus

Pretty much this.

[Garmr]

Starting to think It may be Bujab and locke/unabomb

[Garmr]

Yeah I would like the nights and actions cleared up as well. May as well have everyone roleclaim.

[Garmr]

I can believe hiraki claim I want to know the role Dr D is claiming.

[Garmr]

Cool I could get gun if this is true .

[Garmr]

Oh wait gun smith isn't the guy who gives a gun to a player never mind.

[Garmr]

I doubt the rest of the scum team has all claimed a power role.

So one scum in claimed power roles and one out of the powers roles.

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: unabomber

[Garmr]

i remember when i played with titus like 3 years ago she was super competent. but here she has so much lapses in logic that it feels like scum titus.

TBH this is the same Titus. Also would like to mention Titus has never ever gotten my alignment right as town (I have been like 60/40 on her). So I could see her getting paranoid and using a investigation slot.

What blows my mind through is why gustavo didn't use the neighbour ability first then the protect ability second.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Krazy

This slot is today lynch. I don't think his good enough as a player to see the unreal seal flip coming with all the logical hoops one has to jump through to predict that. Also his shift to James was only after James fucked himself over with a fake claim.

[Garmr]

the timing of akarins vote on the james wagon (the 4th, putting it level with garmr) and also voting so quickly after replacing in makes it a pretty ballsy bus so i gotta go with akarin town now.
as long as music keeps voting scum he can continue doing nothing and being town imo.

krazy's hammer and posturing around hammering looks like bussing, tho i think im still more comfortable with gamma at this moment.

happy with krazy or gamma today and the other tomorrow

dont really feel comfortable lynching anyone else atm

not comfortable with locke or doolittle lynches tbh

vote:gamma

lets do this he was obv scum yesterday, hasnt done anything today

krazy was easily the scummiest jump on the james wagon to me

man with no name ive got my eye on you

lets lynch bujaber tomorrow

It's frustrating because they were basically my lynch pool anyway, but I'm only willing to vote these people today.
Krazy
ManWithNoName (Gamma)
Bujaber

I was considering Music worth considering but I don't think that makes sense with Popopo's death.

Let's go with Krazy.

[Garmr]

I feel like this makes the coordinated fakeclaims idea a lot less likely.

I don't think it was coordinated. I do believe one is going to be fake through.

[Garmr]

Krazy give me one not more than one just one

1.Town read

2.Null read

3.Scum read

[Garmr]

Going to be honest I'm a bit lost on who may or may not be scum at this point.

[Garmr]

Was thinking there is ten people left and out of those ten there are atleast 2 scum. That gives us 2 mislynches

So there's ten people left.

1)

Garmr

-I'm pretty much confirmed town at this point.

2)

UnaBomba/ Locke113

-Claimed to doctor titus/gustavo. It's pretty clear day 2 that Locke113 was hinting at being a doctor/protective role. Showed to be clearly influenced by their results as well. If Unabomber was making it up on the spot then I wouldn't of expected Locke113 to be there.

3)

Hiraki/Kop

Note- can't rule out Hikarai but I will bold it since they seem to be town.

4) ManWithNoName/ Gamma Emerald

5) DrDolittle/ Golden Robster

While DRDoLittle reads clashed with me Golden Interactions with james Don't read as bussing. Also james

Actually, my position on GR depends on Garmr’s flip. If he flips scum, GR is prob bad town. If he flips town tho, GR is most likely scum. But I don’t see a Garmr/GR world making sense.

Was setting up GR as a mislynch further down the line.

6) Titus/Gustavo

Gustavos argument with me and his clash with others makes me think town. Also I can see Titus neighbouring me. The role claim is odd through.

8) Krazy

9) Akarin/FrenchAchilles

12) BuJaber

13) Music

So that gives us 5 to lynch from.

[Garmr]

Garmr is dead man walking. If he's scum he won't endgame. If he's town scum will be forced to keep him alive. That makes their NKs suboptimal.

While going through bujabs iso I find it funny I became the most obvious town in this game around day 2.

[Garmr]

Just going to go through the Possibility of Bujab being scum with James.

Thank you for starting a useless argument it has led to an accumulation of a gigantic scum pool, but one that is pretty accurate I think.

- French knows who scum is so he/she is pretending he/she doesn't know by faking town over-confidence / town ego posting.
VOTE: French
It's also easier to catch the scum looking in first then sort out the people involved in the debate based on associations. Though I haven't read with extra scrutiny yet someone might jump out as more obvious scum.

Fwiw initial gut feel is that gamma and james are town. Rest are scum or null. Though gamma is calmer and nicer than last time we've played. Rip into those that disagree with you .. way easier to read you that way


James I'm glad you're only one head this time. You and Korina obviously get along quite well but sorting a hydra was very difficult considering you two had a few internal contradictions / disagreements.

I trimmed some out that post but left the stuff that refers to James. I noticed here he talks to James a lot here after given james a gut town read.

This is a pretty good post. Leaning town!Jaber. Also, I hydra with Inferno, not Korina. Wtf?

James's reaction to the post.

Can't say for sure. I scumread him a lot in a previous game because of similar weird conclusions and contradictions. He turned out to be town.

I got the impression that he juggles and entertains too many scenarios in his head and gets himself jumbled up while at the same time he tends to be stubborn about his conclusions.

So I've reached the conclusion that with James you can't look at surface-level tells like that because they won't be alignment-indicative. You'd have to try and gauge his intentions and access to knowledge he can't have had as town etc.

But for the record I don't think him calling it OMGUS is bad, regardless of whether or not he's right about that. The second part yes, could be a scum tell. Doesn't seem like the right way to go about determining someone's intentions. You also spill the bag too soon and alert your supect that they've pinged you.

This seems like his passively defending James.

VOTE: Gustavo

Wait the whole thing started because of this?

Yeah okay.. conspiracy theory: Gustavo v James is SvS.

If james is scum and gustavo is town then no offence but it's the worst scum gambit I've ever seen (scratch that 2nd worst.. don't want to talk about it). I can't imagine scum!james decided to vote a random townie then make up a bs omgus case on him because the random townie voted him back in RVS then claim that he did that to get out of RVS then try to take back the omgus accusation by saying he wanted to know for sure if it was omgus or not. That just seems like it requires planning but at the same time it's a really bad case that would never work. I'm finding it hard to believe that someone planned that and then decided it was a good idea.

But if gustavo is scum, well it creates a nice little fake argument for them to have right at the start of the game where people don't have much to talk about and they would be taking up everyone's attention. Good way to distance.

He is doing three things here. He is calling a scum vs scum conspiracy theory so it seems unlikely, His linking gustavo if james flips first and his portraying it as near impossible that James is scum if gustavo is town and flips/dies. None of these are good.

@James - It is inferno yes sorry. My bad for trying to remember the name instead of looking it up.

@Gustavo - yes he went from very sure you were omgusing to not knowing if you were or not. I am not denying that this is a good thing to point out and it is definitely scummy on its own. I just don't know if I can make the leap that james is scum if you are not scum with him.

I qanted to quote some posts that highlighted how bad and irrelevant and overly-dramatic I felt the early-game conversation was but it turns out there's too many. I ask you guys, have a quick read of pages 2-6. Now imagine they didn't exist. Would we really lose anything significant?

In my honest opinion no. Those whole pages are terrible. I guarantee you two scum are among { Garmr, Gamma, Robster, Gustavo, James, Krazy, popopopopopopo, French} possibly even 3, but the 3rd is more likely to be one of the people who haven't really talked much (seal, music, Kop, Locke}

So that's a very big list... let's break it down and split them up in smaller groups.

True nulls: {seal, music, Kop, Locke} probability says one scum here. Especially because if I am right and that whole useless conversation was being artificially continued by scum then it makes sense for the 3rd scum (assuming there are 3) to want to keep away from it.

Early associatives for further review: james / Gustavo. Specifically, I think James can only be scum with gustavo. So if James flips scum I'd look at gustavo. If gustavo flips town, I think it clears James.
Unfortunately if james flips town that doesn't tell us a lot about gustavo because gustavo could be sole scum between them (but if I ignore James I kinda townread gustavo atm). And inversely if gustavo flips scum it doesn't tell us much about James.

Pop - the enigma. I scumread one post then he posts another that I townread then he posts another that I scumread. He is definitely being cheeky and causing trouble. What needs to be determined is whether his intentions are pro-town or anti-town.

Gamma - gut townlean.

Krazy - very scummy on the surface, which makes me nervous as I don't want to make a surface-level read, seemingly enjoying the chaos and his posts aren't useful yet: setup spec is NAI and accusations that lack clear reasoning. Keeps you eager for more I guess so he's got that going for him.

That leaves a realistic D1 lynch pool of {garmr, Robster, French}

So join me on french wagon.

Thanks (gustavo I think) for clarifying that french = espeonage. That makes it.. interesting. In my humble opinion based on one game: espe is very good at playing scum

. Fwiw Espe if I thought I could keep my emotions in check and continue I would have loved to continue being on of your partners in our last game. I don't know if you picked up on it but I was very much hoping you would distance me early on and you did before we ever got a chance to talk in the PT.

Hammers home the point James can only be scum with Gustavo. Put gustavo in a lynchpool with James then eliminates both of them.

Conjunction to save space and make it easy to read. Pushes my lynch over James334 Hammers the James and gustavo thing. Through he does seem very symphatic towards me in a latter post(still pushes i'm scummier than James through) which Is actually quite nice and I do appreciate it.

Gamma those posts were pretty empty considering you hadn't posted in sometime. Where is active Gamma?

I think Gustavo is town. I think y'all are voting him for a personality clash.

I think Rob is far too confident on Garmr to be a townie. His push is unreal, his argument with gustavo is irrelevant and distracting, his 180 on garmr is suspicious, what he considers an obvtown reaction is shocking.. there are far more genuine looking reactions across MS, this one is very difficult to townread that confidently. Therefore I find myself agreeing with gustavo that this is whiteknighting or defending a buddy, and tactically whiteknighting would make more sense but we'll sort out which later.

Also the fact that garmr didn't actually put himself onL-1 but claimed he did doesn't seem to change his mind which wouldn't be an issue but he is also ignoring my question about that but answering every single point gustavo makes? Suspicous

VOTE: golden robster

Goes through why me and james need to be sorted earlier votes golden robster...

There's a weird connection between you

(gustavo)

, garmr, james, and robster. Now maybe there's 2 scum among you, heck maybe even 3, but I am actually strongly suspecting that there is only 1 scum here given the game state.

Says this while continuing to push robester. Would make more sense as town to lynch either James or Me at this point, In fact James would be better becuase gustavo quote on quote can only be scum with james.

VOTE: James

Seems only interested in his feud with garmr.

@Locke - gamma was more active, more antagonistic I guess you could say. He shared his thoughts more often and more thoroughly. He pushed original cases and voted on unpopular wagons.. things like that. It's inconclusive evidence and 1 game doesn't say much and this game sucks conversation wise compared to that one tbh. I also don't trust meta tells very much because it's very easy to fake and meta changes with time. Just something to keep a note of as the game progresses.

If bujab is bussing it make sense here. His golden robster wagon is falling apart and jumping onto me would be a bad idea since there is just as much resistance as there is people trying to lynch me/also he had me as town because of golden robe so voting me is a bad idea. People aren't town reading James here either. Also there was a good chance the James wagon might not pick up. His the 2nd vote on the James wagon so his position is quite good on the wagon.

[Garmr]

Will do cases on the other 4 in my lynch pool as well. Then compare them latter.

[Garmr]

I might get lynched, we might lose, I may be wrong about some of my reads b

ut to not give me credit for the James lynch is some severely unfair shit.

Borderline evil.

Dude was playing me and trying to buddy me and I was still able to see through it. Yes it took time but I still caught him before everyone else. Only you were voting him and you had the advantage that he was trying to lynch you.

Bolded this. My post doesn't discredit you for James's lynch if you are town.

It just pointing out the possibility that can be scum with the same actions.

Also you weren't the first to catch him before anyone else. Golden robester was the first serious vote on him. Popopo was the first to push him constantly before you.

[Garmr]

Also for tonight actions Hikari shoudln't roleblock any of the claimed roles.

[Garmr]

@Bujab
Can I ask why you think there's a traitor in the game?

[Garmr]

1) if you're playing mind games with scum, then you should detail who scum is at this point because my lynch order is Una/[Krazy/BuJaber]/Titus. If it's not Una, it's you versus Krazy.

It's posts like this that make me think you could be scum with Akarin and DrD. You've completely left him off your list, there's no reason to be TRing him at all either. Plus, your selectivity irks me regarding Dr.D's claim. Third, you act as if scum rolecops and trackers are not things.

VOTE: Akarin

Sorry Garmr, I need this to be lynched for theory craft and vca.

Titus we nailed a scum already. We even talked about how James was scum in the neighbourhood.

[Garmr]

Ok now someone has to be lying about being a power role.


Btw I unvoted krazy

[Garmr]

? Did you? I don't see it and I'm pretty sure Dunn won't

Oh that post didn't go through.

UNVOTE: Krazy

[Garmr]

Welp lol

[Garmr]

hope I live till tomorrow then.

[Garmr]

Do you only get informed for one night or two?

[Garmr]

Town-informed is something you get with your role pm, it is not a night action.

There's a large-normal I'm moderating in sign-ups. It's a pretty juicy setup, I recommend highly.

Already inned

[Garmr]

Well that's interesting.

[Garmr]

2 kill blocks give us a extra lynch to play with but I want to hear what the power roles say.

[Garmr]

Y'all should listen to me more. Is it how I talk? My personality? What should I do to be gain more trust/support for my reads?

DrD or noName last scum I'm guessing unless we have traitor.
But yes please let's hear all the actions first. Maybe scum didn't kill for WIFOM but I highly doubt that. I'm guessing we either roleblocked last scum if hiraki is towb or doc protected their target.

You feel confident I'm town now garmr or did I bus both my buddies?

Though actually 2 goons is sort of weak. Having both roleblocker and doc on town seems super powerful. Add hiraki and Una to the scum pool. Maybe krazy knew nobody would actually lynch the doc claim and he was distancing.

I was going to do a case like I did on you for all the people that weren't power roles. I was then going to finish with krazy and place my vote back on him. I'm glad I forgot to unvote him now because it would of dragged the day out longer.

But yeah you can be town.

[Garmr]

Also Akarin could be town as well. I had a gut read they were town since day 2 but this pretty much seals it.

[Garmr]

Day 1 was kinda murky i thought he was town compared to seal and gus but day 2 onward it became kinda obvious krazy was the actual scum.

[Garmr]

i thought day 2 and 3 krazy were very sane

Well after James claimed that role krazy shift to james was probably to cut him out.

Day 2 his posting style changed up. When he had no pressure on him day 1 he was fine shouting for my lynch with no case or actually inputting in the game but after he was the hammer he started to put more input. 1125 looked like a shit excuse as well. there were other things but the main thing should be wagon position on James and change of attitude when he could be thrown in the spot light.

[Garmr]

Gamma and akarin were two pushes krazy did at opportunistic times I think we can rule them out of being scum.

Also Krazy pushed for DR Ds defence while James hardcore pushed for the lynch. This makes me feel like krazy was trying to get some town cred from the lynch Of golden robe/DR D

[Garmr]

Why do I have this feeling none of the claimed power roles used their ability's last night

[Garmr]

I claim we lynch one of the power roles since one will be lying.

[Garmr]

Why do I have this feeling none of the claimed power roles used their ability's last night

Called it.

[Garmr]

Titus told me to lynch Una bomber if he claimed to protect me.

[Garmr]

Titus told me to lynch Una bomber if he claimed to protect me.

If he claimed it today? Or earlier?

Today because she thought the no kill may be a scum gambit.

[Garmr]

Garmr please don't do that replace out thing again.
We took way too long to recover from that as a group.

On the bright side of that scum jumped on me to push the lynch and they couldn't recover either it hit James which in turn hit Krazy and it made Gustavo replace out and his had problems (even worse than his play in here) in every game I played with him.

But won't do that again.

[Garmr]

I can't speak about anyone else but the only reason I voted James over you is that he seemed scummier and I know him more than I know you.

It was pure luck on my part.
I didn't believe your reaction was actually genuine at all.

My points on James were solid but no one reads cases on mafia scum these days and after gustavo weaponized stupidity against me I can see why people wouldn't want to read my posts which is why James tried to start shit with me.

[Garmr]

Titus told me to lynch Una bomber if he claimed to protect me.

Like said, if I had shots left, it would've always been either you or Titus.
More likely Titus, except for the fact that scum likely would've expected that, and therefore I actually WOULD'VE likely saved you last night..
Oh well..

[Garmr]

Whoops pressed post instead of preview.

Titus was talking about how you should protect me anyway.

[Garmr]

Why wouldn't he protect hiraki?

Like you either think hiraki is scum and therefore you would want to lynch him now or you think doc should protect hiraki.

I don't see any other reasonable options from town POV.

Well lets look from it this angle.

I'm practically confirmed town despite being vanilla so like a innocent child, Titus was protected by him if he was dr and if gustavo is town he was more likely a night kill night 1 than hikari, so That's bias in there. I don't see why he would protect Hiraki?

[Garmr]

Dr.D being rolecop for scum

also im not even a role cop, im a gunsmith which is actually a pretty pro-town role.

Scum don't need to tell the truth about their role through.

[Garmr]

Also I been wondering why would we even have a gunsmith if their is no town roles with a gun to get a false negatives on? Traitor makes more sense to me since they can give false positives making dr do little a potential negative utility to town.

[Garmr]

@Everyone else that's not gusto
What do you think of this.

Vig please shoot popopopo, scum please kill this slot. I

will become a traitor,

for sure.

Would like to point this out from day 1.

[Garmr]

Don't know about hiraki's comment. Didn't take it seriously tbh.
I'll have to read up on traitor rules for normal games before I jump to any conclusions about that.

Popop I don't like French slot's posting so far either but choosing her over the controversial wagons seems like a cop out. Make a decision about the 4 that have been arguing. Because no way we're dealing with TvTvTvT here.

You ignore it but bring it up today.

I'm thinking on Hiraki that although it's unlikely that she is Traitor, we need to take taht with a healthy grain of salt. The way I see it, wouldn't asking for the shot/lynch be playing against her wincon as Mafia Traitor?
Been exhausted, I need to do a reread but have a lot of other crud to take care of. Should be done by tomorrow night though and ready to respond to Garmr's accusations about me. And yes, I know those were for Bujaber but honestly it doesn't feel like it was just "Here's what I see from James Brafin." It feels like a lot of misrep or misunderstanding and a pretty big attack phrased as an "explanation."

Scum James is quick to try and shut it down.

It's either nothing or he's traitor and we can just safely ignore him for the rest of the game, because as traitor in a normal, he can't kill, he can't be recruited into the mafia and he's endgamed once the actual scum are dead anyway. I'm going to assume the former for now but either result isn't a big deal

Locke says traitor is endgammed so to ignore it.

[Garmr]

Would like to throw this out here.

Music looks bad if this is a town flip
If scum flip Hiraki could be a bus vote.


IIDLTNA, now we wait.

If hikari is the traitor, traitor will pick up false negatives. Scum could of seen this and realised what gustavo was going to do. They wouldn't know which action but they would assume investigation. So they no kill just in case it's doc on Hiraki.

Thus they would try and confirm a traitor as town and it wouldn't matter if they missed out on a kill if they can recruit him latter.

[Garmr]

gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

[Garmr]

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists

cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead

gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

Actually locke was right about the traitor. They can't be recruited either.

Also changes my original thought patterns a bit disregard post 2053.

[Garmr]

Oh I got confused when I read mafia spy variation.

Okay so Una's paranoia is unfounded.

This makes much more sense because the golden rule of normal games is no mid game changes.

Therefore 1 no kill MIGHT be accounted for yesterday if they shot traitor and traitor was bulletproof but in that scenario only una, hiraki, drD can be traitor as I can't imagine scum shot anyone else.

Apart from that scum didn't kill for WIFOM in which case thanks scum.

But since traitor cannot he recruited scum would absolutely not leave both

una and hiraki alive

. Therefore we need to kill una/hiraki.

VOTE: Una

Una > hiraki > drD > noname

Unless they haven't figured out who the traitor is and mafia themselves have no power role to do so.

[Garmr]

If you roleblocked someone and there was no night kill, there's a pretty good chance that they did the night kill.

I think a roleblocker of any kind wouldn't expect another townie to have the same/similar role.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Hikari

I think Hikari bringing up traitor was him trying to get a reaction to find who the traitor was.


Night 1- it would be easier to shoot Gustavo than roleblock him Especially if they think he was the only doc ability. A Hikari kill would make no sense.


Night 2-They Didn't shoot or roleblock gustavo because they thought/knew gustavo/titus would be less likely to target scum and It would put hikari in a good position.


Night 3- Titus is out shoots no need to roleblock titus, they might of assumed that Dr D wouldn't have shots left or be they fucked up and thought he was a rolecop since people were calling him role cop or hikari is telling the truth and didn't get time to put in a night kill.

[Garmr]

Garmr hear me out.
We lynch hiraki tomorrow.

Tonight if hiraki is town scum HAVE to kill him or he can give us one final piece of info. Sure they can no kill again, but all that actually does is give us an extra mislynch so it's good.

Una today. If he flips scum it's over. If he flips town we lynch hiraki tomorrow. If scum shoot hiraki, we lynch no name. If noname flips town we lynch drD.

If una flips scum and game isn't over that would be fun. But we can think about that only if it happens.

VOTE: Una
Probably right I could get up in conspiracy theories.

[Garmr]

VOTE: DR d

Going VLA lynch this slot.

[Garmr]

Yeah no you get lynched now.

[Garmr]

VOTE: man with no name

Ok

[Garmr]

If the game doesn't end even with a scum flip on manwithnoname I'm going to vote Dr D tomorrow but I feel like this is the end.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Not_mafia
In case it doesn't register on vote count

[Garmr]

That's a lynch

[Garmr]

If he flips traitor Dr D is confirmed scum.

[Garmr]

Also if not mafia is a goon/power role if there is a traitor it's game over.

[Garmr]

Wish I followed up on this

My gut says gamma is town from earliest interactions. But being on every leading wagon it wouldn't surprise me if flipped scum.

Why do people I want to be town flip scum.


GG all

Game really picked up for me when gustavo left.

[Garmr]

Do you guys think my fakeclaim (Town-informed Hider) was implausible from an objective pov? I feel like I still have a hard time understanding what does or does not make for a plausible fakeclaim in this site meta. Like what am I supposed to do when roles sound like "loyal neighborizor"... I kinda went out of my way to make my fakeclaim sound more convoluted just because it seemed like every claim was weird and limited but that really backfired.

When you said informed I pretty wanted you gone, if you are town I would confirm a slot, if you were scum it's another win. Also it's very uncommon and with Gustavo which is also a weird role it was less believable. I wanted to do all my cases through before you were lynched I only got to do bujab.

[Garmr]

goddammit the instant I go on V/LA to recover is the instant I get put to L-1

Well claim time, so buckle down gents.

I am a

Mason Even-Night Rolecop

. My Mason partner is

Krazy, who is a Mason 3-Shot Bulletproof

which is why I'm not exactly hung up about revealing him. Still kind of stings but eh.

I was planning on investigating Garmr tonight in order to confirm his alignment but that plan's probably shot to hell now since I've probably got a target on my back now.

So this is probably my last post of the game or at least till I'm off V/LA.

I leave everything to Krazy and his capable hands, I'm sure he'll steer this town to victory. Please listen to him.

And finally,

Lynch Akarin.

So glad we went through with this lynch.

[Garmr]

Yeah I felt even through limited town had a lot of power.

[Garmr]

So I royally screwed town over by... starting a flame war? Either that or this group is just super toxic.
Either way, apparently you can help the scumteam by being an idiot. Who knew?

Nah you helped town out a lot you stopped a potential mislynch, got yourself lynched and got krazy on the chopping block eventually.

[Garmr]

Also while scum lost this game I feel like gamma's slots and krazy did well. If not for day 1 Krazy and his interaction with james and him pushing for akarin while trying to keep unreal seal alive. He may of been in my town list. It's just those two slip ups.

Gamma was chill he just needed to avoid jumping on every major lynch.

[Garmr]

can we have the mafia thread I want to know what the mafia must of thought through the early messy phase of the game.

[Garmr]

my reads were on point this game

Pretty much I kinda smash,crashed and somehow lynched scum.

[Garmr]

The modding in this game was superb. Through the set up needs to be looked at.

[Garmr]

I also think town got caught up on power roles being real or not.

If it was just titus's role and 1 of hikarai or lockes/unabombers then I feel like this game would of been more balanced.

[Garmr]

when are we getting the scum thread

[Garmr]

It's mostly just me putting up gifs of busses

That sounds awesome.