Mini Normal 2066: Catloaves [Game Over!]

Eragon · Post Post #210 (isolation #0) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:45 pm

ITs basically midnight here and im still writing an essay

I'll read the game tomorrow

I just wanted to replace into chibi's game with cats, so i havent been following

Eragon · Post Post #233 (isolation #1) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:44 pm

ok ill be catching up now

Eragon · Post Post #237 (isolation #2) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:51 pm

Spoiler:

Eragon · Post Post #240 (isolation #3) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:01 pm

In post 50, nomnomnom wrote:It's like "out of all the people you could vote you pick that one person you know! Why???"

this is...
normal?
at least when i play
its common to vote people you recognize

In post 54, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 52, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 50, nomnomnom wrote:It's like "out of all the people you could vote you pick that one person you know! Why???"
Personally, I can understand it. Like, if I know someone, I might get a better read off of an early interaction with them than with someone I have no framework for.

What do you think about Locke having three votes on him?

alternatively if you have any thoughts on anything, I'd take those. It's early, and I'm just looking to get inside your head. It doesn't matter what about.
Well, I like your logic and questions so far. It feels genuine. I think what you're asking is good for town in general, and it's putting me at ease to have someone ask me what I think since it's my first game in here. I'm feeling strong town vibes from you.

As for the Locke vote, I feel like not_mafia getting on that BW with a joke feels odd, so I am keeping my vote on him. No thoughts about the other two since they feel much more random.

why does it feel odd to hop on a wagon with a joke on page 1?

In post 74, Locke113 wrote:
In post 26, Alacrity wrote:Good morning! I look forward to playing with all of you today. =)

VOTE: insomnia

In post 29, themilkcartonkid wrote:VOTE: lovebird because I dont know anyone else
Like half the players in this game had already voted at this point and neither of you voted on someone with a vote already on them. Just why?

Seriously, more wagons with more than 1 vote please, need to turn up the heat in here

In post 50, nomnomnom wrote:It's like "out of all the people you could vote you pick that one person you know! Why???"

In post 54, nomnomnom wrote: Well, I like your logic and questions so far. It feels genuine. I think what you're asking is good for town in general, and it's putting me at ease to have someone ask me what I think since it's my first game in here. I'm feeling strong town vibes from you.
Hmmmm
In post 56, u r a person 2 wrote: Should I jump on locke with you?
Do you usually ask for permission to join a wagon?

I think all the RvS votes are kinda NAI, every once in a while theres one that seems ai, but in general most are just jokes,
also, i dont think its weird that they voted people not with votes on them already?

whats hmmmm?

Eragon · Post Post #252 (isolation #4) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:30 pm

Spoiler:

In post 81, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 77, nomnomnom wrote:Did you join my wagon simply to increase its size or do you have read-related reasons? You have reacted to my posts after voting me.

-Question’s whether vote has reasons
-Immedkately states that saw reasons, but tried to discredit them for non-reason.

uhh literally the only reasoning was

"hmmmmm"

so i dont think thats "discrediting for non-reason"

(or should i say, 'nom-reason')

In post 83, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 30, nomnomnom wrote:Voting the only person you know?
Isn't that a bit counter-intuitive?
Pointless question with some fluff added on from nervous-scum.

wheres the fluff?

I disagree with nom, but i feel its a valid question if on their homesite that normally doesnt happen

In post 89, u r a person 2 wrote:I'm liking roster for town I think

posts are bold and strong, like one with dinosaurs in their genes

which posts are "strong"

and how is being bold a towntell? scum can easily be bold

In post 93, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 79, rosterfoster wrote:I’ve played with town URAP before. Tone was similar.

Can we all just lynch nomnom?
okay this is the only one that's actually bold and strong on its own, but the whole iso,

-slapping down an rvs vote
-reaffirming that vote and calling for a lynch by post 80ish
-and then slapping down three reasons (whether you agree with them or not)

I consider it bold

fair
but again, why is being "Bold" neccesarily towny?

In post 99, nomnomnom wrote:I feel something is off with the way urap and roster interact. Like, way off. I don't like this.

can you expand on this?

In post 102, nomnomnom wrote:I can't exactly put it into words but like, having someone be like

"This person is scum here are the three posts that prove it pls lynch right now pls pls pls" a hundred posts in the game then have someone say
"VERY BOLD AND BRAVE! LET'S LYNCH THEM RIGHT NOW EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE BEST PLAY IN MY MIND!"

is just weird. I literally can't describe it any other way than exaggerating the posts, but yeah, I feel something's wrong in there.

i agree roster's posts are not great

but i didn't think thats what URAP meant
i thought that URAP meant that he didn't want you quicklynched, but was currently(right now) happy with you being lynched

In post 104, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 98, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 97, u r a person 2 wrote:But I'm game to see nom hammered right now, yeah.
Why? If it's not the best play.
Sometimes its fun to buck the system and just let let loose, man

Are you picking up what I'm putting down, PP?

oh wait
were you serious about wanting nom lynched like, now.

In post 117, nomnomnom wrote:Okay I wanna lay down my thoughts rn because a lot is going through my head after a quick rereading.

- urap has felt a lot less like town these last messages. Not sure what that would say about roster though.
- Really haven't liked Alac's messages on second read, especially that interaction with PP. Rubs me the wrong way.
- I honestly can't read PP. He's fairly non-committal and asks a lot of questions, but I'm not confident on placing my final thoughts on him just yet.
- I like Locke after hearing him today.

I'm hesitating between an urap and insomnia vote, right now.

i like this post
i personally disagree about URAP, and think roster is the scummier, but overall this is p.towny imo

In post 124, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 122, nomnomnom wrote:Alac, do you appear every time someone mentions your name or how does it work? Weird timing
We call that Betelgeuse.

bagel crusts

Eragon · Post Post #260 (isolation #5) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:50 pm

ehhhh ran out of time and its late

will finish catching up tomorrow

Eragon · Post Post #351 (isolation #6) » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:39 pm

i have very limited computer access and im on a weekend vacation rn

ill finish cat catching up on Monday

poor planning skills ftfw

Eragon · Post Post #589 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:26 am

hi i literally forgot this site was a thing

ill be back tonight

Eragon · Post Post #606 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:39 pm

tfw you actually have time to play FM

\0/

im saying fuck it to reading the thread and im just gonna iso dive everyone and then probably read the last 3 pages

Eragon · Post Post #608 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:42 pm

Eragon · Post Post #610 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:48 pm

life

._.

Eragon · Post Post #656 (isolation #11) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:25 pm

almost there only 2 more ISO's

i literally fell asleep last night while reading
will be finishing tonight

Eragon · Post Post #657 (isolation #12) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:19 pm

TheMilkCartonKid:

null-scum

Overall, not super scummy, but some of their progression is a yikes and they do seem to be not very committing to their reads. I especially don’t like post 420(oh yikes) as it basically calls URAP out for town reading NM which is… a really bad reason to scum read someone.

Spoiler:

Nomnomnom-

Town lean.

Oh god so many posts to read. I’ll try to skim some, but I’m mostly going to try to get this read through RTI. Im kinda back and forth on this, I think overall they have just been projecting a very transparently villager-y mindset, and their posts are analytical/show perspective, but there are some things I strongly disagree against and I think are wolf, but not 100%. I do feel the town outweighs the scum, and that they are just getting focused on N_M’s play style instead of the game.

Spoiler:

-I didn’t exactly like their 30 about “voting the person you know” because I feel thats almost common sense, but if that doesn’t happen on their homesite then thats NAI
-I feel the way some of their thoughts come out just seems really towny. Specifically posts 99 and 102 just ping me as town trying to articulate a feeling they have. I know its hard for me sometimes to explain my gut, so I think this post was towny.
-117 what is “feels a lot less town”
-173 I personally don’t get as frustrated playing with N_M, because its expected, but I definitely understand this reaction and it feels natural.
-198 Its not SUPER common but it happens, yes. I don’t know what insomnia was doing, but I think he just felt like he wasn’t being heard and just like, not enjoying the game, which I totally understand. I don’t think(and hope) that the replace out wasn’t strategic.
-276 I just post my catchup in chronological order so I do often quote answers to questions I asked ._, but it just sometimes helps me get a flow of the game when theres not really that much content, like with 9-10 pages. Other than that it starts to just feel like busy-work and I don’t get a good read because I’m just rushing through it. Hence resorting to ISO diving instead of reading 20 pages.
-285 a replace out shouldn’t change your read. Also, in a game on my homesite I accurately called a newbie town in their first couple posts because they were actively trying to solve and they made a readlist. Im extending the same tell here, albeit on a lesser point because its later into the game and also they aren’t fully new. But its there nonetheless
-345 are you beginning to see the true greatness of N_M??
-One thing I REALLY don’t like from them is their reaction to N_M’s fake hammer. I personally think fake hammers are almost always pro-town(almost) and the fact that nom seemed defensive-ish about the “hammer” pings me. I strongly strongly disagree about it being anti-town, and whatever “obsufddsgsjcation” is fake-hammers are good when pulled off well.
-although I strongly disagree with the N_M push, I feel new!scum would have backed off after seeing other people push N_M as town
-other posts that I mostly skipped because I got bored

Lovebird/elsa jay- soulread Elsa town. More like

null

tho

Spoiler:

GrandWazoo-

scum lean

, I don’t like his reactions to the alt stuff and all those interactions around them. @GW have you ever played with alts before? Their read on alacrity being an “enigma” feels wish-washy and faked. Their reaction around their wagon shading the people on it felt bad, but the anger kinda felt natural, like being called out when you feel its false. Some AtE in there, and also the only thing giving me doubts is the stuff about scum doublevotes. I’m not giving him a town clear here just because it was so outrageous in the first place, but I’m arguing with my gut rn.

Spoiler:

URAP-

Town,

I really like their entrance, and I think it shows a lot more town!urap trying to pressure than scum!urap. I disagree on their roster read, but I feel that its a real read, and I think they are just towny. I’ve been mind-melding like a motherfucker with them and that also increases my townread on them so :^)

Spoiler:

Not_Mafia-

town lean,

you know fuck it, I’m not even quoting any of their posts because its simple. I like their first fake hammer, and it feels much more likely to come from town!NM than scum!NM. I can’t rule it out but this is a town slot for me rn. I’m not entirely sure I like their second re-vote on GW, because its already been shown they’ve tried to fake hammer so its kinda worthless, but this is getting into semantics. But yeah, fake hammer towny. ALSO SONGS ARE POETRY HELP SAVE THE PLANET

Alacrity-

null town,

I have some ping moments while reading, such as their overly nice tone(although this could be personality) and some other gaps. Some self-meta, but overall I think they have had some towny stuff and I agree with them on a lot, so its certainly not strong, but I think they have a better chance to flip town than not.

Spoiler:

 

Locke-conflicted,

null.

As previously stated, I did like their entrance, but they’ve also had very little explanations for their votes/reads, often even just having “hmmmm” or “!” As the reasoning. I feel they focus too much on what could be and what might be over what they THINK something is, which is the main basis of the confliction. Like the stuff about the replace out, they focus more on saying its “not towny” and “NAI” and trying to push that mindset instead of just expressing their read on it, be it town, scum, or NAI. Same thing basically happens with the wagon stuff. A couple things here and there, but I’m really conflicted on this.

Spoiler:

PP-

town lean

Its late and I don’t want to spend too much time reading 130 posts. I remember the one scum game I played With PP during the marathon he was kinda slank-y and actually ended up getting replaced, while in other town games he’s pretty clearly town, active, and penguin-y. Thats what I’m seeing this game. Im unsure if the other scum game is his usual, or if that was anomalous, but from my experience this is more likely town than scum.

Eragon · Post Post #658 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:21 pm

(URAP)
(PP, N_M, Nom)
(Alacrity)
(Locke, Elsa)
(TMCK)
(GW, Roster)

also just realize my roster read got combined with tmck read

Roster:

Scum lean,

While I like the fact that they look like they’re trying to solve in the beginning, the tunnel on LHF does seem opportunistic, and to me it looks like Roster is just pulling reads out of their ass with town reads on PP and Alacrity. I explained further below, but their posts are very spread and I just don’t see them being focused on real scum hunting.
-32 and 79 to [/post] 83[/post] are all literally just tunneling nom^3, which I do find opportunistic, but at the same time Roster is posting multiple reasons thinking nom is scum. I’ve already talked about the reasons themselves so no reason to bring that up again, I disagree with them, but I think its towny that Roster is trying to solve.  -163 can you elaborate on like, any of these reads as you haven’t mentioned any of these players except for nom up until now. additionaly, I know its not a scumclaim, but why do you assume that “I do believe newbies are good to keep around since they usually improve their game later on and you can figure them out more easily.” Would be a scum claim in the first place?
-165uhhh that was like, not at all what the post was about? He said that he thought nom was newbscum. Yes. He then said he thought its better to keep newbies around for multiple reasons. Yes. He then said that he thinks Locke is scum, and gave reasons. Yes. He then voted locke. yes. There was nothing about a “counterwagon”
-181 Or he’s just solving the game(!)
-211 what was your reasoning behind this post? I have some things I’m mulling over about your intentions but I want to hear it from you. -386 what changed from “DK if I’ve missed anything but I couldn’t see a reason for Grandwazoo vote? Please tell.” Except GW trying to get alacrity to out? And then just saying  “nah I don’t really want to talk about it, but that was just a super BS reason and its bad” which… going by your own logic… is a bs reason?
-415 where the fuck was this progression? Early on you thought URAP was town, fair. And reads do change, yes, fair. But what happened in between? You didn’t show any thought process that shows a change from “towny tone” to “this is actually scum”

Eragon · Post Post #659 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:24 pm

uhh

i really should've spoilered that

@chibi send halp plox

Done, hope this is ok!

Eragon · Post Post #661 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:44 pm

i dont like to do full association reads until after i see flips
so i could see them being TvS
but i think they are both individually scummy
i don't think putting someone to L-1 then switching off is AI at all anyways

Eragon · Post Post #662 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:44 pm

also thanks @chibi

Eragon · Post Post #663 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:47 pm

basically what im saying

I'll take it into consideration
but wont act on it until after i see flips

Eragon · Post Post #740 (isolation #18) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:42 pm

In post 673, rosterfoster wrote:Eragon makes common read for scum, ergo Eragon is town.

Seems legit.

??
expand

In post 678, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 676, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 670, Elsa Jay wrote:VOTE: GrandWazoo

He (Eragon) correctly null-read me for my actions today. So I am fine with the demise of the Wazoo of Grand proportions.

Imma shoot Roster tonight btw.
lol, speaking of the devil

I didn't know "correctly reading you" was a free pass to avoiding your wrath.

I have a method of being selectively scummy and seeing who jumps for the bait or who ignores such obviously scummy behavior. It catches scum quite often. 70% success rate.

>purposefully being scummy
Omegalul

In post 682, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 677, themilkcartonkid wrote:I havent fully thought through any one of these but alacrity or roster seem the best to me. Thoughts anyone?
This is basically what I'm going with.

Elsa Jay wrote:70% success rate.
If you could take a plane for free but it had a 30% to explode mid-air would you take it

depends on where the plane is going to. If its a normal flight, nah, but if its a once in a life-time trip to France or something, why not.

In post 697, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 691, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 676, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 670, Elsa Jay wrote:VOTE: GrandWazoo

He (Eragon) correctly null-read me for my actions today. So I am fine with the demise of the Wazoo of Grand proportions.

Imma shoot Roster tonight btw.
lol, speaking of the devil

I didn't know "correctly reading you" was a free pass to avoiding your wrath.
VOTE: Elsa Jay
Okay so as much as I dislike his way of playing I ACTUALLY like this vote here. Extremely meaningful even if it doesn't consolidate wagons. I'll give credit where it's due

My Sarcasm Sensor @tm is going bonkers right now

In post 699, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 698, PenguinPower wrote:How is it meaningful?
well I don't know, it kinda speaks to me, a vote is worth more than a thousand words right?

Like he's voting Elsa and specifically quoting people as a way to express his thoughts. His other votes didn't make much sense to me but this one REALLY does. That's how I see it.

i dont see how it makes "THAT MUCH SENSE" its still a naked vote whatever way you look at it, It has more meaning than some of his other stuff, but its not like, "crazy"

In post 704, Locke113 wrote:Clearly. Since we're all listing our wacky conspiracy theories, could I interest any of you in the holy word of our Saviour, Flubar King of the Mole-Men?

scorbunny is better than grookie

fight me

Eragon · Post Post #741 (isolation #19) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:46 pm

In post 711, themilkcartonkid wrote:Alacrity is a better vote than GW I think VOTE: alacrity

disagree. Why do you think alacrity is scummier?

In post 712, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Not_mafia

We should actually just Lynch this.

Like I know what he's doing is NAI but I can't stand it.

._.

>pushing a lurker that is known for being a lurker and knows its NAI
>instead of pushing scumreads
>???
>Profit!

In post 713, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 712, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Not_mafia

We should actually just Lynch this.

Like I know what he's doing is NAI but I can't stand it.
So let me get this straight, when I'm like "SCREW THIS COW" earlier on because he wasn't contributing, everyone is shrugging and everything but once he starts doing something reasonable people say stuff like this?
What??

"Screw this cow" lmao

In post 716, rosterfoster wrote:DW penguin I'll Lynch GW IRL tomorrow.

oh. ok. damn.

In post 717, Alacrity wrote:Good morning everyone! I have a new reads list for you!

nomnomnom is town!
u r a person 2 is town!
Not_Mafia is town!
Eragon is probably town!
rosterfoster is slightly town!
PenguinPower is slightly town!
Elsa Jay is null!
Locke113 is slightly scum!
GrandWazoo is scum!
themilkcartonkid is scum!

can you explain roster?

In post 724, PenguinPower wrote:I'm a snarky penguin. I make no apologies.

you got that snark like penguinager

In post 728, PenguinPower wrote:Way too many vanity wagons for end of day.

End of day rushed wagons benefit scum.

Make a decision or I will be snarky to you for the rest of the game (@ everyone).

UNVOTE: Locke

im going to look at vc and make a decision once im caught up

Eragon · Post Post #742 (isolation #20) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:56 pm

In post 730, Elsa Jay wrote:Is it murder time? I love murder.
I'm even commiting it tonight.

Lets vote Wazoo folks.

In post 733, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 732, PenguinPower wrote:Why are you so certain they are town?
It's not that I think they're town, it's that I think the wagon is scum driven/has scum on it. Big difference.

1) theres a thing called bussing, in the first place. I don't think thats whats going on but its a thing
2)the wagon currently is URAP/PP/Elsa. which out of these do you think is scum? I know you've expresses a sr on urap/alacrity as a team, but do you think either PP or elsa are scum?

In post 737, Elsa Jay wrote:The lynch on Elsa has been objected on account of NotMaf already attempting to vote there first without prompt, therefore that automatically makes her town.

In post 738, GrandWazoo wrote:Finally got a chance to read Eragon catch up. Reminds me of when I'd turn in a massive term paper 2 hrs before it's due, knowing the prof had neither time nor desire to read the damn thing. It's got lots of content, and lots of footnotes, it must be good!

Alas, his SR on me centers almost entirely on the Alacrity-alt business, which I dropped literally 15 pages ago and have no intention of revisiting. Is this a scummy push? More to the point, would scum continue to bang on at length about this, thereby drawing unwanted attention? Or is this more likely to come from a bullheaded town? I mean, I ask myself this all the time and it's usually the latter.

As I explained elsewhere, "Riff" means a joke in this context.

It was Nathan Hale, not Nathaniel Greene, who said "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country."

I agree with most of these townreads, with the exception of Elsa and NM. Evidently to get townread by Eragon your playstyle must either be "fun" or YOLO. NM is unlynchable it seems. Elsa's ISO is really bad.

VOTE: Elsa

i will admit, that is a larger part of the scumlean, but thats not saying there isn't other reasons.
15 pages ago is like, close to the start of the game ._.

ok about "riff"

goddamn i knew it was a nathan

i don't townread elsa. I said i soulread them but logically they are null.

In post 739, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 738, GrandWazoo wrote:Reminds me of when I'd turn in a massive term paper 2 hrs before it's due, knowing the prof had neither time nor desire to read the damn thing.
Why? There has been plently of time to read what he said...

In post 738, GrandWazoo wrote:I mean, I ask myself this all the time and it's usually the latter.
So...he's just town then?

In post 738, GrandWazoo wrote:Elsa's ISO is really bad.
*cue headbashing gif*

Why?

i think the second one is about himself and his push on alacrity for the alt stuff?

Eragon · Post Post #743 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:15 pm

because N_M is in this game :3

Intent to L-1 GrandWazoo

Eragon · Post Post #760 (isolation #22) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:48 am

Hammer hammer

I have fire in my eyes

Eragon · Post Post #762 (isolation #23) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:50 am

Would it be animal abuse to steal N_M’s hammer?

But if I’m a raven, then how can an animal abuse an animal

:3

Eragon · Post Post #814 (isolation #24) » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:34 pm

SP

gonna go analyze some GW spew.

alacrity confirmed town btw

Eragon · Post Post #816 (isolation #25) » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:43 pm

In post 282, GrandWazoo wrote:
In post 277, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 242, GrandWazoo wrote:Enigmas are scum. Alacrity remains an enigma.

VOTE: Alacrity
Urap does have a point: strange to vote this when you gave intent on Insom.
Reading is hard.

This is what I said.

In post 194, GrandWazoo wrote:Declare intent to put Insomnia L-1. What this world is coming to

Alacrity is an enigma. I don't like enigmas. Stuff like their unvote and 142 ping me.
Urap and Nomnom conveniently ignore the second sentence of this post. My vote on Alacrity is not "strange" as it only reiterates and reinforces a pre-existing read. If y'all could stop misrepping me that would be great.

this post shades both URAP and nom, and considering that URAP flipped town I feel that nom is more likely than not town here.

In post 364, GrandWazoo wrote:Ok I'll drop the alt business since it seems NAI here.

Nomnom & Urap still haven't addressed 282

see above post, groups nom/URAP
this ones a lot weaker, especially because its simply a request, but basically same as above

In post 432, GrandWazoo wrote:I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.

And no Urap I didn't think I was hammered. I may be a prick but I'm not an idiot lol

this shade on alacrity and NM gives them both town points

In post 582, GrandWazoo wrote:in b4 NM lolhammers

This is still a lazy ass wagon

does GW says this about a buddy? i say more than likely not.

In post 616, GrandWazoo wrote:
In post 586, u r a person 2 wrote:GW, what are your reads at this point?

I agree that the flow of this game feels odd, but the argument that it means this wagon must be scum driven because I'm on it is not compelling fmpov (lol)

If not GW, I think I want Eragon, Jay, or Locke today
My townbloc is Urap, pp, nomnom and MCK. Scum Alac, Locke and Roster. Everyone else null.

going by rules of 3(or 4, as rumour has it) theres 1 scum in (URAP, PP, nom, MCK) and no more than 1 scum in (Alac, locke, roster)
going by reads that means 1 scum in (MCK) and no more than one 1 scum in (Locke, roster)

plus the nulls but that comes after.

In post 655, GrandWazoo wrote:MCK: You should share your theories now. They may be rejected or mocked, but at least they will generate discussion. Apathy really is killing this game.

Talking to someone telling them to generate discussion with theories. could be w/w

In post 738, GrandWazoo wrote:Finally got a chance to read Eragon catch up. Reminds me of when I'd turn in a massive term paper 2 hrs before it's due, knowing the prof had neither time nor desire to read the damn thing. It's got lots of content, and lots of footnotes, it must be good!

Alas, his SR on me centers almost entirely on the Alacrity-alt business, which I dropped literally 15 pages ago and have no intention of revisiting. Is this a scummy push? More to the point, would scum continue to bang on at length about this, thereby drawing unwanted attention? Or is this more likely to come from a bullheaded town? I mean, I ask myself this all the time and it's usually the latter.

As I explained elsewhere, "Riff" means a joke in this context.

It was Nathan Hale, not Nathaniel Greene, who said "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country."

I agree with most of these townreads, with the exception of Elsa and NM. Evidently to get townread by Eragon your playstyle must either be "fun" or YOLO. NM is unlynchable it seems. Elsa's ISO is really bad.

VOTE: Elsa

this vote on elsa trying to swing a CFD also looks good on elsa

town spew-Nom, alacrity,
soft town spew-NM, elsa
likely scum-TMCK

more than likely one scum in (locke, roster), assuming GW was soft distancing from one partner while scumreading two town
rule of 3's

Eragon · Post Post #817 (isolation #26) » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:43 pm

In post 815, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 814, Eragon wrote:SP

gonna go analyze some GW spew.

alacrity confirmed town btw
How is Ala confirmed? Also high five for hanging scum day 1. Sad that the basically cop died n1 in return though.

Anyone got neighborized by URAP?)

have you not read GW's posts?

i shouldn't have to explain this

Eragon · Post Post #818 (isolation #27) » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:45 pm

ok, so unless GW put 4 town in his townblock, TMCK basically has to be scum

i townread PP and nomnom hard

Urap is dead town

all thats left ist TMCK

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

Mod note: Vote has been edited from 'TMCK' to 'themilkcartonkid'.

Eragon · Post Post #819 (isolation #28) » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:49 pm

TOWN BLOCK

Eragon
Alacrity

Nigh before townblock

Pengu
Nom

Town

NM
Elsa

One scum in

Roster
Locke

Scum

TMCK

Eragon · Post Post #820 (isolation #29) » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:51 pm

if anyone really wants me to analyze how alacrity is confirmed town, i will

but if you even just skim GW's iso its blindingly obvious they are never w/w

Eragon · Post Post #821 (isolation #30) » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:02 pm

also

milk going

"but the claiiiiim"

and in his next post hammering shows lack of real progression

Eragon · Post Post #822 (isolation #31) » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:45 pm

I think that i can fly
that i can touch the sky

Eragon · Post Post #908 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:18 am

prepare thyselves

Spoiler:

catching up rn

Eragon · Post Post #909 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:24 am

In post 823, Locke113 wrote:Scum is either Eragon or milk or both. Despite claiming intent to join the wagon multiple times and saying he scumread GW, Eragon didn't put GW at L-1 nor did he hammer. Seen scum pull this trick before were they claimed intent to hammer without much time left on the clock to try and wait out the timer. And the whole GW pushing the alac wagon as an alternative to Eragon's with some piss poor reasoning, even though he claimed he still scumread Insomnia/Eragon.

Milk did join the wagon, multiple times, but kept trying to undermine it or start different wagons to draw attention away, such as trying to vote up Alac and The Penguin of all people. Also even when it was clear there was no way GW wasn't getting out of day 1 alive no matter what he claimed, he still tried to use the excuse of waiting for the claim to not hammer, which if he had been let off for, GW could have just never claimed as there wasn't much time left.

VOTE: Eragon

I already stated my reasons for not putting to L-1, because i didn't want a hammer at that time, and NM wasnt on the wagon

And the second time when i did the "animal abuse stuff" i mistimed my school's break period and had to go to class before anyone else responded.

anyways, do we not have plurality this game?
its something that i normally just assume, because im used to having it, but i realized i never checked lol.

In post 824, themilkcartonkid wrote:Alacrity conftown. I noticed that town split into pairs. Lock and roster, me and nom, urap and alac, pp and Elsa. N-m grandwazoo and eragon never really had anyone they gelled with. I dont think alac kills the only one who was agreeing with their reads

what even

i agree alacrity is confirmed town

but this is NOT the reason alacrity is conf town. anyways thats not true, i kinda melded with urap on a majority, but not all.

people kill people with similar reads all the time, it helps lock those reads "in stone" and you can use the fact that "Scum killed b/c accurate" reason to push

In post 825, themilkcartonkid wrote:
In post 821, Eragon wrote:also

milk going

"but the claiiiiim"

and in his next post hammering shows lack of real progression
This is disingenuous, read the posts in between

yes, you didn;t have any posts in between

i saw the other people posting. But you didn't comment, and just hammered without changing "your opinion" in thread.

if your belief is to have GW to claim, i'd expect you to have more to say than "/vote Grandwazoo"

Eragon · Post Post #910 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:28 am

In post 826, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 364, GrandWazoo wrote:Ok I'll drop the alt business since it seems NAI here.

Nomnom & Urap still haven't addressed 282

I feel like this post happened because of a partner telling him to stop. 3 people doing this were URAP, Nom and Locke.

or it was everyone in thread pushing back on him and him finally realizing it was bad?
i dont think this occured because someone specific told him to stop.

In post 831, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 738, GrandWazoo wrote:Finally got a chance to read Eragon catch up. Reminds me of when I'd turn in a massive term paper 2 hrs before it's due, knowing the prof had neither time nor desire to read the damn thing. It's got lots of content, and lots of footnotes, it must be good!

Alas, his SR on me centers almost entirely on the Alacrity-alt business, which I dropped literally 15 pages ago and have no intention of revisiting. Is this a scummy push? More to the point, would scum continue to bang on at length about this, thereby drawing unwanted attention? Or is this more likely to come from a bullheaded town? I mean, I ask myself this all the time and it's usually the latter.

As I explained elsewhere, "Riff" means a joke in this context.

It was Nathan Hale, not Nathaniel Greene, who said "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country."

I agree with most of these townreads, with the exception of Elsa and NM. Evidently to get townread by Eragon your playstyle must either be "fun" or YOLO. NM is unlynchable it seems. Elsa's ISO is really bad.

VOTE: Elsa
Vote on Elsa without reasons. IDK whether this is more likely to be a bus or not, so I’ll just leave it.

definitely town points. There was some momentum(not much) on elsa, but pushing the other wagon gives possiblity of a switch, and i don't think scum risks that
i dont lock town elsa for it, but definite town points.

In post 836, rosterfoster wrote:A traitor would know the mafia but the mafia wouldn’t know them, so I’m more comfortable with saying that just Locke has these asdociatives.

VOTE: Locke

but didn't you bring up multiple points from Grandwazoo -> locke that showed w/w??

Eragon · Post Post #911 (isolation #35) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:33 am

In post 845, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 841, themilkcartonkid wrote:
In post 839, nomnomnom wrote:VOTE: roster

Your latest posts make me think you have scum information to say all of this, and it's visible in your wording choices in particular.
Can you point some out please
Roster was really assertive on day 1. A lot of certainties in their posts, a lot of confidence and general pushing a lot their convictions without much doubt. That really stood out to me even if it kind of stopped near the end of that day.

Then today you have this kind of post.
rosterfoster wrote:
In post 364, GrandWazoo wrote:Ok I'll drop the alt business since it seems NAI here.

Nomnom & Urap still haven't addressed 282

I
feel like
this post happened because of a partner telling him to stop. 3 people doing this were URAP, Nom and Locke.

rosterfoster wrote:
In post 432, GrandWazoo wrote:I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.

And no Urap I didn't think I was hammered. I may be a prick but I'm not an idiot lol
I
think
this means NM isn’t scum.

rosterfoster wrote:
In post 405, Locke113 wrote:
In post 392, rosterfoster wrote:It's such a bs reason to start pushing someone.

There's standard bs reasons, and there's that.
UNVOTE: GrandWazoo
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with GW at L-1 for a reason this weak, it's like the least scum-indicative thing about GW
I also
feel like
this is trying to stop the GW lynch. From memory I was comfortable going to L-1 because NM was already on the wagon.

rosterfoster wrote:
In post 625, Locke113 wrote:Well then I'm fine with helping start the Insomnia/Eragon wagon back up again, after all my read on GW is mainly based off the possibility of him being Insomnia's scum partner so why not find out whether Insomnia/Eragon is scum first

VOTE: Eragon
‘My read is based on being Insomnia’s scum partner’
seems
untrue to me.
Like if you read all of these you can see that a lot of it is speculation and that those lead to a Locke vote. The only post that isn't like this is the one calling Alacrity conftown.
There's also their post about a traitor, when I read it I was like "huh why are you mentioning a traitor all of a sudden".

So I think this either means that Roster is using scum information and that those are written as "feelings" (which is uncharacteristic considering his early game) or this means that it's a lot of additional nonsense to justify their Locke vote. This is scum either way.

mafia is literally a game of speculation

i do see the tone shift but i know i can get very confident on some things and very not confident on other things

In post 846, Locke113 wrote:
In post 844, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 837, Locke113 wrote:Why does it seem untrue when I literally only started looking for other scum besides Insomnia based off the idea that they acted like they might be his scum partner?

In post 387, Locke113 wrote:His actions don't make sense to me from a town perspective, especially with his lack of fearing a quickhammer and the fact he was properly scumreading Insomnia. Like this explanation just seems fishy asf to me
Tells me that you had independent from being Insomnia's partner.
How does that dispute me saying I
mainly
based my scumread of him off of the idea he was Insomnia/Eragon's scum parter

basing reads in general off of pre-flip associations is wolfy

In post 854, rosterfoster wrote:Do you think I actually thought you'd get lynched? Maybe it's because you're inexperienced, but that sort of lynch never goes through.

thats actually false i've seen multiple D1 lynches that should never have happened early because lol

but i do agree with the theory

In post 856, rosterfoster wrote:Nom I never actually scumread people D1.

yikes

how can you say this, and yet call Locke out for "lying" about his reads.

you most certainly did scumread people, and if you have 1000IQ plays scumreading people in thread but not thinking their scum then...

well...

i dont know what to say

Eragon · Post Post #912 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:37 am

In post 861, Locke113 wrote:In post 506, ChibiBear wrote:

uhh ok?

isnt this what Roster said?

In post 865, rosterfoster wrote:Since scum would almost certainly never pair that in main chat.

uhh what?

scum definitely would engage that with their buddy.

even with or without daychat

they can push back for associations, they can push to stop GW from talking about it, they can push to look townier, theres every reason to engage in thread with grandwazoo as a buddy, when the push is something that bad, as going after someone for not outing their alt

In post 869, PenguinPower wrote:One scum here;

{Alacrity, nomnomnom, themilkcartonkid}

One scum here:

{Locke113, rosterfoster, Eragon}

Is where I'm at right now.

If roster is scum, nom is likely scum as well.

why roster/nom?

i actually think that they are almost never SvS based off Roster's quick bussing(were that the scenario) and their recent interactions

im more looking at Locke/TMCK or Roster/TMCK

Eragon · Post Post #913 (isolation #37) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:39 am

In post 870, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 867, PenguinPower wrote:

Yes, the guy who led the eod push on scum is scum.

Don't be bad.
Also true.

I’m kind of 50/50 over Milk or Elsa, but Eragon makes sense to be scum off the wagon.

explain why you think im scum?

In post 871, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 868, themilkcartonkid wrote:Can you expound on this please?
Scum tells Wazoo in scumchat to stop the alt thing IMO and says nothing in main chat to try to take the attention away from the situation.

or they shut down the conversation in thread, and shut it down quicker than GW going, "oh i was probably dumb" with no reasoning or pushing during that.

Eragon · Post Post #915 (isolation #38) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:41 am

In post 880, Locke113 wrote:
In post 870, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 867, PenguinPower wrote:

Yes, the guy who led the eod push on scum is scum.

Don't be bad.
Also true.

I’m kind of 50/50 over Milk or Elsa, but Eragon makes sense to be scum off the wagon.
Then join me on the Eragon wagon, we've got cookies

why do

you

scumread me?

other than me not being on the final wagon?

In post 881, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Eragon

Sure.

explain

In post 882, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 879, rosterfoster wrote:So is there some reason, or what? Becuse every other living player except Elsa and NM is in there I think.
Ah, sorry. NM should be included to, and even though I have Alacrity included I don't really think he's scum.

Really, it's probably just one in nom/milk

and then one in everyone else off the wagon.

i agree

In post 884, Alacrity wrote:I believe you all are forgetting about this slot! =)

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

certainly havent forgotten about them lul

strong scum

Eragon · Post Post #918 (isolation #39) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:44 am

In post 890, themilkcartonkid wrote:Okay cool, I guess you're just going to ignore that then. Also PP, I expect better of you. You're not an idiot, stop voting like one

oh jesus save the AtE

In post 898, themilkcartonkid wrote:How could you look at twilight and vote me?
Pedit, uh, should I claim?
Pedit 2 okay then

cryptic-ness gets you nowhere

In post 902, themilkcartonkid wrote:The threat, my response, and Elsas response. Plus nom not getting it

cryptic-ness still gets you nowhere, andf actually hurts your case.

Eragon · Post Post #920 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:46 am

spicy

shake it to make it

Eragon · Post Post #922 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:50 am

Frankly, i dont trust that claim at all. Its a very safe claim, because "disloyal roleblocker" literally just means that he can only roleblock scum. In game, thats ridiculously overpowered with no risk. I feel it just has too much power, along with a LOYAL NEIGHBORIZER(Which is both a full cop and a neighborizer) and Elsa's claim, so Im probably gonna keep my Your in pretty good standing rn, your associations look pretty good and just dont lolhammer, and you should do fine tbhote on TMCK

Eragon · Post Post #925 (isolation #42) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:57 am

In post 923, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 919, themilkcartonkid wrote:I figured if you're bluffing (and I'm almost certain) I either blocked a kill or special role for mafia or did nothing.
Well I assumed claiming would make a scum roleblocker target me n1 to make me waste my shot, so obviously I didn't do that. And then you suddenly claim to RB me. Disloyal or otherwise, I have no reason to trust you.

Frankly the fact a LOYAL neighborizor flips and a Disloyal Roleblocker claims, honestly I should be conf town at this point.

Will take suggestions on who to shoot tonight.

Pedit: Yeah I'm getting the idea to shoot the "town" roleblocker who targetted the vigilante.

did you get notified of being roleblocked?

or would people in general be notified?

Eragon · Post Post #928 (isolation #43) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:01 pm

In post 927, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 925, Eragon wrote:or would people in general be notified?
No.

ok ty

Eragon · Post Post #930 (isolation #44) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:05 pm

Spoiler: Just chillin

Eragon · Post Post #932 (isolation #45) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:07 pm

thats supposed to say

"Frankly, i dont trust that claim at all. Its a very safe claim, because "disloyal roleblocker" literally just means that he can only roleblock scum. In game, thats ridiculously overpowered with no risk. I feel it just has too much power, along with a LOYAL NEIGHBORIZER(Which is both a full cop and a neighborizer) and Elsa's claim, so Im probably gonna keep my vote on TMCK"

Eragon · Post Post #933 (isolation #46) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:07 pm

im too young to drink

;_;

Eragon · Post Post #969 (isolation #47) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:46 pm

Well, that was excessively boring

I liked the reactions from nom, first of all for calling it out and bringing it up, after multiple people missed/ignored it. It shows good attention to detail and actual drive to figure out motives.

I didn't like TMCK's reaction, it felt very very wish-washy, which i would expect from scum that knows its 100% fake. He starts off asking like, "wut" and then realizes and is like "ooooh" then he comes back and says, "but is it, idk, but it probably just is, but are you sure???"

Roster's reaction was kinda the same at first, but they realized it and they stuck with it strong, so thats slight town points

Notmafia didn't respond except vote lol

PP's reaction actually isn't that great. It doesnt really feel like he believed that i "slipped" with the quotations marks expressing doubt.

Elsa's reaction is fakeable as either alignment

Eragon · Post Post #971 (isolation #48) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:47 pm

it was indeed intended to look like wolf chat discussion

I was going for it looking believable with the mistake of "ctrl v" and "v"

my townread on Nom has solidifed

My scumread on TMCK has solidified

Roster/NM/Elsa stayed same basically, roster gained slight town points

PP actually dropped a little

Eragon · Post Post #973 (isolation #49) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:48 pm

In post 970, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 969, Eragon wrote:PP's reaction actually isn't that great. It doesnt really feel like he believed that i "slipped" with the quotations marks expressing doubt.
I don't.

what made you think that wasn't a slip?

Eragon · Post Post #974 (isolation #50) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:48 pm

In post 972, PenguinPower wrote:But I also don't like that you are playing it up as a reaction test.

i denoted that i was going to be doing spicy things

Eragon · Post Post #975 (isolation #51) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:49 pm

In post 908, Eragon wrote:prepare thyselves

Spoiler:

catching up rn

In post 920, Eragon wrote:spicy

shake it to make it

first post was "prepare thyselves" with an image of a ghost pepper

-spice

second one "shake up the thread"

Eragon · Post Post #981 (isolation #52) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:51 pm

In post 978, PenguinPower wrote:That post doesn't make sense to have a slip in the middle of it. That would actually take effort.

I'll give you a reaction test...but it was not well done.

I'll give you a very not well done reaction test

it was supposed to be a fake wolf convo that i had copied on my clipboard, and when i clicked "v" for the word "vote"

i would accidentally hit "ctrl v"

Eragon · Post Post #983 (isolation #53) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:53 pm

tbh i saw someone do it on MU and get 5 accurate reads from it

and then i was like, "sounds interesting, i should try it"

but reactions were meh

Eragon · Post Post #988 (isolation #54) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:58 pm

In post 986, themilkcartonkid wrote:Wait wait wait wait. Elsa didnt quickhammer despite thinking eragon is caught scum and then eragon comes back with "it was all just reaction" how incredibly lucky.

are you actually fucking serious?

its been about 24 fucking hours into the gameday

this shade is just so bad.

what town would quickhammer with this much time left in D2????

jesus fuck town cant be this bad. i refuse to believe it

Eragon · Post Post #989 (isolation #55) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:58 pm

thats such a fucking fake read

Eragon · Post Post #991 (isolation #56) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:04 pm

i never said i didn't realize me being lynched was extremely likely. I knew i was taking a risk, like all plays that win games

i expected to get some good reactions, and i didn't get the scale i wanted, but i confirmed some of my reads and nudged a few others.

thats not even the point of what i said.

Eragon · Post Post #993 (isolation #57) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:07 pm

It is unreasonable to expect someone to quickhammer <24 fucking hours into the second day

even if they think its a conf!scum lynch

Eragon · Post Post #995 (isolation #58) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:09 pm

"oh i've seen it happen before so if it doesn't happen in the same exact way they must both be scum"

seems very legit

not

Eragon · Post Post #997 (isolation #59) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:14 pm

let me put it this way

Do you still think it was an actual slip?

keep in mind the fact that i lead directly up to it with crumbs that i was going to do something spicy.

Eragon · Post Post #999 (isolation #60) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:15 pm

In post 984, PenguinPower wrote:Don't apply MU tactics here. Won't work.

apparantly i heavily under-estimated the skill of MS''ers

Eragon · Post Post #1000 (isolation #61) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:16 pm

In post 998, themilkcartonkid wrote:Yes. Those crumbs are so vague I cant even

how the fuck are the crumbs "vague"

literally the POST BEFORE THE "SLIP"

I SAID

"SHAKE IT TO MAKE IT"

implying shaking up the thread.

and pepper = spice

its obviously fucking planned out.

and on that matter, are crumbs not supposed to be somewhat vague? if its not vague then its not a crumb.

Eragon · Post Post #1002 (isolation #62) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:18 pm

To.

get.

reads.

and you weren't "about to get lynched" because we had fucking 11 days left in D2

Eragon · Post Post #1004 (isolation #63) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:20 pm

they happen.

but they aren't something to expect.

anyone advocating for a quicklynch at this point is wolfy af.

Eragon · Post Post #1005 (isolation #64) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:21 pm

If i expected a short day i'd go play discord mafia or a turbo somewhere

Eragon · Post Post #1040 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:24 am

In post 1007, Locke113 wrote:Ok so theres been a lot posted since I last posted so probably gonna multipost a fair bit here, apologies

Spoiler: Eragon
In post 912, Eragon wrote:
In post 861, Locke113 wrote:In post 506, ChibiBear wrote:
uhh ok?

isnt this what Roster said?
No, he thought that the scum partner had to be either me or Nom because we were telling him to back off in this thread when if his partner told him to back off, they could have done it outside of the thread
In post 743, Eragon wrote:because N_M is in this game :3

Intent to L-1 GrandWazoo

In post 760, Eragon wrote:Hammer hammer

I have fire in my eyes

In post 762, Eragon wrote:Would it be animal abuse to steal N_M’s hammer?

But if I’m a raven, then how can an animal abuse an animal

:3
Where is this previous explanation about why you didn't want to L-1 GW? Because in between this posts and 909 I see no previous explanation at all

understood

the explanation for not L-1'ing GW was so that there was no hammer until it was actually closer to EoD

In post 1008, Locke113 wrote:
In post 897, rosterfoster wrote:Ok I don’t actually object to this lynch but I’m not ready to end the day yet. You’re right.
But why aren't you ready my dude? When you find scum theres nothing wrong with ending the day a bit early, stops them weaseling their way out of this
In post 903, themilkcartonkid wrote:Town odd night disloyal roleblocker. I'm not going to be useful tonight anyway. Peace.

In post 904, Alacrity wrote:Who did you block?

In post 906, themilkcartonkid wrote:Elsa
What the fuck am I witnessing rn?
In post 922, Eragon wrote:Frankly, i dont trust that claim at all. Its a very safe claim, because "disloyal roleblocker" literally just means that he can only roleblock scum. In game, thats ridiculously overpowered with no risk. I feel it just has too much power, along with a LOYAL NEIGHBORIZER(Which is both a full cop and a neighborizer) and Elsa's claim, so Im probably gonna keep my Your in pretty good standing rn, your associations look pretty good and just dont lolhammer, and you should do fine tbhote on TMCK
Seriously, wtf is going on rn? Never seen such a blatant scumslip before. Also mechanically speaking his claim isn't unlikely just because its disloyal, the downside is the odd night part to balance it which I don't believe either Elsa or urap had so if the claim is true, then it does fit mechanically and isn't that OP
In post 930, Eragon wrote:
Spoiler: Just chillin
Sing, sing like there's nobody watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody listening
Sing, sing like there's nobody listening
Sing
I feel like I'm sinking, I feel like I'm reaching
For something that's out of my grasp, when I think I got it reality sinks in
On the dark side of the moon, just give me my space
'Cause I got a list of mistakes all written in ink I won't get to erase
If I counted my blessings, I could spend my whole life counting
'Cause truthfully nothing is too late to fix, be the Blackbird on the White Album
And if I have so much to say, then why would I pipe down then?
'Cause life's getting shorter and shorter, so sing for the moment right now then
It's times like this I feel I'm on the pavement
It's like my heart's so numb
Then I grab that book and turn the pages
And see how far I've come
And just sing, sing like there's nobody watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody listening
Sing, sing like there's nobody listening
Sing
I feel like I'm peaking, I become a beast when
I dig deep inside of myself and let it all out when I conquer these demons
It gives me the freedom, I'm breaking away from these chains
I'm embracing the change and finding the courage to face all this pain
Wealth gives help while the poor die young
It is what is, I won't hold my tongue
Dad died poor, what did that give me?
Strength inside, now the question lies
How you measure my value, I wonder
'Cause I've reached the clouds from the gutter
If it's by heart, then I'm breaking the bank
Add up what matters, now do the numbers
It's times like this I feel I'm on the pavement
It's like my heart's so numb
Then I grab that book and turn the pages
And see how far I've come
And just sing, sing like there's nobody watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody listening
Sing, sing like there's nobody listening
Sing
Like there's nobody listening, like there's nobody listening
Like there's nobody listening, but the whole world's watching
Like there's nobody listening, like there's nobody listening
Like there's nobody listening, but the whole world's watching
But the whole world's watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody listening
Sing, sing like there's nobody listening
Sing
Sing, sing like there's nobody watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody watching
Sing, sing like there's nobody listening
Sing, sing like there's nobody listening
Sing

:exactly:

Eragon · Post Post #1041 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:27 am

In post 1009, Locke113 wrote:
In post 956, PenguinPower wrote:He took the L-1 vote.

In post 960, themilkcartonkid wrote:Can we wait a bit longer. Seeing reactions plus trying to figure out the partner will be useful and I'd like to play as long as possible
No, we've already seen plenty of reactions, no need to give time for a wagon on scum to die out, again, like what happened twice D1
In post 966, PenguinPower wrote:Like...people are somewhat not remembering that I brought the dwindling lynch on GW back to GW and he flipped scum and that irritates me.
Its okay Pengu, I appreciate you
In post 969, Eragon wrote:Well, that was excessively boring

I liked the reactions from nom, first of all for calling it out and bringing it up, after multiple people missed/ignored it. It shows good attention to detail and actual drive to figure out motives.

I didn't like TMCK's reaction, it felt very very wish-washy, which i would expect from scum that knows its 100% fake. He starts off asking like, "wut" and then realizes and is like "ooooh" then he comes back and says, "but is it, idk, but it probably just is, but are you sure???"

Roster's reaction was kinda the same at first, but they realized it and they stuck with it strong, so thats slight town points

Notmafia didn't respond except vote lol

PP's reaction actually isn't that great. It doesnt really feel like he believed that i "slipped" with the quotations marks expressing doubt.

Elsa's reaction is fakeable as either alignment
lol "It was just a reaction test guys I swear"

dont fucking advocate a quickhammer please and thank you

>ignores the fact that i lead up to the reaction test slightly crumbing something
"Spicy"

In post 1011, Locke113 wrote:
In post 1004, Eragon wrote:they happen.

but they aren't something to expect.

anyone advocating for a quicklynch at this point is wolfy af.
There isn't anything inherently wrong with quicklynching, esp since in such a short time we got a lot of info to work with already, if we take too much time I guarantee this wagon will stall, which I get you don't want but you're scum so sorry but that would be a bad thing. Also just generally I don't see this need to use up the whole day unnecessarily

pedit
: also gl with all that Alac, its a interesting read

there is a fucking problem with quicklynching when the game is literally fucking confirmed

In post 1012, nomnomnom wrote:Eragon this game:

Eragon last page:

We have the AtE-god among us.

What the actual fuck is this game by the way, I can't even at this point

where is the AtE lmfao?

Eragon · Post Post #1042 (isolation #67) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:29 am

In post 1014, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 969, Eragon wrote:I liked the reactions from nom, first of all for calling it out and bringing it up, after multiple people missed/ignored it. It shows good attention to detail and actual drive to figure out motives.

Feels bad, but you messed up. Not going to work with me.

>Still ignores the fact its faked lol
>ignores the lead-up with multiple jokes that make no sense in any other context

In post 1015, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 972, PenguinPower wrote:But I also don't like that you are playing it up as a reaction test.

Desperate scum theatre methinks.

how is that post desperate in any way?

In post 1016, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 978, PenguinPower wrote:That post doesn't make sense to have a slip in the middle of it. That would actually take effort.

I'll give you a reaction test...but it was not well done.

Ok well obviously from your point of view it was.

???

Eragon · Post Post #1043 (isolation #68) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:32 am

In post 1017, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 986, themilkcartonkid wrote:Wait wait wait wait. Elsa didnt quickhammer despite thinking eragon is caught scum and then eragon comes back with "it was all just reaction" how incredibly lucky.

Neither did I. It doesn’t mean anything because there is always a chance it really was a reaction test so we should at least get reactions.

exactly.

In post 1018, Alacrity wrote:Oh, before I go for the day, I'd like to say one thing!

If you really look at the characters Eragon was typing both before and after the "slip", then try to use control alongside them, you might find something interesting. =)

That is pretty strong evidence it was done on purpose!

<3

In post 1021, rosterfoster wrote:I would believe your claim much more if you had said something like ‘Slip’ in the previous post, and believe me nobody would have noticed that until after your slip.

Pedit: If you’ve got something more than the ‘crumb’ then please share.

oh yes that totally makes sense

Eragon: "oh hey guys shake it up, slip, lol, xd, this is fun"

Eragon 1-post after: "fakes a scumslip for reactions"

thats never going to work, The whole fucking point of a crumb is to bring it up after the fact prove that its real, not to make it obvious what your doing beforehand

saying "slip" in the previous post is literally like saying "n0 Eragon" as a seer crumb

blatantly obvious

Eragon · Post Post #1046 (isolation #69) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:39 am

In post 1022, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 1008, Locke113 wrote:But why aren't you ready my dude? When you find scum theres nothing wrong with ending the day a bit early, stops them weaseling their way out of this
Oh I don’t know, when something like a scumslip happens and then you have a much clearer idea of scumteam s?

still agree here with roster lol

In post 1024, Locke113 wrote:Even if he did crumb shit, and it was a "reaction test", it still wouldn't make him town

@Roster:
I know, more interesting stuff happened after the post I quoted but thats kinda my point, the day is gonna drag out now and the wagon is gonna dissolve cause more people are gonna look back at his "reaction test" excuse and think well I didn't believe it at the time but maybe because the momentum is gone, my general point still stands

this is basically accurate. Its a risk/reward play. I've seen it used with game-solving reward. I was hoping to use it to absolutely lock my reads in, and i did get a couple of spicy reactions.
From a hypothetical point of view, it is indeed possible i used this as scum to gain towncred, but then whats the point of putting a bunch of attention and risk where it doesn't need to be. Whats the point of FAKING A SCUMSLIP as scum?

In post 1025, nomnomnom wrote:tbh even if that was a "calculated slip" him basically going full drama queen against milk over a point and going full WAAAAAAH after it on all of us is scum as hell, especially if said person is usually full radio silence when they're not catching up

yes im getting pissed off at milk

I never went "WAAAH" lmfao, and the majority of thread is fine.

and im not usually quiet, its just when life is a fuckihg bitch and gives me like no-time to be consistently active

stuff like yesterday is consistently normal for me, activity wise

Eragon · Post Post #1048 (isolation #70) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:42 am

In post 1026, rosterfoster wrote:Locke, that post was about hammering Milk no? Now I think it’s Eragon/Penguin. So we seem to have averted a mislynch if I’m right. Sometimes it’s not so bad for things to drag on.

the post was actually not about hammering milk.
it was supposed to be a general post directed to, yes, N_M, implied by the "lolhammer" portion.

i still don't know how you got anyone but N_M out of that with my inclusion of "lolhammer" lol

In post 1027, rosterfoster wrote:Yeah I agree about the huge AtE.

In any case I think Eragon should claim. I’m not voting because I don’t know the vote count but I’m not going to stay off this for very long.

Where's the "huge" AtE i might ask again?

im a vt. Not really worried about anything thats why i was willing to try such a risky play. If i could lock the game it would be worth it

Eragon · Post Post #1049 (isolation #71) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:48 am

In post 1032, rosterfoster wrote:Because Penguin was voting Milk at the time of the slip, which mentioned buddy voting Milk.

It never mentioned voting milk

it said

"JUST DONT LOLHAMMER"

In post 1039, themilkcartonkid wrote:Honestly, even if it was a reaction test, which I doubt. I think this should be policy lynched. I dont think eragon nor anyone else can actually read these responses. Everyone just confirmed what they already believed. It's also way too convenient and just for the futures sake I dont want scum to be able to pull off something like this on my watch.

LMFAO

'i dont even care if hes telling the truth and town just solving the game, he should be lynched anyones."

i can accurately read it most of the time, because I KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR

Scum know that its fake, so they get confused and make weird ass, fence-sitty posts

apparantly i'll have to go pull up some examples

Its "way too convienient" that i lead up to the "slip" with crumbs
ITs "Way too convienient" that i didn't notice that instead of typing "v," a whole passage just randomly appeared, and i still continued typing
Its "way too convienient" that i followed the exact process of someone i saw make this play on a different site, and basically solved the game.

Eragon · Post Post #1050 (isolation #72) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:49 am

In post 1045, rosterfoster wrote:Did you not notice the fact that I think 3 people overlooked your scumslip until it was pointed out? Nobody checks a few posts before for the word slip.

Also you never get good reactions out of this because scum knows it’s fake.

Btw if you flip town, I’m 100% sure Milk is scum for that policy lynch post alone.

see the above post

Eragon · Post Post #1052 (isolation #73) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:50 am

Wow that toatlly does.

Panther why did you leave instructions like that? WTF is going on.

this is a scum reaction to the fake slip

it doesn't make a stance

its wish-washy

its very unemotional and its just dry

and it just seems confused

Eragon · Post Post #1053 (isolation #74) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:51 am

.... where did the other stuff come from? It looks like copy paste from somewhere

It doesn't bother you that it literally looks like wolf chat instructions

It literally looks like wolf chat instructions for like Alette

these are seperate posts from a TOWN reaction

Eragon · Post Post #1054 (isolation #75) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:52 am

Actually holy $#@! that's 100% what that is

this is another, different person, with a town reaction

LOL, I can't not see it now.

HAHAHA PLEASE BE THAT

and another

Eragon · Post Post #1055 (isolation #76) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:53 am

In post 1051, themilkcartonkid wrote:You have no clue what you're doing and my flip will prove it lynch me

i have every fucking clue what im doing here

Spoiler:

Eragon · Post Post #1056 (isolation #77) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:53 am

you can totally see the elephant in that group of reactions

one is nothing like the rest

Eragon · Post Post #1058 (isolation #78) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:55 am

Eragon · Post Post #1060 (isolation #79) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:59 am

In post 1059, themilkcartonkid wrote:Ammendment. Some people have obvtown reactions that could be either way. Fence sitty posts are also either way. Here. You have no clue. You also completely ignored penguins posts which are exactly likebthebscum one you described. I think you're seeing everything through tinted goggles

i did NOT ignore penguin's posts

also lol

"obv town reactions that can go either way"

"Wolfy posts that can go either way"

Eragon · Post Post #1061 (isolation #80) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:00 am

In post 969, Eragon wrote:Well, that was excessively boring

I liked the reactions from nom, first of all for calling it out and bringing it up, after multiple people missed/ignored it. It shows good attention to detail and actual drive to figure out motives.

I didn't like TMCK's reaction, it felt very very wish-washy, which i would expect from scum that knows its 100% fake. He starts off asking like, "wut" and then realizes and is like "ooooh" then he comes back and says, "but is it, idk, but it probably just is, but are you sure???"

Roster's reaction was kinda the same at first, but they realized it and they stuck with it strong, so thats slight town points

Notmafia didn't respond except vote lol

PP's reaction actually isn't that great. It doesnt really feel like he believed that i "slipped" with the quotations marks expressing doubt.

Elsa's reaction is fakeable as either alignment

In post 971, Eragon wrote:it was indeed intended to look like wolf chat discussion

I was going for it looking believable with the mistake of "ctrl v" and "v"

my townread on Nom has solidifed

My scumread on TMCK has solidified

Roster/NM/Elsa stayed same basically, roster gained slight town points

PP actually dropped a little

Eragon · Post Post #1065 (isolation #81) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:02 am

the point of obv town is that its obv town

not faked.

lmfao

its very difficult to fake "obv town"

Eragon · Post Post #1066 (isolation #82) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:03 am

In post 1063, themilkcartonkid wrote:"A little" he believed you immediately. You're a huge hyppocrote

Because i overall think he's town

its a macro read vs a micro read

the overall feeling i have is town ->Macro

that specific part i think is wolf -> Micro

Eragon · Post Post #1067 (isolation #83) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:03 am

alacrity also believed me immediately so you must think im a hypocrite for not calling alacrity wolf too

Eragon · Post Post #1071 (isolation #84) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:17 am

In post 1069, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1063, themilkcartonkid wrote:"A little" he believed you immediately. You're a huge hyppocrote
?

I never believed he slipped.

(thats kinda the point)

Eragon · Post Post #1094 (isolation #85) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:18 pm

In post 1077, Locke113 wrote:
In post 1040, Eragon wrote:
In post 1007, Locke113 wrote:Ok so theres been a lot posted since I last posted so probably gonna multipost a fair bit here, apologies

Spoiler: Eragon
In post 912, Eragon wrote:
In post 861, Locke113 wrote:In post 506, ChibiBear wrote:
uhh ok?

isnt this what Roster said?
No, he thought that the scum partner had to be either me or Nom because we were telling him to back off in this thread when if his partner told him to back off, they could have done it outside of the thread
In post 743, Eragon wrote:because N_M is in this game :3

Intent to L-1 GrandWazoo

In post 760, Eragon wrote:Hammer hammer

I have fire in my eyes

In post 762, Eragon wrote:Would it be animal abuse to steal N_M’s hammer?

But if I’m a raven, then how can an animal abuse an animal

:3
Where is this previous explanation about why you didn't want to L-1 GW? Because in between this posts and 909 I see no previous explanation at all
understood

the explanation for not L-1'ing GW was so that there was no hammer until it was actually closer to EoD
I'm curious, how close to EoD do you like your wagons to get? since I think there was only a few days left by that point, though not sure so apologies if I'm talking out my arse
In post 1041, Eragon wrote:
In post 1011, Locke113 wrote:
In post 1004, Eragon wrote:they happen.

but they aren't something to expect.

anyone advocating for a quicklynch at this point is wolfy af.
There isn't anything inherently wrong with quicklynching, esp since in such a short time we got a lot of info to work with already, if we take too much time I guarantee this wagon will stall, which I get you don't want but you're scum so sorry but that would be a bad thing. Also just generally I don't see this need to use up the whole day unnecessarily

pedit
: also gl with all that Alac, its a interesting read

there is a fucking problem with quicklynching
when the game is literally fucking confirmed
What does this mean? I feel like I should be understanding this but I don't
In post 1046, Eragon wrote:
In post 1024, Locke113 wrote:Even if he did crumb shit, and it was a "reaction test", it still wouldn't make him town

@Roster:
I know, more interesting stuff happened after the post I quoted but thats kinda my point, the day is gonna drag out now and the wagon is gonna dissolve cause more people are gonna look back at his "reaction test" excuse and think well I didn't believe it at the time but maybe because the momentum is gone, my general point still stands
this is basically accurate. Its a risk/reward play. I've seen it used with game-solving reward. I was hoping to use it to absolutely lock my reads in, and i did get a couple of spicy reactions.
From a hypothetical point of view, it is indeed possible i used this as scum to gain towncred, but then whats the point of putting a bunch of attention and risk where it doesn't need to be. Whats the point of FAKING A SCUMSLIP as scum?
Why does anybody fake a scumslip? you can reaction test in much safer ways so there was plenty of risk where there didn't need to be no matter your alignment. I don't see how somebody willing to pull a ballsy move that could get them lynched as town wouldn't be willing to do similar as scum

i prefer to milk(pun not intended, but accepted) as much time as i can out of days

especially coming off games like stellaris where D1 town quickhammered town 6 minutes into D1

and then scum quickhammered town D2 like 2 days into D2

it means i don't like to rush the game until im confident i have the game 100% solved, and willing to bet the game on my solve

the best reaction tests are the most outlandish ones

hence "reaction test"

safe reactions tests are just that. safe. Oh hey i got a red on this kid. Oh nvm it was just a reaction check lol. thats FM 2.0a
and really easy to recognize

Eragon · Post Post #1095 (isolation #86) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:19 pm

In post 1078, nomnomnom wrote:I feel quite torn inside, one part of me wants to lynch Eragon because in my mind, doing something so out there and obviously scummy, saying all of a sudden "lol it was a reaction test!" then getting angry at people because people thinking he's scum for it is apparently a crime, is scummy as all hell.

But again, Milk's claim is so bad I wouldn't be opposed to jump wagons and get that fool lynched.

I think scum is among those two.

i also lead up to it

and posted many many reasonings behind it

so its not just "all of a sudden saying lol reactions"

Eragon · Post Post #1096 (isolation #87) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:22 pm

In post 1088, themilkcartonkid wrote:Sure, but dont just assume eragon is scum when I flip okay, actually think about it first okay?

aren't you voting me?

In post 1090, themilkcartonkid wrote:Dont vote eragon BECAUSE of how I flip. I think hes scum, but if this is a real test, I dont want to be responsible for the game

oh, i still think its fake and want to lynch him, but incase im wrong dont blame me hurrr

Eragon · Post Post #1104 (isolation #88) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:24 am

Fucking quickhammering with 9-10 days left?

After everything that was posted?

Fuck off

Eragon · Post Post #1105 (isolation #89) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:28 am

In post 1101, rosterfoster wrote:Right Eragon is scum. I’m not being dissuaded from this again. Maybe it wasn’t a scum-slip but I actually don’t think that town does that.

“Maybe he’s faking it, but he’s still scum either way”

what scum motivation has it it FAKE SCUMSLIP FOR REACTIONS

Where does SCUM need I draw un-needed attention for absolutely no reason?? Scum doesn’t benefit from reactions.

Why do I, as scum, fake a scum slip, when scum was already lynched D1 and me drawing attention to myself could get me lynched.

Instead, as town, after reading a reaction test EXACTLY THE SAME ON A DIFFERENT SITE, work out very well, and me being unconfident in my reads, I WOULD do the reaction test to see if I could lock in some of my reads.

Town. Does. This.

Eragon · Post Post #1106 (isolation #90) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:34 am

It’s quite fucking obvious that I put some research into this. I put time into making it “realistic.” I lead up to it indirectly.

I had a GAME LINED UP SIDE BY SIDE so I could analyze the reactions

Of town and scum THAT I POSTED IN THREAD

Eragon · Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:36 am

In post 1114, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1112, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1111, PenguinPower wrote:Why?
I think yesterday's quickhammer was no mistake and that one of them (or possibly both) orchestrated this to go through.

There's just a high chance these two slots can flip scum on that fact alone.
Drivel

pog

In post 1115, rosterfoster wrote:Do you not think we’d make NM quickhammer instead?

And come on it wasn’t a quickhammer - we’d considered a lot. You’re rewriting what happens.

omegathonk

you hammered with about 9 and a half days left (guesstimate on my part) which means we only used 2 and a half days out of our 12. Thats the literal fucking definition of "quickhammer." Don't shade someone for calling you out on your shit.

also saying "why would N_M not hammer instead"

seriously?

In post 1118, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1115, rosterfoster wrote:Do you not think we’d make NM quickhammer instead?

And come on it wasn’t a quickhammer - we’d considered a lot. You’re rewriting what happens.
It's not just a quickhammer - which it was - but were you pushing Eragon (and me) right up until you dropped a naked hammer on milk. That's gross.

I want NM before you because he should never make it to what may be LyLo tomorrow. He's scum because of his D1 dance around GW and participation in milk lynch D2.

Still want Alacrity to do his stuff.

yes

i could see it

alacrity is still conf!town IMO, but i do agree

Eragon · Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:42 am

In post 1119, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1116, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1113, PenguinPower wrote:Do you have a preference of which one?
Of course.

VOTE: not_mafia

Let's get rid of this cow.
You just don't like me

can both not be true

In post 1120, rosterfoster wrote:He had claimed, and I was believing the push on him. I don’t think I needed to claim intent there.

Yeah but it it was coordinated we’re a team together - I’d argue that the fact that I hammered means we’re not buddies. IDK how to actually read NM, so IDK on his comment.

you shouldn't of even had a fucking thought of hammering that early.
you definitely claim intent in that scenario. Always.

"we hammered together so we aren't buddies"

>???

"also i dont know how to read NM so im not reading him"

you can at least try to read him, no?

In post 1124, rosterfoster wrote:Oh I think I might have had a brain Aneurysm

Eragon · Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:43 am

In post 1125, rosterfoster wrote:Yeah nom I have no idea why I thought it was a hammer (and I remember clearly thinking it was a hammer).

"i dont remember why i thought it was a hammer but i know i thought it was a hammer"

what even?

Eragon · Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:43 am

In post 1126, rosterfoster wrote:Yeah I see, but I felt like Milk was scum and people were agreeing (hence the wagon shift).

so that means you quickhammer with 9 and a half days left????

Eragon · Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:46 am

In post 1129, PenguinPower wrote:Tell me why Eragon is scum without referencing his "slip."

In post 1131, rosterfoster wrote:I can’t.

I don’t think Chibi was around in that time gap, so scenario 1 isn’t possible.

In post 1130, nomnomnom wrote:What's the more likely scenario:

- "Hey Chibi what did N_M's vote register as? I might quickhammer this fool HAHAHAHAHMEEUHEUIWQHEW *more scum evil laugh*

- "DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR I CAN'T READ *quickhammers*"

what do either of these even mean?

Eragon · Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:47 am

In post 1133, rosterfoster wrote:No, but I can’t remember if the top of my head and I can’t make a proper case rn so...

then just say...

"no"

kappa

Eragon · Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:47 am

In post 1134, PenguinPower wrote:Then why say "I can't" instead of "Case coming later?"

What are your thoughts on Locke?

i absolutely forgot locke was in this game

Eragon · Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:18 pm

In post 1135, rosterfoster wrote:Because the slip is quite important to that slot?

I talked about Locke before. He’ s town.

and if its not a slip??

Eragon · Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:19 pm

In post 1136, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1135, rosterfoster wrote:Because the slip is quite important to that slot?

I talked about Locke before. He’ s town.
Really? Because your entire ISO - from what I see - is about how he is scum - possibly a traitor - tied to GW. Could you point out to me where you analyzed him and found him to be town?

In post 1137, rosterfoster wrote:No I forgot mafia had daytalk

but...

if theres daytalk then what stops it from being traitor???

Eragon · Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:58 pm

Once again forgetting this site is a thing!!

im so proud of myself <3

also xenoblade 2 grinding is pogchamp
and time-consuming
but also pogchamp

Eragon · Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:00 pm

@alacrity/ankamius(hi!) can you expand a bit on your Locke read?

Eragon · Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:01 pm

In post 1158, nomnomnom wrote:To be fair I'm okay with Roster or N_M getting the lynch today, those two slots have the two highest chances of flipping scum.

N_M just has this additional factor of "I wouldn't want to see him at the end stages of a game ever" on top of that, so that's why I'm voting him rn.

what are your thoughts on locke?

Eragon · Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:02 pm

In post 1161, rosterfoster wrote:I'm having a crisis over my handling of this game. If Nom and Locke really want to go for NM fine, but I'm convinced Eragon is scum.

uhhh

locke was going for you...

and PP was going for NM

kappa

also why are you "convinced" im scum, again?

Eragon · Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:03 pm

In post 1163, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: NM

This game died.

Just like my life

Spoiler:

Eragon · Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:04 pm

In post 1171, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1167, Eragon wrote:also xenoblade 2 grinding is pogchamp
You're late to the game...literally.

yes

Eragon · Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:04 pm

In post 1172, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1169, Eragon wrote:
In post 1158, nomnomnom wrote:To be fair I'm okay with Roster or N_M getting the lynch today, those two slots have the two highest chances of flipping scum.

N_M just has this additional factor of "I wouldn't want to see him at the end stages of a game ever" on top of that, so that's why I'm voting him rn.
what are your thoughts on locke?
Locke is not a priority right now, N_M and Roster are.
At least today.

so, you literally just don't care about reading anyone except NM and roster?

Eragon · Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:10 pm

In post 1177, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1176, Eragon wrote:
In post 1172, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1169, Eragon wrote:
In post 1158, nomnomnom wrote:To be fair I'm okay with Roster or N_M getting the lynch today, those two slots have the two highest chances of flipping scum.

N_M just has this additional factor of "I wouldn't want to see him at the end stages of a game ever" on top of that, so that's why I'm voting him rn.
what are your thoughts on locke?
Locke is not a priority right now, N_M and Roster are.
At least today.
so, you literally just don't care about reading anyone except NM and roster?
Having bigger priorities doesn't mean I don't care.

But like, it's like asking me what we're going to eat tomorrow while you're eating a fat pizza, see what I mean?

does everything relate to food with you

uhh thats not it at all
Days aren't limited to solving a "set" of people

ESPECIALLY on MS, where day phases are like a billion years long. Devoting an entire gameday to a specific topic is -ev, and doesn't help in the long run
sure, that can be a focal point, but we need other roots branching out, reading other things

Eragon · Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:25 pm

In post 1179, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1178, Eragon wrote: uhh thats not it at all
Days aren't limited to solving a "set" of people

ESPECIALLY on MS, where day phases are like a billion years long. Devoting an entire gameday to a specific topic is -ev, and doesn't help in the long run
sure, that can be a focal point, but we need other roots branching out, reading other things
Okay, let's reword it this way.
I have no confidence in reading Locke right now because of a few factors, mainly because of inactivity. I can't answer this question now. This game died really hard and we need to get back momentum.
Right now I'm focused on the only thing I'm relatively sure of, as in "there is one scum between Roster and N_M".

'aight

Eragon · Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:26 pm

In post 1183, Ankamius wrote:ngl I really don't understand why roster and not_mafia are the top two lynch candidates today

because their weird-ass hammer interactions

with NM voting "missing child", counting for milk

and also Roster hammering based off of that

Eragon · Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:26 pm

In post 1184, Ankamius wrote:I don't understand why scum!rosterfoster would be pushing so hard for Eragon to die when he's being defended by at least two slots for the same reason that everyone else thought he was scum for it

like I don't exactly have the credibility on alacrity that I do on this account but the fact that a widely townread slot was shielding him so hard would make it look a lot less viable as an option for a push.

Sometimes when you delve into the catacombs, you can't come back

Eragon · Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:28 pm

In post 1185, Ankamius wrote:it just doesn't make sense for him as a scum strategy and I'm struggling to see him going into day two pushing that much activity into the thread only to get hard stuck on a dead end push while the game crashes around him

that's beyond shitty scum play if it's scum play at all.

so after pushing me all of D2, you expect scum!roster to just completely drop his push on me?

Eragon · Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:29 pm

In post 1190, Ankamius wrote:tbh I just need one more confident townread and this game is literally solved

who is your towncore rn?

Eragon · Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:31 pm

In post 1193, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1184, Ankamius wrote:I don't understand why scum!rosterfoster would be pushing so hard for Eragon to die when he's being defended by at least two slots for the same reason that everyone else thought he was scum for it

like I don't exactly have the credibility on alacrity that I do on this account but the fact that a widely townread slot was shielding him so hard would make it look a lot less viable as an option for a push.

In post 1185, Ankamius wrote:it just doesn't make sense for him as a scum strategy and I'm struggling to see him going into day two pushing that much activity into the thread only to get hard stuck on a dead end push while the game crashes around him

that's beyond shitty scum play if it's scum play at all.
I feel you have this weird egocentrism going on where you make assumptions on other players based on your own actions only, which is not how reality works. There are a lot more parameters than your own reads at play here, like the fact that roster did this exact same thing last day and last minute, quickhammered milk with no warning at all. That's very scummy considering he announced intent on Eragon earlier that day as well. That and the fact that he magically understood that N_M was voting Milk and was fully aware of what he was doing? There's a lot here to unpack here.

I feel you are ignoring a whole set of issues here, in favor of your own reality.

the second post, ankamius doesn't even mention themself, or base things off of themselves, so this aint it chief

the first post, fair

Eragon · Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:32 pm

In post 1200, rosterfoster wrote:I feel like I'm not processing anything that people actually think in this game today.

what

In post 1203, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1201, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1196, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1195, Ankamius wrote:Kinda interesting to me that you shaded my deductions while basing your own around a singular point in the game

But sure I'll look anyways when I can
That's not what I was saying.

I'm saying that you are missing critical elements for your deductions. That's fairly obvious when you do not understand why Roster and N_M are put on the forefront today.
I don't understand why it's those two because roster is pretty town and n_m is an easy scumread to have
Would you mind pointing out to me why roster and nm are town? Specifically.

^

Eragon · Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:31 pm

In post 1214, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1207, Eragon wrote:
In post 1183, Ankamius wrote:ngl I really don't understand why roster and not_mafia are the top two lynch candidates today
because their weird-ass hammer interactions

with NM voting "missing child", counting for milk

and also Roster hammering based off of that
I really don't see how that makes roster-scum likely at all

regardless of alignment, I'd bet that was him seeing the momentum and hopping on without even realizing it was a hammer vote

except he stated he knew it was hammer i think?

Eragon · Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:31 pm

In post 1125, rosterfoster wrote:Yeah nom I have no idea why I thought it was a hammer (and I remember clearly thinking it was a hammer).

Eragon · Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:31 pm

In post 1215, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1210, Eragon wrote:
In post 1190, Ankamius wrote:tbh I just need one more confident townread and this game is literally solved

who is your towncore rn?
you + roster

add Pengu

Eragon · Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:32 pm

In post 1219, Ankamius wrote:Sorry pengu

I really don't think focusing on scumreads is good for today so

POGGERS

why wouldnt we... focus... on scumreads?

what do you plan to do?

Eragon · Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:33 pm

In post 1227, PenguinPower wrote:I don't know. That's a fairly broad question given we had a goon flip (and so don't know scum power at all) and there are multiple different ways to balance.

If you want to discuss PRs it's probably better to just massclaim given we're the day before lylo if we don't hit scum.

i dont have a problem with this

it would prevent opposing claims tomorrow

Eragon · Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:14 pm

Sorry

I’ve been very very busy lately

I’ll try to post more tomorrow

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:01 pm

In post 1282, rosterfoster wrote:But they’re unproductive lynches.

So we should be lynching in me/Eragon/Locke/NM.

I am of the opinion that Locke is town, so I could go with Eragon or NM as I’ve been saying.

he wasn't saying we should be lynching in there...

In post 1284, PenguinPower wrote:No, but it’s usually good to lock in claims before lylo.

VOTE: nm

agreed

In post 1297, Ankamius wrote:Nomnomnom was widely townread n1
A lot of people considered me conftown n2

That is enough for us to be potential nightkill targets those nights if we are town.

pengu /=/ consensus town

also it could be both for clearing and for protection

I remember a newbie game i played with, i was widely townread, performed the nightkill, and got tracked by acidphoenix who said "if you were scum, you performed the kill. a no-visit confirms you as town, and a kill track confirms you as scum"

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:03 pm

In post 1303, Ankamius wrote:I really don't think PPtown lives to tomorrow after that claim

Nobody's play here is worth killing over the jk

stop

In post 1305, Ankamius wrote:if I die, then what.

then we go based off of the flips after they happen

In post 1309, Ankamius wrote:it's not as easy as locke+roster is it

pretty sure its in (NM/Locke/Roster) so it definitely could be

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:05 pm

In post 1317, rosterfoster wrote:Ank, I was basically on the GW wagon. I wasn’t really trying to derail is lynch at all.

??????????????

1 minute

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:08 pm

In post 386, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 346, GrandWazoo wrote:@Alacrity:

I don't understand why scum specifically would engage that point the way I did, but town would not. I thought that entire engagement was self-evident, so it is entirely possible that something got lost in translation.

I did not answer your question because there really is not any reason to. Revealing why I want this alt to be secret would be counter-productive, as it would drastically reduce the amount of players that it can apply to. I quite like this alt, I would like to keep using it. =)
By keeping your main a secret you are denying us the chance to compare your present play with your town/scum meta. A town player would welcome such scrutiny.

Transparency is only counter-productive to scum.
VOTE: Grandwazoo

L-1

In post 391, rosterfoster wrote:
u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 386, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Grandwazoo

L-1
Wanna talk about it?
Not really.

In post 392, rosterfoster wrote:It's such a bs reason to start pushing someone.

There's standard bs reasons, and there's that.

In post 415, rosterfoster wrote:Ok this is actually scum.

VOTE: URAP

In post 626, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Eragon

In post 673, rosterfoster wrote:Eragon makes common read for scum, ergo Eragon is town.

Seems legit.

In post 712, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Not_mafia

We should actually just Lynch this.

Like I know what he's doing is NAI but I can't stand it.

In post 716, rosterfoster wrote:DW penguin I'll Lynch GW IRL tomorrow.

In post 745, rosterfoster wrote:I don’t even remember doing that. I might be mixing games together though.

GW you should claim.

In post 826, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 364, GrandWazoo wrote:Ok I'll drop the alt business since it seems NAI here.

Nomnom & Urap still haven't addressed 282

I feel like this post happened because of a partner telling him to stop. 3 people doing this were URAP, Nom and Locke.

these are the posts close-ish-ish to EoD 1

you push GW a little, completey drop it.

then you vote THREE OTHER, DIFFERENT PEOPLE
without even mentioning GW

then you go back to pushing GW as scum, but not dropping a vote, as well as linking a scum!Wazoo narrative with one of URAP/Nom/locke

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:09 pm

In post 1319, Ankamius wrote:(Locke/roster) + (eragon/not_mafia)

that's my answer

these are (one of) and (one of)

or world-building of teams?

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:10 pm

In post 819, Eragon wrote:
TOWN BLOCK

Eragon
Alacrity

Very Strong townreads

Pengu
Nom

last scum in

Locke
NM

Scum

Roster

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:13 pm

In post 1327, PenguinPower wrote:I'm glad people are realizing why I think NM and roster are scum.

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:17 pm

NGL Locke/NM are both just... PoE because i don't townread them as much as anyone else.

I definitely see reasons that N_M could be town, as i've expressed earlier, although he has been getting grating recently.

and lcoke is just... kinda there for me?

their interactions with Roster, or rather roster -> are kinda weird though, so i definitely think thats a likely team

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:17 pm

In post 1331, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 820, Eragon wrote:if anyone really wants me to analyze how alacrity is confirmed town, i will
It would be cool if you did this btw. Not sure how I missed it earlier.

I keep having gut issues with the GW wagon being all town, and given posts today by Ank, this would help ease my mind.

by legit GW's hard push about the alt stuff

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:18 pm

In post 194, GrandWazoo wrote:Declare intent to put Insomnia L-1. What this world is coming to

Alacrity is an enigma. I don't like enigmas. Stuff like their unvote and 142 ping me.

In post 242, GrandWazoo wrote:Enigmas are scum. Alacrity remains an enigma.

VOTE: Alacrity

In post 346, GrandWazoo wrote:@Alacrity:

I don't understand why scum specifically would engage that point the way I did, but town would not. I thought that entire engagement was self-evident, so it is entirely possible that something got lost in translation.

I did not answer your question because there really is not any reason to. Revealing why I want this alt to be secret would be counter-productive, as it would drastically reduce the amount of players that it can apply to. I quite like this alt, I would like to keep using it. =)
By keeping your main a secret you are denying us the chance to compare your present play with your town/scum meta. A town player would welcome such scrutiny.

Transparency is only counter-productive to scum.

In post 352, GrandWazoo wrote:Urap always scumreads me for bogus reasons. But he usually at least pretends to make some sort of case. Seems to be phoning it in this game.

Alacrity votes me
again
. Since the first vote was embedded in a wall (as usual), maybe she didn't even notice.

In post 359, GrandWazoo wrote:
In post 358, Alacrity wrote:Knowing who I am would not help you read me. =)
Then why the mystery?

You can always create another alt you know.

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:20 pm

In post 360, GrandWazoo wrote:
In post 355, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 354, Locke113 wrote:
In post 346, GrandWazoo wrote:By keeping your main a secret you are denying us the chance to compare your present play with your town/scum meta. A town player would welcome such scrutiny.

Transparency is only counter-productive to scum.

@Nom
Now this, this right here is conspiracy theory levels
I wouldn't say it's conspiracy theory levels, I'd say it's more unnecessary invasive questioning.
Like, I can think of a lot of reasons why you would want to start an alt or in general start a new account and remain secret, that are not related to the game at all. Clearly she does not want to be recognized, so why press the issue for this long?

Like honestly I can't say if he's being invasive because he MUST know who Alacrity are so he will press the issue ad infinitum, or if there's something more to it.
You can't enter the game proudly declaring your alt, daring ppl to guess who it is, then complain because someone actually wants to know.

In post 432, GrandWazoo wrote:I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.

And no Urap I didn't think I was hammered. I may be a prick but I'm not an idiot lol

In post 446, GrandWazoo wrote:
In post 435, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 432, GrandWazoo wrote:I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.
What normal ability would you suggest that falls under?
No clue. Just weird to me. The alternative explanation is they're sowing confusion or DGAF.

one of these is also about the alt

and the other 2 are shade

this is another reason i think NM is +town

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:23 pm

In post 1336, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1332, Eragon wrote:I definitely see reasons that N_M could be town, as i've expressed earlier, although he has been getting grating recently.
You don't see NM's voting around the GW wagon to seem bad for him?

i mean, they hammer tested GW

said thjeir vote was serious

and then hammer tested again

and then voted Elsa as what i took for a joke?

voting off the wagon isnt a great look

but i dont think it makes them confirmed scum

Eragon · Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:26 pm

In post 357, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grand Wazoo

In post 395, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grand Wazoo

In post 611, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grand Wazoo

no other votes in between

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:17 am

I'm finally on spring break so I should have a fair amount of time more than when I'm in school.

I stand by my latest reads.

ankamius is still obviously Town
Nom is towny
roster scummy
And Locke is just PoE/slightly wolfy

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:20 am

In post 1472, rosterfoster wrote:I have to say I was going to go after Penguin today.

Eragon/Locke seems the most likely scumteam, although it’s Lylo so I’m not going to vote.

Saying "I have to say I was going to go after penguin today" feels kinda LAMIST

Especially the fact that he's literally a claimed jail keeper
And if we actually made it through today, then he acts a full cop and can singlehandedly lock the game

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:21 am

In post 1483, Ankamius wrote:Eragon you can't sit this day phase out

Get your butt in here

*pets*

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:22 am

In post 1506, rosterfoster wrote:The third possibility makes sense if she really believes Locke and Eragon cannot be partners. Then the only other option is you (similar to the NM lynch yesterday).

Pedit: Eragon you have clearly not read the thread. Please come back when you do.

And nom yes I’m getting paranoia about being pocketed.

Well that's blatantly shade

what part have I not read?

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:24 am

In post 1510, rosterfoster wrote:Actually that post makes me think Eragon would have killed Penguin.

Yes I would have, if I was scum.

That doesn't make me scum.

Any sane scum, knowing penguin was Town, would kill him because he's literally a protective and a roleblocker. Scum kills that 99 times out of 100.

Then they would try to distance from the kill.

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:26 am

In post 1489, rosterfoster wrote:Btw I didn’t find any Penguin crumbs. I don’t know who we think he might have jailed - possibly me, given that he was reading Locke with NM at the end so might not have thought it best to check Locke before? But obviously I’m biased here and if you can find a crumb I’d be happy.

Also neither Locke nor Eragon resisted the NM lynch.

That's false.

I defended NM over you/Locke

I said I still thought NM has the most chance of flipping town out of you three

I was defending NM slightly from Penguin's push

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:27 am

In post 1492, Ankamius wrote:Ftr we have to hit the second scum today

I think town just loses with a locke lynch today

Why do you think roster and Locke are Town???

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:27 am

In post 1494, Ankamius wrote:I think you're obvtown

Your reasons are literally that they hard-pushed someone being townread by you.

That's not "towny"

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:28 am

In post 1498, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1497, rosterfoster wrote:Nom would you mind telling me who you think the scum team is? I think we all agree that Ank is obv town so you should tell first.
I used to think Ank was obvtown before your interaction, and that the scumteam was Eragon and Locke. Now I'm unsure what to think. The wording on her interaction with you is leaving me with a terrible feeling.

Ank is still obv town

Why is roster Town?

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:29 am

In post 1514, rosterfoster wrote:Somehow I missed that you were posting in Twighlight. Nvm about that.

Pedit: Yes I know, and this is why I’m being hesitant because I no longer believe Eragon/Locke is impossible.

Pedit2: I would not have killed Penguin.

In post 1513, Eragon wrote:
In post 1510, rosterfoster wrote:Actually that post makes me think Eragon would have killed Penguin.
Yes I would have, if I was scum.

That doesn't make me scum.

Any sane scum, knowing penguin was Town, would kill him because he's literally a protective and a roleblocker. Scum kills that 99 times out of 100.

Then they would try to distance from the kill.

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:30 am

Pogchamp

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:30 am

In post 1518, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1513, Eragon wrote: Any sane scum, knowing penguin was Town, would kill him because he's literally a protective and a roleblocker. Scum kills that 99 times out of 100.

Then they would try to distance from the kill.
That's a rather generalizing statement, and I believe that to be HIGHLY debatable, but this is entirely wifom, so yeah.

Which part of it

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:33 am

In post 1523, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1519, Eragon wrote:
In post 1498, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1497, rosterfoster wrote:Nom would you mind telling me who you think the scum team is? I think we all agree that Ank is obv town so you should tell first.
I used to think Ank was obvtown before your interaction, and that the scumteam was Eragon and Locke. Now I'm unsure what to think. The wording on her interaction with you is leaving me with a terrible feeling.
Ank is still obv town

Why is roster Town?
First statement is debatable.

Second, because he's been way more involved than you two in game solving. In contrast, you two have let things slide quite a bit, especially Locke making fairly large accusations against a few people, almost never voting however. That strikes me as a lack of involvement, and thus, scummy.

yea Ive been inactive
Ive been busy with life

Also, I'm scumreading Locke
So I don't know where your going with that

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:34 am

In post 1524, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 1515, Eragon wrote:That's false.

I defended NM over you/Locke

I said I still thought NM has the most chance of flipping town out of you three

I was defending NM slightly from Penguin's push
You conveniently disappeared while me/ank switched from Locke to NM and then started defending him in twilight, no? IF not, please point out where you did this.

"Conveniently disappeared"

More shade

I'll go read over the interactions
But voting someone then defending them is pog

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:40 am

In post 1528, rosterfoster wrote:Yeah you're being shaded because I scumread you.

What's POG?

Me and Ank were resistant to NM at first but then I thought he had to be scum if you/Locke couldn't be a team. You and Locke both went away while that conclusion was reached.

Shade /=/ scumread lul

Pog is pog

I was resistant to NM as well. Because he had the lowest chance of flipping scum in my PoE.
Again, me having life isn't AI.

In a different game I literally just didn't post for 3 days and got lynched during that time.
When school fucks me over, I ignore mafia.

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:43 am

In post 1530, nomnomnom wrote:The more logical side of my brain really thinks it's as simple as Locke and Eragon.

But like, there's the conspiracy one that involves Ank being scum, and then we end up with a maze of possibilities, and that's a headache right there.

Ank is still obvious Town from GW's push, if not her play alone

if ank is somehow scum, this games already over

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:46 am

In post 1532, rosterfoster wrote:Eragon I understand that, and it's not just you but also Locke too.

I shade my scumreads?

Shading isn't how you scumread

Shading is discrediting, creating false narratives, and skirting around the edges.

Saying

"My wasn't it convenient that eragon was nowhere during EoD"

Instead of

"I think Eragon is scum because he wasn't active during EoD"

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:48 am

And if you "understand that"

Why is it towny for you and ank to be resistant to Nm Then switch

But not for me to be resistant to NM

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:50 am

In post 1339, Eragon wrote:
In post 357, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grand Wazoo

In post 395, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grand Wazoo

In post 611, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grand Wazoo

no other votes in between

In post 1337, Eragon wrote:
In post 1336, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1332, Eragon wrote:I definitely see reasons that N_M could be town, as i've expressed earlier, although he has been getting grating recently.
You don't see NM's voting around the GW wagon to seem bad for him?
i mean, they hammer tested GW

said thjeir vote was serious

and then hammer tested again

and then voted Elsa as what i took for a joke?

voting off the wagon isnt a great look

but i dont think it makes them confirmed scum

In post 1332, Eragon wrote:NGL Locke/NM are both just... PoE because i don't townread them as much as anyone else.

I definitely see reasons that N_M could be town, as i've expressed earlier, although he has been getting grating recently.

and lcoke is just... kinda there for me?

their interactions with Roster, or rather roster -> are kinda weird though, so i definitely think thats a likely team

In post 1335, Eragon wrote:
In post 360, GrandWazoo wrote:
In post 355, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 354, Locke113 wrote:
In post 346, GrandWazoo wrote:By keeping your main a secret you are denying us the chance to compare your present play with your town/scum meta. A town player would welcome such scrutiny.

Transparency is only counter-productive to scum.

@Nom
Now this, this right here is conspiracy theory levels
I wouldn't say it's conspiracy theory levels, I'd say it's more unnecessary invasive questioning.
Like, I can think of a lot of reasons why you would want to start an alt or in general start a new account and remain secret, that are not related to the game at all. Clearly she does not want to be recognized, so why press the issue for this long?

Like honestly I can't say if he's being invasive because he MUST know who Alacrity are so he will press the issue ad infinitum, or if there's something more to it.
You can't enter the game proudly declaring your alt, daring ppl to guess who it is, then complain because someone actually wants to know.

In post 432, GrandWazoo wrote:I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.

And no Urap I didn't think I was hammered. I may be a prick but I'm not an idiot lol

In post 446, GrandWazoo wrote:
In post 435, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 432, GrandWazoo wrote:I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.
What normal ability would you suggest that falls under?
No clue. Just weird to me. The alternative explanation is they're sowing confusion or DGAF.
one of these is also about the alt

and the other 2 are shade

this is another reason i think NM is +town

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:50 am

Me saying NM is town over Locke/roster

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:53 am

In post 1539, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1531, Eragon wrote:
In post 1530, nomnomnom wrote:The more logical side of my brain really thinks it's as simple as Locke and Eragon.

But like, there's the conspiracy one that involves Ank being scum, and then we end up with a maze of possibilities, and that's a headache right there.
Ank is still obvious Town from GW's push, if not her play alone

if ank is somehow scum, this games already over
This is such a garbage view of the game. Like, really?

It's not obvious to me, and it never has been. It's just that so much happened during the game that was at the forefront that I never took the time to sort her inherent weirdness and secrecy, and now it's as relevant as ever, because there's still this touch of secrecy to her intent, and on LYLO that's an alarm bell.

If you are willing to simplify a player to a single vote, then you are going to your doom. And if you are willing to lose because you are too lazy to reconsider someone's actions, I don't really know what to tell you.

Cool

I'm willing to bet this game on ank being Town
I'm absolutely confident on this
I have Gone back and skimmed
Those interactions with grandwazoo don't change

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:55 am

In post 1541, rosterfoster wrote:You're quoting those posts in reverse order (like actually how did you do that?).

Your first post is more NM as town, but then the next two (chronologically) are giving yourself a very big option to jump to NM and IMO are not resistant at all. That feels like a scum progression to me.

Because I'm on mobile and missed some first time

I'll try to rewrite it chronologically in actuality

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:56 am

In post 1332, Eragon wrote:NGL Locke/NM are both just... PoE because i don't townread them as much as anyone else.

I definitely see reasons that N_M could be town, as i've expressed earlier, although he has been getting grating recently.

and lcoke is just... kinda there for me?

their interactions with Roster, or rather roster -> are kinda weird though, so i definitely think thats a likely team

In post 1335, Eragon wrote:
In post 360, GrandWazoo wrote:
In post 355, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 354, Locke113 wrote:
In post 346, GrandWazoo wrote:By keeping your main a secret you are denying us the chance to compare your present play with your town/scum meta. A town player would welcome such scrutiny.

Transparency is only counter-productive to scum.

@Nom
Now this, this right here is conspiracy theory levels
I wouldn't say it's conspiracy theory levels, I'd say it's more unnecessary invasive questioning.
Like, I can think of a lot of reasons why you would want to start an alt or in general start a new account and remain secret, that are not related to the game at all. Clearly she does not want to be recognized, so why press the issue for this long?

Like honestly I can't say if he's being invasive because he MUST know who Alacrity are so he will press the issue ad infinitum, or if there's something more to it.
You can't enter the game proudly declaring your alt, daring ppl to guess who it is, then complain because someone actually wants to know.

In post 432, GrandWazoo wrote:I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.

And no Urap I didn't think I was hammered. I may be a prick but I'm not an idiot lol

In post 446, GrandWazoo wrote:
In post 435, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 432, GrandWazoo wrote:I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.
What normal ability would you suggest that falls under?
No clue. Just weird to me. The alternative explanation is they're sowing confusion or DGAF.
one of these is also about the alt

and the other 2 are shade

this is another reason i think NM is +town

In post 1337, Eragon wrote:
In post 1336, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1332, Eragon wrote:I definitely see reasons that N_M could be town, as i've expressed earlier, although he has been getting grating recently.
You don't see NM's voting around the GW wagon to seem bad for him?
i mean, they hammer tested GW

said thjeir vote was serious

and then hammer tested again

and then voted Elsa as what i took for a joke?

voting off the wagon isnt a great look

but i dont think it makes them confirmed scum

In post 1339, Eragon wrote:
In post 357, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grand Wazoo

In post 395, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grand Wazoo

In post 611, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grand Wazoo

no other votes in between

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:58 am

In post 1542, rosterfoster wrote:Eragon the alt stuff could happen if Ank is traitor actually. I hadn't considered that before.

Fuck my sanity

Cry.gif

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:59 am

In post 1547, rosterfoster wrote:Oh I though 1332 was last post. Even so you're not exactly ethusiastic about your defense of him, no? How is that being resistant, in your view?

Because I'm expressing why I think he's Town

And I'm also trying to show PP that he's Town

I acknowledged that he *could* be scum, based on PoE

But that I doubted it, and he was easily the most likely to actually flip town

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:00 am

In post 1549, nomnomnom wrote:DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW

I understand a possibility, yes

And I'll have to check into it when I'm off of mobile

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:00 am

In post 1551, rosterfoster wrote:OMG I actaully tihnk Ank/Locke could be a thing. Ank could really play the traitor thing quite well I think.

Pedit: Eragon I think you're town.

What changed?

Just you thinking ank is could be traitor?

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:03 am

In post 1554, rosterfoster wrote:And Ank pushes Locke yesterday because he knows Penguin and Nom are unlikely to shift and this is why he's willing to to a bit of busing. And he knows Locke will probably kill PP so isn't scared of being killed.

And the reason why Ank doesn't die earlier is because Locke knows the alt thing isn't entirely correct because there is a traitor.

Pedit: You are townspewing. Also I did only just realise about the traitor.

But why does Locke assume that ank is the traitor over ank just being Town

Or are you just saying you think he was *worried* about ank being traitor so he took the safer kill?

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:04 am

In post 1555, Ankamius wrote:I'll get to this a bit later

But the one thing I want to point out is that me calling out my only partner before lylo when there is no pressure on him is... really fucking bad if I'm a traitor

Uhh why?

If there's no risk, and he's a prime suspect anyways?

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:05 am

In post 1560, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1557, rosterfoster wrote:Yeah but Eragon's latest posts have felt so townie.
Do they feel more town than his overall absence though? That's the real question here. And the rational side of me wants to say "no".

Activity is NAI

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:13 am

In post 1565, rosterfoster wrote:Locke doesn't assume that ank is the traitor, but knows that this is a distinct possibility. This is why Ank was NK'd.

Nom I don't think it's a case of summing town parts and scum parts though. It's like 'could I see Eragon reacting this well to my pressure if scum' and tbh the answer is no.

Pedit: Ank I'll get to this.

Ok

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:28 am

it says “some traitors”

So let’s make this confirmed

@Chibi

: in the event that this game has a traitor, would a traitor be endgamed when all the Groupscum are dead. Or would they still be alive and be converted to groupscum?

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:29 am

I’m not against the plan, I just want to make sure it works out they way it mechanically should

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:30 am

In post 1592, rosterfoster wrote:In normal guidelines that’s the case. I checked before I started asking Ank these questions.

Yes

I believe that this is the case

But I want to confirm it

Becuase “guidelines” are just that.

I mean, is having a loyal neighborizer “standard”

Or a disloyal roleblocker?

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:31 am

I’m not going to resolve any “plans” until we get absolute confirmation on this

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:32 am

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:25 pm

urgh time to rethink my life choices

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:26 pm

@nom

how confident are you that ank is scum

@ank

i think i know your answer on this
:3

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:28 pm

In post 1601, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1595, rosterfoster wrote:Nom do you think there’s a world where Ank is groupscum?
I mean, with daychat, I think anything is possible at this point.

Though I have to say: the logical side of me thinks that this game very likely doesn't have a traitor. Like, think about it: JK, Loyal Neighborizer and disloyal blocker vs Goon + Traitor + Another scum? That makes absolutely NO sense, even if the last scum was a strong PR.

From a setup standpoint, it's more logical to assume all scums are inside a group. I think it's highly unlikely this setup has a traitor in it.

Anyway, I still think there's a good chance Ank is scum, even with all of this.

ank is never groupscum

im just saying this rn

if ank is group scum some REALLY weird shit was going around mafia chat, and im gonna ask for some of that stuff after the games over.

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:31 pm

Distancing is a thing in mafia, yes.

but normally distancing is like, an actual push.

Theres no way GW hard pushes on Alacrity for being an ALT, while being on the SAME TEAM as alacrity.
this looks really bad on GW, and likely gets him suspicious early on, and lynched. As what happened.

On top of the actual pushes not feeling w/w, ank probably would have told GW to shut up, and/or Ank would have outed that they were playing as an alt, so that they scumteam knew who they were playing with. I've seen that happen before where alts are scum and they end up revealing themselves by their account name.

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:33 pm

In post 1602, rosterfoster wrote:An odd-night disloyal RB is pretty weak tbh.

Loyal Neighbouriser and JK is reasonable, but I don’t think it necessarily means there’s no traitor.

Your reticence to this plan makes me think it’s you/locke though and 3 groupscum.

There is no way GW does that thing because of DayChat IMO.

odd night disloyal roleblocker is strong though, because it can ONLY BLOCK SCUM.

if it targets town, nothing happens.
theres no risk to it, at all.

additionally, if mafia claims roleblocked for whatever reason, they will also be outed mafia

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:49 pm

In post 1603, Ankamius wrote:viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66833

Town Odd-Night Mason Recruiter
Town Jailkeeper
Town Motion Detector

vs

Mafia Goon
Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Jailkeeper Enabler

those three roles are WEAKER than the ones in this setup (Odd-Night Mason Recruiter is MUCH weaker than a loyal neighborizer; Jailkeeper is the same, Motion Detector is not as useful as the Odd-Night Disloyal Roleblocker in single-groupscum scenarios)

and yet there were three groupscum with them having two roles that helped keep town from snowballing EVEN WITH THAT LEVEL OF POWER

there's been
some
change to the normal guidelines since then but the general level of balance really shouldn't be changing enough to make it so that town has THIS MUCH power and scum can get completely fucked two different ways by the end of Night 1

it's absolutely insane

some games just have fucked balance, i don't think its the case here, but i remember reading that one game that was like, 9 v 3 v Maf traitor that was really unbalanced.
and sometimes something seems balanced in theory but ends up not being

and also something from 2016 isn't very helpful, communities and players grow as a whole, get better/worse, etc...

like on our homesite, 3 years ago some of the best players on our site were active, it was great.
now.
people suck
games are over-run with shitters and slankers

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:50 pm

i see what you are saying

i just don't think we should setup spec a 2019 closed game off of a 2016 game

different hosts/mods also have a different idea of balance, even if there are "guidelines"

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:51 pm

In post 1607, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1606, rosterfoster wrote:Yeah tbh I think it’s Locke/Nom.

But we do need to go through Locke first.

Pedit: Nom, I really don’t see how Ank can be scum with no traitor. Only other possibility is Eragon scum which is a minor possibility and the only way we don’t win, from all our points of view (unless you think I’m scum, but that idea has kind of been dispelled).
I can't sanely approve of this knowing one scum is pushing Locke, regardless if he ends up being scum.

At least not without discussion first.

what

what

what

even if locke is scum

you can't approve of the plan?

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:00 pm

sigh

this game makes no sense

I still like nom's overall early play as well as being the first to catch my "slip" because if nom is mafia, they know that i didn't post in mafia chat, so that would be a weird conclusion to make. but i will go re-read that.

Ank is never groupscum, and is *possibly* a traitor given
1) a traitor
2)being the traitor
which is a bit of a stretch

Roster going full 360 on me rn is a good look, because dropping me as a read forces them to go explore other options, as well as bringing them more into the spotlight. I don't think they're strongly town, but i see town!Roster as a possibility now.

Locke... just really doesn't have anything going for them, and plenty of things that look bad.

this whole interaction with nom/ank is never SvS(which i know is obvious, just ignore)
I could possibly see it being TvT, but i think
its more likely to be TvS

out of the two, i actually townread them both strongly, and now that one of them is basically mechanically scum, i think i always go for nom before ank.
as previously stated
the only way ank is scum is if there is a traitor and they rolled that traitor slot. Both of which are more unlikely than nom just being scum.

So i think locke is scum every time
And then one of ank/nom is likely scum
with roster being the remaining town?

lynch order for me is Locke >>> nom > roster >> ank

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:04 pm

In post 1611, Ankamius wrote:I have no reason to shield rosterfoster like I did as scum.
I have no reason to shield Eragon like I did as scum.

Doing BOTH as scum is even more fucking ridiculous.

I know I call my scumgame pretty bad, but it's because I can't execute on my strategies, not because I'm so fucking stupid that I can't even think of them in the first place.

as a blanket

i absolutely hate posts like this, saying "i wouldnt do ____ as scum" relating back to my abhorrance of self-meta

because if you know you "cant" do something as scum

then you can force yourself to do it as scum...

and get townread baselessly

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:06 pm

Actually

revising the lynch order

Ank is only the final lynch if
1)Chibi confirms traitors get endgamed
and
2)Ank is willing to commit to voting locke

else I'll have to revisit it again

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:07 pm

Spoiler: For Ankamius only

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:09 pm

In post 1615, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1614, Ankamius wrote:you haven't explained what my plan is this game, nom.
That's a good question and if I'm frank, I can't come up with a cohesive answer.

It's just the way you explain everything, the way you put everything, the way you want things to go. They're not natural, there's a certain sense of secrecy to it, and when it's not, it's just you going in a thousand directions with your reasoning and your votes. I can't trust you.

Trying to decode your actions feels like an impossible task, given the kind of person you are. I just stick to what I think is right, and to any other logic I can stick to.

why is secrecy inherently wolfy?

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:10 pm

In post 1621, Ankamius wrote:I strongly believe that you would not have responded the way you did to me saying that locke isn't the lynch today if you were town.

so you are saying you were reaction testing by saying you thought locke should never be the lynch?

am i understanding this right?

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:11 pm

In post 1625, Ankamius wrote:sorry, let me correct myself:

at the start of the day, lynching locke
and only locke
was a scum-motivated idea lol

uhhh nom never said they wanted to lynch locke and only locke at the start of the day

Eragon · Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:14 pm

In post 1626, nomnomnom wrote:So what? Lynching Locke is suddenly town motivated now? On what virtue?

This is my problem with you. You may think what you say makes sense, but it actually doesn't when you think two seconds about it. Your thoughts and reads are not absolute truth.

uhh

Some people may think what they say makes sense and other people dont

so why don't you ask for clarification to see if you misunderstood?

In post 1627, Ankamius wrote:Now that Eragon and roster aren't lockscumming each other anymore, that is indeed no longer a problem!

In post 1629, Ankamius wrote:A -> B -> C -> D

what?

Eragon · Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:59 am

Gg guys!

This game was very... ahem... stressful in many ways.

I'm not sure if the results could have ended up any better.

Killing the cop Masonizer N1, lynching the roleblocker, also a cop-ish, and avoiding the jailkeeper basically made all the roles worthless.
In all but name this was basically a vanilla game.

Eragon · Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:09 am

Ftr my responses this day were all things I actually felt were true, either alignment, such as my “defense” of NM and my being inactive not AI.

So it’s things I fully believed, and not things pushing a scum agenda per-say

but if you had noticed my read on roster go from like, top scum to ~~~mild town but still scummy, that was something I was worried about.
Mainly I was using it as a sort of continued-pocket affect, instead of having roster rethink me Becuase my push on him, I just kinda let him slip through and pushed Locke instead

Eragon · Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:10 am

In post 1694, u r a person 2 wrote:you guys give me too much credit btw. in the future you should let me live to lylo so i can lose town the game

I wouldn’t say *too* much credit

Eragon · Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:10 am

You were certainly one of the better D1 players

Eragon · Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am

In post 1689, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1667, rosterfoster wrote:I think it's immoral to replace out fro strategic reasons. `just don't do that in the future, please? <3
It's against site rules to do that.

It's also now against site rules to make a post like 189.

Good job, Eragon, turning the slot around. Nice move with the intentional scumslip - that got you totally off my radar.

Wish nom had made that kill N1...

Is intentionally scumslippijg against the rules now too

:^>

Eragon · Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:17 am

In post 1659, Ankamius wrote:although tbh now that I think about it

this town was really weak lolt

nobody was the town glue and we desperately needed one

I agree with this tbh

there was really no one that ever truly “escaped” the PoE

You, ank, were more-or-less confirmed town, but the fact that you and nom kept going back and forth meant that you were less focused on other things. That’s not a ot a bad thing either, and you did correctly read nom.

But throughout the game there were very few people that were actually “obvious town”

additionally with the cop dying N1 you lost all chances at having clears

Eragon · Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:20 am

In post 1667, rosterfoster wrote:I think it's immoral to replace out fro strategic reasons. `just don't do that in the future, please? <3

I agree

I ranted about it for like... 2 posts in scumchat

In post 1674, u r a person 2 wrote:wow ballsy. I would have lynched the shit out of him for that

even if you and the 2 most experienced players knew it was false just from looking at it

<3

Eragon · Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:21 am

@elsa

I have made it my goal to one day become a mafia full-page-content poster

Learnin from the sacred best

:3

Eragon · Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:26 am

My strats of faking a scumslip as scum is ruined now for this site for at least 3 months lol

unless I’m actually town and want actual reactions

<3

Eragon · Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:28 am

Spicy