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CrikeyIn post 15, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Wow, not even an apology? I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to be lynched for that. ;(In post 14, Garmr wrote:Welp if you thought that was bad your going to enjoy going down the rabbit hole we call mafia scum.In post 11, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm being /s by the way. That joke is thebiggest pile of garbage I've read on this site so far.
VOTE: Garmr
Who's the scummiest so far thoughIn post 31, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'll just UNVOTE: for now. Would like to see more of what people has to say before i start placing votes. That's more my style anyway.
Maybe for like the first 3 votes where literally nothing has happenedIn post 35, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Is it your position that votes during RVS should be completely random? I feel like him giving a reason for the vote was better than switching it with no discussion.In post 28, profii wrote:Like I know you were playing with Garmr
But you said in post 15 "you will have to be lynchedfor that"
That infers a reason for the vote
Might be a silly fun reason but it wasnt random
If so:
1)how would we ever move out of RVS short of setting a deadline; and
2) what information would you hope to glean from truly random votes?
Not a fan of Norweigenboy's defensive tone, and definitely not a fan that he unvoted when getting pressure for voting.
What does that bit mean? Why would mafia out a towns person? They know who town are and revealing townsfolk to the rest of the townsfolk would put them at a disadvantage.In post 42, NorwegianboyEE wrote:there's also the possibility he's mafia attempting to get a early outing of a townie
In post 63, Kraeg wrote:Game is already out of RVS after a few posts 'cause of Norwegian.
Also, I'm getting a bad feeling about Billy's V/LA. I've been a player of this game for like years already and I've seen mafia abuse the V/LA as an excuse to avoid everyone. I'm not a big fan of people going on V/LAs.
It's kinda notable that you say the game is out of RVS, ergo there is content to debate uponIn post 64, Kraeg wrote:So Luca and BIlly is on V/LA. Like what I've said, V/LAs are sometimes not genuine.
I was looking at Skellen and it lead me back to this.In post 35, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Not a fan of Norweigenboy's defensive tone, and definitely not a fan that he unvoted when getting pressure for voting.
But yeah the reason I was looking at that particular post was this one - this reason for voting seems like 'too good to be true' or 'too textbook'In post 41, Skellen wrote:Not a fan of this. I dislike how you are obviously not feeling good about Norwegianboy yet you are hesitant to increase the pressure on him with not voting him?In post 35, Billy Pilgrim wrote: Not a fan of Norweigenboy's defensive tone, and definitely not a fan that he unvoted when getting pressure for voting.
VOTE: Billy
High 5 brotherIn post 96, Luca Blight wrote:Ok, fully caught up. My early reads are as follows:
Town-leaning Billy, Profii and Norwegianboy, null on everyone else.
I know I said her opening was decent in 94, but looking back it almost seems a little too 'polished', so I'm gonna sheep Profii on this one.
VOTE: Skellen
what made you think that?In post 98, Garmr wrote:I don't think I need to go to indepth with the town read since I think it's the common opinion.
I'll circle back to this later.In post 137, Garmr wrote:If you want to vote me go for it no need to hold back. I'm fine with making luca and me the leading wagons. But if I end up mislynched somehow Sheep my opinions as they are better than yours if you town read Luca.In post 135, profii wrote:See I'm siding with Luca here
When you said popular opinion is profii = town I actually checked and 3 people had put me, let's say, the town side of the line... one of those 3 was Luca, who you (garmr) scum read at the time so at that point alarm bells were ringing that you actually just knew I was town (I.e. TMI) and rolled with it
That's why I was asking about how well you think you can read me
The only thing stopping me voting you right now is you say you omitted the reasons you think I'm town (tell me about them please) for a reaction test (tell me what you learnt please)
I dont like the PR stuff either but the less said the better
Lucas just town as far as I'm concerned we see the game very similarly so I'm gonna roll with that
so you want me to follow you onto voting Kraeg because it "just doesn't feel right"In post 182, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I don't know for sure, like i said already. It could be a SvT scenario. It's just that i feel more confident going against Kraeg right how. His posts and reason for voting me just doesn't feel right.
Just because I just voted Norge, dont consider yourself off the hook, I asked a specific group of people, which included you, to provide their thoughts on the Luca vs Garmr argument.In post 184, Kraeg wrote:Vote Garmr
I think the PR discussion is scummy. Even if he did it in a game where he's town, that doesn't prove the he's town in this game. It's not like we are in point where PRs have flipped and there is a necessity to discuss scenarios about PRs. The way he tried to identify me as a PR is scummy. A PR discussion would most likely come from scum. Why? because they're the one who's going to look for potential PRs for their nightkill so there's definitely a tendency for scum to open PR discussions. Town would most likely focus on finding scum especially on D1.
why have you gone from saying Garmr was possibly caught scum to just forgetting about it and voting someone else?In post 186, Mohab500 wrote:I feel like I was focused trying to find a lead that I just built something on Luca solely based on just trying to find a lead, so looking back I don't think my point was very convincing.
As for Kraeg, the time you posted I still had a slight scum lean on him. After his latest posts, though, I feel like they're far too dynamic with their thoughts/posting and I have an even larger scum lean on him now. Kraeg tells Norwegian to 'forgot about his vote on him because it's just an RVS thing' but his posts earlier imply that he was much more serious about this than he's stating now. Also, I feel like the move to Garmr is far too sudden and invited by the fact that others started the Garmr wagon, but honestly that could be said for multiple players here, I guess.
I haven't really delved into the possibility of a Garmr + Kraeg scum team, on the surface from what I remember it looks a bit unlikely but not impossible.
For the time being I'll go back to VOTE: Kraeg as I feel more confident with a push on him than Garmr with what we have now.
You vote someone because you want to lynch someoneIn post 192, NorwegianboyEE wrote:@Profii
Also i never said i wanted you to follow my vote. Which you seem to suggest in post 188.
Not sure why you thought that.
Yep - it helps if people post more, there is a lot of ~I just feel like this is scummy~ in this game which is rubbishIn post 191, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Wow you’re really persistent on me bothering to analyze everything those goobers said aren’t you Profii? Fine i’ll analyze it deeply when i get back home.
Agreed - thanks for you contributionIn post 195, NorwegianboyEE wrote:"I doubt either of these two are scum"In post 194, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I doubt either of these two are town.
^Corrected mistake.
I think we are some way off even considering policy lynching players - we cant give up on scum hunting that easilyIn post 207, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I want you to think about this post. You're basically recognizing that you're playing in a way that the group perceives as bad because you keep getting lynched. Yet your response to that is for the group to change it's perception of you. Why should we? If you keep playing badly, you're either scum or bad town. Why would we want you in LYLO? You're a potential liability there. So if you keep playing badly, the solution from a town perspective is to policy lynch you. That means we Lynch you D1. And we do that because we know it's bad to have you in late game situations. So while you think the site will just have to adjust to you, you may not like the way it adjusts to you. Please stop playing so reactively and start reading. I saw your reads list, care to develop that at all?In post 203, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think you guys will just have to learn to deal with the way i am. Most of my posts are reactive and i usually only point out things that stick out to me. I read everything people say here but i can't be bothered to add my comments to absolutely everything. If you guys think that's scummy then by all means lynch me. If i get mislynched as town in like 5 games maybe people will begin to understand that this is just my personality and it is usually not alignment indicative.
I read the bold bit as "No need to [leave my vote on Mohab, as it is] a vanity wagon. Felt like turning up the pressure on the Kraeg wagon may help sort [that inactive slot], but the Garmr/Luca 1v1 produced some interesting content [so can convieniently vote 1 of those 2 {Garmr} as I know they are both town players, meaning I dont have to get stuck on scum wagon]In post 151, Billy Pilgrim wrote:UNVOTE: Mohab
No need to be on a vanity wagon. Felt like turning up the pressure on the Kraeg wagon may help sort, but the Garmr/Luca 1v1 produced some interesting content.I will have some thoughts on this later.
When I skimmed it, Luca felt town. Wanna go back through the isos though.
obviously as scum are informed i think they will surely give away signals even if they try their hardest not to so i dont mind taking the gamble on trying to spot team work pre-flipIn post 234, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Also, theory question what value do pre-flip associatives have if you don't have the flip? Although I guess I like the thought because that is part of what I was referring to when I said there were two reasons I could see scum!Garmr taking the air out of the Kraeg wagon. But I had a second reason which is why I asked Garmr the question about how many people he thought were gonna scumread Kraeg when he took the air out of that wagon.
To be honest, it's still early but Kraeg is still in my D1 Lynch pool. At the moment, I think it's him, Mohab, and Emperor. Skellen Garmr and you are out at the moment. Norwegian and Luca are sort of in a territory where I may be able to be talked into them.
Well the theory only works with a billy kraeg pairing and I've reconsidered billyIn post 240, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Profii, if you’ve started coming around to the idea that Kraeg might be scum i suggest you vote him first rather than probing for his potential teammate (s) on day 1. I read on the wiki scum-hunting tactics, and it’s stated that scum team speculation is not much use until the suspects lynch has gone through and flip has confirmed alignment.
Though i commend you for trying.
The issue with that is that Kraeg has done nothing much really, so nothing to make me go 'that dude is sorting the game he is town' or 'that dude is up to schenanigans he must be scum'In post 262, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I agree that you can attempt to spot team work pre-flip, but in that case would you want to Lynch the one who you thought was the teammate or the one who you thought was scummy first?
This is important actuallyIn post 319, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Kraeg, you're at L-1. Someone who isn't on your wagon at the moment gave intent already when you were at L-1. You've seemed pretty uncommitted to the game. You planning on defending yourself, or have you given up?
No I'm just saying there is a lot of people wanting to lynch kraeg so thinking that through you are unlikely to have 6 players with a perfect scum read on day 1 so there is actually more likely to be a busser than scum!billyIn post 333, Emperor flippyNips wrote:In post 321, profii wrote:This is important actuallyIn post 319, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Kraeg, you're at L-1. Someone who isn't on your wagon at the moment gave intent already when you were at L-1. You've seemed pretty uncommitted to the game. You planning on defending yourself, or have you given up?
We have 4 on wagon. Flippy and myself were (are?) Still willing to vote once we thrash it out
That is 6/9 - what does this mean? Few scenarios:
1. Scum team is within {Kraeg / Luca / Billy} as all other players have recently been on the wagon (I haven't checked the 2 ISOs for scum reads on Kraeg either so there is that)
2. As per Billy post, Kraeg has literally given up and scum are either already bussing or showing an intent to bus (if it's me or flippy for sake of thoroughness)
3. We are wrong and kraeg town
I'm leaning towards 2 but 3 keeps pinging in my mind because when you are lynching scum obviously scum resist and with so many people circling above Kraeg I wonder if we are straying from 2 to 3
What’s making you think that billy could be scum?
I dont like this post at allIn post 348, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If Kraeg town= Mohab sus
If Kraeg scum= Billy sus.
Either a town victory or good information on who’s scum. Win-win.
I dont like this post.In post 358, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I don't know whether to award this explicit invocation of what we're supposed to do town points or scum points, but it feels more like scum trying to avoid scrutiny for the unvote.
I'm just going to revisit my theory here because I believe the claim as I already felt like too many people wanted that lynch.In post 321, profii wrote:This is important actuallyIn post 319, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Kraeg, you're at L-1. Someone who isn't on your wagon at the moment gave intent already when you were at L-1. You've seemed pretty uncommitted to the game. You planning on defending yourself, or have you given up?
We have 4 on wagon. Flippy and myself were (are?) Still willing to vote once we thrash it out
That is 6/9 - what does this mean? Few scenarios:
1. Scum team is within {Kraeg / Luca / Billy} as all other players have recently been on the wagon (I haven't checked the 2 ISOs for scum reads on Kraeg either so there is that)
2. As per Billy post, Kraeg has literally given up and scum are either already bussing or showing an intent to bus (if it's me or flippy for sake of thoroughness)
3. We are wrong and kraeg town
I'm leaning towards 2 but 3 keeps pinging in my mind because when you are lynching scum obviously scum resist and with so many people circling above Kraeg I wonder if we are straying from 2 to 3
Yeah- if we believe the claim and Kraeg is town, as I have said there was a lot of people pushing him, ergo scum dont need to risk having 2 players on the wagonIn post 371, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Oh never mind you split them into 2 groups for some other reason.
yeah thats a good point i hadnt considered to be fairIn post 379, Garmr wrote:No offence but all the unvotes on kreag seems like a noob thing to do. Like his probably claimed his real role but his scum which is why he took so long to actually claim because he was deciding to claim his real role or not. Town kreag would of claimed straight away.
In post 382, Mohab500 wrote:It's Kraeg + Garmr.
So you decided to remove your vote, as did nearly the entire wagon, but then you have decided that Garmrs point is valid but he is also scum at the same time?
We will circle back to this one as well when the time is rightIn post 399, Garmr wrote:sigh another game with legit bad town desicions this is demotivating
Well this makes voting easierIn post 400, Garmr wrote:I didn't want to counter claim but I guess I have to since your all dumb as bricks I'm town jail keeper.