Yeah I think you flip scum regardless of what BlackStar flips. If only enough people agreed with me we could probably just fade you todayIn post 1507, Dannflor wrote: besides whatever Blackstar flips I’m pretty sure you’re gonna use it as an excuse to kill me next
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People townread confidence and taking solidified positions. I think you're scum tryharding right now and trying to get townreadIn post 1510, Dannflor wrote: I have no idea why you think I have to feign that confidence as scum-
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1494 is a fake post. There's no way Dannflor read over a game, decided it was enough to make BlackStar town, and then couldn't remember which game he read over when asked to talk about it. If that game truly convinced him BlackStar is townie, he would have provided more in 1494. Hell he would have shared this opinionmuchsooner, like when he read over the game. Instead he just casually brushed it off. It's a fake read, and I think it's a read scum!Dann makes regardless of BlackStar's alignment-
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This post is really really weirdIn post 1515, Andante wrote: can we just lim the claimed scum then talk tomorrow?-
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In post 807, Andante wrote: can we not? like I'm the only one actually trying to play this game
This frustration feels kinda fake. Now that other people are talking and trying to solve the game Andante wants us to stop talking and fade someone?In post 809, Andante wrote: yall are the ones refusing to talk to me, ignoring anything I do say, I bring up legit points and you're like "VOTE ANDANTE"-
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I do want you to flip scum, but mainly because I want to be right and it will be good for my ego
Pedit: You misunderstood. I wasn't saying you were lying about looking over the game. I said you lied about not being sure which game you looked over. "I think it was this game" was a fake thought. You know exactly what game you looked over, and if you didn't then why wouldn't you just look through it a little instead of posting that you're not sure? It comes off as you trying to be casual about being asked to explain a read and it feels unnatural. I think town!you would just quote the game and go into details about why you think he's town. You barely gave anything, but this was the game that convinced you he was town? I doubt it-
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I'm actually starting to see a world where BlackStar is town and Dannflor is scum-
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That's fairIn post 1526, bob3141 wrote:
there is no need to rush the day. but as things stand for now my vote is better placed on gob for nowIn post 1505, Black wrote:
We get no information from a Gumi/gob flip. BlackStar is a better vote imoIn post 1503, bob3141 wrote: iv only jusst really noticed how little gum did day one. interaction with 1-2 two player and 2 read lists
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I'm sorry if I'm wrong about youIn post 1530, Dannflor wrote: I understand why you think that was scummy but I am just town and town did indeed post that
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What's your point? My reads are fluid. Is this your only takeaway from the last 10 pages?In post 1531, AnimatedWiz wrote:In post 1323, Black wrote: Yeah I'm thinking BlackStar flips scum regardless of Dann's alignmentIn post 1511, Black wrote:
Yeah I think you flip scum regardless of what BlackStar flips. If only enough people agreed with me we could probably just fade you todayIn post 1507, Dannflor wrote: besides whatever Blackstar flips I’m pretty sure you’re gonna use it as an excuse to kill me next
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I just think it's weird how you seemed genuinely frustrated that no one was talking or playing the game, and then when activity picks up you want us to stop talking and fade someone. It doesn't matter if that was posted a week ago or yesterday, your desire for people to contribute more should still be in tact. It's just strange to me how a lot was said over the last several pages and you just reduced it down to "OMG it's Dan" so you don't have to say anything about it
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And like the only person you want to engage with here is a semi cleared player that you think is town? Yeah I don't get it-
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There's no hatred? I just think your behavior seems off and I wanted to engage with you about it-
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If gob/bug both flip town, what would your solve be?In post 1559, Andante wrote: that enough "caring" for yall? cool, all that did was convince me gob/bug are the next 2 lims-
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Gob do you think Dann is misguided town or scum pushing you?-
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Consider it for a second, then tell me what you think the solve might be in that scenario. Surely you've been this confident before and were wrong? Put yourself in those shoesIn post 1563, Andante wrote:
that's not happeningIn post 1560, Black wrote:
If gob/bug both flip town, what would your solve be?In post 1559, Andante wrote: that enough "caring" for yall? cool, all that did was convince me gob/bug are the next 2 lims-
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I wanted you to take 10 seconds to consider it and tell me your unfiltered thoughts. I'm sorry I even bothered tbh. Jesus ChristIn post 1568, Andante wrote:
you want me to waste my limited time I do have, and chase this path down, when it's guaranteed gob/bug are 2 scum, literally not happening, vote me out I don't care, but that's such a waste of time. no I haven't been that dead wrong beforeIn post 1565, Black wrote:
Consider it for a second, then tell me what you think the solve might be in that scenario. Surely you've been this confident before and were wrong? Put yourself in those shoesIn post 1563, Andante wrote:
that's not happeningIn post 1560, Black wrote:
If gob/bug both flip town, what would your solve be?In post 1559, Andante wrote: that enough "caring" for yall? cool, all that did was convince me gob/bug are the next 2 lims-
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Can you elaborate?
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What is the point of this post?In post 1594, BlackStar wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how much catching up do you have to do? You've been saying that you'll catch up for a few days nowIn post 1592, Hu Tao wrote: Sorry. Busy work week. I'll catch up soon.-
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At the time I was pretty sure they were scum together and I didn't want the wagon on BlackStar to fall apart. I think scum is pushing gob/bug and I didn't want momentum to shift to their wagonsIn post 1601, Merlyn wrote: If you're feeling this strongly, why vote for Blackstar over Dann? I do see you have sr or leaning sr on Blackstar for some stuff he said about JV, at a glance it looks pretty consistent. But this is such a strong statement- like, if you think it's a fake post for sure, why not vote for him?-
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Speaking of bug. This slot just needs to be replaced. They are continuously going 3-4 days without posting. It's ridiculous-
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That's e-2
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If BlackStar flips green the team is probably Annie/Dannflor/Andante or something-
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I voted for BlackStar because I thought he was scummy. I didn't want to move that vote to Dann because I want to fade scum and I didn't think I would be able to fade Dann todayIn post 1609, Merlyn wrote: And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?-
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Yeah maybe Andante is ok. I'm just trying to consider a world where you're town. I think Dannflor/Annie are very likely scum in this world but I'm not sure who the third would beIn post 1610, BlackStar wrote:
What makes you say that? If Andante is somehow scum then she deserves an Oscar lol.In post 1608, Black wrote: If BlackStar flips green the team is probably Annie/Dannflor/Andante or something-
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I don't think Gob is scum and I think bug could very easily be a checked out townie. These are low-hanging fruit slots that provide zero information on a flip. I don't understand why people want them dead so bad. I think scum are pushing these slotsIn post 1613, BlackStar wrote:
If you want to fade scum then you should be on Bug or GobIn post 1612, Black wrote:
I voted for BlackStar because I thought he was scummy. I didn't want to move that vote to Dann because I want to fade scum and I didn't think I would be able to fade Dann todayIn post 1609, Merlyn wrote: And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?-
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This entire case could be explained by gob being bad at playing townie lolIn post 1617, BlackStar wrote: Here’s my case against gob
In Post 1177 he says that either Merlyn or Bug are scum before he even reads the game. That does not seem like the actions of someone who’s town.
In post 1779 he adds my name to the end of Afrayed’s wagon for some reason even though I never voted for him. Andante was the hammer, so where did that even come from? He proceeds to vote for Merlyn and say it’s PoE without explaining how.
Then he makes this weird post about the IC being hypocritical.
In post 1237 he quotes the VC from when Afrayed was lynched but asks a couple of us if we were there around the time of the hammer. He was obviously just looking at those pages of the game, so there’s no point in asking us this. It comes across as a phony attempt to look like he’s trying to figure things out.
Post 1580 was baffling to me. How could not placing a single vote all Day 1 and voting for someone besides the mis-limed townie be equal actions in his eyes? It just seemed like a lazy excuse to join the wagon.
Anyway I don't think Gob is scum and I'm starting to really doubt my read on you BlackStar. Care to join me on an Annie wagon?
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Wait why are you casing gob but voting for bug?-
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Annie can you go into why you think Merlyn is scum-
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You didn't really say why you don't trust Merlyn/why you scumread her in #1410. Surely there was more to your read there other than she was on the Afrayed wagon?-
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You seem more confident in your Gob scumread so why not vote there?In post 1627, BlackStar wrote: I can scum read more than one person-
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A Dann/Annie team would do that. I suspected them both D1In post 1634, Andante wrote: like the ani/merlyn/X world has 3rd scum being like dann or someone, I'm not going down that till tomorrow, cause scum tried to kill black last night, I don't see a charles/bug/X team doing that.. hmmm-
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Bug is getting replaced. I think we should let the replacement talkIn post 1635, Andante wrote: means bug lim wouldn't be optimal here, but like, bug literally isn't doing anything,,,,-
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I wouldn't say I'm great at scum hunting but I do appreciate the sentiment lolIn post 1638, Andante wrote: yeah thinking more about the kill on you, I'm like, that would HAVE to be like not the lurkers lol, cause you're really good at scumhunting, I'll follow you today, we don't have to go for bug/gob
Since you're willing to cooperate with me I'll consider helping you push someone D3 if I'm wrong here-
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Dann/Annie/Merlyn is my hero solve
I think Merlyn fits here as someone that would want me dead N1 for multiple reasons. She mentioned in a game we played together last month that she thinks I'm really good at finding scum. She also might be worried here that I could sniff out her scum game since I played with her when she was scum in a newbie game a few months ago
I think it fits but I'm not sure if this is the world we live in-
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Bob why did you investigate Hu Tao instead of Merlyn or one of your other scumreads?-
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You do this a lot where you answer for people. I don't like it. I want to engage with Bob hereIn post 1661, AnimatedWiz wrote: I think Bob said he was trying to confirm someone as a townie instead of clearing a scumread?-
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Not quite. I am picturing a world where Bob is lying though. He cleared one of the most townread slots in the game instead of targeting in his PoE. I think Hu Tao would be town in this world. I haven't thought about where you fit in thereIn post 1663, Dannflor wrote: black is doing the calculations on whether i can still be scum buddies with hu tao-
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I really don't like how he claimed. Like at all. The AtE and then slow trickle of information. I think the play is probably to just trust Bob and I'm willing to do that, but I'm not 100% confident he's being truthful here-
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Yeah this is what I'm thinking but I still want to engage with people to try and read them betterIn post 1667, Dannflor wrote: i think it is not worth hypothesizing about such a world because bob has claimed macho and should 100% die tonight-
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I don't really agree with that logic. If you target in your PoE and are wrong then you still get a clear. If you are right then you get a guilty. It's a win/win
Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town is the scummiest thing you could do, but I agree that the play is to let you live for now and let scum deal with you-
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Targeting the top townread also puts you at risk of wasting your action on the potential NK. Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't think it's the best playIn post 1680, bob3141 wrote:
i disagree. you need to factor in who you want alive as game goes on and who is simply better executed even if they flip town. While factoring 4 steps ahead as there is difference between what you said "Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town" and targeted an expect misexecution.In post 1674, Black wrote: I don't really agree with that logic. If you target in your PoE and are wrong then you still get a clear. If you are right then you get a guilty. It's a win/win
Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town is the scummiest thing you could do, but I agree that the play is to let you live for now and let scum deal with you-
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I think townies make bad plays all the time tbh. It happens to the best of usIn post 1682, bob3141 wrote: says the person that tried to push Hu Tao at the start of day 2-
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Andante did say you were soft cleared and never explained it?
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In post 1095, Hu Tao wrote: Currently thinking at least 2 scum in this pool
- brightbluebug
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- Gumiguy
- Dannflor
With 1 possibly in this one.
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- BlackStar
- Merlyn
I'll need to read up on the top 4 againIn post 1145, Hu Tao wrote: Hmmmm. Need to look into bugIn post 1185, Hu Tao wrote: Um.. I'll read this tonight.
Please come playIn post 1592, Hu Tao wrote: Sorry. Busy work week. I'll catch up soon.-
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This feels like a pretty convoluted reason when Dann could just say one of the choices is scum and he strongly townreads two of them. I find it weird that he left BlackStar out of his reasoning hereIn post 1706, Dannflor wrote: I think it means one of the choices is scum and I’m gonna go with the one i think has a pure composition
Meh. Maybe they are paired
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Yeah I should probably check my conf bias lol. I still think BlackStar is the best fade today-
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You don't just think he's town. You're convinced to the extent that you're willing to be faded instead of him just so we would trust your read on him. Which is wild anyway considering even if you flip town that doesn't mean BlackStar is town too. I just think your confidence in your reads feels completely unnatural. I admit it could be because I'm rarely confident in my own reads, but my gut is telling me it's because you're informed
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Reducing the votes on you to this is disingenuous. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one that believes this theoryIn post 1725, BlackStar wrote: The case against me seems to be that Dannflor and I town read each other so we must be scum buddies-
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I have too. This doesn't feel like one of those times to me. The strength of the TR doesn't feel realIn post 1730, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Hmm, nah be careful. I've seen countless times where Town is so confident in a TR that they're willing to off themselves to keep them alive.In post 1726, Black wrote:You don't just think he's town. You're convinced to the extent that you're willing to be faded instead of him just so we would trust your read on him. Which is wild anyway considering even if you flip town that doesn't mean BlackStar is town too. I just think your confidence in your reads feels completely unnatural. I admit it could be because I'm rarely confident in my own reads, but my gut is telling me it's because you're informed
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I think it's the opposite. I think Dann flips red here regardless. The way he has positioned himself and his reads feels really agenda driven and opportunistic. I will reassess as we get closer to the deadline but this is where I want my vote right now-
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Do you think Dannflor could be doing this?In post 1763, bob3141 wrote: Why do you think they are town?
Im pretty sure your scum doing oen of two things. One scum protecting a partner or two scum positioning themselves to benifit from town driven misexecution-
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How does revealing this reason before she even has the chance to react to the clears help you though? And how do you think scum!Titus would have reacted here?In post 1778, Dannflor wrote:
I have a reason for itIn post 1772, JacksonVirgo wrote: I very much dislike dann throwing the clears down her throat.
It’ll help me read her-
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I don't understand how you could feel good about this solve when less than 24 hours ago you we're all but locktowning BlackStar and your solve was Titus/gob/MerlynIn post 1786, Dannflor wrote: But right now I feel good about BlackStar/gob/merlyn being the solve
Now you think Titus is town and BlackStar is scum but your world view hasn't changed at all? It's still gob and Merlyn with them?
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If you're town then I think he's trying to pocket you here-
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