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VOTE: A Simple Plan
For being too lazy to come up with a complicated plan.
I find this flattering But I didn't get coached.In post 68, Dunnstral wrote:In post 52, Toto wrote: Did you get coached...? This doesn't really match up with your previous posts
I thought the same. But then I optimistically took it as a compliment.In post 70, itlepip wrote:If somebody coached him to do that then they suck. I'm going to wait for a VC before I vote but yeesh this game has a weird start. Maria and toto have both pinged me out. Dunn's thing about zach was stupid. I like getting early townreads but you guys are making it impossible.
I believe ignoring you, or not having any questions, are not the only two options here. Again, I find the way you ask questions a bit misleading.In post 130, grapes wrote: @Toto I asked if you had any questions for me. Did you ignore me or do you not have any?
I played a live game with friends about two weeks ago for the first time, then I looked on Google and found epicmafia, played one game there which seemed too confusing (too many weird roles), and then found this site and like very much it so far!In post 149, TwoFace wrote: @toto. Outside this site how many games have you played? Where else have you played? If this is your first site, why did you decide to play here.
Yeah, I can see how he could use his persona to his advantage if he were scum. I'm not sure if that helps us at this stage.First off I don't think you should let twoface off the hook for 'playing to a persona' or whatever.
I can see how that could be true, see my explanation below to what I was trying to say, though.The grapes read is weird for similar reasons to why what Maria said is weird. Scum really don't have to slip, and honestly in most games they aren't going to.
My thinking was the following:Second why is it too early to get scum to slip, why do you think Grapes couldn't actually be scumreading you, and why is it more likely to lead to a ML than whatever you think we should do right now?
You seem to agree I'm scum. I can not find any reference to a post where you say 'I agree with you Grapes' if that's what you mean.In post 171, Dunnstral wrote:Please point out where I am defensive of Grapes and "agree with them"In post 165, Toto wrote:Dunn seems to agree with Grapes and somewhat defensive of her. Not sure why she is reading her town so fast, therefore my question above.
Thanks for the honesty. I appreciate the feeeback. I understand that is dumb to town readIn post 223, Dunnstral wrote:They're all dumb things to have saidIn post 192, Xkfyu wrote:I don't follow.In post 172, Dunnstral wrote:Wait what am I reading
In post 169, MariaR wrote:Alos I did it to make toto not feel pressuered by your vote so he could read normally and not feel rushed some people don't feel that way with votes but I don't know who that is.In post 165, Toto wrote:I'm not sure what that means, but since he is defending me I feel emotionally inclined to townread him a little bit.In post 165, Toto wrote:Scum will eventually slip (logically) because they have no choice. But it is too early in the game for that to work, and I think the strategy is more likely to get us a mislynch at this stage of the game. That is something scum would benefit from so I guess I should read her a bit scummy.
Maria is trying to make sure toto doesn't feel pressured
Toto is emotionally inclined to townread someone who defended them
Toto thinks scum "eventually slip (logically)" in every game
In post 177, Dunnstral wrote:I think you're scummy. You'll note that you haven't even been taking up my primary attentionIn post 173, Toto wrote:You seem to agree I'm scum. I can not find any reference to a post where you say 'I agree with you Grapes' if that's what you mean.In post 171, Dunnstral wrote:Please point out where I am defensive of Grapes and "agree with them"In post 165, Toto wrote:Dunn seems to agree with Grapes and somewhat defensive of her. Not sure why she is reading her town so fast, therefore my question above.
On the defending, I apologize because I thought I remembered something about this, but it must have been the interaction about grapes in space.
Also, can you answer my question, why do you think Grapes is town?
Your only basis for seeing a connection between me and grapes is that we both think you're scummy on page 7
I'm townreading Grapes because I've played with them where they were mafia before and I think they're town so far into this
I've only played one other game and I'm not supposed to talk about it.In post 280, Dunnstral wrote:Have you ever played as scum before?In post 273, Toto wrote:I still think the statement about how scum needs to make logical fallacies later in the game as we get more information has some footing.
Ok,In post 279, Dunnstral wrote:I don't townread people unless I think they're townIn post 278, Toto wrote:It just seemed odd you were townreading them so fast. I mean. They must have done something townlike to make her go from neutral to town in your view, right? Or in other words, does lack of mafia tells in 7 pages means town or neutral?
I don't try to lynch people unless I think they're mafia
If They're neutral I'd still try to switch the vote to someone I scumread
I don't consider my reads to have formed too fast
I find this rather confusing. Specially since Dunn still doesn't answer my questions.In post 281, Naomi-Tan wrote: Dunnstral - I feel that they might be green. reds would been much less likely to step in on the color thing :3
Yeah there my Green pick of the week, Solid content. taking the time to explain things all good from them. can't see a Red!Motivation
In post 387, Naomi-Tan wrote:Im not sure what this question thing your talking about is, and I can't see scum! wanting to prevent the miss lynch on myself partially as its one of those things scum can easily wash their hands of after and he is vocal which is good.In post 384, Toto wrote:I find this rather confusing. Specially since Dunn still doesn't answer my questions.In post 281, Naomi-Tan wrote: Dunnstral - I feel that they might be green. reds would been much less likely to step in on the color thing :3
Yeah there my Green pick of the week, Solid content. taking the time to explain things all good from them. can't see a Red!Motivation
Why would Scum be less likely to step on the color thing? Seems to me like the small kind of thing they would pick up to get a mislynch.
Where is Dunn being nice and patient? SOLID content? WTF?
I don't have good feelings about this.
286In post 386, Dunnstral wrote:What question are you talking about
It is mostly calling things dumb and giving out read lists without explaining why. I'm not saying is particularly AI but I would not call it "solid".In post 385, itlepip wrote:What is your issue with Dunn's content outside of him not answering your question?
Dunn just answered it. They were at the end of the post.In post 393, Naomi-Tan wrote:Yeah I don't find missing question TOO scummy unless asked again as in; you point out you didn't answer this question and type it out again. I find your posts sorta tricky to read, sorry.
Ok, I think I got this now. You meant that even though he was the one that noticed the color thing did not use it and also dismissed it? Where did they step in?Dunnstral - I feel that they might be green. reds would been much less likely to step in on the color thing :3
Ok, I will re-read that later.In post 408, TwoFace wrote:Btw I'm not sure you're reading my posts closely or not but I actually haven't attempted to figure out if your play strikes me as a true newbie or not. I think you just misunderstood the discussion nos and I had about the usefulness of my questions to you.
Would that be me or 2-face? You already established Zach is scum and Grapes is town after a few pages of content.In post 921, Dunnstral wrote: I'm closest to lynch because there's 2 scum on me
You're dumbIn post 925, Dunnstral wrote:You (I established that too)
Reads: town!grapes town/not-scum!2face and probably-scum!zachIn post 942, Dunnstral wrote:Other 3 what
Because Zach is all over the place. So I don't have as strong as a read, it's mostly a gut feeling. With you is more of a logical deduction.In post 955, Dunnstral wrote:So why are you voting me, the counter wagon to Zach?
I just don't have a strong scum read on them. I don't have a town read either. The results of the mix-up are not good for town. You could conjecture from there it has a slight scum-lean.In post 1019, Zachstralkita wrote:I disagree, Pantherino. all he's doing is attempting to absolve himself of responsibility by claiming that he doesn't even SR her.In post 997, PantherPunt wrote:
the quoted post from toto is towny imho. it's not often you're going to see scum say "I suggest we lynch X and I don't really think she's that scummy"
The objective is to lynch scum here. Ergo if you don't think someone's scum, why are you lynching them? Naomi hasn't been disruptive at all to warrant a lynch. It's not her or my fault that people want to act so wacky about it.
You might want to check Massive. There was a discussion between him, Naomi and Dunn. There was a wagon on naomi, a wagon on massive, and much much more side shows!In post 1065, PantherPunt wrote:there is a reference to a 'slip' here
haven't gotten there in my reading, but if someone accused naomi of calling towns 'blue' being a slip...I'm going to be very interested to read their thought on that and what everyone else chimed in with
or there's something else that I haven't read...but I'm inferring from your blabber
So I guess it's Grapes or Dunn at this point. Or both.In post 1475, Dunnstral wrote:I visited Grapes
I was not the only one who didn't think about the roleblock. Without that the only logical conclusion is that you or Grapes is scum. Also not sure why'd you pick on me and not one of the most experienced players that should be more aware of a potential roleblock.In post 1558, Dunnstral wrote:Toto is scum for sure in a scenario where Grapes is town. The way hey came in and said that on of us h ad to be scum looked really bad and looked like setting up two mislynches in a row or the vig shot
If you forget about roleblock and assume one of you must be scum then it is logical that if we lycnhed you and you are not scum then we should ask vig to shoot grapes. Although in hindsight mafia could have a doctor so maybe even this was not smart to say.In post 1564, Dunnstral wrote:Because you were setting grapes up as wellIn post 1563, Toto wrote:Also not sure why'd you pick on me and not one of the most experienced players that should be more aware of a potential roleblock.
Who do you think is scum?
I don't like the fact that we get many people to claim and I read somewhere that was bad for town but I guess this is currently the 'correct' way to play so I should not suspect you for that.In post 1661, PantherPunt wrote:I need to hear why this is. If it's because I encouraged having something other than a runaway lead wagon on Dunn who I wanted to lynch badly, then I'm going to have to ask why that's suspect worthy and also suggest you not scumread proper play.In post 1571, Toto wrote:Well you asked me IF you are town. That means I need a 180 change.I mostly suspect panther actually.I didn't like all the wagons in the end. We should have lynched you after you claimed. Your role is pretty useless as you can see now. The other wagons did no good and he was the one encouraging back up wagons. Maybe I just dont see the point yet.
As of Zach. If you are town Ill start believing you more in your reads. I would say I don't like his posts but I think its mostly aesthetics.
Would this kill a BP? The way itlepip claimed is consistent with a BP.In post 1828, TwoFace wrote:If you're scum, or better yet a scum RB. Would scum block and kill the same person is what I'm wondering.
It would matter because scum didn't know that for sure. But if that is not possible then this is a moot discussion.In post 1831, TwoFace wrote:by BP you mean bulletproof? no i don't believe it would, but doesn't matter because he wasn't bulletproof
Yes if Dunn if scum then this makes sense. But I don't see the point of this discussion either.In post 1832, TwoFace wrote:yes I realize it would be simpler, but I still think it's a possibility but only if dunn is scum
I don't think you are contradicting each other...In post 1867, Xkfyu wrote:Maybe he's telling the truth AND you were roleblocked.In post 1859, Dunnstral wrote: Either I was roleblocked or grapes is lying.
Is there any way we can use this? I expect mafia to be more... coordinated?In post 1, Something_Smart wrote:17. The Mafia have unrestricted daytalk in this game.