Mini 1895: Shaziro Mafia - GAME OVER

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE:

[Eddie Cane]

oy

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: conmanmick

wording jt "lynch victim" is scum indicative

[Eddie Cane]

Imp, rvs target =\= lynch target.

@drk, 3rd vote always scum.

Don't like boo's soft mason claim.

Booskins is the best wagon right now. More pressure would be god. Although a lot of people will probably try to get onto the cmm wagon for no reason. Lets wait and see for a little bit.

he didn't soft mason, we are lovers.

cmm wagon is good wagon. vote cmm now!

[Eddie Cane]

lol^

[Eddie Cane]

now the question is does that useless effort post get town cred or is it scum trying to play king

[Eddie Cane]

LAL as a word represents my feelings rn

[Eddie Cane]

The claim appeared to be pretty obviously false imo... mainly because, as you pointed out, the concept of actually claiming lovers on Page 3 would be terribad. You don't need to run the math there.

Completely lost.
What is this referring to?

completely lost myself on what you're completely lost about

[Eddie Cane]

speak of the devil!

VOTE: cooldog

[Eddie Cane]

well my vote stays on cooldog (instead of cmm) regardless of if you sheep but yes

[Eddie Cane]

Were you intending to take me up on the offer (is that what the "speak of the devil!" meant??) or were you just changing votes?

Either way, I'm a frog of my word so

Unvote: IAlwaysWinSometimes

Vote: CooLDoG

fite me

Prolly idr

[Eddie Cane]

I have no issues with LaL, but it has to be an actual lie and not a joke. That was clearly a joke imo

I don't have a sense of humor.

Yet you have made posts in games you later said was a joke...

meta is bullshit and correlates with bad lynches.

oh man that cmm wagon is pretty slick

Unvote

VOTE: CMM

it is, but we don't have many cmm posts to go off of, need him to post more.

Why do people insist on making town lists ?? What value is in it??

there isn't any. It just gives scum good nk targets.

no clue, read lists are stupid and should never be done

scum lists aree somewhat useful in later days, not d1 and certainly not this early into d1.

Were you intending to take me up on the offer (is that what the "speak of the devil!" meant??) or were you just changing votes?

Either way, I'm a frog of my word so

Unvote: IAlwaysWinSometimes

Vote: CooLDoG

fite me

not an omgus, but you literally just said you like the cmm wagon. Seems like fishing for the easiest wagon to be on, as superhans points out in his next post.

This post is bad. as are his others. happy with my vote here.

[Eddie Cane]

Somebody who makes jokes should have totally seen that claim as a joke

...sometimes people miss things?

in particular i feel like cooldog is the kind of person who'd possibly take something like that literally. This isn't from scanning random games, this is from having seen him post on ms for years in discussion forums. And i certainly don't think he'd lie as scum about thinking that it was legitimate when he knew it was a joke. it's mostly moot anyway. it's not a strong read.

Do you think he's scum lying about having thought it was serious? What is the scum motivation for lying about something so arbitrary when everyone else would obviously know it's a joke?

scum motivation is a free large content post. he got to type a wall early in the game and 'contribute' to town

[Eddie Cane]

cooldog. why should I change my vote in 10 words or less

[Eddie Cane]

the cooldog wagon is lonely won't somebody come play

[Eddie Cane]

aaaah a ghost

[Eddie Cane]

I'd argue that I was significantly less transparent; i said I was sheeping when I was asked about it, DRK said she was sheeping before she even made her vote.

Exactly why I didn't like her vote, and i'm okay with yours.

@ Fitz very perceptive... i do always play better when mildly shitfaced as i'm sure you're aware

Eddie, what does the fact you're lonely on your wagon tell you?

I'm used to being the smartest kid in the class

[Eddie Cane]

@Fitz, Yup.

Implosion has shamelessly admitted to blindly following a wagon, not because he thinks it necessarily contains scum, but because he liked the players on the wagon.
It would also not be difficult for even a slightly self-aware scum to say that the vote was a pressure vote on a lurker. Therefore, I think Implosion is probably being honest, and he genuinely just sheeped town players as town.

What do you think Fitz?

It is perfectly fine to sheep your town reads at times. especially if you have no stronger read yourself. Stop pushing nai bs

[Eddie Cane]

Somebody who makes jokes should have totally seen that claim as a joke

...sometimes people miss things?

in particular i feel like cooldog is the kind of person who'd possibly take something like that literally. This isn't from scanning random games, this is from having seen him post on ms for years in discussion forums. And i certainly don't think he'd lie as scum about thinking that it was legitimate when he knew it was a joke. it's mostly moot anyway. it's not a strong read.

Do you think he's scum lying about having thought it was serious? What is the scum motivation for lying about something so arbitrary when everyone else would obviously know it's a joke?

scum motivation is a free large content post. he got to type a wall early in the game and 'contribute' to town

seriously. what it allows him to do is make a case and appear to be contributing to town. he didn't actually take it seriously, no competent player would ever take that seriously IMO, and he doesn't expect to be sheeped on it. it let's him push an unrealistic bad angle hard and "genuinely" and get off from it scrape free. it also excuses him from having to take actual stances. this is scum, fucking lynch it.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: user [/vote)

with a square bracket at the end

[Eddie Cane]

do you have an opinion on the arguments I presented against you?

[Eddie Cane]

false

[Eddie Cane]

204??

[Eddie Cane]

204??

and he doesn't reply. lol... (:

[Eddie Cane]

How do you do the white text to make a vote?

VOTE: user [/vote)

with a square bracket at the end

cmon man. I answered you in 2 mins and you still do nothing? the ultimate prodge

[Eddie Cane]

Somebody who makes jokes should have totally seen that claim as a joke

...sometimes people miss things?

in particular i feel like cooldog is the kind of person who'd possibly take something like that literally. This isn't from scanning random games, this is from having seen him post on ms for years in discussion forums. And i certainly don't think he'd lie as scum about thinking that it was legitimate when he knew it was a joke. it's mostly moot anyway. it's not a strong read.

Do you think he's scum lying about having thought it was serious? What is the scum motivation for lying about something so arbitrary when everyone else would obviously know it's a joke?

scum motivation is a free large content post. he got to type a wall early in the game and 'contribute' to town

seriously. what it allows him to do is make a case and appear to be contributing to town. he didn't actually take it seriously, no competent player would ever take that seriously IMO, and he doesn't expect to be sheeped on it. it let's him push an unrealistic bad angle hard and "genuinely" and get off from it scrape free. it also excuses him from having to take actual stances. this is scum, fucking lynch it.

early in the game you have to start the scum hunting off from somewhere, and what motivation is there to make a joke lover claim on page 3? I don't understand you point.

??

motivation?

[Eddie Cane]

Imp, rvs target =\= lynch target.

@drk, 3rd vote always scum.

Don't like boo's soft mason claim.

Booskins is the best wagon right now. More pressure would be god. Although a lot of people will probably try to get onto the cmm wagon for no reason. Lets wait and see for a little bit.

he didn't soft mason, we are lovers.

cmm wagon is good wagon. vote cmm now!

you started attacking him "softing masons", which again, was an obvious joke. I returned with another joke. There's no town or scum motivation to claiming lovers page 3, there is however scum motivation in attacking it as I've explained.

[Eddie Cane]

Oh boy. hi wheme.

[Eddie Cane]

i don't think it's worth really arguing this further unless i get a stronger townread on cooldog and he's under more pressure. I simply disagree that it's likely scum-motivated. It's certainly possible; I think it's extremely unlikely.

I agree with this. In fact, I think there's actual pro town aspect to joke claiming. Wifom's the scum team wondering about if they should shoot said jokers or not. Drawing a NK is good work if you aren't a strong PR.

i hope you aren't serious.

I want him lynched and I think TwoFace does too so I think that's as pressured as you're going to get. if you don't think it's likely to be scummy what do you think about my interactions with cooldog last page?

[Eddie Cane]

Implosions last posts all scream LAMIST.

do you find this scummy?

[Eddie Cane]

I think lamist is a rly rly bad tell

[Eddie Cane]

you started attacking him "softing masons", which again, was an obvious joke. I returned with another joke. There's no town or scum motivation to claiming lovers page 3, there is however scum motivation in attacking it as I've explained.

Agree

cool, whatever, lynch me.

This is bad play. Not.AI, just bad play.
CoolDog u r not gonna get lynched anytime soon.

The game has been rely dead recently, and apathy is the mother of Defeat.

@whemeatar why Desully?

my point is that if this is the bar that the town sets for a lynch, then they should go ahead an lynch me for it. Meaning, if people are going to push for this type of lynch I think the rest of the town will get a pretty clear picture of the fabricated scum case on me. However, I agree, I'm probably not going to get lynched on this. It really is quite the flimsy case of: "he misred page 3 joke, got out of rvs on it, thus lynch him". And this is quite degenerate.

ALso, obviously imp is making a mountain out of a mole-hill, but I'm not sure that it is scummy. I'm still happy with my drk vote.

This is misrepping and omgus. you call it a fabricated scum case, yet you're voting DRK instead of myself or even TwoFace? you also still have not directly replied to my post that I directly asked you to reply to. oh, and the fact you're trying to take credit for getting out of rvs is hilarious.

[Eddie Cane]

you started attacking him "softing masons", which again, was an obvious joke. I returned with another joke. There's no town or scum motivation to claiming lovers page 3, there is however scum motivation in attacking it as I've explained.

Agree

cool, whatever, lynch me.

This is bad play. Not.AI, just bad play.
CoolDog u r not gonna get lynched anytime soon.

The game has been rely dead recently, and apathy is the mother of Defeat.

@whemeatar why Desully?

my point is that if this is the bar that the town sets for a lynch, then they should go ahead an lynch me for it. Meaning, if people are going to push for this type of lynch

I think the rest of the town will get a pretty clear picture of

the fabricated scum case

on me.

However, I agree, I'm probably not going to get lynched on this. It really is quite the flimsy case of: "he misred page 3 joke, got out of rvs on it, thus lynch him". And this is quite degenerate.

ALso, obviously imp is making a mountain out of a mole-hill, but I'm not sure that it is scummy. I'm still happy with my drk vote.

And make me respond to your bullshit. If that is enough to lynch me on it then do it. also, the claim is not that I got us out of rvs, but that I got myself out of rvs with that vote/argument... don't be silly. I'm pretty sure I have responded enough for you to arbitrate upon if this case is a valid reason to lynch me or not, I'm not going to continue to talk about some scum tell you found on page 3 till the end of the day.

I could vote for you, but it depends on how long you are going to tunnel vision me.

Right now I have you down as misguided town/null who thinks they struck gold when they haven't.

Not worthy of my vote atm. Two face is more of a sheep, I want to see what happens when this wagon inevitably breaks down. If he follows and doesn't give much content to the next pop wagon he hops onto, then I would probably consider voting for him.

[Eddie Cane]

Yes, I was probably a bit hasty in the first post, and I admit the contradiction. I think that people who vote to lynch me off of this case probably deserve some scum points. However, I can see how making this case could come from scum or town. SO yeah, you got me, I'll admit it.

Still not going to vote you (depends on how far you take this tunnel),

still need more info to decide on two face, still happy with my drk vote.

see, how I interpret this is "unvote me or I'll start pushing your lynch". aka, you'll town read me as long as I unvote you. am I misunderstanding? if so, what did you mean by that?

[Eddie Cane]

can confirm I'm probably not a lover with boon

[Eddie Cane]

sometimes people deserve being mislynched. take momo or even wheme honestly. if you're going to play a trolly low effort game and you get lynched that's on you.

[Eddie Cane]

sometimes people deserve being mislynched. take momo or even wheme honestly. if you're going to play a trolly low effort game and you get lynched that's on you.

Have my votes been bad votes

I was more speaking to how easy it was to mislynch you when I was scum

[Eddie Cane]

sometimes people deserve being mislynched. take momo or even wheme honestly. if you're going to play a trolly low effort game and you get lynched that's on you.

Unfortunately this is not how you win games as town!

hence why certain people end up being blacklisted.

[Eddie Cane]

sometimes people deserve being mislynched. take momo or even wheme honestly. if you're going to play a trolly low effort game and you get lynched that's on you.

But when you have a player who has intentionally deceived people, you don't ignore that cause that's legitimately scummy.

I'm already voting cooldog don't gotta sell me

[Eddie Cane]

Honestly if you can claim to have a scum read on me after the few things I've said, then that's worrying. I'll be more active when my life gets less busy (soon), but I do read everything and I'm trying to post once per day.

I don't like this post

[Eddie Cane]

I consider wheme null. I consider pushing him scummy.

[Eddie Cane]

because I just played with wheme from a scum pov (he was town I was scum) and I think it's more likely scum would push him. Obviously, if he is lynched and flips scum that changes. I give scum points for pushing lynchbaity ppl though.

[Eddie Cane]

now, the fact my top scum read cooldog is pushing wheme is partially influential. iirc fitz was the only wheme vote I was satisfied with, that's without rereading the votes which I'll do now

[Eddie Cane]

Spoiler:

can someone explain the wagon on CoolDog in plain english? like a TLDR, because i havent.

Eddie "claimed" lovers on page 3, CD jumped on him pretty hard for it. People are saying that CoolDog is now scum for that, because the reaction was more likely to come from scum than town? idk... I don't buy it tbh.

Whassup folks.

VOTE: Desully

My vote goes here

Really didn't like Darklyns first couple posts... cmon man you put me in a rough spot

I really don't like this intro to the game.

VOTE: WhemeStar

The site meta for shitposters is more than a little annoying, because it's almost impossible to read them either way. It's the only time I will ever call for a PL - you're either going to be productive to town and make good quality posts, or you're going to be lynched.

The site meta for shitposters is more than a little annoying, because it's almost impossible to read them either way. It's the only time I will ever call for a PL - you're either going to be productive to town and make good quality posts, or you're going to be lynched.

don't necessarily like this, seems like going for an easy lynch.

Not the intent necessarily - I'm just beyond frustrated that site meta is now to allow shitposters to do whatever they want without actually contributing to town. They get a pass for being trolls, essentially, and I'm tired of it.

so what's worse. lying multiple times and also setting a poor player up for another false accusation as soon as they make a post OR a player just playing like shit?

cause that's basically where we are at with CD and Wheme.

CD has made posts in attempt to deceive people, where as wheme is just being a useless prick.

That is harsh. I just don't have anything to go off of right now. i have my scumish reads and my town reads. I like keeping thoughts to myself

What motivation would town have for keeping thoughts to themselves? If anything, transparency is our greatest asset, because if we end up lynched/nightkilled/etc., it shows that our thoughts are genuine and can be read in a different perspective going forward.

I understand not outing townreads - I dont believe that's a good idea unless I feel a scenario is tvt and everyone is focusing on those two players. But not giving justification for a vote and claiming "that's just how you play" benefits nobody. And I looked through your ISO for some of your completed games... yes, your playstyle is normally a bunch of one liners and shitposting, but I can see actual attempts at scumhunting and building cases on people. That isn't happening in this game so far, and that's why my vote is staying where it is.

VOTE: whemestar
Content less posts. No meaningful justification for vote. Rears head only when voted.

Dats how I play.

Take your vote off me scum.

no

I realize from past games that scum are usually the ones to lead the mislynch on me. Don't do it this game please and thanks

meta is bullshit

Why am I the only one voting Desully. If someone votes him with me it will make me happy

because it is a bad vote.

The site meta for shitposters is more than a little annoying, because it's almost impossible to read them either way. It's the only time I will ever call for a PL - you're either going to be productive to town and make good quality posts, or you're going to be lynched.

don't necessarily like this, seems like going for an easy lynch.

Says the one who's posts aren't quality posts at all lol. More like scum trying to push a mislynch by calling it a "policy lynch". It won't work so stop trying.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: havingfitz

I'll sheep u implosion

But this is actually horrible because not only does wheme come out to play right after he only gets two votes on him, but he also shifts his vote and trys to get a buddy with the sheep comment. My vote stays.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've said meta is bullshit in nearly every game I play and I stand by it.

VOTE: WhemeStar

Whemestar where do you stand on cooldog?

also i'd like to hear why you think fitz is scum.

i think i'd know best out of everyone as me and Fitz played scum in an open Nightless game with daychat.

*scum reading you.

Vote is on WhemeStar because i dont think a player should be able to get away with playing the way he is.

His entrance was terrible. Vote on Desully as a pressure vote made sense, but im not fond of anything hes posted so far.

OK...from the start read through catchup:

Page 1 misc RVS crap (plus a claim?)

Is DRK being cheeky scum here?

I'm considering the Eddie "lovers" claim legit. Just saying.

Not a fan of Imp's Post 47. IAWS has done virtually nothing (i.e. most of his wagon at this point is RVS I assume) and yet Imp is giving CMM some shit for moving off IAWS.

CoolDog....oh me oh my....LAMIST post 51? A quick ISO makes me think CooLDoG is more a TR than a SR for me.

UNVOTE: CooLDoG

I definitely see the point of others who think CD was trying to come off as town with his reaction...but I'm going to believe it. If I'm scum and someone claims early unnecessarily (and if I believe them)...then I'm just playing it off and I'll consider how to handle it that night. Like I said...it does come across a little LAMIST to me but I'm choosing to believe it for now.

Townreading Hans so far.

IAWS was at l-3 before he had even made his first post.

Kind of feeling Desully is town.
Kind of feeling horrordude is town.

@ Imp...Why are IAWS and Boon scum?
Imp shines a little shade (IMO) on Hans...

OK...so imp is probably calling Boon scum for OMGUS (yes?)...but decides to get off his scum!IAWS wagon and hop on the wagon scum!Boon just exited. Also happens to be the largest wagon.

@Hans...I think at this point in the game we had been out of RVS for a bit.

Liking horror a bit.

implosion makes nice well-reasoned posts but I'm not sure that they are getting anywhere. Kind of like a butterfly just flittering around looking for a good spot to land.

Kind of TRing DRK from her "sheeping" exchange with Hans. Still TRing Hans as well btw.

204 by Eddie is a compelling case for CooLDoG. Whether I believe Cool or not...I can't find too much fault in those that have voted him.

So Eddie... 222are you definitively saying the lover claim with you and Boon is fake? If so...I need to relook at both of you. I still TR you but I would need to look Boon over again. And when you are saying CooLDoG attacked you are you are referring to his indignation that could be construed as coming from town...yes? Not attack in the sense that he wanted to kickstart a wagon on you or Boon...yes?

I really didn't like WhemeStar's posts 227 and 228. Nor his response to me asking him about it. I left it alone because 1) I didn't think questioning him was going to get any further and 2) I assumed he was saying Darklyn was claiming fruit vendor....hence the rough spot. But as the role is NAI regardless of whther my assuming is right or not...I'm not going to consider it.

@Boon...the trouble with joking (or in this case fakeclaiming) is that bad shit can happen to town. Fakeclaims can result in real PRs claiming. Fakeclaims can get the ire of town and result in TvT wagons/attacks. Sure...there could be instances where scum could be baited into NKing a no-low PR townie that fakeclaimed...but anything that interjects unnecessary WIFOM is an unnecessary pita.

Nice observation by Eddie....making me rethink my rethinking of CooLDoG.....

@Hans...I do not recall seeing you ask me a question about CooLDoG. If you mean the general question horror answered....because it was a general question and horror answered it.

@imp...why does having nothing to do with your vote make you happy? If I'm being "opaque" ask me a question. At least I am (was) voting someone I suspect. More than what a few can say atm. I voted CooLDoG initially on the tails of a good post by Eddie that made sense to me + pressure. On closer reread this morning I am less sure about Cool though. I've gone back and forth on him. As for my questions...not a lot. Mostly just clearing up others comments so I would better understand them. In the case of the question I asked you...I asked it out of context and once I realized it there was no reason to ponder it more.

@WhemeStar...do you have any completed scum games on this site? If "dat's how you play" describes your play so far in this game and others...you are going to continue being scum's best friend every time you don't roll scum. Which is TBD in this game.

@WhemeStar...so CooLDoG is scum for voting you, the player you were voting (DeSully) I assume you'd still like to see lynched, and horror is scum for trying to push a PL mislynch. And so you decide to vote me. WTF? And how are two questions you didn't provide any response to AI towards me? smh....

VOTE: WhemeStar

Other persons of interest at this point are IAWS, CMM, implosion....and CooLDoG.

@Hans...did I need to give you special attention?

Also...if I post anymore today it will be short phone snippets as I will be traveling most of today and another game (and RL) needs my attention before I leave in a few hours.

VOTE: Whemestar

The way he is playing comes off as scum trying to act all trolly and aggressive, but it really doesn't come off as genuine to me.

Also to respond to @havingfitz, I said that I was having issues posting which is why I didn't post until a few days into the game.

I stand by what I said earlier. Day 1 is just a gut-feeling day, as there's obviously no evidence to work with. And to answer whoever said I should have found examples, I'm too lazy. Every vote has been based on flimsy evidence to support gut feeling. In my opinion there's no denying that. I call the evidence flimsy but I certainly believe you all believe your own evidence in strong. I voted wheme based on gut; I figured I needed to vote for

someone

, and my gut is telling me wheme is scummy scum scum. You can say it's hopping on an easy wagon, but I only waited until now because his response to the earlier votes on him today and yesterday have been suspicious and given me a bad feeling. And if we're going to lynch someone, I think it should be him.

Okay. every mention of wheme from the voters I could find. this wagon is bad and you should feel bad for being on it.

horror is basically advocating a pl which I'd adamantly disagree with but due to the recent MOMOMAN epidemic I'd pass it as nai and playstyle differences. the problem is in 290 he contradicts his 286 to a degree - wheme isn't even bad enough to warrant a policy lynch

I've covered why I think CD is scum. his wheme comments themselves aren't awful, but it's awfully convenient he's pushing the most mislynch able player and doesn't even mention wheme again past 288

super is similar. not completely awful comments, but very few comments all around and it's half policy lynch.

fitz only has one post so for now I refrain judgment, I accept the reasoning in said post

IAWS posts make a bit of sense? best of the lot anyways

in conclusion, wheme wagon bad

[Eddie Cane]

if he targets you you get a mod message along the line of "you received a fruit"

[Eddie Cane]

fake claiming fruit vendor makes no sense, so he's likely either town or scum fruit vendor.

[Eddie Cane]

horror is basically advocating a pl which I'd adamantly disagree with but due to the recent MOMOMAN epidemic I'd pass it as nai and playstyle differences. the problem is in 290 he contradicts his 286 to a degree - wheme isn't even bad enough to warrant a policy lynch

I cant speak for Horror, so correct me if im wrong, but Whemes low substance troll play is to make up for the fact he is scum and cant genuinely town hunt.

pedit:
whats ur role Whemestar?

and now back on topic; why the fuck did you ask for a claim here

[Eddie Cane]

and no, I think it's been pretty y clearly stated that wheme this is Whemes play and not whatever bs you said

[Eddie Cane]

super is similar. not completely awful comments, but very few comments all around and it's half policy lynch.

im not 100% sure of either CoolDog or Whemestar since its D1. its not policy lynch, more the fact that CoolDog seems like a lynchbait.

cooldog is lynchbait... but wheme isn't? ?_?

[Eddie Cane]

that being said WhemeStars wagon has grown very quickly which is unlikely considering his case, as Eddie points out, isnt that comprehensive, and scum never get lynched D1...

UNVOTE:

So you ask for a claim at l-2 on a wagon I just criticized and then you unvoted before he even comes back to post?

[Eddie Cane]

Fruit vendor

and you claim at l-3????

[Eddie Cane]

no. you can't be confirmed, it's just as likely you'll be mafia fruit vendor. you're just confirmed as a fruit vendor.

[Eddie Cane]

can you quote everything in that string please?

[Eddie Cane]

anyone wanna buy some fruit

lol

and again

I believe you're a fruit vendor

why does this make you a town fruit vendor automatically?

[Eddie Cane]

you do count as a pr and fruit vendor has been scum the only game I've seen it on ms

[Eddie Cane]

If so why would scum ever receive my role In a normal game that are balanced

Okay you're new so I won't read your alignment for this. consider it educational

a) scum receive all kind of prs, including much stronger ones than fruit vendor. scum cops, scum watchers, etc.
b) fruit vendor is a very weak pr. it does not significantly benefit either alignment to have a fruit vendor. minor balancing is all.
c) what would make a scum fruit vendor unbalanced and/or not normal?

[Eddie Cane]

yes

[Eddie Cane]

btw after we lynch cd I'm giving Hans and then wheme another look. Hans is currently the next lynch in eddieland.

[Eddie Cane]

I think? I've seen scum watcher for sure, I'm pretty sure I've seen scum cop.

[Eddie Cane]

how do you check that? seems useful

[Eddie Cane]

The Fruit Vendor role is a variation

in which the target is aware of the action performed on them

but not who performed it.

[Eddie Cane]

why do you not want cooldog

[Eddie Cane]

so you think my vote on him is good?

[Eddie Cane]

TwoFace, did you see 426 or have thoughts on it?

[Eddie Cane]

it quotes everything relevant about the wheme votes in the spoiler which will save you time at the least

[Eddie Cane]

@CoolDog
Do you think your wagon is mainly misguided towny or deliberately a scum push?

Pedit what am i looking at?

I think it could be some of both. I think that, for example, eddie legitimately thinks that I am scum, I think he just tunneled too hard. I think fitz might be a sheep that could go either way, especially considering that his latest post looks good. Two face seems to just be a parrot along for the ride, and thus he would be the person I would peg as most likely to be scum on my wagon.

.....

oh man that cmm wagon is pretty slick
Unvote
Vote: CMM

it is, but we don't have many cmm posts to go off of, need him to post more.
.....

Were you intending to take me up on the offer (is that what the "speak of the devil!" meant??) or were you just changing votes?

Either way, I'm a frog of my word so

Unvote: IAlwaysWinSometimes
Vote: CooLDoG

fite me

not an omgus, but you literally just said you like the cmm wagon. Seems like fishing for the easiest wagon to be on, as superhans points out in his next post.

! ! ! ! ! !

CoolDog why do you think CMM needs to be defended from votes if you're the one who voted him first???

how high are you? Seriously? There is a difference between saying he isn't scum and I need more information to tell

if my rvs vote

is actually on scum. Go back and read my reason for voting cmm, and it will all make sense... nice try, please come again.

@desully's 300, If the case is legitimate enough to lynch me then so be it, this is just a statement of fact. I fail to see how making a descriptively true statement nails me down as scum.

The CoolFog wagon is being pushed by a players who are using rhetoric rather than logic or keeping an open mind.

I can't speak for others on the wagon, but I am most definitely using logic. Logic tells me that nothing from CD seems genuine or what I would expect from a townie

I fail to see anything beyond a mere intuition or feeling in this post. No logic to be seen.

Really didn't like Darklyns first couple posts... cmon man you put me in a rough spot

His first couple posts were just RVS nonsense. What did you "really" not like about them?

And what rough spot? All the votes (zero) he got?

Too all of you saying I'm sheeping to get a buddy.

This is why I'm voting Havingfitz. Him being scum and me being town makes him want to ask those exact two questions

and I agree with this point (to a certain extent) but you are not producing any content what so ever. You seem to be okay with any lynch that has a realistic chance of happening, thus the vote. At least fitz has some reasoning for his votes.

Yes, I was probably a bit hasty in the first post, and I admit the contradiction. I think that people who vote to lynch me off of this case probably deserve some scum points. However, I can see how making this case could come from scum or town. SO yeah, you got me, I'll admit it.

Still not going to vote you (depends on how far you take this tunnel),

still need more info to decide on two face, still happy with my drk vote.

see, how I interpret this is "unvote me or I'll start pushing your lynch". aka, you'll town read me as long as I unvote you. am I misunderstanding? if so, what did you mean by that?

No, it is that if you only make posts about me I will vote you. Where you vote actually lies does not matter. Tunnel vision bad, and an easy way for scum to make posts that look townie.

he said this, but I still interpret it how I read it first. regardless of that, I'm tunnelling cd on purpose. If he is town it is definitely possible to break me out of a tunnel, it's happened many times. for now I have not been satisfied with him and still think he's scum, my vote stays and I hope more join his wagon.

[Eddie Cane]

also hi kop ur replacing into a scummy slot no pressure

[Eddie Cane]

kinky...

[Eddie Cane]

is that indirectly stating you scum read me?

[Eddie Cane]

I just realized I literally missed a page Uh sec

[Eddie Cane]

Ok so I just saw the wheme claim and now I'm confused. If he is truly town, then the OMGUS vote on me is just bitterness/stupidity. I'm still torn though, because I really thought he was scummy. Can someone make a case on how wheme could still be scum? Otherwise I might have to hop off this wagon.

If he's scum he's 90% scum fruit vendor (as opposed to a goon or w/e). that's how he COULD BE scum and the claim itself doesn't clear him, but I townread him.

[Eddie Cane]

pretty much ya. FYI for those who don't know, regardless of if mod let's scum perform actions and kills at the same time, fruit vendors are not allowed to perform a kill the same night they give a fruit. plus, they'll need to give a fruit every night to prove they aren't performing kills.

[Eddie Cane]

who that agn

[Eddie Cane]

Oh

nah sry

[Eddie Cane]

yes, whoever receives the fruit should claim

[Eddie Cane]

bad boon

[Eddie Cane]

we aren't directing his shot rofl

[Eddie Cane]

we aren't directing his shot rofl

Why not? It shouldn't really make a difference but wouldn't we rather be safe than sorry?

nope

[Eddie Cane]

we aren't directing his shot rofl

Why not? It shouldn't really make a difference but wouldn't we rather be safe than sorry?

nope

I believe the question why generally warrants more than a one word answer.

eh

[Eddie Cane]

then he gave away his partner which would be hilariously stupid

[Eddie Cane]

what's the deal with you probably being scum

[Eddie Cane]

yea I'm very sensitive about my passing remarks

[Eddie Cane]

I scum read cmm a bit. kop was scum with me in a micro that just ended (oddrole) and he played fine up until d3 when he got called out and didn't even bother defending himself. so, no pressure was directed at that as a little passing jibe.

it could be scum. id lynch CD and superhans first but he's probably my third

[Eddie Cane]

words

[Eddie Cane]

Sorry it's been some time since replacing in, and not posting. Not fully up to date just now, but from what I've seen, this is pinging my attention right now.

VOTE: IalwaysWinSometimes

I don't like his idea of wanting to direct Wheme on where to go, I can understand the logic behind it all, but it creates far too much WIFOM and it could create a lot more problems by doing so. It also strikes me as trying far too hard to be pro town and wanting to look good in the process, like he's actively looking for scum.

I approve this message.

[Eddie Cane]

what causes you to find iaws more scummy than cd?

[Eddie Cane]

iaws vote made more sense than most

[Eddie Cane]

well luckily for you i already analyzed your wagon so you can see for yourself!

[Eddie Cane]

I'm willing to claim if it means proving myself to be town, but I don't know if I should.. advice?

a) on what planet does claiming "prove yourself to be town"
b) don't claim until l-1 lol
c) here is where you make an actual case and vote it or you vote for the other wagon lazily (cd)

[Eddie Cane]

I'm willing to claim if it means proving myself to be town, but I don't know if I should.. advice?

a) on what planet does claiming "prove yourself to be town"
b) don't claim until l-1 lol
c) here is where you make an actual case and vote it or you vote for the other wagon lazily (cd)

a) The same planet where Wheme was 'proved to be town'
b) Wheme claimed
c) Sounds like a copout. Plus, there's been almost no discussion for this past few days by the people that I want to see more of (twoface and superhans), so voting for one of them seems a bit unfair and premature. If I wasn't ready to vote before a wagon formed on me, hopping on another wagon right when it happened would just be something the scum does, in my eyes.

wheme shouldn't have claimed and it was heavily crumbed page 1 anyways (I personally missed it and I think everyone did but w.e)

wheme isn't town for claiming, you can't seriously believe thst. he is probably town because of HOW he claimed, not the claiming itaelf. his attitude was clear. you, on the other hand, just ranted about experience and are now talking about claiming when you should be scumhunting, which brings me to 3.

vote twoface or hans then. you want to see more of? vote them for pressure. why do you want to see more? you can't just refuse to make reads day 1, you're going to end up getting lynched and if you're town that's bad.

[Eddie Cane]

So explain what he's doing that you do. That's a good way to start.

I'll agree with you about Eddie but he's pushing CD so that's fine for now. He could just be doing that to buddy me

I am just pushing CD to buddy you? seriously?

[Eddie Cane]

what am I not reading

[Eddie Cane]

:/

[Eddie Cane]

You know how I am as town, so if you are scum, it would benefit to be on my good side vs my bad side.

I've actually never seen your scum game, you seem to role town every god damn time

[Eddie Cane]

You know how I am as town, so if you are scum, it would benefit to be on my good side vs my bad side.

I've actually never seen your scum game, you seem to role town every god damn time

it's awesome ain't it? I have been scum once and it was bad timing. It was the holidays and I was inactive and came back to my only scum partner claiming miller and calling out the cop claim and got lynched. how I survived is unknown but I did manage to lynch the traitor, who basically screwed any town cred I could have earned by telling everyone they didn't know who scum was (who the hell uses an uninformed traitor?) so i was lynched purely out of POE, literally nothing I could do would have won me the game lol

lucky. I swear I roll scum half the time it is so much more work

[Eddie Cane]

I'll probably vote super before you if it comes down to that. CD us such obvious scum it hurts nobody is joining though.

[Eddie Cane]

stop being morons and join CD or at LEAST super, iaws is obv newb town and this wagonnis trash

[Eddie Cane]

okay supethans hasn't done anything relevant in ages

I'll be on til dl I'll switch if CD doesn't happen by then

[Eddie Cane]

I agree with boon that 448 from superhans is quite sketchy. I honestly think the way wheme claimed is really really obviously town and that post looks like it's trying to obfuscate the claim and make it so less information is gleaned from it. Essentially I'm put off by his initial reaction to focus entirely on the literal role that was claimed without paying any heed whatsoever to the way in which it was claimed.

Implosion we're on the same page with Wheme. I was fence sitting but it was because i was uncertain, not because i was trying to muddy the waters.

the current argument on me is not that I lied and thus lynch me, it is that my "lies" are scum motivated.

Did you "lie"?

I personally don't think I did. However, I can see why people would see it that way.

Fruit vendor

Id have to research

Why claim though?

exactly my point about wheme. I don't see a town village idiot here, I see scum trying not to get lynched and attempting to get wagons started for the only reason of getting to a lynch that isn't him.

But to answer your question wheme. People who think you are scum aren't going to believe your role until it can be confirmed. Assuming it gets confirmed.

fruit vendor also just opens up a cluster fuck load of wifom... but generally if confirmed it is more likely to be town rather than scum.

I think you, like several others, have been tunneling on CD all day.

Your vote appears to have justification to it, but I don't agree with the case, and I think confbias has been coming into play because it's as if every single one of his posts have some sort of scumslip/tell in it.

nods, this is a true understanding of the wagon on me.

I'm not convinced on the TownWheme.

Same. I do not see town motivation for claiming a weak ass role so early. Especially considering the fact that it could easily be a scum role as well. Confirming it will not necessarily be alignment indicative. With that said, I tend to think that there is a strong possibility of him telling the truth about the roll, especially considering the fact that we will receive fruit from him. The question I'm asking is should we wait for d2 to get the confirmation of this, or will it really give us that much information.

we should decide who he gives it to, tbh.

what, no, very fucking bad. Scum gets kill, duh. Also any sort of roll that scum may have to prevent it will be used that night. So very bad. Scum points for this suggestion. Scum have an inherent motivation to get the information of where the fruit goes...

last game related posts from both. hans is worse than cd. still more confident in a CD scum flip but hans is definitely scummy as fuck too

[Eddie Cane]

because iaws wagon is bad and CD is scummy as fuck?

[Eddie Cane]

well, horror, you've now attacked two new players, wheme and iaws. you did not make some amazing case on either. forgive me if I don't blindly sheep you.

[Eddie Cane]

so explain what's wrong with my reasoning for voting him, along with 2fs. every post of his oozes scum, and he is going to come back and contribute tonight just after dl? seriously?

[Eddie Cane]

Hey everyone!

VOTE: Eddie Cane

Because I'm bitter as fuck.

VOTE: IAlwaysWinSometimes

Page 1 lynch gogogogogo.

can someone explain the wagon on CoolDog in plain english? like a TLDR, because i havent.

Eddie "claimed" lovers on page 3, CD jumped on him pretty hard for it. People are saying that CoolDog is now scum for that, because the reaction was more likely to come from scum than town? idk... I don't buy it tbh.

Whassup folks.

VOTE: Desully

My vote goes here

Really didn't like Darklyns first couple posts... cmon man you put me in a rough spot

I really don't like this intro to the game.

VOTE: WhemeStar

I'm down to switch to a boon wagon for the time being if anyone cares to join me. I see a whole lot of nothing from the slot so far.

VOTE: Boon

Come join me Hans.

I've already stated I don't like the CD lynch.

VOTE: IAlwaysWinSometimes

Next wagon, and looking through their ISO shows nothing except "My wagon is an easy mislynch so don't vote me"

I do not want the CoolDog lynch whatsoever, but deadline is in 4 hours, and this thread has been dead between yesterday and today. I don't see this town getting off its ass and finding another wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CoolDog

L-1.

voting history

[Eddie Cane]

just voting idlers is a scum tell, but not a very solid one. it's too late in the day to reanalyze and possibly vote you but I'm giving you a good hard look tomorrow. you started the wheme wagon (and your vote was bad just like the rest), you voted iaws for close to nothing, and finally after empty noise complaining about CD you vote him. hey, cool, 2f and I have been voting him for a wjile.why is that a bad thing? you haven't attacked the arguments themselves, you're attacking the idea of tunnelling. I agree 2f should be partaking in other discussion while we lynch CD but that doesn't change that his vote is well justified and you haven't even argued with it.

[Eddie Cane]

And please attempt to justify why I would so blatantly and publicly try and defend CoolDog if we were scumbuddies together. Yes, it's WIFOM. No, I don't give a shit.

you didn't actually commit to defending hin. you passive aggressively insulted the wagon without actually looking at the votes or arguing the cases, allthewhile voting him in the end while still arguing against the lynch. you didn't even reply to my paragraph about you either.

[Eddie Cane]

Hey remember that time HorrorDude made a bad vote

Yes multiple times

I'm done with this for now.

See you all Day 2.

lul

[Eddie Cane]

I'm done with this for now.

See you all Day 2.

Fuck this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: IAlwaysWinSometimes

I'm not going to be part of the CoolDog lynch. If you want him dead, find other people to join you.

ebwop

[Eddie Cane]

IAWS LYNCH IS HORRIBLE CAN THIS PLAYER LIST STOP WAGONING BEGINNERS

[Eddie Cane]

ironically i started looking at iaws more and a certain part of his post jumped out at me as the part that i viscerally gut townread, and then i looked at drk's post and it's the specific part that she called out as scummy.

It's certainly odd to ask someone else to make a case on someone to justify your continued voting of them; i think if he's town it's sort of his acknowledging his own cognitive dissonance on the matter, and when i read those sentences they just don't sound like something that make sense for scum to type out, look at, say "huh, this sounds like a good idea to say" and then click the submit button. Which is an awful argument in general, but is also bad because i don't know anything of iaws's play and they're new on the site.

This doesn't stop me from still having a visceral reaction to it of "scum wouldn't say this", though.

From a gut feeling-ish point of view, the closest I can remember to feeling something that would make the IAWS post make sense was as scum in my first game on site. I was a bit frustrated and bitter and felt like we'd done so well to get votes on someone and here it was falling apart because of a claim. When people started to unvote, I was just quietly thinking

but you just thought this guy was scum, do you really have to unvote?

I certainly didn't say what IAWS said, but I think I can maybe see how someone in that same situation who thinks a bit differently than I do might wind up doing so. Like, don't get me wrong, if I were to list off things scum might say in that scenario, IAWS's post would probably not make a top 5 list or anything, but it also would very definitely not make a top 5 list of things town would say. I have to run so I don't have time to say much more about this, but I would really like to use the term

Bayes' Theorem

so I'm gonna do that okay bye

This is acting like I'm completely new to mafia, which I'm not, though in your defense you didn't know that. I've been playing mafia on other websites for like 5 years now and I do know what I'm doing (I might suck though). So no, this wasn't me being scum and a newbie.

you can tell he's not faking being a newb because of the attitude. newbs often artificially inflate they're skill yet his play shows he's a beginner. he's trying which is what matters. iaws COULD be scum, sure, but more likely he's the CD cw and he's null or town dye to his posts around claiming, not scummy. we aren't policy lynching some dude in his first game when there's an extremely scummy alternarive. I think it's much more likely he's the CD cw.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm willing to claim if it means proving myself to be town, but I don't know if I should.. advice?

I'm willing to claim if it means proving myself to be town, but I don't know if I should.. advice?

a) on what planet does claiming "prove yourself to be town"
b) don't claim until l-1 lol
c) here is where you make an actual case and vote it or you vote for the other wagon lazily (cd)

a) The same planet where Wheme was 'proved to be town'
b) Wheme claimed
c) Sounds like a copout. Plus, there's been almost no discussion for this past few days by the people that I want to see more of (twoface and superhans), so voting for one of them seems a bit unfair and premature. If I wasn't ready to vote before a wagon formed on me, hopping on another wagon right when it happened would just be something the scum does, in my eyes.

this BLEEDS town. dumb town but town.

[Eddie Cane]

horror wasn't oddrole d1 even slower than this

[Eddie Cane]

there is a follow up

[Eddie Cane]

okay, nvm. forgot you replaced. I was going to comment on you complaining about the activity in this game when that one was even slower but you replacing nullifies that argument.

[Eddie Cane]

I FELL ASLEEP LAST NIGHT WHEN I MEANT TO BE MAKING A POST AND THEN I SHOWED UP NOW 10 MINUTES AFTER HAMMER YEAH

STILL MAKE THE POST YEAH

[Eddie Cane]

I FELL ASLEEP LAST NIGHT WHEN I MEANT TO BE MAKING A POST AND THEN I SHOWED UP NOW 10 MINUTES AFTER HAMMER YEAH

STILL MAKE THE POST YEAH

not worth now

CooLDoG wasn't a bad lynch from a pure individual scumminess standpoint, but from most other standpoints I really don't like it but idk it's better than a Superhans lynch I guess which was the third name being floated around

gonna go do things other than posting in this game

sorry but what the fuck is this post

[Eddie Cane]

I just want to have a nice game where people stop calling each other idiots for dissenting opinions.

Is that too much to ask?

fuck off idiot

[Eddie Cane]

(<3)

[Eddie Cane]

I FELL ASLEEP LAST NIGHT WHEN I MEANT TO BE MAKING A POST AND THEN I SHOWED UP NOW 10 MINUTES AFTER HAMMER YEAH

STILL MAKE THE POST YEAH

not worth now

CooLDoG wasn't a bad lynch from a pure individual scumminess standpoint, but from most other standpoints I really don't like it but idk it's better than a Superhans lynch I guess which was the third name being floated around

gonna go do things other than posting in this game

sorry but what the fuck is this post

now back to this post.

so you think CD is scum but a bad lynch? like, your first part says he's individually scummy, so what "other standpoint" are you referring too?
you profess you're against a hans wagon and don't even comment on iaws? what makes him a better lynch than hans?
why would you dodge discussion, pop in to talk about a post, just to say you're no longer making it? we need all the info we can get d2 so it makes no sense to me you won't at least make the short version of said post.

[Eddie Cane]

event that they're both town which at this point is my best guess. I don't want 100% of rhetoric tomorrow to revolve around cool dog aga

It won't. We'll be discussing why horror is scum

If you are wrong about CoolDog, you don't get to lead town anymore.

serious question. in what way do you feel 2f was leading town?

[Eddie Cane]

event that they're both town which at this point is my best guess. I don't want 100% of rhetoric tomorrow to revolve around cool dog aga

It won't. We'll be discussing why horror is scum

If you are wrong about CoolDog, you don't get to lead town anymore.

serious question. in what way do you feel 2f was leading town?

"anymore" shouldn't have been included. He doesn't get to say who the lynch is if he spends all of Day 1 on a death tunnel of a townie.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70568

read (lightly skim) my d1 here. I tunnel the FUCK out of boon up to where he almost subs out but he convinced me he's town. CD didn't do that because after I voted him he just continued being scummy as fuck and completely useless. moral of the story's d1 tunnelling is not a bad thing if you know how to escape the tunnel when needed. I'm almost certain CD is going to flip scum due to how abysmal and scummy his play is, and this is a scenario where him flipping town is completely on him. nobody is even saying my case on him is bad, they're just generally discrediting the wagon.

[Eddie Cane]

oh also it doesnt elt answer my wuestion. so you dont think 2f was leading town?

[Eddie Cane]

I still stand by the fact that the CooLDoG lynch was a horrible decision. Whatever. I also understand where my play stood Day 1, and that I don't look great from a town perspective - I wasn't giving this game the attention it fully deserved, and I look forward to being able to dedicate more time to this.

What's done is done, now let's move on to the game. There is exactly 0% chance that this was an all town lynch wagon. Looking at each player on it:

TwoFace

I've already spent plenty of time going back and forth with TF about our separate opinions on the CooLDoG Case. He says he wasn't pushing a Lynch All Liars case. His posts 139, 325, 344, 370, etc., seem to contradict that. I could go on and quote every single time that he mentioned the word "lie", but he has 25 instances in his ISO alone and ain't nobody got time for that.

TwoFace, you say that you weren't pushing a Lynch all Liars case. But your whole explanation for why you felt CD's reaction was disingenuous was because he said that he doesn't have a sense of humor. You said that he has made jokes in previous games, but I searched through his posts and found nothing to corroborate this claim... Whatever. Your whole Day 1 was spent tunneling one person for an alleged slip and then using confirmation bias to continue pushing your agenda on him. Any other wagon yesterday was obviously crap according to you, and then you end Day 1 by stating that I am obvscum no matter what CooLDoG's flip turned out to be and implying that tomorrow was going to be spent discussing "why I am scum". You can pressure your scumreads, but tunneling and ignoring the rest of the game is anti-town.

Okay I've spent way too much time on TF at this point. My mental health needs a break.

Eddie Cane

Eddie jumped on the CD wagon in post 105 without explanation. He states that this CD post was "bad" in 124 without further explanation. He later says that his reason for voting CD early was because CD getting to type a "wall" early gave him town points, as if that would somehow clear him from having to produce content later in the game ("it also excuses him from having to take actual stances" was his exact wording). I don't buy it.

sometimes people deserve being mislynched. take momo or even wheme honestly. if you're going to play a trolly low effort game and you get lynched that's on you.

horror is basically advocating a pl which I'd adamantly disagree with

This is a direct contradiction. Also, it ignores the fact that in Post 353, I state that my main reason for pressuring Wheme was because I saw his playstyle differing in this game from his other town games when he was actually pressuring and scumhunting.

Superhans

Hans admits in Post 301 that he felt the CoolDog lynch was being pushed by rhetoric rather than logic. He then says that CD has been "flailing all day" in Post 384 and votes for CD seemingly because he didn't want WhemeStar... See Posts 429, 430, and 432.

Hans then spends the rest of the day talking primarily about the fruit vendor claim (which was useless and a waste of thread space) before V/LA-ing out for a week.

IAlwaysWinSometimes

Voted for CoolDog out of self preservation. Can't really comment much on alignment indication there. He hasn't produced much content thus far, and has even admitted such himself. He's getting a noob pass from a lot of players, but I'd like to see more effort.

implosion

Voted at deadline.

horrordude0215

I literally only switched to this wagon because it was deadline and we had to hammer.

Out of everyone on this wagon, I'm least thrilled with Hans and Eddie. Hans won't be back from V/LA for a few days, so for now:

VOTE: Eddie Cane

JUST because they deserve to get lynched doesn't mean I support it. I've virtually never policy lynched anyone, hell I completed a game with momo when we were both town and while he was lynched it wasn't policy (he was a scummy asf town roleblocker with a scummy asf predecessor). you're really grasping at straws by trying to call that a contradiction, but nice buzzwording.

so, if you're going to argue with my CD case, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT YESTERDAY? I directly stated SEVERAL times that nobody was responding to my CD case, and you flat out didn't respond to that. you don't buy it? cool, WHY did you buy it yesterday when he was being lynched??

you think I misrepped your wheme vote. I posted my wheme wagon breakdown early yesterday. why. the. fuck. did. you. say. nothing. then?

VOTE: horror

this post reeeks. I refuse to accept you're this bad, sorry.

[Eddie Cane]

ALSO, I said significantly more on and in reply to cooldog than what you've mentioned.

[Eddie Cane]

hans also managed to do literally 0 day 1. no point voting him rn since he's vla xD but him or horror get roped today

[Eddie Cane]

Spoiler:

event that they're both town which at this point is my best guess. I don't want 100% of rhetoric tomorrow to revolve around cool dog aga

It won't. We'll be discussing why horror is scum

If you are wrong about CoolDog, you don't get to lead town anymore.

serious question. in what way do you feel 2f was leading town?

"anymore" shouldn't have been included. He doesn't get to say who the lynch is if he spends all of Day 1 on a death tunnel of a townie.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70568

read (lightly skim) my d1 here. I tunnel the FUCK out of boon up to where he almost subs out but he convinced me he's town. CD didn't do that because after I voted him he just continued being scummy as fuck and completely useless. moral of the story's d1 tunnelling is not a bad thing if you know how to escape the tunnel when needed. I'm almost certain CD is going to flip scum due to how abysmal and scummy his play is, and this is a scenario where him flipping town is completely on him. nobody is even saying my case on him is bad, they're just generally discrediting the wagon.

so explain what's wrong with my reasoning for voting him, along with 2fs. every post of his oozes scum, and he is going to come back and contribute tonight just after dl? seriously?

I agree with boon that 448 from superhans is quite sketchy. I honestly think the way wheme claimed is really really obviously town and that post looks like it's trying to obfuscate the claim and make it so less information is gleaned from it. Essentially I'm put off by his initial reaction to focus entirely on the literal role that was claimed without paying any heed whatsoever to the way in which it was claimed.

Implosion we're on the same page with Wheme. I was fence sitting but it was because i was uncertain, not because i was trying to muddy the waters.

the current argument on me is not that I lied and thus lynch me, it is that my "lies" are scum motivated.

Did you "lie"?

I personally don't think I did. However, I can see why people would see it that way.

Fruit vendor

Id have to research

Why claim though?

exactly my point about wheme. I don't see a town village idiot here, I see scum trying not to get lynched and attempting to get wagons started for the only reason of getting to a lynch that isn't him.

But to answer your question wheme. People who think you are scum aren't going to believe your role until it can be confirmed. Assuming it gets confirmed.

fruit vendor also just opens up a cluster fuck load of wifom... but generally if confirmed it is more likely to be town rather than scum.

I think you, like several others, have been tunneling on CD all day.

Your vote appears to have justification to it, but I don't agree with the case, and I think confbias has been coming into play because it's as if every single one of his posts have some sort of scumslip/tell in it.

nods, this is a true understanding of the wagon on me.

I'm not convinced on the TownWheme.

Same. I do not see town motivation for claiming a weak ass role so early. Especially considering the fact that it could easily be a scum role as well. Confirming it will not necessarily be alignment indicative. With that said, I tend to think that there is a strong possibility of him telling the truth about the roll, especially considering the fact that we will receive fruit from him. The question I'm asking is should we wait for d2 to get the confirmation of this, or will it really give us that much information.

we should decide who he gives it to, tbh.

what, no, very fucking bad. Scum gets kill, duh. Also any sort of roll that scum may have to prevent it will be used that night. So very bad. Scum points for this suggestion. Scum have an inherent motivation to get the information of where the fruit goes...

last game related posts from both. hans is worse than cd. still more confident in a CD scum flip but hans is definitely scummy as fuck too

@CoolDog
Do you think your wagon is mainly misguided towny or deliberately a scum push?

Pedit what am i looking at?

I think it could be some of both. I think that, for example, eddie legitimately thinks that I am scum, I think he just tunneled too hard. I think fitz might be a sheep that could go either way, especially considering that his latest post looks good. Two face seems to just be a parrot along for the ride, and thus he would be the person I would peg as most likely to be scum on my wagon.

.....

oh man that cmm wagon is pretty slick
Unvote
Vote: CMM

it is, but we don't have many cmm posts to go off of, need him to post more.
.....

Were you intending to take me up on the offer (is that what the "speak of the devil!" meant??) or were you just changing votes?

Either way, I'm a frog of my word so

Unvote: IAlwaysWinSometimes
Vote: CooLDoG

fite me

not an omgus, but you literally just said you like the cmm wagon. Seems like fishing for the easiest wagon to be on, as superhans points out in his next post.

! ! ! ! ! !

CoolDog why do you think CMM needs to be defended from votes if you're the one who voted him first???

how high are you? Seriously? There is a difference between saying he isn't scum and I need more information to tell

if my rvs vote

is actually on scum. Go back and read my reason for voting cmm, and it will all make sense... nice try, please come again.

@desully's 300, If the case is legitimate enough to lynch me then so be it, this is just a statement of fact. I fail to see how making a descriptively true statement nails me down as scum.

The CoolFog wagon is being pushed by a players who are using rhetoric rather than logic or keeping an open mind.

I can't speak for others on the wagon, but I am most definitely using logic. Logic tells me that nothing from CD seems genuine or what I would expect from a townie

I fail to see anything beyond a mere intuition or feeling in this post. No logic to be seen.

Really didn't like Darklyns first couple posts... cmon man you put me in a rough spot

His first couple posts were just RVS nonsense. What did you "really" not like about them?

And what rough spot? All the votes (zero) he got?

Too all of you saying I'm sheeping to get a buddy.

This is why I'm voting Havingfitz. Him being scum and me being town makes him want to ask those exact two questions

and I agree with this point (to a certain extent) but you are not producing any content what so ever. You seem to be okay with any lynch that has a realistic chance of happening, thus the vote. At least fitz has some reasoning for his votes.

Yes, I was probably a bit hasty in the first post, and I admit the contradiction. I think that people who vote to lynch me off of this case probably deserve some scum points. However, I can see how making this case could come from scum or town. SO yeah, you got me, I'll admit it.

Still not going to vote you (depends on how far you take this tunnel),

still need more info to decide on two face, still happy with my drk vote.

see, how I interpret this is "unvote me or I'll start pushing your lynch". aka, you'll town read me as long as I unvote you. am I misunderstanding? if so, what did you mean by that?

No, it is that if you only make posts about me I will vote you. Where you vote actually lies does not matter. Tunnel vision bad, and an easy way for scum to make posts that look townie.

he said this, but I still interpret it how I read it first. regardless of that, I'm tunnelling cd on purpose. If he is town it is definitely possible to break me out of a tunnel, it's happened many times. for now I have not been satisfied with him and still think he's scum, my vote stays and I hope more join his wagon.

now, the fact my top scum read cooldog is pushing wheme is partially influential. iirc fitz was the only wheme vote I was satisfied with, that's without rereading the votes which I'll do now

you started attacking him "softing masons", which again, was an obvious joke. I returned with another joke. There's no town or scum motivation to claiming lovers page 3, there is however scum motivation in attacking it as I've explained.

Agree

cool, whatever, lynch me.

This is bad play. Not.AI, just bad play.
CoolDog u r not gonna get lynched anytime soon.

The game has been rely dead recently, and apathy is the mother of Defeat.

@whemeatar why Desully?

my point is that if this is the bar that the town sets for a lynch, then they should go ahead an lynch me for it. Meaning, if people are going to push for this type of lynch

I think the rest of the town will get a pretty clear picture of

the fabricated scum case

on me.

However, I agree, I'm probably not going to get lynched on this. It really is quite the flimsy case of: "he misred page 3 joke, got out of rvs on it, thus lynch him". And this is quite degenerate.

ALso, obviously imp is making a mountain out of a mole-hill, but I'm not sure that it is scummy. I'm still happy with my drk vote.

And make me respond to your bullshit. If that is enough to lynch me on it then do it. also, the claim is not that I got us out of rvs, but that I got myself out of rvs with that vote/argument... don't be silly. I'm pretty sure I have responded enough for you to arbitrate upon if this case is a valid reason to lynch me or not, I'm not going to continue to talk about some scum tell you found on page 3 till the end of the day.

I could vote for you, but it depends on how long you are going to tunnel vision me.

Right now I have you down as misguided town/null who thinks they struck gold when they haven't.

Not worthy of my vote atm. Two face is more of a sheep, I want to see what happens when this wagon inevitably breaks down. If he follows and doesn't give much content to the next pop wagon he hops onto, then I would probably consider voting for him.

you started attacking him "softing masons", which again, was an obvious joke. I returned with another joke. There's no town or scum motivation to claiming lovers page 3, there is however scum motivation in attacking it as I've explained.

Agree

cool, whatever, lynch me.

This is bad play. Not.AI, just bad play.
CoolDog u r not gonna get lynched anytime soon.

The game has been rely dead recently, and apathy is the mother of Defeat.

@whemeatar why Desully?

my point is that if this is the bar that the town sets for a lynch, then they should go ahead an lynch me for it. Meaning, if people are going to push for this type of lynch I think the rest of the town will get a pretty clear picture of the fabricated scum case on me. However, I agree, I'm probably not going to get lynched on this. It really is quite the flimsy case of: "he misred page 3 joke, got out of rvs on it, thus lynch him". And this is quite degenerate.

ALso, obviously imp is making a mountain out of a mole-hill, but I'm not sure that it is scummy. I'm still happy with my drk vote.

This is misrepping and omgus. you call it a fabricated scum case, yet you're voting DRK instead of myself or even TwoFace? you also still have not directly replied to my post that I directly asked you to reply to. oh, and the fact you're trying to take credit for getting out of rvs is hilarious.

If you wanted to attack my case, there was a full day to do it. I was very open to discussing. AFTER he flips town is not the time to take issue with a line of argument, and I stand by what I said.

[Eddie Cane]

oh also it doesnt elt answer my wuestion. so you dont think 2f was leading town?

[Eddie Cane]

yea ik

and on that note

I FELL ASLEEP LAST NIGHT WHEN I MEANT TO BE MAKING A POST AND THEN I SHOWED UP NOW 10 MINUTES AFTER HAMMER YEAH

STILL MAKE THE POST YEAH

not worth now

CooLDoG wasn't a bad lynch from a pure individual scumminess standpoint, but from most other standpoints I really don't like it but idk it's better than a Superhans lynch I guess which was the third name being floated around

gonna go do things other than posting in this game

sorry but what the fuck is this post

now back to this post.

so you think CD is scum but a bad lynch? like, your first part says he's individually scummy, so what "other standpoint" are you referring too?
you profess you're against a hans wagon and don't even comment on iaws? what makes him a better lynch than hans?
why would you dodge discussion, pop in to talk about a post, just to say you're no longer making it? we need all the info we can get d2 so it makes no sense to me you won't at least make the short version of said post.

I still want answers

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: drk

[Eddie Cane]

so explain why it's ridiculous.

[Eddie Cane]

thank you.

[Eddie Cane]

do you still think iaws is scum?

[Eddie Cane]

hey wheme, why did you pick 2f to give fruit to?

[Eddie Cane]

Figured he is gonna be town leader. It was kinda at random and he was the only name that stuck out to me.

Why does it matter

because I am trying to decide if I believe you got roleblocked

[Eddie Cane]

usually, not always. you can pm him to clarify, just obviously don't quote his hypothetical reply here

[Eddie Cane]

anyways wheme I think you and iaws are both town

[Eddie Cane]

Figured he is gonna be town leader. It was kinda at random and he was the only name that stuck out to me.

Why does it matter

Yep terrible explanation

You're scum

Completely valid and persuasive argument

I shouldn't have to explain to town if their smart

VOTE: IAWS

aside from 826 being obnoxious he's not wrong on the surfacw

[Eddie Cane]

he's not what

[Eddie Cane]

2f gives reasoning when he tunnels. you need to do that because I think iaws is my strongest tr at this point.

[Eddie Cane]

it's been progressing. sec

[Eddie Cane]

as I said earlier, his attitude around claiming was very rown. very dumb, but it is town. at that point I think I had a moderate tr of iaws. I think even moreso than wheme he's an attractive mislyn h and he just doesn't seem to have any ulterior motives. see 792: he's very open about dissecting his wagon. that's something I ALWAYS do when I'm a major wagon as town, because imo one of the best ways to analyze is to see how reasonable people's scum arguments against town you are. in other words, if somebody has a fake read the best person to tell is the person being read. I think it was town that he went right after bad votes on his wagon. I don't really mind kops vote (neutral on it) but that's not the point. also, 824 is pretty towny, it is the exact kind of thing is expect newb town to do because on the surface it is indeed a very bad explanation. more importantly, he was smart enough to call it terrible and /not/ vote wheme which is very important.

lots of small things but I haven't seen scum motivation in any of hid posts and he hasn't pinged me a single time iirc, he was a bad wagon d1 and hes a bad wagon now if he becomes one. people like to vote newbs when newbs have completrly different tells than experienced players.

[Eddie Cane]

I call myself dumb all the time don't worry!!

[Eddie Cane]

If you wanted to attack my case, there was a full day to do it. I was very open to discussing. AFTER he flips town is not the time to take issue with a line of argument, and I stand by what I said.

So we're only allowed to discuss cases that are presented that day? Come on Eddie.

???

you want to attack a case made early in the previous day after the mislynch has gone through? are you not aware how insane the hindsight bias is with that? you're allowed to, yes, but the fact you didn't all of yesterday after me asking shoes you don't actually think it's a bad case until you have the knowledge it's a muslynch.

[Eddie Cane]

"@Eddie...why don't you like the post by IAWS?"

I don't remember why I said that but it looks fine to me

[Eddie Cane]

"@Eddie...does the fact iaws is not a beginner change your opinion on his wagon?"

I'M pretty sure I've directly referenced that at least twice but regardless; that's literally the exact kind of thing beginners say. I've explained this in more detail so read more thoroughly

[Eddie Cane]

also fits why is hans town

[Eddie Cane]

he could definitely be scum. he's also done nothing substantial since the beginning of the day, hid last content is arguing fruit vendor semantics (lol). I really want to know how fits can justify town!hans

[Eddie Cane]

If you wanted to attack my case, there was a full day to do it. I was very open to discussing. AFTER he flips town is not the time to take issue with a line of argument, and I stand by what I said.

So we're only allowed to discuss cases that are presented that day? Come on Eddie.

???

you want to attack a case made early in the previous day after the mislynch has gone through? are you not aware how insane the hindsight bias is with that? you're allowed to, yes, but the fact you didn't all of yesterday after me asking shoes you don't actually think it's a bad case until you have the knowledge it's a muslynch.

Dude, I was dealing with a game that had an average of over 10 pages per real life day, and I had to balance day scumchat on top of it. (It just ended, just for everyone else's information)

I haven't participated for shit in any of my games, so excuse me for not having the time to address your questions until now. If that makes you scumread me, so be it.

I was in that game too as was twoface, didn't stop us from contributing here.

[Eddie Cane]

And please acknowledge what I'm actually attacking. Your

entrance

onto the cooldog wagon was for crap reasoning, and it looked opportunistic and scummy. I don't need to dialogue with you to determine this.

so why didn't you comment on that yesyerday? you're completely missing my point. if you can't keep up with games fucking sub out, don't be belligerent and refuse to acknowledge that attacking something that happened a full cycle ago is off.

[Eddie Cane]

^lol

VOTE: horror

[Eddie Cane]

Dialoguing with TF implies that he has the capabilities to talk with someone without confbiasing literally everything they say as "omg obvscum". He's clearly proven that he doesn't have the mental capacity to do this, so continuing to go back and forth with him will only clutter the thread with anti-town nonsense.

okay, let's assume that's all true for a second because it doesn't became relevance. you know I don't do that, and twoface is basically reiterating my point, you are refusing to look at it and now refuse to talk to twoface period. there's pure scum motivation here. lemme do an example like you're 5 since you're refusing to listen.

Charlie, Robert, Steve, Ashley, and Natalie are deciding what to do today. Charlie suggests they all sneak into the local garbage dump to find cool things to play with. Ashley and Steve don't really want to go, do Ashley says as much. Charlie asks her why not, and Ashley says because it sounds boring and she . Charlie, Robert, and Natalie outvote Ashley and Steve, so they go to the junkyard. A clown stabs Natalie and they all start crying. Then, Ashley tells Robert and Charlie she warned them and this is all their fault. Ashley sues Charlie and they never speak again.

now who are you in this equation?

[Eddie Cane]

My issue with the activity in this game is that it is solely centered around CoolDog and his reaction to what happened in RVS. There has been nothing of substance aside from that to help me get reads on anyone. TwoFace has been tunneling all day, and his pointing out CD's "slip" has dictated the course of discussion for virtually everyone else in the town. This entire game is a fucking board full of nullreads for me right now, and it's pissing me off.

again. this does not call the cooldog wagon terrible. it actually doesn't say anything about the quality of the cooldog wagon, it says it is too focal in the thread.

[Eddie Cane]

I didn't ignore the "case". I think my reason for voting CD was good. Tell me explicitly what was wrong with my initial case and follow up comments about CD and I will argue it.

[Eddie Cane]

Like I've said - me playing like crap Day 1 doesn't mean that my reads Day 2 are suddenly null and void. If you have an issue with the fact that I jumped on you for your crappy entrance onto the CD wagon, tell me why I'm wrong. Just saying "You had the chance to discuss it but you missed your opportunity" and ignoring the case looks bad.

Yesterday, I had virtually no reads on anyone, I just felt that CoolDog's wagon was terrible. See Post 756 for an example of me stating this.

[Eddie Cane]

dude you're completely nonsensical and incorrect

[Eddie Cane]

I think CD is 100% at fault for his mislynch and I think he was extremely scunmy. you need to stop looking in a vacuum. that would be a bad argument in day 6 3p lylo, yes. not on page 10. skating the entire game =/= skating early game. stop being stupid.

[Eddie Cane]

that's the reason I voted CD on page 9. yes. he did nothing to motivate me to change my vote, he continued being a scumfuck and not contributing to t0wn in the alightest. youre arguing a near-rvs argument as if I made it late game when that's not at all the case. hey look, a problem with evaluating stuff a day later!

[Eddie Cane]

the CD lynch was not horrible and the alternative was iaws who was much townier. you didn't propose a better lynch. yes you've acknowledged you did nothing d1 blah blah blah that doesn't absolve you from blame. you had time to arfue with 2f, you could have had time to argue with me. we are going in circles.

[Eddie Cane]

also fits why is hans town

Meta. Feels town. We recently finished a game as scum partners and this feels different. Subject to change I suppose but nothing he's done so far has me sr'ing him.

okay. link that game please. what about his play there is different than his play here? have you played with town hans before, or looked at any of his town games? if you're going to meta you better st least be able to defend that meta read.

[Eddie Cane]

hans' CD vote actually gave me more doubt about the wagon than anything CD said. that says a lot but regardless yea as 2f said we should stop debating the wagon quality. I am pseudo voting hans now and am actually curios why he's not subbed.... I thought vla ppl still had to post a bit?

[Eddie Cane]

this thread is slow as fuck reading a game like this is REALLY not a tall order

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: hans

[Eddie Cane]

you read that wrong. I'm not calling pushing him scummy because he's a null read. I call pushing him scummy because he's lynchbaity as fuck and a prime candidate for scum to target. ive also virtually never supported a policy lynch as either alignment, read my game history. policy lynched are fucking stupid and basically a free cycle skip for scum. momo is the only player I've even thought about policy lynching.

[Eddie Cane]

ive also virtually never supported a policy lynch as either alignment

sometimes people deserve being mislynched. take momo or even wheme honestly. if you're going to play a trolly low effort game and you get lynched that's on you.

This reads like supporting PL's to me.

I'M not voting them. I will and did argue against a lynch like that. That doesn't mean I don't see the justification for it. I can see the justification for lynching transcend but I still vehemently argue against his lynch d1 every game because of how much he's mislynched. You're not a good player if you don't try to look at everything objectively


is this relevant?

[Eddie Cane]

I'm willing to claim if it means proving myself to be town, but I don't know if I should.. advice?

I'm willing to claim if it means proving myself to be town, but I don't know if I should.. advice?

a) on what planet does claiming "prove yourself to be town"
b) don't claim until l-1 lol
c) here is where you make an actual case and vote it or you vote for the other wagon lazily (cd)

a) The same planet where Wheme was 'proved to be town'
b) Wheme claimed
c) Sounds like a copout. Plus, there's been almost no discussion for this past few days by the people that I want to see more of (twoface and superhans), so voting for one of them seems a bit unfair and premature. If I wasn't ready to vote before a wagon formed on me, hopping on another wagon right when it happened would just be something the scum does, in my eyes.

this BLEEDS town. dumb town but town.

Bullshit.

That's

scum

newb wanting to mimic the same behavior that derailed WhemeStar's wagon.

Obvious scum is obvious, and IAWS is obvious scum.

[Eddie Cane]

let him finish his catchup before you argue things like that

[Eddie Cane]

also, I'll note I've somewhat liked this catchup so far

[Eddie Cane]

as I said earlier, his attitude around claiming was very rown. very dumb, but it is town. at that point I think I had a moderate tr of iaws. I think even moreso than wheme he's an attractive mislyn h and he just doesn't seem to have any ulterior motives. see 792: he's very open about dissecting his wagon. that's something I ALWAYS do when I'm a major wagon as town, because imo one of the best ways to analyze is to see how reasonable people's scum arguments against town you are. in other words, if somebody has a fake read the best person to tell is the person being read. I think it was town that he went right after bad votes on his wagon. I don't really mind kops vote (neutral on it) but that's not the point. also, 824 is pretty towny, it is the exact kind of thing is expect newb town to do because on the surface it is indeed a very bad explanation. more importantly, he was smart enough to call it terrible and /not/ vote wheme which is very important.

lots of small things but I haven't seen scum motivation in any of hid posts and he hasn't pinged me a single time iirc, he was a bad wagon d1 and hes a bad wagon now if he becomes one. people like to vote newbs when newbs have completrly different tells than experienced players.

You keep parroting his bullshit mimicry of WhemeStar's claim as if that makes him town. That's fucking disgusting.

He denies time after time that he'd new, but you keep giving him newbtown credit. That's fucking disgusting.

dude have you never seen beginners claim to be skilled??? fucking read his posts and tell me he's not new. that's fucking disgusting.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: drk

[Eddie Cane]

I usually crumb my guilty at this stage in case I die rather than out being cop but it's definitely fine for you to claim it, many do.

[Eddie Cane]

and I scumread the same person meaning he had similar deduction to me. I don't think he's bad, not at all. explain the benefit for scum to deny newbtosn cred? it doesn't make sense.

[Eddie Cane]

this is getting irrelevant so we can continue in post if you want. does anyone have anything to say before a hammer?

[Eddie Cane]

I'm pretty convinced hans is the second scum. fitz and horror are who I've thought of for the third.

[Eddie Cane]

kop could be too I guess. when I was scum with him after he got pressured he disappeared to the point of being subbed. here he wasn't called out on anything specifically though, so I'm not really sure how much stock to put in it.

[Eddie Cane]

recent too. oddrole mafia 2. lane the so called him out as watcher and he just bolted. I was really pissed because it was definitely salvageable. I'm not sure if it translates here though. can someone not on mobile see if he's posting elsewhere?

[Eddie Cane]

if he claims Miller we lynch it regardless since he neglected to claim d1.

[Eddie Cane]

yea they do. secret Miller's and death millers and the like are non normal so you'd only find them in bastard games.

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

[Eddie Cane]

WHY DOES this mean we speed up the lynch?? he was scum before he's scum now.

[Eddie Cane]

sigh whatever

[Eddie Cane]

I wanted to see the catchup mostly.

[Eddie Cane]

twilight trolling, may be for fun or may be trying to mess with us

[Eddie Cane]

I got fruit

[Eddie Cane]

Also...since I missed all/most? of D2 I played catch up while it was night.


Day 2 posthumous catch up.

#824...agree with this IAWS post regarding Wheme.

@Wheme...and you're wrong.

@imp...who are your 2 biggest scumspects?

@Eddie...my scum game with Hans was Open 669 (karnos modded). Look in my topics if you want to peruse it. I looked at some of his town games during 669 to see how he tended to play. He only had a few iirc and he was typically getting lynched early, again...iirc. Not sure why. I rarely look at other games for meta details but did so here because I was perceiving him as a detriment to the scum team and I wanted to see if there were areas I could help him with. It never got to that point. I'm not going to try and defend a gut read based on my perception that Hans' posting feels differently here. You can believe my read or not. IMO...the Hans slot is town this game.

@TwoFace...my bad. I got your avatar mixed up with Eddie's. That comment should have been directed at Eddie.

Feel free to answer it Eddie.

@TwoFace...why is that funny? You are giving the reason I'm giving for TR'ing Hans while shading that I'm not giving reasons. smh...

@horror...why are you focusing off the CD wagon? He was a mislynch you know? There just might have been one or two scum on his wagon.

Annoyed that Hans replaced out.

@Stone Cold...why are you using one of TwoFace's crap D1 reads (on CD) to question him on his inability to see that Hans is scum?

@Stone Cold...hmmmm (positive hmm).

@Stone Cold...is my Hans read as "absolute garbage" as your iaws read?

#1021 - @ Wheme...why...if scum had a roleblocker...would they use it on a worthless pr action such as giving fruit? Especially when the act of giving fruit would in no way indicate your alignment. even if the fruit delivery was successful. I would think scum would be more interested in RBing most anyone else other than a weak NAI pr of a player of limited experience.

Caught up. Awaiting D3.

answer what?


anyways thoughts etc later busy rn

[Eddie Cane]

I got fruit

[Eddie Cane]

I wonder why nobody is talking about hans as well. new guy hasn't even posted has he?

I'M going to go analyze traitor now

[Eddie Cane]

oh new guys only post is talking about why his slot is scum lol

[Eddie Cane]

Vote: implosion

you know what you did

6. Prods will be sent out after 48 hours of inactivity. These will be announced in thread. At player request (if reasonable), I can "Poke" another player. This will not count as a prod.

Mod, please poke implosion

oh god how do we know if superhans is vla for one week or two???

Boon provided enough content that I'm comfortable removing my vote from him for now.

UNVOTE:

vote some1 else, u ninny

hm

ALSO lol drk has done close to nothing itg there's not much to look at

[Eddie Cane]

nope

[Eddie Cane]

Also...since I missed all/most? of D2 I played catch up while it was night.


Day 2 posthumous catch up.

#824...agree with this IAWS post regarding Wheme.

@Wheme...and you're wrong.

@imp...who are your 2 biggest scumspects?

@Eddie...my scum game with Hans was Open 669 (karnos modded). Look in my topics if you want to peruse it. I looked at some of his town games during 669 to see how he tended to play. He only had a few iirc and he was typically getting lynched early, again...iirc. Not sure why. I rarely look at other games for meta details but did so here because I was perceiving him as a detriment to the scum team and I wanted to see if there were areas I could help him with. It never got to that point. I'm not going to try and defend a gut read based on my perception that Hans' posting feels differently here. You can believe my read or not. IMO...the Hans slot is town this game.

@TwoFace...my bad. I got your avatar mixed up with Eddie's. That comment should have been directed at Eddie.

Feel free to answer it Eddie.

@TwoFace...why is that funny? You are giving the reason I'm giving for TR'ing Hans while shading that I'm not giving reasons. smh...

@horror...why are you focusing off the CD wagon? He was a mislynch you know? There just might have been one or two scum on his wagon.

Annoyed that Hans replaced out.

@Stone Cold...why are you using one of TwoFace's crap D1 reads (on CD) to question him on his inability to see that Hans is scum?

@Stone Cold...hmmmm (positive hmm).

@Stone Cold...is my Hans read as "absolute garbage" as your iaws read?

#1021 - @ Wheme...why...if scum had a roleblocker...would they use it on a worthless pr action such as giving fruit? Especially when the act of giving fruit would in no way indicate your alignment. even if the fruit delivery was successful. I would think scum would be more interested in RBing most anyone else other than a weak NAI pr of a player of limited experience.

Caught up. Awaiting D3.

so to be clear, you think hans is town but aren't interested in defending him?

[Eddie Cane]

what's your opinion of hans content wrt this game?

[Eddie Cane]

thank you for the contribution.

[Eddie Cane]

I think I've been pretty clear I think hans is scum lol

[Eddie Cane]

going purely off drk id call the team imp/horror. however, obviously traitor spec is not the entire game.

I'm never voting iaws. I'm probably never voting wheme. I'm unlikely to vote twoface because of the sheer amount of times our thoughts line up.

so basically, I think 2 of {imp, kop, fitz, one, horror} are our scum. if I had to guess it's one of imp and horror, along with one of the others, it's probablt too easy to be both of them. however, fitz/one could easily work too. I needa do more thinking this lynchpool is too big.

[Eddie Cane]

gws. have you finished your read the? if so I have follow up

[Eddie Cane]

you're the close to conf town what are your thoughts?

[Eddie Cane]

that's not an answer

[Eddie Cane]

like
ok
let me rephrase

gun to your head is fitz town

[Eddie Cane]

he hasn't done nothing as in vlad and disappeared, he's been posting. that's why I don't like the reply.

[Eddie Cane]

i think rn my order is impo > hans > horror > fitz > kop. it's really hard to ignore impo x drk, but I'm hesitant to lynch largely off a traitor

[Eddie Cane]

it's a lot of wifom. killing boon and stone who both clearly scumread hans is a good frame, but at a certain point you have to stop and think if you need to actually listen to their reads. idk what that point is, but hans's game is among the scummiest I've ever seen and i think id be pissed if I lost to scum!hans sue to some vi read. lots of time left so ima see if the replacement can town tell

honestly I just want the two town in that 5 to start contributing and stop being useless scumfucks so this isn't so hard