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Hopefully you're also a listen-to-the-group-and-not-go-off-on-your-own-and-hurt-our-ability-to-scum-hunt kind of guy.In post 13, Mulch wrote:More than 14? Idk, I'm a kind of quick hammer and move on kind of guy anyway lol-
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Vote Mulch
Butt hurt over a legit RVS vote, OMGUS vote back on massive, then he just flits away chasing something else shiny, or he's just trying to pepper his vote around so we have a harder time figuring anything out later.-
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So, what, another OMGUS vote?
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I was about to check in on things while I was taking my nightly-just-got-home-from-work shit, laughed out loud when I saw 9 pages (sorry, been lulled into a deep sleep from the pace of some recent games), and knew it was time to hit that bowl, throw a hot pocket in the microwave, make myself a drink and sit down to read this shit. So I broke out my laptop and here I am. Sup?-
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I guess I still am the same person, just no one calls me by a fish related nickname anymore. I could have put theguyformallyknownasfish but felt that was too long of a name. I could have done a symbol too, but that'd be next to impossible for you guys to reproduce that here.
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I disagree, and I hope I see an explanation behind that statement.In post 52, gerryoat wrote:RVS is the worst thing on this site by far
Then why did you openly participate in it if you hold that view?In post 65, Tchill13 wrote:
I agree with this statement.In post 52, gerryoat wrote:RVS is the worst thing on this site by far
One of the reasons I feel that RVS is an important part of the game is because there is a method to the madness of random voting. Later in the game when we have some flips, especially a scum flip, we can look back at how they acted during RVS and towards who to help us solidify ideas, or find new avenues to explore. If a scumbag changes his vote 7 times during RVS it would make it a lot harder to figure anything out over a scumbag who RVS voted 2 guys.In post 67, iDanyboy wrote:
Figure out what? How is he making it harder?In post 40, Formerfish wrote:or he's just trying to pepper his vote around so we have a harder time figuring anything out later.
In my mind failure to participate in RVS is potentially depriving us from information we may need later on.
That little flash wagon wannabe on EE was cute, 3 votes right in a row from the scummy people in the thread so far, noted.
iDany- why single Tchill out from the trio? Explained. And fair enough.
This was cringe worthy bro, and you got slammed for it in the next post. If this becomes a pattern you are probably scum.In post 94, gerryoat wrote:says the person who was voting for eevee before mulch
Mulch, I am liking you better when you explain yourself.
Unvote
Post 96 is something I see myself writing, mostly as town. I may not agree with everything you said, but I can see where you are coming from with it and I'm willing to give you some space to run with that.
How much have you played with massive? Cause I saw the joke in his RVS vote that you apparently missed. As a result your reaction and vote on him was way out of proportion to what he did, unless you turned around and were like "Nope, you're the scumbag" stick your tongue out at him and crossvote. That didnt happen though, which could be innocent, but to me at the time it seemed like you were trying to hard to see something as serious that was meant as a joke.Fishy here now makes his grand entrance by listing 3 "scummy" things I did that were not actually scummy. Butt hurt over RVS? NAI and wrong. OMGUS vote? Actually that is more towny than scum. Flits away? NAI.
Disagree on you taking umbrage with his line of questioning, just because you see something doesnt mean that he does. Maybe thats his fucking bag when it comes to this game, vote analysis, and he is trying to get as many people to vote as possible to have more data?
What the fuck is GAMM? And why are you using the fact that someone doesnt use it as an insult? I caught up to the definition. Please don't act like other people can't play a different style from you, like I said other people get reads in different ways.
Why are you looking to Mulch like the slow guy in the gang looking to his leader for what he should be doing next?In post 139, Tchill13 wrote:
Mulch do you think this slot comes off as eager try hard town? The nervous part doesn't make sense to me. Comes off as trying to make something out of nothing. Can't tell if it's scum or eager town though.In post 122, Bomberman wrote:It's poorly executed and you look extremely nervous
So you admit you were on the wagon because it was a wagon... I suppose if were less lazy I'd look back to see where the other wagons were, but I think we already had one with 3 on it, didnt see you anywhere near that wagon.In post 151, Tchill13 wrote:Well the eevee vote was just because it looked like a wagon might take off out of rvs. Bomber actually seems a little odd. Even states he'd vote mulch based off play style. I feel that you should more importantly vote someone for stuff that seems AI. Other than in RVS of course. The point idanyboy brings up seems odd to me as well.
VOTE: bomber
Scum can get caught during RVS, dont act like they cant. What point from iDany is odd to you and why? Why switch votes now, cause the EE vote stalled and you have a new shiny thing to vote for? I'm calling this guy out right now for being scum.
VOTE: Tchill13
Was this:
In reponse to this:In post 153, Tchill13 wrote:I made a naked vote with no explanation what gives you the right to think that's serious? Lol
?In post 152, Bomberman wrote:I don't read people based on one philosophy because players play different and have different approaches to the game. I think you are a very emotional player and believe I would have a better chance deliberating your alignment once you're calmed down.
Why very specifically me?In post 175, EeveeLution Army wrote:Hmm i think i want to hear from formerfish about this lynch before i make my next move here.
No, and I'm not seeing you as scum the further I go into the thread.In post 180, Mulch wrote:Do people actually see bomber as scum? I just put a vote on him to show him how wrong he was and make himself actually work...
Whta?
You voted EE for reactions? What did you learn?In post 202, Tchill13 wrote: In response to Danny's good points he points out mulch's case is nai and mulch admits to that. Also points out mulch's false "facts". I don't necessarily agree with my vote on eevee being serious. I didn't seriously think eevee was scum, I didn't think anyone was seriously scum I had no reason to yet. I just wanted to see what would happen if a wagon formed.
Scum.In post 205, Tchill13 wrote:I just hate rvs. I still don't think there's enough reason to have good belief someone is scum yet. If I had to vote someone it's gonna be bomber.-
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In post 209, Tchill13 wrote:As far as questions all I'm gonna ask you is what do you think of the interaction between mulch and bomber. When you catch up of course.
Well this got awkward quickly.VOTE: Tchill-
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There are plenty of people contributing and creating content we can use, why do you care so much about the one guy who hasn't said much yet? Do you have reads set for everyone else and this is your lynch pin? Could finding out his alignment change everything for you?In post 247, EeveeLution Army wrote:In post 242, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
They have 3 out of the 242 posts in this thread. They haven't.In post 241, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 240, EeveeLution Army wrote:How do you know they haven't been here? For all you know they are reading what we are saying right now and blatantly ignoring it
And if they're ignoring? Town can be lazy and not give effort. It's not AI.
I've already stated i just want him to contribute so i can get some form of read on him.
Why don't you figure out who you think is town, see where they are voting and ask some questions. I noticed you asked for my opinion, then I give it, and you barely acknowledge my post. What was the point of asking my opinion, which your reasoning is suspect as well in that, if you aren't going to take that opinion and do something with it?-
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Im going to attempt to figure out what this post means.(Bold)in Tchills post will be me.
Here you go:In post 216, Tchill13 wrote:I'll try. I participated because I didn't want the game to get away from me as too much information to go back and re-read(I assume you are talking about why you RSVed, you can answer this as #1). I feel like mulch is town and I've got a lot of confidence in that player(Why to both? Answer this as #2). He was also the most active at the time so I figured I'd ask him(What did you learn from asking him that question? Answer this as #3). I didn't vote eevee for reactions. I voted eevee in hopes a wagon would form(What is the point of creating a wagon unless you are voting for someone you thought was scummy or you wanted to see how others reacted to the votes? You saying you voted for it to be a wagon, but not for reactions, Those things can not be at cross purpose. You can address this as #4). I explained why I voted bomber the reasons were a little more serious than "new" and "shiny". Seemed like he made up his statement about mulch being nervous(How do you know how to tell the difference? Answer this as #5).
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The wagon is the thing you are trying to get reads and reactions from, but you didn't vote for reactions. Wait, I'm confused.In post 218, Tchill13 wrote:Well I wanted it to form so something would actually happen that we could get reads and reactions from.
In post 221, Tchill13 wrote:Well my particular vote wasn't to see how people would act to my particular vote but to set up a wagon that we could react to. I get where you're coming from though. When you asked that I thought no I did it to make a wagon. Making the wagon was for reactions so I get your point now.
What the fuck is this even? Also, this is like your third post where you talk about using votes to make reads, without ever saying what you learned.
You don't see a valid line of questioning in the obvious disconnect between what Tchill is saying his vote for and what his play has shown so far? He keeps talking about voting to learn things, but what did he learn, anything?In post 222, gerryoat wrote:iDany why do you keep asking mundane questions without actual scumhunting?
And since then I've spoken, just waiting on you to reply. Post #250 is a thing as well.In post 227, EeveeLution Army wrote:FormerFish i said you specifically because at the time you were the longest person who hadn't talked. Also i'm staying on Lmkguy until he says something of any use.
MMM's #228 is a scum claim. The vote on Uzi is bad, and he reasoning is worse. The MMM/Uzi spat looked worse for MMM IMO. #256 you reiterate the same thing I said in #250 to Eevee, this could be buddying towards me, and/or warning your scum buddy to answer me.
The tone here is off for me. #2 especially. The "fucking" is what is throwing it off for me. And dont get me wrong, I like a good "fucking" as much as the next guy, but this "fucking" felt wrong. This "fucking" felt forced and over the top to me. Huge scumtell in my book.In post 260, MMM wrote:1. I'm not the first person to mention this
2. If you had actually read my fucking reads post you'd see it's not even a major indicator for my reads since my actual scum leans based on actual content are actually listed in the scummy section compared to people like you who simply haven't posted enough to warrant an actual read
Is this you basically saying that everyone who was on your list (the people who were active in the thread at the time) are all town? Why the fuck would you do that?In post 295, MMM wrote:
Add Uzi to this listIn post 294, MMM wrote:
If, let's say, us two, Mulch, ELA and Danyboy are probably town nitpicking at each other, who do you think is actually scum then?In post 287, Bomberman wrote:The problem I am facing right now when it comes to the current gamestate is that the people who have been most prominent in discussion are likely town and only nitpicking at each other
This is a bad argument to make right now.In post 240, EeveeLution Army wrote:How do you know they haven't been here? For all you know they are reading what we are saying right now and blatantly ignoring it
This is a bad vote. I said it was a bad argument to make, and this is a shit vote man. We have plenty going on in thread right now with people being active, I said as much in post #250, which you ignored, or chose to again not comment on. Do I need to take out a billboard with my posts on it near your house for you to remember to respond. Its odd, because you were the one who wanted to hear my stately opinion and have done squat with it so far.In post 268, EeveeLution Army wrote:
I've explained why i read you. And again i feel its unlikely its both of you but its possible. I do feel at least one of you is probably scum.In post 267, Mulch wrote:Your scumread on me is bullshit because I've been nothing but townie all day. My scumread on you is clouding your judgment.
UNVOTE: Lmkguy
LOLOLOLOL at #320 from you Eevee, you answer Uzis post, and mine are still ignored.
Mulch why am I lock town? And I hate you putting me in a town block with gerry.
Massive has a point. And what looks like a decent vote.
Or you got buddied hard and you missed it.In post 277, Mulch wrote:
We mindmeldIn post 275, EeveeLution Army wrote:Wait Mulch why do you even townread gerryoat?
I personally don't see it.
Why is this relevant?In post 308, Tchill13 wrote:Your vote is still on Lil uzi right?
If you look at the actual content he has put out there youll see him as scum. Just read his posts again.In post 313, Bomberman wrote:Information in the sense that he has an absurdly high post count, has interacted with a majority of people, and has even written a wall or two about his reads
Granted, this behavior does not make him immediately town, but if my suspicion about what I talked about prior is true, it's more than likely that there are better votes/people to pursue, like ones who are more of an enigma
As a general note, can we hide quoted posts in expandable spoilers? I play a lot on my phone and the 9 deep posts are killing me.-
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VOTE: UnvoteIn post 330, MMM wrote:
I didn't either but with 1 being an RVS vote from someone who hasn't posted since page 3, 2 being OMGUS and 1 being... (Mulch what the heck is your vote based off of again?) this wagon should be dissolved in no time.In post 311, Bomberman wrote:I honestly didn't realize MMM had so many votes
Fair nuff. To answer your question, I won't be mad.
I know this sounds presumptuous but you'll knowMMM wrote: For how long will you put it off?
Nah, this wagon is gonna stick around. I smell fake all about you.
VOTE: MMM-
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I'm not going to respond to this yet other than saying that I am going to politely ask you to refrain from using perjorative language towards myself and the other players. I swear a lot myself, but you know what I try not to do? Call people fucking retards for reading you a certain way.
You say I didn't read what you wrote, expect I did. And I outlined my thought process on you as well. Just because something isn't going your way it does not give you carte blanche to be a dick. So this is your one warning from me. Do it again and you and I will never play a game together again.
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Hey MMM. I think it's super shitty of you to act like an ass, get called straight the fuck out for it, and then you ignore that.
You are not a special little snowflake who is going to be coddled to. Ever think that I don't give a fuck about your opinion because I think you're scum? And that everything you are doing now is only solidifying my ideas?
This is the last time I'll participate today until my prior post is addressed by MMM. Until then enjoy the death tunnel dude.-
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This guy is scum. Save the mod the trouble of finding a replacement who is going to come in and get lynched.In post 468, MMM wrote:Yeah you know what I'm sick and tired to death of dealing with the constant bullshit and being ignored in this thread. Sorry ELA, I'll find us another game sometime.
@Mod: Replace me.
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You want us to go all the way on the 2 weeks? No. No way. We have a guy who is acting scummy as hell, throwing AtE around like it was candy at a pedobear party, refusing to actually scumhunt, posting walls that might as well been the lyrics to the number one hit All-Star from Smashmouth for the insight we gained from it.
We do not need to go to deadline each day, all we need is for everyone to have the opportunity to speak and a consensus being reached on what direction we need to go in.
If you think MMM should hang, vote him. If we get close to a lynch we can figure it out there. If you think he is town then explain to me who we should be voting instead.-
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I don't agree with his view that RVS is useless, in fact I feel like people who dont partcipate do so for a reason, and its not usually a good one. I dont see it as a scum tell, but I will look at someone harder as a result.In post 483, Mulch wrote:BTW, why do you dislike Gerrygoat @FormerFish
Post #94, Gerry tries to call out iDany for previously voting Eevee in RVS then he called Tchill out for his actual vote on Eevee. The attack is disingenuous and forced. He later literally laughs at iDany when he pointed out the difference in the two votes. In #222 he goes as far to ask this "iDany why do you keep asking mundane questions without actual scumhunting?" Like, how does he not realize that iDany is hunting, just in a different way. Those "mundane" questions are setting a baseline that some people are going to have a hard time coming away from.
I expected to be able to poke holes in the wagon he started on Eevee, but I saw that he never pushed him at all, and then switched his vote to Bomber without much anything else inbetween.
#331/418- prodge posts.
#485- Buddying mulch again for some reason by further explaining why he see him as town.
I do like Gerry's point on Eevee in 486 though, that was a really weird comment.
His view on MMM is in direct opposition to mine, and I have to wonder if that is because I am wrong, or because he might be chainsawing me for attacking his buddy to get me to back off.
Ill put this here because I think that its ironic how hypocritical this post is from him. iDany has been attempting to scum hunt the way that he wants to, yet it is seem as bullshit, mundane questioning. ISO Gerry and you'll see a lot of what he said iDany is doing.In post 490, gerryoat wrote:In post 280, iDanyboy wrote:
Your read is wrong and biased. Change it.In post 277, Mulch wrote:
We mindmeldIn post 275, EeveeLution Army wrote:Wait Mulch why do you even townread gerryoat?
I personally don't see it.
Why do you think his read is wrong? All I've seen you do is post empty statements and questions, yet not give any reasons. If by the end of this reread, you haven't given any reasons, I'm likely voting you
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Jesus we get it, you have a mafia crush on Mulch. Why are you going overboard to assure us all how townie you see mulch? Is there an antimulch movement out there that I missed that you are privately fighting one sycophantic post at a time?In post 500, gerryoat wrote:
this post speaks to me sooooo much. Cause I can see myself saying that to someone I TR that votes me lmao. Mulch is still obvs town.In post 387, Mulch wrote:Dumbo. I think your town too.-
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I'm... sorry? One time I had to write this analytical paper in college for an English class. I researched this paper, had a well thought out argument that was in opposition to popular belief, and I backed it up with evidence and examples to help solidify my case. I suck at spelling and proper punctuation and had a few errors in the paper. My teacher cared more about how the paper was written and set up and not what the paper was about. You remind me of that teacher right now. I love how you mention not liking my posting style, but not saying anything about the content of my posts.In post 504, gerryoat wrote:Spoiler:
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I again disagree. I am feeling all kinds of scum caught for the wrong reasons and being frustrated because there is no way that they are going to be able to talk themselves out of it because he was caught regardless.In post 509, gerryoat wrote:Also MMM's replaceout is NAI, btw. could do that as scum or maf. But, personally I think his posts were townish despite like 1 or 2
Also funny to note that you mention that he could do that as scum or maf. Not scum/town. And MMM's posts sucked and the fact that you liked them is enough for me to dislike and distrust you in this game.-
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This is a horrible post. It is very apparent why Gerry is townreading Mulch, he has mentioned it multiple times, mostly extemporaneously and with saccharine sweetness. Either you aren't paying attention to the thread, like at fucking all, or that question was fake and you need gerry to spoon feed you a view on mulch you can come to agree with.In post 514, EeveeLution Army wrote:Any reason you townread mulch? I find him more null-
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And this is weak reasoning to give to a legit question. Great way to conceal a lack of actual reasoning though.In post 520, EeveeLution Army wrote:
Alot of rereading, rethinking and 200 posts are you saying reads cant changeIn post 518, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
What's changed from 279?In post 510, EeveeLution Army wrote:Gerry makes good point and tbh i have to agree in this that the best vote here is
VOTE: lil uzi
After looking through the evidence he is scummier then the rest of the pl other then people who haven't talked as much but thats NAI-
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In post 524, Mulch wrote:Woah, I see some hard-core pocketing of me by goat
Not this game. I've been in a bit of a haze for a few weeks, I isoed you and liked what I saw. That kinda scares me though, we tend to clash over stupid stuff. I'm willing to go with it for now.In post 723, GreyICE wrote:
Dunno man, starting to feel like I'm that guy you ignore and shoot at night.In post 720, Formerfish wrote:Hello Grey, I haven't gotten to where you replaced in yet. It was a bad idea to get high and put supernatural on in the background. I'm sure we'll butt heads soon.
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What did this mean though?In post 682, GreyICE wrote:FYI whenever someone puts the loudest and clearest voice in the town as one of their only town reads (along with FormerFish for... some reason... (buddy) it's a bad sign-
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Yeah, you'd be right about that. I quickly read through your iso to the point where I would be current. I guess it would be more accurate to say that nothing in your first 6 posts seemed off to me. I suppose I should go back and do a full read though because it is apparent that I am missing big parts of this game right now. I can understand how that might make me appear right now, so before anything else I am going to reread.-
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I feel like this game quickly got away from me. I have an idea of how to get back on track. I don't have my daughter at home tonight so I will be able to do what I have planned (don't get excited, I just thought of a different way to catch up).
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See, I dont get what you guys see in MMM in general and specifically the replace out. I am seeing the replace out in a much different way.
And yes, I could get the info from reading, but youre here and I'm here. I find I do much better at this when I have a sounding board, which is why I play well as a hydra.-
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I agree with the town read on Mulch, he pinged me early on, but Ill admit my early game is all about making pushes where I can and seeing what people do in reaction to those pushes. When I push Mulch I liked the push back I got, and then he actually started to post. The gerry lovefest scares me a little because I can't figure out why gerry is going out of his way to say how town mulch is and that he is not getting lynched. Like I said before its like gerry is fighthing a one man war against a lynch no one is pushing for today.
"I think the stagnation of some of the voters on the MMM wagon that got on for some particularly skeevy reasoning and aren't players I town read is a serious concern."- this is a confusing sentence, can you clarify?
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Fair enough, if it becomes relevant again I can go back and reread.In post 1080, ReplacedIn wrote:I've gone into MMM and his replace out pretty extensively in my ISO, not really a topic I want to waste more time on personally.
I do that when I replace into games, and I thought I might give it a go here. I like to get someone talking to me and see what they say and then be able to go back. Its interesting to see who is willing to talk, what they want to talk about, and maybe what they arent talking about. Trust me, I will go back and read you at some point, dont worry so much about what youve written already, just talk to me here for a bit.Can understand the "Sounding board / hydra = easier" stance, much prefer playing inside hydra's or just talking about games with people when neither of us are in games myself but can't really comprehend why you haven't at least ISO'ed me before wanting to have this conversation as that'd lead towards a much smoother and easier interaction from both of our perspectives. I've given a reads list of most of my town and scum reads which can be found inside my first 4 ISO posts.
I get the "mindmeld" bullshit, its something my brother and I do too. What I don't get is the continued love from gerry to the point that mulch is becoming visably uncomfortable in the thread. (Mulch, you are safe man)Don't really disagree in that I found the Mulch<->Gerry love of each other in the early game pretty hard to follow re; the sheer read strength but I've come around to them both being town individually and think it's more just a playstyle difference than anything else.
No, that makes its quite clear. Its actually a great fucking point. I can concede that my read on MMM/Chick slot may be off. I just hate the jump to AtE that he made, and the comment about me needing to get over myself for pointing out my belief on his language choice. I suppose I can back off this line of inquiry for now.
So lets look at the 4 current voters on the wagon [Arona, Massive, LUV and yourself]. Aronas pretty much solely focused on MMM inside his posts and has his vote dating back from #44 with him reaffirming his scum read there since and not really being very active. Massive voted MMM fairly early on too with reasoning that I really don't like, nor do I like his continued vote there or his defence of it. LUV's is probably one of the more reasonable votes but his lack of reassesment there and interaction with it despite him knowing the slot holder well isn't great? And your vote is from earlier too and while I've got a ~weakish town read on you, it's not one where I can say I relate to the read at all, nor do I think you're an up to date and active player. So when you look at the wagon composition I can easily see there being scum that are comfortable just parking themselves there. Hoping that explains it a little clearer.In post 1079, Formerfish wrote:"I think the stagnation of some of the voters on the MMM wagon that got on for some particularly skeevy reasoning and aren't players I town read is a serious concern."- this is a confusing sentence, can you clarify?
VOTE: Unvote
Intent to vote Tchill
My vote would be l-1 if I am correct.
<<< For the record, I am not counting this as a vote on Tchill, as I believe there was no intent to vote Tchill in this post. >>>Last edited by mastina on Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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We are on the same page with iDany and mulch. Grey I am going to need to do a more through read of.
Disagree on gerry, and feel iffy about eevee as well, which is weird cause i got some of my early reads based off peoples interactions there, but now I could see this slot as scum sometimes, so it makes me feel weird.
iDany seems to be saying a lot of the same things that I am when I am reading through. I guess with him its a little of what mulch was saying about mindmelding. Unless he is playing very well as scum he is having the same thoughts as me, and if we are seeing the same things then maybe other people are too and if other people are then maybe there is fire where there is smoke. His posts just feel right to me, and if he is scum then brafuckingvo man.
Eevee- i know i went back and forth in some of my earlier posts about this slot. Like I said, I used the interactions they had with some other people to base reads off of, but then found myself oscillating back and forth almost from post to post. I never figured out where i really feel there, but feel like from early interactions I would give a contingent townread.
The meta was the two posts that were the same from two different games, right? Yeah that was redic. I caught that at work and laughed out loud in the bathroom. I dont think anyone else was in there with me so its cool. Didnt mulch say he hammered tchill in the game he said that first?-
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For me (in no order at all) itd be
Town/ish- iDany, mulch, massive (ive seen this as town from massive multiple times, if he isnt town itll show eventually) and replace (i actually liked bombers posts)
Null- Grey (i know how our interaction has looked so far, ill own that. My only defense is that I have been pretty fucked up for a few months now, literally and figuratively, and ive been high most of the times ive been reading, sometimes more than others.), eevee (i feel like a flip flopper here), lmk (playa needs to start playing, but i see hes been prodded and maybe have flaked so...), aron (I feel like I saw him in rvs, a little after, and then i have no clue where he went), luv (I have mixed feelings here that I need to sort)
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I do have this, but its only going to cover the first 500 posts or so. I have a hard time isoing people like that because i lose context and get lost. This is a read that I was ok with being the only one in on for now.In post 1088, ReplacedIn wrote:Wouldn't mind you talking a bit more about Gerry (Maybe do a quick ISO skim of him first, his posts are short) because I feel pretty happy with that read?
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I don't agree with his view that RVS is useless, in fact I feel like people who dont partcipate do so for a reason, and its not usually a good one. I dont see it as a scum tell, but I will look at someone harder as a result.In post 483, Mulch wrote:BTW, why do you dislike Gerrygoat @FormerFish
Post #94, Gerry tries to call out iDany for previously voting Eevee in RVS then he called Tchill out for his actual vote on Eevee. The attack is disingenuous and forced. He later literally laughs at iDany when he pointed out the difference in the two votes. In #222 he goes as far to ask this "iDany why do you keep asking mundane questions without actual scumhunting?" Like, how does he not realize that iDany is hunting, just in a different way. Those "mundane" questions are setting a baseline that some people are going to have a hard time coming away from.
I expected to be able to poke holes in the wagon he started on Eevee, but I saw that he never pushed him at all, and then switched his vote to Bomber without much anything else inbetween.
#331/418- prodge posts.
#485- Buddying mulch again for some reason by further explaining why he see him as town.
I do like Gerry's point on Eevee in 486 though, that was a really weird comment.
His view on MMM is in direct opposition to mine, and I have to wonder if that is because I am wrong, or because he might be chainsawing me for attacking his buddy to get me to back off.
Ill put this here because I think that its ironic how hypocritical this post is from him. iDany has been attempting to scum hunt the way that he wants to, yet it is seem as bullshit, mundane questioning. ISO Gerry and you'll see a lot of what he said iDany is doing.In post 490, gerryoat wrote:In post 280, iDanyboy wrote:
Your read is wrong and biased. Change it.In post 277, Mulch wrote:
We mindmeldIn post 275, EeveeLution Army wrote:Wait Mulch why do you even townread gerryoat?
I personally don't see it.
Why do you think his read is wrong? All I've seen you do is post empty statements and questions, yet not give any reasons. If by the end of this reread, you haven't given any reasons, I'm likely voting you
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Hed be more in the townish pile, and its all based on meta.In post 1091, ReplacedIn wrote:Little confused by your town read on Massive here, even ignoring meta I'm not sure how you look at him stating he town read Gamma (who had 0 posts) and come out with town. Want to try and briefly run by what you think of his here points towards him being town?
I'd say outside of that the only reads I'd disagree with is Grey (I think there's strong logic behind him being town but can understand someone being a little more hesitant to call a read here given he's got a solid scum game) and Gerry who I'd like to hear more about re; his recent stuff. But overall your reads match mine.
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He and I basically have the same read on you. Why do you ask him to explain his read on you, but not me? Why does it matter to you that a few people mildly scum read you? If you were being actively pushed I might understand, but that's not really the case here is it?In post 1101, EeveeLution Army wrote:Spoiler:
I feel i missed something.
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Grey, explain this vote to me. You come off MMM because he's being replaced and we don't have a chance to get a claim out of him to avoid accidentally lynching a PR day 1, right? And in the same post you vote LMK, because serious, who has even less content than MMM. How do you justify that?In post 612, GreyICE wrote:Hey guys I have an idea. MMM isn't here. I'm not going to vote a person who isn't here without some PR nonsense and we don't have that.
I'd also like to offer an idea. The more people post, the more likely they are to post something scummy. That doesn't mean that scum never post lots or town are never mostly silent, but holy shit does it mean that some of you need to chill on each other. Your noise provides nothing but a forest for scum to hide in.
I'd also like to submit something for consideration:
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Reading the spat between Bomb and LUV again was annoying, but I don't understand how this was the end of it. Bomb was trying to get LUV to change his view of MMM by saying empty slot, pr, yada yada yada, all while currently voting someone with less content and an equal chance of no claim. LUV repeatedly asks why Bomb sees MMM as someone to not lynch when they have more to go on and more to gain from his lynch. Bomb keeps asking what LUV thinks can be gained (which he actually does answer by saying he didn't want to give up any info to scum by discussing what Bomb wanted him to). LUV says he's been doing that and asks his question again, bomb tells him to fuck off. LUV quotes all the posts he made about MMM in the one just prior to this one from Bomb, and then he replaced out.
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Look at this mook following anyone onto the newest wagon.
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This makes a lot more sense now in context. You're wrong, but I understand what you are trying to say now. I don't know why we do this grey. I've shown myself to not be a totally incompetent player, but I still feel almost disdain from you every time we play. Maybe you are just that afraid of my scum game your default setting for me is scum?In post 682, GreyICE wrote:FYI whenever someone puts the loudest and clearest voice in the town as one of their only town reads (along with FormerFish for... some reason... (buddy) it's a bad sign-
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Ok that makes more sense, but I still disagree. You saw what happened last game we played together. I was scum and hardcore defended a townread to gain towncred for myself to bank for later in the game. You know white knighting is a thing and why scum do it. Why are you acting like this is a foreign concept?In post 1112, massive wrote:
No. The question was "why wouldn't scum loudly defend town-MMM rather than loudly push him" and the answer is "scum don't want to loudly defend a townie because that could result in that townie becoming widely townread." I maybe could have used a few more words in that sentence.In post 1106, Formerfish wrote:Massive, did I read that right? Being widely townread as scum doesn't help them?-
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I disliked the Grey/LUV spat as well. It seemed like a carbon copy of the Bomb/LUV issue with slightly different ingredients. To me it felt like LUV was again asking for someone, anyone, to explain why they had a town read on MMM and why they were less willing to lynch him without a claim over other people, also sans claim. Instead of answering the question Grey berated LUV and went into ad home attacks. LUV tried to get an answer and was told to shut the fuck up. All while being told that he's basically a piece of shit for not taking other people's opinions as gospel and changing the way he's been interpreting the game. I think this is why I clash with grey. Hes kind of an egotistical ass who bullies people in thread who don't confirm to his way of thinking. Is he scum? Probably not, just a dick.-
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This may be fucked up, but I want to take credit for MMM. He did replace out right in the middle of a thing he and I were having.In post 758, massive wrote:I'm caught up but not much has changed for me. Let me know when it's my turn to be so upset by Uzi that I need to replace out.-
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Another sheep vote out of nowhere. Has anyone tried showing this guy something shiny yet?In post 761, Tchill13 wrote:So I just looked at lmkguys 3 posts and his biggest scum read just so happened to be the largest wagon we had going at the time? I don't know about that.
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This vote bugged me as well (unless this is a joke vote I didnt get). Grey wont vote MMM because hes being replaced, votes lmk who is inactive, MMM gets replaced, immediately votes for the replacement citing the fact that tchill joined the wagon on lmk as one of his reasons. What?In post 763, GreyICE wrote:Vote: Chickadee
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Tinfoil hat time: What if this is grey actually telling tchill to go check their scum thread because he is fucking up right now and grey is trying to coach him from the pt?In post 765, GreyICE wrote:You could check the quicktopic and get back to me on who the other two are.