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Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and call the doctor woke him up
I said Doctor! Is there nothing I can take
I said Doctor! To relieve this bellyache
I said Doctor! Is there nothing I can take
I said Doctor! To relieve this bellyache
Oh let me get this straight
Oh mister Doctor man I think I'm going insane
My girl's been creepin' on me and my heart is filled with pain
Now I can't sleep, can't eat, can't stop this funky beat
Can't you hear it she keeps playing in my head
Baby You really drive me coconuts
Tell me, what am I gonna do?
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and call the doctor, woke him up
I said doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
I said doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
let me get this straight
My temperature is up to 103
Is there anything you can prescribe for me?
Well the doctor said "Hmmm, now let me see
just keep your body moving that's what works for me"
Baby, you really drive me coconuts
Tell me, what am I gonna do?
You put the lime in the coconut and drink them both together
Put the lime in the coconut and you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em all up
You put the lime in the coconut and call me in the morning
doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
I said doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
I can't catch myself, hey doc I'm sick
I'm feelin' all run down, I'm sinking like a brick
I've seen dots in front of my eyes
But you talk about coconuts, and you're feeding me limes?
Different remedies you're giving to me, but nothing's working
Doc, if you don't tend to me I'm gonna be the big bad wolf
And blow your house down
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
Put the lime in the coconut; you're such a silly one
You put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together
Put the lime in the coconut and you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em all down
You put the lime in the coconut and call me in the mornin'
Woooo Woooo
Is there nothing I can take
Wooo Wooo
To relieve this bellyache, I said
Oh Wooo Wooo
Is there nothing I can take I said
Wooo Wooo
To relieve this bellyache I said
Yeah Yeah
Is there nothing I can take I said
Wah Wahh
To relieve this bellyache I said
Doctor! Is there nothing I can take I said
Doctor! To relieve this bellyache
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together
Put the lime in the coconut and then you'll feel better
Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
Hey there. I'm going to read up now and I'd appreciate it if someone could get me up to speed. (Claims, important game events such as why you couldn't get a lynch through D1 or even D2, etc.) I've loosely been following this game since the beginning (I have a vested interest in it), but not closely enough where I actually know what's going on. Anything you give helps.And you drink it all up.-
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Spoiler: Playerlist ReferencePut the playerlist in the game thread, and you reference it,
Put the playerlist in the game thread, and you reference it.
Since so many players have been replaced and we lack a mafia flip, having it in one spot makes it easier for me to visualize.
Put the votes through analysis, and you reference it,
Put the votes through analysis, and you reference it.
I also find it's useful to put all the game's votecounts in one spot for an easy reference point when reading, as they can give extra context I otherwise would lack. Enough to make it worth burning an extra post on.
Spoiler: Votecounts ReferenceI say Info! Analysis is to come.
I say Info! You'll be happy when I'm done.
I say Info! Analysis is to come.
I say Info! You'll be happy when I'm done.
By itself this post is useless but I'll make good use of it momentarily.And you drink it all up.-
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Put theVOTE:on theEmeraldand watch the scum flip,
You Put theVOTE:on theEmeraldand watch the scum flip.
In case that doesn't count,
VOTE: Gamma Emerald.
I've only read the first seven pages so far (I'd share my notes but they are so messy even I can barely understand them), but I'm reasonably certain massive is town; Mathblade's slot I strongly lean town; nancy weakly looks town. I saw bad things fromallof Gamma Emerald's, Game Replacement's, Drixx's, and Grendel's slots. Of them, Game Replacement and Gamma Emerald stick out the most and I lean towards the scumteam being them plus Grendel. I'm casting the vote because of 154. More to come when I'm caught up.And you drink it all up.-
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I say whoopsies! I did misspeak earlier.
I say whoopsies! Drixx is our actual third.
I say whoopsies! I did misspeak earlier.
I say whoopsies! Drixx is our actual third.
I'm through page 14 and I'm wondering if I misspoke when I said I leaned Grendel over Drixx, because everything I've read in these seven pages supports a Game Replacement/Gamma Emerald/Drixx scumteam. Highlight reel: , 214, , 287, 292, , , . The stronger the emphasis I've given, the more important the value I've assigned.And you drink it all up.-
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Spoiler: Playerlist Reference
I am redoing this because I was unaware of Ether's votecounts. It unfortunately eats up another one of my precious few posts, but I think it's worth it in the long-run. In particular, I must question why the wagons on a town-Tchill and a town-monkey lasted and grew whereas the wagon on Eddie Cane did not.Spoiler: Votecounts ReferenceAnd you drink it all up.-
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I apologize, but I cannot finish my readthrough. I got through 46. I'll leave you my notes, even though they are incoherent.
Korts = Drixx
PersephoneSidekick = Eddie Cane = Game Replacement
Draynth = Sunlit Diamond = Gamma Emerald
Robbnva = Mathblade
Kaboose = Grendel
massive
nancy
Spoiler: Wagons
+s: GR, GE, Drixx, Grendel
-t: ?massive?, ??Mathblade??, ???nancy???
Spoiler: As I ReadAnd you drink it all up.-
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Spoiler: Notes up to my replacementIn post 1343, massive wrote:So let's see, so far we have a flipped jailkeeper, a flipped vigilante, a flipped cop. When I said "role madness" was when Ginngie was also claiming a PR. At what point do you NOT go "this is role madness"? Lucky for you we're lynching nancy today.
VOTE: NancyI say hold on! You are acting with some haste.
I say hold on! Lynching nancy is a waste.
I say hold on! You are acting with some haste.
I say hold on! Lynching nancy is a waste.
I may be playing under a gimmicky alt but I am quite familiar with the balance standards of normal games. We have a Jailkeeper, a Vig, and a Novice Cop. Were the cop ungated, I'd buy that against an all-goon scumteam as balanced. However, the copwasgated, even if only loosely so. As a result, I would fully expect exactly one extra town power role in the game (and maybe a weak scum PR). If nancy is said extra, then she is town.
In post 1341, nancy wrote:How do you have a scumteam pick on page 7? Why do I weakly look town there when you don't have any markings for me until 1114? How are you reasonably certain massive is town at that point? I don't understand how your reads in 1337 line up with your notes. Was there a substantive reason why you don't have question marks around your scumreads?Put the playerlist in the game thread, and you reference it,
Put the playerlist in the game thread, and you reference it.
I say Info! Analysis is to come.
I say Info! You'll be happy when I'm done.
I say Info! Analysis is to come.
I say Info! You'll be happy when I'm done.
Put the votes through analysis, and you reference it,
Put the votes through analysis, and you reference it.
All of that has the same answer. I was crossreferencing with the votecounts and my preliminary thoughts from there. VCA without a scum flip is less than ideal, but I can still ascertain certain things from it. These deductions aren't very strong, but are enough where I can generate reads. When I said I would make good use of the post, this is what I was referring to. At every point in the game I was paying attention to how the wagons formed and mentally calculating what they were likely to mean. If you want better answers than that, ask more relevant questions.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1382, Grendel wrote:@Lime
Your notes are hard to read. Can you pull the quotes most relevant to your current reads?A fair request you made right here, but I can't give I fear,
A fair request you made right here, but I can't give I fear.
That would be difficult since it'd imply I have any posts which are most relevant to my current reads. While it's true enough certain posts had a larger influence, I wouldn't be able to single them out on memory alone. I included links to every area which I found of interest. Everything I brought forth was important. If you have trouble understanding part of my notes, just quote it and I will translate it.
In post 1386, massive wrote:
I believe that nancy isn't a TOWN PR.In post 1382, Grendel wrote:I have another question, do you believe that nancy isn't really a pr?I say I do! Thus I cannot follow that.
I say I do! Her as town fits all my facts.
I say I do! Thus I cannot follow that.
I say I do! Her as town fits all my facts.
Unless I get an explicit roleclaim from a player, I trust her to be town. Do you disagree with my belief that the town can and should have four (not three) roles this game?And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1396, massive wrote:I do agree with your belief. Which is why I don't believe nancy is town. And I'm going to end up effectively counterclaiming her anyways no matter what she says. So here's me: I'm a backup to one of the dead roles. I guess I'll expect your vote on nancy in your next post?You are correct! That is sufficient for me.
You are correct! That's reason to lynch nancy.
You are correct! That is sufficient for me.
You are correct! That's reason to lynch nancy.
VOTE: nancy.
I do apologize for forcing an explicit counterclaim. I had two main motives. One, I wanted a hard guilty. Two, I wanted to avoid lynching a genuine town power role off of speculation of "well shecouldbe scum fakeclaiming". Overall, I felt the trade would be worth it.
In post 1399, Grendel wrote:I don't think that nancy handles a slot the way she handled Gamma earlier, and moreover I agree that Gamma being the only wagon today is very questionable.
Math's play today has been pretty scummy. Nothing about Gamma has been obscum fmpov, and seeing Math insist that he has been doesn't jive with me. It looks like over compensation. The point that Massive calling the game a role maddness is a scum slip also doesn't seem believable. My only qualm is that I think that in this sutiantion Math would be bussing nancy instead of pushing a mislynch on Gamma. The scum Math I remember likes to bus a lot. I guess that this would call into question Gamma's legitimacy, I'll have to consider that bridge when I come to it.
Lime and his predecessor have flown under the radar this game. This may be due to how Dark horse played up to my own thoughts on the game state intentionally or not (If dark hourse was purposely echoing me then wow, he really got inside me head). Lime doing little to push or poke outside of his recently competeled catch-up, and his handling Gamma/nancy aren't good. Scum also tend to leave in drop points vs proactively use points they've already made in the thread. Example here being how I asked Lime to explain they reads in a more cohesive manner, and they're response was that I should find it myself.
I'd be lying if I said I'm wholly positive that the team is all in nancy, Lime, Math/Drixx. I do think that there is a chance that Penguin could be the final scum. I'm not prepared to jump away from my original tells, yet I'm not even sure why I was town reading eddie so hard outside of that specific reason.
Outside of him I would be very surprised to learn any of Massive/Gamma/Gingie were scum based off today's interactions alone.This post is wrong on so many levels that I don't even knowwhereto begin. I'm at a loss for words as far as my gimmick goes because I don't have any clever quip prepared for this level of wrongness. I'm not going to call the whole post a steaming pile of shit because there are parts to it that are fine (which I have edited out). But nothing you've said in here is accurate.
nancy absolutely does handle a partner the way she handled Gamma. Gamma Emerald was the main wagon because he's just that obvious scum.
In spite of us having a hard guilty on nancy I'd even still be willing to lynch Gamma for this very reason; I guarantee you he does not flip town here. The most scummy aspect of Mathblade's play is how there hasn't been anything scummy in Mathblade's play. They bleed town every step of the way and that's the closest thing to a warning sign possible from their play this game. Even there I have doubts. And for the record the meta is backwards. Mathblade doesn't bus much. (They do but only when it's unavoidable.)
I have engaged everyone who has engaged me, the polar opposite of flying under the radar. If people decide not to engage me, that's on them not me. Dark Horse not playing the game might have something to do with how he site flaked. I may not have done much outside of my recently-completed catch-up, but that was a RECENT event so what more would I be asked to do? I've done more in the last couple of days for this game (spending at least five consecutive hours reading every page) than over half the players have in a full week.
I also did not tell you to find it yourself. I simply told you to reframe your question in a way I understand. Because you asked of me something Idon'treally get. You asked me to pull the most relevant quotes. I told you I can't do that because none are more relevant; everything's important. So I asked you to reframe the question into something I WOULD get. You choosing not to do so is on YOU. Not me.
massive and Ginngie are easy townreads sure enough and townreading Eddie Cane is likely a mistake so it is a mistake to believe the team is three of nancy/Lime/Math/Drixx (the maximum would be two but even that I sincerely doubt), but the handling of it is just awful. I don't even think it's scum, but I am immensely displeased because this kind of thinking I feel will directly lead to a town loss.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1417, nancy wrote:lime in da coconut should probably know better than to base reads off setup spec if they are who I think they are but I could be wrong on the altguessI'll admit this is a valid point to make; Ishould"know better" than to make decisions off of setup spec but I unfortunately do make mistakes.
However, pushing nancy as scum was not setup speculation. I only had weak reasoning to call nancy town and I had reasonably strong evidence massive was town. We were nearing deadline, and given the circumstances behind nancy's claim I was willing to buy it was scum.
In post 1419, Grendel wrote:I do think that you are reactive instead of active.You are right and yet also wrong, which depends on my song,
You are right and yet also wrong, which depends on my song.
I'm both proactive AND reactive. When catching up, I won't spend time responding to every notable post, instead simply marking them appropriately. Once finished, I'll respond to anything piquing my interest. Nothing grabs my attention, I react; I see something, I take action. If you question a lack of action to something, inquire. I'll then answer why I passed it initially (and optionally, weigh in).
In post 1405, Ginngie wrote:MASS CLAIM TIMETo make it clear! I softed so heavily.
To make it clear! I am clearly a VT.
To make it clear! I softed so heavily.
To make it clear! I am clearly a VT.
It should be obvious enough given my stance we had only one weaker PR remaining I was claiming to not hold one, but to hardclaim, I am in fact a vanilla townie.
In post 1409, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't really see much new here. What I'm going to try to think on is whether massive was being genuine when he said he thought it was role madness.Looking I see sketchy as fuck, in this post by Gamma,
Looking I see sketchy as fuck, in this post by Gamma.
Gamma not realizing the implication of massive's claim stands out, as does him casting shade on massive.
In post 1451, Drixx wrote:I think we basically got super lucky, because the primary reason that nancy was lynched was because of setup spec, and we know from Massive's flip that there is more PRs (he flipped Backup Vanilla_Cop when humaneatingmonkey was a Cop with the novice modifier. I'm pretty sure this means that Massive was not even a PR yet, but instead was backup to a Vanilla Cop who hasn't yet flipped. Good play on his part drawing fire in that case. There's also the fact that I know for sure of at least one other town PR.You would think so! But actually you're wrong.
You would think so! Yet before I've seen this cop.
You would think so! But actually you're wrong.
You would think so! Yet before I've seen this cop.
Actually, this isn't the case. You would think so, but I know from experience in Normals this is not the case. I would have to track down which completed Normal games demonstrate my point, but I have personally witnessed almost this exact combination before: a weaker backup to a stronger role. (Or a stronger backup to a weaker role, I don't quite remember which.) The backup vanilla cop is classified as a COP, thus is a backup to a COP, even though it is a vanilla cop.
You may personally find it weird, yet the key part of the role is not vanilla/novice, but rather, both being Cops. (The key is not to think how you personally would file the roles but to look at how the NRG files the roles. And I am telling you that a backup vanilla cop can become active upon the death of a cop by NRG logic.) As a result, I find it quite curious you claim to have knowledge of an additional PR. Do share, because I'm quite positive we do not have one.And you drink it all up.-
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I should mention at this stage I'm midway through a soft-reset in that I am reevaluating every read except my Ginngie townread. Right now I'm not voting because by the time we lynch, we should have a POE pool established and a clear idea of what that flip will give. Right now any player (save Ginngie) flipping scum doesn't immediately give me the final scum; any player flipping town does not reveal who the scumteam is. The latter is particularly worrying as we'd then be in lylo. So I need time to sort the five slots and eliminate half of them.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1467, Gamma Emerald wrote:What was the implication of the claim though? I am a VT so I thought "okay I know he's wrong but is he being genuine about this or not?"In post 1252, nancy wrote:I targeted Tchill.In post 1378, lime in da coconut wrote:In post 1343, massive wrote:So let's see, so far we have a flipped jailkeeper, a flipped vigilante, a flipped cop. When I said "role madness" was when Ginngie was also claiming a PR. At what point do you NOT go "this is role madness"? Lucky for you we're lynching nancy today.
VOTE: NancyI say hold on! You are acting with some haste.
I say hold on! Lynching nancy is a waste.
I say hold on! You are acting with some haste.
I say hold on! Lynching nancy is a waste.
I may be playing under a gimmicky alt but I am quite familiar with the balance standards of normal games. We have a Jailkeeper, a Vig, and a Novice Cop. Were the cop ungated, I'd buy that against an all-goon scumteam as balanced. However, the copwasgated, even if only loosely so. As a result, I would fully expect exactly one extra town power role in the game (and maybe a weak scum PR). If nancy is said extra, then she is town.In post 1395, lime in da coconut wrote:In post 1386, massive wrote:
I believe that nancy isn't a TOWN PR.In post 1382, Grendel wrote:I have another question, do you believe that nancy isn't really a pr?I say I do! Thus I cannot follow that.
I say I do! Her as town fits all my facts.
I say I do! Thus I cannot follow that.
I say I do! Her as town fits all my facts.
Unless I get an explicit roleclaim from a player, I trust her to be town. Do you disagree with my belief that the town can and should have four (not three) roles this game?In post 1396, massive wrote:I do agree with your belief. Which is why I don't believe nancy is town. And I'm going to end up effectively counterclaiming her anyways no matter what she says. So here's me: I'm a backup to one of the dead roles. I guess I'll expect your vote on nancy in your next post?I point to this! Gamma made no note here.
I point to this! He didn't comment near.
I point to this! Gamma made no note here.
I point to this! He didn't comment near.
What I'm saying is, prior to this exchange it was assumed nancy was a town PR (because the game should have 4 roles with the last surviving one being weaker) and thus we shouldn't force her to claim details. massive agreed with the theory of the game having 4 roles with the last surviving one being weaker...and counterclaimed town PR, giving specifics as him being a backup to a dead role. This changed things. Your 1409 happened after this exchange, yet you wrote it off as "nothing new". Simultaneously, you threw doubt on massive. This combination could not be any more suspicious in light of nancy/massive's alignments.
In post 1467, Gamma Emerald wrote:As for what Drixx said I think it's more of a speculative conclusion that there's a vanilla cop, which I'm not so sure of.Not what I've taken issue of, it's more the followup,
Not what I've taken issue of, it's more the followup.
Drixx was indeed speculating (incorrectly) to the presence of a vanilla cop. That is not what I took issue with. What I took issue with is what he said after that:
Drixx is NOT referring to the Vanilla Cop with this sentence. He is referring to "knowing" the presence and/or identity (it is admittedly ambiguous which) of "at least" one other 'town' PR. This is not a generic "WE know". It's HE knows. And thus, I am demanding an answer.In post 1451, Drixx wrote:There's also the fact that I know for sure of at least one other town PR.
In post 1467, Gamma Emerald wrote:And no, backup vanilla cop doesn't become active on regular cop death, deputy does.The two are not mutually exclusive. A deputy (also calledbackup cop) does in fact become a cop upon the death of a cop. Abackupvanillacophowever is abackup copwith (in a sense) the vanilla-investigation "modifier". As a result, upon the death of a normal cop, a backup vanilla cop is activated without the need for a vanilla cop. Regardless of whether you agree with that logic, it is the logic the NRG operates under.
In post 1467, Gamma Emerald wrote:why do you doubt MathBlade + Grendel?I point to play! I doubt each of them themselves.
I point to play! Nothing bad in Math-Grendel.
I point to play! I doubt each of them themselves.
I point to play! Nothing bad in Math-Grendel.
Aside from how each is individually near the bottom of my suspicion list (I amconsideringthem as scum but I still hold significant doubts on both being scum), in my original readthrough I did not catch any alarming interactions indicating their slots to be scumbuddies. I am of course about to take another look with a second readthrough, but pending finding an alarm bell, my statement stands: I find a pairing of them to be incredibly unlikely.
In post 1467, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also lime, your gimmick is honestly the worst one I've seen.Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and call the doctor woke him up
I said Doctor! Is there nothing I can take
I said Doctor! To relieve this bellyache
I said Doctor! Is there nothing I can take
I said Doctor! To relieve this bellyache
Oh let me get this straight
Oh mister Doctor man I think I'm going insane
My girl's been creepin' on me and my heart is filled with pain
Now I can't sleep, can't eat, can't stop this funky beat
Can't you hear it she keeps playing in my head
Baby You really drive me coconuts
Tell me, what am I gonna do?
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and call the doctor, woke him up
I said doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
I said doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
let me get this straight
My temperature is up to 103
Is there anything you can prescribe for me?
Well the doctor said "Hmmm, now let me see
just keep your body moving that's what works for me"
Baby, you really drive me coconuts
Tell me, what am I gonna do?
You put the lime in the coconut and drink them both together
Put the lime in the coconut and you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em all up
You put the lime in the coconut and call me in the morning
doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
I said doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
I can't catch myself, hey doc I'm sick
I'm feelin' all run down, I'm sinking like a brick
I've seen dots in front of my eyes
But you talk about coconuts, and you're feeding me limes?
Different remedies you're giving to me, but nothing's working
Doc, if you don't tend to me I'm gonna be the big bad wolf
And blow your house down
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
Put the lime in the coconut; you're such a silly one
You put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together
Put the lime in the coconut and you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em all down
You put the lime in the coconut and call me in the mornin'
Woooo Woooo
Is there nothing I can take
Wooo Wooo
To relieve this bellyache, I said
Oh Wooo Wooo
Is there nothing I can take I said
Wooo Wooo
To relieve this bellyache I said
Yeah Yeah
Is there nothing I can take I said
Wah Wahh
To relieve this bellyache I said
Doctor! Is there nothing I can take I said
Doctor! To relieve this bellyache
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together
Put the lime in the coconut and then you'll feel better
Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all upAnd you drink it all up.-
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Critical to note: PenguinPower has not provided content since having replaced in. This can initially be excused by being a replacement near deadline. There is no such excuse now since PenguinPower should have been quite aware he'd live through the night and thus could provide analysis. I expect to be impressed with some immediate content because there is no excuse for its absence.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1471, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well that's me not reading the entire post by massive. Thanks for clarifying that.I'm skeptical! This looks made up on a whim.
I'm skeptical! In other words it's bullshit.
I'm skeptical! This looks made up on a whim.
I'm skeptical! In other words it's bullshit.
In post 1472, PenguinPower wrote:but your gimmick is distracting, so I'm gonna have to read during the day and not when I've had a few glasses of wine.Your stance I do think is made up, for a player I'm one,
Your stance I do think is made up, for a player I'm one.
Your stance here may justify a lack of position on MY slot or any of the content I personally have provided (though even there I find this sketchy), however it cannot possibly offer a justification for you ignoring all of Ginngie, Mathblade, Grendel, Drixx, and Gamma Emerald.
In post 1472, PenguinPower wrote:Also...I don't warrant a gimmick post?Brother bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime
His sister had another one, she paid it for a lime
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, she called the doctor, woke him up
And said, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take
I say, doctor, to relieve this bellyache?
I say, doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take
I say, doctor, to relieve this bellyache?
Now let me get this straight
You put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
You put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you called your doctor, woke him up
And said, Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take
I said, Doctor, to relieve this bellyache?
I said, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take
I said, Doctor, to relieve this bellyache?
You put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em both together
Put the lime in the coconut, then you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut, drink 'em both up
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the morning
Whoo-whoo-whoo, whoo-ooh-ooh, whoo-ooh-ooh
Whoo-whoo-whoo, whoo-ooh-ooh, whoo-ooh-ooh
Whoo-whoo-whoo, whoo-ooh-ooh, whoo-ooh-ooh
Whoo-whoo-whoo, whoo-ooh-ooh, whoo-ooh-ooh
Brother bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime
His sister had another one, she paid it for a lime
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
And put the lime in the coconut, she called the doctor, woke him up
Said, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take
I said, Doctor, to relieve this bellyache?
I said, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?
I said, Doctor
Now let me get this straight
You put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em both up
Put a lime in the coconut, you drink 'em both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you such a silly woman
Put a lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together
Put the lime in the coconut, then you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut, drink 'em both down
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the morning
Whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo, ain't there nothin' you can take
I say, whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo, to relieve your bellyache
You say, well, whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo, ain't there nothing I can take
I say, whoo-whoo, to relieve your bellyache
You say, yeah, ain't there nothin' I can take
I say, waah waah, to relieve this bellyache
I say, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?
I say, Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take?
I say, Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take?
I say, Doctor
You're such a silly woman
Put the lime in the coconut and drink them both together
Put the lime in the coconut, then you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut, drink 'em both up
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the mo-o-o-o-orning
Yes, you call me in the morning
If you call me in the morning, I'll tell you what to do
If you call me in the morning, I'll tell you what to do
If you call me in the morning, I'll tell you what to do
If you call me in the morning, I'll tell you what to do
Well, if you call me in the morning, I'll tell you what to doAnd you drink it all up.-
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My apologies. I wanted to reread the whole game thread tonight but I could only manage a third of it.Most important/consistent takeaways: I will never be considering a PenguinPower/Mathblade scumteam.Spoiler: Second Readthrough
Something I did this time which I did not last time: in my first readthrough, in many places, positive/negative marks were given connotations off of interactions.
Here, I instead separated the two. However, this would not itself explain all the little differences between my first and second times through.
I expect to be questioned on discrepancies between my notes on the first and second. Not only that, but questions on things whichdidn'tchange.And you drink it all up.-
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I'd like to point out now that the game is over my 1464 was referencing my misplay in Clash of the Gods.
In post 1478, MathBlade wrote:@lime -- Do you have a TLDR on that? I quite frankly will not read all of that unless I can see some method of comprehending it.In post 1475, lime in da coconut wrote:Most important/consistent takeaways: I will never be considering a PenguinPower/Mathblade scumteam.In post 1479, MathBlade wrote:Omg you do VCA like I do yay! Let's be as my sister says thread masons?I say not quite! It's the other way around.
I say not quite! Yours comes after mine was found.
I say not quite! It's the other way around.
I say not quite! Yours comes after mine was found.
I don't do VCA like you do; you do VCA likeIdo. I've been playing mafia longer than you have.
In post 1481, Drixx wrote:Lime in da coconut wins the award for rolefishing as a reaction to me claiming to know of another PR. No town aligned player should want me to reveal such information, except in conditions where doing so would solve the game. And I certainly didn't say or imply that.This is my point that I did make, attention should be paid,
This is my point that I did make, attention should be paid.
Exactly my point. You apparently didn't read my exchange with Gamma Emerald because my stance should be abundantly clear. This is not the theme games you're more accustomed to playing, Drixx. This is a mini normal. There are rules and guidelines dictating matters such as balance. We had a cop, a vig, and a jailkeeper (with only the slightest of gates on the cop). This is about the strongest role combination possible in a mini normal. We had one additional role in the form of massive's backup vanilla cop.
Ergo, all remaining town players are vanilla townies. Ergo, any power role claim would be scum. Ergo, revealing information about a "town" power role outs a scum player. Ergo, doing so WOULD solve the game. That's precisely the point I was making which you so conveniently are ignoring. We have no more town power. It's not possible, because there is absolutely no scum power which could possibly balance extra town power given what the town already has.
In post 1481, Drixx wrote:Is this as simple as Gamma Emerald and Lime?Good luck pushing that I went from bussing one partner to bussing the other. Especially if anyone here correctly alt-guesses me.
In post 1483, Ginngie wrote:Busy but compare interactions. Robbvna was never questioned by nancy
However, was always defending Robb by questioning and saying scumreads on him didn't make sense. Considering its quite clear that nancy fucked heavily with asking a lot of questione, giving reasoning for people. She has no basis for her reads to justify the defense of that slot. nancy scum will call the scummiest teammate town. Example when she said Math was town even after the horribad push by Math on her. This was nancy going "I don't understand why you're trying to bus me or distance, when she will just go "let us just townread each other."I disagree! I have a different take.
I disagree! Look elsewhere with this I say.
I disagree! I have a different take.
I disagree! Look elsewhere with this I say.
I disagree on a fundamental level. Robbvnawasquestioned by nancy, and not really defended. If any slot fits the definition of what you have said, it would be mine, yet I know I'm town. I feel your experience should not be discarded so your logic may hold merit. But I feel you are most likely barking up the wrong tree.
The most suspicious aspects of Mathblade can be summed up as the following:- Their response to your accusation
- Them being incredibly friendly/buddy-buddy with players (rather than paranoid)
- Them not looking even remotely suspicious until the response to your accusation
If Mathblade is scum, then I feel it would not be for the reasons you are using. Can you give me a different angle? Because Mathblade being scum is something I need to figure out if it's possible, here and now.
Wait says I this is a bad vote, no matter how Math floats,
Wait says I this is a bad vote, no matter how Math floats.
Regardless of Mathblade's alignment this vote absolutely sucks. We're nowhere near being ready to end the day, and even if we were, this is a vote which is opportunistic-if-Math-town and towncred-zone-if-Math-scum. It particularly sucks because of something I've already quoted in this very post: what happened to 1481 in which Drixx called the scumteam Gamma-lime? Now he's voting with Gamma on Mathblade and dropping his push on me?And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1511, Ginngie wrote:
whereIn post 1510, lime in da coconut wrote:I disagree on a fundamental level. Robbvna was questioned by nancy,In post 23, nancy wrote:@robbnva I'm not really sure why you're reading Persephone's vote as non-RVS? Unless I'm misreading you here saying "we must have blood" seems pretty obviously a joke to me and you seem to have missed that entirely; is there some reason why you expect that kind of reasoning to be serious? I can see how you might read her as backtracking there if you did take her initial vote on you for not posting seriously but you don't seem to have brought that up; don't really get why you reiterate yourself in 16 without taking into account that she's said it was an RVS vote or why her not making sense is your main sticking point here if she is out of RVS.In post 26, nancy wrote:
Pretty sure the difference is that reasons are jokes; I agree with you that if her vote was serious then she should probably clarify that, but the whole point of RVS is to randomly vote someone for something that isn't alignment indicative as if it is; whether or not the vote has to do with GRC doesn't seem particularly relevant.In post 24, Robbnva wrote:You do realize the R in rvs means random right? He voted me for a game related reasons so asking him to explain himself and make sense is appropriate.In post 28, nancy wrote:(I'd ask why that vote but I'd honestly rather wait for Robbnva.)In post 82, nancy wrote:
Why are you scumreading Persephone, basically. Don't really get the sense that you've been trying to sort her here and I feel like you should be a little more concerned with parsing her behavior beyond just saying that she doesn't make sense; it's only page 1 but if you think that she should have a legitimate reason for RVS voting you I think that it's pretty reasonable that you should also probably have a reason for your read; I haven't seen any.In post 30, Robbnva wrote:@nancy - I don't have anything to add atm so I am confused as to why you are waiting for me.In post 345, nancy wrote:@Robbnva I don't think Assembler is scumreading you for having a different definition of RVS; I could understand where you were coming from with your push on Persephone for the most part even if I didn't really agree with it; don't think that it's unreasonable to see that as you pushing for a lynch off pretty much nothing when your read on Persephone at that point seemed to be based on a misunderstanding of her content. Maybe you don't think that's the case but even if Persephone was justifying herself after the fact and behaving a little awkward overall I'm not sure why that means she should just be lynched; I agree that RVS reads are legitimate and Persephone was legitimately scummy but I don't think that your approach there has been particularly reasonable overall; I don't think that her OMGUS was scummy in any special way; I disagree that she hadn't been attempting to scumhunt or sort people - I think she was pretty clearly doing so? I'm a little worried you haven't really reevaluated on the replacement and I don't strongly get the sense that you really intended to in any meaningful way - 220 felt pretty genuine but you seem to have abanonded that take pretty summarily. Tchill isn't OMGUSing you - how does that affect your read there? Why are you scumreading massive?In post 408, nancy wrote:@Robbnva wasn't saying you'd said Tchill was OMGUSing you; was commenting on the fact that part of your reasoning for scumreading Eddie's slot is that Persephone was OMGUSing you; Tchill isn't - mainly curious how this factors into your read there. Could you go over what about massive's reasoning for his votes you think are terrible? I'd have to go back over massive's ISO to be honest to give any kind of a real take on your reasoning in 120; not going to happen when I'm half-fainting from this migraine; not sure I agree that there's no town motivation in massive's post - probably something to come back to a little later down the line; maybe premature but I think massive has already displayed the kind of depth of reasoning and drive to solve here that I think is out of his range as scum even if he only has 18 posts so far.In post 1179, nancy wrote:@MathI don't understand how you're reading that post is stalling out conversation at all; don't really understand why you're reading that post in particular as too wordy either; think I've been pretty wordy this game but I don't think that post is offensive in that way at all; not entirely sure what about that you actually dislike - I'm sorry if you think that I'm not saying anything very useful. If you think I could be wording things in a better way / more concisely then I'd be welcome to hear how you'd write it differently, am always working to tighten up my game and pretty receptive to anything that I could potentially improve on, think that right now I probably have the tendency to be a little more verbose than I need to be because I'm still figuring out exactly what feels most important to me to get across or what I feel needs to be said / what I can basically just trim as fat with the way that I'm playing now.
Don't understand how you're saying that I should have a read on you in two posts just because that's what happened in GiF's game, especially considering that's not how it was in Night & Day; feel like you should be aware that I don't trust my tonal read on you nearly as much after that game and I feel like we've already had this conversation there too; don't understand why you're bringing it up again; I don't claim to have a soulread on you and never have and it's upsetting to me when people tell me I should be able read them in a certain way when I think that's an unrealistic expectation. I know you think I'm a confident Annabelle but none of what you see there is real of my experience; I'm not a confident person, I never have been and I basically dislike the characterization because it's a misunderstanding; part of me changing my meta is so that I can try to express that and other aspects of myself that people don't seem to ever get. Why are Titus/Ginngie scum?
(Not a question but I really don't think nancy says ^that^ to a scumbuddy.)In post 1197, nancy wrote:Math honey I wasn't trying to tug your heartstrings, don't know why you're reading it that way.In post 1271, nancy wrote:Math how much of the game have you read?In post 1275, nancy wrote:Disastrous results?In post 1291, nancy wrote:Math I don't understand why it's a shame you had to compromise yesterday when you wanted to lynch monkey? Why is Vedith town?In post 1293, nancy wrote:Math I'm trying to understand you. If you want to scumread me that's fine but can you please at least try and put that aside when you engage with me? I didn't get the sense you were compromising on your read on me given that you townread me after I responded to you + you realized you had misunderstood me; don't really understand why that changed.In post 1296, nancy wrote:Math I voted Titus because it was the only viable wagon that I thought had a chance of flipping scum; I don't understand why you think that I manipulated you. Gamma isn't back yet.Put the quotes in the game thread, and you read every one,
Put the quotes in the game thread, and you read every one.
nancy had plenty of questioning of Robbnva. It admittedly drops to a low in the midpoint of her iso, but picks back up when Mathblade comes in. The entire time, her questions towards Mathblade do not read as a scum-scum interaction. Instead, they read as her attempting to get a town player off of her back.
Read everything I have quoted. Not all of it is questioning I will admit that. But can you tell menoneof it is with a straight face? I will outright call you a liar if so. If you want to call her questions towards Robb/Mathblade indicative of them being scumbuddies, then you must reframe your argument and show that to me because I don't see it.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1541, Drixx wrote:So what makes anyone think I'm scum?In post 1464, lime in da coconut wrote:It should be obvious enough given my stance we had only one weaker PR remaining I was claiming to not hold one.In post 1451, Drixx wrote:I think we basically got super lucky, because the primary reason that nancy was lynched was because of setup spec, and we know from Massive's flip that there is more PRs (he flipped Backup Vanilla_Cop when humaneatingmonkey was a Cop with the novice modifier. I'm pretty sure this means that Massive was not even a PR yet, but instead was backup to a Vanilla Cop who hasn't yet flipped. Good play on his part drawing fire in that case. There's also the fact that I know for sure of at least one other town PR.You would think so! But actually you're wrong.
You would think so! Yet before I've seen this cop.
You would think so! But actually you're wrong.
You would think so! Yet before I've seen this cop.
Actually, this isn't the case. You would think so, but I know from experience in Normals this is not the case. I would have to track down which completed Normal games demonstrate my point, but I have personally witnessed almost this exact combination before: a weaker backup to a stronger role. (Or a stronger backup to a weaker role, I don't quite remember which.) The backup vanilla cop is classified as a COP, thus is a backup to a COP, even though it is a vanilla cop.
You may personally find it weird, yet the key part of the role is not vanilla/novice, but rather, both being Cops. (The key is not to think how you personally would file the roles but to look at how the NRG files the roles. And I am telling you that a backup vanilla cop can become active upon the death of a cop by NRG logic.) As a result, I find it quite curious you claim to have knowledge of an additional PR. Do share, because I'm quite positive we do not have one.In post 1469, lime in da coconut wrote:In post 1252, nancy wrote:I targeted Tchill.In post 1378, lime in da coconut wrote:In post 1343, massive wrote:So let's see, so far we have a flipped jailkeeper, a flipped vigilante, a flipped cop. When I said "role madness" was when Ginngie was also claiming a PR. At what point do you NOT go "this is role madness"? Lucky for you we're lynching nancy today.
VOTE: NancyI say hold on! You are acting with some haste.
I say hold on! Lynching nancy is a waste.
I say hold on! You are acting with some haste.
I say hold on! Lynching nancy is a waste.
I may be playing under a gimmicky alt but I am quite familiar with the balance standards of normal games. We have a Jailkeeper, a Vig, and a Novice Cop. Were the cop ungated, I'd buy that against an all-goon scumteam as balanced. However, the copwasgated, even if only loosely so. As a result, I would fully expect exactly one extra town power role in the game (and maybe a weak scum PR). If nancy is said extra, then she is town.In post 1395, lime in da coconut wrote:In post 1386, massive wrote:
I believe that nancy isn't a TOWN PR.In post 1382, Grendel wrote:I have another question, do you believe that nancy isn't really a pr?I say I do! Thus I cannot follow that.
I say I do! Her as town fits all my facts.
I say I do! Thus I cannot follow that.
I say I do! Her as town fits all my facts.
Unless I get an explicit roleclaim from a player, I trust her to be town. Do you disagree with my belief that the town can and should have four (not three) roles this game?
What I'm saying is, prior to this exchange it was assumed nancy was a town PR (because the game should have 4 roles with the last surviving one being weaker) and thus we shouldn't force her to claim details. massive agreed with the theory of the game having 4 roles with the last surviving one being weaker...and counterclaimed town PR, giving specifics as him being a backup to a dead role.In post 1396, massive wrote:I do agree with your belief. Which is why I don't believe nancy is town. And I'm going to end up effectively counterclaiming her anyways no matter what she says. So here's me: I'm a backup to one of the dead roles. I guess I'll expect your vote on nancy in your next post?
In post 1467, Gamma Emerald wrote:As for what Drixx said I think it's more of a speculative conclusion that there's a vanilla cop, which I'm not so sure of.Not what I've taken issue of, it's more the followup,
Not what I've taken issue of, it's more the followup.
Drixx was indeed speculating (incorrectly) to the presence of a vanilla cop. That is not what I took issue with. What I took issue with is what he said after that:
Drixx is NOT referring to the Vanilla Cop with this sentence. He is referring to "knowing" the presence and/or identity (it is admittedly ambiguous which) of "at least" one other 'town' PR. This is not a generic "WE know". It's HE knows. And thus, I am demanding an answer.In post 1451, Drixx wrote:There's also the fact that I know for sure of at least one other town PR.
In post 1467, Gamma Emerald wrote:And no, backup vanilla cop doesn't become active on regular cop death, deputy does.The two are not mutually exclusive. A deputy (also calledbackup cop) does in fact become a cop upon the death of a cop. Abackupvanillacophowever is abackup copwith (in a sense) the vanilla-investigation "modifier". As a result, upon the death of a normal cop, a backup vanilla cop is activated without the need for a vanilla cop. Regardless of whether you agree with that logic, it is the logic the NRG operates under.In post 1510, lime in da coconut wrote:In post 1481, Drixx wrote:Lime in da coconut wins the award for rolefishing as a reaction to me claiming to know of another PR. No town aligned player should want me to reveal such information, except in conditions where doing so would solve the game. And I certainly didn't say or imply that.This is my point that I did make, attention should be paid,
This is my point that I did make, attention should be paid.
Exactly my point. You apparently didn't read my exchange with Gamma Emerald because my stance should be abundantly clear. This is not the theme games you're more accustomed to playing, Drixx. This is a mini normal. There are rules and guidelines dictating matters such as balance. We had a cop, a vig, and a jailkeeper (with only the slightest of gates on the cop). This is about the strongest role combination possible in a mini normal. We had one additional role in the form of massive's backup vanilla cop.
Ergo, all remaining town players are vanilla townies. Ergo, any power role claim would be scum. Ergo, revealing information about a "town" power role outs a scum player. Ergo, doing so WOULD solve the game. That's precisely the point I was making which you so conveniently are ignoring. We have no more town power. It's not possible, because there is absolutely no scum power which could possibly balance extra town power given what the town already has.
In post 1481, Drixx wrote:Is this as simple as Gamma Emerald and Lime?Good luck pushing that I went from bussing one partner to bussing the other. Especially if anyone here correctly alt-guesses me.
Wait says I this is a bad vote, no matter how Math floats,
Wait says I this is a bad vote, no matter how Math floats.
Regardless of Mathblade's alignment this vote absolutely sucks. We're nowhere near being ready to end the day, and even if we were, this is a vote which is opportunistic-if-Math-town and towncred-zone-if-Math-scum. It particularly sucks because of something I've already quoted in this very post: what happened to 1481 in which Drixx called the scumteam Gamma-lime? Now he's voting with Gamma on Mathblade and dropping his push on me?That sums up my reasons. You've claimed knowledge of the presence of extra roles when none should exist. You've avoided giving this information in spite of me explaining my stance. You suggested a ridiculous scumteam, then dropped the scumteam altogether to place an L-1 vote on someone who you weren't previously pushing. (You have since explained this but at the time I did not see anything of the sort.) It is not enough to lynch you on, but it is enough where you are a subject of interest. I should also note your response to the votes was also poor, but less relevant.
In post 1526, Ginngie wrote:I actually like the thought of Math/lime scumI do admit! That is not something crazy.
I do admit! Were I scum that team could be.
I do admit! That is not something crazy.
I do admit! Were I scum that team could be.
Admittedly, were I scum that would be a viable scumteam. If you were expecting me to have some sort of evidence to contradict you, I'm sorry to disappoint but I'm fully aware exactly how plausible that combination looks. But let's cross that bridge only if we come to it. Mathblade is lynched and flips scum, I'll happily eat the mislynch. (It's not ideal but two scum dead and first partner suspect lynched allows for a lylo where the survivors can figure out the third.)
In post 1536, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hm
Math go look at nancy's late interactions with Grendel and tell me with a straight face that he's her mafia partner
This is prompted after a quick look at nancy's ISO fueled by my tryhard mode being on. I'm gonna also reISO myself and see what I think of things I found notable earlier.I don't like this posting in here, so methodically,
I don't like this posting in here, so methodically.
I swear I won't forgive myself if Gamma is scum and gets away with posting like this. It feels so wrong. I'm not even sure Gamma is scum anymore, but if he isn't he sure knows how to act like one.
I realize I spearheaded a Drixx push, but nothing kills my interest in wagoning there faster than my primary and secondary suspects voting the wagon. Drixx is right:
The votes on him were opportunistic.In post 1550, Drixx wrote:Looks like the blank votes on me are opportunism.
In post 1550, Drixx wrote:How about wesnatch defeat from the jaws of victory this game by doing stupid shit like ignoring the really obvious?NOTActually! That's not how I'd call the game.
Actually! Our town has been pretty lame.
Actually! That's not how I'd call the game.
Actually! Our town has been pretty lame.
Honestly I'd say you have it backwards. Given the consecutive no-lynches (only lynching Titus through mod error) and roleclaims of our three strongest roles D1, a town win would be snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. I replaced in wanting to draw scum because I knew if I drew town I'd be likely to lose, but since I did draw town I agree with what you're conveying, that we need to be careful in order to win.
In post 1545, MathBlade wrote:@Lime odds of scum lurking trying to tear people apart?Could be I do agree with you, but the question is who,
Could be I do agree with you, but the question is who.
It's possible, but it wouldn't be Grendel most likely. The player I'd call most guilty of lurking is PenguinPower. After that, it depends on your definition of lurking. If your definition includes "posting but doing nothing with their posting", I would say it's a tie between Gamma Emerald and Drixx.
Currently playing around with scumteams.
I shouldn't write Grendel off yet but I find myself not really seeing him as scum for some reason. I'll need to consult my notes again.
Of those remaining, we have:
Mathblade/PenguinPower (no)
Mathblade/Drixx (I'm not sure what to think yet)
Mathblade/Gamma Emerald (nigh impossible)
PenguinPower/Drixx (possible)
PenguinPower/Gamma Emerald (has been the team most consistently fitting)
Drixx/Gamma Emerald (I'm not sure what to think yet)
I'd be most inclined to vote PenguinPower. I would vote any of Gamma Emerald/Drixx/Mathblade as a compromise.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1603, MathBlade wrote:
Oh you mean except the game that actually matters because he was a replacement there and a replacement here.In post 1602, Gamma Emerald wrote:I guess other than Railgun btw since he entered late iircI am concerned! These are my thoughts exactly.
I am concerned! That of all Mathblade did preach.
I am concerned! These are my thoughts exactly.
I am concerned! That of all Mathblade did preach.
I am rather alarmed by Mathblade's competency. I am used to a town-Mathblade being largely unreasonable, and a scum-Mathblade displaying this level of accuracy. However, the Mathblade I am seeing here is dead on the money with this point. Had they not made the comment,would have.I
In post 1585, PenguinPower wrote:
You did? Where was your vote on the wagon? First, second, not at all?In post 1581, lime in da coconut wrote:I realize I spearheaded a Drixx push, but nothing kills my interest in wagoning there faster than my primary and secondary suspects voting the wagon. Drixx is right:You can spearhead a push while off, it requires voting not,
You can spearhead a push while off, it requires voting not.
Voting =/= pushing; pushing =/= voting. Most votes are pushes; most pushes have votes. But the two are not synonymous. I spearheaded a Drixx push, while holding off from voting him. (Admittedly I normally would be voting by now but I am treating today as if lylo when it comes to my vote. I have good reason to be cautious, because a mislynch is likely to cost the town the game and my vote would further the risk of that as I am not nearly confident enough in anything I have.)
In post 1589, Grendel wrote:-Did Korts ever become a real wagon this game? I didn't see anything in the VCs but I am pretty sure he got wagoned up a few times right?Not even once! Until it was Drixx of course.
Not even once! Nobody thought to push Korts.
Not even once! Until it was Drixx of course.
Not even once! Nobody thought to push Korts.
From memory, the first time the wagon garnered votes was when it already belonged to Drixx. Prior to that, I'd have to double-check to confirm but I actually don't think Korts received so much as a single vote, yet alone a full wagon.
I am not Dark Horse so I can't answer for all of Grendel's griefs with the slot. I can however provide some possible insight.In post 1608, Grendel wrote:I don’t recalled Vecna doing anything that would shift a light town read to scum with no hesitation.I do. It's called "It's Vecna". Vecna is the sort of player everyone is inclined to naturally scumread. I'd honestly find it more suspicious if someone maintained a townread on the slot after he came in. Having played with him, can you honestly tell me this is an inaccurate assessment of Vecna? Ignore hindsight bias and think to what you thought at the time, witnessing Vecna's antics. Calling Vecna town is by far more suspicious than thinking he could be scum.In post 1608, Grendel wrote:Considering that 2/3players on that triangle have flipped town, and the low likelyhood of DrixxxLime, I think this is increases them to a mutally exclusive relationship material. Its also odd that Vecna, the one who thought of the triangle, was among Dark Horse’s scum reads. That implies that Dark Horse may not be paying mind to the one he was professing to scum read.Spoiler:Are you familiar with the concept of "one of/in three"? It is the idea that scum have a natural tendency to list a scumbuddy in a list of three names (usually scumreads but sometimes also extended to townreads). Vecna's triangle can essentially be thought of as making the callout "one of these three is scum and the other two are town". Dark Horse can easily agree with this while still finding Vecna a possible scum candidate, as bussing/distancing in the form of a one-in-three method is an incredibly common tactic. Furthermore, Dark Horse could be the type of player similar to me. (I wouldn't know for sure.)
Were that the case, then there is nothing guaranteeing the viewpoint of "one of these is scum" is accurate. In short, if Dark Horse has a natural tendency to doubt his scumreads, then it'd be fully possible he thought it was possible he could be wrong on the triangle-scum and that Vecna would be scum pushing three town players. Also possible? Vecna being town (and thus the scumread there being wrong), with the triangle-scum theory being right.
In other words, Dark Horse may have thought someone in the triangle was likely scum, andseparatelythought Vecna was possible scum, and that there were multiple ways this could resolve. (Vecna bussing/distancing, Vecna town with the triangle containing scum, Vecna scum with the triangle as all town.) I would hold a position much the same (in fact this is essentially my current dilemma); the only difference in how I would handle it is I would explicitly vocalize my inability to be decisive.In post 1608, Grendel wrote:Dark horse often mirrored my thoughts and opinions throughout the game. While he had gone under the radar for quite awhile my recent paranoia of the slot has been reaffirmed with my review. Dark Horse looked very much like he saw I was moving in the wrong direction, and helped keep my momentum going. With the added bonas of linking his slot to mine, of course.Food for thought: do you realize this same argument works in reverse? That I could just as easily argue you mirrored my slot throughout the game, while being under the radar, seeing my slot heading the wrong direction and encouraging it knowing it would link our slots?
Can you say that is not a possible viewpoint without using your own role PM as evidence? As in, can you point to any in-thread evidence which would demonstrate this couldn't be a possible perspective? Of course you know it's wrong, because you know you're town. Of course you know that it's not true. But you can't give any evidence, can you?
...My point exactly. I can't give any evidence outside of knowing Dark Horse was town. What prevents this from simply being two town players having seen the same thing? You mention:
...But I don't recall seeing much in the way of you reaching out to Dark Horse. Not a single "In post 1608, Grendel wrote:Its not impossible that we meshed really well. But the entirelty of the game there was no attempt to reach out to me preersonally, or anything like that.@Dark Horse:" in your iso. You never reached out to him personally. So again, tell me why. Tell me why he is scum, when you did exactly the same thing and you are town.In post 1608, Grendel wrote:This looks a like a pt slip in retrospect. In the first one he was talking to his buddies. Then he comes into the main thread to answer Gingie. This would be in a world where Dark Horse is scum power role.This never works as an explanation for multiple reasons. For starters, scum already know who a scum-Dark Horse would have targeted. They would have bolded actions in the PT. Thus, they would already be quite aware Dark Horse hadn't targeted Tchill. There's also the requirement for my slot to have been a scum PR. Though I admit that there likely is a scum PR, it is going to be one PR only, and one weaker one at that.And you drink it all up.-
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To elaborate,
The current dilemma is in finding some players individually suspicious (Mathblade and Drixx mostly), yet also finding they raise good points. Iso me for the times I call out Drixx as suspicious yet agree with him, and the numerous times I call Mathblade's rationality something which freaks me out. I don't have an answer to my own triangle dilemma as it were.In post 1614, lime in da coconut wrote:I would hold a position much the same (in fact this is essentially my current dilemma); the only difference in how I would handle it is I would explicitly vocalize my inability to be decisive.
Pray tell, what scum power role would target the nightkill Tchill? Rolecop? Tchill had already claimed and the scum were nightkilling him anyway. Roleblocker? We already know from seeing Tchill's kill go through that is not the case. Tracker? Why track the vig when the scum know who the vig killed by virtue of knowing who THEY killed? (The vig killed whoever the scum did not.)In post 1614, lime in da coconut wrote:There's also the requirement for my slot to have been a scum PR. Though I admit that there likely is a scum PR, it is going to be one PR only, and one weaker one at that.
Strongman? We already know by virtue of nancy claiming to visit the kill that nancy was the one who made the kill (she would not have claimed the visit if she did not visit), thus, scum either don't have one or already used it up. Ninja? Exactly the same thing, nancy the goon made the nightkill and thus scum cannot have a ninja they haven't used. Watcher? If the scum had a watcher, they would have known Ginngie's claim was bullshitting because scum having an exact duplicate of a town role is something nigh-impossible in Normals.
There aren't many plausible roles scum could have which they would actually use on Tchill in the first place. So Dark Horse would have no need to say he didn't target Tchill to his scumbuddies because there's no scum role he could be where he would have ever done so in the first place. While I believe the scum have a PR, I believe that PR to be either useless or gated. (Possibly both but unlikely.) If not from the onset, then after all the town's roles have claimed and were killed early. Any role the scum have is a role they either can't use or have no use for at this point.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1610, Grendel wrote:---Why is Lime town reading me?Honestly I don't like saying gut, but it's no matter what,
Honestly I don't like saying gut, but it's no matter what.
I really, really, really hate the idea of calling a read gut. I prefer there to be a rational explanation for why I am pushing what I am. I could maybe say a combination of vague familiarity with your play (halfhearted meta) with my mental compilation of notes, but honestly I wanted the time to explore the read and I don't have it. I think you are town, and I want to figure outwhyI think you are town, but all I have at the moment is best guesses for why I'm so inclined to write you off as town.
In post 1610, Grendel wrote:So a Goon/mostly Goon team makes this post town like, whereas the remaining two scum bieng power roles makes Lime’s post here scumy.I say watch roles! They tell you what is balanced.
I say watch roles! They give me my best defense.
I say watch roles! They tell you what is balanced.
I say watch roles! They give me my best defense.
Okay, here's a thought. What POSSIBLE world is there where our flipped power roles are balanced against a two-scum-PR team? Vigilante is strong, Novice Cop is strong, and Jailkeeper are strong, but they have zero synergy. The Jailkeeper prevents the cop from getting results; the Jailkeeper has two ways of stopping the Vigilante from successfully killing. The backup vanilla cop is a role which can only get a guilty on scum lying about being a PR (if a goon) or about being a VT (if a PR), and it requires the cop to die first.
A scumteam against that level of powerdoesneed a power role: one. One weaker role, usually in the form of a gated role. If you give the scumteam a second power role, the game goes from being balanced to being ridiculously scumsided because there is no way a town can possibly triumph over two scum PRs with this combination, especially since TWO scum power roles would be dangerously close to providing the scumteam a counter to every town power role.
I can tell you with my intimate level of Normal Game experience, reviewers will never let fly a scumteam having a counter to every town power,
or anything even remotely close to resembling such. Youcouldhave a point if there were another claimed PR (which I would promptly try to lynch even if it were Ginngie at this stage honestly), but since nobody is willing to come forward and roleclaim in spite of this being the day before lylo...it is a fairly safe assumption the town does not hold any extra power. No extra town power, no extra scum power is even remotely possible.
In post 1610, Grendel wrote:Lime also mentions being an alt of an anti-bus player. Which strengthens their ties to nancy.I honestly don't have a defense against this point because I am fully aware of how bad it looks. Icouldgive one if I compromised my anonymity, but the closest I can give while preserving it: this is something I would never normally admit, but nancy is a player who I give a *whatever the female equivalent of a bropass is called (sispass?)* to. I typically don't put much effort into sorting her alignment unless I absolutely have to. I put some in because by playing on this alt I have no justification for not doing so (plus there was a need for it), but she is not someone I enjoy needing to sort since I'd rather just call her town regardless of her alignment.
In post 1610, Grendel wrote:The thing is that a while back I asked for why the ++++++/------- posts were... what they were. For instance an explanation to why they left the strong impression that they did. Lime wasn't able to answer me on the "why".Don't give me that shit. I told you I didn't understand. I told you to reframe the question in a way I would understand. You never did. That's on YOU, not me. I also said explicitly I was expecting players to compare the two and ask for discrepancies between them: posts being marked in one which aren't marked in another; posts being marked with different levels of strength; posts being marked as positive (scum-indicative) one time through which were marked as negative (town-indicative) the second time through. You didn't do so and have continued to not do so.
My logic exists. But if you give me this generalization crap of course I'm not going to answer. I already told you to give me specifics. You haven't.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1621, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't know. For some reason I just struggle. Maybe I just get lazy, knowing you can read me.This is honestly one of the first things Gamma has said which I townread but if you asked me for a justification it would be "gut". At the very least, he's much lower on my lynch totem pole right now.
In post 1620, Ginngie wrote:did we mass claim yet?No, which I take great issue with, not doing it is shit,
No, which I take great issue with, not doing it is shit.
We have not massclaimed even though by all rights weshouldhave. It is absolutely the correct play to have made at this point, and yet for some reason the massclaim fell apart. We started, yet never finished.
In post 1616, PenguinPower wrote:A push without a vote is a wiggle room creator. At the very best, it's a weak push. It's not anywhere close to "spearheading."In post 1615, PenguinPower wrote:
No. At the very least, I'm not casing anyone until I've decided where I want to go.In post 1611, Grendel wrote:I asked you to case out your Math/Drixx read. Did you miss that?I say bullshit! This is making an excuse.
I say bullshit! You are looking just to cruise.
I say bullshit! This is making an excuse.
I say bullshit! You are looking just to cruise.
No need for out-of-character text here; the song says it all. PenguinPower is making an excuse to cruise by without actually providing hard content. He is testing the waters first for the greatest opportunity. Ironically enough the post I also include demonstrates this even better. He is making excuses for not pushing players.
VOTE: PenguinPower.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1624, PenguinPower wrote:Um...ok. You haven't played with me either then.Not denying! That is indeed a true fact.
Not denying! I apologize for that.
Not denying! That is indeed a true fact.
Not denying! I apologize for that.
If I ever implied I had meta on you, I apologize. It's quite correct; I hold none. However, I will call the shots as I see them. And as I see things, you are not giving content at a time where content is at its most vital time of need.
In post 1625, PenguinPower wrote:Or are scum looking for a good mislynch. There's that too.Such a lie was so badly done, now you will test your luck,
Such a lie was so badly done, now you will test your luck.
That this was clearly an afterthought shows how ridiculously scum PenguinPower's position was. His first thought was of defending himself. The thought of calling me possible scum never even occurred to him until after he had hit submit. (The two posts have the same minute timestamp, therefore he thought of it immediately after posting.) This reeks of him realizing he had made a mistake, and trying to hastily fix it.
In post 1651, Gamma Emerald wrote:I've been thinking on why this thought from you disturbs me so much and this thought bubbled up: it kinda seems like you are trying to work up a narrative of how things are happening. I've never seen you state this and work with it before so it's either a fairly recent revelation to you which is strange or it's something you're whipping out for some reason right here, which would most likely be to make points you make sound more credible.As much as I'll kick myself for backing out of a Gamma Emerald scumread if he is indeed scum, this post is enough where I am quite comfortable calling him town at this stage. My list looks something like town>Ginngie>Grendel>Gamma>Drixx/Math>PenguinPower. An issue I'm having which makes me feel one of the G-trio-townreads would be wrong however is that I'm finding it difficult to see any realistic scumteam which is a combination of the bottom three. The closest is possibly Drixx-PenguinPower yet I'm incredibly unsure of this.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1660, PenguinPower wrote:Or stream of consciousness posting. Did you forget that is a thing?One, I am skeptical of your claim it's stream-of-consciousness in the first place.
Two, even if I take it at face value, the question then becomes why you were first focused on shooting down the idea of you being scum rather than focusing on the possibility of me being scum.
Three, if it were stream of consciousness, why no followthrough on the "you could be scum" idea.
Four, stream of consciousness does not a town post make.
In post 1661, PenguinPower wrote:
I'll lynch Drixx if you will.In post 1659, lime in da coconut wrote:The closest is possibly Drixx-PenguinPower yet I'm incredibly unsure of this.In post 1642, PenguinPower wrote:
Bussing is my scum meta.In post 1638, MathBlade wrote:However PP is not following his Town meta and it feels like he is being forced to decide between bussing or me.
In post 1662, Gamma Emerald wrote:Lime, question, what is your opinion on a PP + Math scumteam?In post 1663, PenguinPower wrote:Do you read at all, Gamma?In post 1475, lime in da coconut wrote:My apologies. I wanted to reread the whole game thread tonight but I could only manage a third of it.Spoiler: Second ReadthroughMost important/consistent takeaways:I will never be considering a.PenguinPower/Mathblade scumteamAnd you drink it all up.-
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In post 1666, PenguinPower wrote:Then vote Drixx with me?In post 1659, lime in da coconut wrote:My list looks something like town>Ginngie>Grendel>Gamma>Drixx/Math>PenguinPower. An issue I'm having which makes me feel one of the G-trio-townreads would be wrong however is thatI'm finding it difficult to see any realistic scumteam which is a combination of the bottom three. The closest is possibly Drixx-PenguinPower yet I'm incredibly unsure of this.In post 1666, PenguinPower wrote:Honestly, the slot needs replacement because it's hard to get any type of interaction with other slots right now.
I think math/drixx...could be lime/drixx.These two I say don't mesh well, this is a quite hard sell,
These two I say don't mesh well, this is a quite hard sell.
The statements of the Drixx slot requiring replacement and the Drixx-scum-regardless don't go well together. You are suggesting a replacement of a slot, and implying the logic justifying such is a need for Drixx to have meaningful interaction with other slots. This idea conflicts with your suggestion that he is scum regardless of who his partner is.
Frivolous secondary gripe: I am also bothered by the ordering in which you list the names. In my experience, usually a town player when listing the same player as scum in every combination will place them first, yet you placed Drixx second. (This has root in psychology; the first is what you emphasize; the second is what is deemphasized. By listing Drixx second, you deemphasize him.) This is probably a silly, ridiculous thing to bring forth but it's bothering me regardless.
I say hold on! I object to those two names.
I say hold on! Let's not narrow with such haste.
I say hold on! I object to those two names.
I say hold on! Let's not narrow with such haste.
I'm not comfortable making that call yet. I recognize they both have strong elements suggesting they are scum. I even realize it is not impossible for them to be partnered together as a scumteam. However, something about the gamestate feels wrong to me. It doesn't look right at all. I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. When I feel this way, it is almost always correct and the answer is usually that a major assumption of mine is wrong.
Possible major assumptions which could be wrong include (but are not limited to): Ginngie-town, Grendel-town, Math-PenguinPower impossible as a scumteam, PenguinPower-scum. I'm still searching forwhich(it could be any of those, it could be a different one not listed), and I feel lynching before I have an answer would be both disastrous and wrong, leading to a mislynch and placing us in lylo.
Ginngie I know you are quite aware there is a difference between being paranoid and being properly doubtful. If the facts fit the assumptions, it's paranoia (or delusion) to think otherwise. The facts we have are not giving any clear narrative. So I've every reason to be doubtful right now. I need time to carefully consider which of my assumptions could be wrong. There is not a single mislynch we could make today that will tell us the scumteam tomorrow. Nor is there realistically a scum lynch which unambiguously gives us the final scum. (Although this does make our job far easier.) Before I commit to a lynch on either Mathblade/Drixx, this needs to be resolved.
In post 1669, PenguinPower wrote:
I wasn't seriously looking at you as scum at that point given I was focused elsewhere, and I know I'm not scum.In post 1665, lime in da coconut wrote:Two, even if I take it at face value, the question then becomes why you were first focused on shooting down the idea of you being scum rather than focusing on the possibility of me being scum.This is my beef with what you said, and it makes you look red,
This is my beef with what you said, and it makes you look red.
Therein lies the problem. Were you town, you'd know you were town. Why the need to, first and foremost, prove it to others, and only later consider looking for scum? That's backwards of what town knowing they're town should do. Being confident in being town, your first focus should be on who is scum.
Even if I accept you would defend yourself first, my true issue is the lack of follow-through. The whole POINT of a stream-of-consciousness style is to demonstrate an evolution of thought and show how your thoughts are progressing. You went from defending yourself to suggesting I could be scum to...
...Not doing anything. Your thoughts halted. They ceased to progress. There was no transition from "you could be scum" to anything after that. Not "or maybe not", not "or maybe it's this team instead", no evidence you looked into it further. You left it there, dropping it altogether. That's what scum do. They lack followthrough.And you drink it all up.-
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I noticed PenguinPower ignored this:In post 1672, lime in da coconut wrote:In post 1669, PenguinPower wrote:
I wasn't seriously looking at you as scum at that point given I was focused elsewhere, and I know I'm not scum.In post 1665, lime in da coconut wrote:Two, even if I take it at face value, the question then becomes why you were first focused on shooting down the idea of you being scum rather than focusing on the possibility of me being scum.This is my beef with what you said, and it makes you look red,
This is my beef with what you said, and it makes you look red.
Therein lies the problem. Were you town, you'd know you were town. Why the need to, first and foremost, prove it to others, and only later consider looking for scum? That's backwards of what town knowing they're town should do. Being confident in being town, your first focus should be on who is scum.
Even if I accept you would defend yourself first, my true issue is the lack of follow-through. The whole POINT of a stream-of-consciousness style is to demonstrate an evolution of thought and show how your thoughts are progressing. You went from defending yourself to suggesting I could be scum to...
...Not doing anything. Your thoughts halted. They ceased to progress. There was no transition from "you could be scum" to anything after that. Not "or maybe not", not "or maybe it's this team instead", no evidence you looked into it further. You left it there, dropping it altogether. That's what scum do. They lack followthrough.In post 1673, PenguinPower wrote:Lots of words for little content.
In post 1673, PenguinPower wrote:Vote Drixx, I will. I don't think you will.In post 1672, lime in da coconut wrote:In post 1659, lime in da coconut wrote:My list looks something like town>Ginngie>Grendel>Gamma>Drixx/Math>PenguinPower. An issue I'm having which makes me feel one of the G-trio-townreads would be wrong however is thatI'm finding it difficult to see any realistic scumteam which is a combination of the bottom three. The closest is possibly Drixx-PenguinPower yet I'm incredibly unsure of this.I say hold on! I object to those two names.
I say hold on! Let's not narrow with such haste.
I say hold on! I object to those two names.
I say hold on! Let's not narrow with such haste.
I'm not comfortable making that call yet. I recognize they both have strong elements suggesting they are scum. I even realize it is not impossible for them to be partnered together as a scumteam. However, something about the gamestate feels wrong to me. It doesn't look right at all. I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. When I feel this way, it is almost always correct and the answer is usually that a major assumption of mine is wrong.
Possible major assumptions which could be wrong include (but are not limited to): Ginngie-town, Grendel-town, Math-PenguinPower impossible as a scumteam, PenguinPower-scum. I'm still searching forwhich(it could be any of those, it could be a different one not listed), and I feel lynching before I have an answer would be both disastrous and wrong, leading to a mislynch and placing us in lylo.
Ginngie I know you are quite aware there is a difference between being paranoid and being properly doubtful. If the facts fit the assumptions, it's paranoia (or delusion) to think otherwise. The facts we have are not giving any clear narrative. So I've every reason to be doubtful right now. I need time to carefully consider which of my assumptions could be wrong. There is not a single mislynch we could make today that will tell us the scumteam tomorrow. Nor is there realistically a scum lynch which unambiguously gives us the final scum. (Although this does make our job far easier.) Before I commit to a lynch on either Mathblade/Drixx, this needs to be resolved.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1675, Grendel wrote:Umm yeah, the above posts look like a MathxLime scum team maneuvering in real time to bum rush a Town!Drixx lynch while I'm still trying to make up my mind.What.
No seriously. What are you smoking because you being high is the only explanation I have for you so terribly misreading what I wrote there. Voting Drixx? That'sliterally the exact oppositeof what I am advocating. I am saying NOT to lynch Drixx. Read what I fucking said again. The two who are "bumrushing" Drixx are Ginngie and PenguinPower.And you drink it all up.-
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(Fixing tags.)In post 1677, lime in da coconut wrote:In post 1675, Grendel wrote:Umm yeah, the above posts look like a MathxLime scum team maneuvering in real time to bum rush a Town!Drixx lynch while I'm still trying to make up my mind.What.
No seriously. What are you smoking because you being high is the only explanation I have for you so terribly misreading what I wrote there. Voting Drixx? That'sliterally the exact oppositeof what I am advocating. I am saying NOT to lynch Drixx. Read what I fucking said again. The two who are "bumrushing" Drixx are Ginngie and PenguinPower.
Would you prefer the phrase "deliberately chose to not respond to"? I can use that if the word 'ignoring' so offends you.In post 1676, PenguinPower wrote:I didn't ignore anything.
In post 1676, PenguinPower wrote:I'm pretty fed up with your gimmick.Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and call the doctor woke him up
I said Doctor! Is there nothing I can take
I said Doctor! To relieve this bellyache
I said Doctor! Is there nothing I can take
I said Doctor! To relieve this bellyache
Oh let me get this straight
Oh mister Doctor man I think I'm going insane
My girl's been creepin' on me and my heart is filled with pain
Now I can't sleep, can't eat, can't stop this funky beat
Can't you hear it she keeps playing in my head
Baby You really drive me coconuts
Tell me, what am I gonna do?
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and call the doctor, woke him up
I said doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
I said doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
let me get this straight
My temperature is up to 103
Is there anything you can prescribe for me?
Well the doctor said "Hmmm, now let me see
just keep your body moving that's what works for me"
Baby, you really drive me coconuts
Tell me, what am I gonna do?
You put the lime in the coconut and drink them both together
Put the lime in the coconut and you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em all up
You put the lime in the coconut and call me in the morning
doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
I said doctor, is there nothing I can take
I said doctor, to relieve this bellyache
I can't catch myself, hey doc I'm sick
I'm feelin' all run down, I'm sinking like a brick
I've seen dots in front of my eyes
But you talk about coconuts, and you're feeding me limes?
Different remedies you're giving to me, but nothing's working
Doc, if you don't tend to me I'm gonna be the big bad wolf
And blow your house down
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
Put the lime in the coconut; you're such a silly one
You put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together
Put the lime in the coconut and you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em all down
You put the lime in the coconut and call me in the mornin'
Woooo Woooo
Is there nothing I can take
Wooo Wooo
To relieve this bellyache, I said
Oh Wooo Wooo
Is there nothing I can take I said
Wooo Wooo
To relieve this bellyache I said
Yeah Yeah
Is there nothing I can take I said
Wah Wahh
To relieve this bellyache I said
Doctor! Is there nothing I can take I said
Doctor! To relieve this bellyache
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together
Put the lime in the coconut and then you'll feel better
Put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
You put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
Brother bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime
His sister had another one, she paid it for a lime
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, she called the doctor, woke him up
And said, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take
I say, doctor, to relieve this bellyache?
I say, doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take
I say, doctor, to relieve this bellyache?
Now let me get this straight
You put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
You put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you called your doctor, woke him up
And said, Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take
I said, Doctor, to relieve this bellyache?
I said, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take
I said, Doctor, to relieve this bellyache?
You put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em both together
Put the lime in the coconut, then you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut, drink 'em both up
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the morning
Whoo-whoo-whoo, whoo-ooh-ooh, whoo-ooh-ooh
Whoo-whoo-whoo, whoo-ooh-ooh, whoo-ooh-ooh
Whoo-whoo-whoo, whoo-ooh-ooh, whoo-ooh-ooh
Whoo-whoo-whoo, whoo-ooh-ooh, whoo-ooh-ooh
Brother bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime
His sister had another one, she paid it for a lime
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
And put the lime in the coconut, she called the doctor, woke him up
Said, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take
I said, Doctor, to relieve this bellyache?
I said, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?
I said, Doctor
Now let me get this straight
You put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em both up
Put a lime in the coconut, you drink 'em both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you such a silly woman
Put a lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together
Put the lime in the coconut, then you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut, drink 'em both down
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the morning
Whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo, ain't there nothin' you can take
I say, whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo, to relieve your bellyache
You say, well, whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo, ain't there nothing I can take
I say, whoo-whoo, to relieve your bellyache
You say, yeah, ain't there nothin' I can take
I say, waah waah, to relieve this bellyache
I say, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?
I say, Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take?
I say, Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take?
I say, Doctor
You're such a silly woman
Put the lime in the coconut and drink them both together
Put the lime in the coconut, then you feel better
Put the lime in the coconut, drink 'em both up
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the mo-o-o-o-orning
Yes, you call me in the morning
If you call me in the morning, I'll tell you what to do
If you call me in the morning, I'll tell you what to do
If you call me in the morning, I'll tell you what to do
If you call me in the morning, I'll tell you what to do
Well, if you call me in the morning, I'll tell you what to doAnd you drink it all up.-
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In post 1678, PenguinPower wrote:And who is voting Drixx?In post 1614, lime in da coconut wrote:In post 1585, PenguinPower wrote:
You did? Where was your vote on the wagon? First, second, not at all?In post 1581, lime in da coconut wrote:I realize I spearheaded a Drixx push, but nothing kills my interest in wagoning there faster than my primary and secondary suspects voting the wagon. Drixx is right:You can spearhead a push while off, it requires voting not,
You can spearhead a push while off, it requires voting not.
Voting =/= pushing; pushing =/= voting. Most votes are pushes; most pushes have votes. But the two are not synonymous. I spearheaded a Drixx push, while holding off from voting him. (Admittedly I normally would be voting by now but I am treating today as if lylo when it comes to my vote. I have good reason to be cautious, because a mislynch is likely to cost the town the game and my vote would further the risk of that as I am not nearly confident enough in anything I have.)Still as relevant as ever. Citations for you pushing Drixx:In post 1661, PenguinPower wrote:
I'll lynch Drixx if you will.In post 1659, lime in da coconut wrote:The closest is possibly Drixx-PenguinPower yet I'm incredibly unsure of this.In post 1666, PenguinPower wrote:Then vote Drixx with me? I think math/drixx...could be lime/drixx.
This is pushing for a Drixx lynch even if not voting him.In post 1673, PenguinPower wrote:Lots of words for little content. Vote Drixx, I will. Don't, I won't. I don't think you will. I was actually surprised Math did.And you drink it all up.-
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In post 1687, Grendel wrote:It looked like you and math were provoking Penguin to move over to drixx. As of making my last post I thought that Drixx is at L-1, but I guess he isn't upon checking. It was definitely a sudden gut feel I wanted to point out before presumably Penguin ended the day. Gingie hungers for a flip in general I think.Now read again! You'll understand what I see.
Now read again! Perhaps you get what I mean.
Now read again! You'll understand what I see.
Now read again! Perhaps you get what I mean.
Now reread the content you skimmed/read wrong with the understanding this isn't the case.PenguinPoweris the one trying toprovokeinto voting Drixx. Not the other way around. Again, look at who is saying what. Never once have I said PenguinPower should be voting Drixx. Thrice, PenguinPower has said for me to do so:meIn post 1661, PenguinPower wrote:
I'll lynch Drixx if you will.In post 1659, lime in da coconut wrote:The closest is possibly Drixx-PenguinPower yet I'm incredibly unsure of this.In post 1666, PenguinPower wrote:Then vote Drixx with me? I think math/drixx...could be lime/drixx.
What are these, if NOT an attempt to provoke me into voting Drixx?In post 1673, PenguinPower wrote:Vote Drixx, I will. Don't, I won't. I don't think you will. I was actually surprised Math did.
In post 1688, PenguinPower wrote:
I'm not denying pushing Drixx though - though you were "spearheading it."In post 1686, PenguinPower wrote:There is no push without a vote. I will never waver from that. It's all just words unless there is a vote.You may like to call a misquote, but you lack a Drixx vote,
You may like to call a misquote, but you lack a Drixx vote.
The ultimate irony is you misquoting yourself here as it saves me the effort of tying to contradicting statements together. You specify you can't push without a vote. You specify you are pushing Drixx. You are also rather unambiguously not voting Drixx. You are admitting to pushing Drixx...while holding the stance you can't push without a vote...when you are not in fact voting him.And you drink it all up.-
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I must admit the irony in my 1692, much to my chagrin, is palatable, as I am forced to confess it is possible that very post can be interpreted as me provoking PenguinPower and stating his vote should be on Drixx. However, it would be accurate to statepriorto 1692, I unambiguously had zero posts provoking PenguinPower into voting Drixx. Further, you can argue even 1692 does not qualify, however, if you interpret it as provocation I will not debate further.And you drink it all up.-
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