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i will vote off of varsoon if you agree that as a town we ignore anything he has to say until d3 and if (when) he's not conftown by then we instalynch him
lololololDon't let RC talk you out of lynching them.
They'll say and do anything to wiggle out of being held responsible for wanting to lynch the IC.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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i mean
there's other powers to hit
there's also, like, the option of making it like any other ic where you can ic at any point of your choosing
but DEFINITELY the correct play is to make this uberstrong role that has an IC as well as 5 other roles as only one of your 3 roles because we need to concentrate all the town power in varsoon's hands2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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the role is bs lynch itIn post 1149, MariaR wrote:I was about to call that role bs but I can't die so I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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at worst we're saying that varsoon is the lynch d3 no matter what if he's not conftown. noting that varsoon didn't jump on the opportunity to live to D3, which if he's town and has a "pretty good idea" that one of two roles is gonna conftown him AND gives him essentially immunity from me because if I bring it up and then change my mind it looks really bad, he pushed the agreement even further to lylo because he knows he won't be confirmed on D3 and at least at lylo it's easier to defend himself by saying it's autolose if he gets lynched
This is the same as someone saying that another guy feels threatened because their pants determination is 27 inches long. i'm not threatened, just amused by the claim.RC also keeps acting like all my other abilities that I can roll aren't negative utility because he feels threatened by my role.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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because one night turns into a lot of nights. i've seen it before and i know for a fact the role doesn't exist and he's scum.In post 1158, Not Known 15 wrote:
RC, why don't you unvote? What's the harm with waiting one night for Varsoon when there is someone - MariaR - who is not only "100%" scum to you but also a player that is good in not getting lynched?In post 1157, RadiantCowbells wrote:mlem2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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if we got a massive contingent of the game to agree "okay we will powerlynch varsoon on day 3 if he is not confirmed town at that point" i would consider voting elsewhere. no other reason to vote elsewhere.
but the fact that Varsoon isn't even trying to get that for himself makes it even more certain that he's scum than it already was. he's just trying to take me down with him.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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again: varsoon knows that he's never going to be conftown so the best he can attain is dragging me down with him. if he was going to become conftown at some date or if he expected to be nightkilled either of those guarantee my death.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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or at least, it applied to him before he realized that no one was going to actually let him live to endgame under the pretense that he would eventually be confirmed town
now the best thing his slot is dead in the water and all he can do is all in on taking me down to avoid spewing his partners and bring down town's strongest member2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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knowing that I'm gonna be instalynched if he gets nightkilled or confirmed the best possible outcome for him is town!him getting two nights to confirm himself with his 'pretty good odds'. why isn't that what he wants? because he can't confirm himself. so let's kill him and stop wasting time treating an obvscum slot like it could conceivably be town.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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but you're not tho. You WERE. now you're trying to lynch me. you're not trying to encourage people to go with my "day 3" which if you were 'pretty sure' you knew how to be conftown you would do
you're just trying to do something useful for scum before you go down at this point.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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varsoon: rc is 100% scum!
also varsoon: I'm gonna randomly vote Nico and distract people from the RC wagon because I don't actually want the wagon to go through
RC: ok so varsoon never does that as town, lets lynch him
Varsoon: hey look how protown I am I'm focusing on someone else instead of lynching the strongest scum player in site history when I perceive them as obvscum!
everyone: wow that is really scummy of varsoon
Varsoon: OH OK SO I'LL GO VOTE RC AGAIN
RC: ok so varsoon never does that as town, lets lynch him
Varsoon: BUT IM PRETTY SURE I KNOW HOW TO BECOME IC BEFORE DAY 3
RC: ok lets lynch him and failing that lets agree to policy lynch him on D3 if he's not confirmed
Varsoon: NO DAY 3 ISNT LONG ENOUGH YOU HAVE TO WAIT TIL LYLO SO THAT ITS NOT AS EASY TO JUST LYNCH ME ON PRINCIPLE
RC: no you can die
like we're just wasting our time at this point, he's repeatedly made the scum play every time he's had the opportunity to make a scum play2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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stop encouraging this. so many fucking people have acknowledged that the claim is bullshit and he's not playing like a person with that claim would make.In post 1182, Nibbui wrote:what do you think about both you and Radiant leaving each other throat until day 2 or day 3?
BUT YOU CONTINUE TO TRY TO FIND EXCUSES TO NOT FUCKING LYNCH IT2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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idc you're dead before endgame either way elbirn and I doubt you can actually get my lynch through. i don't think town is actually so fucking bad that it's possible to lynch me this game.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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like damn everyone keeps coming in, acknowledging that varsoon is obvious scum in some aspect of his game this game, and then trying to make excuses to vote somewhere fucking else.
HOW ABOUT LYNCHING THE OBVIOUS FUCKING SCUM INSTEAD OF STALLING AND WATING OUR TIME2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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i don't care. i don't care if people resisting a lynch on someone is obvscum as you are not having fun. you are obviously, transparently, undeniably scum. anyone who doesn't see it doesn't deserve any consideration from me.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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"wow you sound like chesskid" someone might say. damn straight. no one faulted chesskid for his play in team mafia, I took all the shit for it. because chesskid won. so fuck it.
if history vindicates the winners I'm damn well going to win this game cuz fuck yall. i'm the best, get dunked.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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yup, that's how I am. or at least, that's how I was made to be.See I cant see a world where you hear "I promise to carry out the death of your sworn adversary and top 100% scumread" and your reaction is a bunch of bluster about how great you are and not agreement
But no I guess that's how you are and I'll just fuck off then2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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and frankly your promise is meaningless. varsoon will die tomorrow wherever your vote goes. i'm not going to dignify your worthless offer to vote and treat it like you aren't high being willing to vote me in the first place.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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dunno why you think you're entitled to some respect for you as a mafia player when you don't earn it. i have nothing against you personally but in this mafia game you deserve nothing from me.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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don't apologize for wolfreading a wolf nibbui
precisely and I even set up that scenario for him because in the off chance that he was town at that point I could kill other scum and force scum to nightkill me and deal with the situation that wayI mean Varsoon, you could just ignore Radiant, wait until you're confirmed and when you get confirmed we would hipothetically lynch Radiant
but he didn't pursue that option because there's not actually a point in the game he gets confirmed so he has to lynch me by force, and that's easiest on D1.
it's also very helpful for scum him to be stuck in this 1v1 because his slot is dead in the water and he doesn't spew his partners if all he does is talk about me being scum.
Nibbui what do you want me to answer about hoods2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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also: do you really think that a person who thinks they have a 'pretty good' chance of hitting IC by day 3 agrees to be lynched on D2? If it was probably between those 2 roles, it would be D3, right?
but if he's scum and his main goal is to just try to look town based on his willingness to die and there's no point he actually gets confirmed, bam makes a lot of sense.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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just another thing he has done that makes no sense as town and makes a ton of sense as scum. half of the people in this game have pointed out at least one glaring inconsistency, but most of those people haven't voted him.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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it's funny because NO ONE can actually articulate a reason to scumread me that makes any sense. Elbirn is policy voting me, Chibi IDEK what her beef is, NK15 scumread me for blatantly NAI playstyle reasons
All of those exist for Varsoon but ON TOP OF THAT we have none of his actions making sense based on his claims reads and role, we have him claiming a role that doesn't make sense, making the most scum motivated decisions he can possibly make at every single point that he's forced to make a decision and all of that just keeps piling up and piling up and still everyone's like EHH I DONT REALLY WANNA VOTE VARSOON.
Why?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Remember when I as scum made that exact post to Chesskid and he refused every time? I sure do. Remember when I was villified for the game being toxic and Chesskid was lauded for winning a game he never would have won if I didn't decide to throw it for the sake of other players? I sure do. I expect you to be villified after this game Varsoon for it turning toxic, hope you enjoy it.
WHen you're an IC and can become literally confirmed town you treat things differently. This is one of those things.No, I can see him saying "lynch RC now and me if not confirmed on D2" as town for two reasons:
- He has become just a tunneled/focused on lynching Radiant as Radiant is with lynching him
- He is frustated so he is a bit desperate, biased and tunneling therefore wants to get RC lynched any possible way
In my opinion it can't be helped I'm going to find it scummy though, the overall explanation for his behavior if town would be frustation, and when you give in to frustation although sometimes (and in this case specifically) it would be understadable, it wouldn't be fair to blame town for reading such behavior negatively.
You're basically assuming that Varsoon is making the most irrational decisions as town for him to be town while also having a role that doesn't make sense and play that doesn't make sense
just because there is a hypothetical explanation doesn't mean someone's town, I feel like you're looking for any reason, literally any reason to not scumread him2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Like if he hardclaimed scum there'd be a contingent of people saying maybe he actually just thinks he's a wolf but is town, and if he posted his role PM people would try to say he posted a role PM from a diff game2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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town don't describe their top scumreads play as 'a bit weak'.
I think that his phrasing is scummy and I think that it's NAI for NSG because if he was scum with NSG he certainly is capable of manufacturing a fake townspew on her.RC what do you think of this post?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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ok let's see
1) your role is bullshit and never exists
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2) you claimed an obscenely strong scumread and then never really tried to get me through and voted other people, even when others (nk15) were expressing support
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3) when i called you out for it, and hard, you reverted and voted me instead and committed to the 1v1 but not when you weren't actually forced into it
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4) said ridiculously BS claim has a lot of scum value in the sense that it claims IC (the only thing that keeps you alive through today) but doesn't require you to actually be conftown by endgame
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5) when I offered you the single best contingency plan for town!you, lynching you d3 ('pretty good' odds of being conftown by then in your words), you refused and tried to commit to bringing me down to extract some value from a dead slot
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6) it is never, ever, ever this hard for me to get a lynch on someone who is not scum
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and varsoon here's the thing about saying I'm the toxic one.
you know full well that you could never have won this 1v1 against me. there was never another outcome for you.
so you created this day phase for absolutely nothing.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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