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In post 71, Aj The Epic wrote:My first reaction to your RVS vote was to vote you. Counterwagon votes are scummy, the wagons are meant to give reaction. And thus, you were trying to prevent this. From any other view, that IS scummy. You're almost buddying me, and making a reaction for me, which is really bad. Apparently, you don't even recognize your own actions enough to realize that.
Where was I preventing a wagon or buddying you? My vote was NOT in response to the wagon, or fuzzy's continuation of it, but rather to fuzzy's exclamation of "oh look: an RVS wagon", which he had absolutely no reason to.
In post 45, Aj The Epic wrote:Serra's vote is odd, but it is two things: The counter wagon vote, found in almost all RVS stages, and a non-legitimate vote other than counterwagon when made. Generally, people see counterwagon as a bad vote, the first indication to scum, derailment of a wagon. Which, at l-2, isn't a bad thing. But, I know myself to be town, and thus note that he can't have a motive to stop a scum wagon by that. Why he is persisting after Fuzzy, I haven't seen any good reason, but I don't expect that this is a reasoning vote, I suspect it to be reactionary only.
Your strong reaction towards my vote is unwarranted and ranting, which again you have very little reason to do this early on.
I'll chalk it up to you misreading my vote, but that sort of attack early on based on very little isn't particularly townie.
Also, fuzzy's rolefishing is likely noobtown.
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In post 82, leviathan93 wrote:i am different because i have left my vote on someone that i see as a possibility of scum and until seen otherwise that they are very townish i'm going to think that they could be.
So it takes someone being "very townish" to convince you to move an RVS vote?
Levi is a decent wagon.
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That's really not what he said though, is it? In the sentence I quoted, he states:
a) He has left his RVS vote as he sees the possibility of HD being scum
b) He will keep seeing the possibility (and, I conclude, not move his vote) unless HD does something very townish
I question why his RVS vote should carry so much inertia.
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In post 82, leviathan93 wrote:i am different becausei have left my vote on someone that i see as a possibility of scumanduntil seen otherwise that they are very townish i'm going to think that they could be.Wandering but not lost-
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In post 128, Yates wrote:Now he's trying to engage me in an attempt at defining how he can get away with this nonsense later if he isn't lynched now. Does not fly.
In post 131, Human Destroyer wrote:serra is being stubborn and sticky scum trying to hang on with every last ounce of his body to his levi vote.
So apparently I'm being lynched for asking a harmless question sharply.
leviathan sheeping Yates after agreeing my interpretation was a reasonable one to make is awful.
Might post a rant against Yates & HD some time tomorrow, in the mean time town should listen to kiwi, his posts actually make sense.Wandering but not lost-
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In post 148, fuzzybutternut wrote:Is there really a possibility of more than 2 scum in this setup, or did Levy just town tell really hard in post 127?
How is 127 a town tell? Levi didn't say anything about how the setup.
There's not much point in discussing the setup for now.
In post 146, Aj The Epic wrote:Look, yeah, Yates is probably town. We don't need to preach that to the world, most people with eyes can see that.
sounds a bit awkward.
I could go on a rant about how wrong Yates is about fuzzy and me, but I don't find him particularly scummy, so unless he has anything particular for me to answer, I'll look at levi instead:
I still don't like 82 as a response to kiwi's accusation.
95 calls Carey's sheep either obvscum or obvtown, which is by definition not obv-anything and thus an empty post.
127 seems sympathetic towards me (and he'd given fuzzy and me a townread previously), at least he calls my interpretation "understandable". Then after Yates reiterates how he thinks I was deliberately misrepping, levi pulls a 180 and votes me, even though Yates didn't really bring up any new argument against me between 127 and 133 (the vote). If he agrees with the case which Yates summarized, he should have done so before the summary, and hence have no reason to call me understandable. Yates' case, even though wrong, was clear enough not to need a summary.
In 137 he jumps at me calling his behavior sheeping. If he's town and truly agrees with the case, he should have no problem with his behavior being labeled as sheeping, which is alignment neutral.Wandering but not lost-
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I don't get why Yates isn't really commenting on anything besides me. It seems he's quite content to have me as his target for the foreseeable future and justified this by saying even if I'm not scum, my play is bad enough for town to warrant my lynch. Surely there are other people who warrant his attention more than me.
Levi's back and forth with Mhork is pretty bad, and I don't know in how far I'm willing to accept Aj's read, that levi is too scummy to be scum.
I don't really see fuzzy as scum.Wandering but not lost-
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Levi's play is completely inconsistent and horrible. Completely ignoring kiwi's absence while voting Safety is awful, given Safety replaced in. Also the strong scumread on me changed in 1 post by Safety.
SafetyDance's play is looking fine. Fuzzy looks noobtown, and I'd say we ignore Carey and wait for his replacement.Wandering but not lost-
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In post 469, Yates wrote:Are you two high?
Basically this.
Except I don't agree on Carey. He is an absolute moron, but nothing he's done looks all too different from his normal VI meta.
Ms Marangal, explain why levi is obvtown? The case on Safety is complete bullshit based on "lurking."
I think Mhork's play has been fine. Yates ignoring everything but my alleged misrep for pages is a bit odd, but his recent points make sense. Fuzzy not so much, but it at least seems as though he's he trying. My read on his is towards noobtown.Wandering but not lost-
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T/S lists are anti-town, but suggesting them can easily come from newbtown. I'm torn about whether levi's inconsistencies, anti-town arguments and generally abrasive uselessness comes from scum or bad town. Looking at how often he manages to get himself lynched as town sort of suggests the latter, but I really dislike his play so far.
Miss Marple, explain the rationale behind your comment of agreeing with your own lynch. You've obviously been reading and posting enough to suggest you do care about the outcome of this game. Also explain the possible scum-motivation behind Mhork's greeting to you.
I don't like Mhork's "not yet" about finding fuzzy scummy. Sort of seems like a setup to change his read in case fuzzy gets wagoned hard, but IDK. None of his other posts so far have bothered me, but I'll have to reread to make up my mind.
Ms Marangal has been more useful and made more sense in the last few hours than fuzzy and levi have all game, so I'm all for keeping her around. Mhork, besides Carey being massive lynchbait, do you have any reason to suspect Ms M?
Yates is an interesting wagon. Ms M's case is reads well and echos many of my thoughts about his play. My opinion on fuzzy is sort of like that on levi, so I think I'll
VOTE: Yates
I'll hopefully have time to reread and form some stronger opinions soon.Wandering but not lost-
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Amished tell is bullshit because a) female and b) extenuating circumstances of Carey sucking A LOT.
Mhork, what do you mean by "Yates forcing another claim"?
Deadline isn't THAT close. It's not a particularly large game, so I don't see too much of a No Lynch problem.
Hey levi, if you're never NKed but often mislynched you might want to reflect upon that...also good job anticipating Ms M's town flip! Fairly common noobscum twilight behavior, but you seem to be jumping the gun a bit.
I'd be willing to compromise on either fuzzy or levi for semi-policy reasons.
I don't much care for the case on Ms Marangal, and as I see her separate from Carey, I probably won't vote her.Wandering but not lost-
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In post 580, leviathan93 wrote:but thats not my problem
No, it's the problem of the town that has to deal with you. Which is sort of your problem...Wandering but not lost-
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In post 582, leviathan93 wrote:they just have to trust me i'm town and that will be that.
Except when you're not. You haven't been around for long enough for your stats to be worth anything and I doubt you can claim a substantial contribution to many of your victories.
@everyone: can we PLEASE keep Ms M for now? If we need to decide on a lynch for deadline pressure, let's have it be levi, if only to save us all a headache later on.Wandering but not lost-
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In post 595, Yates wrote:If murple flips scum, you will be scummy for buddying her. If murple flips Town, you will be scummy for distancing from her. You see how that works?
I see confirmation bias, and lots of it. I really don't understand your insane aversion to sheeping an argument you agree with. I had made similar points towards you throughout the game, which Ms M fleshed out and formulated as a rather compelling case. Also, what the hell are you on about Ms M misinterpreting Mhork's post? The Asperger's comment is wildly inappropriate and rather wrong, too. Mhork has indeed expressed sympathy towards Ms M replacing into such a bad slot and I too read his greeting with a slightly apologetic tone. If you could just go ahead and get off your high horse, that'd be great...
Ree, mind explaining why you think scum-Ms Marangal would tunnel on Yates after replacing into a suspicious slot? Surely if she's scum trying to save herself, attacking levi or fuzzy would be much easier. What valuable information would her lynch give, besides her alignment? "I have all these great connection tells" isn't really convincing. Yates has already stated that regardless of her flip, he'll see me as scummy for it, demonstrating that you can always twist the sort of buddying and distancing that's been going on recently as town- or scum-tells regardless of the flip.Wandering but not lost-
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In post 604, Yates wrote:That's only half right. I actually said that the reason you need to present your own case is to PREVENT buddying/distancing arguments so you are judged on your own merit. Otherwise, you're right. Without understanding where your vote came from, I can do nothing but assume that you already know what margarine will flip.
I have no problem being judged according to which arguments I do or do not agree with, in addition to my own. I judge the quality of cases independent of the person making them, hence my agreeing with many points you have made, despite my opinion that your early focus on me might make you scum. If you feel compelled to judge me by associative tells, rather than individual ones, that's certainly up to you, but I won't stop agreeing with good arguments because you'll call me scummy for it. Quite conversely, I find it significantly more suspicious if people feel the need to reiterate cases made by others in order to justify their vote.
You are correct that I hadn't expressed my points against you in a particularly accusatory manner, but 197, 223 and 474 still line up with malarkey's case. Her case 'connected the dots,' so to say, and convinced me that your behaviour could indeed have scum motivation.
As to the tone of 471, that's not a particularly valuable argument to have, but that post, as well as some later ones by Mhork, did come across as sympathetic, as far as I'm concerned.Wandering but not lost-
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Good point. I wasn't going to start speculating before we have some flips, but that's certainly a strong possibility.
There's still a part of me that wants to lynch levi, because his posts just keep getting worse, but Yates does look more scummy.
Levi, rather than awfully defending yourself and your play style, why don't you tell us why I'm scummy and what you think of Yates?Wandering but not lost-
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In post 794, leviathan93 wrote:theres a reason you have him as null. he has 11 posts. =/ thats not enough to get a confident read on anyone.
In post 704, leviathan93 wrote:In post 683, SafetyDance wrote:Catching up quick...I can't even defend the trio of votes on me before but usually guys, pro tip here, when someone asks you a question, you don't vote them as an answer.
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yeah, you're about as scummy as they come. you barely post, you don't really help town that much.
its hard to get any sort of real read out of you because of it. you are basically playing it safe and making sure nothing you do can be considered scummy but at the same time you don't look town either.
yeah you're scum for sure.
You seem confident enough in your read. As a replacement, Safety really hasn't been unreasonably inactive, but you take it as a certain scumtell...Wandering but not lost-
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In post 871, Ms Marangal wrote:I am completely in love with Serra ATM
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I can 100% confirm that TNE is anInnocent ChildFBI Agent.Wandering but not lost-
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In post 842, serrapaladin wrote:Marangal's reaction is genuine town, unless she's smart enough to call BS on the kill.
My conclusion is still this, but leaning towards the former.
PSA for Levi & Fuzzy: the day-vig kill was a a reaction test. Marangal isn't dead.Wandering but not lost-
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Why would it have confirmed him as town in the first place, levi?
It doesn't really affect his alignment too much, to be honest.
Did Marangal actually believe she was dead? In that case, what do you think of her parting words?
Explain, TNE? Why would we have a role with a day-kill ability to begin with?Wandering but not lost-
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Not really, levi, I'd peg Ree as the kind of player that could easily do that sort of thing as scum.
I don't think you can assume anything "usual" about small themed setups. Particularly day-vig as opposed to the normal NK variant isn't particularly likely. Scum having a daykill is very unlikely.Wandering but not lost-
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