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Probably not going to read through. Maybe like last 5 pages or something.

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hi quick.

can you read firebringer? i need help.

I can't because he is always the same.

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Strongest TR rn is on Nictis. Solid points. I was worried when they mentioned lyncher, but they retracted that quickly so that felt good to me.

Prolly biggest SR rn is on Beefy because I don't see at all how he is saying what he is as Town. I read from p33 to here.

Who am I voting? Someone I saw make like 2 posts or something.

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

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UNVOTE:

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Oh, yeah, Gamma seems a bit wooden to me.

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can someone tell me what the fuck they find suspicious about beef because I think he's town and no one has given a solid read other than like nsg and even then I didn't get much out of it

Some of the things he has said has been a big "wut?" to me. I can try and fish out quotes but I think he said somethings that just don't make any Goddamn sense.

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I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

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I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

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can someone tell me what the fuck they find suspicious about beef because I think he's town and no one has given a solid read other than like nsg and even then I didn't get much out of it

Some of the things he has said has been a big "wut?" to me. I can try and fish out quotes but I think he said somethings that just don't make any Goddamn sense.

Idk I feel like what he's said is sensible and also feels natural

I haven't ISO'd them, but from what I saw, I saw a lot of really weird stuff. What did you agree with with what they said since page 33?

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can someone tell me what wooden even means
also profii why did you let UCV go just because he flaked, I thought you'd brought something up about him not liking scum

To me it's a combination that your words ring a bit hollow and seems like you are just going through the motions.

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I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

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Ascetic miller neighbor claim is probably a joke.

VOTE: Nictis

It's a chainsaw defense, but I'll roll with this for now.

Rather than descend into the dpeths of madness wrt the claim he decides it's a joke. I feel like scum would prefer to hop on it. Could be possibly he's trying to play as the deep wolf here but the thought still feels fresh.

yeah, that's a shallow read and his reason for voting Nictis is based on chainsaw defense which is extremely weak.

Flavor Leaf is town.
Fakeclaiming to get out of RVS is just not something I see coming from scum.

A very nuanced thought imo, even though the read on the situation is wrong.

You think THAT is nuanced? Flavor could be doing anything and it ends up a big pile of nothing. It's not a nuanced read/thought, it's reading a player as Town who hasn't done a damn thing out of their Scum range.

FoS: 2inamillion

I'll back off FL amid public pressure but I still think he's scum ftr.

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Okay. I don't even care if this is a lolhammer anymore.

VOTE: twoinamillion

Die, scum.

Lots of people actually got on beef's ass on these but like it's a totally sensible thing I've done before. It shows he's being careful with is vote, and only voting when he feels confident enough to not care about what the wagon state as because the possibility of hammering scum is enough to outweigh the loss of discussion.

You realize that you are encouraging YOLO hammers right? What on earth makes you think that is a good idea AT ALL? TIAM is probably the biggest lynch bait in this game and you think it's a good idea for someone to vote them for giving a read that isn't even particularly Scummy.

With Pine and Nos both zeroing in on petty details, I think I can say semi-reasonably that at least one of the two is scum.

I don't know what to say about Mulch. I could kind of see it going either way with him.

This is a pretty natural thought imo wrt to Pine and Nos

Beef gave a TvS argument and like 95%+ TvS reads I see are dead wrong. You're just encouraging poor play at this point.

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I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

And you didn't ask them what their reasoning was so how the hell do you know how they got those reads?

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I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

And you didn't ask them what their reasoning was so how the hell do you know how they got those reads?

I don't think I should have to ask for people to not give randomly bad reads and give reasoning.

How do you know their reads are bad?

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TIAM reminds me of me when I first started playing.. thing is, he's been here for like 9 months.

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Mulch what is your read on me based on my read on Beefster?

VOTE: Beefster

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It's literally going to be Town Neighbor. Can y'all lynch Pine for me? Thanks.
Oh well. I have a lot on my plate at the moment anyways, so it's not all bad.

P-edit: Day SK perhaps?

You're not voting pine... WTF. And also, your reasons for SRing tiam are bad/non-existent.

I'm feeling tiam Town here. I don't think he can fabricate that tone.

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its 2018 and people still fall for daykill gambits on page 7 omg

Right?

To be fair, it's just people new to the meta. I wouldn't have tried that on you. I wanted to pick someone from the neighborhood to try it on, and inferno was the only one new enough not to immediately call bullshit.

Like I said, though, maintaining claim is NAI. Even newscum have a good chance of calling the bluff, and may be coached if they have daychat.

I have something you should see:

viewtopic.php?p=7332632#p7332632

OK page 30, but still.

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@Firebringer: Yeah. Town committee = Pine, Gamma, Fire, Flubber.

Inferno and TIAM are likely Town too, but not up to par.

I feel like I'm forgetting someone though.

Is fire in the town committee because you are actually masons or was that RVS stuff just for lols

Ew..

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On top of page 24. I hated Firebringer going after North like that.

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Read up to page 22

I didn't like fire's push on nsg at first but nsg's reaction to it is wasted breath at best.

Gamma yaking with tiam is wasted breath at best

I know that flavor leaf on his main can fill a thread as scum. The inattentiveness here is nai at best.

Everyone citing single games for meta is making garbage reads.

I like Flubber a lot for Town based on this.

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Wait, does Pine still think my claim was real? Honey, I’mma claim five more times this game.

Yeah, about that... Why the fuck would you ever play like that... smh.

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@Gamma- how can you kinda see my reads as political? I stated a town read on Firebringer, and stated I no longer think Pine was scum.

I don’t really have any scum reads right now, so I’m just kind of waiting until I see something I find scummy.

I’m paranoid of LUV.

Fire townreads you
I feel like your townread on Pine feels a little strangely timed tbh and I kinda feel like you relied on others (read: me) to badger 2iam out of his read, like I did at least 75% of that
also you keep paranoia SRing people on the hood which doesn't help you

Yes. Because Two’s reasonings for tunneling me every game are always poor.

I just call em like I see em.

I’m not paranoia’ing you or Inferno. Solid town on both of you. Why shouldn’t I go through everyone? Should I have just blindly let them coast? I feel like the paranoia I have is a good thing.

Honestly, you spend so much time Bull shitting with yourself you might actually believe it.

Yup I'm done with this

VOTE: FlavorLeaf

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Also, I have equal reasons to play the political game both town and scum.

When I’m town, I don’t have my scum buddies to back me up, so when I get pressured I’m in more danger of getting lynched when I have pressure than when I’m scum.

Two words: ad nauseum.

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They’re way too worried about their appearance; they are more invested and too explanatory. They are tonally in their scum meta

Nos is bad, but not for this reason. I think it was Pine who had the right idea. Actually, I think I have agreed with pretty much everything Pine has said this game.

Nos is just Scum for not doing anything and looking busy but actually doing nothing.

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And I am caught up.

Can all die:
Flavor
tiam
fire
profii
Nos
Beefster

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And I am caught up.

Can all die:
Flavor
tiam
fire
profii
Nos
Beefster

Im curious why profii made this list. Care to explain?

@Firebringer: Yeah. Town committee = Pine, Gamma, Fire, Flubber.

Inferno and TIAM are likely Town too, but not up to par.

I feel like I'm forgetting someone though.

Is fire in the town committee because you are actually masons or was that RVS stuff just for lols

Ew..

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Yeah, I'd rather not.

@MOD, I am replacing out

Didn't know you were in this game when I joined.

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My replace out had nothing to do with my alignment

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yep
my first win as town as well as my first game where town won

also the whole redflavor is not important thing was an attempt at a crumb
and also because a did not go anywhere does indicate that the target is not as likely to be scum as someone else
of course since they were a traitor they were never going to be able to do an action at all

Traitors can NK if all other group Scum have died...