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Important thing to remember too is that half the game was inactive around the time of that wagon and it grew fast. Scum wouldn't necessarily be around to bus, willing to bus, or bus in time.
Titus and Cliff are on Elements. Other bits of the scumpool were inactive (eg Rooster). Not sure where Kop was since he's missing. One sec.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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You might have missed the part where he was asking for my fucking opinion where I'm the towniest damn bastard ya evah saw. You definitely missed that Tchill wasn't listed as confirmed town.In post 3103, Cliff Booth wrote:
you and tchill are far from conftown LOLIn post 3101, Hopkirk wrote:Hey Titus, where's your Cliff scumread gone?
-4 are literally confirmed town (me/masons/Elements)In post 3093, bob3141 wrote:Although based on that logic it is possible cliff could be scum but what makes you think you arnt wrong about any of those in that list
Shy do you not think one of the scum would have bussed cliff during that wagon
-1 is Hectic (I'm not wrong here)
-1 is Tchill (claim)
-1 is Billy (claim)
Does it get to 8 then not get scum on it if it's a wagon on town? Wagons were collapsing at the time and that could've easily become a lynch.
If one of Billy/Tchill are scum 7/8 town is still super pure.
this is supposed to change my mind how?In post 3094, Cliff Booth wrote:I'm town and I actually was actually coming to a conclusion in my last post how I would think it's more likely that hectic is scum over you but okayThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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I could have coasted by with an easy Alonzo lynch days ago if I was aiming to avoid attention.In post 3107, Cliff Booth wrote:Okay you don't have him listed as conftown but you act like his claim makes hit vote on me any more valid because you are desperate to deflect negative attention onto me right now and are grasping at straws. Refute that.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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One scum on the wagon and it'd still be super pure.In post 3109, Hopkirk wrote:
I could have coasted by with an easy Alonzo lynch days ago if I was aiming to avoid attention.In post 3107, Cliff Booth wrote:Okay you don't have him listed as conftown but you act like his claim makes hit vote on me any more valid because you are desperate to deflect negative attention onto me right now and are grasping at straws. Refute that.
There's only 2 slots that can be scum.
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Why I voted Gobble: After the Alonzo/Eevee wagons on low activity players I wanted to see if anyone would join a vote on an inactivey player I didn't like. The ISO is questionable which I'll go through eventually but I'd like to hear what you think on it and see if I actually need to. I Would have gone Kop if his V/LA wasn't still on at the time. Would have worked better if anyone else joined it so I got nothing out of that. Not that anyone else really had a wagon going. No Alonzo counterwagon sticks out there.In post 3114, davesaz wrote:
The point of listing possible deepscum is to not obvtown them prematurely.In post 3087, Hopkirk wrote:You know what I'm not looking for d2? Deepscum when we haven't lynched scum yet.
Plenty of people can be deepwolfing. That's not what I'm looking for.
See 2936 for reads.
If you take that post and add my more recent comment on Hectic you should get that he isn't a proper scumread, but certainly not a townread either.
I'm still seeing lots of hand waving and not much explaining of scumreads. If there are implications invovled I'm horrible at reading between the lines, just so you know. Why are you voting them?
Why I voted Aaron: I was planning to follow with a case. On a reread he was town.
Why I voted Kop: There's stuff I don't like but if I post about him before he catches up it'll be handwaved away.
Why I voted Cliff: He seems pretty obvscum now right?
I didn't have any lockscum reads until today, so I haven't cased anyone. A large part due to not having time to go through stuff in the depth I'd like (Hectic was visiting for half of last week so with that and work I didn't have a chance to actually play mafia.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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His movie. You at least had a character arc. He had the whole wife thing brought up and abandoned for no reason then wasted a perfectly good opportunity to explore cults.In post 3116, Rick Dalton wrote:
This is almost worth a voteIn post 3113, Hopkirk wrote:Your movie didn't have a fucking plot.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Look at any of my old games and you'll see I reread and change my reads a lot. Townreads now aren't all going to stay that way d5.In post 3114, davesaz wrote:
The point of listing possible deepscum is to not obvtown them prematurely.In post 3087, Hopkirk wrote:You know what I'm not looking for d2? Deepscum when we haven't lynched scum yet.
Plenty of people can be deepwolfing. That's not what I'm looking for.
See 2936 for reads.
If you take that post and add my more recent comment on Hectic you should get that he isn't a proper scumread, but certainly not a townread either.
I'm still seeing lots of hand waving and not much explaining of scumreads. If there are implications invovled I'm horrible at reading between the lines, just so you know. Why are you voting them?There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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I swear nobody knows what a scumslip is.In post 3119, Cliff Booth wrote:
wait so I'm not crazy in thinking that was a scumslip then? or are you implying something elseIn post 3115, davesaz wrote:
My alt got caught once as scum based on a post just like this.In post 3109, Hopkirk wrote:I could have coasted by with an easy Alonzo lynch days ago if I was aiming to avoid attention.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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You're acting like I'm under so much pressure? That's because I'm making a scene. Pretty fucking explicitly what I'm going for since I didn't like how the game was going- one wagon that's been going for days without a counterwagon or any good justification. The best thing i've heard is 'it's basically a policy lynch' and a townflip would tell us nothing... well nothing except we lose a mason then go back to the exact same place we are now with one less inactive.
Shame we've got half a dozen of them and some of them are actually scummy.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Billy's town. His scumgame was reserved/cautious/as far as I can tell he subbed out due to pressure from it. He has a lot of natural feeling posts this game.
Tone is super sincere here, and in general in discussion to memeing and Hectic.In post 183, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Ok makes sense. It's early, so this was basically my way of directing a question to Carcalilly while we are still in LIVS. LAMIST means look at me I'm so town. Her comment about worrying about Hectic pointing out breadcrumbs in response to what I thought was a pretty obvious joke came across to me as her trying to score easy townpoints. That's why I asked if it was a joke. And I didn't read it as a joke initially, which is why I directed the vote there.In post 165, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
i don't know what LAMIST means, tbh.In post 145, Hectic wrote:
JEEP's guide to catching mafia told me that naked votes with little explanation like this are usually bad.In post 131, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
bad postIn post 102, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Oh man, hectic and hopkirk are both going to make this game fun to read and infuriating to play. I don't have a clue how to read them, but it's enjoyable at least. Can't tell if carcalilly was joking, because that was a bit LAMIST. Carca were you joking?
VOTE: Carcalilly
Hectic's survivor crumb had me dying.
vote: billy pilgrim
Do you dislike his post because he's LAMISTing it up and not scumhunting?
i didn't like the post because it was a long way of saying "i have no reads" while trying to appear to be substantive. and the questioning of carca + the immediate vote makes me feel like he genuinely wasn't interested in learning carca's perspective, and did it as filler.
he's probably still town in that case. i'm sure some of the stuff he's saying is a meme, though.In post 149, Hopkirk wrote:
What if he was an experienced mafia player, not necessarily with the experience being from mafiascum, with a 'sordid' history of memeing, and who had a humorous discussion with me last week about the flailing statistics.In post 139, YOUAREGREAT wrote:he's town then (or rather, not lying about being survivor)
because his tone is extremely earnest and passionate about the game. but if it was an old user doing a "haha i'm so new" gimmick then it wouldn't be as genuine
And as for my comments that I can't read Hectic and Hopkirk, I mean that. The jokey posts come across as though they're not game solving, but they're legit nai, so sorting them is tough. Yet for some reason I decided to torture myself by replacing into this game.
This is the kind of thing newbscum latches onto and spends half the day tunneling. Billy seems to consider whether it's actually likely (see follow on in his iso). Reads aren't influenced which seems like a townie play, avoiding focusing on something he could call a policy lynch for a few days.In post 632, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Couldn't tell whether yours was a test or whether it was a slip. Given that there had already been discussion I thought you may have been fishing for reasoning which I'm pretty sure I mentioned in my post. I thought hers was the bigger outlier since she used it. You defending was suspect, but I figured it may have been you trying to draw out my reasoning.In post 611, Hopkirk wrote:
Wait why didn't you vote me here. Carcalilly using 'green pm' to mean town makes sense, but I clearly didn't realize there wasn't colour in the pm- as you mentioned earlier.In post 555, Billy Pilgrim wrote:@Gamma - I agree that I'm probably having trouble working my way into this game. It's ALOT larger than I'm used to, and it's insanely active. I think games been up for 36 hours and we're on page 22 already. So I'll be along.
Pedit: I'm not playing devil's advocate. My pm jumped out at me this time, because I'm used to them being green or red. Not sure why that wasn't noticeable for others, but it seems like everyone's letting this slide, and your play felt like you were sorting. That felt like the first scummy thing I could see, so now I'm left with nothing.
UNVOTE: Carcalilly
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Tone is super sincere. Easy to follow thought process.In post 815, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Did I really push Judge? I said there wasnt what I would consider game solvey content there, then it changed. If you don't see a difference in Judge's content then I guess this makes sense, but it started to look alot more like sorting and much less memey. And I posted that part because I had answered a question from Carcalilly about his slot earlier.In post 786, bob3141 wrote:In post 749, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Judges recent posts are making me like that slot more. I think I've already said I like tchill's slot. I'm not sure why YAzg keeps voting my townreads, but it's definitely making me more skeptical of her slot.
My gut is telling me that this is simply you trying to back track on a push. While also using it to stear towards another. Makes me your scum thinking after Judges claims it would be to risky to push there. With you instead hoping to stear instead to another player that has been pushing him. All the while making a point of no longer scum reading him. So what made you like his slot more, that would of been the case before?
I just dont get why the first part was even posted. And on the later half care to tell us why YAzg pushes on those players you townread makes you as you put it skeptical of her slot. So why a scum leaning over a leaning toward town making misguided pushes. And what in the posts makes you feel its not genuine scum hunting
Your the other player that has pinged me so far. There is just this uneasy feeling im getting on your slot.
I liked the way she came in the game, and immediately started sorting. I probably read too much into the comment about the green pm. But if someone is scumreading your townreads, that is tough to square. I didn't say I'm scumreading her, I said it's making me more skeptical of the slot, which means I need to re-read it with a fresh eye.
Don't see this admission coming from scum. More likely to get defensive. His slot hasn't really been that bad so it sounds more like town guilt than anything.In post 1092, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I liked Hopkirk today. He's right that my slot's been terrible. I didn't really have much to go on today. Carca's probably right that I'm asking weird questions, I am sort of lost in this game. The only wagon that existed was roster, and I wasn't that into that one, but this one feels better, not a huge fan of Cliff's slot, and I'm liking the people on this wagon so far.
VOTE: Cliff
What he subbed out for as scum last time.In post 1634, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Nevermind, found it. Damn this game is unwieldy.In post 1633, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
What was this in response to?In post 1436, davesaz wrote:@AaronFrost I agree that taking care of college stuff first is the right priority. Replacing in is good for the site, but it's better when you do it only when you're ready to play.
Still don't think scum want to claim this. Not unless they've got a backup watcher (like town watcher/scum backup, scum tracker/town backup seems plausible). Even then it's clearly easier to just target Carcalilly.In post 2508, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Ok, I'll be the IC or I'll get a guilty on a claimed vanilla cop. Check me I'm a VT.
No one else claim VT. Jailer can be on me to keep me alive. I'm not going anywhere. Although if there's a possibility that scum have a watcher maybe don't be on me.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Super may be an overstatement, and we all know Dave has a problem with that kind of language.
In post 957, EeveeLution Army wrote:I'd prefer a wagon to be on someone who can defend themselves. Even if he gets subbed, the sub wont know his reasoning, or why hes gone.In post 962, EeveeLution Army wrote:My defense of him is purely for altruistic reasons. Id hate to be a sub, subbed into a slot thats almost dead. Wouldn't you?
Didn't like these interactions we were having at the time. Eevee was very inconsistent logic wise in relation to the Roosterwagon. This line from Eevee specifically 'His reasoning for not being here his reasoning for having done nothing.' which does not gel at all withIn post 1052, EeveeLution Army wrote:You missed my point. The sub wouldnt be able to answer those questions. They would only be able to read from a post-post perspective. So asking them anything about roster wouldnt get you anywheresomeone getting force replaced for inactivity. Disliked Eevee at the time for that since they seemed to be changing their position on the whole thing two or three times during the conversation, but fell off my radar.
This is oddly out of place with Eevee's general impulsive posting style, not really asking any questions. I think it's the only request to explain a townread. Sort of implies Eevee agrees with the other townreads which we don't get a particular sense of anywhere.In post 1260, EeveeLution Army wrote:In post 1252, Garmr wrote:
Fixed this for you.In post 1233, Carcalilly wrote:besides that I have a little list, in order. town top.
gamma
hectic/Dave
garmr
yag/profi
Bob/billy
Jjd
Dalton/Kop
Eevee/Eleme
Cliff
hopkirk/tchill
I'm aware I haven't explained the lowest end much yet. I'll do that someday.
That being said I don't understand why gamma is a top town read.
Could you explain your dave townread?
Fence sitty. The last bit about a vig shot is particularly bad from someone who's 'not sure' about the claim.In post 1830, EeveeLution Army wrote:im not really sure what to think of the watcher claim. its a weird fakeclaim for scum since watcher always felt better for a scum than a town. and cop/tracker would be better roles to claim here right? its easier to excuse not dying since a doctor can save them easier while i dont think a host would let a watcher doctor combo happen without super strong scum prs. all together i think we should let him be today. but if theres a vig feel free to shoot him.
Don't see this comment really coming from someone who 'doesn't buy the claim' like Eevee allegedly doesn't at this point.In post 1893, EeveeLution Army wrote:
im more disappointed he didnt ask the hostIn post 1890, bob3141 wrote:Elementis if you are town always check the wiki. Thats teh first thing i would expect any player to do. Just looks liek your trying row back
Other similar interactions with Elements around the claim like this don't fit the tone of Eevee's scumread of the claim. Eevee is going too hard on 'lay in out specifically' while not really delving into the more obvious 'how is it possible you can't claim' for someone who allegedly doesn't believe the claim.In post 1921, EeveeLution Army wrote:is me guessing and you saying yes or no allowed?
Overjustifying the next day.In post 2076, EeveeLution Army wrote:In post 2070, bob3141 wrote:In post 2054, profii wrote:I am not a fan of Bob. He initially voted for Elements for reasons 'setup spec'ing very early' etc
He then left the wagon, but came back when the lynch actually went through and when he put his vote on he said he didn't believe the macho/one shot claim.
My concern is that if I am casing a slot for being scummy I'd be like "woah guys I'm voting elements because he was setup speccing over in this post, plus now look at this macho claim it's gotta be BS" - i.e. case the whole ISO for a scum evidence - Bob didnt mention his initial setup spec concern when he votes due to his claim concern, which makes me believe he is looking for a reason to be on the wagon rather than actual scum hunting properly.
VOTE: Bob3141
Obviously I will hear him out but I'm just going to vote there for now.
I've looked at Tchill's ISO and someone is going to have to take me through the case here, he doesn't come across super town of the players I've looked at so far but I dont think he is the most scummy either at this point unless I've missed something of course.
That seems pretty reachy to me. Are you going to pick out everyone that voted for elements early in day one. By the time elementis made his watcher claim i was already sorting him as town. With me even calling out those who continued to push him.
Wasn't with till after his one shot macho watcher claim plus himself voting that made me reluctantly vote for him.
Straight watcher i believed. Macho watcher could be possible role but no townie should have mentioned the macho bit. Added to all that self voting. It just looked bad for town
Oneshot talk tipped me over the edge when it came to voting for him. I cant see why he mentioned that as he flipped just a macho watcher. I wonder if he was responding to onceper a night
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I find it odd you overlook my scum hunting aswell. Did you not think kop has been scummy this game. Has he not done anything in your opinion to justify my vote on him before the wtacher saga. For you to think that doesnt even count as scum hunting.
He has yet to answer any of my points i think
I honestly think he shouldn't have said macho. He was in a really bad position as either faction. I probably shouldnt have voted him myself but i really wanted a lynch to go through and he became too much of a liability unfortunately.
Not taking a stance (resembling the rest of this iso). Tone reads poorly here.In post 2611, EeveeLution Army wrote:In post 2609, Carcalilly wrote:What do you think of Billy's VT claim?
I can see it as an opportunistic claim from mafia but it would put them in an extremely bad situation unless scum has a way to stop nea. If he is vt idt we should lynch him but its a tough call
This is the first post I read since I was going backwards initially and why I said superobvscum. This is so Lamist. Eevee hasn't had a stated problem with Tchill before this. Eevee isn't concerned at all about the hammer, they're just saying 'let's wait a bit first'. Looks like they're actively avoiding the wagon. They hadn't voted ALL day to this point but are implicitly in favor of/happy with Tchill being lynched here.In post 2673, EeveeLution Army wrote:Can you postpone the hammer until we get answers for the above questions
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Ok I'll go through Kop like you asked yesterday Dave. Watch him handwave it with 'It was a month ago' then do a low effort catch up that results in nobody caring about his d1 play.
The last sentence is written unnaturally.In post 823, Kop wrote:If cop did check the miller claim and actually gets a guilty, we're no further forward to the truth, because that claimed miller still could be scum. It would create a lot more WIFOM than anything else because we're left with a debate on either believing the claim or lynching said claim.
I also don't get why we are discussing what possible roles are out there. Rolefishing is scummy.
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What are we going to achieve by trying to predict the nightkill? You do realise that there is most likely going to be more than one kill.In post 779, Carcalilly wrote:I'm guessing that there's only so much we can talk about day 1, even though for a large game 32 pages isn't much.
I expected us to lynch someone soon but either scums playing real good or the lynchbait is laying low.
Wanna predict the nightkill? Do you think scum will be cautious of jjd's whatever-the-fuck-cop-claim? Or will they realize it's a joke? Or is it?
Kop focuses a lot on this minor setup/night stuff 800 posts in without really giving reads. Read like he's looking for something to focus in on.In post 827, Kop wrote:
I find rolefishing to what roles could be out there scummy, especially on day one. Because it just feels like it could be scum looking for reactions and get a feel of where the possible PR's are.In post 768, Elements wrote:
Is it early to start speculating? I just quite like doing it.In post 761, bob3141 wrote: im not liking the fact your speculating on the set up this early.
Sorry to disappointIm hoping for a third game were my initial impressions turn out to be right
Setup speculating should be done at least day two once we have a night out of the way to see what we are up against.
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Again, oddly focused on speculation.In post 1018, Kop wrote:
I don't know why this is the first time that your aware of my presence, maybe I never got involved with the whole RVS stage properly, or properly announce myself.In post 847, Carcalilly wrote:
1. Who are you, where did you come from, why is this one of the first times I'm aware of your presence?In post 824, Kop wrote:
What are we going to achieve by trying to predict the nightkill? You do realise that there is most likely going to be more than one kill.In post 779, Carcalilly wrote:I'm guessing that there's only so much we can talk about day 1, even though for a large game 32 pages isn't much.
I expected us to lynch someone soon but either scums playing real good or the lynchbait is laying low.
Wanna predict the nightkill? Do you think scum will be cautious of jjd's whatever-the-fuck-cop-claim? Or will they realize it's a joke? Or is it?
2. If town can work together-subtly-with the prs to prevent or predict a NK it will be favorable. Town can WIFOM scum with protective roles. Giving them a hard time is worth a minimal effort. Predicting can urge scum to rethink their decisions and possibly make ones less favorable to them. It prepares us for day two. Nobody was saying anything on the thread and I wanted something-anything-to talk about.
3. How the fuck is everyone so sure about a third faction or alternative killing role?
I have never played a game where we have tried to predict the nightkill so apologies on not seeing what kind of benefits it has. If I had actually participated in a game where I've seen it done and seen the affects it has, then I could have possibly had a different view on it, but since I've never been in a game where it has been done, I had a hard time seeing the negatives and positives it has.
And as for your third point, I thought I had seen someone quote a phrase that mentioned serial killer and I thought it was from the Mod. Reading back at the mods posts in this game, there was no mention of it so my bad for misreading into it, I don't know who quoted it so I can't check back on that either. However a game of this size, I'm going to presume that there will be a alternative killing role, possibly a vigilante, or another scum faction, or possibly a lone serial killer. Otherwise it's going to be quite a big mafia team if we're going to guess the ratio is 1 mafia to 4 town.
In post 1353, Kop wrote:
I don't like this vote, and also the explanation isn't up to the vote either. I just feel that it is a clean sheep vote because he likes the people that are on the wagon, I understand following your town reads, but there could be a possibility that there could be scum on the wagon that he is town reading. Or the other possibility is that Billy is scum and can have that confidence in the people on the wagon are town because he would know for sure they are town. He didn't like the Rooster wagon, but he would know that it would look bad for sheeping onto that wagon because of the manner and way the votes went.In post 1092, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I liked Hopkirk today. He's right that my slot's been terrible. I didn't really have much to go on today. Carca's probably right that I'm asking weird questions, I am sort of lost in this game. The only wagon that existed was roster, and I wasn't that into that one, but this one feels better, not a huge fan of Cliff's slot, and I'm liking the people on this wagon so far.
VOTE: Cliff
He also states that he is not a fan of the Cliff slot, but hasn't really divulged into why he doesn't like that slot, or also interact with Cliff to debate with him to why he doesn't specifically like that slot.
VOTE: BillyIn post 1357, Kop wrote:
Don't like this vote either. No substance, but if it happened to be a lynch at some point, any questions aimed at this vote, wouldn't be justified because he can easily hide behind it was a pressure vote and I was told that this was the thing so I joined.In post 1142, Hectic wrote:
I see, I'll take your word for it O Great IC.In post 1140, Elements wrote:Hectic, we're trying to move onto a Cliff wagon given so many people don't want to vote roster
VOTE: Cliff
From above- two posts chainsaw defending Cliff without a clear townread on the slot.In post 1359, Kop wrote:
Can't disagree with any of this.In post 1189, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
Sorry, but I think it's time to drop the gimmick and play Mafia. Prove to me that he has done some kind of scum hunting and I will let him be. I feel like his posts are mostly hollow though, so I don't see why you can't drop him and hire a double stunt that actually can do the work for you,In post 1095, Rick Dalton wrote:Guys, that’s my stunt double. I need him, or else I’d have to do my own stunts. I’m an alcoholic, how am I supposed to that drunk?
The comment directly above has an odd abscence of mentioning Cliff's gimmick when Kop has a problem with Rick's gimmick - makes it look like his lack of Cliff interaction isn't just an accident. Scum equity or trying to pocket, either way not a fan.
Yeah, really don't like this one. The Rooster vote looked like everyone else's on a low activity slot let's build a wagon. Now Kop is trying overly hard to assign reasons and I don't buy he just saw that comment and thought 'I'll pressure that'In post 1361, Kop wrote:
Based on someones comment that Rooster done naked votes in a previous game and he was scum. I believed it warranted some pressure. I was also never going to be on that wagon right till the end of the day.In post 1360, bob3141 wrote:
So if you dont think it was a townie thing to sheep teh rooster wagon. Why did you also sheep it?In post 1353, Kop wrote:
I don't like this vote, and also the explanation isn't up to the vote either. I just feel that it is a clean sheep vote because he likes the people that are on the wagon, I understand following your town reads, but there could be a possibility that there could be scum on the wagon that he is town reading. Or the other possibility is that Billy is scum and can have that confidence in the people on the wagon are town because he would know for sure they are town. He didn't like the Rooster wagon, but he would know that it would look bad for sheeping onto that wagon because of the manner and way the votes went.In post 1092, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I liked Hopkirk today. He's right that my slot's been terrible. I didn't really have much to go on today. Carca's probably right that I'm asking weird questions, I am sort of lost in this game. The only wagon that existed was roster, and I wasn't that into that one, but this one feels better, not a huge fan of Cliff's slot, and I'm liking the people on this wagon so far.
VOTE: Cliff
He also states that he is not a fan of the Cliff slot, but hasn't really divulged into why he doesn't like that slot, or also interact with Cliff to debate with him to why he doesn't specifically like that slot.
VOTE: Billywithout evenen reading enough to see that Rooster was going to be replaced from inactivity
lamist again but who cares, that's probably not an actual scumtellIn post 1768, Kop wrote:VOTE: Aaron
I can't disagree with any of the votes on him, I don't think it's a good idea voting a non counter claimed PR claim. Yes he may be fake claiming, but I believe in giving him a chance to try prove his claim, rather than lynching him without that chance.
Still odd that he hasn't given any sort of read on Cliff or interacted with Cliff (or even tried to interact) when he immediately seems to discount the Cliff wagon as a possibility here. Goes for different ones.In post 1722, Kop wrote:
Can you put your case out to why you would vote for both of them?In post 1720, Titus wrote:I want elements or Cliff atm.
A last second flash is near certain to hit town. Scum will lurk it out.
Is your elements vote based on what is usually used by scum, but IMO that's not exactly a concrete reason because 'usually' isn't exactly a motivation to scum read someone. But you've never built on that or necessarily interacted with him, and seem to be going on what everyone else has been given him and making your own mind up.
I do get what your saying about a last second flash wagon is likely to hit town or possibly out another PR. I would rather not go for the watcher, and if Cliff is anything other than a PR, I'd likely like to go for the VT.
In post 2947, Kop wrote:Man I've got a lot to catch up on, I've just got back off holiday. This is going to take some time.In post 3060, Kop wrote:Im not fully caught up, but why are you Voting for a claimed tracker? We fucked up and ended up lynching a claimed watcher which proved true.
Why are you voting for people who either vote for you or shout for your lynch?
This is all we've had d2. Honestly I feel like anyone who doesn't post for two weeks should just be force replaced.
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Solid town from what I've reread today: Aaron Frost/Hectic/Carcalilly/Texcat/Garmr/Billy/Tchill
More may join, but I haven't got the full reread done yet.
Alonzo feels town purely from the pushes surrounding them, not from content.
Titus is null.
VOTE: Eevee
Eevee is scum. Kop is likely scum.
Still to reread:
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Judge Joseph Dredd
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roosterfoster/gobbledygook
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You don't say you scumread him directly. What you said, and what I quoted, is this:In post 3185, EeveeLution Army wrote:tchill is on my never lynch list hopkirk. along with gamma carcalilly. ive been looking for a third to add. someone suggested profii which i dont mind.
The reader of this can easily infer that you don't have a problem with someone hammering Tchill since you ask for the hammer to beIn post 2673, EeveeLution Army wrote:Can you postpone the hammer until we get answers for the above questionspostponedinstead of saying you don't want the hammer or asking any questions about it. It's implicit from your actions that you wouldn't have a problem with the hammer, but you don't directly say you want it either.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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@Dave: how come you haven't wanted an explained readslist from Eevee, or Kop, or Titus, or Gobble, or Tchill who never explained his scumread on me beyond a sentence, or Rick who just says stuff (which I think is his meta though), or literally anyone else?There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Rick. Doesn't change my read on him.In post 3198, EeveeLution Army wrote:i just went to the generic term. if u know who did could u tell me maybe?
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This is why I really liked Bob. It felt so nonsensical he doesn't feel informed/feels more like new town who thinks they've got something (when what he's saying is actually less effective when he said it than literally picking names at random).In post 2072, bob3141 wrote:going to go through the voting history. will do that this weekend as i will need to make my own vote counts of day one to analysis.
but first thing that stands out from lil vc is this
roosterfoster (5): Elements, Gamma Emerald, Kop, davesaz, profii
roosterfoster (5): x, x, Kop, davesaz, profii
Now we might have 8 players more but we also have more scum.
Im fleeing its very likely one of kop, dave and profi is scum.
doubt its dave and with me feelign strongest about kop
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Basically why I'm leaning against scum Alonzo. There hasn't been a counterwagon and it got too quiet when the wagon started to build.In post 3206, AaronFrost wrote:
I can understand this sentiment honestly. This game has been very chaotic and hard to follow. I think scum is content with the current gamestate because there's been a lot of confusion and very little cohesion with this group of players.In post 3171, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Just came in to say I'm NOT gonna read. I have hit the point of no return with how apathetic this game has become. I gained no new info from D2 posts that I had read, and I don;t see much of anything going on. It's like everyone is isolated on a different island and every single one of us believes the world ends where their line of sight does.
I can see a fair few scum just lurking.
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I'm only in this game because Elements/Hectic signed up- so I'm rapidly losing interest when there's this little posting going on, half the game is barely posting (which really kills my enthusiasm too), and those two are dead/inactive.
Currently working full time + studying for exams every evening + other commitments/studying all weekend gives me very little time for mafia. That should probably explain why I haven't put/won't be putting all that much work into this beyond occasional bursts.
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Do youIn post 3214, AaronFrost wrote:
Guess you could call him...In post 3187, EeveeLution Army wrote:tbh i thought you and KOP were the same person for a while LMAO
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Obvious place to look would be after Tchill claimed where Eevee was the second biggest wagon but didn't get any increase to the wagon, the votes around then that could lead to alternative wagons, and the Alonzo wagon that actually arose afterwards instead of Eevee. titus fits in pretty nicely for one.
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Hi, it's your local Dave translator here. What does Dave's unexplained obscure phrase that understanding his post relies on mean this time? Well that's anyone's guess. Apparently 'toits' can mean 'rooftops, tight or tits' none of which make any sense in that context, and a search of 'toit' on mafiascum doesn't come up with anything. It's almost enough to make you think he doesn't care about people understanding him and would be more comfortable just yelling at a wall or something. Preferably a short wall since he'll need some sunlight to counteract all this shade and these personal attacks I'm throwin' at 'im.In post 3235, davesaz wrote:
Oh heya couple pages happened.In post 3189, Hopkirk wrote:@Dave: how come you haven't wanted an explained readslist from Eevee, or Kop, or Titus, or Gobble, or Tchill who never explained his scumread on me beyond a sentence, or Rick who just says stuff (which I think is his meta though), or literally anyone else?
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You're going to need to be a lot more specific by what you mean here. Currently this is you just handwaving/trying to avoid commenting on anything specific.In post 3236, Titus wrote:Hopkirk doesn't look good with the what about others defense.
In this poorly thought out post we see Titus referencing a single Hopkirk post despite there being 30 of them and giving absolutely no indication which one she's talking about.In post 3240, Titus wrote:
In that post, yes.In post 3239, davesaz wrote:
Do you think that's all he's doing?In post 3236, Titus wrote:Hopkirk doesn't look good with the what about others defense.
What counter? The Eevee wagon collapsed because there was no momentum earlier when it became the leading wagon.In post 3242, Titus wrote:Right now, I think Alonzo has a high chance of being scum due to the last second counter on EEarmy
Currently we lynch Eevee and we vig Titus.
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Just get back on Eevee and we won't have any trouble.
How are you happy with Alonzo and Eevee wagons? Are you thinking the scum weren't able to drive a single wagon the entire day (when there's probably ~5?) I guess I could see that with some of the suspicious inactives.
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I could see the benefit in a wagon on Eevee tomorrow.In post 3269, gobbledygook wrote:
How do you know a vig exists? Personally I prefer Eevee. I feel like their reaction to getting voted “oh you hammered” was fake.In post 3266, Hopkirk wrote:Remember everyone, the big shoots titus tonight.
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Rick Dalton/Hopkirk/Texcat
Aaron- up for voting Eevee
Dave- up for voting Eevee
Gobble- only not voting as wanted lynch
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Billy- maybe.
Eevee- maybe.
JJD- wanted it earlier. Doesn’t acknowledge it now.
Bob- huh, hasn’t done anything in the last week
Titus- against
Kop- Literally didn’t post (except a prod dodge) for the entire 2 week day phase. Not sure why this wasn’t force replaced.
Carcalilly- against
Tchill- ?
Garmr- ?
Hectic- he’d have gone on Eevee but he probably wouldn’t have been online before deadline.
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Which questionIn post 3291, EeveeLution Army wrote:i dont get how you went to confirmed scum yet didnt answer my question?There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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I'm still saying this flips town due to wagon dynamics so I don't think you meant this one.In post 3277, EeveeLution Army wrote:if this flips red what are potential partners people who lynched this
I made a case yesterday.In post 3278, EeveeLution Army wrote:whats like the lead reason to scumread me? my weird tone? or lackluster activity overall?
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