Large Normal 228: Bananas - Game Over

[fwogcarf]

hot take the scum are the users who have numbers in their name


VOTE: Wake88

[fwogcarf]

Er, make that one whole hour

I'm super good at math

we are all bananas waiting to be eaten

[fwogcarf]

help its been six hours and im still trapped in a cage full of sharks

[fwogcarf]

Hah, my plan to pre-emptively OMGUS has succeeded after all!

he fooled us all

[fwogcarf]

its like when you take a tomato and a cucumber and make a children's show out of it

[fwogcarf]

Hey guys, let's do a thing. The last sentence of this post will be in a spoiler tag. It will be the first sentence of a story. Whomever posts next must add another sentence to the story inside of the spoiler. This has nothing to do with the game, I just want to know what kinda of sick fucked up story a bunch of mafia players would come up with.

Spoiler: Story

So there I was, eating a banana in my living room.

Spoiler: Story

So there I was, eating a banana in my living room. I was just hanging out and having a good time, but then Bob walked in.

Spoiler:

So there I was, eating a banana in my living room.

[/quote]

Spoiler: Story

So there I was, eating a banana in my living room. I was just hanging out and having a good time, but then Bob walked in. I instantly lost my appetite when I saw what he was wearing.

[fwogcarf]

There we go again with the formatting lul

[fwogcarf]

Vc

ManateeDude replaces QuantumQuasar.

Oh look someone I've played with

[fwogcarf]

1. Your story gives scum a means of coasting through the game all under the guise of "it's all in good fun"!

2. Calling it out prematurely denies information.

3. Calling ME out on not continuing the story means you surely don't care about using this story as a means of finding coasting scum.

Hi I'm Black Ranger and I support getting rid of fun

[fwogcarf]

More votes on osuka, please and thank you friends.

Also dang mod, that 4xBump Combo. Never in all my years have I seen such a daring maneuver.

he wants all the pagegets

[fwogcarf]

Fwogcarf and Drew-Sta, can you guys link me to either your average and best town games? Please specify whether they are typical games and best town games. I am generally familiar with the personality types of everyone else here. It would help me determine your strengths and weaknesses to work with you better. I am picking you guys not for alignment reasons but for strategic ones. Please don't feel picked on.

The only good town game I remember was in the ToS Forums (VFM 60 was the name). That thread got deleted due to breaching

Other than that, I don't have great town games. Newbie 2001 is an exception since I consider performing well there.

https://blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewt ... 7&t=106970
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3813658

These can be considered average i guess

[fwogcarf]

Perfect. Thank you. My goal is to get to know you. Extreme confidence is not required. This should help me get to know how to get the best from you.

k

[fwogcarf]

Does scum theater this early

[fwogcarf]

why, are you scumreading them both?

Nope

But I will find out who came out of that exchange worse off.

[fwogcarf]

why, are you scumreading them both?

Nope

But I will find out who came out of that exchange worse off.

....then what was even the point of that question?

To spark conversation

[fwogcarf]

why, are you scumreading them both?

Nope

But I will find out who came out of that exchange worse off.

Clearly you think one of me or osuka is scum otherwise. You wouldnt have said worse off thus you think one of us is scum.

As you apear to have all ready ruled out that its tvt

Now i think osuka is scum and osuka is being king of omgus.

But what do you think. There is no sitting on the fence in a mafia game. Unless you want to spend a month sitting awkwardly.

Since this argument is still going on I'm going to wait for it to end.

I'm leaning towards osuka being scum as of now

[fwogcarf]

VOTE: fwogcarf

ok

[fwogcarf]

fwogcarf

but i think i got what i wanted.

VOTE: fwogcarf


Have you not got any views on anything else. Why does everythign you could comment on only be about osuka vs bob ?

Because nothing else has happened this game worth commenting on.

[fwogcarf]

Stopped reading bob vs osuka after about 10 posts. Way to clog up the game guys.

VOTE: fwogcarf

ok

Scum reaction
VOTE: feog
Still SRing Black Ranger. Nahdia asked why? Because his page 1/2 content looked like scum trying to get posts in as "content"

Who's more scummy, me or Ranger?

[fwogcarf]

I'm retracting my scumread on osuka and moving it to bob

will explain later

[fwogcarf]

Really interesting to see multiple votes on me without explanation

anyway going to analyze stuff

[fwogcarf]

The whole Bob v Osuka thing was instigated by bob and carried over i think 3 pages. Up to 81 I start slightly scumreading Osuka because his goal of the game "finally getting somewhere" is achieved. This is only page 4 when he says this, I find that statement schedule-like (for lack of a better term). He starts pushing bob off of the "why do you think this can't be town" question. I got out of that is Osuka pushing bob off of that ONE question, which is horrible reasoning for a vote.

What pings me about bob is that he wants to know what Titus' role is. Now that would seem really bad in a normal game without confirmed town, but I think it's still unnecessary to ask Titus what her role is when there could be a doctor floating around somewhere (If there is a setup, I haven't seen it). I completely agree that being conftown is exhausting because most of the town will look up to you for decisions and you don't want to screw up.

This prompts me to think theater might be happening because wolves can play against each other to seem like an argument is either TvT or TvS, when in reality it's SvS. Here I don't think that is the case when Osuka is blatantly insulting bob in every single post he makes (including a jab at Nahdia). Bob's moodiness might be a tell for sure, but Osuka's arrogance sort of throws the entire argument off for me.

So both of them are hard null, but the argument is in no way SvS

Is that the fenraiser I know from ToS

[fwogcarf]

Stopped reading bob vs osuka after about 10 posts. Way to clog up the game guys.

VOTE: fwogcarf

ok

Scum reaction
VOTE: feog
Still SRing Black Ranger. Nahdia asked why? Because his page 1/2 content looked like scum trying to get posts in as "content"

Who's more scummy, me or Ranger?

You cuz posts like 145 stink and Black Ranger hasn't posted in a bit

Not crazy about Drew entrance. Seems like a lot of nothing plus the Umlaut SR.
No idea how to read bob.

Fair

[fwogcarf]

Perfect. Thank you. My goal is to get to know you. Extreme confidence is not required. This should help me get to know how to get the best from you.

Huh.

Well that's awfully cordial of you.

happy birthday my dude

[fwogcarf]

so realtalk, did anyone else just like... not read the whole bob/osuka thing? show of hands? o/

Why?

sarcasm, my dude

Nahdia seems sort of townie? I haven't played with her in ages so my meta is junk.

mmmmm why? any reasoning besides stale meta?

You have chosen to completely disregard the bob v osuka argument and see if you can find supposedly better content. Are you purposefully choosing to distance yourself from the conversation or do you legitimately not have any opinions on it.

If the latter, why ask the "Show of hands" question?

[fwogcarf]

I'm not on tilt. I'm emotionally turbulent. You're going to get a fucking f bomb every few posts. Happens.

relatable

[fwogcarf]

yeah bob's "lol it's fun to mess with people" post is kind of wild but not sure what to make of it. combined with wording in 183 bob kinda just feels a bit performative to me? a bit too loose? idk, tone reads are bad, but im making note of it here anyway. fight me

fwogcarf is not exactly giving me town pings but I need someone to explain the wagon because right now it looks to be based on some pretty weak surface-level points. Still want a response from Bob in particular re. 139.

didn't like this:

Spoiler: brief exchange

Does scum theater this early

why, are you scumreading them both?

Nope

But I will find out who came out of that exchange worse off.

....then what was even the point of that question?

To spark conversation

seemed shady, like they were giving the suggestions of a scumread without actually, yakno, giving a scumread. and defending weird questions as "sparking conversation" is bleh.

pedit oh yea happy birthday wake.

I like to ask questions that aren't directed at anybody just to see how people would A. respond to it and B. what their opinion is. You can read me giving a hint of a scumread as bad, that's fine. What's not fine is the "sparking conversation" thing because that is 100% the truth and I do it all the time.

[fwogcarf]

so realtalk, did anyone else just like... not read the whole bob/osuka thing? show of hands? o/

Why?

sarcasm, my dude

Nahdia seems sort of townie? I haven't played with her in ages so my meta is junk.

mmmmm why? any reasoning besides stale meta?

You have chosen to completely disregard the bob v osuka argument and see if you can find supposedly better content. Are you purposefully choosing to distance yourself from the conversation or do you legitimately not have any opinions on it.

If the latter, why ask the "Show of hands" question?

why are you not trying to make your own content?

?

I am.

[fwogcarf]

I think Bob v Osuka could be TvT because of the lack of strong outside interference. Most of the people commenting with the exception of drew and titus I believe actually tried to engage with those two. Every one else just watched or slanked (looks at own previous slot) and watching the chaos unfold in the background is something I think wolves would be content to do. If this is SvS I honestly would just be ashamed of the players.

In addition, the chaos seemed to stem from Bob misrepping because he assumed votes means scumreads and Osuka dodging his questions because he was misrepping. Their POVs differ but coincide in such a way that I believe would be hard to fake if both of them are scum because their arguments against each other when you take into account their assumptions

actually make sense

.

I was gonna rant more on the topic but it would be counterproductive.

@Fwog

The one and only.

ayy welcome to the game bud

[fwogcarf]

I've basically skimmed most of the game and it was hard for me to pick up anything. Guess it's all the new dudes i haven't played with, a lot of their words just sound like noise.

I noticed some people scumreading Black Ranger, why?
As for wagon on Fenraiser. Most questionable thing i can find is his post 98. What do you mean? Who is the scum doing a "theater"?

Scum theater is when at least two people from the scumteam have an argument that spans out for a ridiculous amount of time to gain the sense that one of them can't be scum because of their fierce interaction

[fwogcarf]

Only half here today, dealing with RL medical things

VOTE: Bob
Osuka looks a bit better over time and I agree upon consideration that Bob's plagiaristic approach to reads is unnerving.

No real read on the replacements yet.

Fwog wagon is still ???

i am the man behind the meme

[fwogcarf]

Bob calling everyone stupid is not going to get anywhere

[fwogcarf]

Bob calling everyone stupid is not going to get anywhere

who have i called stupid other than osuka?

Your attitude is eventually going to develop into you calling everyone stupid for not following your lead. You're so focused on everyone getting on the same wagon as you that you aren't taking the time to do anything else

I'll actually use your own words against you here, and say that you also have no meaningful content outside of the interaction with osuka. Your points regarding my scumread on you are completely invalid. You're doing something that I like to call rolefishing. Rolefishing is self explanatory, but it basically means that you start targetting one or more people and post content regarding what their roles could be.

A townie doesn't scumread anyone after an interaction between X and Y? That's so blown out of porportion. You're saying that every conversation that people have will always result in two townreads, if I'm reading you correctly. I am not insulting you whatsover, rather just criticising your play.

Sometimes you have to think about other things when you're reading through interactions between players other than "They're town" or "They're scum".

[fwogcarf]

I've basically skimmed most of the game and it was hard for me to pick up anything. Guess it's all the new dudes i haven't played with, a lot of their words just sound like noise.

I noticed some people scumreading Black Ranger, why?
As for wagon on Fenraiser. Most questionable thing i can find is his post 98. What do you mean? Who is the scum doing a "theater"?

Scum theater is when at least two people from the scumteam have an argument that spans out for a ridiculous amount of time to gain the sense that one of them can't be scum because of their fierce interaction

Yes, but who did you think was doing theater?

Osuka and Bob

I was asking the question rhetorically, but I'm glad that it's actually gained traction into something we can talk about.

[fwogcarf]

Bob calling everyone stupid is not going to get anywhere

who have i called stupid other than osuka?

Your attitude is eventually going to develop into you calling everyone stupid for not following your lead. You're so focused on everyone getting on the same wagon as you that you aren't taking the time to do anything else

I'll actually use your own words against you here, and say that you also have no meaningful content outside of the interaction with osuka. Your points regarding my scumread on you are completely invalid. You're doing something that I like to call rolefishing. Rolefishing is self explanatory, but it basically means that you start targetting one or more people and post content regarding what their roles could be.

A townie doesn't scumread anyone after an interaction between X and Y? That's so blown out of porportion. You're saying that every conversation that people have will always result in two townreads, if I'm reading you correctly. I am not insulting you whatsover, rather just criticising your play.

Sometimes you have to think about other things when you're reading through interactions between players other than "They're town" or "They're scum".

rolefishing the mod confirmed titus role. are you a new to normals and this site?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

that the mafiascum wiki thats says whats normal and what isnt. Im talking to our IC.


So then why havnt you called osuka out then. He has been toxic for the last few days. He insults me so are you suprised i dont care about insulting him in light way.

Yeah, I'm new. Usually when a confirmed town is revealed it isn't Innocent Child.

I'm not calling out osuka for this because he's not as stingy as you are. He is very annoying though

[fwogcarf]

@fwo Don't worry about proving yourself. Go forth with confidence. Act as if there's no wagon on you. You can do this. Tell me your current theory.

Osuka and Bob certaintly isn't SvS (Scum v Scum). I don't see two wolves attacking each other like they did and might continue doing. I can see them both being scum, and I'll present these points with refreshed information from other people.

Osuka's tone is horrible and a good reason to scumread for. He taunts Bob for half the time while also giving out points that i can somewhat agree with. But like I said before, his attitude of "I'm better than you, so agree with my points" is worse than Bob's own anger imo.

Bob's rushing to answer is NAI. He also brings some valid points, but he brings his anger out on everybody else after the main event of the argument ended, which I can see a wolf doing out of pure frustration.

Regarding other players, Nahdia is meh, Cakez and Drew are reachy, and Umlaut is fine

[fwogcarf]

Osuka's tone is horrible and a good reason to scumread for. He taunts Bob for half the time while also giving out points that i can somewhat agree with. But like I said before, his attitude of "I'm better than you, so agree with my points" is worse than Bob's own anger imo.

Why is my tone a good reason to scumread me? You really should know that 1. I’m not being nearly as big an ass as I can be, and most importantly 2. I can be an ass regardless of alignment.

I’m actually a little surprised that I come across as “I’m better than you and you should agree with me”, because that’s not typically my mindset when I play. I just don’t like to mince words and I get annoyed fairly easily

That all being said, though, I probably am better than many and you should agree with me.

I'm better at making tonal reads than making reads based on points made, unless that person who's making those points has been mechanically locked scum

[fwogcarf]

Did anyone else polish their banana today?

Yes

Moldy bananas are the best kinds of bananas to polish

[fwogcarf]

@drew na what i meant was that it was intended to try and sort lucky.

I'd be willing to give them a pass for today

[fwogcarf]

Osuka's tone is horrible and a good reason to scumread for. He taunts Bob for half the time while also giving out points that i can somewhat agree with. But like I said before, his attitude of "I'm better than you, so agree with my points" is worse than Bob's own anger imo.

Why is my tone a good reason to scumread me? You really should know that 1. I’m not being nearly as big an ass as I can be, and most importantly 2. I can be an ass regardless of alignment.

I’m actually a little surprised that I come across as “I’m better than you and you should agree with me”, because that’s not typically my mindset when I play. I just don’t like to mince words and I get annoyed fairly easily

That all being said, though, I probably am better than many and you should agree with me.

I'm better at making tonal reads than making reads based on points made, unless that person who's making those points has been mechanically locked scum

is this really all that accurate though? Most people i've played with don't really change tone very frequently based on alignment, but they

do

change thought process and game behavior

Most of the time yes, but there are people out there who are really good at sounding the same from both alignments and it makes my job a lot harder. There will be the wolves who try to win the game, and the wolves who expect to get carried.

[fwogcarf]

VOTE: Nahdia

[fwogcarf]

I don't think a Nahdia wagon would be bad, but i'd like to settle some scores first.

Anybody in particular

[fwogcarf]

I think Nahdia showing up would advance my position on multiple slots.

Agreed

[fwogcarf]

hi, sorry, im here. just feeling drained in general and i kind of feel like joining another large was maybe a bit overambitious of me. i will catchup.

happy birf

[fwogcarf]

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

[fwogcarf]

@host Luciano needs to be prodded

bob I'm glad you've calmed down

[fwogcarf]

if you honestly think town wouldn't skim over a page full of angsty wallposts at the very start of the game, idk what to tell you. that's just straight up wrong.

>Asks me question about scumreading Bob/Osuka
>Doesn't know anything about the interaction

Thonk

[fwogcarf]

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

Is there much behind this "meh" read?

not really but i have nothing else at this point

[fwogcarf]

in other new i broke my record for longest amount of time being top wagon

very nice

[fwogcarf]

Hmm is CantLynchAPuppy town or is puppy just really cute?

why ask this question

[fwogcarf]

Not saying I'm a PR this time around, but I learned from my last game not to share results until someone declared intent to hammer.

what the fuck

this feels as if all the dimensions my brain exists in have collapsed into one and created a singularity that is deeply, deeply confused

My brain cannot comprehend the excessive amount of effort put into this post

[fwogcarf]

You can demonstrate how good you find it by voting for Norwegian.

Horrible wagon

[fwogcarf]

I'm gonna expand on my Nahdia scumread because I still firmly believe they're a wolf. I don't know how to link posts so bear with me.

I don't know whether or not their post 51 is a joke or not, but now that osuka has become townier to me in their recent posts, it's a questionable one to make. I also don't know why someone mentions the mod filling up the rest of the page, probably for extra fluff. 73 is bad. Their next couple of posts are just them spectating, and then they suddenly get on my case about a possible theater happening. I know some people questions townreads on themselves, but Nahdia feels too unnatural to be questioning Cakez about a townread unless Nahdia is scumreading Cakez or something like that. We get to 194, where they decide "Meh, I'll back off", and don't take their vote off of me.

The recent interaction between me and Nahdia was supposed to put pressure on Nahdia and also try and convince others to get on the wagon with me. That failed horribly, and I know that. I don't know if it's worth noting but Nahdia also hasn't posted since that interaction, making it seem like they don't want to talk to anybody anymore and probably talking in their wolfchat.

[fwogcarf]

cakez youre kind of over exaggerating what norwee said acting as if hes proposing we quicklynch you

+1

[fwogcarf]

You can demonstrate how good you find it by voting for Norwegian.

Horrible wagon

Can I get a read list from you, excluding yourself and me?

hopefully people know what brackets are

{osuka, Norwegian, Puppy}
{Fenraiser, Manatee, BR, Wake, Umlaut, Cakez}
{bob, Drew}
{Nahdia}

[fwogcarf]

Three days to go and the wagon development feels really slow. Gotta zoom!

VOTE: SirCakez

Just because I have this slot as null and he seems like the biggest comparison to fwog, who I have as null/town

you've got no scumreads then?

[fwogcarf]

Three days to go and the wagon development feels really slow. Gotta zoom!

VOTE: SirCakez

Just because I have this slot as null and he seems like the biggest comparison to fwog, who I have as null/town

you've got no scumreads then?

Hi fwogcarf! Wrong. Want to help me lynch BR instead?

No I want BR alive

[fwogcarf]

can we not start questioning irl stuff? I never lie about that and I expect other people to be truthful when it comes to out of game stuff and VLA

its called angleshooting and highly frowned upon

[fwogcarf]

can we not start questioning irl stuff? I never lie about that and I expect other people to be truthful when it comes to out of game stuff and VLA

its called angleshooting and highly frowned upon

Who’s angle shooting here?

no one

[fwogcarf]

i misunderstood that post as someone actually angleshooting wake

Out of bob, drew, and cakez, I'd lynch Drew

[fwogcarf]

Nahdia has sort of recovered but they're not coming off my radar yet

[fwogcarf]

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

I don't buy this at all

Is this a sole reason to scumread someone? EBWOP

No I SR fwog for other stuff.

What are they

[fwogcarf]

Now I remember why I've been SRing fwog all game. He keeps making waffly, useless active posts like these below;

fwogcarf

but i think i got what i wanted.

VOTE: fwogcarf


Have you not got any views on anything else. Why does everythign you could comment on only be about osuka vs bob ?

Because nothing else has happened this game worth commenting on.

Really interesting to see multiple votes on me without explanation

anyway going to analyze stuff

Or when he does talk about people it's very waffly and noncommital

@fwo Don't worry about proving yourself. Go forth with confidence. Act as if there's no wagon on you. You can do this. Tell me your current theory.

Osuka and Bob certaintly isn't SvS (Scum v Scum). I don't see two wolves attacking each other like they did and might continue doing. I can see them both being scum, and I'll present these points with refreshed information from other people.

Osuka's tone is horrible and a good reason to scumread for. He taunts Bob for half the time while also giving out points that i can somewhat agree with. But like I said before, his attitude of "I'm better than you, so agree with my points" is worse than Bob's own anger imo.

Bob's rushing to answer is NAI. He also brings some valid points, but he brings his anger out on everybody else after the main event of the argument ended, which I can see a wolf doing out of pure frustration.

Regarding other players, Nahdia is meh, Cakez and Drew are reachy, and Umlaut is fine

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

Is there much behind this "meh" read?

not really but i have nothing else at this point

And I dislike his Nahdia push.

Huh

[fwogcarf]

Brackets are a form of readlist that i first learned about in my home site. You group players from townieness to scumminess. They can vary in a number of different ways

The most basic one is:
{Town}
{Null}
{Scum}

The ones I did were
{Town}
{Null}
{Slight scum}
{Scum}

They're always subject to change

[fwogcarf]

Ok Drew might be town here.

I wouldn't jump to a townread just yet but he gets a pass

I've lost to wall posting wolves before

[fwogcarf]

Norwegian is town and I don't blame them for wanting to end day early

Hot take of the century

[fwogcarf]

Norwegian is town and I don't blame them for wanting to end day early

Hot take of the century

I want to know why you read him this way and I want to know why getting to night is in any way a town based behaviour.

I didn't see his motivation and progress as a scummy way to go about things

But after seeing his response I'm not so sure that's a town mindset anymore

[fwogcarf]

Norwegian is town and I don't blame them for wanting to end day early

Hot take of the century

Why do you town read him though?

I see in post 387 he appears in your top read section along with osuka and puppy. But before then you mention no stances on him. A few replies and few fluff posts but nothing from you. And nothing since. I might be questioning cake over his scum read that he has clarified to be a weak one. But I myself would never town read nord for wanting to end the day early as its easily NAI. But you mention that fact along side a repeat of your town read for him. A read i can find no progression for.


In fact i cant see any real attempt to be proactive in sorting players.

That's what brackets are meant to do. They usually contain all the players in the game and you sort them out so you know where to look later on to suspect anybody.

I don't have to explain my Norwegian townread because now I need to reread them after that response they gave.

[fwogcarf]

The only real progression in your reads seems to be the scum read you have on nadia.

You have bit on the players in middle two brackets and some on osuka.

But none on puppy. The only time ive seen in your iso that you intereacted with that slot is over that story lucky made. Where you were simply adding to it. So no posts that were not simply fluff ( by searching your iso for lucky)

So can you explain how your puppy town read came about?

I'm mostly townreading Puppy for their predecessor Luciano, who i recently played a scum game with. They were different in this game than that game, so that was a good start. Puppy doesn't fall into the category of doing anything wrong, although I am a little concerned with how overbearingly friendly they are.

Then again I've used the friendliness reason to scumread someone before and got lynched for it, so I'll have to reread just Puppy and not get completely confbiased

[fwogcarf]

the beginning of this page has extreme cringe levels

[fwogcarf]

I don't have to explain my Norwegian townread because now I need to reread them after that response they gave.

Which response are you talking about?

486

[fwogcarf]

Norwegian is town and I don't blame them for wanting to end day early

Hot take of the century

I want to know why you read him this way and I want to know why getting to night is in any way a town based behaviour.

I didn't see his motivation and progress as a scummy way to go about things

But after seeing his response I'm not so sure that's a town mindset anymore

i mean i pretty much got exactly what i expected from his response. what were you looking for that would have indicated town?

If they kept pressuring Cakez because of his play, not because Norwegian wanted to end day. He used completely wrong reasoning for his Cakez vote when he had a better reason beforehand.

Early Norwegian votes for Cakez based on his play. Now Norweigan votes for Cakez to try and end day.

[fwogcarf]

the beginning of this page has extreme cringe levels

Yeah, that vote count is super cringe.

Nah not that part

[fwogcarf]

Early Norwegian votes for Cakez based on his play. Now Norweigan votes for Cakez to try and end day.

Lol, i've stated my read already so why should i reiterate it? My earlier reasoning doesn't vanish just because i don't quote my original post casing him every 5 minutes.

are you voting him for reads or are you voting him to try and end day?

Pick one

[fwogcarf]

Ok Drew might be town here.

I wouldn't jump to a townread just yet but he gets a pass

I've lost to wall posting wolves before

pardon me a second, have you actually been reading the shit he's posted recently? that doesn't strike me as particularly towny

we have differing opinions

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Cakez probably town uwu.

don't like this

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mmkay

UNVOTE: Nahdia

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osuka if your dont want to make a mistake drop the bob lynch. Gueuze talk about death tunneling. You have literally nothing backing up your case.

All that would happen if you got me lynched is that you would look real bad the next day and be low hanging fruit for scum to mislynch.

Im sort of player that if you think im scum it is still always better off lynchign me at lylo-1 than the early lynches. If i flip town then my reads are solid 90%. And worst case you migth have already caught one or two of those who are scum.

osuka's not even tunneling you though

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The this town is guaranteed to lose. If you let low poster of the hook. To many times ive seen players ignor them and let the high town posts eat them selves.

We have no strong pushes thus any one currently being push is likely to be town. Thus you want to look at the low posters who are staying out of the thick of things for todays lynch

you want Wake lynched? Why?

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osuka if your dont want to make a mistake drop the bob lynch. Gueuze talk about death tunneling. You have literally nothing backing up your case.

All that would happen if you got me lynched is that you would look real bad the next day and be low hanging fruit for scum to mislynch.

Im sort of player that if you think im scum it is still always better off lynchign me at lylo-1 than the early lynches. If i flip town then my reads are solid 90%. And worst case you migth have already caught one or two of those who are scum.

nice ate

unfortunately for you, i have no emotions. this post only makes me more confident in lynching you

Not the greatest response in the world

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My vote'll probably be more useful at EoD imo.

My Nahdia push got nowhere

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The this town is guaranteed to lose. If you let low poster of the hook. To many times ive seen players ignor them and let the high town posts eat them selves.

We have no strong pushes thus any one currently being push is likely to be town. Thus you want to look at the low posters who are staying out of the thick of things for todays lynch

you want Wake lynched? Why?

thats misrepp.

Im not pushign wake. Im giving that slot another game day as he has said he has rl time issues

Im pushing manntee.

My mistake then

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My vote'll probably be more useful at EoD imo.

My Nahdia push got nowhere

We are one day away from deadline. Where are you on the current wagons

I don't want you lynched, but I'm fine with the others

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the wisdom is that fwog is mafia.
and fenraiser is towny
and im coming around on cakez being maybe town also. his progression on BR is good and while i dont agree with the logic on his norway push, it feels like genuine hunting. i think scum!cakez would deathroll it more. can see the gears turning there better.
519 on the other hand is a transparent scum reaction.

@drew do you always scumhunt by looking for "slips"? I am being highkey triggered by your play bc normally i consider calling things slips which arent a scumtell, but i feel like you've been doing it so much that maybe we just have different definitions of those words?

i will lynch manatee. 536 is bad (the second point about the omgus). it's not an illogical point, but i dont buy that manatee is a paragon of logic that believes anything not perfectly rational is scummy.

>Fwog is mafia
>I want to lynch Manatee

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I'm definitely not going to

Also not going to be up

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people were talking about compromising on manatee. i looked at manatee. i decided i agree.

posts like this are why fwog are scum tho.willfully ignoring the obvious in order to support a scumread. same thing i pointed out as in 519.

what obvious point did i ignore

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I legitmately don't understand why you scumread me other than for my nonchalantness

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I can do Manatee; I liked that sorta-case that someone posted a while ago. Frustrated that fwog is not getting pressure. Sus that Nowegian has vanished.

I've been pressured already if you want to look back a couple days.

You scumread Norwegian?

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VOTE: SirCakez

last post of the day, won't be around for EoD

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Well, at least I don't have to be paranoid about Bob's claim now.

Sir this is a bad post

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I'm gonna guess Bob was the maf kill, but why does vig shoot osuka?

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I'm gonna guess Bob was the maf kill, but why does vig shoot osuka?

It could be an SK or second scumteam. I am thinking SK atm. If I am wrong, the vig should come forward so we can leash it given it shot consensus town with its hero shot.

I doubt it would be a second scumteam unless it's two pairs of wolves, which would make towns job a lot easier in my opinion.

I dont see SKs in games often because it makes games less fun, but then again this is a different site I'm playing on

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I think unannounced multiball is unpopular enough around here that that's probably not what's happening. Going to agree that Mafia+SK is most likely and work on that assumption unless someone wants to take credit for that extra kill.

@fwog

Why did you assume vig specifically?

Nahdia's 848 is a good observation and I agree with their confusion as to how the distinction Manatee is drawing in his response is a meaningful one.

Most of my games with two n1 kills belonged to mafia and vig.

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Is a mafia neopolitan the same thing as a mafia goon?

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Is a mafia neopolitan the same thing as a mafia goon?

a mafia neopolitan checks if someone is a Vanilla Townie or not.

Ok then

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lot of OMGUSing in this thread, it feels like.

Honestly

I agree with you

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Bahahaha

I assumed that my role in moving us all from a seemingly inevitable lurker lynch onto lynching a

Mafia PR

yesterday would have put me above suspicion but I should know better than to expect common sense.

I would like to inform you of the concept known as "bussing"

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I would like to inform you of the concept known as "bussing"

Interesting, I can't wait to learn about it! Proceed to inform me.

Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners, usually by helping to lynch them (and hopefully playing a major role in convincing others that they are worthy to be lynched). The term "bussing" comes from the phrase "to throw under the bus", which means sacrificing them to gain credibility. The 'bussee' is the player being thrown under the bus, and the 'busser' is the one doing it.

The effectiveness of this technique varies, mostly because it has been around practically since the beginning of the game of Mafia.

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I would like to inform you of the concept known as "bussing"

Interesting, I can't wait to learn about it! Proceed to inform me.

Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners, usually by helping to lynch them (and hopefully playing a major role in convincing others that they are worthy to be lynched). The term "bussing" comes from the phrase "to throw under the bus", which means sacrificing them to gain credibility. The 'bussee' is the player being thrown under the bus, and the 'busser' is the one doing it.

The effectiveness of this technique varies, mostly because it has been around practically since the beginning of the game of Mafia.

Amazing! You are truly a fountain of information. Tell me, is busing usually done by waiting until the last minute of Day 1 and then pushing the lynch

off

of a safe lynch the perpretrator would have taken pretty much zero heat for,

onto

a scumbuddy with a power role, who was otherwise at basically zero risk of being lynched at any point throughout the day?

(Pedantic sidenote:

busing

/

bussing

is one of those annoying words where both spellings look wrong, but I'm pretty sure the former is the according-to-Merriam standard)

Both situations can apply regarding certain situations that can possibly happen at the end of the day! Truly amazing! Bussing can happen at anytime, from the start of the day to the end. However, it has been scientifically proven that starting a bus at the beginning of the day, whilest seeming like a logical move, will always get you endgamed no matter the town equity you may possess. Bussing can also happen at the end of the day by voting for another, close wagon behind the main one to earn you town equity! This strategy works more often than the former.

In this situation, if bussing were to occur, it would be more like the former, but not exactly. The target in question (Drew-STA) has a history of long posts and a coasty attitude. He would seem perfect for bussing if the right case was shown against him. Given that Drew did try to defend himself, nobody can really know for sure whether someone drove the bus or not.

(On a side note, a bus is also a vehicle that is usually driven from schools to pick up little children. They usually are yellow, but sometimes can be a variety of colors.)

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I think Manatee is probably town.

I agree Manatee is probably town here

why

I was doing associative reads but Drew associate reads muddled everything up when I looked into it further.

You can make new reads based on Drew's flip though

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I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

I could believe Wake SK, but what makes him a

really good

suspect beyond the ultra-lurking?

He has no associatives with anyone and osuka seems like a kill someone not really paying attention would make

What makes you think this Cakez?

Because if a wolf (or SK) who didn't want to engage with the thread wanted an easy kill, I think the first choices would have been bob, titus, and osuka.

Fen did you townread bob and/or osuka?

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I'll be honest, I've been suspicious of Fenraiser for quite a while now

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I'll be honest, I've been suspicious of Fenraiser for quite a while now

How long of a while? Can you point to where in the thread these suspicions started?

It started near EoD and then picked up when the day started today

I'll ISO him actually so i can get a better case on him

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The first post that irks me was this one that he made about puppy

Hmm is CantLynchAPuppy town or is puppy just really cute?

His response is also weird because he immediately votes bob with nothing in that post signifying anything scummy about bob in it.

Hmm is CantLynchAPuppy town or is puppy just really cute?

why ask this question

I would lean town just from post tone but avi+name and being a puppy might have influenced the lean subconciously so I am a bit cautious.

On another note,

VOTE: Bob

I didn't see any read progression on Cakez after his random pop-in calling him town. I can sort of see his train of thought but when I reread it a couple of times it just looks like fluff.

Then this happens

And manatee what makes you think your posts are better than cakes?

Do you still feel liek cake is exaggerating what nord said considering he has clarified his stance on nord. With his stance being a slight scum read and not strong one.

A fine question Bob. I am also interested in what Manatee has to say.

Fen, what is the reason you respond to this post here? You've voted bob which likely means you scumread him. But then you agree with him that you also want manatee's opinion on the matter?

His D1 attitude seems a little over the top. While it's not exactly like Drew, where Drew gave one - three liners in their responses, Fen feels like Drew but with more words.

Day 2 he clears Umlaut although he found a legitimate reason to scumread them D1 near the end of the day. Why does that reason not still stand? Just because Drew pushes BR and Umlaut doesn't mean that they're locktown. He also never explained his clearing of Norwegian.

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It's not as bad as Nahdia but it's not a good look for Fen imo

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Spoiler:

The first post that irks me was this one that he made about puppy

Hmm is CantLynchAPuppy town or is puppy just really cute?

His response is also weird because he immediately votes bob with nothing in that post signifying anything scummy about bob in it.

I had reasons in my head and Bob was the most prominent at the time for being scum even if I didn't voice them out loud. Also 342 shows this.

Hmm is CantLynchAPuppy town or is puppy just really cute?

why ask this question

I would lean town just from post tone but avi+name and being a puppy might have influenced the lean subconciously so I am a bit cautious.

On another note,

VOTE: Bob

I didn't see any read progression on Cakez after his random pop-in calling him town. I can sort of see his train of thought but when I reread it a couple of times it just looks like fluff.

I thought Cakez's reads progressions were genuine esp. with his calling out Norwee for allegedly defending BR.

Then this happens

And manatee what makes you think your posts are better than cakes?

Do you still feel liek cake is exaggerating what nord said considering he has clarified his stance on nord. With his stance being a slight scum read and not strong one.

A fine question Bob. I am also interested in what Manatee has to say.

Fen, what is the reason you respond to this post here? You've voted bob which likely means you scumread him. But then you agree with him that you also want manatee's opinion on the matter?

I responded because I agree that Manatee should get his butt in gear. I can agree with someone even if I scumread them btw fwog. While I scumread the slot, I'm also open that I might be wrong.

His D1 attitude seems a little over the top. While it's not exactly like Drew, where Drew gave one - three liners in their responses, Fen feels like Drew but with more words.

Day 2 he clears Umlaut although he found a legitimate reason to scumread them D1 near the end of the day. Why does that reason not still stand? Just because Drew pushes BR and Umlaut doesn't mean that they're locktown. He also never explained his clearing of Norwegian.

I realized I messed up quotes in regards to Norwee. I may have to reread him again. He seemed townier to me than Cakez but gonna reread because it's been a while.

@Fwog

Hmm, alright then

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Cakez wagon looks spicy but not spicy enough

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Poggers i got the 1000th post

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I feel like there's too much tolerance for underperformance in this game. The lynch is a destination. How we get there is more important than lynching scum. Investment is how we'll color slots versus rolling some weighted dice.

I don't want to hold people to some great standard of "must case everything that you make impact with" or "must have a strong opinion" but you should be able to find some way to help the town. If that's your wincon at least.

Do you think my Nahdia case has the capabilities of being implemented today?

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Cakez wagon looks spicy but not spicy enough

What is this supposed to mean?

Meaning that I thought there could be a wolf jumping on here but judging that we're not close to EoD and there's only three votes I don't think a Cakez lynch is happening today.

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Who were the main detractors from the wagon on Drew-Sta?

I was on Nahdia but it doesn't show on the votecount because mod made a mistake

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Oh wait Cakez is at L-2 lol

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Aside: I'm going to consider a "lynch all uwuers" policy for my next game

UwU

OwO

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Will have other opinions later, little busy rn

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VOTE: Wake88

Can we just lynch this?

I'm assuming the lack of response is a no?

Do you think a Wake/Ranger team exists?

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lol cakez joined the site 5 years ago

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VOTE: Fenraiser

@fwocraf Can I get a Tier list from you again?

{Titus} - Conf Town
{CantLynchAPuppy, Norwegian} - Townreads
{Manatee, Ranger, Umlaut, Cakez} - Nullreads
{Fenraiser, Wake} - Slight Scumreads
{Nahdia} - Scumread

Not much has changed except for Fen

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Which oned cakez

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{Manatee, Ranger, Umlaut, Cakez} - Nullreads

Gun to head if you had to pick a side for each of these slots where would they land?

Not much has changed except for Fen

I do find it annoying that he "cleared" Umlaut and myself then used his clear on Umlaut to push me for "setting him up" when he's the one that voted Umlaut yesterday. It's like why I can't fault Nahdia for pressuring osuka who started shitting town yesterday or for not reading the TvT because I personally knew town could do that.

I'm not sure that this makes him scum even if a better position to take would have been to dare Umlaut to lynch Drew (like Umlaut said earlier today). If my post somehow compelled him to stay on Drew out of disgust or survivalism, good, but a not!Manatee/Drew vote at this point seemed irresponsible because my impression was at this point that Manatee was the likelier lynch.

I also dislike how Fen continues to use Drew's eod position on Manatee to develop a read on that slot.


Fen: what is your read on me and what is your read on Nahdia?

I'd say everyone is town except Umlaut

Let's start a wagon on him then if there isn't already

VOTE: Fenraiser

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I think most everyone's WIM has been drained, Especially mine, there's drama all over the place that I'm trying to cope with.

Wake lynch is fine but I want to see how he reacts to votes

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Oh cool this picked up a little bit

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Oh cool this picked up a little bit

I keep pressing refresh expecting another post from you. Where's it at fam?

Got sidetracked

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Luciano's probably town, they feel different from the newbie game i played with them

Cakez trying harder when Luciano got back into the game though is a little strange

I'm fine with Nahdia or Fen today, but if I have to CFD someone Umlaut or Cakez would be fine

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He's engaging me which is why it looks like I'm "trying harder"
It's easier to post stuff when other people are posting

Fair enough

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Now I understand why Norwegian wanted day 1 to end earlier than usual

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Having trouble sleeping (what else is new). Noticed that Norwegian had the most recent post in the forum and was surprised to see it's not here. I'm less willing to give them leeway for being mentally tired when I look at their onsite activity since they have made that post.

I hate to argue meta because it becomes a war of speculation.

Can I ask what makes you feel that the only way to engage right now is to talk about meta? I feel that there's a distinct lack of meta in the points I've introduced. I only really mentioned that meta slightly points me to fwog being town and that Cakez hasn't fit how I've seen him play as town very well this game. You voted for Cakez so that part cannot possibly be an issue for you. Help me understand why it feels like you are content watching the game without actively participating right now.

Meta reads aren't the most trustworthy thing in the world because I've had experience with players making sure they can't be meta read.
1. Their tone is the exact same from both alignments
2. Passion for a game gets people townread most of the time (and about half of the time those people are wolves)
3. I know a person who changes their meta every game to make them basically unreadable.

So while it's ok to compare games between people, I'm just saying sometimes it doesn't work

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@fwog re: Norwegian, care to share?

re: Meta, you aren't arguing that you are scum or that Cakez is town, so what's the point of that post?

I remember norweigan saying that he wanted to end day 1 faster and i think that was because they didnt have any energy to continue discussing reads, lynch options, etc.

With regards to my meta post, im not calling anybody scum or town because that wasnt the point of that post. It was not meant to give my own reads but rather explain that some reads thst are based on meta dont always work

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{Titus} - Conf Town
{Luciano, Norwegian} - Townreads
{Manatee, Ranger, Umlaut, Cakez} - Nullreads
{Wake} - Slight Scumreads
{Nahdia, Fenraiser} - Scumread

Again, nothing changed except for Fen, who is looking really bad now that he hasn't posted in a while

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Wake hasn't posted in over 4 days

Fen hasn't posted in about 2

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Eh, I'll make my own again. Assuming 1189 was correct:

Another blatantly unauthorized vote count with no guarantee of accuracy

Fenraiser (5) - fwogcarf, Titus, SirCakez, Black Ranger, LuckyLuciano
SirCakez (4) - ManateeDude, Umlaut, NorwegianboyEE, Nahdia

Not Voting

(1) - Wake88, Fenraiser

If this is correct Fen will probably get lynched today unless someone switches to cakez or fen votes cakez himself

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Cakez is a horrible wagon. We just haven't been told why. Just jump onto Fen and let Titus play the game solo like she wants to.

Where is the LL from the newbie queue? This LL is much more brash.

We have conflicting wagons. I have no problem with people pursuing a different wagon. The conflicting wagons give us data to go off of tmo.

Just because I feel Fen is scum, doesn't mean others agree. We wagoned Manatee yesterday, and I got on to avoid a no lynch. The group then decided to come back to my lynch pool. I can and will be a team player. What the group decides is what the lynch will be. People independently suspect Fen.

I'm going to let you know the LL from the newbie game was scum

Go figure

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Catching up

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mmk it's obviously serial killer at this point

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So, who are we MISlynching today? Not Titus, I hope. That would be too scummy to push and too hard to achieve. I mean, it's not IMPOSSIBLE (*Smirk*) but I'd rather we get a little more subtle mislynch today that won't require all anri-town slots to be on it.

Note: NOT saying ALL anti-Town were on Fen. I'm saying that's what it would take to get the IC lynched in this game.

You have the worst tone I've ever seen on any site and in any game I've played on.

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Stop being mean towards A50. I love his tone.

It was one post lol

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Stop being mean towards A50. I love his tone.

It's because I said everytime I read a post of his I want to scream "SCUM!" (which is true, btw).

I'm sorry that I have a playstyle that gets me mislynched an incredible amount of times, but deal with it.

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Almost50's high and mighty attitude is why I'm quitting mafia after this game

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@Fwog, attitude aside, how do you feel about his content? He thinks you are scum. Is he wrong? Why?

It feels like an easy townread people are willing to give him. I know he reviewed the entire game but to me that honestly seems like the only way that Wake's slot could possibly survive today. I want to compare him to Wake (previous slot) because he got himself out of the scum!Wake pickle extremely easily.

He's wrong about me being scum, but of course that answer won't cut it for him. I always lose as scum because I try and replicate a town meta of mine, whether I try too hard or don't try at all. When I'm town, I don't replicate anything at all because I have nothing to replicate. When I'm town I play like i have nothing to lose.

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I lied, I'm still watching even though it restarted.

Can you watch the game instead of the timer

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Do you think you have been playing like you have nothing to lose this game? Tbh, you've felt a bit off since I replaced out. What gives?

On Wake, do you think he was behaviorally scummy? The lynch push on him, as I recall, was an activity lynch. If he's town, wouldn't he be able to survive so long as he's not activity lynched on the basis that mafia would never night kill an absent town slot? I'm the one that derailed his lynch last day phase, so if you think he's only able to survive as long as he has as scum, shouldn't that mean that he's had support in surviving. Wouldn't I be that support?

irl stuff. When I began playing this game i was in three other games as well. They're all over now so I can relax a bit.

I don't think I've been playing like I have nothing to lose. Looking back I think I've been playing more seriously than I usually do, especially during D2. Day 1 was shitpost day so I'm fine with that.

I didn't have any influence on the Wake lynch yesterday but I can see possible scum trying to keep him alive in order for his slot to be a distraction. However now that A50 has replaced him and now flowing with content, I think if he isn't dead by tomorrow, he gets closer to being mechanically scum.

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What are you thoughts on the non-A50 slots?

Right now I'd say you and Norwegian are town

Nahdia's slot is still scum, adding onto the lack of content dr easy bake has provided

Manatee feels like guttown but I'm gonna have to reread them because i've completely forgotten their day 1

A50 I'm mixed

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Nahdia's slot is still scum, adding onto the lack of content dr easy bake has provided

Scum-scum or SK-scum?

Could be either but I'm leaning mafia

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Oh shit is Norweigan SK

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Here are 2 questions I asked in my catch up that went unanswered.

@fwogcaf:

OK. Back. And the first post that's worth commenting on is 273 and -again- it's "carf" willing to give "someone" a pass for the day. It's unclear to me whether he meant Drew or Lucky though, as he was quoting Bob's post directed at Drew about Lucky. Elaboration would be much appreciated.

(Putting this up as an isokated post on it's own so it can be easily seen and responded for)

@Titus:

@Titus: Can you explain why you TR carf without the use if the word "feels"?? Please and thank you.

That's referring to Drew. I townread them early on, hence the pass, but as the day went on they started looking worse and worse. All they posted were walls and some of their accusations had empty reasoning

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Now that I think about it Norweigan's had an agenda for a decently long time now. If he's SK now I really understand why he wanted day to end so he could hurry up and kill someone

I'll expand on this after I ISO a bunch of people

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Oh shit is Norweigan SK

Is it Fwog? He had me as TR the whole game before coming up with this post. Which seemed really opportunistic in it’s timing.

Please tell me WHY you made this post.

My gut lurched when you accused Luciano of being SK