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[Gamma Emerald]

Will read in a minute, not in the greatest state rn

[Gamma Emerald]

there are way too many people being useless with their votes.


VOTE: skitter30

yes, plz elaborate on how i'm being useless with my vote in the second post of the game

Why do you assume he’s referring to you? My immediate thought was it was a joke since only 2 votes had been cast thus far.

there are way too many people being useless with their votes.


VOTE: skitter30

yes, plz elaborate on how i'm being useless with my vote in the second post of the game

Did you actually think that I think that bunch of players that haven't even gotten on to post are actually being useless with their vote?

See?

[Gamma Emerald]

nero making a joke = scum nero!?

ngl this could be possible
I feel like he leans more affable as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

what's up gamers!

VOTE: marcistar

why aren't you voting?

Why do you think she should be?

don't feel like scum-ydra joins the wagon for a 'pressure response'

i feel like scum-ydra is more abt vibing, esp. in early game

pedit i mean sure, that's why i said for her

Noted.

[Gamma Emerald]

-probability that fire and ydrasse are a team together
-probability that marci and ydrasse are a team together
-probability that fire and marci are a team together

on account that i think it's less probable that a threesome scumteam in a large would have the gall to agree on a townread together.
i also think it's less likely that fire and ydrasse as scum would type similar reasons that close together

ydrasse can you answer what you're trying to look for from my response

[Gamma Emerald]

if i can pocket nero cain this game i can retire knowing i have done it.
ma will be proud of me

your pocket is fucking discusting. When is the last time you washed those pants?

lul

[Gamma Emerald]

did you roll scum with Datisi -.-

This seems like town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think she should be?

cause that's what gets the game out of a no-information state, voting

also you should know by now Gamma that I constantly hound people to vote their scumreads? we just went over this in Eurybia's curse, being in a state of Not Voting is literally the least useful thing you can do in the game.

But it was RVS and Marci also had very little tangible scumreads in that game

[Gamma Emerald]

firebringer can be town (sorry :<) because his calling out vpbaltar feels Good because i am disliking him too currently

Ur not sorry. Why can't u just believe me when i tell u i am scum

Have you ever actually claimed scum like this as scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma

wassup
I can't see the image

[Gamma Emerald]

did you roll scum again my dear? <3

first of all, no

do you think it's likely i rand scum and then enter townreading you for no reason, after knowing you gave me a lot of shit for that when i was scum?

"How dare you scumread me for doing something that would be suboptimal for me as scum, I intentionally did that so you couldn't call me scum!" -Scumtisi

too true

[Gamma Emerald]

Relly can be town

I think I agree

[Gamma Emerald]

scamper u stink

Marci town

This might have value

[Gamma Emerald]

For I have rolled scum.

so town

I am 99% certain this was a joke but he

DID

claim scum as scum in our last game. I also realize that it's in vogue to joke about being scum or using scummy behavior ala marci in this game. And while I do think that alot of town do this for the lulz its more null from FB.

oh

[Gamma Emerald]

vrej

[Gamma Emerald]

people care about how well they are liked on this site?

I mean, I like being friends with people here!

this
Basically the main reason I play is that it’s social stimulus and I don’t have much alternatives atm when it comes to that

[Gamma Emerald]

I've decided Datisi is scum but we should let him live because he's cool

Datisi I'm putting you in the penalty box, you're gonna need to start wowing me with some better reads to get out

oh good shit guiltylion is town, i can stop completely shitposting now

VOTE: datisi

Why do you always roll scum wtf

don't you wanna let me bus first? :3

but if I expect you to bus you'll eliminate town. and if I expect you to do that you'll bus. better to just slay the dragon imo

*nods in understanding*

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma

wassup
I can't see the image

Update
It appears on mobile

[Gamma Emerald]

Towny: Ausuka, Relly, Marci, Ari

Scummy: HEM, skitter, scamper

[Gamma Emerald]

Towny: Ausuka, Relly, Marci, Ari

Scummy: HEM, skitter, scamper

y am i scummy?

Ur interactions on pg14 seem off

[Gamma Emerald]

Towny: Ausuka, Relly, Marci, Ari

Scummy: HEM, skitter, scamper

y am i scummy?

Ur interactions on pg14 seem off

go on...

I could elaborate but it wouldn’t be concrete

[Gamma Emerald]

Wtf is going on w Aus/Ari/Marci?

[Gamma Emerald]

Towny: Ausuka, Relly, Marci, Ari

Scummy: HEM, skitter, scamper

Why is Ari town? Would love a townread there but can't decide yet personally

It’s not rlly that confident but the way she’s navigating Dats vs. VP seems like town

[Gamma Emerald]

Marci is your role PM the colour of your hair

yes

ok uh I know this sounds stupid and maybe it is BUT


I feel like Marci town here is more likely to give a tonally aggressive response? like "stupid asusuka i dont have green hair" or something. she feels slightly uncomfortable

You do realize that response you gave as an example assumes town PM right
Like, why wouldn’t Marci make a sly scumclaim in response to that?

[Gamma Emerald]

we have to get rip of people who treat mafia sites like dating websites on principle. no more flirting.

why aren't you banned yet then

im a traitor to the cause

they need me to get the rest

snake

[Gamma Emerald]

is that actually nasty- i largely held back

im aware im in a pretty bad mood so it might seem nastier than how i meant it, but also im genuinely frustrated with this game.

well maybe im also frustrated that you can push me and insult me all you want but if i ever scumread you at all i'm such a villain for it

like i'm not sorry that i'm scumreading you. maybe you were hoping insulting me was going to make me feel guilty but i really do not care.

marci says she dislikes how you approach her and your response is to

double down

???

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma

Why u got issues with me bruh?

I thought your post about -partner interactions felt contrived
Too many words for a simple idea

[Gamma Emerald]

Up!

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Marci town here is more likely to give a tonally aggressive response? like "stupid asusuka i dont have green hair" or something. she feels slightly uncomfortable

Ausuka I love you but you did kind of ask for it in a way <3 maybe sorting marci by how aggro she is in tone is not a great idea ^___^ *hugs*[she is scary I was frightened just being a bystander]

ohhh nooo

[Gamma Emerald]

why does that make me scum

The idea is you felt compelled to explain more than necessary because you needed to make sure a thought process was seen

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I feel compelled to try and intervene because I’m getting some flashbacks from what’s going on

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like the answer is pretty obvious?
@HEM

[Gamma Emerald]

< scamper, gamma, eiralox, lions, soft elf >

gamma what do u think of this

I don’t remember anything Eiralox has posted

[Gamma Emerald]

Is that meant as a town block?
I don’t feel comfortable with Eiralox in it yet, everyone else is at least okayish

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm wait a minute

[Gamma Emerald]

scamper u stink

Unless something changed this the townblock idea is off-base

[Gamma Emerald]

idfk
The next logical guess is a scumteam prediction but it doesn’t feel like you’re SR me rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do we need to get into shitfights
This is too good a playerlist to get into squabbles imo

[Gamma Emerald]

< scamper, gamma, eiralox, lions, soft elf >

gamma what do u think of this

I don’t remember anything Eiralox has posted

exactly so what do u think of my list

this made me think it was scum reads but its prob null reads

I’ll go with nullreads myself because townblock and scumteam guess both feel wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s my final answer ftr

[Gamma Emerald]

Bad ones, perhaps

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you should maybe be able to read me rn but idrk how you read me so I can’t say for sure whether you should have a read on me

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do we need to get into shitfights
This is too good a playerlist to get into squabbles imo

Because its mafia. nuff said.

i can't believe no one reacted to my serious claim of vengeful

Pretty sure I’ve played games that were solely goodvibes in the past

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

@skitter tbh I will cop I ate an edible

also just gotta say this is NOT any attempt at a crumb, at no point in the future am I going to claim this was a cop crumb or that this has anything to do with my role, I just used a stupid choice of word

reminds me of a game when I said someone's case was not "bulletproof"

one time on my homesite someone said "close to the vest" and everyone took it as a BP crumb

[Gamma Emerald]

866 is good from skitter I think

I feel I have a better hold on the game now and can agree with xofelf / marci reads

I have a feeling Gamma and FB were both kinda awkward in those early 30 pages too, like surface level commentary in the middle of deeper conversation from other players that felt much more fruitful and interesting that they're not commenting on or engaging with

I'm kinda auxiliary to this game rn, maybe in a bit I'll be more involved at which point maybe this vibe will change
that or I'll just get stuck in the same pot bunker I was in during my time in Eurybia's Curse

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean it in the sense of golf
(I've been watching a lot of Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour speedruns lately)

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

HEM what are your thoughts on me rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: hem dance party wooooo

was this vote serious?

[Gamma Emerald]

what is it based on?

[Gamma Emerald]

HEM what are your thoughts on me rn?

when have you asked me this??

You said your read on me was pending my read on you
I gave thoughts on you, you should be able to form a read now.
VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
Feels like you’re just saying things for the sake of it and not expecting to get called on them

[Gamma Emerald]

mostly just checking if he's claimed scum as town recently[he hasn't]

I remember he did it in anything upick

[Gamma Emerald]

i think scamper as a scum player is probably more likely to be organised and make sure their pushes look Sensible and Towny compared to town scamper who is presumably just vibing and trying to find scum

This might be a good point?

[Gamma Emerald]

mostly just checking if he's claimed scum as town recently[he hasn't]

I remember he did it in anything upick

that is quite a long time ago and I think he was hydraing with a massive troll back then

yes and?

[Gamma Emerald]

It was less than a year ago >:/

[Gamma Emerald]

so it would not be a good game to use as a comparison to his play in this one because its

(1) a long time ago so he's different now

and

(2) he was hydraing with someone so the iso isn't clean and they were also goofing off a lot because his hydra partner is clearly not a good influence on him.

Lmao if you think FB isn’t a regular troll you are sorely mistaken!

[Gamma Emerald]

FB, what do you think of ari's meta defense of you?

wut?
Pretty sure Ari is doing to opposite of defending FB

[Gamma Emerald]

:/

[Gamma Emerald]

FB, what do you think of ari's meta defense of you?

wut?
Pretty sure Ari is doing to opposite of defending FB

VP Balter

, you gonna explain what made you think this?

[Gamma Emerald]

FB, what do you think of ari's meta defense of you?

wut?
Pretty sure Ari is doing to opposite of defending FB

VP Balter

, you gonna explain what made you think this?

Ari is definitely soft defending FB by questioning my vote there. How would you describe it?

Questioning a vote is not defending.

[Gamma Emerald]

How about we just call fb katniss

[Gamma Emerald]

GE I answered you I think you missed it

I don’t see it unless you missed one of my responses

[Gamma Emerald]

ydra town ez

[Gamma Emerald]

Falling behind, had some specific thoughts, and goals for people to iso to unblend them from everybody else tomorrow. I've got some brand new pain meds to try making existing be less garbage, and I'm hopeful I'll accomplish more then.

To keep me accountable as well as my own notes, I wanna iso:
scamper
Ausuka
fireisredsir
humaneatingmonkey

I also would love to hear more from Dunnstral as that's somebody I've played before so I have past gut to compare to.

:thumbs_up:

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not really against the idea of carpet bombing the lurkers if they aren't going to play/post (looking at you Dunn!)

good post tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Wagon noted. No content to add for probably 24 hours sorry. Feel free to keep voting me though I like when I know a wagon is on town, makes vca easier

this feels rather awkward

[Gamma Emerald]

hey gamma

do you have any fresh reads you wanna share

xof and nero I think I'm willing to call town atp
why you asking?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: eiralox
idrg what this wagon is about but I'll give it a try

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll explain the vote later
and I don't fault you for not remembering anything I've done, I've not really tried to do much because it's not my MO in large games to actually do a lot early

[Gamma Emerald]

xof and nero I think I'm willing to call town atp

why?

xof is mostly for the post I quoted
nero I think is being abrasive like he is as town, based on all the talk about shitfights and his proximity to that

[Gamma Emerald]

hey gamma

do you have any fresh reads you wanna share

xof and nero I think I'm willing to call town atp
why you asking?

Do you think it's unreasonable in some way for Datisi to ask you for reads

I give reads at my own pace so I wanted to know why Datisi wanted more from me

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: eiralox
idrg what this wagon is about but I'll give it a try

It looks like they are being replaced, yeah? Why vote them?

fr?
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

i agree that replace outs are +scum after pressure especially in this environment
from modding newbie games, i recognized a pattern of people replacing out when it becomes too overwhelming to reassert yourself as town

Gonna set the record straight on this, I may have done this a while ago but not anymore
Feel like there was lingering doubts about this during LN 239

[Gamma Emerald]

ari you feel very dead this game

that's true

I am trying to play support this game.

is there a reason why

caring too much about what should be a hobby for fun is not good for me and those I might hurt along the way.

and is also a convenient cover story for when you're scum
though i'm not sure you'll be the type of scum who would differentiate their scum game from their town game just from the sheer amount of experience you have

ick

[Gamma Emerald]

i agree that replace outs are +scum after pressure especially in this environment
from modding newbie games, i recognized a pattern of people replacing out when it becomes too overwhelming to reassert yourself as town

i think juice siteflaked so that replace out is nai



however i want to

VOTE: ConManMick

because i did not like that first post at all


however, i want to note in doing so i still find relly sus and his responses on the last page did not really move the needle for me

In response to your previous, I threw down a vote because I think it's a waste of time to be not voting, especially when there are no near-elim wagons.
I read the first 15ish pages last night when I requested the slot and a couple of folks are on my radar, off the top of my head joining in Datisi was most memorable of those so sent it there.
Question is:
If my slot flaking is nai, and you only dislike my first post, why is it better to vote me than stick to your read that you've mentioned on irellephant, which I presume you have developed far more over the preceding 60ish pages?

Would you say you are typically a composed person?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma will explain when I have more time

:/
This better be good.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma will explain when I have more time

:/
This better be good.

can i vote u too

*shrug*

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Dannflor might be in The Claire Zone where my read on him is predominantly determined by how he reads me

[Gamma Emerald]

I've seen many players open with RQS or something similar and I think more than half the time they have been scum

it's not something I would base a confident read on alone but I've seen it happen enough times that my reaction is always negative

Some people (like me!) do RQS as a NAI thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Mine

[Gamma Emerald]

HEM check: Also somebody who makes me smile to read. A bit more aggressive style, but it's consistently so and not defensive or mean. It works for me. It's a lot more reactiony, which is fine. That being said, it feels like he's got cards to play but he's keeping them to himself and only teasing hints of them now and then. I don't think it's AI. It's just more, has a reason to only share thoughts when they're relevant and the most likely to get genuine reactions from their thoughts. Precise is probably more correct. It reminds me of what I've liked from FlavorLeaf in the past. I largely feel good about him. It's just as possible this is just good scumplay, but nah I don't think so.

[Gamma Emerald]

do u feel invested in this game gamma

not exactly

[Gamma Emerald]

i agree that replace outs are +scum after pressure especially in this environment
from modding newbie games, i recognized a pattern of people replacing out when it becomes too overwhelming to reassert yourself as town

i think juice siteflaked so that replace out is nai



however i want to

VOTE: ConManMick

because i did not like that first post at all


however, i want to note in doing so i still find relly sus and his responses on the last page did not really move the needle for me

In response to your previous, I threw down a vote because I think it's a waste of time to be not voting, especially when there are no near-elim wagons.
I read the first 15ish pages last night when I requested the slot and a couple of folks are on my radar, off the top of my head joining in Datisi was most memorable of those so sent it there.
Question is:
If my slot flaking is nai, and you only dislike my first post, why is it better to vote me than stick to your read that you've mentioned on irellephant, which I presume you have developed far more over the preceding 60ish pages?

Would you say you are typically a composed person?

Yeah I don't know, that's not really for me to say. I might like to think so. Why?

your response to scamper felt rather unshaken when I felt it would make more sense to be a bit rattled so I was curious if you would call that your normal method of response

[Gamma Emerald]

do u have any reads i can steal

not really any that I haven’t shared yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, when I have the time to do so, I look at people in isolation just like I did today. I just don't always give the list of who I'm looking at before I do so.

Okay, why the change?

Making dinner, will be back later.

...

This feels rather hypercritical

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

whats on ur mind sis

literally nothing lol

i got so spoiled by smaller games + short deadline ones now that im like

information overloaded

jus removing it while i try to stew

(try operative word)

you dropped off this game
you and marci
hang around with us, we wanna hear your thoughts

i have dropped off this game and pretty sure i have used those words before u about myself. get with the program

im enjoying this game rn as a spectator sport and making my silly little reads in my head

mood

[Gamma Emerald]

What's that again?

I haven't been able to locate the primary source. My interpretation:

If a

known

shitposter shitposts and doesn't try to convince anyone they're town then they're probably town.

Why is it called the Luca Blight tell?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why isn't Gamma pushing me based on tone yet?

OHOHOHO!
I’m not pushing you on tone because that’s a lie you deluded yourself into thinking is true, that I tone read you and am always wrong on it! In addition, I did not scumread you the past 6 straight games we’ve played, I actually solved you as town in mini 2238 before you pushed me out.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald this is a scum slot I think

HEMs early stuff I thought town and also VP but a few things struck me as off from both and I would like to look back properly at both.
I don't particularly think FB is town but I can wait for him to kick into gear for now and he's done enough that I am not auto scumreading so I don't want to vote there right now.
I am interested in seeing more of Xof's iso dives to see what kind of content is there
I will look at some stuff in the morning. I'm trying to just chuck down rough notes so I don't have to start fresh so I appreciate this is a bit halfhazard.

I don't like how cagey this feels and I don't like the excuses for:

• *Not expanding on the VP and HEM reads
  *Posting in order to use the thread as a notepad

At this rate I'll say there's probably a scum in Gamma, xo, Conman

lmao I was thinking you are scum here from your xof read

[Gamma Emerald]

The main thing I know about you is that you drunkpost
Given that I’m not expecting the most composed thoughts
I guess that’s kinda rude of me to assume such a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma calling me and HEM scummy in 487 feels weird to me. i acknowledge i'm probably biased, but i'm pretty sure i would've read skitter's posts as townie anyway, and HEM is one of the most townie people by far. scamper is also among my top towns for something i noted before, so their whole group of scumreads feels bad, and like, i'm not seeing their perspective at all, which could mean they're mafia.

This feels like a hokey attempt to cloak an OMGUS read

[Gamma Emerald]

I also see Frog and obscure being pally, kinda makes me think I’m onto something
VOTE: Frogsterking
I’ll go here first because I think there’s better traction here

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma can you explain more now why you wanted to wait to explain your eiralox vote?

Yeah I was hoping to pressure Eiralox but failed to remember he was getting replaced

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I also see Frog and obscure being pally, kinda makes me think I’m onto something
VOTE: Frogsterking
I’ll go here first because I think there’s better traction here

This is the reaction I was expecting from a scum!Gamma.

Based on what, exactly?

[Gamma Emerald]

Efobbbio?

[Gamma Emerald]

thats L-1 claim

I’m calling your bluff

[Gamma Emerald]

What else is there to say until/unless I fact check that game?

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Not a reaction to you actually
Maybe get over yourself?

[Gamma Emerald]

Not a reaction to you actually
Maybe get over yourself?

You were rolling your eyes at...the votecount?

Yes
More specifically, it proving Nero’s poorly-constructed bluff as just that

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald (4): Irrelephant11, fireisredsir, Frogsterking, Nero Cain
GuiltyLion (3): skitter30, DeasVail, Dannflor
Dannflor (2): humaneatingmonkey, GuiltyLion
Irrelephant11 (2): Datisi, Aristeia
Firebringer (1): VP Baltar
VP Baltar (1): Ausuka
obscure (1): Firebringer
ConManMick (1): scamper
Aristeia (1): ConManMick
Frogsterking (1): Gamma Emerald
Not voting (3): marcistar, xofelf, Ydrasse
Day 1 will end in [Deadline is paused at 8 days and 4 hours]. With 20 alive, 11 is needed to lim and 10 to no lim.

What are the cases for GL/relly?
I don’t think I care for the “Eiralox is RWSTFO scum” case as it’s presented rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I think hem, scamper, neros, marci, and Fire(s) are Town.

Nero and scamper I’ll give a thumbs up
redfire I can call tentative town, katniss I still think is kinda reminiscent of anything uPick but I’m more wary there than I was before
HEM I don’t understand a TR on rn
Marci I feel like is kinda skirting around me here, I want her to be a bit more direct I think, altho there’s a plausible explanation to why she’d be acting this way in this game specifically

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What are the cases for GL/relly?
I don’t think I care for the “Eiralox is RWSTFO scum” case as it’s presented rn

my read on relly is in 1149

despite the presentation i am not strongly confident in the read or anything and dont expect people to be convinced to lim him on day 1

Uhhh come again? 1149 is saying you’ll explain later

[Gamma Emerald]

HEM I don’t understand a TR on rn

what's stopping you?

tbh I think on further inspection it’s unfair to expect anyone that isn’t me or Ari to get this but your handling of her does not look right, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder that should only exist as scum
So change “understand” to “endorse”

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay trying to exit the thread is harder than I thought. I have a snappy comeback but is it worth posting?? I mean might as well huh

Snappy comeback: “I townread all the talkative people and scumread the quiet ones. And I’m having trouble nailing people down in both categories, Irrelephant, btw, is scum for townreading all the talkative people and scum reading the quiet ones, and having trouble nailing people down in both categories”

Why was this the part you thought needed addressing? That was 1 out of like 4 points against you

[Gamma Emerald]

HEM I don’t understand a TR on rn

what's stopping you?

tbh I think on further inspection it’s unfair to expect anyone that isn’t me or Ari to get this but your handling of her does not look right, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder that should only exist as scum
So change “understand” to “endorse”

handling of who?
what about makes makes you think "chip on my shoulder"

Aristeia
I don’t understand the second line

[Gamma Emerald]

Is doing ISO's normal for XO? I ask b/c

It's more I observe more and wait for something to hit in a certain way

b/c saying that your playstyle is to sit back and observe doesn't really mesh with being proactive and reading ISOs

or am I just reading way into this?

I can comprehend how “wait for something to ping” and “do ISOs when feeling out of it” can co-exist

[Gamma Emerald]

what about me makes you think i have a chip on my shoulder
what about my handling of her makes it not look right

I think you’re salty about last game and want to exact vengeance upon the one that sniffed you out, or at the very least you’re scared of a repeat

[Gamma Emerald]

ari you feel very dead this game

that's true

I am trying to play support this game.

is there a reason why

caring too much about what should be a hobby for fun is not good for me and those I might hurt along the way.

and is also a convenient cover story for when you're scum
though i'm not sure you'll be the type of scum who would differentiate their scum game from their town game just from the sheer amount of experience you have

This is probably the post that pinged me the most

[Gamma Emerald]

Marci I feel like is kinda skirting around me here, I want her to be a bit more direct I think, altho there’s a plausible explanation to why she’d be acting this way in this game specifically

i am v bad at reading friends so am hesitant
but i thought u were scummy, i dont think ur motivated to be here and solve as much as our recently town game, i think you've been mostly asking questions and making side comments instead of making suses. i thought ur reaction to my og naked hitslist seemed pretty faked.

man idk what else im tired
i just wanna think more but thinking hard zzz

What about it seemed faked? Like, I feel like I was very obviously trying to parse it
And you also thought I was sus in Eurybia’s Curse so uhhh…?

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but real talk, I was suspicious of gamma earlier b/c I feel like when he's scum he does this active lurk thing where he asks a few questions and comments on stuff and I got that some vibe here. Like its possible that it could just be a playstyle thing and it's done regardless of alignment but yeah.

I was also agreeing with Frog that I thought Gamma's OMGUS onto Frog looked pretty scummy.

The other thing is and I'll try to explain this but you guys know how you can tell what the setup is going to be based on game size? like a mini is usually going to be a 10/3 split and anything above that but below 21 is 4 so on and so forth. So in some game, Gamma had overestimated the # of scum in the game (to make himself look uninformed). So when him and Ari were guessing what Marci's list of 5 players was and he (I think they both did actually) guessed that it was a scumteam. And so that kinda reminded me of him doing that. IDK if that really makes sense to anyone else.

idfk
The next logical guess is a scumteam prediction but it doesn’t feel like you’re SR me rn

Your math is off
It’s not “anywhere between 13 and 21 is 4 scum”
Generally the number of scum is the number of players minus one, divided by four
So 15-19 is where you should expect 4 scum

[Gamma Emerald]

your response to that is to just discredit my math?

That first part feels false but I think that’s pretty obv

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma fwiw i've talked with hem about that game and he is a very nice person and I don't think he would be the type to have a "chip on the shoulder" or grudge or whatever towards me?

Noted

[Gamma Emerald]

scamper
Nero Cain
fireisredsir
Aristeia

Ausuka
Datisi
xofelf
DeasVail

marcistar
VP Balter
Frogsterking
Dannflor
obscure
humaneatingmonkey
Gamma Emerald

Irrelephant11
GuiltyLion


ConManMick
Firebringer

~

my reads have shifted around a lot and a lot of the game i feel is in a place where its like "could go either way" but the middle chunk there is either i've had reasoning to see the person as both alignments or not enough info to discern lol

my wolfleans are very much vibe based and hard to verbalize. it's sort of just "this posting feels slimy to me, i guess it's a tone thing?"

a lot of people moved down a few bumped up

i havent really made sense of the wagons moving around yet (it feels like they havent a lot) but thats a d2 thing which should clear up some

feel more solid about townreads but even then confidence is hand wiggle

{ydrasse, ausuka, gamma emerald}
{frogsterking, marcistar, nero cain}
{aristeia, firebringer}
{deasvail, xofelf, guiltylion, datisi}

{hem, fireisredsir, obscure, vp baltar, dannflor}

{conmanmick, irrelephant}

i doubt my townreads are all perfect, because its near impossible to have perfect reads on day 1 of a 20 player game, and i doubt i managed to get the entire scumteam in 7 names. usually theres someone i end up being overly generous with my read, usually somewhere in the middle of my townreads. but i feel okay-ish with where im at for mid d1 of a large game.

I don't really get the scumreads on CMM but I do not townread him either

[Gamma Emerald]

Why isn't Gamma pushing me based on tone yet?

OHOHOHO!
I’m not pushing you on tone because that’s a lie you deluded yourself into thinking is true, that I tone read you and am always wrong on it! In addition, I did not scumread you the past 6 straight games we’ve played, I actually solved you as town in mini 2238 before you pushed me out.

I feel like a little shocked Nero didn’t have any notable reaction to this

[Gamma Emerald]

what about me makes you think i have a chip on my shoulder
what about my handling of her makes it not look right

I think you’re salty about last game and want to exact vengeance upon the one that sniffed you out, or at the very least you’re scared of a repeat

this feels wild enough to be +town ?

this is valid
Ausuka actually has the context for why I thought this

Ok so my reads list is something like

{Irrelephant, Marci, Nero, scamper, Ydrasse}
{Aristeia, Gamma, Guiltylion, humaneatingmoney, obscure, xofelf}
{Deasvail, Firebringer, Froggy}
{Datisi, fireisredsir}
{ConManMick, Dannsflor, VP Baltar}

Ftr I am starting to reconsider Datisi because even though I think he's been scummy I suck hard at reading him and I don't think he's doing much in the pursuit of like being Super Town and positioning himself for endgame? Does that makes sense??

Also these reads are more "vibes" than "people sorted by actual probability of being scum based on their scumrange and my ability to read them"

Noticing multiple SRs on Dann, I do wanna know what’s up w that because I feel like he does have an odd habit of getting yeeted D1 as scum, tho only 1 instance comes to mind immediately

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma emerald

- god, this iso feels *boring*. i'm putting her at slightly-scum because i gathered literally nothing that jumped at me from that iso that interested me at all, and that's probably scummy. idk i'll think about this slot when there's something to think about.

I feel like you aren’t actually trying to find things to read me on, as I’ve actually done things I would consider readable atp

[Gamma Emerald]

do you ever like

have a moment

like, just for funsies i just went to see the last time i made a triangle readslist, it was in a scumgame (viewtopic.php?p=13426825#p13426825)

and i see that in that readslist, i also called gamma's iso boring

is that a sign that gamma is town here?? maybe!! let's interpret it that way and not the other way (:

Hm
I still think you should actually be able to have a real read on me by now but this makes the lack of one feel less scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma emerald

- god, this iso feels *boring*. i'm putting her at slightly-scum because i gathered literally nothing that jumped at me from that iso that interested me at all, and that's probably scummy. idk i'll think about this slot when there's something to think about.

I feel like you aren’t actually trying to find things to read me on, as I’ve actually done things I would consider readable atp

please enlighten me then

I think you should be able to get something from my interactions w Nero and Frog

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma calling me and HEM scummy in 487 feels weird to me. i acknowledge i'm probably biased, but i'm pretty sure i would've read skitter's posts as townie anyway, and HEM is one of the most townie people by far. scamper is also among my top towns for something i noted before, so their whole group of scumreads feels bad, and like, i'm not seeing their perspective at all, which could mean they're mafia.

This feels like a hokey attempt to cloak an OMGUS read

just googled.

OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you. It is a behavior often associated with inexperienced players.

but i think my reasoning was more complex than that. i acknowledged that the personal bias may have played a part, but it was also just drastically seeing things differently as a whole. even if i'm wrong on my townreads on HEM/scamper, i would sort of expect townies not to see so much so completely differently. what was your early reasonings?

I gave reasoning for both previously

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I the only one who thought 20 people meant 5 scum? I thought 17 w/ 4 scum and 21 w/ 5 scum were benchmarks, and this is closer to the latter. Not a big deal, just confused

This is my baseline as well

[Gamma Emerald]

my readlist is around here rn:

town mayor:

scamper

angels:

Ari, Ausuka, Marci, Ydrasse



Probably Good:

Gamma, HEM, Nero, Frogster, GuiltyLion, Obscure

Null+:

xof, Dann, Relly,

Idk:

Deasvail

groupscum:

datisi, vpb, fireisredsir, conmanmick

mafia traitor:

firebringer

Why is redfire scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

i do like the overlap in townreads that most of the people i townread have

maybe willing to just trust scamper's gamma read

definitely willing to find two ish people that are consensus scumread by the towncore and wagon em up and get things moving

frogster seems to be doing good work and being protown. tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment but i do think he's probably town here and i like the approach he's taking so far

What are your own thoughts on me?

[Gamma Emerald]

it would take a lot of time to organize all the thoughts I've had about Datisi. I don't even think it would be very useful tbh.

I'm not actually even sure my conclusion is my conclusion atp, it's just kind of what I feel in this moment after reading his read-list. I don't even really understand why I think this. I just speed skimmed his triangle and ended up with "lol dats rolled scum again"

for fire:


so I thought it didn't make a lot of sense for you to push me to sort me in this game because I don't think anyone's really caught me as scum by wagoning me.

I don't think you would think of me as a scum player who can be sorted with pressure or solved with pressure.

in fact it's almost dangerous in a way to push scum me because I am fairly decent at looking

good

and gaining thread control by getting people to vote for me I think.

and this is something you're

aware of

because you stated you didn't want to give me reasoning for the push because you are worried scum me can just judo flip you and kill you easily because ripping apart bad cases is very easy for me and people here have seen me do it as town to scum and mercilessly kill them. You would be essentially giving me the tools to kill you if I was scum with very little gain or upside for yourself. You can't get me to be yeeted without providing very solid reasoning and you don't have the reasoning or ammo to put into the push.

So why would you push me here if you suspect I'm scum? I actually kind of think you wouldn't if you thought I was scum because you simply don't have the thread influence or reasoning to make a push that is likely to kill me and if you're not likely to kill me then why do I even care? You're basically giving me free weapons and making me look better atp.

what does make sense to me is you are feeling uneasy about your solution in the Turing Test and you want to get a better read of me in that game but

you can't talk to me in that game anymore

so you decide to establish a baseline for me and compare.

How do you establish the baseline? well you push me here and see how I react to a suspicion and try to compare with when you called me scum for a brief moment in that game and see if there's any divergence.

but this method only makes sense to do if you know I'm town here and you're testing for a reaction to compare where you know my actual alignment - it doesn't help you if you

don't know my alignment in this game

because how is the comparison even supposed to work?

Another point that fit into the theory is when GuiltyLion asked you something along the lines of "hey I thought Ari was way scummier in this game than Turing LOL" and you kind of replied with a flat yea.

I feel like the way he talked with you was kind of a spontaneous happy uninformed way while your response was notably flat and felt evasive as if you wanted to hide the line of thought between those two games because you can't say to him well I was comparing her play here to that game to evaluate whether she's scum in that game because it would give away that you know what my alignment in this game is.


Anyway that was the thread that's been going through my head but I recognize it's not like very good reasoning and probably not what happened here regardless of your alignment and i'm just hoping you get to like be closer to your town game in that game and carry me to a win here because I like being carried <3

That is one hell of a theory
Do you think redfire is someone to pull that sort of cross-game gambit? I did that sort of thing sometimes before the OGI rule change, after which I’ve felt uncomfortable doing it

[Gamma Emerald]

If I had to pick between Dann and Conman I'd say that Dann is scummier and it also feels like Dann has sorta disappeared? I think VP is scummy. But remember, I'm town and my reads are bad.

Why are you self-deprecating here?

[Gamma Emerald]

i do like the overlap in townreads that most of the people i townread have

maybe willing to just trust scamper's gamma read

definitely willing to find two ish people that are consensus scumread by the towncore and wagon em up and get things moving

frogster seems to be doing good work and being protown. tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment but i do think he's probably town here and i like the approach he's taking so far

What are your own thoughts on me?

i think i have a lot of trouble not just inherently reading a lot of what you say as fake and so i think it's better for me to outsource my read on you to other people

when i read your posts i still read you as scummy but it feels kinda the same as when i did in frenemies, until i figured out you were a mason and dropped it

Fair enough
I kinda wanna know what comes off as fake, in this game in particular I do see how I could feel that way

[Gamma Emerald]

Dannflor (5): humaneatingmonkey, GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, Ausuka, Datisi
ConManMick (4): scamper, Ydrasse, Aristeia, VP Baltar
GuiltyLion (3): skitter30, DeasVail, Dannflor
Gamma Emerald (3): Irrelephant11, fireisredsir, Nero Cain
obscure (1): Firebringer
Aristeia (1): ConManMick
Frogsterking (1): Gamma Emerald
Not voting (2): marcistar, xofelf
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-09 23:15:00). With 20 alive, 11 is needed to lim and 10 to no lim.
Mod notes: no weird pictures have some music

Ayo redfire, you still good w your vote?

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it sexist that I think the whole scumteam might be men? #notallmen (please don't take this hashtag seriously it is a funny joke - but also I really do townread most of the female/feminine players)

Men will really be mafia instead of go to therapy

I thought nothing of it until you mentioned it?

[Gamma Emerald]

hem do you have any good opinions on me yet

i like your triangle

Why? And what do you make of the accompanying reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

You said you wanted to defer to scamper’s read and scamper is townreading me

[Gamma Emerald]

You posted that you wanted to go with Scamper while still voting me
You then changed votes after that VC post
Why did you lose track of your vote?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you self-deprecating here?

I'm being mostly tongue in cheek but

I expect town!nero to have bad reads

did you feel like this was an important question to ask?

Yes
It felt out-of-place for your personality
Why did you feel like snarking back at Ari for saying that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also it’s a bit disturbing you didn’t say that until dozens of pages later

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve actually been townreading you so far but this is souring that rapidly

[Gamma Emerald]

did you do a reads list? supposedly thats what we are all doing now

I’ve been considering doing one
I don’t feel particularly pressed to do it though

[Gamma Emerald]

When have you caught me before, with the exception of LN239?

[Gamma Emerald]

but on a more serious note, (for better or worse) it feels like we are getting close to deciding on ending the day in a con or dann vote and apparently we are all doing reads lists to compare where we are all at at you not really wanting to provide us with your reads is

I could post my thoughts as they are at this exact moment but I think some refinements could be done first
There’s only a few slots I feel like need more examination though

[Gamma Emerald]

I've caught you in several games. Wich ones the were I don't specifically remember but I know I have so...

The problem is you’ve also wrongly called me scum quite a bit recently (as in, within the past year or so)
MN 2238, LN 235, and LN 233 come to mind

[Gamma Emerald]

Trust: scamper, Ausuka, Aristeia, xofelf, ydrasse, fireisredsir, marcistar
Middle ground: DeasVail, Firebringer, Nero Cain, VP Baltar, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Distrust: ConManMick, Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Frogsterking, obscure

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma will explain when I have more time

:/
This better be good.

it’s not that good

Yeah it was mostly just that you were underwhelming me compared to most active players. Idk what my read on you is currently

Okay trying to exit the thread is harder than I thought. I have a snappy comeback but is it worth posting?? I mean might as well huh

Snappy comeback: “I townread all the talkative people and scumread the quiet ones. And I’m having trouble nailing people down in both categories, Irrelephant, btw, is scum for townreading all the talkative people and scum reading the quiet ones, and having trouble nailing people down in both categories”

Why was this the part you thought needed addressing? That was 1 out of like 4 points against you

Because it was the part I found hypocritical. Also you could say “why that part? It was 1 out of like 4 points against you” regardless of which part I responded to?

That was the least salient part to respond to imo
Bump relly down in the read list

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean, Gamma is going to be fairly scummy regardless of alignment, ya know what I mean?

I don’t mean to just echo Ari, but like, if you think this is the case, maybe you should try a different metric to read me than whatever you have been using?

[Gamma Emerald]

I've caught you in several games. Wich ones the were I don't specifically remember but I know I have so...

The problem is you’ve also wrongly called me scum quite a bit recently (as in, within the past year or so)
MN 2238, LN 235, and LN 233 come to mind

I mean, ok? I know I've misread you sometimes but that doesn't nullify my point that I've also correctly called you scum [in multiple games] or are you trying to claim that I haven't? You scum read me based on tone for a dozen games and I was town in each one of them. There was the Lickety Quickety guy that called me scum like clock work or Pirate Mollie who only called me scum when she was town. There are dozens of other players that call me scum all the time and there are dozens of other players that misread other player all the time. There's a chance that none of us are really that good at reading others and some of us just have bigger egos.

My point is that you seem to just default scumread me just because you can’t be bothered to actually adapt to players who don’t fit your mold of reading people

[Gamma Emerald]

Trust: scamper, Ausuka, Aristeia, xofelf, ydrasse, fireisredsir, marcistar
Middle ground: DeasVail, Firebringer,

Nero Cain

, VP Baltar, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Distrust: ConManMick, Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Frogsterking, obscure

ftr I think your word choice of trust/middle ground/distrust over the traditional tow/null/scum is a little odd but

I’ve actually been townreading you so far but this is souring that rapidly

Why were you tow reading me before and why did I only fall to middle ground and not distrust?

Why did you not join the con wagon?

Because there’s only one point that made me not think you were town, which was the self-deprecating joke, which felt a little like covering yourself potentially, but I think I will just leave things at that
Didn’t vote CMM because I low key want to see some people explain they’re voting there

[Gamma Emerald]

Didn’t vote CMM because I low key want to see some people explain they’re voting there

This feels a little inconsistent with joining the wagon on Eiralox and not explaining for the purposes of pressure?

I feel like you can work out why people might be voting there?

If I recall a few people joined the Eiralox wagon without much explanation after fireisred, why is this different?

Something feels different between the two instances but I get how they seem similar

[Gamma Emerald]

I get a bad vibe from your new avi Dats

[Gamma Emerald]

It was intended, noted

[Gamma Emerald]

What's your opinion on aristeia? You know her better than me, tell me what you think of her play vs what you expect to see and all that jazz

i made a readslist a few pages ago!!!

tldr she can be either lazy town or lazy scum rn. slightly leaning town based on vibes but only slightly. if she's scum, hear team is probably doing at least okay which is why she isn't trying to brute force stuff.

i will keep you updated if something happens that makes me read her more strongly one way or another.

I feel like I’ve seen someone describe me like this in a game once
Was it you?

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma, Marci, Conman]

im not scum

DV talk to me about Marci please I am townreading her right now

why do u tr me even LMAO im living my best life!!

???

[Gamma Emerald]

come on! gammas clearly lurking

Bruh
Sorry for enjoying myself playing video games, ffs

[Gamma Emerald]

bcuz i said so

hold on lemme get to work first and then ill rock ur world!!

VOTE: Marci
Not letting you pull this shit

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma, Marci, Conman]

im not scum

DV talk to me about Marci please I am townreading her right now

why do u tr me even LMAO im living my best life!!

???

like you had time to wuestion this but not time to stick around and explain more..? or even time to write out why its weird in the og post?

I was stuck in the middle of playing my game and getting ready for dinner
As for why it’s weird, you’re saying you aren’t scum in rxn to someone calling you scum but you’re also balking at Ausuka TRing you
How SHOULD people be reading you?

[Gamma Emerald]

see why r u so pressed if its untrue?!?!?!

I’m “pressed” because I kinda feel like this is a bit grimy on your part
If you’re gonna make a push like this then I am gonna have to raise my shields on you going forward

do you not even want me to let me make the case?!?!? are you scared honey ; )

If you actually bother to make a case that’s great but as it stands you’re just pushing me for lurking and “because I said so” which won’t fly

[Gamma Emerald]

I was stuck in the middle of playing my game and getting ready for dinner
As for why it’s weird, you’re saying you aren’t scum in rxn to someone calling you scum but you’re also balking at Ausuka TRing you
How SHOULD people be reading you?

so why post at all if ur busy?? i dont get it..

how is it weird

i state facts (im not scum)
and then i ask why someone actully trs me bcuz i wanna see why!??!?! should i just blindly acxept ppl tring me?!?!

Clearly I can only post if I’m able to fully devote my attention to a game, GOT IT

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma emerald
Fuck this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like you should know I am easily distracted and thus the lurking push does not feel like it has honest motives
I also think your point about “you’re playing like me” feels like a lazy read. I would expect you to attempt to parse what is causing me to feel like that, but instead you’re leaping to calling it scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma emerald
Fuck this game.

can u not

I feel like a lot of the push against me is in bad faith so I kinda think flipping me would be good to force everyone on me to cover their asses for it

[Gamma Emerald]

idfk marci
Either you’re town making a shit-awful push because you don’t know how to play better or you’re scum hiding behind seemingly bad play. But you’re starting to legitimately piss me off here.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel as betrayed by the lurking push rn but there’s definitely an off vibe from marci still

[Gamma Emerald]

Go wild.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m waiting.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel as betrayed by the lurking push rn but there’s definitely an off vibe from marci still

why does it feel like someone told u to backdown

I looked back over our logs and realized I never told you about my Calamity playthrough
So I had no real reason to expect you to know exactly what I was doing

[Gamma Emerald]

how would you describe your play this game so far, marci?

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I think GL might actually know me better than marci when it comes to how I act in the game

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: conmanmick
I may change this later but that wall of responses feels a bit salty-scum like

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s a bit of a reason why I said that in the vote post

@marci, I think I would describe your play slightly differently
What would you say is this towniest and scummiest thing you’ve done so far this game?

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s a bit of a reason why I said that in the vote post

wich is?

I may end up suspecting someone else more and pushing for a lim on that person

I never told you about my Calamity playthrough

I still want to know what this is. Was it a game?

it's a mod for a game

[Gamma Emerald]

On Gamma, I agree that my experience with him is much more emotion as town. My reservation there is that I had literally just called Gamma out about that right before the outburst, so seems like it could be fake.

hrrrng
pls don't start, my spirit is kinda broken rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm semi-confused on how you go from scumreading xoelf, to town reading them by proxiy (which maybe I can believe...you're weird sometimes), to seemingly taking xo's reads as a factor into your own reads. I find that last step less believable.

Frogster, did you answer this? I may have missed if you did.

Froggy, you indeed didn't answer this.

Can you explain your thinking?

I wonder if I would bus con man if they were on my team here.

This feels towny
Like, it takes a second to get it but there’s a definite thought process here that has nuance

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm semi-confused on how you go from scumreading xoelf, to town reading them by proxiy (which maybe I can believe...you're weird sometimes), to seemingly taking xo's reads as a factor into your own reads. I find that last step less believable.

Frogster, did you answer this? I may have missed if you did.

Froggy, you indeed didn't answer this.

Can you explain your thinking?

I wonder if I would bus con man if they were on my team here.

I'm semi-confused on how you go from scumreading xoelf, to town reading them by proxiy (which maybe I can believe...you're weird sometimes), to seemingly taking xo's reads as a factor into your own reads. I find that last step less believable.

Frogster, did you answer this? I may have missed if you did.

Froggy, you indeed didn't answer this.

Can you explain your thinking?

I wonder if I would bus con man if they were on my team here.

This feels towny
Like, it takes a second to get it but there’s a definite thought process here that has nuance

There are other reasons to TR frogster. Being an annoying isn't one of them.

It feels low-key like something I would post, that sort of “I expect people to make this logical connection”

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually wait a minute I might have assumed a step that wasn’t there

[Gamma Emerald]

[dkkoba voice:] scum self hammer means there's a busser on wagon

and i promise it's not me this game

it's baltar tbh

bet
I’ve seen NK15 self-hammer with a bus vote E-1 at least once, maybe two or three times

[Gamma Emerald]

WAIT I thought we had until September 8th? I was going to read more before it ended... can we still talk? Do we know if they're mafia?

Most games have the day end once a vote has been decided rather than always running to deadline
There’s sometimes a period to talk between the hammer vote and the start of the night phase known as twilight

[Gamma Emerald]

painted fingernails emoji

what does this meeeeaaaan

[Gamma Emerald]

painted fingernails emoji

what does this meeeeaaaan

it means im waiting for the flip

Okay
I saw you or someone else use it earlier and this also explains that I’m p sure

[Gamma Emerald]

Shea acting like me being on the periphery early on is some big deal is kinda
VOTE: Marcistar
I think we should explore this option today.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm really interested in what people think about what i think about obscure.

Because i was not happy when i came to the conclusions i did. So sanity checks appreciated.

It’s not bad I think
I wasn’t really scanning for excessive noob card usage but from your scan it seems that was going on and I’ve def seen scum use it to great effect

[Gamma Emerald]

My understanding is that it's a pain in the ass to do.

Why not just create a new account and ask for it to be made your new main?

[Gamma Emerald]

My understanding is that it's a pain in the ass to do.

Why not just create a new account and ask for it to be made your new main?

Why are you talking about this instead of literally anything else

Because I don’t see much else worth poking rn
You didn’t respond to my comment to you before, I noted

[Gamma Emerald]

My understanding is that it's a pain in the ass to do.

Why not just create a new account and ask for it to be made your new main?

Why are you talking about this instead of literally anything else

Because I don’t see much else worth poking rn
You didn’t respond to my comment to you before, I noted

You're right, because I didnt really know how to respond to you dismissing my points like that and I figured we'd get to it later.

It’s a point others have made and I’ve acknowledged already. You trying to dig it back up gives bad vibes.

[Gamma Emerald]

The dogpiling jokes aside I will give something_smart a chance to get involved in the game I suppose.

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma who are the scum and why

Marci
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else

[Gamma Emerald]

The dogpiling jokes aside I will give something_smart a chance to get involved in the game I suppose.

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma who are the scum and why

Marci
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else

When do you come by these scum reads?

I know thats a weird question so let me rephrase.

How long have you thought each person on that list could be scum?

I only came to full-on scumread Marci recently
You’re also recent (altho I think you replaced Relly so the recency may change based on that, I thought Relly was sus as well late into D1)
I thought skitter was scummy and also think you have good points against obscure
HEM has been in my scumreads for a while

Marci
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else

why so few scum reads?

That’s kinda meant to be a teamguess attempt
So I’m focusing on my leading suspects
A good number of the people in my distrust list I has earlier could qualify as scum suspects

[Gamma Emerald]

You also missed a key part of my question, which I'd still like you to answer

@gamma

I’ll get into the other reads later but for Marci specifically I think according to her own self-meta, she’s playing as I’d predict she would as scum. Her rudeness (she self-describes her play as sometimes rude so I don’t feel there’s a problem saying this) in parts feels a fair bit off-kilter.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you push any of these yesterday is I guess the point I'm driving at? I don't recall you doing so but I did skim the end of the day pretty aggressively.

I believe I pushed HEM some, skitter less so but maybe a tiny bit

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you care about who got flipped d1?

I guess a better question is, do you usually care as town who is flipped d1?

Because thats what I'm struggling with here. It seems like you didnt care who was flipped at all.

Like maybe you expressed some suspicion of HEM or skitter somewhere, but I didn't see a lot of evidence that you had any meaningful investment in getting them yeeted.

I didn’t really care, actually. And I think if that surprises you to see me act this way then either you weren’t paying attention to my D1 gameplay in TM 2021, or you’re overlooking it for what I have to presume are nefarious reasons.

[Gamma Emerald]

And now your scum team which you've now explicitly said was a team guess includes me and a person who basically no one had expressed any suspicion of until I brought it up in a game where the wolves just lost a member on N1.

Which doesn't make a whole ton of sense to me either.

What the hell are you talking about?

You do realize

I said “one of”, right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok I actually did the thing and briefly skimmed gammas iso in white flag which is the team mafia game she is referring to.

(viewtopic.php?t=74687&f=127&st=0&sk=t&s ... er_sort=Go) for anyone wondering.

And I have to say...I find your day one play there completely different in a lot of different ways. And the most obvious one is that you DO seem invested in finding scum and flipping someone you're suspicious of. You DO seem invested in engaging with people about their reads. You DO feel like you're trying to scum hunt.

Now, its a team mafia game so everyone amps up their tryhard a little bit for those games so I don't think its like definitive or anything, but its the game YOU brought up as the one where I should remember as you playing like you're playing here as town is normal.

And its simply not. It's not remotely the same. It's not even close.

No, wrong. I specifically said TM 2021. You were in that one, though not in my game, but know FOR A FACT you were there!

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s kinda meant to be a teamguess attempt
So I’m focusing on my leading suspects
A good number of the people in my distrust list I has earlier could qualify as scum suspects

but you suggested that there were 5 scum earlier so why is your team guess only 3? I know you'll point to your 3rd sentence but I still find it odd that your guess was only 3 hard reads and not 5. I'm not really sure why Dats and Frog weren't included in your guess or why relly leap frogged them.

Trust: scamper, Ausuka, Aristeia, xofelf, ydrasse, fireisredsir, marcistar
Middle ground: DeasVail, Firebringer, Nero Cain, VP Baltar, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Distrust: ConManMick, Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Frogsterking, obscure

You might make the argument that I'm misrepping you b/c your solve is 4, not 3 but you are also using the word maybe here which is ???

I distrust you Gamma.

The dogpiling jokes aside I will give something_smart a chance to get involved in the game I suppose.

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma who are the scum and why

Marci
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else

I have 3 people/either-or pairs I immediately think might be scum
There could be 4 or 5 scum reasonably, so I am acknowledging there might be another
At this current point, I’m not pressed to seek out that last person if it exists, I will wait until more scum flip to figure that out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah but I don't know why you would think that would give me a special knowledge of you? I don't remember paying THAT much attention to my teams other games though I was skimming them.

But I expect you to at least have a concept of how I played
I’m kinda trying to re-tune to that playstyle because I notice I’m getting nightkilled for play-based reasons a lot recently and I want to curtail that a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

I am not, however, aiming to in any way replicate the lategame circumstances there, not now or ever

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah but I don't know why you would think that would give me a special knowledge of you? I don't remember paying THAT much attention to my teams other games though I was skimming them.

But I expect you to at least have a concept of how I played
I’m kinda trying to re-tune to that playstyle because I notice I’m getting nightkilled for play-based reasons a lot recently and I want to curtail that a bit

How recent is this retool?

within the last month just about

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma why is HEM scum

he's basically felt fake all game to me, between the overly verbose post I called out early and his approach to me
there's also a slight meta aspect, he feels rather reactive, which I attribute to his scumgame

[Gamma Emerald]

it's weird that the more gamma scumreads me the more i townread him
i guess i have issues

is there a particular reason for this?

[Gamma Emerald]

it's weird that the more gamma scumreads me the more i townread him
i guess i have issues

is there a particular reason for this?

i think you're probably town. i also remarked that i think your attitude is +town. i also came into day 2 thinking i've been pocketed and i'm just wary of budding and you've been doing the opposite nonstopit's true though that you aren't feeling that strong in your push for me and i don't see you convincing anybody else. which makes me think there's nobody to back you up here, since i'm everyone's townread.

but sussing me for being verbose is hilarious. it really just feels like you'll scumread anything i do. i get that though — once you see me play scum it's hard to townread me afterwards <3

hm
what would you say is the distinct between your town and scum games? You don't have to share a lot of details, just a general picture is fine.

[Gamma Emerald]

also is there anyway to get notifications for new posts?

there's a button at the bottom that say "subscribe topic"
you should get e-mail notifs for any topics you're subbed to

[Gamma Emerald]

as far as me getting into arguments go. I don't want to say that ONLY town get into arguments b/c scum with a backbone is a thing but town ARE more likely to get bent out of shape over being misread. Obviously, Balter and I are got into it last game b/c we were misreading each other. Here, clearly he was scum and was avoiding that and most people other than maybe Gamma are not really arguing with it. It's a shitty point.

Arguing with what?

[Gamma Emerald]

as far as me getting into arguments go. I don't want to say that ONLY town get into arguments b/c scum with a backbone is a thing but town ARE more likely to get bent out of shape over being misread. Obviously, Balter and I are got into it last game b/c we were misreading each other. Here, clearly he was scum and was avoiding that and most people other than maybe Gamma are not really arguing with it. It's a shitty point.

Arguing with what?

@Nero I want this answered because idk what you're talking about but the specific name drop of me is a bit bothering

[Gamma Emerald]

And can someone for the love of god please talk to me about gamma and the meta.

ig this doesn't include me but what are you specifically talking about w this?

[Gamma Emerald]

on what subject?