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I think they replaced in a long time ago right? And they possibly read what happened to Shea/CSF, are familiar with a bunch of the players here, and have seen that reaction test a dozen times before?In post 6143, GuiltyLion wrote:Frog what do you think about the idea that Menalque appeared to genuinely not know that his slot had already claimed VT
I think Menalque took the laziest path of least resistance to not get voted out by faking the easiest Town tell in the world, posted some filler and tried to pocket a couple people, then discreetly disappeared with no resolution to their position within the game or anything that would resemble a Townie motivation to doing anything within their own agency to participate in the game.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Don't want? I thought you weren't resistant to a Menalque wagon?In post 6142, fireisredsir wrote:frog please don'tBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Menalque (high certainty), fire (moderate certainty), edge cases S_ S/Dease (low certainties)In post 6129, scamper wrote:if we can correctly trim the poe down to 6 names
Have any questions, scamper?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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It's unlikely, not crazy. If you prefer sticking Shea in as an edge case instead of S_S or Dease I think that's pretty logical.In post 6152, Nero Cain wrote:Is it crazy to think that Relly and Skitter could be scum together and Relly just used a shitty made up reason to town read his buddy?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Like Menalque (high), fire (moderate), S_S (low) / Shea (low) I can roll with.In post 6153, Frogsterking wrote:
It's unlikely, not crazy. If you prefer sticking Shea in as an edge case instead of S_S or Dease I think that's pretty logical.In post 6152, Nero Cain wrote:Is it crazy to think that Relly and Skitter could be scum together and Relly just used a shitty made up reason to town read his buddy?
And I just tunneled impotently on Dease all game because I'm bad. Seems logical to me.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Like I don't think it's logical at all that we aren't running up Menalque right now. So Tweet is bad at scum replacing in and Menalque is good at scum replacing in? And Menalque didn't even do well, they just didn't do as bad as Tweet? Let's send this guy packing, that's a freaking mediocre scum rep in if I've ever seen a mediocre scum rep in my whole life.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Lmao FWIW I have to get in touch with my contact to help go over the scripts I'm using. They indicated you were ‐2 on a 1-5 scale for intellectual curiosity which I DON'T think is accurateIn post 6156, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think you are bad.
though I did promise that I'd lim you today if you didn't do my psych profile...Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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My plan is to fix the scripts after the game and then PM you and fire the psych profile (even though fire only asked to pocket me)In post 6158, Frogsterking wrote:
Lmao FWIW I have to get in touch with my contact to help go over the scripts I'm using. They indicated you were ‐2 on a 1-5 scale for intellectual curiosity which I DON'T think is accurateIn post 6156, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think you are bad.
though I did promise that I'd lim you today if you didn't do my psych profile...Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I found one looking through his scum game in HDP! Have you heard of the Luca Blight tell?In post 6164, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I don't really see any good reasons to townread S_S for, which would normally be concerning for this point in the game, but also historically my read rate on him has also been abysmal
I wouldn't stop a wagon there igBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 6092, Frogsterking wrote:Okay finally here's something concrete-ish from HDP:
Looks kinda "solvey"In post 2784, Something_Smart wrote:Norwee shows interest in Datisi:In post 1235, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I kinda want to townread Datisi just for that post alone.In post 1237, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Would you want to propose to me dearest Datisi?
But posts this while Datisi is still available:In post 1241, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Did you show up because i was seducing Datisi.In post 1239, Ydrasse wrote:hi
When asked who he wants to pair with:In post 1338, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think the last slot here i actively want to pair with is Marcistar. :v
Some flirtingIn post 1445, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Marcistar.In post 1795, marcistar wrote:
if i proposed would u help me solve t-tIn post 1542, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Who am i to solve the game without your guidance.In post 1804, marcistar wrote:
do u think he would be a good partner for me?In post 1802, Datisi wrote:i don't know, probably? to be fair i've read his recent meltdown and i got a bit of a feeling it's a townie one, so /shrug
Marci meanwhile proposes to LLD, then GL, and finally Norwee. If they are both scum and planned on pairing together, then the plan sure didn't go back very far. But it looks like Norwee was angling to pair with marci early on.In post 1829, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
This isn't something i say lightly btw.In post 1823, NorwegianboyEE wrote:i could never get mad at you Marcistar
I'm probably more interested in the personality of people i play with than their alignment. So i definitely know who i'm gonna get along with and who i'm not.
Maybe comparable to what S_S wrote on Dease early in this game.
This type of pushing is present in HDP, as well as a lot of promises to deliver invaluable reads on certain players (Galron and Mala in particular). He shows a lot more conventional attempts at scum hunting in his scum game than he does in games like this. In this game and the other Town game I played with him I'd describe his play as agnostic, like he's not convinced players can actually form reads which aren't made up.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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This is the closest thing S_S has done this game, and it was only done because it was specifically asked for:
In post 5111, Something_Smart wrote:Idea of what?
Absolutely nothing from skitter/obscure btw. Obscure is (as has already been pointed out) an odd combination of new to the site and very eloquent/self-assured, but with him having no knowledge of site meta, I can't reliably say that he would expect to be scumread or townread for X thing.In post 5113, Something_Smart wrote:In post 969, DeasVail wrote:Nero, you seem quite bothered by my posts. Do you think I’m scum?In post 971, Nero Cain wrote:probably, yesIn post 973, Nero Cain wrote:????
I mildly like this sequence from DVIn post 976, DeasVail wrote:Your scumread on me seems superficial but not inauthenticIn post 5116, Something_Smart wrote:
I have! I think about it every time I read a post. But most of the time it doesn't return anything.In post 5114, Thestatusquo wrote:you say you have a method of getting reads on people generally and you said that its generally not effective in some cases but I'm unsure why you didn't at least try to use this method on the wagons that happened since you've replaced in.In post 5118, Something_Smart wrote:DV seems generally pretty careful and deliberate with his posting, it could be partially for optics or it could just be his style. Aside from the sequence I quoted I didn't see a lot that deviated from "scum playing a standard solid-ish scumgame". Since there are surely other people who also fit that description, I guess he's on the chopping block for low activity?
His progression on me doesn't really make a lot of sense, it seemed like he had me as town for mild efforting when it was potentially possible to get towncred from WK'ing, and now that my wagon has collapsed he wants to keep open the option of re-starting it. Or he just happened to have weakly-justified reads that followed that pattern.
I mean I guess it looks kind of similar. I feel like the energy behind it is different. I have him in my solve as an edge case:In post 5120, Something_Smart wrote:
Well, it stands out because it's weird, and doesn't make a lot of sense on the face. Nero is absolutely not the type of person to townread this or take it well at all, and if he was actually setting up a push on Nero then he ruined it.In post 5117, Frogsterking wrote:I would like to hear a little bit about why this (and anything else) stand out to you.
Menalque (high certainty) -> fire (moderate certainty) -> S_S (low certainty) -> Shea (low certainty) -> Dease (honorable mention)Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Did it look similar to his scum game in HDP?In post 6175, scamper wrote:
im reading he mini normal and he actually did produce reads there (and votes)In post 6171, Frogsterking wrote:This type of pushing is present in HDP, as well as a lot of promises to deliver invaluable reads on certain players (Galron and Mala in particular). He shows a lot more conventional attempts at scum hunting in his scum game than he does in games like this. In this game and the other Town game I played with him I'd describe his play as agnostic, like he's not convinced players can actually form reads which aren't made up.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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If 3 of Ydrasse/scamper/CSF/Nero agree on any of these names, I'll sheep it. I think that's fair.In post 6177, Frogsterking wrote:Menalque (high certainty) -> fire (moderate certainty) -> S_S (low certainty) -> Shea (low certainty) -> Dease (honorable mention)Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Their wagon movement on D2 really sus and they've been trying to pocket me all gameIn post 6185, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Can someone tl;dr the case on fire scum?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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And Ari N1 death:In post 6188, Frogsterking wrote:
Their wagon movement on D2 really sus and they've been trying to pocket me all gameIn post 6185, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Can someone tl;dr the case on fire scum?
In post 1858, Aristeia wrote:
hi hi hiIn post 1847, scamper wrote:hi ari!
In post 590, fireisredsir wrote:
i think that if i share a reason that could be viewed as "bad" then you will not hesitate to tear it apart and it will weaken any ability to push you later and also might allow you to murder me if you want to do thatIn post 580, Aristeia wrote:I don't think I am scary at all but it is more interesting to be wagoned than the alternative so I'll allow it.
the simple reason is that it doesn't really feel like you're trying to sort anyone or move the game forward, but that isn't really my reason
what was your reason really?In post 1867, Aristeia wrote:my gut is telling me there are some things you are leaving out of this explanation that have to do with you knowing what my alignment is this game but my gut is often wrong so I will let it slide <3In post 2012, Aristeia wrote:fire you don't have to make me that seriously when I say I have an embarrassing probably wrong reason <3
I do appreciate the effort though!Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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That's not my point, I'm saying Ari was killed for that. Ausuka was going to be next if scum didn't have a bunch of vigs to murder first.In post 6190, Nero Cain wrote:Ari also said Gamma was prob good. Dunno if we should treat her reads like a bible.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 5521, Frogsterking wrote:
Breadcrumb is is somethingIn post 5520, Frogsterking wrote:
I'm down VOTE: DeaseIn post 5517, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I don't really have an opinion on the eye roll and the other reaction stuff - that seems like something Gamma would say as either alignment. I guess my biggest hang up with the lim was that Tweet claimed something that resolves tomorrow anyway.In post 5479, Frogsterking wrote:@CSF
But I don't disagree that Tweet's posting has felt flat, so short of flashwagoning someone else, I'm not going to fight it that muchI breadcrumbed my suspicion of fire because I didn't want to end up like Ari, fire is vicious.
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I bet we'll look back and find marci had fire low in their reads list. I'm telling you people who speak out against fire tend to disappear at night.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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You think this scum team with the even-night-friendly-neighbor claim actually knew which vig to kill, and *that's* why marci was killed?? Pff
Oh hey would you look at thatIn post 3772, marcistar wrote:gamma
ausuka
dannflor
shea
frog
nero
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smart
hem
obscure
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scamper
fire
lions
soft elf
ydrasse
deasnail
with u idk where.
town | town? | ??
towniest to scummiest just like u bb
#geniusBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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It's low enough to catch the ire of fire.. fireisvicious.In post 6196, Nero Cain wrote:
fire was a scum read but not that lowIn post 3772, marcistar wrote:gamma
ausuka
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frog
nero
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smart
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scamper
fire
lions
soft elf
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towniest to scummiest just like u bb
You watch..if this game goes on long enough, once CSF is taken care of, it's Ausuka, Shea and myself *runs finger across throat*Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I'm exaggerating to be comical. I genuinely think the Ari death is sus for fire but I can understand why that's not convincing for all. I was implying here that the scum team is focused completely on dayplay and getting fire to the endgame to such an extent that marci being the correct kill was just a coincidence; the real reason she died first was because she put fire in her scum bin.In post 6198, Something_Smart wrote:
What do you mean by this?In post 6197, Frogsterking wrote:You think this scum team with the even-night-friendly-neighbor claim actually knew which vig to kill, and *that's* why marci was killed??Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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FYI I wasn't trolling here:
In post 6192, Frogsterking wrote:In post 5521, Frogsterking wrote:
Breadcrumb is is somethingIn post 5520, Frogsterking wrote:
I'm down VOTE: DeaseIn post 5517, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I don't really have an opinion on the eye roll and the other reaction stuff - that seems like something Gamma would say as either alignment. I guess my biggest hang up with the lim was that Tweet claimed something that resolves tomorrow anyway.In post 5479, Frogsterking wrote:@CSF
But I don't disagree that Tweet's posting has felt flat, so short of flashwagoning someone else, I'm not going to fight it that muchI breadcrumbed my suspicion of fire because I didn't want to end up like Ari, fire is vicious.
This stuff I believe with aIn post 6191, Frogsterking wrote:
That's not my point, I'm saying Ari was killed for that. Ausuka was going to be next if scum didn't have a bunch of vigs to murder first.In post 6190, Nero Cain wrote:Ari also said Gamma was prob good. Dunno if we should treat her reads like a bible.lowlevel of certainty. The stuff about marci I was joking.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 6206, Thestatusquo wrote:
Do you actually think this is a game state where scum mena can lurk out pressure? Like maybe today IG even if i find that uniquely, but what about tomorrow?In post 6140, Frogsterking wrote:In post 5881, Menalque wrote:
I take it he was town in holiday dance party?In post 5879, Datisi wrote:
ok i kinda skimmed his iso thereIn post 5875, Datisi wrote:
oh shit yes i was there, that's rightIn post 5871, Menalque wrote:I've seen him in scum games and I'm pretty sure that after my first hiatus he was scum in a game that skitter and S_S (and lowkey maybe you?) were also in, and while I think town won I think he was convincingly a lot more engaged for a long time than he normally is as town
and i do say that he was more involved there than here
however, that game still feels like much less involvement for him than holiday dance party was, and firebringer was my strongest townread in holiday dance party
so overall i deem the fact he's not present a lot Not Clearing - especially as he claimed to have been busy during d1In post 5880, Menalque wrote:
because ironically I think that when scum are ~around~ at the time that someone is getting wagoned and they don't wanna duck thread I've often seen them go for statements like "this is a scum claim" "this always comes from scum" "this is a scum reaction" to have some involvement in the shindig and I guess sometimes to play into looking like they're uninformed?In post 5877, Thestatusquo wrote:
I didn't have a particular reason when I did the thing, I was reacting. I saw a bunch of posts in the pedit of the iso dive I did on frogsterking, said "eh, those are probably just nonsense." and then came into the thread to see shit raining down from the sky. Then I reacted to that shit.In post 5871, Menalque wrote:
I've seen him in scum games and I'm pretty sure that after my first hiatus he was scum in a game that skitter and S_S (and lowkey maybe you?) were also in, and while I think town won I think he was convincingly a lot more engaged for a long time than he normally is as townIn post 5864, Datisi wrote:
have you ever actually played with scum-firebringer to know this? i know it's a popular joke, but stillIn post 5796, Menalque wrote:fb was lowkey nowhere near excited enough about the game (esp in a Pl that he likes and knows people in) to be scum, it's just a couple of jokes and a lot of bland and then I assume he repped out
firstly, I am trying to turn over a new, chilled out leaf and to continue on my path to tranquilityIn post 5865, Thestatusquo wrote:
I've seen the "I don't know why you're doing this town but you must have a good reason so I'm not accusing you of game throwing" response way more from scum than town. I feel like town has more of an inclination to get immediately angry whereas scum tries to remain calm and try to figure a way out. Shrug.In post 5861, Menalque wrote:
I would never, I am the towniest lil townboi there isIn post 5854, Ausuka wrote:T3 made this game as a reaction test
Also we can be friends I guess Mena I feel like your response was probably town
If you betray me I will cry
hang on, explain thisIn post 5821, Thestatusquo wrote:
This is a scum response.In post 5818, Menalque wrote:hence why I'm not yelling at scamper about game throwing
Specifically the verbiage "this is weird you're not throwing" to me comes from scum way more often then town in these spots, just as a personal experience sort of thing.
secondly, this initially pinged me as v performative seeing as I was basically 100% dead there as scum and so calling out anything I said as "scummy" seemed redundant if you were legitimately convinced I was. idk how scum!me would be figuring out a way out there and so I couldn't see how you would think that's what I was doing, but if it's more that just the non-angry vibe was reminiscent of prior scum reactions I suppose that makes sense
I think that post would really only be performative in the way you're suggesting if we're buddies though. Like if you're town and I'm scum why would I make that post?In post 5872, Menalque wrote:what is acnhIn post 5871, Menalque wrote:
I've seen him in scum games and I'm pretty sure that after my first hiatus he was scum in a game that skitter and S_S (and lowkey maybe you?) were also in, and while I think town won I think he was convincingly a lot more engaged for a long time than he normally is as townIn post 5864, Datisi wrote:
have you ever actually played with scum-firebringer to know this? i know it's a popular joke, but stillIn post 5796, Menalque wrote:fb was lowkey nowhere near excited enough about the game (esp in a Pl that he likes and knows people in) to be scum, it's just a couple of jokes and a lot of bland and then I assume he repped out
firstly, I am trying to turn over a new, chilled out leaf and to continue on my path to tranquilityIn post 5865, Thestatusquo wrote:
I've seen the "I don't know why you're doing this town but you must have a good reason so I'm not accusing you of game throwing" response way more from scum than town. I feel like town has more of an inclination to get immediately angry whereas scum tries to remain calm and try to figure a way out. Shrug.In post 5861, Menalque wrote:
I would never, I am the towniest lil townboi there isIn post 5854, Ausuka wrote:T3 made this game as a reaction test
Also we can be friends I guess Mena I feel like your response was probably town
If you betray me I will cry
hang on, explain thisIn post 5821, Thestatusquo wrote:
This is a scum response.In post 5818, Menalque wrote:hence why I'm not yelling at scamper about game throwing
Specifically the verbiage "this is weird you're not throwing" to me comes from scum way more often then town in these spots, just as a personal experience sort of thing.
secondly, this initially pinged me as v performative seeing as I was basically 100% dead there as scum and so calling out anything I said as "scummy" seemed redundant if you were legitimately convinced I was. idk how scum!me would be figuring out a way out there and so I couldn't see how you would think that's what I was doing, but if it's more that just the non-angry vibe was reminiscent of prior scum reactions I suppose that makes senseIt's not going to work Menalque I'm watching your slot lurk out and I'm not unvoting.
In a vacuum I do because they can hope that we get super tilted and forget about them due to recency bias. I think it's more effective to try and fight out of the PoE, but I've encountered more lurk scum so far than power scum, and I've seen it work out for them more often than it probably should.In post 6207, Thestatusquo wrote:Like i just fundamentally don't believe the correct play for scum in the poe right now would be to try to lurk it out. I think it would be to try as hard as possible to get out of the poe.
Like i don't really know the efficacy of arguing with you about this here because it just seems like another place where we just massively disagree on how to find scum but i still feel compelled to point it out.
Now, in this context, if you're suggesting that Menalque themselves is more likely to take the power scum path because xyz reasons, then I'm open to hearing that out for sure.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Also, it sounds like you might be better at playing scum than a lot of players because you're assertive and play a lot of strategy games and maybe like acting/performance art. I'm usually looking for players who are struggling to make up convincing reads because that's more what I relate to and expect to see.In post 6207, Thestatusquo wrote:Like i just fundamentally don't believe the correct play for scum in the poe right now would be to try to lurk it out. I think it would be to try as hard as possible to get out of the poe.
Like i don't really know the efficacy of arguing with you about this here because it just seems like another place where we just massively disagree on how to find scum but i still feel compelled to point it out.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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No, I know nothing about them except that I've heard they're good at playing scum.In post 6211, Thestatusquo wrote:Do you have much experience with Mena in particular? I wouldn't describe them as someone who is likely to shy away from a fight.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Are you suggesting that they're being setup by fire, and that fire is making it look like they're resistant to Menalque to implicate them and protect a buddy like S_S? Because if the team were actually Menalque-fire they would be unlikely to take this approach because it leads to almost certain loss and Menalque isn't that kind of player?In post 6211, Thestatusquo wrote:Do you have much experience with Mena in particular? I wouldn't describe them as someone who is likely to shy away from a fight.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I was tinfoiling. You can tell I wasn't thinking clearly because I lost the presence of mind to add theIn post 6306, Ausuka wrote:I have no idea what frog's talking about with the dann/scamper thing, although I don't think it is scummycertaintything.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 6303, fireisredsir wrote:i think he is uhhh very much the type that im vulnerable toBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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IIRC she was the only one and I've been going with a 2 to veto system. I brought that up in at least one other context this game which can be dug up if need be. If 2 players from the core group were townreading you then a made mistake, but I feel like I probably didn't.In post 5814, Thestatusquo wrote:On the other hand, I think its suspicious that it's not consistent. For instance, he was all about pushing me day 2 despite the fact that one of his town reads, ausuka, had me as pretty close to their top town read, so itBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Oh hey that's interestingIn post 6317, Dannflor wrote:and 7 to no eliminateBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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LmaoIn post 6323, Something_Smart wrote:
They might have, but I would think it was more likely just an explanation for why the FN didn't go off N1.In post 6306, Ausuka wrote:I have a terrible memory but I feel like tweet's claim might be an indicator that scum also figured out the odd/even situation? At least partially
What's an example of what scum!S_S would suggest for Tweet to claim?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Cool!In post 6333, Thestatusquo wrote:
I think I was the first to pioneer that rule like a decade ago! NE just needs enough to make a majority impossible.In post 6324, Frogsterking wrote:
Oh hey that's interestingIn post 6317, Dannflor wrote:and 7 to no eliminateBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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SmartIn post 6337, Something_Smart wrote:perhaps a tracker with a random "went nowhere" result on a townie N1. If they contradict it, hey we outed a PR; if not, hey our claim is backed up.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Even in a large where there is probably more than 1 investigative?In post 6342, Thestatusquo wrote:I kind of think this post is pretty townie. I don't think scum S_S would tell MT to claim something investigative with scamper prettttty strongly hinting that they were an investigative of some kind.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Gated refers to the even-odd night thing?In post 6345, Dannflor wrote:also scamper is either gated or was role blocked given he didn't get a result from last nightBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Thank you.In post 6350, Something_Smart wrote:
Gated means any modifier that affects when a role can be used, like odd/even night, X-shot, etc.In post 6346, Frogsterking wrote:Gated refers to the even-odd night thing?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Can all the Town players not voting Menalque stop dragging their knuckles and either vote them or put forth some concrete xyz case why you aren't? You're making it easier for scum to hide by refusing to do anything meaningful regarding the Menalque slot.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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This is an example of what I consider to be acceptable:
In post 6184, Something_Smart wrote:
I think Mena's reaction to the gambit was moderately +town (I believe I already said as much?) because he clearly expressed ignorance that his predecessor claimed. (Could be faked ignorance, but if he's scum it probably wasn't real.)In post 6095, Datisi wrote:i'm waiting for
(1) mena to do something ai
(2) s_s to give a read on him
This is an example of what I consider to be unacceptable:In post 6244, Something_Smart wrote:
I would say, better than I can read most people. I recall one game, cursed though it was, where I was pretty much the only person to (correctly) call out Mena as scum. Of course I was not in a position to convince anyone, but when am I ever?In post 6241, Datisi wrote:ok fine - how well do you think you can read mena
That's honestly the main thing that's making me feel this way, so I don't know how accurate it is. But I don't think I've played with scum-Mena many other times (and I can't recall ever confidently and incorrectly scumreading him), so I guess I have an okay read rate historically.
In post 6358, DeasVail wrote:
TOWN: Datisi, scamper, cat, NeroIn post 6356, Datisi wrote:deas buddy can i get A Readslist(tm) from you
it can be naked that's ok i just wanna see where your head is at
town: Ausuka, Dannflor, fireisred, GuiltyLion, Menalque
Currently considering as possible scum (this is dynamic and changes depending on the mood): Ydrasse, SS, fireisred, TSQ, Frogster
Let's get this wagon on the road, players.In post 6359, DeasVail wrote:Just as an example, 30 minutes ago Menalque would have been in the bottom tier but I thought about it.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I'm making an adjustment to my solve:In post 6177, Frogsterking wrote:I mean I guess it looks kind of similar. I feel like the energy behind it is different. I have him in my solve as an edge case:
Menalque (high certainty) -> fire (moderate certainty) -> S_S (low certainty) -> Shea (low certainty) -> Dease (honorable mention)
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Fire has some plausible deniability with their play because of their high neuroticism + agreeableness, neurotic people get stressed out and incriminate themselves all the time (I'm super neurotic) and agreeable people can look like bandwagoners.In post 6410, Thestatusquo wrote:I'm pretty sure fire is way likely to flip red and I'm not going to be strongarmed into voting a worse wagon.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Speaking of, is exactly what we need right now. Fire?In post 6412, Frogsterking wrote:bandwagonersBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Because your nice and give people the benefit of the doubtIn post 6414, fireisredsir wrote:was kinda waiting for mena to come back and talk but ig maybe it doesn't matter. sure
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It's time for you to hop on the busIn post 6416, DeasVail wrote:Where is the mena wagon at now?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Wait I fucked that up.
It's at the bus stop.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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S_S seems like they're having fun flitting around posting in the thread and I'm skeptical they're still in their scum range.In post 6422, Nero Cain wrote:Why mena over SS, frog?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Yeah it's tinfoil but it was important enough to mention and you may as well tell them since they asked.In post 6431, fireisredsir wrote:
i think it's probably unreasonable and also a bad idea to go into at this timeIn post 6428, Dannflor wrote:
you can't just say thisIn post 6425, fireisredsir wrote:i did just have a concerning thought tbh but im gonna shove it away for nowBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 6201, Nero Cain wrote:I'm not sure if Frog is trolling or is this conf biased
There's something ironic about this I'll get into during Twilight.In post 6197, Frogsterking wrote:You think this scum team with the even-night-friendly-neighbor claim actually knew which vig to kill, and *that's* why marci was killed?? Pff
Oh hey would you look at thatIn post 3772, marcistar wrote:gamma
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towniest to scummiest just like u bb
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PEdit:
I agreeBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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This is what I meant about irony:
My subconscious was trying to say something and my conscious got in the way.In post 6197, Frogsterking wrote:You think this scum team with the even-night-friendly-neighbor claim actually knew which vig to kill, and *that's* why marci was killed?? Pff
Oh hey would you look at thatIn post 3772, marcistar wrote:gamma
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The point being that scum probably have some type of roleblock/rolestop/alien ability and we're jumping to the conclusion they killed the vig claims in the order they did for purely mechanical reasons when in reality it's more likely their reasons were multifaceted.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Dease is in a different time zone than most players so it makes sense that could translate to some disorganization and low morale within the team even though Dease himself is a strong player:
In post 6354, DeasVail wrote:Fwiw, I don’t remember the last time I played a scumgame where people actually…. discussed stuff in the scumchatIn post 6359, DeasVail wrote:Just as an example, 30 minutes ago Menalque would have been in the bottom tier but I thought about it.
Mena -> Dease -> S_S is optimalIn post 6420, DeasVail wrote:
Well I might, but would prefer to know whereabouts on the bus I’d be sittingIn post 6418, Frogsterking wrote:
It's time for you to hop on the busIn post 6416, DeasVail wrote:Where is the mena wagon at now?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 6454, Nero Cain wrote:It's not impossible but it's still a jump. Csfs kill would still go through even if they died right? So killing Marci so she can't shoot tonight makes more sense to me than she was shot bc fire is at the top of her scum list
With a stretch like that I think you missed a career in ballet performanceIn post 6453, fireisredsir wrote:
partly bc this post sort of feels like a "wtf dude why are you calling this out" postIn post 1783, Firebringer wrote:
I am going to word this nicely.In post 1781, Frogsterking wrote:Firebringer is here to bail out Gamma or is just oblivious?
But was this post made with the intention of trying to annoy me or just made without thinking?
I don't know.
I am going to calm down now because this post shouldn't have bugged me as much as it should and you probably didn't intend it to.
maybe thats a reach
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Not fire, Dease.In post 6454, Nero Cain wrote:It's not impossible but it's still a jump. Csfs kill would still go through even if they died right? So killing Marci so she can't shoot tonight makes more sense to me than she was shot bc fire is at the top of her scum listBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Yeah I mean you can also just vote Menalque so we can win the game. Theoretically FYPOV you don't have concrete reasons to distrust me yet and you will be alive to push me later after some flips since you didn't claim shit.In post 6458, fireisredsir wrote:anyway if it is actually SS traitor + frog groupscum i think i know who the last one is but im getting extremely ahead of myself here so i don't want to go there bc ill be embarrassed if this sudden random tinfoil is completely off base
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Do I still get partial street cred for this work if S_S flips red?
In post 5730, Frogsterking wrote:
I hate the parts that I bolded:In post 5729, Dannflor wrote:I mean I would say it's an unusual method
maybe I shouldn't have said weird
I'll agree that was reaching but I got excited because I saw a post that was using that method to justify a town read on Gamma and it gave me queasy feelings
Why did you hate that S_S post?
The first bold, "honestly", is self-qualifying, and makes me suspect the first sentence is there because S_S doesn't feel entitled to post in the thread. The second bold looks like a hedge on a read Town!S_S should be able to make (S_S has seen me go A-WOL as Town.) It doesn't seem logical or emotionally congruent for the second part to be there unless S_S is afraid to outright disagree with you...which would also imply S_S is afraid to post in the thread. I believe this with more certainty than my other takes, likeIn post 5724, Frogsterking wrote:
This is not the kind of post I like to see coming from a slot I recently defended. Yikes.In post 5721, Something_Smart wrote:It seems like pretty typical Frogster shenanigans,honestly. Feels like it's unlikely to be agenda-motivated in that he thinks the aggregated reads will be wrong,but it might just be scum-himtrying to come up with something distracting to do.low/moderatecertainty this post is scum AI for S_S.
I believe with equallow/moderatecertainty Town!SS writes 5721 like
"Feels like it's unlikely to be agenda-motivated in that he thinks the aggregated reads will be wrong." and hits send. I believe the additional parts of it that I bolded are AI.
Additionally, I believe on avery lowcertainty level that S_S may be familiar or interested in Francis Galton or Google's algorithm or w.e because I'm pretty sure (ie moderate/high certainty) that S_S is quite intellectually curious. So I'm deducing that S_S refraining from getting into that at all is survivalistic from them, even if the extent of their comment on it is to inform me my method is terrible because xyz.In post 6061, Frogsterking wrote:
Example ^^In post 2501, Something_Smart wrote:In post 2497, Galron wrote:And it also had to do with my thinking that S_S was town, and this would force him to just take it
Why is this a good thing though? I wanted to hear from Mala... it's not like there was any risk of something bad happening if you waited.
Also:In post 2759, Something_Smart wrote:
I have a shit history at reading both you and GL. I...In post 2756, Datisi wrote:s_s, do you have any opinions on me or my pairhonestlycan't recall much about what you've done, and most of what GL has done that I can recall is tunnel my slot for dumb and facile reasons, which is probably +town to behonest.
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(now the Mala example sounds eerily like the TFN thing)
I had him 3rd on my PoE by all accounts before you demanded I switch from Menalque.In post 6082, Frogsterking wrote:
TheIn post 5948, Something_Smart wrote:HDP was my second-strongest scumgame to date,is getting Real with S_S thoughTinfoilBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.-
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In post 6408, Frogsterking wrote:@all
Can all the Town players not votingMenalqueS_Sstop dragging their knuckles and either vote them or put forth some concrete xyz case why you aren't? You're making it easier for scum to hide by refusing to do anything meaningful regarding theMenalqueS_Sslot.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.-
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Shea do you TR Mena and S_S?In post 6477, Thestatusquo wrote:The day doesn't have to be between mena and ss. I hate false dichotomy. We could actually scum hunt instead of...whatever it is we're doing here?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.