:/ I thought you'd be more free to play todayIn post 4705, humaneatingmonkey wrote:anyway that's my input that's the only thing i can muster i need to hangout with my girlfriend she misses me and she doesn't think im scum
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I mean by all means hang out with your girlfriend right now, but when can we expect you to actually catch up and actually play"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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lol Enchant did this to me once and we were both townIn post 4747, Something_Smart wrote:
I mean, if you're a vig and someone else claims your shot, you don't have to claim, you can just shoot them.In post 4742, fireisredsir wrote:i think if hem is scum and claiming to try to out the vig then he claims the vp shot"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I think we should lim obscure instead of leash HEM
we can leash HEM to someone else, but obscure feels like a good flip esp if HEM is actually town
VOTE: obscure[/vote"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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yah I would also prefer a marci vig instead of a gamma vig, I feel this game wasn't really unlike my impression of gamma's towngame
Smart is also a fine vig shot and 4813 feels a little survivalist in how he immediately encourages a Gamma shot"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I have almost certainly forgotten parts of D2 where different people talked about this but I still kinda think Relly's associatives with Baltar aren't that bad. they're not clearing, but I think on the whole it seems more likely Relly didn't know VPB was scum given the breezy half baked townread morphing into an unceremonious "could go either way" vote, just felt like he wasn't trying to enact an agenda or a planned trajectoryIn post 4833, Datisi wrote:his associates w baltar are bad"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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huh actually gong back I could see how one might see marci's D1-D2 gamma progression as an inno
but I completely didn't clock it at the time
and it makes me wonder if it's fair to think marci/gamma is T-T and scum!Smart was more prone to picking up on that because he's looking for results/crumbs in townie's reads"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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wait how does this make sense if you think marci might have an innoIn post 4813, Something_Smart wrote:If Gamma flips scum marci is town which is cool."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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why would that make her town, though. I'd be more suspicious if I thought someone was softing a clear on scum.In post 4857, Something_Smart wrote:well obviously if Gamma flips scum then marci didn't have an inno, so what's the problem?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I guess I just initially thought you were saying you didn't think their interaction was S-S, which I was on board with
then you said you thought she might have mechcleared him
but that means the "if gamma scum marci town" thought exists completely outside of also thinking she may have cleared him, because clearing him is not possible in that world
I can see how this all might makes sense but it confused me because it feels like you're speaking about two separate worlds at the same time"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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this is not wise, especially if we flip scum.In post 4884, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i will always kill the person with the second highest number of votes at the end of the day
seems consensus is a marci vig currently, but tbh I'd even prefer if you followed your own best judgment and justified it in thread later than following an arbitrary rule like this"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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ok I just want to lim/vig in obscure/smart and will reluctantly accept gamma if people want that instead
we can hunt for deepwolves tomorrow based on flips
I feel marci's claim & play makes a lot of sense and also affirms HEM's claim as probably town"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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specifically this was crumbed:In post 4909, marcistar wrote:anyways i no longer tr something smart i thought he was the other vig LMAO
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i dont remember sorryIn post 3553, GuiltyLion wrote:I don't get why you have Smart as town
you've been scum with him before, do you see any differences in his play here from HDP
i think smsrts easier to read as game goes on though!!
for why i said smarts town
im mostly just bsing most of my posts and saying things i think of asi think of them. a post smart made i liked."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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@Datisi how would scum!HEM know that there exists a vig with a modifier, specifically
like if Mafia has a doc I could see inferring vig, but if he claimed modifier just to try to survive and explain not shooting last night, he got insanely lucky that apparently we have a modifier on the town vig"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I'm on the obscure / Smart / ?? fireisred? Dann? train myself currently"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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xofelf and DV are possible scum slots in this game too I guess"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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this was a good post btw that I want to harken back to and why I think there's potential scum in fireisred/DVIn post 4660, Nero Cain wrote:I hard disagree with the notion that scum are more likely to be off wagon and white knighting him than the ones killing him. And like, Dann can be scum, sure. SS. maybe. Marci, maybe although lately, I've been thinking that she might just be noise and not scum but could still maybe be scum.
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I'm just assuming that's what a potential HEM lim wagon might look like.T3 wrote: humaneatingmonkey (9): scamper, GuiltyLion, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, Thestatusquo, Gamma Emerald, Datisi, DeasVail, Enchant
You guys really going to sit there and tell me that there's one scum on between both ml wagons?
Scamper, Gamma, TSQ slot, Dats, YD, and Deas (if he were to go back) would all look horrible and at the very least I wouldn't trust the same core group that pulled off a shitty con wagon to find scum d2 or 3.
I just don't think I could properly suss it out right now while the POE is so wide
I've been avoiding commenting directly on the Datisi clear but yes I also saw that and it locked scamper town for me when it happened
I also kinda thought Ydra was softing vig lol so we'll see where she goes"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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well there's also the world where scamper's a gunsmith and you're a traitorIn post 4972, Datisi wrote:i'm never scum without scamper
but yeah a bunch of better vig shots to be made first"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I just mean too wide for me to properly discern if someone like fireisred or Dann is just town or playing a good scumgameIn post 4986, Thestatusquo wrote:I'm confused by GuiltyLion saying the PoE is wide because to me it doesn't seem that wide.
once I can see how a few more limbaity/scummy slots flip and how deepwolf candidates interacted with them, I'll feel more confident about getting the right read there"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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early D2 she basically said don't run me up because I'll claim and it'll be a waste of timeIn post 5000, marcistar wrote:why did ppl think ydrasseis vig..? it seems unlikely
I didn't know we'd have two subsequent vig claims after that, I agree she's not a vig now assuming you're not just straight up lying, but I'm still expecting her to be some useful/confirmable role that will come out eventually"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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also her reaction to HEM claim felt like a frustrated town vig seeing a fakeclaim"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I gut prefer obscure over DV but I'm not sure I can currently articulate why in a way that's satisfying - even to myself.
there's been small moments of pressure or re-evaluation from DV that give townvibes. I get that if he's scum the purpose of those posts would be to get townread, and I also have a nagging feeling that we mind melded more in Shakespeare, but this game is a lot faster / more bloated so part of me thinks it may be that.
idk I'll try to re-ISO each when I have some time today and see if I can feel decidedly one way or the other. kind of want a VC too to see where the wagons are at"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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how do you know why people want to kill you if you're not caught up?In post 5148, obscure wrote:but apparently people want to kill me because i'm busy >.>"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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but isn't this just an assumption on your part? Like how are you sure that I didn't write up some super persuasive convincing analysis of why you are scum in the pages you haven't read?In post 5152, obscure wrote:because whenever i'm able to participate people find me as town, then i come back and i'm being voted.
it feels like the main reason to make such a claim is to discourage people from voting you
that may come from town who doesn't like being voted, but this claim about why people are voting you strikes me as disingenuous"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I don't think this logic makes sense when we have a vig shot tonightIn post 5166, Dannflor wrote:i think we have to kill you rather than risk outing another PR"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I'm not trying to position myself as a mech person, I'm just thinking if we flip obscure and he's a VT, vig might shoot in DV/S_S in which case we'd lose them if they're a confirmable PR in that world too"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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UNVOTE:
I also sort of had a gut town reaction to those obscure posts
idk I get that he just claimed but I do want to actually reread the ISOs again and avoid making a bad decision out of inertia"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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my main thing with Gamma is I thought she felt genuinely uninformed of marci's alignment. When I pushed on marci at the very start of the game, Gamma kinda pushed back at me in a defensive way, I think this was out of considering her a friend and not wanting her to get bullied immediately out of playing at gamestart. Then Gamma slowly became more and more suspicious of marci throughout D1/D2, it didn't feel like a calculated trajectory to me and I feel scum!Gamma would have been more likely to stick to an approach of buddying marci rather than picking a fight with her and claiming to feel "betrayed"In post 5339, Thestatusquo wrote:It had almost no success getting traction on gamma because of a ubiquitous claim that her tone and emotion were coming from town, and I find it really weird that as far as I can say nothing really seems to have changed that much but here's a wagon out of nowhere."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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VOTE: obscure
I'm still not feeling great about this and still need to re-ISO DV, I am taking a train to Portland shortly and will try to do a bit of reading during that, but looking at wagon comp I still like this option much better than DV. MT wagon seems ok but I haven't found the courage to re-evaluate my Gamma townread yet"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Was there something specific to look at? He's still in that space for me of townie but every now and then making a clangy post. but I'd feel stupid if we limmed him and he flips town over the more classically scummy and more immediately appealing options. I don't think he's necessarily endgame for me atm.
Also 5211 is kinda exactly how I'm feeling, thats a perceptive post if hes scum, and I feel I'd need to see more of fire's interactions with flipped town/scum to feel confident about voting there"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Anyway train is now taking off so gonna do some ISOs"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I'm re-ISOing obscure trying to build the best town case for him that I can but nothing is striking me as unfakeable or clearing
I think if he is scum he's skilled at pressing the right buttons to defuse pressure. issues I have with him are: his main real presented scumread & case on DV is fairly thin, there's some instances peppered throughout his ISO of motivated reasoning, and I also still have to ding the slot for a complete lack of substantial/clearing interactions with Baltar"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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my two main novel thoughts I had rereading obscure:
I could see this post as a bit white knighty of Conman and a little LAMIST. namely the logic of "I think he's townie, cause he's doing this thing I'm also doing" I can imagine as insidiously trying to plant the idea that obscure is town.In post 1736, obscure wrote:
to comment on this,In post 1732, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: Gamma Emerald this is a scum slot I think
I don't like how cagey this feels and I don't like the excuses for:In post 1714, ConManMick wrote:HEMs early stuff I thought town and also VP but a few things struck me as off from both and I would like to look back properly at both.
I don't particularly think FB is town but I can wait for him to kick into gear for now and he's done enough that I am not auto scumreading so I don't want to vote there right now.
I am interested in seeing more of Xof's iso dives to see what kind of content is there
I will look at some stuff in the morning. I'm trying to just chuck down rough notes so I don't have to start fresh so I appreciate this is a bit halfhazard.- *Not expanding on the VP and HEM reads
*Posting in order to use the thread as a notepad
I saw conman was also a substitute. I feel like I'm doing the same thing? i agree that it's actually helpful when you're coming into the game so late because everything is kind of inflated. so i'm a townie and i sympathize with it, at least, not sure how much of an alignment tell.
i considered just keeping notes on a document first, but if something happens and i die, i want to be able to have my thoughts out there, and humanmonkey mentioned on the last page it's better to just spew all my thoughts.
so rereading this post, I don't see why obscure actually thinks DV is more likely scum than anyone else. There's an implicit argument that having a lot of townreads is scummy, but it's not presented directly and it doesn't really hold up - lots of players in the game have the "too many townreads" mindset at the moment, why single out DV over all the rest? And further it applies to obscure as well, which he himself acknowledges here, but then obscure throws this out without attempting to explain the difference between DV's play and obscure's own. just an assertion that they are different.In post 4109, obscure wrote:deasvail
weird post about me (skitter), but i can ignore this since i'm not going to hold onto a first post into the game. hmm, starts by just outing a bunch of townreads, which feel sort of easy as a lot of them are sort of founded around "i agree with X's reads" rather than establishing their own (948, 949, etc)
i don't like 950 that much either because it sort of feels like they've making up a narrative "as scum, i'd expect them to do X" when that's really not like a logical assumption - mafia can act in a lot of different ways.
3242 some of the re-evaluation on the VP flip feels kind of decent.
i'm struggling a little with 3333. i feel like it's not hard for mafia to find suspects, but it may be more challenging for mafia to actually sound convincing/believable when they push on these suspects, and it sort of feels like deas doesn't really have any strong pushes (so basically what people were saying about me, even though i don't think it's contextually true about me), and that they are struggling in this regard.. which, they do acknowledge this, but i don't necessarily see that as a plus point. their read on me feels a bit.. eh, flat/waffly, like they are just sort of shrugging it off as a slightly lesser townread than before due to what people are saying but not putting a ton of thought into it. also i'm willing to look at frog again, but gut says it's not a good place to push based on my feelings yesterday.
all in all, i still think they deas has a good chance to be scum.
I also specifically don't like the bit on 950 - there's a lack of depth to obscure's treatment of it.
1) just because it's not a "logical assumption", why is it scummy for DV to think fire is more likely to fake paranoia as scum?
2) the point of how "mafia can act in a lot of different ways" is true, but also kinda meaningless? like in my mind you could use that as a general retort to a lot of arguments or reasons why people might scumread somebody. the whole game is trying to make informed guesses around how scum is likely to behave. so the way obscure is just wholesale dismissing DV's read feels really uncharitable - I'd at minimum want to understand whether obscure has any thoughts on if fireisred would be more likely to fake paranoia as scum, to understand if obscure tried to empathize or engage with DV's read at all. But instead we don't see that, we just have obscure calling it a bad read by DV."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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there was also the Baltar question towards skitter about why she was asking me about my scamper vote and ignoring his own. but I feel that's super easy to fake as scum. I think I remember Nero thought it was dis-associative though?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I don't think this is the Right Wagon but I'm willing to be outvoted at this point and would be happy to be wrong
I like and agree with Datisi's observation that if MT is scum there's at least one buddy bussing here, especially once vig claims came out I think there's incentive for scum to try to be positioned well on a red flip."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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If I had my druthers I'd vig obscure or S_S if tweet flips town"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I felt this initially, in context of real time it felt like a townie read and if I'm wrong on obscure this would be the thing I should have held ontoIn post 5382, DeasVail wrote:I leaned towards the messiness of the read on me more likely coming from town. Obscure seems like a thoughtful player and my inclination was that as scum he would be more careful to avoid the inconsistencies in his suspicion of me.
I don’t consider this to be clearing as such, but it does make me hesitant to scumread obscure.
That said, when rereading obscure in ISO, his play feels scummier. I agree obscure demonstrates capacity for thought and game awareness which makes me suspicious that you're the only real scumread he's pushed and that his underlying reasons for voting you don't seem truly convincing
He's not been leveraging his vote with purpose at all and that's becoming a problem as the game goes on. Same with Smart, which is why I think either is a good shot"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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mm I don't think N2 is the best time for spicy vig shots"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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to be faiiiiiiiiiir I said it'd make you a good vig shot, but yes, I find not voting scummy. Why should I ever townread somebody who is not using the primary tool at their disposal to hunt scum?In post 5414, Something_Smart wrote:GL did you just say I was scum for not leveraging my vote?
also did we not talk about this earlier?In post 3835, GuiltyLion wrote:
what I'm looking for mainly is some type of commitment to a wagon that you think has a chance of happeningIn post 3833, Something_Smart wrote:what vote from me would make you townread me the most/scumread me the least?
whether that's obscure, TSQ, or somebody else specifically is less material to whether I understand who you think is the best flip for the game and why, and whether you're taking action to make that happen
I know you indicated a townread on Shea, so for me it's like - would you vote obscure? Why or why not? If not, why are you seemingly ok with him being at risk of lim and not pushing any alternatives that you think are better?
in a realistic sense voting obscure and then obscure flipping red would go a decent way towards weakening my scumread. I just won't have any reason to townread you until I can start to believe that you are trying to eliminate mafia"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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like, from a cynical lens I could make the argument that you purposefully withheld your vote and did nothing while several wagons built and then lost momentum, thus depriving us of any tangible information on how you felt about any of those players and wagons
it's anti-town play through and through"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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That's a terrible claim and like wildly unfortunate if it's somehow true lol. But it's just so convenient a scum claim that I have to consider it scum. I'm on the yeet the tweet train now"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Maybe this is unfair to think but I do kinda think Gamma is the type to soft a role like that, and I don't recall anything of the sort"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I've had a lovely weekend get together in Portland with a bunch of old friends
now buckling up to watch Lamar and the Ravens get revenge on Miami this fine Sunday morning
scumflip to cap things off would be pretty sweet"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Also scum should have shot the even night vigilante?? Lol
I did a cursory review of Gamma associatives with skitter/obscure and thought it looked not great. Dann also had a distancing vibe imo
I'm out on errands rn but will spend some time playing and writing it up tonight"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Oh wait I got that backwards lol nvm
Thought marci made last night's shot for some reason"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Anyway yeah will be back when I'm not hastily phone posting at cvs"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Yeah I wrote that post without thinking in my excitement for thread unlock, I thought marci made the shot last night mixed up which vig was whichIn post 5585, Datisi wrote:
no, this is mechanically better if they don't have a block, as it lets vigis get only 1 shot off, not 2In post 5578, GuiltyLion wrote:Also scum should have shot the even night vigilante?? Lol
would it be dumb to think this is townie for gl? very likely yes
I am the scum deepwolf mastermind this game, don't tr me for this"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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here's my gamma->skit/obscure thoughts
Spoiler: early gamma reads
gamma opens with a scumread on skitter but doesn't vote it or explain it, despite other people calling skitter town early game IIRC
we could also consider a rule of three here since HEM/scamper both very likely town
Spoiler: weird gamma/obscure interaction
This interaction is awkward both ways. obscure SRs Gamma for bad reads but again in that slightly LAMISTy way of "I TR the other two playersand I'm town, so Gamma is scummy"
and Gamma replies back calling it OMGUS but still isn't voting or pushing the slot at all, it's actually her first interaction with obscure
Spoiler: Gamma's Next Move
And then immediately votes Frog instead? The "traction" comment was odd as well because this was the VC at the time:
for due diligence I'll need to check what the context/thread vibe was in terms of people's reads but it's hard for me to buy that there was really any traction on Frog at all at this point.In post 1771, T3 wrote:
Gamma Emerald (4): Irrelephant11, fireisredsir, Frogsterking, Nero Cain
GuiltyLion (3): skitter30, DeasVail, Dannflor
Dannflor (2): humaneatingmonkey, GuiltyLion
Irrelephant11 (2): Datisi, Aristeia
Firebringer (1): VP Baltar
VP Baltar (1): Ausuka
obscure (1): Firebringer
ConManMick (1): scamper
Aristeia (1): ConManMick
Frogsterking (1): Gamma Emerald
Not voting (3): marcistar, xofelf, Ydrasse
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-09 23:15:00). With 20 alive, 11 is needed to lim and 10 to no lim.
Spoiler: Anther bad obscure/gamma interaction
This just feels like a really lifeless reply - like if Gamma thinks obscure is a viable miiselim, and obscure is town on the right track, why go with a blunt dismissal instead of trying harder to discredit obscure or make him look bad?
Spoiler: D2 gamma reads
Still sticking with the obscure scumread surrounded by likely two townslots, still not really pushing or voting obscure
and then TSQ calls Gamma out for not pushing either of HEM/obscure at all really, and Gamma's response is to SR and vote TSQ
so despite claiming to scumread skit/obscure slot for the entirety of two days, Gamma at no point cases it, votes it, or does anything to move it along, instead choosing to park a vote on TSQ
In post 3848, T3 wrote:
Something_Smart (6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey
obscure (3): Dannflor, Thestatusquo, Ausuka
Thestatusquo (2): Gamma Emerald, Datisi
DeasVail (1): obscure
marcistar (1): DeasVail
Dannflor (1): Nero Cain
Not voting (3): Something_Smart, marcistar, Enchant
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-18 20:44:00)
Mod notes: this was right near my school
In post 3902, T3 wrote:
Something_Smart (5): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey
obscure (3): Dannflor, Thestatusquo, Ausuka
Thestatusquo (2): Gamma Emerald, Datisi
DeasVail (1): obscure
marcistar (1): DeasVail
Dannflor (1): Nero Cain
Nero Cain (1): Enchant
humaneatingmonkey (1): scamper
Not voting (2): Something_Smart, marcistar
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-18 20:44:00)
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that said, I'm also still fine with a S_S wagon and flip instead lul"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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yesterday at the time I thought there may be a busser cause a) vig game and b) the wagon on MT felt like it kinda sprung up with confidence fairly quickly, but then when I reread a bit last night I realized Tweet was pretty scummy and I just hadn't really been paying attention to that thread of the game, and the only slots I'd really consider for bussing are Dann/fireisredIn post 5646, scamper wrote:im not, like, saying its *impossible* tweet got bussed by someone but i wouldnt just assume it by default
and Dann's opening today felt kinda townie
I had a TSQ/Gamma paranoia for a moment but independently TSQ feels pretty townie to me and I think there was one Gamma post I thought felt really unpartnered, let me see if I can find it again"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I think it was thisIn post 3156, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 3123, Thestatusquo wrote:
Because gamma is the biggest example to my mind and also the one I think I might get some traction on.In post 3121, Datisi wrote:shea, is there a reason why you're pushing primarily gamma for that, when i feel like multiple people this game could fit that description to a similar degree?
Who are the others in your mind?
this feel incongruous to anyone else?In post 3093, Thestatusquo wrote:In post 3087, Something_Smart wrote:
I doubt anyone is going to consider your reads very heavily if you get elimmed, especially if you go out doing this.In post 3076, Thestatusquo wrote:No one is interacting with what I'm saying or taking me seriously so if the way I have to get my reads actually considered is to be elimmed then thats what I'll do.
The exception maybe is if you start yelling "AFTER I DIE KILL X". But if you want to do that, at least try to push through X today and force a 1v1.In post 3070, Thestatusquo wrote:Tomorrow look at Gamma with any degree of seriousness.
I also am low key worried about ydrasse, something_smart, guiltylion, dannflor
Don't feel like getting into a 1v1 because I don't feel strongly enough about any read to do that.
it feels neither meant to anti-associate gamma with TSQ nor meant to pick a theatrical fight with them
instead it feels like scum discrediting town to me"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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@Frog - meh, I don't think they're especially hard to fake or demonstrably town-indicative? I'm not great at reading S_S, I chronically scumread him except perhaps HDP where I mistakenly townread him when he was scum, I feel regardless of his alignment he tends to float around and take shots at bad reasoning without doing much proactively himself. I suspect he takes care to play the game similarly as either alignment, most of my central reasons for not liking his slot are FB's play.
but yeah I don't really see any of those posts as especially hard to imagine coming from scum. 5103 is just him describing his mafia philosophy. 5118 is a hedgey read on DV that ultimately says DV's read "doesn't make a lot of sense", but it's hard to parse whether S_S thinks that's actually AI. 5204 is just shading DV, I don't even think I really follow Smart's thought process, like DV basically took a very unsurvivalist stance by turning down an obscure wagon/vote - sure, we maybe shouldn't TR that since it could be scum!DV taking a risk, but again, does Smart actually scumread DV or is he just telling you not to TR him? Does Smartactually want DV limmed??That's the question he should be answering that he isn't.
all that said, I feel obscure is scummier than S_S if I had to choose between the two. I mainly just have issues with FB and no real reason to think S_S is town."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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this isn't a bad pointIn post 5655, Something_Smart wrote:Well, I have to imagine that if I were on a scumteam with someone who repped into a slot being wagoned, they would probably look to me for claim advice, and I would probably provide it. Or at least I would say "lol don't claim that, it will be really obvious you are scum" and she is probably the type of person to listen."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I just skimmed up and I feel Mena's reaction is townie
especially the "wait my slot claimed lol" post
I need to work for a bit but I think I also need to reset on this game a lil bit
mindlessly rolling into a Smart wagon is probably notbadbut I should probably look harder in the Dann/fireisred/DV group"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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dude I've been telling you for games if not yearsIn post 5901, Something_Smart wrote:well be the change you wish to see in the world? what could I do to help you read me better?
vote
participate in wagons
make it clear what your reads are"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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oh speaking of this, your 5758 reminded me of another thing I saw as a disassociative between Relly-now-TSQ & GammaIn post 5920, Datisi wrote:i am literally rereading the game (and in the process getting reminded of irrel's play) but i am not making a final judgement until i get there and also all my posts have a point, even if it doesn't seem like it
the vote with "I'll explain later" (aka the "2 points isn't 2 points" method) reaallyyy doesn't vibe to me like an agendapost"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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that was a joke referring to LeBron famously saying '2 points ain't 2 points [...] I can explain it to you later'"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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