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Oh no I like MathBlade, I am so sorry you have to read this game.

OH FUCK ITS MATH LOL

What did I get myself into?? Lol

Someone wanna catch me up while I read?

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yawn

they talk as if they know my scum game even though i have no completed games, so they have no idea what to expect from Me as scum

lol i dont want to be an asshole but honestly it feels like youre admitting you are mafia in anoyher ongoing game and you didnt flip

This is NAI. And even if you disagree with me and think it is re-evaluate and just say it pings you. Let's not go down the ongoing games route. There is really no good response to that post.

Devil's advocate here: What is UC Voyager's alignment and why? Keep it to this game. That phrasing is common here but if you have an issue with it talk about it with the mod please.

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Oh no I like MathBlade, I am so sorry you have to read this game.

OH FUCK ITS MATH LOL

What did I get myself into?? Lol

Someone wanna catch me up while I read?

Do you want me to spoils claims or nah? i personally dont like when im catching up

The people you should be really reading into are

Cabd early game
Quick/Nero/Bee/Whiskers/Myself

I like to have the claims so after I read I can then compare to the claims and see what "jives" and matches.

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yawn

they talk as if they know my scum game even though i have no completed games, so they have no idea what to expect from Me as scum

lol i dont want to be an asshole but honestly it feels like youre admitting you are mafia in anoyher ongoing game and you didnt flip

This is NAI. And even if you disagree with me and think it is re-evaluate and just say it pings you. Let's not go down the ongoing games route. There is really no good response to that post.

Devil's advocate here: What is UC Voyager's alignment and why? Keep it to this game. That phrasing is common here but if you have an issue with it talk about it with the mod please.

Oh cmon, its just the phrasing, i would argue here but i wont since the mod just said not to talk about it

Okay then are you going to address the question I asked? What is your Voyager read?

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UNVOTE:

Just in case pie doesn't do standard Unvote on replace in.

[MathBlade]

HARD CLAIM JESTER

You remind me of Nero Cain. This is gonna be a fun game.

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE:

Just in case pie doesn't do standard Unvote on replace in.

just ftr im CloudKicker

Sweet! You are fun to play with.

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lol.....all my games are on going

Why do you feel the need to lulzaly fake claim? on one hand I feel like your just annoying town but then I think scum try to be all cute and friendly and you could be doing that.

Lol hi Nero.

Brain confused stomach laughter overload.

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So Beeboy is town. Yay

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vote:CABD

I have my reasons

Nero's town.

This means I am fully expecting Nero to scumread me incorrectly in 3....2....1

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I will never try this again. that took way to long.

I can't read this. Can you please type it out?

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Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to

Vote: Axle Greaser

for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating. Was going to hop on Ali wagon but this is insufferable. Meanwhile,
FOS Cabd for the soft Vig/SK claim, FOS UC Voyager for the

overt

SK claim, which, while I don't buy (because he claimed "Town-Aligned SK"), regular SKs, and Day-Vigs (where being one doesn't necessarily clear him) are quite likely, and I think it's a breadcrumb.

Ahh, it's all coming back to me now...

I am not seeing the scum motivation here to outing Cabd as some crumb. So someone explain to me why the whiskers wagon is a thing?

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Hi math. I'd say long time no see but yeah.

Yeah...I thought you guys did good modding

/me hugs

Long time no play together? Glad that is fixed now.

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Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to

Vote: Axle Greaser

for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating. Was going to hop on Ali wagon but this is insufferable. Meanwhile,
FOS Cabd for the soft Vig/SK claim, FOS UC Voyager for the

overt

SK claim, which, while I don't buy (because he claimed "Town-Aligned SK"), regular SKs, and Day-Vigs (where being one doesn't necessarily clear him) are quite likely, and I think it's a breadcrumb.

Ahh, it's all coming back to me now...

Why on earth would anyone ever in a billion years soft SK?

Town

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Claim now Math

I claim to love my pants

[MathBlade]

claim your role.

I claim my role as my own.

*goes back to reading the thread with the large countdown clock getting ready to read zero*

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In fact I care a billion times over about your perception of your vote; and why you think it's useful to OMGUS every single person who votes you instead of actually doing something with it.

And with that said;

VOTE: Holy Spirit Turtle

You're coming off just like Penguin's newbie and that is notokay.jpg

Link? I don't know what you're referring to here.

[MathBlade]

In fact I care a billion times over about your perception of your vote; and why you think it's useful to OMGUS every single person who votes you instead of actually doing something with it.

And with that said;

VOTE: Holy Spirit Turtle

You're coming off just like Penguin's newbie and that is notokay.jpg

Link? I don't know what you're referring to here.

Can you read the thread then ask questions after? i know it might be rude but this doesnt look like an efficient way to catch up

It actually is an efficient way to catch up for a couple of different reasons
1) It lets people see what I am thinking while I am reading it. So it helps people read me as I am reading the thread.

2) It gives me a sounding off board of thoughts so as I have questions people can respond to them in real time and if I am off on the wrong track at the start of my read people can correct it sooner. I actually used to be a Waller and this was a suggestion to try to avoid my own biases.

3) I am phone posting at 10:30 at night and am too damn lazy to get my laptop.

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vote:Math

I think that was a fakeclaim from Alisae.

Called it.

[MathBlade]

maybe stop playing like trash?

Maybe stop playing like trash and attacking me for what Alisae already said was a shit post?

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If no one else can agree on Joey or Beeboy I would compromise on alisae.

"If no one else can agree on the most obvious town and the 2nd most obvious town i would compromise on the third most obvious town."

I don't think there are any obvious town in day 1 aside from dunk. That is something scum would say.

Lol Cabd is obvTown. Like obvTowns are just a thing and I already have several barring earth shattering events.

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If the mason claims are true (which I haven't gotten there yet but generally scum aren't stupid enough to fake claim mason) then this game is in an amazing spot.

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If no one else can agree on Joey or Beeboy I would compromise on alisae.

"If no one else can agree on the most obvious town and the 2nd most obvious town i would compromise on the third most obvious town."

I don't think there are any obvious town in day 1 aside from dunk. That is something scum would say.

Lol Cabd is obvTown. Like obvTowns are just a thing and I already have several barring earth shattering events.

His behavior is not obvtown. If he is "obvtown" it is only because of his roleclaim. And there are scum/3p versions of his role.

I literally had to double check what people posted as claims because this pinged me so freaking hard.

Cabd, a person who has made more setups than I have probably played, would as scum take the negative utility and claim day vig and shoot someone D1? Barring a divine inspiration post I highly doubt that Cabd is scum. Like just I can't even fathom that.

I am sleepy as fuck but I will catch up more as I can. Will be at DnD and a friend at the airport so more phone posting for me.

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Like a scum day vig would NEVER shoot on day one if they had any sort of experience st all.

Like Cabd is like epic tier town.

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So Beeboy is town. Yay

Can you explain this read please?

Beeboy cared enough to post in RVS with the gold. Call it gut of knowing Beeboy?

Haven't been wrong on Beeboy in a long time.

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Weren't you wrong on him in Civ? That was pretty recent, yes?

Nope I was right.

It was what started the epic downfall.

No one listened to me and when I was proven right then I dug my heels in.

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he flipped town? Was it your sister that was scumreading him?

Yup.

I was townreading Beeboy.

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viewtopic.php?p=8851022#p8851022

Going to bed now will pick up later.

Not liking flubber in my reads so far.

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Who is mathblades sister?

Titus

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Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to

Vote: Axle Greaser

for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating. Was going to hop on Ali wagon but this is insufferable. Meanwhile,
FOS Cabd for the soft Vig/SK claim, FOS UC Voyager for the

overt

SK claim, which, while I don't buy (because he claimed "Town-Aligned SK"), regular SKs, and Day-Vigs (where being one doesn't necessarily clear him) are quite likely, and I think it's a breadcrumb.

Ahh, it's all coming back to me now...

I am not seeing the scum motivation here to outing Cabd as some crumb. So someone explain to me why the whiskers wagon is a thing?

...People on the Whiskers wagon explain this please.

[MathBlade]

Is that vote an indication the strength of you read went up?

this wording seems weird to me. I also didn't like his claiming a non-normal role but not explaining why he did so and I can't think of a town motivation reason why he'd do that.

Can't think of a scum one either. Ugh

Reads like he wants to paint Cabd as scum but then can't think of a way to do it.

VOTE: Flubber

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Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to

Vote: Axle Greaser

for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating. Was going to hop on Ali wagon but this is insufferable. Meanwhile,
FOS Cabd for the soft Vig/SK claim, FOS UC Voyager for the

overt

SK claim, which, while I don't buy (because he claimed "Town-Aligned SK"), regular SKs, and Day-Vigs (where being one doesn't necessarily clear him) are quite likely, and I think it's a breadcrumb.

Ahh, it's all coming back to me now...

I am not seeing the scum motivation here to outing Cabd as some crumb. So someone explain to me why the whiskers wagon is a thing?

You don't see why it benefits scum to point out softs?

Not in the slightest.

As scum without day chat I mention it in the night end conversations.
As scum with day chat I mention it there.

If anything as scum I try to steer conversation away from the crumb so Town doesn't pick up on it. Calling out a crumb as scum to me is a silly move strategically.

(Example Shadowrun where someone crumbed doctor with a doctor who reference) I just made a note to buddy the slot.

I am a huge proponent of keeping pants on (my thing for don't fucking role claim when you don't need to) and I think crumbs can be good if done well. If you can't use a broom don't leave a mess in the bakery.

I think scum benefits from when Town outs the crumbs but not when they do it themselves. It lets Town players organize which is something I don't want when I play scum.

Hence why Whiskers is probably town. And on the off chance Whiskers isn't Whiskers will be super easy to catch because they don't do the smart things.

I'd rather go for the hard to lynch scum first because there is more opportunity to have people off the wagon and still hit scum. Flubber fits that bill from what I have read.

Someone explain to me why the Quick wagon is a thing?

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Sorry for quadruple post

nauci looks like a town bois
UC keeps dumbtelling

-> VOTE: flubber thank you math i will always love youuuu

?????

This sketches me out.

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i hate when Math argues that if ppl don't play like Math does as scum then they must not be scum. This is a "scum wouldn't do that" argument and scum are certainly capable of doing that.

I even said they were capable of that. I said I didn't see the motivation and that the play itself is stupid and therefore they are not likely scum. If Whiskers does happen to be scum then they will do something else stupid and get caught. Hence why I asked for a Whiskers case.

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Someone explain to me why the Quick wagon is a thing?

He's disingenuous, being way too defensive, is pushing Whiskers for being defensive all while saying it isn't AI when people call him defensive.
Also he got really mad when I pushed him for roughly the same reason he started pushing Whiskers which just strikes me as odd if he genuinely believes in the push he is making he'd at least understand where I was coming from.

In other words, being Quick.

In the last game I played with Quick it was a dickens of a time to actually get them to vote Infinity who was my top scumread because of his resistance so much it flipped. Thankfully we compromised on Infinity first and I am still eating crow a bit from that but if Quick is defensive they're probably just annoying not actually scum.

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Also him getting way too mad + going "oh no I am lynched because of my meta again" while being at like L-5 with 2 other wagons reminds me of what he was trying to pull in Gistou.

Gistou was a hella different beast.

In that game I was scum and I was literally directing all of LQ's buddies since I couldn't be lynched to take care of Luna and it left my team free to do the kill. LQ rewarded me by strongman vigging me for being too Town. (I was the literal big bad and that was the only way I would have been NKd) This is not LQ Gistou.

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My reasons for thinking Whiskers could be scum are:

possible Joey-Whiskers team. Joey went batshit crazy when I, Dunk and supposedly Quick (I haven't looked to confirm.) voted him but calm when Whiskers did. Buddy interaction?

I am not a fan of the "Nauci is a noob, ignore her today." argument. I think my biggest issue with this is...like she's arguing that we have META on all these other players and therefore we should ignore scummy content from Nauci and focus on experienced players and those that we do have meta on. I think its a bad argument in and of itself but the biggest issue is that she is ok with me pushing Nauci tomorrow. We are not going to have meta on Nauci after a night phase. I'm not seeing a difference between a Nauci push d1 and a Nauci push d2.

Actually, we should consider the fact that this is noobscum covering for the partner. If Million flips scum, I'll want to look hard at you next.

this kinda worries me in hindsight. It's one of those classic bus buddy push town.

She also has alot of posts that are this kind of reprimanding ppl and I actually think that comes from scum alot.

There's one other thing that I'm loathe to out since I'm worried that it might out someone but I'll do it tomorrow if she doesn't get lynched.

But then a Nauci-Joey-Whiskers team is probs not a thing but I can't help the way I feel.

...???
Like you're saying something and then going no in the same post.

Where do you actually stand?

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-Voting for Quick because

Was there meant to be a vote in this post?

If not, what can I do to entice you to vote for Quick, or at least run him up to L-1?

The Benadryl knocked me out before I realized I forgot to post a vote lmao

VOTE: Quick

I'm going to be passed out for the next day on Benadryl because I am covered in massive hives. One of them is roughly the size of a women's shoe.

Feel better!

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So many words

++Rep

Don't get me wrong I am Town but no one ever deserves a townread for the amount of words they put up.

I have put up epic rants on not claiming and 32 player read walls as scum.

No. This is bad.

FoS Nauci

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I'm caught up, but that was by half assed skimming the the thread.

I agree with beeboy's thoughts on quick. I can't remember if I already said this, but I don't like that he was frustrated by the game pace but also posting in a way contributing to it. Not as prominent with alisae replacing out but still relevant imo.

quick

I caught you asking about my scum read on you so here you go.

VOTE: quick

I see the survivalist mentality, and this day needs to end.

This needs rope badly.

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Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to

Vote: Axle Greaser

for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating. Was going to hop on Ali wagon but this is insufferable. Meanwhile,
FOS Cabd for the soft Vig/SK claim, FOS UC Voyager for the

overt

SK claim, which, while I don't buy (because he claimed "Town-Aligned SK"), regular SKs, and Day-Vigs (where being one doesn't necessarily clear him) are quite likely, and I think it's a breadcrumb.

Ahh, it's all coming back to me now...

I am not seeing the scum motivation here to outing Cabd as some crumb. So someone explain to me why the whiskers wagon is a thing?

...People on the Whiskers wagon explain this please.

Damn. I tried putting the reasons here, but nested spoilers dont work.

My reasons are in 2142

In it is part of an ongoing discussion with Whiskers about his posts.
The TLDR is now here in bold.

I have some other issues with your ISO, back in the range From about 253 Onwards.

Spoiler:

defending self example

(see spoiler in the link)


Spoiler:

Filler

(see spoiler in the link)

Basically, I see you playing in the thread in that part of the game, dont see your towny intent.

My question I suppose is can you explain whats going on so I see the towny intent?

And so far, I haven't manage to see that range of posts (from the quoted one on up to his reads list) as having towny intent.
and my problem with that was there were so many opportunities to ask questions probe and try to find things out but it just kept not happening.

and yes it is a judgement call, but I still see them as the best most likely to flip scum wagon.

This is a lot of words here but I don't see a reason why other than you don't see "Towny intent"? That is empty as fuck and if I used that I would just end up lynching everyone with a different mindset other than myself.

Is that really all you have despite all those words? Like both Town and scum defend themselves. I just don't understand your case like at all.

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I kind of want to wait for IaI and Shiro and Math to catchup but I don't think that'll happen and I agree that a 90+ page d1 as it is. If I'm wrong and he flips scum great but I'm not gung-ho about it.

VOTE:Quick

That's L-1, no one hammer until he claims and ppl get in their last thoughts. And if he's scum then he can self-hammer if he wants.

Hell I am still catching up with Friday!!

I will be reading overnight but this Quick wagon is shit and your vote on it is horrible.

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You realize why I am blacklisting you right?

angry and lashing out like my 3-year-old nephew?

scum that's threatening me?

No because you said I was VI and you said you would rather see me lynched even though you think I am Town.

Although to be fair if I misread Nero which I doubt then Nero being scum this would make sense but nah...too many earlier Town pings.

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UNVOTE:

I don't like leaving people at L-1

Really?

What would I be holding off self hammering for exactly?

IaI catch up.

On page 20, need to get the kiddos down before I can resume. What I can share is there are at least 4 questionable cats on the quick wagon so I doubt he's scum just from that.

As of page 20 whiskers and nauci are my top 2 suspects.

Nauci I can see for giving me rep for wordy posts.

Whiskers gonna need to explain it like I am 5 because like ????

[MathBlade]

This sounds like a policy lynch which is almost for sure going to end up a mislynch

Agreed.

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Spoiler: Clearing this up == oops sorry

So was that a waste of your fucking time?
Nope. We are now talking, you see I am not just railroading you, and then I possibly have more questions.

They wont be railroading you either.

I don't really understand this. Did I say this would be a waste of my fucking time? :\

Sorry didn't mean to imply that. I was answering hypothetical question. I had an even with joey a while ago where he go upset with me seemingly wasting his time i was trying to avoid that.

You also at no point suggested i was railroading you.
This:

They wont be railroading you either.

is assurance you can hold me accountable for it if I do.

dealing with an example of defending self without displaying towny curiosity.

Spoiler: defending

I have some other issues with your ISO, back in the range From about 253 Onwards.
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i just ctrl+f "angry" on alisae's iso and he never mentionned you being angry : )

This feels just as faked as Whisker's Anger.

Get rekt, scrub.

I find too many posts like this where you defend yourself.

and fine you are meant to do that.
and yes a bit later you had a vote on, Alisae.

but this does not feel to me like you are trying to work out Alisae

or trying to drive that scum case forward.
Having fended them off you feel Happy with just that.

I know that as that is my feel read kind of thing, there is perhaps nothing you can really say.
You are busy, but if you want to talk me off that point, but i think its unlikely you could go back remember what you were doing as a towny and explain it more.</area>

My push on Alisae wasn't getting traction. Nobody was willing to look at her while I pushed, and my push was largely a hypocritical push on me and otherwise having bad logic. Plus posts like the "get rekt" one, I was 2v1 and appreciated being able to wave a mistake in their face.

From memory: I agree I believe i saw these happen:

push on Alisae wasn't getting traction

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Nobody was willing to look at her

It also looked like you

appreciated being able to wave a mistake in their face.

and while it those things

but this does not feel to me like you are trying to work out Alisae

which is my problem with those posts is still true.

continued answering rest of post 2382 still coming in next post (or there abouts)

Yeah still don't get it.

I get excited when scum push me for a mislynch because I get excited I get to rub it in their faces and will cause their downfall.

So it is more "feeling". I need something more than "gut" or "feeling" if you're scumreading Whiskers.

It feels like Whiskers is a popular person to scumread versus being scum.

I would look at Nauci and Flubber.

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Can't talk about UCV for raisins. And the fact that you are going after him and not, say, IAI or Chara is telling as well. Chara needs to be replaced, period.

IDK what my read on Mathblade is. IDK why you care either.

Are those raisins you can explain? Considering there's a good chance you're about to be lynched? If not I won't fuckin' bother but there's a decent chance Voyager is a future lynch/vig, so if there's something that

only you know

((as a VT??)) then I think you should report it.

I care what your read on the Alisae slot is because of the reasons I listed the first time I asked.
I care because you gave reads on other nicely-tangled slots but not on her.

That's because Alisae (slot) was out of the game for quite a while, while we were waiting on a replacement. I don't have enough to gauge Math yet. I am disappointed that he cut his catchup so sort and that is mildly Scummy in and of itself IMO.

What I was contemplating with Alisae is that I have seen Alisae attack me as soon as possible and then end up Town reading me. He did this when He was Scum and I was Town. There is also the whole BS thing regarding the logical fallacy he made regarding how previous engagements have something to do with the way he should read me in the future.

My catchup isn't cut short. See Gay Mafia or recently completed morph the cat game. I catch up while interacting with people. Is this gonna be a game where you attack me for being me?

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Ino quick rxn is pretty much town and that os disregarding a lot of scum stuff he did, neros rationale is not super good as always but it kinda feels likes town which points me to

Why in the world arent we lynch flub yet? Theres a very disctinct lack of cooperation to just lynch a scummy slot, quick towntold in his manner much more than flub ever did, the better explanation is just that flibbs scum and isnt getting bussed

Are you saying flub is town here because they have the possibility of Town telling or that they did in a small amount?

Explain this post to me.

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Gotta go left off page 98.

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vote:Quick

Someone hammer this worthless piece of shit.

Someone teach Nero how not to attack the player.

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votecount 1-2.24

Quick (7) - Whiskers, Cabd, UC Voyager, Nauci, Flubbernugget, AxleGreaser, gerryoat

Flubbernugget (5) - HolySpiritTurtle, MathBlade, Joey_, Rhah, Quick
Whiskers (2) - Nero Cain, I Am Innocent
UC Voyager (1) - TwoInAMillion

Not voting (2) - Shiro, beeboy

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Nauci is V/LA until October 23. Shiro is V/LA until October 25.

People we have less than 48 hours. It is Quick or Flubber today anything else is a vanity or flash wagon. We need to get a lynch today y'all. I really want it to be flubber today and I am trying to catch up what happened recently.

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I think gerry is Town.

Can you give last reads in case someone hammers while I am catching up?

[MathBlade]

Town:
Nero Cain
Rhah
HST
beeboy
Cabd
gerryoat
Whiskers
Quick
TIAM
Nauci

Middle of the way / don't really care sorting rn:
Alisae

Can die today (aka leftovers):
IAI
Axle
Flubber
Joey_
UCV

Special Exception:
Shiro

Ok that was too funny!!!

What's so funny? I actually find this list pretty accurate. Still need to finish the meat of the catch-up sandwhich but what do you find wrong about it?

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VOTE: Nero cain trying to pick off a player that can't defend themselves

this pinged me a little bit. I know its RVS and all so it

probably

means nothing but ya know, it was bullshit reasoning.

Also pocketing seems to be the new buzzword of the season and I'm not entirely sure what it means

it's just buddying. The new kids think all their stuff is better so...

Alisae's cabd push is bad but I don't see it coming from scum. I think we're early enough in the game that I can put people "real time" scumhunting into a town pile. However, vote on nauci is bad.

I do kinda like these though. Alisae/Math claiming Miller is a thing that scum have faked before and it's not impossible that Alisae does that but Alisae pushing a killing role is a bit bold and I've heard that Alisae is kinda a wus as scum.

I'm going to put two in a million in my scum pile for talking a lot about cabd.

thought it seems a bit hypocritical and selective to scum read UC for that but not Alisae.

Hoping for something like a vig able to take care of dunkedoodles and

nauci

also kinda odd he wants Nauci vigged but he didn't like Alisae's vote on her.

okay cool so now we know dunkaroo was a counterwagon to whiskers too

We've already talked about this and its why I started scumreading him. At the time I didn't realize that he was already scumreading Whiskers but I still think his "Dunk was a counter wagon to Whiskers is not entirely true. Either Axel thinks its a good point or he's scum parroting me here.

You're saying there's only three scum?

this was a really weird conclusion to make and it feels almost kinda he was trying to setup me up for "slipping". Like, I'd expect no

LESS

than 4 scum in an 18 player. 4 scum in a 17 is common and I don't think I've ever seen 5 scum in anything that's not 21 players.

IF

CABD is a 3rd party daykilling serial killer then a 3 man team scum would make sense. Even if it's not a 3 man team I could see him barking at me as scum and

PRETENDING

that I slipped like he could use the same argument that I made for it being 4 and suggest that me thinking it has to be 3 can only be a slip. Idk, it was just a bizarre post.

the rest of his ISO is meh.

I don't see Nero scum here.

Like 3P Daykilling SK is beyond silly.

And if he was as an SK he wouldn't claim it because then that would put a target on his back.

Like no. Why are you still proposing Cabd scum worlds? Am I like in twilight zone here?

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So many words

++Rep

Don't get me wrong I am Town but no one ever deserves a townread for the amount of words they put up.

I have put up epic rants on not claiming and 32 player read walls as scum.

No. This is bad.

FoS Nauci

Lmao just because I cut the quote out doesn't mean "so many words" is why I liked it. It was a good post because of its content.

Okay tell me what.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: flubber

Cabd I have a weird question for you.

Can you like rank the entire game in four categories?

First is like obv Town
Second is like prob Town
Third is null
Fourth is prob scum

If you have some that you're not quite sure where they fall but this was the closest spot put a * after it so I can tell you are waffling.

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I think Nero could be Scum here.

I know you are dumb.

Well, like, you keep making these dumb arguments and repeating them over and over like a broken record.

But sure, OMGUS me.

I would ask you whats dumb but....

OMGUS implies that I scum read you. I don't. I just think you are bad and dumb.

Like 3P Daykilling SK is beyond silly.

And if he was as an SK he wouldn't claim it because then that would put a target on his back.

Like no. Why are you still proposing Cabd scum worlds? Am I like in twilight zone here?

Its impossible to have a 3rd part daykiller in a normal b/c ____?

Oh that's right it isn't.

CABD claiming as scum is just LAMIST which is very doable by scum.

Not that I think he's scum or even that the point was that he could be scum but its Math and its not like reading is a strong suit of the Titus sisters. :/

Because Cabd has enough experience not to do that. Lololol

Erm...Are you going to argue that I actually have a bad point or reads somewhere or are you just insulting me and trying to trigger me by misgendering me? I have rewritten this post multiple times to keep it not attacking you which was a feet in and of itself but you've played in enough games to know I don't like being called female. Fucking can it.

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People we have less than 48 hours. It is Quick or Flubber today anything else is a vanity or flash wagon. We need to get a lynch today y'all.

This is kinda yucky.

....You trying to setup to mislynch me? There is nothing icky about trying to make sure we have a lynch with less than 48 hours left.

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votecount 1-2.25

Quick (7) - Whiskers, UC Voyager, Nauci, Flubbernugget, AxleGreaser, gerryoat, Nero Cain

Flubbernugget (6) - HolySpiritTurtle, MathBlade, Joey_, Rhah, Quick, Cabd
Whiskers (1) - I Am Innocent
UC Voyager (1) - TwoInAMillion

Not voting (2) - Shiro, beeboy

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Nauci is V/LA until October 23. Shiro is V/LA until October 25.

Shiro needs prod or replace.
Beeboy TIAM IAI are all in the cmon now club.

Pick a stance or talk about where you are struggling.

Let's not continue to talk at let's tal with.

Oh and Nero that same question I asked Cabd I want it from you too.

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I think Nero could be Scum here.

I know you are dumb.

Well, like, you keep making these dumb arguments and repeating them over and over like a broken record.

But sure, OMGUS me.

I would ask you whats dumb but....

OMGUS implies that I scum read you. I don't. I just think you are bad and dumb.

Like 3P Daykilling SK is beyond silly.

And if he was as an SK he wouldn't claim it because then that would put a target on his back.

Like no. Why are you still proposing Cabd scum worlds? Am I like in twilight zone here?

Its impossible to have a 3rd part daykiller in a normal b/c ____?

Oh that's right it isn't.

CABD claiming as scum is just LAMIST which is very doable by scum.

Not that I think he's scum or even that the point was that he could be scum but its Math and its not like reading is a strong suit of the Titus

sisters

. :/

Because Cabd has enough experience not to do that. Lololol

Erm...Are you going to argue that I actually have a bad point or reads somewhere or are you just insulting me and trying to trigger me by misgendering me? I have rewritten this post multiple times to keep it not attacking you which was a feet in and of itself but you've played in enough games to know I don't like being called female. Fucking can it.

Look for bold underline and itallics. Siblings...Please.

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Do you have a point?

no?

Oh and Nero that same question I asked Cabd I want it from you too.

Whats

YOUR

point?

MY point is trying to see if you're thinking about the game as a whole. I'm trying to understand why the hell you're still voting Quick and I am trying to see how you see the entire game to get to that point.

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VOTE: Quick

I don't like the threatening to self hammer thing.

If my math is right this is L-1 on Quick.

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I have to go to work but the opening Whiskers votes are clearly scum motivated. Flubber was clearly the counter wagon to Quick, doing a VCA late tonight should also help us net another.

VOTE: Flubber

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Catching up now.

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So just to clarify, you are town reading Whiskers b/c you think there's a lack of reasons to scumread her?

Care to explain to me why you think a player should be scumread when there's no reasons and I have explained why I townread Whiskers and no one has explained why it is bad?

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Especially when like 2 clears and myself wanted him ded

being cleared town doesn't make thier reads better. See Dunk.

Correct. However as cleared Town their reads are guaranteed to come from a good place. So while I hate town blocks I find that taking what masons say important.

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So just to clarify, you are town reading Whiskers b/c you think there's a lack of reasons to scumread her?

Care to explain to me why you think a player should be scumread when there's no reasons and I have explained why I townread Whiskers and no one has explained why it is bad?

I dont think that Nero "think a player should be scumread when there's no reasons", hes just asking if thats the correct way to interpret 2mil's fos

Lack of reasons = no reasons???

/confused

Like huh?

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Nero is right that it's common for wagons to run from town to town

But whiskers just isn't getting lynched despite not a lot of voices being against it

This is the WiFoM of a desperate player.

That means Whiskers is a mislynch or a null read or is (unlikely) scum. I can literally take resistance or what you are saying as resistance when it really isn't and make it into anything.

What can't be manipulated is the why of people are and aren't on the wagon. I have scumread you pretty damn close to on replace in and statements like this only reaffirm my read.

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Care to explain to me why you think a player should be scumread when there's no reasons and I have explained why I townread Whiskers and no one has explained why it is bad?

It's almost like other people have opinions that are different than yours. *GASP*

I think your reason for town reading Whiskers is shit anyways. I think the exact opposite of you...what the fuck is the town motivation of pointing out a crumb?

{{Newbie guide says to. Good rule of thumb is that if someone is softing a PR it is a good bet scum noticed. My guess is Whiskers read the newbie guide. I don't agree with that almost ever but....a lot of play here reminds me of newbies. }}

Correct. However as cleared Town their reads are guaranteed to come from a good place. So while I hate town blocks I find that taking what masons say important.

I'll take reads from bad players with a large helping of salt instead of buddying up to them.

I take bad reads with a heap of salt too but there is always SOMETHING positive that can come from it.

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That list from Nero is hella bad? How the hell does Nero have Shiro who hasn't posted in like ages in his town side?

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{{Newbie guide says to. Good rule of thumb is that if someone is softing a PR it is a good bet scum noticed. My guess is Whiskers read the newbie guide. I don't agree with that almost ever but....a lot of play here reminds me of newbies. }}

I mean ok sure but I don't think that really makes it ok or even has anything to do with Whiskers pointing out a soft claim as town. Wich should never be done. Why? In the hopes that scum did NOT catch the crumb/soft claim why the fuck would you advertise that?

There is a difference between what I think a newbie should do and what the wiki says. It is about the motivation of which I only see derp town not scum.

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@nero: can you remind me why you think nauci is scum?

@all: I am scum claiming looking to divert heat:

Ftfy

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Nero moving Shiro up is a freaking joke. So Flub Nero are a scum team.

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Simple reads for simple minds

Sometimes this "simple mind" is good at reading scum and finding the patterns.

#mayTheMathsOfTheWorldUnite

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The fact you have to attack me the player rather than my points or what I am posting means I am on the right track.

Do that again. I DARE you.

*sneers*

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Nero moving Shiro up is a freaking joke. So Flub Nero are a scum team.

I think you're a little eager there tbh.

Talk with me about why.

Pretty sure placing someone who isn't posting as Town instead of null is a pretty common scum move.

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Nero moving Shiro up is a freaking joke. So Flub Nero are a scum team.

I think you're a little eager there tbh.

Talk with me about why.

Pretty sure placing someone who isn't posting as Town instead of null is a pretty common scum move.

That's a very general assessment

Yes it is. It shows Nero is trying to look Town versus just being town. When Nero is town he at least tries. I've played with Nero enough to know that this isn't like him.

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It is about the motivation of which I only see derp town not scum.

yeah, I'm not really getting derp town from someone that's actively trying to point out crumbs. That's seems super malicious.

It shows Nero is trying to look Town

this is a very weird statement. Like, don't you think if I was trying to "look town" I'd have Shiro much further down my list instead of a controversial one? Like sometimes I think you just say things and not know what they mean.

No it reads like trying to fake a derp tell because people suspect you. Looking Town can take many forms.

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I think Alisae's slot still has some big jumps in logic, despite the replacement.

albeit smaller jumps than before.

I think youre town and your attitude towards flub is unwarranted

I don't like

Alisae

Mathblade defending me by ignoring my wagon.
I don't think a policy lynch wagon counts as "counterwagon to scum." `

Why not? You could say that its hard to get a verbalized PL wagon, like no one and their mothers wants to be caught on a PL wagon, especially not scum. Why did that happen then? Maybe because there was an incentive outside the PL itself which is the CW to mefias.

I am ignoring it because I townread Whiskers and no one is actually explaining why I townread him away.

Nero tried but it only reinforced my read. That level of play I just can't see coming from scum. So I am hunting elsewhere.

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Also very little interaction between UCV/Lucky and Joey. Scumteam anyone?

I doubt Joey is but I could compromise on UCV.

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Also very little interaction between UCV/Lucky and Joey. Scumteam anyone?

I doubt Joey is but I could compromise on UCV.

Any defense doesn't actually include a good reason why he is town.

I've played with Cloudkicker enough *shrug* I can generally tell when he is Mafia and who he could be partners with. I just can't see Joey as scum with UCV.

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Pretty sure there's scum in them there lurkers. Like we haven't been able to get anywhere on any lynch.

[MathBlade]

*yawns* It's 1 am and sleepy.

prod dodge I got off work super late. Will catch up later.

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Yea. I'm sorry. I have been a little busy lately so I have been posting more in other games.... : p

I can try to catch up and make valid points when and if I get the chance

When im mafia and i have multiple games active, i always feel like my scumgame is more of a duty etc and if i has limited time i would prefer to post in my town games. The way he is phrasing it “so i have been posting more in other games” just doesnt explain why the other games pver this one, he couldve sais they were more active or interesting but he just didnt which leave the reason why he would prefer to post outside. This is coherent with the fact that ucv lost interest in the game pretty fast an started to post random shit

This post is terribad.

What you prefer may or may not be what UCV preferred or UCV could have had RL. We just don't know.

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iso rhah. this seems to be more townie for him.....so im giving him a townie read
two in a million seems a little off......
This is quicks norm (at least what i know from him)
Dunkerdoodle seems really off his town game
Joey seems really townie -- a lot of scum hunting, but at the same time, defending people who are likely town.... (

VOTE: quick


I like Joey.......He seems very townie.

I have seen Quick in a few other games, and this is nothing normal for him

He contradicts his quick read here. I know two days passed but still, he shouldve explained it cause this look opportunistic to me

Why are you trying to make a case on a Replaced out player rather than people here who can respond?

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VOTE: IaI

Joey...Like....what? Like I townread you by gut but like I have the flu. These posts are so bad I may have forum poisoning.

[MathBlade]

Guys

UCV wasn't scum

Whiskers is still asking questions for the sake of nothing more than asking questions

Get it together

??? Scumslip ???

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Looked at Mini Normal 1890 where you are scum. First thing that jumped out at me was that you were lynched, your scum team still won,

but you didn't post at all at the end game, which tells me you aren't really interested in feedback/growing as a player

, which is consistant with your current alt.

Mmmm, that's good confirmation bias.

and this is a post from Boonskiies that presumably lead to your lynch on the day you replaced in as scum:

We lynch this today. That is just a ridiculous thing to attack. Look at that. He says I was wrong about what it was when I didn't even explain it? Why the fuck would I explain it? I don't give a fuck what any of you all think. I flat out stated that it wasn't the reason too, so stop discrediting. Holy fuck, never been more sure of a scum slot than this.

Suggests you are not as great a player as you think you are, and that your surface attitude(trying to be disruptive, not trying to find scum) is probably more of your real attitude/intentions that just bad play.

I don't think that's a good quote to represent it unless you want to give us some more context-- All I'm seeing is a player talking a lot of shit, which plenty of people in this game have done. "XYZ is totally scummy and 100% scum, we lynch this today!!" like we haven't already had people try to wield total town power already, in this game. I don't think it's indicative of Joey's play. JS.

I don't consider meta on another site actual meta.

reading thread OP

js

Please explain.

Because we already knew that Joey was an alt for Cloudkicker. We knew this way before Alisae replaced out. And even if you didn't, Joey had

just

posted screencaps with posts from Cloudkicker, that he was claiming were his. "Hey I wrote this Cloudkicker post" is a sign that maybe Joey is Cloudkicker, idk.

2mil being SAVAGE here

is he though?
(why are these posts better than earlier posts?)

ok whiskers is not going to be as easy as flubber

Heh, try reading Alisae/Math.

Hell, try reading Quick!
I just broke two pages a little while ago, but Quick was well into ISO page 2 range by the time he was lynched.

i thought it was a rule yu couldn't use things like avatar's as reason to vote someone or make a case against them.....tbh im not the biggest fan of anime either. i think it is kind of dumb

Im rereading ucv, this is prob his first post i find actually scummy

??? What about this is scummy? Noob is noob.

What do ya mean by the underlined huh?

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Well I mean, the main wagons are all wagons I like, which is probably a sign that there's something very wrong. Why do I want to lynch Whiskers?

Could be why none are progressing if they are all on scum and the scum would be distributed on a bus or just scum lurkers? Like I thought?

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vote:Gerry

lets kill this lurker scum

kill is mafia terms

...Done that before...ms just mixes them up now. I think Nero is scum but not for that.

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I make it a policy to pretend TIAM posts don't exist.

Horrible idea. Can you not find at least one point of common ground? Seriously it is highly likely the duo are masons and we need to work together. The game is already apathetic.

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Scum is trying to split up the town again and force a bad lynch.

Gmta

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And I have not claimed anything.

You've claimed by not claiming.

If Rhah wasn't your mason buddy you'd cc thus giving us a confirmed scum.

[MathBlade]

Catching up now.

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Ok so lets start with the easy things. I completely dislike the conf town slots for being next to useless so far. TIAM wasted alot of time and drew alot of attention with the anti Cabd town paranoia. If Rhah's claim wasn't so town spontaneous, I'd call it some kind of gambit. If on the off chance Rhah, you are actually just neighbors with TIAM, please claim now and don't be afraid when we lynch him. Both of you are just sitting on your cred of the claim.

Rhah is barely here and adds little to the conversation. This post told me enough that I don't need to pay attention to anything Rhah has to say any more and neither do the rest of town.
Hey Gerry, did you even push UCV?

TIAM is here but not reading completely and just coming to bad conclusions. Hell he didn't even notice UCV subbed out and voted him at day start. He's here, he just isn't trying hard. I won't be listening to anything this conf town has to say either.

Cabd, I joined this game for you (yes I know I'm talking to a dead man but he usually follows his dead games), where the hell were you? You took advantage of your role in the best way mechanic wise but did squat all with the scum hunting opp you had.

Ok done with them. Let's talk about the other corpses.

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Quick was an asshole, that doesn't mean his reads were wrong. For the record, his last reads list had Nauci, Joey and Whiskers at the scum side.

Dunkers was actually kind of useless, I don't put much weight on his reads but here they were (joey/beeboy/holyspirit/turtle/someone else). This doesn't help much but Joey was on both dying players list and... well you probably jumped to the end of this post and saw I'm voting joey so there is that. If a third dead townie dies and also has joey on their list can you please fucking lynch him please?

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Let's go over everything Shiro has added to the game

...

Ok done.

IAI also lurked for the first 2k posts of this game. His content has been pretty good since then, so I'm ok not lynching this. I do seriously think that there does not exist a game where scum doesn't have one lurker on their team. So knowing that my lurker slot is town, and given that I like IAI, it's probably Shiro. One scum down.

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I am skipping over beeboy, Nero, HST, and Axle because they are furthest from the scum side of the spectrum for me and I don't like talking about my town reads in case they are wrong. If you push me on it, I'll talk about it but I don't think it's a good idea for town to tell unconf players that might be scum what they are doing right to get a town read from them.

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Ok on to some meatier stuff. The Alisae slot. It was middle of the road for me until some alarm bells went off for me. Particular the bit where Cabd threw out his intent to shoot dunker and she was quick to post that she doesn't think it will flip scum. Everything about how Alisae did that and the way she was going about her content seemed like she had insider info. Her interactions with Cabd seemed like fake attempts to be friendly with a day vig, especially when she danced around saying the words day vig. Mathblade replacing in has been significantly better, but I'm not over this slot possibly being scum. I'm benching this slot for now.

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whiskers. early day 1 showed alot of frustration and caps sentences in his wall posts that came across like alot of scum faking town frustration. This slot got a bit better. I don't know if that missing the scum day chat in the rules was fake or not, but I will also bench this slot.

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Flubber spends the little time he is here debating the normalness of a day vig during phase of 1 of the game, goes into some useless mod setup spec theorizing. I suppose this is NAI, but I personally think scum do this more than town. It does nothing but spread doubt in the minds of town and makes them look like they were contributing. Missing/forgetting the mason claim was kind of bad, something I think scum is also more prone to do then town. I mean, scum already knows who town is so a mason claim isn't important to them. I like this slot as another scum possibility.

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Nauci early reads: Def scum. Middle of read: def noobtown. near end of the read: no wait she is scum after all. Then she forgets dunker is dead. I honestly don't know how to process that. Noobtown mistake? Super fake scum acting?

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Gerry you are like vanilla ice cream at Ben and Jerry's. I wasn't even paying attention to you. Don't get me wrong, I get it, you want my slot dead. I guess I need to interact with you some here. You've shown that you are constantly willing for my lynch, but can you sum up why for me again? Let's start a dialogue.

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Finally Joey Underscore. Joey's reaction to the day vig flip was fake. Joey moving votes in quick succession on page 66 was pretty scummy. His sheep to beeboy was scummier. His next post after that declaring he is sure the conf town are conf town is scum trying to look town. The entire Quick vs Joey back and forth can now be looked at from a perspective of knowing that quick was town, so did anyone go back and read that? Cause Joey is scum. He white knights TIAM, and I think at one point says that he knew TIAM was town before the mason claim. The assessment that joey is buddying everyone he can is accurate and it is scum, please lynch it.

VOTE: Joey-

This post had me laughing out loud. If the entire point of not talking about your town reads is wrong then you wouldn't have listed them as Town reads like what? Furthermore by not justifying your townreads you're not able to have them poked and prodded to see where they are wrong. Like...????

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Jfc #3154 is scummy as all shit. Can I get a second opinion on that one?

VOTE: Lucky

How's that for a second opinion?

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This post had me laughing out loud. If the entire point of not talking about your town reads is wrong then you wouldn't have listed them as Town reads like what? Furthermore by not justifying your townreads you're not able to have them poked and prodded to see where they are wrong. Like...????

So you disagree with a playstyle preference of mine. What about everything else in my post. Do you disagree with any of my scum leanings?

For someone who claimed to have read you would know that I townread Whiskers instantly.

Like what?

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Aside from that, lynching Joey before Lucky is better because Lucky is more willing to provide actual content on different players which is more helpful in finding scum later in the game.

At this point if Lucky is scum as I believe Lucky is it is wine.
If Lucky is town then clearly I would need to reasses and it would be helpful to have all the thoughts not just picked and chosen ones.

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@whiskers -- I have never played with you. I do not understand what prompted the comparison? A lot of people have. If anything I have made less posts than I usually do because I have had the flu.

[MathBlade]

I love that that people insist that I am "obnoxious and wrong" on everything but I have yet to actually be wrong I have actually been right. Was right not to shoot Dunk and was right that Quick was town and was right that Cabd was town(obvious but still). Disagree with my posting style but you can't disagree with my results.

Please don't do shit like this.
My worst game on the site was Civ Mafia. I scumread a ton of town and could never get traction to lynch them. However I was right on all my town reads (a fact a lot of people overlook) and people kept lynching my town reads. It was a really infuriating game.

A lot of people disagree with my posting style and I am trying to do different things to change and be better. I don't want anyone else to get a similar rep that I have on site.

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You're the one who's L-3 and pushing a mislynch you have a lot more to do than I do lol

No I don't... you're conf town... YOU have a lot more to do than me. That is the point of why you are useless! You've been doing nothing until I got here and was rude to you about it. You've posted at a higher rate since I insulted you about it then you have the rest of the game!

Confirmed Town have multiple ways to play this all of which are valid.

The main point is why are you disagreeing and making noise against confirmed Town.

I am desperately trying to keep up with the thread and all these words is making it really difficult. I am used to a lot of snap posts and seeing this much stuff where most of it is stroking egos versus actually communicating is making it really hard to get reads.

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At work, will answer to you soonish whiskers but just want to make sure MATHblade doesn't ignore more last question at him. Which was actually about you (don't answer for him please)

Quote it for me please I am still catching up.

Would love to answer the more urgent stuff first.

[MathBlade]

This post had me laughing out loud. If the entire point of not talking about your town reads is wrong then you wouldn't have listed them as Town reads like what? Furthermore by not justifying your townreads you're not able to have them poked and prodded to see where they are wrong. Like...????

So you disagree with a playstyle preference of mine. What about everything else in my post. Do you disagree with any of my scum leanings?

For someone who claimed to have read you would know that I townread Whiskers instantly.

Like what?

Ok good job MATHblade, that's 1 down. Do you care to comment on any of the rest?

Also I have whiskers as benched. Which means low priority scum leanings for me. How about trying to tell me why I might be wrong? Why you might be right? Or you know... More than just you town read him

You didn't do much more than tell me that my scum leanings on whiskers was wrong. I want to know why. You can also use my post to Rhah a few moments ago to discuss this with me. I also have your slot in a scum lean, so your thoughts interest me here to also develop my read in you.

I have already explained why I townread Whiskers multiple times. Like I don't understand why you'd want me to waste time and create a lot of empty words on something I feel just can't happen. I townread Whiskers based on how Whiskers handled the Cabd intro. You have a lot of words there but at some point there is so much there it is noise. I have mentioned this several times.

Much of your posts are a lot of words yet after simple inspections with you it becomes clear you are not reading with an indepth examination. All you're doing is adding to the word count and after pointing that out and what Rhah pointed out I am more than okay with your lynch.

You can't on one hand claim to have read things and post all these craptastic things. I just don't believe a Town player would do this.

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Jfc #3154 is scummy as all shit. Can I get a second opinion on that one?

Want to explain this? (it's in reference to Lucky's wall, for reference)

Looks like standard catchup reads to me.

This post had me laughing out loud. If the entire point of not talking about your town reads is wrong then you wouldn't have listed them as Town reads like what? Furthermore by not justifying your townreads you're not able to have them poked and prodded to see where they are wrong. Like...????

What??
Outting your townreads =/= writing out a lot of thoughts on your townreads.

Oh I think I'm enjoying that. 2IAM, is that exactly a good reason to scumread Joey as if those players weren't.. capable of being wrong on him the same as anyone else would be?

They are more likely to be right than scum, who have motivation to scumread town and townread scum.

In that case, why are you voting Joey? wasn't your big attack on Joey that he was townreading town?

This post had me laughing out loud. If the entire point of not talking about your town reads is wrong then you wouldn't have listed them as Town reads like what? Furthermore by not justifying your townreads you're not able to have them poked and prodded to see where they are wrong. Like...????

So you disagree with a playstyle preference of mine. What about everything else in my post. Do you disagree with any of my scum leanings?

For someone who claimed to have read you would know that I townread Whiskers instantly.

Like what?

But apparently it's not a strong enough read that you're going to dispute that read, you're just gonna vote him. What else do you think is wrong/bad reads/scummy? Because now we're up to a difference in playstyle and a difference of 1 read. Your vote is fucking weak.

One town player scumreading someone is a coincidence, two is a pattern.

that's only statistics!

To start, if you want to discredit me don't half-ass it next time? I've done plenty of VI shit you can mention.

You're argument on me saying your useless is I didn't fully cover why your useless but you agree with the outcome? Do you teach math? Cause it sounds like I got the right answer and you're just mad I didn't show my work. Thanks for self admitting you're useless and thus invalidating your opinion on me.

What I'm telling you is, you should have at least bullshitted properly. Do you really want me to dig into your post? Cause your combative tone doesn't actually cover up what you try to pass off as "content" lol

oh damn, would you? digging into someone's posts and like

building a case?

that'd be really useful all of a sudden.

in the meantime, we can all lynch scum Gerry.

I mean, if you're so certain Joey is scum, you could just lynch the slot that would

remain

scum and prevent another player from having to replace into this game (and spend days and days catching up, and then have everybody in the town whinge about how they aren't posting enough, and then when they make a catchup/reads post, have half the active players jump to lynch them anyway).

Just a fuckin thought.

My point is the "damage" by outing townreads would be done st that point. There is no reason that they shouldn't be expanded upon. There is no "damage" by talking about town reads hence the quotes.

[MathBlade]

I'm more interested in why you think my own assessment is wrong. Your talking about adding to word count but you just spent 3 paragraphs not refuting any of my own stated reasons for being suspicious of whiskers. I don't believe town would duck this question so efficiently.

Your cases are nothing but a big wall of words.

If the basis (foundation) of them is bad why would I discuss the rest?

If I made a 2000 word post that relied on 1+1=3, interacting with the rest is all poisonous.

When you read closely and have a good foundation I will respond to the rest. Otherwise it just adds more to read that is not useful and propagates misinformation.

[MathBlade]

Since you have no desire to read my posts carefully I will not add another thing that you simply will not read. You're asking for things to interact with versus genuinely interacting.

[MathBlade]

@Whiskers -- I am thoroughly convinced the case against you is noise and Lucky + Flubber are a team. However I have found that it's generally better to explain my scumreads than defend my town ones.

Defending my town ones ends up with stopping people from making that read themselves. Instead I would rather point out how Lucky isn't reading and flubber is being well flubber.

[MathBlade]

I've heavily considered taking an escape pod out of this game tbh.

Can we just suicide pact out of this thread at this point

How about we just lynch scum and not quit?

[MathBlade]

On my way home be there in an hour or so from work and will catch up then.

[MathBlade]

@HST when that happens I try to reset.

Talk with me more about the concrete facts and let's see where that leads you.

I very much think Lucky is scum and I am trying to figure out why you don't scumread Lucky.

[MathBlade]

@HST when that happens I try to reset.

Talk with me more about the concrete facts and let's see where that leads you.

I very much think Lucky is scum and I am trying to figure out why you don't scumread Lucky.

......

[MathBlade]

gerryoat, Nauci, MathBlade, beeboy, HolySpiritTurtle, Whiskers, and Viomi

Jesus this list is terrible

I mean if you think this is terrible then you have to think that all 4 scum are in
IAI
Axle
Flubber
Viomi

and Shiro.

and I'm just not sold on that.

I think it's much more likely that HST is scum and maybe busses one teammate and there are 2 scum in gerryoat, Nauci, MathBlade, beeboy, Whiskers

I don't see HST scum being outright against a wagon on Lucky2 if Lucky2 and HST were partners so HST is probably town.

[MathBlade]

I agree that scum do but they aren't generally as blatant for it.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Flubbernugget and Lucky are both great lynches.

[MathBlade]

Would also love a Shiro wagon to see him spout wordy words because the more Shiro doesn't post useful things the more this reminds me of mass effect.

[MathBlade]

V/LA today responding to RL pm of giving candy to trick or treaters tonight and job in the morning

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Lucky2u

Will explain after work it's like 3 am here.

[MathBlade]

I'm considering it if you don't start playing better.

I think you're town based on the wagons against you.

I don't think anything is going to get done until I'm lynched. I'm reaaaaal easy lynchbait, to the extent that we're going to see a "why isn't whiskers lynched yet" conversation every Day, and a major Whiskers-voting faction, until it happens. Does it make more sense to clear it out of the way now, or wait until LyLo?

Plus Mathblade is using it as a smokescreen.

????

Smokescreen?

I just got home from work and am catching up and I townread you so what exactly am I smoke screening here? Are you calling me scum for something?

[MathBlade]

I'm considering it if you don't start playing better.

I think you're town based on the wagons against you.

I agree I think Whiskers is town.

It feels like a game of do anything besides what the masons want.

It really annoying and it doesn't feel like we are collaborating just going "my turn" to get "my way" like a ping pong ball and scum are using that to make it land on townies.

[MathBlade]

Hey guys,

I'm currently dealing with a death of someone I care for and so

@Mod: On V/LA

I will do my best to continue playing but there will be some amount of time between my posts.

I hard claim infinite shot hugger when targeted with a please. I hope things go better later and RL first always.

[MathBlade]

UCV was largely lurking day 1 and that, combined with Lucky's refusal to join a major wagon day 2, seems like obv scum to me in the current fractured environment.

Viomi would be the other ideal lynch.

+1

I ship it. I ship it real good.

[MathBlade]

I don't like how everyone is consistently avoiding who the masons want to talk about and want Rhah and Two to take the wheel.

Each time Two has said something Two has been shut down. It just feels wrong.

[MathBlade]

If no one else can agree on Joey or Beeboy I would compromise on alisae.

"If no one else can agree on the most obvious town and the 2nd most obvious town i would compromise on the third most obvious town."

I don't think there are any obvious town in day 1 aside from dunk. That is something scum would say.

Lol Cabd is obvTown. Like obvTowns are just a thing and I already have several barring earth shattering events.

His behavior is not obvtown. If he is "obvtown" it is only because of his roleclaim. And there are scum/3p versions of his role.

I literally had to double check what people posted as claims because this pinged me so freaking hard.

Cabd, a person who has made more setups than I have probably played, would as scum take the negative utility and claim day vig and shoot someone D1? Barring a divine inspiration post I highly doubt that Cabd is scum. Like just I can't even fathom that.

I am sleepy as fuck but I will catch up more as I can. Will be at DnD and a friend at the airport so more phone posting for me.

Really?

Are we in the same game?

Like I have been explaining my townreads all game. I am learning from my bad games where I pushed scumreads all day long. A lot of feedback I have received from my prior games is I townread people well but scumreads need work.

[MathBlade]

I guess what I'm saying is that I want to lynch Mathblade.

Vote: Mathblade

idk. I think that after my lynch everything will be much smoother, that's all.

Ugh this recent stream from Whiskers is downright terrible. Whiskers is just going with what is popular to stick around and I happen to be a popular target that is new.

Scum are floating around wagons other than what the masons want and it looks like I am the new target. Scum Lucky starts it. Pocketed Whiskers continues it.

[MathBlade]

Ok so lets start with the easy things. I completely dislike the conf town slots for being next to useless so far. TIAM wasted alot of time and drew alot of attention with the anti Cabd town paranoia. If Rhah's claim wasn't so town spontaneous, I'd call it some kind of gambit. If on the off chance Rhah, you are actually just neighbors with TIAM, please claim now and don't be afraid when we lynch him. Both of you are just sitting on your cred of the claim.

Rhah is barely here and adds little to the conversation. This post told me enough that I don't need to pay attention to anything Rhah has to say any more and neither do the rest of town.
Hey Gerry, did you even push UCV?

TIAM is here but not reading completely and just coming to bad conclusions. Hell he didn't even notice UCV subbed out and voted him at day start. He's here, he just isn't trying hard. I won't be listening to anything this conf town has to say either.

Cabd, I joined this game for you (yes I know I'm talking to a dead man but he usually follows his dead games), where the hell were you? You took advantage of your role in the best way mechanic wise but did squat all with the scum hunting opp you had.

Ok done with them. Let's talk about the other corpses.

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Quick was an asshole, that doesn't mean his reads were wrong. For the record, his last reads list had Nauci, Joey and Whiskers at the scum side.

Dunkers was actually kind of useless, I don't put much weight on his reads but here they were (joey/beeboy/holyspirit/turtle/someone else). This doesn't help much but Joey was on both dying players list and... well you probably jumped to the end of this post and saw I'm voting joey so there is that. If a third dead townie dies and also has joey on their list can you please fucking lynch him please?

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Let's go over everything Shiro has added to the game

...

Ok done.

IAI also lurked for the first 2k posts of this game. His content has been pretty good since then, so I'm ok not lynching this. I do seriously think that there does not exist a game where scum doesn't have one lurker on their team. So knowing that my lurker slot is town, and given that I like IAI, it's probably Shiro. One scum down.

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I am skipping over beeboy, Nero, HST, and Axle because they are furthest from the scum side of the spectrum for me and I don't like talking about my town reads in case they are wrong. If you push me on it, I'll talk about it but I don't think it's a good idea for town to tell unconf players that might be scum what they are doing right to get a town read from them.

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Ok on to some meatier stuff. The Alisae slot. It was middle of the road for me until some alarm bells went off for me. Particular the bit where Cabd threw out his intent to shoot dunker and she was quick to post that she doesn't think it will flip scum. Everything about how Alisae did that and the way she was going about her content seemed like she had insider info. Her interactions with Cabd seemed like fake attempts to be friendly with a day vig, especially when she danced around saying the words day vig. Mathblade replacing in has been significantly better, but I'm not over this slot possibly being scum. I'm benching this slot for now.

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whiskers. early day 1 showed alot of frustration and caps sentences in his wall posts that came across like alot of scum faking town frustration. This slot got a bit better. I don't know if that missing the scum day chat in the rules was fake or not, but I will also bench this slot.

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Flubber spends the little time he is here debating the normalness of a day vig during phase of 1 of the game, goes into some useless mod setup spec theorizing. I suppose this is NAI, but I personally think scum do this more than town. It does nothing but spread doubt in the minds of town and makes them look like they were contributing. Missing/forgetting the mason claim was kind of bad, something I think scum is also more prone to do then town. I mean, scum already knows who town is so a mason claim isn't important to them. I like this slot as another scum possibility.

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Nauci early reads: Def scum. Middle of read: def noobtown. near end of the read: no wait she is scum after all. Then she forgets dunker is dead. I honestly don't know how to process that. Noobtown mistake? Super fake scum acting?

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Gerry you are like vanilla ice cream at Ben and Jerry's. I wasn't even paying attention to you. Don't get me wrong, I get it, you want my slot dead. I guess I need to interact with you some here. You've shown that you are constantly willing for my lynch, but can you sum up why for me again? Let's start a dialogue.

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Finally Joey Underscore. Joey's reaction to the day vig flip was fake. Joey moving votes in quick succession on page 66 was pretty scummy. His sheep to beeboy was scummier. His next post after that declaring he is sure the conf town are conf town is scum trying to look town. The entire Quick vs Joey back and forth can now be looked at from a perspective of knowing that quick was town, so did anyone go back and read that? Cause Joey is scum. He white knights TIAM, and I think at one point says that he knew TIAM was town before the mason claim. The assessment that joey is buddying everyone he can is accurate and it is scum, please lynch it.

VOTE: Joey-

This post had me laughing out loud. If the entire point of not talking about your town reads is wrong then you wouldn't have listed them as Town reads like what? Furthermore by not justifying your townreads you're not able to have them poked and prodded to see where they are wrong. Like...????

Like Lucky gets caught bullshitting.

I point it out Lucky votes me.

It's simple OMGUS from Lucky. Plain and simple.

[MathBlade]

Checking in.

VOTE: mathblade

How about this wagon?

[MathBlade]

You mean here.

Selective memory much.

OMGUS furthermore doesn't require a vote.

[MathBlade]

Checking in.

VOTE: mathblade

How about this wagon?

Your claiming my vote the next day is OMGUS from something you accused me of yesterday? lol now THATS funny. You quoted a post from a week ago. There have been almost 700 posts since then. At one point is it not OMGUS and just a vote?

When you address the points I made against you. You're just being opportunistic from Whiskers vote and so is Nero.

[MathBlade]

Well something to keep in mind, HST who wasn't overly town read was killed over 2 Masons.
Like unless scum are so far ahead they read the "I won't die which sucks" message and killed him straight up for the fun of it thinking they can't lose anyway.

There is alot of reasons for that. It's all wifom depending on who the scum are and can be painted to suit anyone's agenda. For example I could make the argument that they didn't kill the masons because the masons are doing the scum a favor and lynching town so why get rid of them? Or maybe they would rather hunt power roles rather than two masons who are no threat to them at night while they have such a commanding lead.

You can. Any skilled player can make any argument. Hell I could make the point HST had the scumteam nailed. HST was a nullkill.HST was believed a infinite shot informed townie who knew all the scums.

What matters is the reality. The proper kill was to shoot a mason. The longer the masons remain alive the harder it becomes for a mislynch. The question is indeed why. But until we get a red flip that why is supposition.

[MathBlade]

Ok, if your going to bring that question up. Why does a scum team with me on it not kill Rhah or TIAM? They aren't exactly my allies.

Beeboy did. I responded.

+1 TIAM

[MathBlade]

They towntold really hard.

you know that guy that scumtold and flipped town?

It's almost like towntells and scumtells aren't going to be very reliable. Also towntelling as scum is a part of a Maths scum game.

So in other words I am scum because I am good scum before.

*rolls eyes*

You literally scumread me every game we are in. Hell your username might as well be eternally voting MathBlade. I even mentioned this before. I guess that is why you're dropping your vote on me. I'm safe for you because you do it every freaking game. It's really old.

[MathBlade]

Hell I could make the point HST had the scumteam nailed.

HST was a nullkill

.HST was believed a infinite shot informed townie who knew all the scums.

I think this Math telling us why they shot HST. I feel like sandwiching a believable scenario between two very unlikely ones has the purpose of discrediting their own points so it looks like nothing said is true when in fact the truth

IS

stuck in there. I don't really feel like pulling quotes or anything b/c it would take too much effort but I was in a game that we lost and in the end game Math came in and was like "I taught player X the null kill." So we know Math uses null kill theory and even though this is Math using this as a theoretical argument I think Math is truth-telling here.

I mean Math is scum for other reasons too but yeah this is still scum.

lol I was just listing as many reasons as I could think of.

*clutches stomach from too much laughter*

[MathBlade]

TBF, I was town reading your slot in Civ until your sister started with the whole "ZOMG you aren't voting AB, you must be scum with him!"

but its nice to know that you are discrediting my vote on you despite me stating why I'm voting you.

TBF you were townreading me this game until you needed a convenient vote with the whole "OMG Math must be scum because they've been scum before!"

But it's nice to know your vote has no reason.

[MathBlade]

Also my first post today was literally calling Math scum so this "Nero's vote is opportunistic." is so incredibly untrue.

When other people vote me you don't have to try. First post or not it is still opportunistic.

[MathBlade]

Why aren't you voting Whiskers?

Because I townread Whiskers reasons already stated.

Why aren't you voting Lucky?

[MathBlade]

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@Nero really?

*blinks*

[MathBlade]

I am freaking working on my own damn wagon tool that is how much I think about wagons and counter wagons and why.

Like you're just spouting bullshit.

[MathBlade]

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@Nero really?

*blinks*

and what point are you trying to make here?

You said I don't think in terms of wagons/counterwagons. I do.

TIAM agreed.

So let's talk more about Lucky.

[MathBlade]

Lurked day 1
Wouldn't join a major wagon day 2.
Not doing anything productive day 3.

Not reading.

And when I destroyed his wall post by taking down the foundation Lucky yelled at me for not spamming with him.

[MathBlade]

So... let's talk about the Shiro situation

I'd be down for a Shiro lynch.

[MathBlade]

This post had me laughing out loud. If the entire point of not talking about your town reads is wrong then you wouldn't have listed them as Town reads like what? Furthermore by not justifying your townreads you're not able to have them poked and prodded to see where they are wrong. Like...????

like I wouldn't even consider this a decent point. He also said if anyone asks then he'd talk about them not that he wouldn't.

I mean, if you disagreed with his townread somewhere...why not just ask?

No he literally said he wasn't gonna talk about them. He probably just doesn't want to fake Town reads.

[MathBlade]

If you push me on it, I'll talk about it

once again, Math ignores things to keep up a false narrative.

I did push. He didn't talk.

[MathBlade]

Ok so lets start with the easy things. I completely dislike the conf town slots for being next to useless so far. TIAM wasted alot of time and drew alot of attention with the anti Cabd town paranoia. If Rhah's claim wasn't so town spontaneous, I'd call it some kind of gambit. If on the off chance Rhah, you are actually just neighbors with TIAM, please claim now and don't be afraid when we lynch him. Both of you are just sitting on your cred of the claim.

Rhah is barely here and adds little to the conversation. This post told me enough that I don't need to pay attention to anything Rhah has to say any more and neither do the rest of town.
Hey Gerry, did you even push UCV?

TIAM is here but not reading completely and just coming to bad conclusions. Hell he didn't even notice UCV subbed out and voted him at day start. He's here, he just isn't trying hard. I won't be listening to anything this conf town has to say either.

Cabd, I joined this game for you (yes I know I'm talking to a dead man but he usually follows his dead games), where the hell were you? You took advantage of your role in the best way mechanic wise but did squat all with the scum hunting opp you had.

Ok done with them. Let's talk about the other corpses.

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Quick was an asshole, that doesn't mean his reads were wrong. For the record, his last reads list had Nauci, Joey and Whiskers at the scum side.

Dunkers was actually kind of useless, I don't put much weight on his reads but here they were (joey/beeboy/holyspirit/turtle/someone else). This doesn't help much but Joey was on both dying players list and... well you probably jumped to the end of this post and saw I'm voting joey so there is that. If a third dead townie dies and also has joey on their list can you please fucking lynch him please?

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Let's go over everything Shiro has added to the game

...

Ok done.

IAI also lurked for the first 2k posts of this game. His content has been pretty good since then, so I'm ok not lynching this. I do seriously think that there does not exist a game where scum doesn't have one lurker on their team. So knowing that my lurker slot is town, and given that I like IAI, it's probably Shiro. One scum down.

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I am skipping over beeboy, Nero, HST, and Axle because they are furthest from the scum side of the spectrum for me and I don't like talking about my town reads in case they are wrong. If you push me on it, I'll talk about it but I don't think it's a good idea for town to tell unconf players that might be scum what they are doing right to get a town read from them.

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Ok on to some meatier stuff. The Alisae slot. It was middle of the road for me until some alarm bells went off for me. Particular the bit where Cabd threw out his intent to shoot dunker and she was quick to post that she doesn't think it will flip scum. Everything about how Alisae did that and the way she was going about her content seemed like she had insider info. Her interactions with Cabd seemed like fake attempts to be friendly with a day vig, especially when she danced around saying the words day vig. Mathblade replacing in has been significantly better, but I'm not over this slot possibly being scum. I'm benching this slot for now.

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whiskers. early day 1 showed alot of frustration and caps sentences in his wall posts that came across like alot of scum faking town frustration. This slot got a bit better. I don't know if that missing the scum day chat in the rules was fake or not, but I will also bench this slot.

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Flubber spends the little time he is here debating the normalness of a day vig during phase of 1 of the game, goes into some useless mod setup spec theorizing. I suppose this is NAI, but I personally think scum do this more than town. It does nothing but spread doubt in the minds of town and makes them look like they were contributing. Missing/forgetting the mason claim was kind of bad, something I think scum is also more prone to do then town. I mean, scum already knows who town is so a mason claim isn't important to them. I like this slot as another scum possibility.

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Nauci early reads: Def scum. Middle of read: def noobtown. near end of the read: no wait she is scum after all. Then she forgets dunker is dead. I honestly don't know how to process that. Noobtown mistake? Super fake scum acting?

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Gerry you are like vanilla ice cream at Ben and Jerry's. I wasn't even paying attention to you. Don't get me wrong, I get it, you want my slot dead. I guess I need to interact with you some here. You've shown that you are constantly willing for my lynch, but can you sum up why for me again? Let's start a dialogue.

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Finally Joey Underscore. Joey's reaction to the day vig flip was fake. Joey moving votes in quick succession on page 66 was pretty scummy. His sheep to beeboy was scummier. His next post after that declaring he is sure the conf town are conf town is scum trying to look town. The entire Quick vs Joey back and forth can now be looked at from a perspective of knowing that quick was town, so did anyone go back and read that? Cause Joey is scum. He white knights TIAM, and I think at one point says that he knew TIAM was town before the mason claim. The assessment that joey is buddying everyone he can is accurate and it is scum, please lynch it.

VOTE: Joey-

This post had me laughing out loud. If the entire point of not talking about your town reads is wrong then you wouldn't have listed them as Town reads like what? Furthermore by not justifying your townreads you're not able to have them poked and prodded to see where they are wrong. Like...????

You only quoted it like 10 times today.

[MathBlade]

Math do you speak another language that only you know?

This post had me laughing out loud. If the entire point of not talking about your town reads is wrong then you wouldn't have listed them as Town reads like what? Furthermore by not justifying your townreads you're not able to have them poked and prodded to see where they are wrong. Like...????

Where in this paragraph are you asking me about a town read I have? I don't see any names, the only question marks I see are sarcastic. Did I not get the Mathblade decoder ring for this post?

I've been told I speak moon logic.

You didn't interact with the point the ??? While yes sarcastic is also a "talk more". Which you didn't. I don't do things like everyone else. That isn't my style.

[MathBlade]

gerryoat, MathBlade, and TwoInAMillion need to view Gerry's actions through the lens that he is town. I'm sure they'll connect the dots.

I'm more concerned that you said yourself need to look at your own actions like you're town. Like you replaced gerryoat.

So then why would you need a different lens?

VOTE: gerryoat

(I still think lucky is scum btw as well just this needs pursuing)

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Smocaine

For emphasis

[MathBlade]

Will catch-up after work.

[MathBlade]

Prod Dodge won't be on til late impromptu RL dinner /Le sigh

[MathBlade]

VOTE: mathblade

hello old "friend"

i have a problem with your vote rn

Hello old "friend"

I have a problem with you lacking the reading comprehension.

What is your problem with my vote? I don't see how more people aren't voting Smocaine after the last post where Smocaine said to imagine a world where he is Town meaning he isn't.

[MathBlade]

also who were the mason claims

Read.

i want to engage with math, because i can almost always decide their alignment upon engaging them.

Great, more meta bullshit.
incoming meta arguement followed by optional confirmation bias "case" with circular reasoning.

What's your record with math in games you've played with him Transcend?

well i personally think i'm good at ID'ing their alignment but they're terrible at ID'ing mine.

if i've been town in a game with them, most of the time i've been mislynched by them.

Sounds like standard human hubris.

mini normal 1900 is the biggest one. i was tr'd by pretty much the entire player list except math and they mislynched me in 3 way lylo

another one was an rc game where they hydra'd with jaereed. i got lynched d1. i was tunneled on their slot a bit but decided they were misguided town after quite some time.

Nice links.

Hey at least you included a good and a bad game of mine. Transcend is probably town because as scum he slants things. But ewww Shiro lurking before was a Shiro scum tell.

You're null. Come at me bro.

[MathBlade]

Ohh look the player who scumslipped voted the player who pointed it out. Not OMGUS at all.

Transcend, so? I don't like how you're ignoring Smocaine's slip.

Furthermore I don't like how this Nauci wagon started afterward.

Makes me think Nauci + Smocaine could be a thing with Smocaine scum PR.

[MathBlade]

i don't like your analysis

are you sure smocaine slipped?

it doesn't look like a slip to me.

pedit: yea that

As sure as I can be without the mod telling me that Smocaine is. It's pretty straightforward. He said for himself to imagine where he is Town. Natural conclusion he isn't.

[MathBlade]

but then again this is a push town!math would make

tell me what do you think about the buildup of nauci's lynch

I already answered this. Looks like Nauci is trying to save Smocaine. No problems voting either.

[MathBlade]

i really dislike 4070 tho

pedit: nauci is saving smocaine how? he's not even voting anyone.

That sounds like a you problem.

Throwing themselves up for lynching.

Scum bus a weak role to save a PR.

[MathBlade]

Nauci: Lot of words for I don't wanna commit to anything when I am correctly lynched.

Just summarized the read walls.

[MathBlade]

i really dislike 4070 tho

pedit: nauci is saving smocaine how? he's not even voting anyone.

That sounds like a you problem.

Throwing themselves up for lynching.

Scum bus a weak role to save a PR.

is this really your rationale

nauci got "thrown up" for lynching. she didn't put herself there.

and besides even if this is try, why is she sacking herself for smocaine and not for, say whiskers?

It'd require Whiskers to be scum for one thing which I don't believe.

And it would also require Smocaine to have not slipped.

[MathBlade]

Being transgender isn't sexist, you dumb fucking cunt

ftr that's a conversation i'd love to have
because being convinced of this would solve a lot of issues for me.

What the fuck caused all this? Reading now.

[MathBlade]

Traditional gender based stereotypes and that school of thought ie the dress example happen to be sexist.. just inherently as a concept, is the point. There's not really much to go into. Doesn't matter, I know you're not actually sexist. It's just getting taken out of proportion. Viomi, are you sure you're not policying him at this point? I don't exactly blame you for thinking the way you do? But I don't think he's trying to be bad here. Transcend, you need to understand how what you say can be construed even if it's not what you mean..

Look I am trans too and I thought nothing of it because psychology does support boys and girls acting differently regardless of what biological parts a girl does or doesn't have or a guy does or doesn't have. Hell most people read and respond to me as a dude because that is what I am even though I am working on getting my body congruent.

Like Transcend has said some sexist shit. But this isn't it.

Can we all just get along and play mafia?

[MathBlade]

@rhah
are we doing this

vote: viomi

Yep and you maybe die next pal. Freedom awaits you. Either that or some divine revelation will lead us onto scum. Not saying that you aren't, but the lines get blurred. And for some reason your wagon did not happen today.


If this greens pool tomorrow:

Flairs
Smocaine
Nauci
Whiskers
Transcend

Whiskers is a more informative flip cause it'd shed light on most slots including IaI and Lucky. Mathblade, we're doing a thing. Your assistance may be required.

What thing are we doing?

[MathBlade]

Viomi has requested replacement. Searching...

Apparently not.

Is this the thing we're doing?

[MathBlade]

Can we all just get along and play mafia?

read 4141 and give me your words

@Mathblade
Here is 4141 for you.

So it's a lot of reasons why you continue to tunnel me. Most of which you've already said and I have already refuted. Then you're just saying intentional derp instead of what it is. Logical thought.

Consider this to be my response (poop emoji here because phone posting)

[MathBlade]

Viomi I really wish I could hug you right now.

Like I really wanna know if you are okay.

[MathBlade]

@Math

more misrep. Never said anything about Math not thinking like that. I said that Math applying that to Flubber but not Whiskers is selective and scummy.

I don't remember you ever refuting this, for instance? All I remember is that you didn't see the reason for the votes on me, and didn't see a case, and so no case = no scum.
Or something along those lines.

Why this counterwagon stuff though?

But she's getting site banned so lol

hot diggity damn, you're worse than quick, arne't you?

Yes I already did.

There is no contradiction only the one Nero made up.

Furthermore even if there was a contradiction (of which I disagree) Flubber flipped Town. This would also make you Town. So I don't want to respond to Nero's bullshit as he tunnels me every fucking game we are in. This is not becoming another Civ Mafia.

[MathBlade]

So TIAM goes "There are no reasons to scumread Whiskers"

I ask if this was correct.

You then but in and misrep me.

That's not logical.

As scum all you have to do is not budge from whatever false narrative/opinion. Saying "I refuted that!"=//=refuting that.

And saying I haven't doesn't mean I haven't either.

We're not doing this.

[MathBlade]

There is no contradiction only the one Nero made up.

um yeah there is. Like your ENTIRE case on Flubb was that Quick was his cw and he flipped town. If that was something you believed in you should believe that the same is true for Whiskers.

Except Whiskers wasn't a counterwagon it was a wagon that formed at the same time. Furthermore I did not have a townread on Flub and did Quick and still do on Whiskers. A counterwagon is what I see based on reads. Not a wagon happened must be scum. <<See Mastina's VCA guide which is like the holy grail>>

[MathBlade]

Yo Viomi I know it's a long fucking shot but
Send me a PM sometime because, like I said,
It's a conversation I'd like to have.
I'm truly open to having my mind changed about this,
but it's not the conclusion I came to on my own, or in discussion thus far.
So I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Go fuck yourself, transphobic asswipe.

Leave me alone.

???

What exactly is this in response to?? I think Whiskers is commenting on not reading Transcend's post the same way? Or is Whiskers saying trans people don't exist. /me is Lost

[MathBlade]

Except Whiskers wasn't a counterwagon it was a wagon that formed at the same time.

it really wasn't....

It really was. We're not doing this. You're just gonna spam me scum a shit ton of times and then people will either policy or correctly lynch you. (I waffle between this.) We're not.

We should be lynching Smocaine.

[MathBlade]

Yo Viomi I know it's a long fucking shot but
Send me a PM sometime because, like I said,
It's a conversation I'd like to have.
I'm truly open to having my mind changed about this,
but it's not the conclusion I came to on my own, or in discussion thus far.
So I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Go fuck yourself, transphobic asswipe.

Leave me alone.

???

What exactly is this in response to?? I think Whiskers is commenting on not reading Transcend's post the same way? Or is Whiskers saying trans people don't exist. /me is Lost

Whiskers is of the opinion that being transgender is sexist

It's a very alt-right nazi propaganda opinion.

Let's assume this is what Whiskers thinks.

Believing trans people don't exist is evil and despicable. However through love is how hearts get changed. Throughout this entire game people have been calling me they or he. No one here in their heart of hearts believes I am female because I have boobs. Calling someone a nazi doesn't actually make them change. It makes them go "I am not a nazi, Hitler is evil, and my opinion is justified".

So how about we show love rather than the hate given and claim targets since you have claimed Jailkeeper?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Viomi[/i]

It has for some people who are ignorant. I am gonna keep my belief people are inherently good and vote for you because you are not actively serving town's best interests. You can say who you targeted so I can evaluate your claim. If you refuse until your replacement my vote will pretty much be stuck.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Viomi

[MathBlade]

...d and vote for you because you are not actively serving town's best interests. You can say who you targeted so I can evaluate your claim. If you refuse until your replacement my vote will pretty much be stuck.

???

you realize that's a threat thatdoesn't have any weight, assuming Viomi no longer gives afuck about this game.

Also you realize it doesn't make much sense anyway, considering an upset Viomi isn't going to be indicative of alignment and that the replacement is going to have exactly the same information that she will.

It's not a threat.

It is me saying I can't evaluate the claim unless I see the logic behind it and I don't see the Town reason to not include it.

I have to go to work and I am a Fucking mess.

Will check this later tonight.

[MathBlade]

Oh my god you just shot my mason partner. I told him not to push on you not that long ago and he didn't say anything. I guess it's sort of my fault.

[MathBlade]

Can someone clue me in on these masons? When were they claimed and why are they legit?

They're legit because they're legit.

[MathBlade]

The lovely Mathblade wagon is my brainchild. Scum have a lot of influence in this gamestate. We need like all of the town to lynch mafia. Thinking I'm a bussing scumbuddy doesn't help us reach a town bloc. I doubt scum has much of a reason to at this point anyway.

Taking credit for a pile of manure isn't something to be proud of.

[MathBlade]

Error: Nero Cain is in desperate need of reboot.

He is stuck in an endless loop of asking the same question over and over.

*Looks at Nero Cain for a reboot button*

[MathBlade]

*Pushes a Button on Nero's Shirt and if your shirt doesn't have one I take a button out of my pocket and attach to it two sided sticky tape and attach it to whatever shirt you are wearing and then push it*

Did it work? Are you rebooting?

[MathBlade]

Tired as fuck will check this tomorrow. Sorry for the prod dodge long as fuck night.

[MathBlade]

Let's assume this is what Whiskers thinks.

Believing trans people don't exist is evil and despicable. However through love is how hearts get changed. Throughout this entire game people have been calling me they or he. No one here in their heart of hearts believes I am female because I have boobs. Calling someone a nazi doesn't actually make them change. It makes them go "I am not a nazi, Hitler is evil, and my opinion is justified".

FWIW Math, I am entirely in the same boat on the issue. I am *always* willing to engage someone who disagrees, so long as they're willing to engage in good faith.

FWIW I really don't want to talk about this anymore.

It's hard enough just reading the fucking thread ATM.

As it is I overslept and have to run to work I really don't want to see stuff like this. I know you mean well but I kinda just wanna play the game.

[MathBlade]

Work til late project dump sorry everyone.

[MathBlade]

Hiiiiiiiiiiii I am tipsy as fucccccccccccck

Catching up now....Or is it drinking up?

[MathBlade]

why would you openly invite someone to lynch you when we haven't accomplished jack shit and your role pm is green

Because whiskers is like obvious lynchbait. ROTFLMBO how can you like not see this...like it's like obvious.

[MathBlade]

Looks like Whiskers is the only one on all three wagons ftr.

Being on a wagon is like saying because everytime you had ice cream and it got on your shirt that you throw away the shirt...At the end of the day the problem is still the person behind the ice cream cone and then all you've done is lose your shirt...

What matters is like reasons and stuff. Who has good ones and who has evil scummy scumfuck reasons?

[MathBlade]

k and why do you feel the need to come to his defense when i clearly aimed that quuestion towards him

Because people have been trying to imho mislynch Whiskers all game lol

[MathBlade]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/ ... me-war.gif

What the fuck did I replace into...

Anyway, I see my predecessor already claimed. I Jailkept Mathblade last night because I figured he was scum.

VOTE: Mathblade
Now I have to go to sleep. I'll answer questions in the morning.

*sniff* I'm hurt...why would you me? I guess you wanted the company? Like seriously are you truly a jailkeeper? In all of my scum games I'm liike never scumread like ever...and like I am scumread by like a ton of people who just don't understand me so like....That's a fucking waste.

[MathBlade]

lulz this town so dumdum

VOTE: Smocaine

Scum claimers get votes

[MathBlade]

Transcend your vote is in the wrong spot. Smocaine is obvious scum here. Like I will case smocaine out when I am sober but he should like get all the votes.

[MathBlade]

Transcend your vote is in the wrong spot. Smocaine is obvious scum here. Like I will case smocaine out when I am sober but he should like get all the votes.

drunk case me. I'll drunk read the game and case you if you don't in the next hour.

lol okay....Don't care either way though because like you're obv scum.

[MathBlade]

There is a reason my push got 2x stronger and 4times less gameplay based

You mean because you're scum and can't make an argument.
You mean how Viomi makes a bad jailkeep request and you don't instantly CC them despite you softing a PR role that's obviously bullshit...

Like dude I'm tipsy but there's no way in fuck that a JK plus at least two masons and an investigative exist in this setup like...

Besides the fact I'm town I ain't that drunk.

[MathBlade]

Hard cider.

I'm going to bed. Enjoy your obv scum here peoples....Smocaine just got greeeeeeeeeeeeeedy as FUCK yo...

Good night townies...scums need rope.

[MathBlade]

Lesson to everyone

Don't drink and play mafia.

You wake up sometimes with a lol hammer hangover.

[MathBlade]

Going to Shadowrun no time to type reads list.

Reads haven't really changed.

Go town go!

[MathBlade]

BAH

[MathBlade]

GG all.

I done died good.

Will comment more later.

[MathBlade]

Technically I also scumslipped too and didn't actually read the thread first to see Alisae claim miller. I was literally just making up shit to bury the fact my slot unclaimed miller which is autopolicy lol.

[MathBlade]

I really gotta give kudos to my buddies Axle, Transcend, and Whiskers. They had the foresight to bus me when I fell apart because of "reasons" (and that's all I'm saying on that) D3. I'm still debating if I should release the PT but I wasn't in a good frame of mind. So kudos to them and they did things really well. The biggest thing I would say is Whiskers needs to get the scum PT more in lylo.

[MathBlade]

Ask for some editing to be done Mathblade. I wanna read the pt.

It's not that simple.

I would have to redact multiple players posts and so I would rather let people read it whom I have a good "bead" for.

[MathBlade]

I'm still not sure if I'll be able to release it, and even if I can it may take a bit. There's quite a bit of sensitive stuff interwoven into there, so it's not as easy as just picking out and deleting posts.

If anyone is annoyed with that sorry. It's completely me who is holding it up and some things are holding me up from doing so namely sensitive topics came up during the game that I am not sure some people aren't assholes:

[MathBlade]

Better to just quote form that thread into a new PT of all posts that ARE game relevant, then release that?

I have thought about this and I could go through the PT Sunday and do this but I am not risking being dysphoric at work.

[MathBlade]

I haven't done much modding yet (just some newbie games) but when I do I'm going to make releasing of pts mandatory. No editing or anything. If you don't want it seen don't say it.

I think nothing should be edited out for strategic game.
However this game crossed a rather personal barrier for me and caused a lot of mental health issues to the point I almost replaced out a lot and it makes Mafia really hard to care about in general. It is more the personal.

There's certain struggles that I have that I may not want public. For you to say then show it all is callous and rude.

[MathBlade]

I haven't done much modding yet (just some newbie games) but when I do I'm going to make releasing of pts mandatory. No editing or anything. If you don't want it seen don't say it.

I think nothing should be edited out for strategic gain.
However this game crossed a rather personal barrier for me and caused a lot of mental health issues to the point I almost replaced out a lot and it makes Mafia really hard to care about in general. It is more the personal.

There's certain struggles that I have that I may not want public. For you to say then show it all is callous and rude.

Ebwop