Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

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I voted Cerberus for what should be self evident reasons.

Gut reaction to FA being chosen is that we have a WIFOM loop: either FA is scum or scum picked FA because FA was a safe pick to pile votes onto.

Sakura Hana gets first serious FOS from me.

And your gut would be wrong.

I voted Frozen.
VOTE: 123456789

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pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

i doubt they piled onto FA

i doubt they aren't going to truthfully claim who they voted

any smart scum would be playing the long game; whoever gets voted D1 doesn't matter (except insofar as you want to get into the league of extraordinary gentlemuffins). sac the D1 leader position (if scum gets voted, it's good for them, but if not, it doesn't matter), manipulate reads in such a way that you can vote scum on later nights is the long term plan for any smart scum team. there was obviously going to be a mass claim of votes; better to just be truthful about it D1 and manipulate shit later...

Congrats you get my first vote. I usually hang on to this a while longer.

VOTE: zMuffinMan


While we don't know wether or not scum got to talk pregame during voting, your post here reads like you know they didn't.

???

Zmuffin seems Town to me...

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you should explain your reasons in clear manner so everyone knows what your mindset really is instead of playing mysteriously like your read is so relevant it should be left for later because of reasons. IDK what fence-sittery means and rather have it spelled it out for me and the thread.

I understand what fence-sitting means, basically lack of commitment to reads.

But you can't say:
This is an RVS vote oh and by the way you're also fence-sitting which is scummy.

RVS is random, it does not pair well with a legitimate read.

RVS isn’t really random past the first vote...

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So Toronaga town, Human scum, got it....
VOTE: Human

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No.

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Dunno, but scum having day chat and not pregame chat seems rather silly to me.

This.

The big assumption is that: Scums wanted to pile on their votes to have a scum leadership today.

Which might be wrong because that would put the chosen person in the spotlight

Bad assumption.

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i voted muffinman cuz he was doing a good job of leading town last game till somebody killed him

While we don't know wether or not scum got to talk pregame during voting, your post here reads like you know they didn't.

err, how?

VOTE: toranaga

pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

If they have pre-game chat, they would have coordinated. Do you disagree? This comment seems to disagree with that sentiment.

They don’t have to coordinate.....

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Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.

That was me Mr. "Sakura's not contributing anything".
And no im not gonna elaborate as of right now, I dont plan on putting much effort atm.

That was your only contribution of value to date! And yeah, elaboration is actually bad at this moment, but in general it's information that should be shared in the event of FA!scum.

Why only FA!scum?

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Good thing this isnt MU then.

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because when i give reads, i get people asking why and i don't feel like answering why this early - you either follow my thought process or you don't and i don't particularly care if you don't atm

(Because you’re scum?)

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I voted Cerberus for what should be self evident reasons.

Gut reaction to FA being chosen is that we have a WIFOM loop: either FA is scum or scum picked FA because FA was a safe pick to pile votes onto.

Sakura Hana gets first serious FOS from me.

And your gut would be wrong.

I voted Frozen.
VOTE: Human

Yo, why did you self vote?

I didn’t.

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Why would scum be so relaxed about engaging regarding movies is my thought process.

And also I agree, I recently was telling a friend he's elitist for claiming to have the Great Gatsby as his favorite book.

Remind me how this is relevant.

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should we claim who we voted for?
also thoughts on the fact D1 elected person probably has reasonably high scum equity?

like I talked myself out of it because surely that'd be too obvious but unless she got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 it's a question



ftr I voted Nancy Drew 39

I'm not sure if the leader has reasonably high scum equity because that suggests all scum voted as a pack for a scum team mate, which may not be true for associative reasons once everyone declares who they voted for.

My crackpot theory is that they possibly split votes

I would not pack vote a leader if I was a wolf.

it's hard to tell at what level the wolves are at so I'd rather not be too concerned with this. FA is likely town by her posts, yes?

Agreed with all.

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I play more relaxed as town than scum, so why wouldn't others?

But, if you guys disagree I can't say that I think it's my best reasoning ever for a read. It's a tone read, and no one follows me on those anyway.

And the Great Gatsby is boring, unlike Watership Down, the best book ever.

Go read The Right Stuff. It’s even more boring!

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I voted Cerberus for what should be self evident reasons.

Gut reaction to FA being chosen is that we have a WIFOM loop: either FA is scum or scum picked FA because FA was a safe pick to pile votes onto.

Sakura Hana gets first serious FOS from me.

And your gut would be wrong.

I voted Frozen.
VOTE: Human

Yo, why did you self vote?

I didn’t.

I voted Cerberus for what should be self evident reasons.

Gut reaction to FA being chosen is that we have a WIFOM loop: either FA is scum or scum picked FA because FA was a safe pick to pile votes onto.

Sakura Hana gets first serious FOS from me.

And your gut would be wrong.

I voted Frozen.
VOTE: Human

Are you trolling here?

Maybe.

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so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

I don't understand this post. are you suggesting FA randomizes who's gonna get a PR and not announce it? how can we trust the PRs will be randomized? and if we trust FA enough to trust she'll actually randomize the PRs, why can't we just trust FA to pick whoever she wants without outing next day? I don't understand your logic here nor do I like any of your posting so far.

Like the rest of you, I really don't get what Titus is stating here...

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Are you trying to say that giving random people abilities is more optimal than giving one to my town reads?

That's what it sounds like. I don't agree with it, but whatever....

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so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

what do you mean secret the prs? you mean my team? I'm not gonna announce who I'm gonna choose today. tomorrow I will out all players though

I don't get the last sentence and how is this related to my post though

Well if you pick and keep secret, the odds of picking one scum by chance are pretty high. If you're town, you could get blamed for it given scum think you are buddiable. If you're scum secret plus pick allows you to place buddies as PRs.

If we do secret, it should be random to completely reduce the value of scum buddying you for power.

why are you posting under the assumption FA is town? you are giving her the chance to, if scum, give her scum team mates power without committing to it the next day, because you fear she might give scum power by being buddied. this makes no sense to me, titus.

(Why should we assume otherwise? I get a town!vibe from Frozen's posts so far.)

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so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

what do you mean secret the prs? you mean my team? I'm not gonna announce who I'm gonna choose today. tomorrow I will out all players though

I don't get the last sentence and how is this related to my post though

Well if you pick and keep secret, the odds of picking one scum by chance are pretty high. If you're town, you could get blamed for it given scum think you are buddiable. If you're scum secret plus pick allows you to place buddies as PRs.

If we do secret, it should be random to completely reduce the value of scum buddying you for power.

Hmmmm . . . I hadn’t thought of that. I could definitely see how scum could WIFOM on that. Perhaps an optimal solution is a combo of pick and random, secret and open?

I can see how scum could use that to their advantage.

This is even worse than Titus's suggestion.

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Anyone knows why mod keep saying "LEAGUE OF ALISAE" when announcing hero powers under his vcs?

I think Alisae invents two of the powers while the mod had the rest pre-planned.

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Even with a smaller number a biased opinion is nearly always equal or better to a random pick.

Are we sure about that? What is town's winrate here on Mafiascum (for normals)? I'm pretty sure it is fair bit under EV.

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Even with a smaller number a biased opinion is nearly always equal or better to a random pick.

This is true only if information present. D1 has no valid info. Only egos. D1 selections are nothing more than who is effective at buddying.

I disagree with this, but agree with the sentiment.

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I play more relaxed as town than scum, so why wouldn't others?

But, if you guys disagree I can't say that I think it's my best reasoning ever for a read. It's a tone read, and no one follows me on those anyway.

And the Great Gatsby is boring, unlike Watership Down, the best book ever.

Great Gatsby is a meh book but pretty fun to analyze

Great Gatsby is a meh book and a pain to analyze.

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I play more relaxed as town than scum, so why wouldn't others?

But, if you guys disagree I can't say that I think it's my best reasoning ever for a read. It's a tone read, and no one follows me on those anyway.

And the Great Gatsby is boring, unlike Watership Down, the best book ever.

Go read The Right Stuff. It’s even more boring!

Isn't that about the American space program or am I thinking of the wrong thing

Yeah, it's about the American space program, and it's soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring................ The move is almost as bad toooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS VIVE LA FRANCE

lolol congrats

france is the scariest team of this WC. perfect game today.

WC is what? And yeah this game looks like it's gonna be fun.

I would presume WC is tthe World Cup.

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I'm pretty sure purely random out of

5/22

is almost guaranteed to wind up with a scum. Purely random with a smaller number of people selected *might* be optimal, but really, I think that's a silly line to take.

huh?

23 total....FA is one of them, so 22 remaining...she picks *5* OTHER players...so 5/22 can be selected at most.

Assuming Frozen is town (18 / 23):

We have 17 town, 5 scum remaining.

The probability that Frozen picks an all town team is thus: (17 / 22) * (16 / 21) * (15 / 20) * (14 / 19) * (13 / 18) ~ 23.5%
Then the probability that Frozen picks at least once scum randomly is ~(100% - 23.5%) = 76.5%

Assuming Frozen is scum (5 / 23):
We have 18 town, 4 scum remaining.

The probability that the rest of the people Frozen picks are all town: (18 / 22) * (17 / 21) * (16 / 20) * (15 / 19) * (14 / 18) ~ 32.5%
Then the probability that the other members Frozen picks possess at least one scum is ~(100% - 32.5%) = 67.5%

The probability that the 5 members Frozen chooses contain at least one scum if Frozen chooses completely random is thus (18 / 23) * 76.5% + (5 / 23) * 67.5% ~ 75%. That's what the math says about this.

I'm not convinced though that choosing from a smaller pool will increase the odds, simply because that pool may contain multiple scum.... or it may not.

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I have a feeling that scums might get some secret abilities from these skills - something like the setting we made in nahdias civilization mafia last year. If anything this setup is really similar to that game with ability mechanics.

I mean there are clearly 2 source for abilities - one is called "Leage of alisae".

Maybe there is another hidden league of something for scum

There are powers from the League of Alisae, and there are powers from I think Infinitech or whatever it is called. Two of them came from Alisae, and four of them came from Infinitech.

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As I said the only way I might randomize is from a pool of people I townread.

We can even decide that pool by consulting about members I think

Do you expect to townread a large enough number of people D1 that randomizing within that pool will have value?

pedit: Regarding mechanical stuff, based on the abilities on offer and the method by which we decide who gets powers or not, I think it's safe to assume that scum have a factional ability to have *at least* one additional kill/a strongman kill/a roleblock happen during a night. It's possible that they don't, and that we'll see vig powers in the near future, but I find it unlikely that the game would have the possibility of 6 always BP town being created on N1.

*shrug* Maybe I'm wrong though, idk. I was just thinking about whether or not it would be optimal to just have everyone select the BP thing and use it all the time to minimize scum's ability to safely take shots. Even if there is other stuff they can do, it might be best to do that anyways, since it should force the use of resources to secure kills at night, or else they risk gambling stuff? This would, of course, have to be combined with FA *not* claiming who is on her team N1. Just a thought, basically put no effort into it so Drixx and Titus and other people who see when things are mechanically bad ideas please tell me if it's a bad idea kthx.

Don't the powers change each day? Why are you assuming there will be a bulletproof available each day?

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As I said the only way I might randomize is from a pool of people I townread.

We can even decide that pool by consulting about members I think

Do you expect to townread a large enough number of people D1 that randomizing within that pool will have value?

pedit: Regarding mechanical stuff, based on the abilities on offer and the method by which we decide who gets powers or not, I think it's safe to assume that scum have a factional ability to have *at least* one additional kill/a strongman kill/a roleblock happen during a night. It's possible that they don't, and that we'll see vig powers in the near future, but I find it unlikely that the game would have the possibility of 6 always BP town being created on N1.

*shrug* Maybe I'm wrong though, idk. I was just thinking about whether or not it would be optimal to just have everyone select the BP thing and use it all the time to minimize scum's ability to safely take shots. Even if there is other stuff they can do, it might be best to do that anyways, since it should force the use of resources to secure kills at night, or else they risk gambling stuff? This would, of course, have to be combined with FA *not* claiming who is on her team N1. Just a thought, basically put no effort into it so Drixx and Titus and other people who see when things are mechanically bad ideas please tell me if it's a bad idea kthx.

no I will probably fail at having 5 solid ones

what do you think with scum having a league of villans or something idea of me?

I think your league of villains idea has zero merit.

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actually the number of 6 makes me wonder

@mod can two players learn the same ability?

(Lol, people don't read.... No offense.....)

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Votecount 1.3

Leader: Frozen Angel

zMuffinMan (4):

BBmolla, Katsuki, Chickadee, Frozen Angel

123456789 (2):

brassherald, Titus

Cerberus v666 (1):

Sakura Hana

Human Sequencer (1):

123456789

Katsuki (1):

zMuffinMan

randomidget (1):

Toranaga

BBmolla (0):

brassherald (0):

Chickadee (0):

Drixx (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

Myloninja13 (0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nico Robin (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Sando (0):

Shiro (0):

the worst (0):

Titus (0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (13):

Everyone Else

With

23

players, it takes

12

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-07-15 18:00:00).

Abilities Available for Acquisition

BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LEAGUE OF ALISAE

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Siren's Call:

Target another player. That player will redirect any action(s) to target you instead of their original target until the next Night Phase.

INFINITECH STANDARD

Enhanced Hearing:

Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.

Phasing:

Target another player. Any actions that target you before the next Night Phase will target them instead.

Power Mimicry:

Target another player. You will gain one use of any Superpower(s) they use before the end of next Day Phase. These 1-Shot Superpowers will be available to you until the end of the next Night Phase and still count against your Superpower usage.

Spiritual Mediumship:

Target a player that has died within the previous Day or Night Phase. You will have a neighborhood with that player for the following Day and Night Phase.

@Mod: Are all abilities active abilities? Or are some like Impenetrable Skin passive? In particular, if someone chose Impenetrable Skin tonight, would they only be protected tonight or get to choose when to activate it? And if they get to choose.... It would be 1-shot in that case, right?

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I don't think its a good idea to out powered players until the time where we see an action taken that's negative utility.

Same reason you don't role claim.

If FA is dead by that point, (probably by nightkill, cause I townread FA so far), then that would kinda suck, yeah.

Maybe we should only out certain powers?For example, impenetrable skin is pretty harmless to town, so no need to out the player with it.


Siren's call can really mess up the gamestate if we're unaware who has it, same with power mimicry, same with phasing.


Spiritual Mediumship, Impenetrable Skin, and Enchanced Hearing should be unrevealed, but the others should be revealed imo.

The leader, nor do the rest of us, doesn't know which powers are taken.

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maybe I've been too deep in PYPX/Y land but it feels like a waste having such a neat mechanic if the informed minority can't utilise it property you know?

Yeah, it does.

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Sando thank you so much for rolling town with me

You're welcome.

FA can also potentially pick Impenetrable skin, assuming scum only have the one NK for now, should get her through N2 and allow us to hold off claiming powers an extra day.

Just a follow up on this one, don't commit to this today, wait for tomorrow to say whether you've done this or not to see how many kills come out. Worst case scum fake you out by not using their 2nd (3rd, 4th, shit they might all have one!!!!) kills to kill you N2 through your BP, which is still a town-win.

???

The bulletproof only protects from one kill?

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Oooh, day kils wouldn't even work versus the BP, it's from trigger until the next night phase.

@Single digit positive integers: The BP works against a single kill from the time it's triggered until the next night phase. Then they could trigger it again the next night phase...and so on. There is no clause in the ability indicating that it's a passive one shot ability, OR that they lose the ability if the BP ever protects them from a kill.

It's pretty overpowered if it renders someone basically completely bulletproof. The scum's night kill is their biggest advantage.

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VOTE: Titus

Starting to like this vote more than Human.

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The elaborations will come at a later date because I'm off my computer as of now.

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I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

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95% sure you are lying as everyone started vanilla, and I find it doubtful has a post restriction pre-game ability. Besides, if they did, why would the use it on you if all people?

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V/LA until marathon weekend ends.

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I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

VOTE: Katsuki
This is both impossible/a lie and a scum-motivated post

How exactly is it scum-motivated? Or rather, why are you jumping the gun here?

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Oh so alisae is switching like the way ufo was in nintendo game

and probably is doing it to help scum

I don’t see how either of the given abilities help scum. They look likely help town more tbqh.

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And yet if everyone does what you're doing

But they arent.

purposefully proceeds to ignore the rest of cerb's post

Hmmmmmm.......

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This game grows too fast....

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Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353

It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb

I dunno. I think Cerb is likely town here based on meta. Where do you get that scum wanted FA to be a leader? It looked like a mostly town vote to me. Why would you think FA’s being a leader is primarily scum motivated?

Basic math. 5 scum. If scum didn't want FA to be leader, they coordinate on someone else. FA has received fewer than 5 votes claimed. The Day 1 leader is always scum motivated. (Note: That does not mean FA scum).

Cerb acting as if he cannot die is rather scummy. A town Cerb considers that a) There might be a factional strongman b) That FA might read him as scum incorrectly and thus not give him a vest or c) imply she would give cerb a vest to protect more town reads but scum shoot Cerb anyway.

1) I don't get why scum MUST coordinate... They could simply just choose not to and pick whoever they prefer.....
2) Each player on the team pick their own powers.

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I'm putting Nancy as town for now, I really like the nuanced questioning. Pretty typical Nancy but I can't remember a scumgame. Is Nancy this open and honest as scum?

I haven’t one. I still have yet to rand scum. The closest I got was Zero where I misunderstood the role and didn’t realize I was until the end of the game and played against my wincon the entire time. Lol

Why would anyone be open and honest as scum? Like Dude but like Duke said about me in the light game, I always wear my heart on my sleeve, sometimes/often to my detriment.

How many games have you played on mafiascum so far?

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I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

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95% sure you are lying as everyone started vanilla, and I find it doubtful has a post restriction pre-game ability. Besides, if they did, why would the use it on you if all people?

Wow no one here has really played with Katsuki before, huh?

I have back in 2016, and I was extremely annoyed with their lurking.

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Yo, Gamma Gamma is town.

Now I'm off to see Ant Man and the Wasp. Relevant to the game because superheroes

Scum.

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Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353

It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb

I dunno. I think Cerb is likely town here based on meta. Where do you get that scum wanted FA to be a leader? It looked like a mostly town vote to me. Why would you think FA’s being a leader is primarily scum motivated?

Basic math. 5 scum. If scum didn't want FA to be leader, they coordinate on someone else. FA has received fewer than 5 votes claimed. The Day 1 leader is always scum motivated. (Note: That does not mean FA scum).

Cerb acting as if he cannot die is rather scummy. A town Cerb considers that a) There might be a factional strongman b) That FA might read him as scum incorrectly and thus not give him a vest or c) imply she would give cerb a vest to protect more town reads but scum shoot Cerb anyway.

Titus, people don't shoot me. You know that. I know that. I have been shot at like three times ever in all the games of mafia I've played, and one of those times it was because I literally claimed cop on D1. I have been lynched EVEN LESS OFTEN. I'm ALWAYS this certain(regardless of alignment) that I will not die. The potential of power just makes it EVEN LESS LIKELY, given that 33% of the available powers will prevent a kill from hitting the person who takes the power.

In addition...read my posts? Actually respond to those? Please don't do the bullshit "oh you're scum now so I'm not going to interact with you" thing that so many fucking idiots here do. I called out factionals and other possibilities REPEATEDLY, and B/C *don't actually matter because the only thing that matters is maintaining that the POSSIBILITY of protection exists for me.

I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.

And so what im doing in this game was born.

Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.

I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.

I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.

This is even stupider than the previous thing, somehow. I'm fucking astonished by your audacity in stating that *I* fail to understand relevance.

I give ZERO fucks about her choosing to not answer something(it was brought up by her yesterday, and I gave her no notable shit about it). I give MANY fucks about *the way* she chose to not answer things. The question of "is phrasing thigns this way, and throwing in this little addendum pointing out the obvious decision to not answer the rest of the post, something that town!sakura does?" should be naturally fucking implied by my entire post. I say this is suspicious. If that behavior isn't suspicious for this person, tell me why. Is it not suspicious because it's natural behavior for them? Is it not suspicious because it's NEVER SUSPICIOUS, no matter who does it or in what context?

This is also my friendly reminder that I, Titus, do not act outside of my D1 town meta as scum, because that meta makes it really fucking easy to get away with basically anything later in the game. If you think me picking a hill to die on on D1(which, btw, I'm not actually doing, but you somehow seem to think I *am*) is abnormal, it's not scummy. *shrug*

This feels like a scumpost.

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The possibility of protection exists for everyone barring a strongman.

No grandstanding needs to be done to protect it.

I disagree with the bolded, because people are stupid. Gotta keep shoving their faces in the fact that up to ~20% of the game could be BP after tonight alone, thereby giving them cause to utilize (hopefully limited use) factional powers to ensure kills occur!

(Or perhaps such powers don't exist.... How would one know.... unless they are scum?)

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Also, Cerb I did not move the goalposts.

A good Cerb knows nightless isn't a setup town wins. A good Cerb realizes that his claim gives no invests. You're acting in your walls as if one did not exist. Mentioning something is not intellectual vigor.

It's just odd. A good Cerb knows there are serious flaws logically with you.

"Nightless isn't a setup town wins" --> ???? Doesn't the fact that scum can't kill the good scumhunters make it

much more likely

that town wins (more so than the EV suggests)?

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you gave reads, just didn't expand when asked.

That is correct.

if you can go down from your millennial podium for a second to explain this one I'd appreciate it.

I'd appreciate it if you didnt talk about it in that way, I never said I was better than anyone, nor that my reads should be listened to without explanation, im just relaxing and being lazy.

These posts shade Sakura fwiw. You imply she's millenial and thus lesser.

VOTE: titus

I'm doing this.

calling someone a millennial being on the same footing with shading them has to be the most nonsense thing I was ever accused with, which reminds me of when I posted a voldemort gif and you said I was claiming scum in assassins' creed.

this is what you do as scum. you throw any logic out the window to push whatever you want pushed. you'd be more reasonable as town.

Town.

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wait are those usernames of people who play on Mafia scum?!

Technically one is...? Democracy was a mega hydra that was in a game I played

Gonna be honest, I do not feel like reading 15 pages. I've skimmed some of it...and I'm glossing over....

All I am confident in is Cerb and FA being town. But like...those are shallow reads and even I know it.

This is a town-motivated post.

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I wish they had a post vote count feature like they do on MU.

they do. click on `activity overview`, it's somewhere below the posting things in thread box.

Where?

That tells you posting activity but not vote counts.

Click on the number of posts for any person to iso them. Or just click the iso button right at the top of any post.

Nancy, I know you're not that new has no one told you these things by now?

That's not what is being asked for.

Vote counts

, not

post counts

.

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brassherald, thoughts on the game?

we're movie bros now, but that doesn't make you town.

There's lots of stuff I have only skimmed from today because I am semi-VLA during the weekends, but here are general thoughts so far.

I am not a fan of people refusing to explain reads, personally, I don't necessarily think it's AI, because I have played with people like Wisdom who do that as town, but, damn, it's annoying and I think inhibits the town from forming an effective town block.

I'm very confident in Gamma being town, he has a distinct tone in his town games from his scum games. I know he took a break, but this is his town tone, not his scum tone. I've successfully identified the town tone in games in the past, particularly Civ V mafia where people wanted to lynch him repeatedly, but, I really ask that people listen to me on this one for a change.

As I said, Nancy is probtown, that whole ISO thing doesn't come from scum with daychat.

the worst is not looking good to me, he's another I have a good record of reading and I don't know how involved he actually is in the Marathon weekend, but he's been evasive here. In fact VOTE: the worst

I see the point on muffin, and he's scummy, but we have plenty of time and I've no clue what the VC on him is.

Chick is also another one that pings me, but, let's be honest, that's nothing new. Eventually I'll be right and she's scum, but she's on my watch list.

If there's anyone in particular you'd like my thoughts on, I'm happy to give them. This is just what's sticking out in my head right now.

Another bad post from you.

The Worst has been heavily involved with the marathon forum, so it isn't fair to say they are being evasive here. Their attention is simply directed elsewhere (like mine was during the marathon weekend).

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I'll be able to sort brassherald p soon when I'm around more if that helps

ND39 usually blows me away with her towniness to the point of sheer madness by now but could also attribute to the fact I've been busy

unshakable gross-feeling powerwolf gutread on FA which my head is telling me to shake

otherwise I'm in consensus read mode ATM I think

I'm not familiar with Nancy's meta, but something feels off about this one.

As for Frozen Angel, exactly why do you gut!wolf read them? Can you explain it in any form of words?

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you think I've been evasive Sando?
do you think me not being here is scum indicative?

I think you've been pretty much ignoring this game up until today RL and that Gamma is not wrong to point that out.

I think it's NAI for you, but calling Gamma out for saying it is not reasonable, it's a fair point from him.

Meh, I disagree that The Worst was actually "ignoring" the game.

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Look, there's a thing called a pressure vote. I was trying it on for size and summoning the duck. It worked.

No, marathon weekend ended, so the duckling came here.

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Titus

(They call her "Moon Walker" for a reason!)

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@cupcake

read human sequencer and 123456789 ISOs and tell me what you see

(Why?)

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[]2gGvBQ5qlpk[/]

I like how you are simply responding with videos and no words.... (Not!)

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@cupcake

read human sequencer and 123456789 ISOs and tell me what you see

What are you trying to say here?

Bad post.

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@muffins: not sure they arent exactly players I have experience reading and dont feel like spending more htan 30s on their ISOs

Ircher usually plays out quite obviously if I recall

This description of me seems to be pretty fair.

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i just wanted to see what cupcake said about those two

@sakura

read human sequencer and 123456789 ISOs and tell me what you see

Why do you keep asking this.

If you scumread us, go ahead and say it; don't be wishy-washy about it.

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@sakura

read human sequencer and 123456789 ISOs and tell me what you see

Eh, i just double ISO'd them, didn't find anything notable from HS except maybe less active than in minuet's trio, and apparently numbers cant decide if he townreads you or not, then goes into mechanic talk.

Yeah, I'm still trying to decide on whether Muffin is town or scum.

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there's a link between them but it's not important

they're both scum individually

How are we both scum individually? Is this a meta-backed reason or simply an observation about our contents? Because if it is the latter, you really ought to check my meta first and verify your suspicions before doubling-down here.

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the link? no. need more data before i talk about that

why they're scum individually? i thought it would be obvious to anyone who'd read their ISOs - if you don't see it, then you don't see it

i'll throw you a bone and say that there's a lack of incisive commentary from either player and that plays a part in it. think about the movitations behind why they ask the particular questions they ask too

The game is pretty early. (Okay, maybe not...)

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because when i give reads, i get people asking why and i don't feel like answering why this early - you either follow my thought process or you don't and i don't particularly care if you don't atm

(Because you’re scum?)

pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

i doubt they piled onto FA

i doubt they aren't going to truthfully claim who they voted

any smart scum would be playing the long game; whoever gets voted D1 doesn't matter (except insofar as you want to get into the league of extraordinary gentlemuffins). sac the D1 leader position (if scum gets voted, it's good for them, but if not, it doesn't matter), manipulate reads in such a way that you can vote scum on later nights is the long term plan for any smart scum team. there was obviously going to be a mass claim of votes; better to just be truthful about it D1 and manipulate shit later...

Congrats you get my first vote. I usually hang on to this a while longer.

VOTE: zMuffinMan


While we don't know wether or not scum got to talk pregame during voting, your post here reads like you know they didn't.

???

Zmuffin seems Town to me...

I mean these two posts are kinda weird. Anything else I'm missing muffin?

Yeah, numbers’ dude keeps trolling. Voted themself and then denied it. Definitely odd.

But is trolling scum-indicative?

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zMuffinMan (6): BBmolla, Katsuki, Chickadee, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39, brassherald

What even is this wagon? Did anyone actually compile a case on the Muffin slot?

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Sando puts more effort into their posts than anyone else in the game - probably town

I like how UFO is pushing people hard.

Brass is definitely different here than he was in Necro - a lot more content. I like his thought processes.

FA seems to have good tone.

I’m really liking Titus - plenty of nuanced reads, good interactions, plus is adorable.

Human seems okay so far, I will need to see more from him

Gamma seems okay, some posts seem to be a bit contradictory but tone seems villagery.

Random needs to start posting more. Seems like disinterested villa

Need more on Katsuki, Kokichi and Chick

Numbers - troll lol. Are they scum or just obvious mislynchbait?

This is a bad post.

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Scum have daychat correct? Otherwise I'd say as a means of coded messages.

It's in the rules.... Scum indeed possess daytalk.

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So my current TRs are FA, duckling and Sakura (who doesn't pick a mechanical fight with me as scum imo). I normally build a "Town list", a "not to be lynched today list", a "yeah ok you can lynch them list" and a "scum list". That said, are we coordinating the next leader openly? Cause while I think we should obviously go for as townie as possible in our leader list, there's some townies that I don't feel completely comfortable picking as leader (although still better choices than anyone not in townie list).

How exactly is it scum-motivated? Or rather, why are you jumping the gun here?

Scum have daychat correct? Otherwise I'd say as a means of coded messages.

Oh so alisae is switching like the way ufo was in nintendo game

and probably is doing it to help scum

I don’t see how either of the given abilities help scum. They look likely help town more tbqh.

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I don't understand FAs post, what was UFO doing in nintendo?

Oh, so you think Katsuki’s videos are coded messages? I hadn’t thought of that. Hmmmm . . . I don’t understand the nintendo reference either and what it has to do with Alsae.

It is really bad that you are deciding to go along with Sando's conspiracy theory here, and I think you are scum for it. Sando gets a pass because they asked the question about daytalk.

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in nintendo switch mash, after I died n2 I became responsible for "switching" all the colours at night. there was red/blue, yellow/brown, black/white, etc. players actions would perform different abilities depending on what colour I chose at night. E.G. a role that, if white, peeks it's target and, if black, kills it.

I believe alisae has the power to either choose from a row of mod determined abilities every gameday, or craft their own in a way that can help scum. it's different from what I did in nintendo, but similar in the sense that both me and alisae need to achieve a wincon through manipulating the mechanics, without being "alive" in the sense of posting in thread etc.

Interesting theory, but why does Alisae pick a bulletproof option for scum? There isn't a vig currently, so scum don't need a bulletproof vest.

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lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

What makes you think with such confidence that Katsuki isn't scum? I mean, he isn't guaranteed to be scum, not by a long-shot, but I'm not sure where this confidence in town!Katsuki comes from because they have barely posted anything.

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in nintendo switch mash, after I died n2 I became responsible for "switching" all the colours at night. there was red/blue, yellow/brown, black/white, etc. players actions would perform different abilities depending on what colour I chose at night. E.G. a role that, if white, peeks it's target and, if black, kills it.

I believe alisae has the power to either choose from a row of mod determined abilities every gameday, or craft their own in a way that can help scum. it's different from what I did in nintendo, but similar in the sense that both me and alisae need to achieve a wincon through manipulating the mechanics, without being "alive" in the sense of posting in thread etc.

Interesting, how do they go about it do you think based on your game?

it's a different mechanic entirely. I believe alisae has to choose 2 powers from a row every gameday. she chose a protective ability today, for instance, which can be smart for the scum team so they get rid of this ability early to get their kills through in later gamedays when there are actual clears and scum needs to kill confirmed town.

Again, each member of the superhero team can choose what abiity they want. Scum can't influence another person on the superhero's team choice.

Pedit: How do I manage to get pedit'd TWICE while making this short post?

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One is in Japanese (can anyone translate?) and involves a soldier

無敵のSoldier probably is a bulletproof crumb!?!

cupcake, are you crumbing bulletproof?

Everyone started vanilla, so why do you think Katsuki is crumbing bulletproof?

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scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way.

On the surface yes, but I struggle to believe scum played so suboptimally.

Scum can play as suboptimal as town can. Simply having more people helps, but with diminishing returns.

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Hi sorry, I'll get to this, but I can say that I picked The Worst for leader because he's my bird buddy!

This is like the third time you have effectively prod-dodged this game. Please give some content.

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that's fine. that's the point, actually...

for example...

pick two people (cerb and sando for example's sake, but put this to a public vote i guess)

if you have a town read on one of them, you vote inside those two names (no excuses - voting outside of these two names would explicitly mean you're not town reading either of them)

if you don't have a town read on one of them, you don't declare who you're voting for today, and this makes for a somewhat interesting scenario if a name outside of the two gets elected leader (because, really, it would have to be a co-ordinated effort)

or...

just force people to vote in those two names and claim it before the day ends so there's a roughly even split (e.g. 10ish people on each name), but this can be kinda iffy if theyre not both universal town reads (and i don't think i've seen someone that's actually a universal town read yet)

*shrug*

I feel like this strategy has some merits to it, but I'm not sure everyone (or even the majority of people) would necessarily follow this strategy.

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in all honesty, i don't give a flying fuck about the leadership mechanic (it's cool and all, but it's a huge distraction in terms of signal:noise ratio in game) and i'll be playing this as though it's mountainous

i was just making a suggestion that made sense to me. i don't care whether or not it gets followed or what actually happens with it

i'm probably not going to be talking about mechanics anymore unless i spot something i think is egregious enough that it requires correction

Playing this as if it is mountainous is not to town's benefit; remember, scum have the advantage in mountainous, especially with 5 of them.

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Every time Titus posts something with like 30 quotes in it my eyes roll a little further back into my skull

People scumreading muffin is pretty lul

Muffin scumreading me is pretty :<
I can kinda see 1-9 scum tho

Toranaga is probs town
Bbmolla too

And thus hs finally caught up

I don't really like this post.

You "kinda see" me as scum.... Why? In particular, why "kinda"? What makes you doubt your scumread on me or otherwise question it?

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People scumreading muffin is pretty lul

Por que?

Porque HS no sabe que el esta hablando sobre.

(You can use google translate if you don't know what that means.)

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I would lynch katsuki in this and every other game forever until she decides to play mafia instead of trying to be cute. is she wolfy, is she villagery? who knows, right. it's a bunch of videos.

I think sakura needs to expand on her stance on katsuki and be as clear and honest as possible. I'm also starting to find her posting odd.

human sequence is probably a villager. I like the way he is reading the game and the things he is reacting to.

I also like muffin more and more as the day progresses

I also think shiro is very unlikely to be mafia.

so I have as towns: FA, cerb, sando, shiro, muffin, human, nancy.

I would lynch a good number of players this gameday. katsuki, sakura tbh, titus, nicorobin cause he voted for titus, chickadee, the worst.

not that I'm confidently scumreading any of them.

Your reads are quite wrong imo.

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Granted 839 is the first bit of some sort of honest scumhunting i see from you.

I already don't want to lynch you anymore.

VOTE: chickadee

That was a quick shift.

I agree.

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[]2gGvBQ5qlpk[/]

VOTE: Katsuki if I'm not already

why?

also I see you poking at things of little substance and not adding much to them. IDK if that's how you play as a wolf but I'm expecting more townyness from you gamma.

She's not even posting content within the restriction, despite showing she definitely can. Even with a very crippling restriction, I've seen others make do.

That’s Katsuki for ya.

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5 more pages?! Gah!

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I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

VOTE: Katsuki
This is both impossible/a lie and a scum-motivated post

How exactly is it scum-motivated? Or rather, why are you jumping the gun here?

Yeah, I’m thinking what Katsuki is claiming does seem farfetched but it seems like a strange thing to make up. Perhaps, he can squeeze some game-related content into his posts, so we can be better able to sort him?

Although Katsuki isn’t beyond making fake claims as either alignment. I’ve probably only been in a handful of games where I can confidently determine a scum motivtion - straight off the bat.

responding to this rather than the intial post because it let's me get out a bit more of my logic here: maybe it was jumping the gun then but Katsuki hasn't delivered content since and I know it's possible to deliver content even by just posting pictures, as Alisae has demonstrated in the past. So yeah, it's scum motivated because it excuses a lack of content, which is definitely the case.

Except that this is how Katsu always play. Kinda like Not_Mafia tbh but posts a little more and doesn’t lol!quickhammer.

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lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

Yeah I'm sorry I won't ask for explanations all the time but a Katsuki townread really does need a logical reason, given the whole ISO is devoid of stuff to townread imho

Sakura didn’t say they townread Katsuki?

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lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

Yeah I'm sorry I won't ask for explanations all the time but a Katsuki townread really does need a logical reason, given the whole ISO is devoid of stuff to townread imho

A term people use a lot is the term "Anti-town" to define people that play against town's win condition. Well I think the way Katsuki is playing is anti-scum, it may be of no help to town, but is even less helpful for scum, not pushing an agenda and potentially being scumread and lynched for it, the only scum motivation it could have is not providing content, and that's actually NAI for katsuki (scum citation needed, but he does it as town), the way he purposefully fake claimed a post restriction makes it lean more towards town side, coz that draws more attention than is needed, not helping scum at all.

Even if you take out the anti-scum option, Kats lack of content D1 is something NAI.

Hope that clears things up.

plus at least songs give me something to listen to, much better than hangman

I like this post.

Oh, and did someone say Hangman?

_ _ _ _ _ / _ _ / _ _ _ _.

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VOTE: titus

I got like 5 minutes of not dealing with the case from hell right now. So, could you expand on this read a bit, or link me to a post where you talk about this read?

Thanks in advance.

He's taking issue with me saying FA was likely scum selected but not singling out a particular slot as doing it.

If that's it, I don't get it.

Nor do I but it's a type of argument that certain types of players use a lot, not just UFO. They expect a premise to have an overarching theory d1. Pushing a player is good. I just can't form the confidence to state a likely theory yet.

My next move tomorrow is to compare the zmuffin man wagon to FA voters

Perhaps rephrasing would bring some clarity?

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As in I don't understand the plain English meaning of those words

I think scum helped FA to be leader.
UFO wants a specific name.
It's just too early for that.

(That makes way more sense.)

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As in I don't understand the plain English meaning of those words

I think scum helped FA to be leader.
UFO wants a specific name.
It's just too early for that.

Titus: FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga

This pool 100% contains at least one scum, or do you think whatever scum voted for FA lied and said they voted elsewhere, for someone without votes?

Don’t call me SDPI unless you tell me what it stands for and I approve.

Why are you 100 % certain there is scum in the pool?

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As in I don't understand the plain English meaning of those words

I think scum helped FA to be leader.
UFO wants a specific name.
It's just too early for that.

Titus: FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga

This pool 100% contains at least one scum, or do you think whatever scum voted for FA lied and said they voted elsewhere, for someone without votes?

complain about game length

proceed to post 20 or so 1-line single-quote responses

I’m on phone rn. Multiquoting isn’t an option.

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People scumreading muffin is pretty lul

Por que?

Porque HS no sabe que el esta hablando sobre.

(You can use google translate if you don't know what that means.)

i can tell you used google translate to make this post lmfao

Try it the other way; you’ll get something different.

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in nintendo switch mash, after I died n2 I became responsible for "switching" all the colours at night. there was red/blue, yellow/brown, black/white, etc. players actions would perform different abilities depending on what colour I chose at night. E.G. a role that, if white, peeks it's target and, if black, kills it.

I believe alisae has the power to either choose from a row of mod determined abilities every gameday, or craft their own in a way that can help scum. it's different from what I did in nintendo, but similar in the sense that both me and alisae need to achieve a wincon through manipulating the mechanics, without being "alive" in the sense of posting in thread etc.

Interesting, how do they go about it do you think based on your game?

it's a different mechanic entirely. I believe alisae has to choose 2 powers from a row every gameday. she chose a protective ability today, for instance, which can be smart for the scum team so they get rid of this ability early to get their kills through in later gamedays when there are actual clears and scum needs to kill confirmed town.

Again, each member of the superhero team can choose what abiity they want. Scum can't influence another person on the superhero's team choice.

Pedit: How do I manage to get pedit'd TWICE while making this short post?

yeah, my theory is that alisae has a row of abilities e can choose from each gameday, and that e elected a protective now so e doesn't have to choose it later

But like, that theory is fundamentally wrong, UNLESS you think e assumed that the leader today would be scum, because having this particular protective available from D1 is actually the worst case scenario for scum.

I agree with this.

Huh. I was expecting this to be a scum slot.

And that’s what scum say.... Still scumreading this slot....

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Useless or anti-town?

what's the difference

One hurts town, one neither hurts nor helps...

How is this hard to understand as a concept?

I think it’s a pretty meaningless distinction.

Both things hurt town btw.

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I also feel like kokichi is being a bit disappointing.

I'm used to him not posting content, but he's normally a lot more funny about it.

I feel like he's acting off enough that I sadly consider him a little under null.

Sando is town, but way too concerned about certain things... Nos is prob town? Dunno.

Uhhh Shiro is another slot I don't expect too much out of, but I feel pretty good bout him so far.

Titus is giving me feels. Bad feels, maybe.

Hebi can be Town as well.

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Not Voting (9): Everyone Else

The day ends in 5 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes.

alright lads we'd better start consolidating soon before we get a deadline lynch

people who are voting muffin should stop voting muffin
pick a scumread and vote and we'll go from there

nos is town btw

Why are you white-knighting Muffin?

Scumreads in Nancy, Human, Cerb, Titus, and Ankamius currently.

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the most impressive thing about this game is that sando has 39 posts, not a shred of scum hunting in

any

of them and i still think he seems town

kudos, sir

What?????

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I have no objection to lynching either SDPI(posting two pages of single quote responses IMMEDIATELY after someone stated they were going to be replacing out because they couldn't keep up makes you someone I expect to have a negative effect on town motivation throughout the game), or Katsuki, for similar anti-town motivations. TBH, I don't have any real objections to lynching most people because most haven't been super town...but ya know, just making it clear that those two in particular are actively acting in a fashion that doesn't help the game state.

I should probably figure out who is actually town.

I wish Drixx were actually posting.

For, I didn’t see that post while I was catching up.

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Titus, you're not looking very town

The same could be said for your slot.

Random could also be scum by virtue of having done like nothing this game; I can’t remember a single post from them. Same for Mylo who also has a scum meta of keeping quiet.

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Can you look town in the meantime so I can solve the game

You know I lack that gene. So I am not going to Peacock. Talk to me about Numbers. Do you see that he has little follow through like I do?

If you are doing the same thing as me, why are you scumreading me for it?

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UNVOTE, VOTE: IRCHER

Are you following the bandwagon, or do you have a legit scumread on me?

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Yo, Gamma Gamma is town.

Now I'm off to see Ant Man and the Wasp. Relevant to the game because superheroes

Scum.

How?

General vibes, esp. the last part which is made to look relevant when it really isn’t.

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in nintendo switch mash, after I died n2 I became responsible for "switching" all the colours at night. there was red/blue, yellow/brown, black/white, etc. players actions would perform different abilities depending on what colour I chose at night. E.G. a role that, if white, peeks it's target and, if black, kills it.

I believe alisae has the power to either choose from a row of mod determined abilities every gameday, or craft their own in a way that can help scum. it's different from what I did in nintendo, but similar in the sense that both me and alisae need to achieve a wincon through manipulating the mechanics, without being "alive" in the sense of posting in thread etc.

Interesting theory, but why does Alisae pick a bulletproof option for scum? There isn't a vig currently, so scum don't need a bulletproof vest.

Two options imo. One: there was also a vig option (I get you mentioned that but the other four are randomized in that case right? A vig could have been randed). Two: factional strongman.

Take note of the PSA when you finish catching up.

ANKA WHAT GAVE YOU THE AUDACITY
TO BE SCUM WHEN I'M AROUND
MY HEART CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH

See, I’m not the only one who sees the slot as scum.

VOTE: Numbers

Still need to compare professed leadership votes to wagons but I am highly curious about this. Numbers has done a lot of attacking but very little townreading of slots.

Numbers flip would suggest Tog's alignment as well.

I'm hard tunneling you now titus.

never moving my vote d1. this is a slimy post and will look even worse if 123456789 is actually town which I suspect to be the case.

Do you think there's any chance of Titus actually being lynched today? Like, let's just take a finger and dip it into the thread.

I've expressed suspicion of Titus, but have not voted her(and though you don't know this, there's nearly no chance of me voting her with the weakness of my current suspicion).

2-3 other people have, at best, said things about her bother them, but nobody except for SDPI has voted her, and the people who are suspicious of her are not FOCUSED on her.

You're welcome to keep voting there, but I don't think it's likely to actually turn into a lynch.

By that logic only numbers is lynchable today.

How exactly? There is support for other lunches. I know Muffin would do a Human Lynch as much as they would a numbers lynch.

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SDPI= Single Digit Positive Integers.

Which I already explained, and asked about, in a post you ignored.

Where? And don’t call me that.

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Prodge

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Yea sure she will say who she is going to pick. I trust FA to pick all town but nobody is 100% fail proof

What makes you think that?

Not really, I think katsuki is lying.

do you think that's AI for katsuki? to lie, I mean.

No idea never played with them. I just think it's a lie and a bit suspicious. I would lynch them but it's or like a strong scumread

I don’t think it’s alignment indicative.

it's not super important but i took numbers dude's advice and looked up his games to see how he normally posts

if anyone wants to do some reading, compare the following:

town: viewtopic.php?p=10158919&user_select%5B ... #p10158919
here: viewtopic.php?p=10295370&user_select%5B ... #p10295370

(hint: while he also spam posts like this as town, that's not the important part)

Okay, so muffin is likely town for actually conducting some research before doubling-down.

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I'm pretty sure purely random out of 5/22 is almost guaranteed to wind up with a scum. Purely random with a smaller number of people selected *might* be optimal, but really, I think that's a silly line to take.

THANK YOU

Titus + Nancy are scummy as fuck for pushing that randomize-PRs suggestion and justification.

I really want to flip Titus now; at the very least, FA would be heavily spewed as town from it if she flips scum since that is absolutely not a SvS interaction.

But do you have a method that is *guaranteed* to have a lower chance of including scum? (Eh, let’s say 95% confident because guarantees are like non-existent in this game.)

@Mod: Is Impenetrable skin usable all the way through the game until it's used or does it expire on Night 2?

I should stick to MU. There my intelligence is respected even if disagreed. I don't get voted for mechanics disagreements and trying to sort from my theory.

Yeah, well, it benefits scum to suggest ideas about mechanics that are likely to help scum. In other words, you can’t completely absolve responsibility for what you post since it is just mechanics-related.

I should stick to MU. There my intelligence is respected even if disagreed. I don't get voted for mechanics disagreements and trying to sort from my theory.

You're literally suggesting a plan that:

1. Is likely to have at least one scum being picked for a superpower regardless just via statistics
2. Makes it so FA is not accountable for her picks
3. Makes it so FA can "happen" to have the picks land on scum if she's scum and claim they were random
4. Basically removes any readability from the mechanic, which is the biggest protown way to use it right now

This is a heavily proscum move and I see you in a better light than to assume you would suggest this as town, so you're scum.

1) Is pretty much unavoidable.
2) Is true but is it really that big a concern? The likelihood that FA chooses 3-5 of the scum isn’t that high.
3) Not really. It’s harder to tell, yes, but I would be suspicious if a lot of scum were chosen.
4) Meh
I’m not convinced that it is heavily pro-scum though I agree it prob. benefits scum to a degree.

Yet when I push for FA to claim targets, I get called scummy for wanting that accountability. It's a catch 22. If I say nothing and blindly trust FA, then I am acting proscum. If I speak up, those who like FA and elect her basically attack because they feel like they are untouchable majority who shouldn't be suspected.

What likely happened is scum dispersed on buddyable people.

This is generally what happens.

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Everytime I try to get engagement on my reads, I get ignored and tell me to plug my nose. What specifically should I do? Ignore charismatic scum possibility is not the answer.

Can you clarify this?

Hi Drixx.

Everytime I tried to engage on numbers in a substantive way, I got attacked.

What I say about Numbers gets ignored except for 1 comment by worst.

Numbers is basically just parroting suspicions and not calling anyone town.

Got any thoughts please? Like I miss you. NAI miss you.

Umm... 1) I’m not totally parroting other people’s suspicions. That said, if I agree with something, I’m gonna point it out. 2) I’ve called posts town and I actually do have a bunch of townreads.

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5 more pages?! Gah!

Look who's talking.

lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

Yeah I'm sorry I won't ask for explanations all the time but a Katsuki townread really does need a logical reason, given the whole ISO is devoid of stuff to townread imho

Sakura didn’t say they townread Katsuki?

I'm sorry did I forget proper english? doesn't "not scum" = "town"?

No, “not scum” does not mean “town”; it means “not scum”. But I realized I made that same mistake when I read it the first time, so I can’t fault you for it.

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What makes you think that?

That she is a good player.

I have a feeling that even with 10% better reads, the chances of choosing scum is still rather high. Plus, this is a pretty large game, so it’s gonna be hard to get reads on certain people.

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Sando - Town
BBMolla - Null leaning town
NicoRobin - Null
Randomidget - Null leaning scum
Kokichi Oma - Leaning Town
Nancy Drew 39 - Scum
hebichan - Leaning Town
zMuffinMan - Leaning Town
Human Sequencer - Scum
Katsuki - Null
Sakura Hana - Town
Toranga - Town
Frozen Angel - Town
Shiro - Town
Gamma Emerald - Leaning town
Ankamius - Scum
Nosferatu - Leaning town
Cerberus v666 - Scum
Myloninja13 - Null leaning scum
the worst - Town
Titus - Scum
Drixx - Null

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I want to lynch in {Titus, Ankamius, Nancy} right now.

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5 more pages?! Gah!

Look who's talking.

lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

Yeah I'm sorry I won't ask for explanations all the time but a Katsuki townread really does need a logical reason, given the whole ISO is devoid of stuff to townread imho

Sakura didn’t say they townread Katsuki?

I'm sorry did I forget proper english? doesn't "not scum" = "town"?

No, “not scum” does not mean “town”; it means “not scum”. But I realized I made that same mistake when I read it the first time, so I can’t fault you for it.

This game is confirmed town and mafia. So unless you want to tell me the moderator lied, you're going to have to do a lot of work to justify someone calling someone not scum not equaling calling someone town. Plus I've had other back up my POV, while no one has backed up yours. Is that enough reasoning to cut through your foolishness?

"Not Scum" can mean a nullish read or a townread.

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1. In 1390,

@1-9 can you elaborate on these?

Drixx - Null
Frozen Angel - Town
NicoRobin - Null
zMuffinMan - Leaning Town
Cerberus v666 - Scum
Randomidget - Null leaning scum
Nancy Drew 39 - Scum

Drixx is null because they haven't done much. Same thing for NicoRobin and Randomidget really. (Nico has a reputation for posting in bursts and lurking at other times. Drixx doesn't post often either, but they do post semi-regularly. I am not sure about Randomidget, so I lean scum there because lurking is slightly more likely to come from scum than town, especially since it likes they are kinda actively lurking.)

Frozen Angel is town based on early game interactions and all. I also highly doubt that scum piled up their votes on Frozen Angel, so I think Frozen was chosen by town-motivated voters.

Muffin I keep going back and forth on, but as I mentioned earlier, Muffin's meta check on me registers as something town would do. In particular, scum would be more inclined just to keep on pushing the lynch without conducting research or employing the argument that "meta is useless because it is easily manipulated" which really isn't true if you know what you are looking for with meta.
Cerberus is scum for a couple of reasons. For instance, I don't really like 1062 because it is basically Cerb shutting down any other potential wagons... It's not like we were *that* close to deadline at the time. 1045 is bad because it seems most (if not all) of Cerb's reads come down to policy-related reasons versus actual content. Eh, let's most (if not all) of Cerb's scumreads. Another issue with the post is that it suggests that Cerb isn't really paying attention to the game as they should if they were town. (This is given their level of activity throughout the game; based on that, they should have quite a few solid reads, but the post gives the impression that they do not.) 942 is another example of this kind of theme in Cerb's posts: pushing reads for mostly policy or "OMGUS" reasons versus based on scum motivations. There was some other, early-game stuff as well.

Nancy is scum primarily based on gut-related reasons. Still, some things that stick out include 256 (not really a good suggestion) and 501 (being contrary just for the sake of it). 552 also feels off as well, but this is not easily explained. 558 is basically Nancy running with something Titus says. (Which to be clear, I don't get that impression from Nancy's posts.) 728 is more information than analysis. Simply stating "odd" isn't really much in terms of analysis; it looks more like scum trying to look like they're doing constructive stuff when they aren't.

2. In 1391:

I like how numbers thinks that my two strongest scumreads are my scumpartners

What makes you think my reads have anything to do with associatives? The reads are more or less independent of one another. See, it's stuff like this that cause me to scumread your slot.

3. In 1395:

But his reads are pretty blatantly not good reads when you compare them to the game as a whole

1) Having reads different from everyone else has been a scumread since when?
2) Having reads different from everyone else makes then bad reads since when?

4. In 1397:

What do you think about him being willing to lynch the person who is scumreading nancy the hardest before nancy

I would like to note that my lynchpool wasn't really ordered. I mean, I'm voting Titus right now, so one could say I want them lynched before the other two, but Titus hasn't really been aggressively scumreading Nancy as far as I remember.

5. In 1478:

why?

(In response to 902): Primarily gut-related reasons. I feel it would've been written differently if it came from scum.

Why was it a bad post?

(In response to 924): It's bad because the reads seem to be almost 100% effort-based.

6. 1497 by Frozen is a stellar town post. 1529 is also a really good post.

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1-9 -- why the different style of read list?

Because I was being really lazy.

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one last thing of interest before i sleep for anyone who finds this sort of thing interesting (i do):

numbers dude has 5 full-on "scum" reads
numbers dude has 5 full-on "town" reads
the rest are varying degrees of lean or null

this is a 18:5 game and it should be far easier to get town reads than scum reads here

not a slam dunk "only scum would do this" thing or anything... just something that i found interesting when i saw his reads list

Bruh! Do you really expect me to have a dozen *confident* townreads at this point? Also, I have 6, Not 5 *confident* townreads. Just because a read is a lean doesn’t mean it’s not a valid read; it simply indicates that my read there is less confident than my full on townreads. If anything, you should know that I tend to be conservative in giving out full-on reads, so this observation is completely baseless.

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(The clock's ticking....)

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Suppose Ankamius and I are scum together. Wouldn't it make more sense to focus your attention on the player with more votes, especially with barely a day left before deadline @Nancy? Like, as much as I hate to admit it, an Ankamius lynch is practically impossible at this point in the day.

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Why? It's not like we've accomplished that much this game.

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yeah, well, i mean... it's not like she's a strong town read of mine, i just am not convinced that not looking obvtown is concrete (i disagree she even looked obvtown early on in that other game but whatever). maybe after sleep i'll read back over nancy and tell you what i think but atm i'm fine with numbers dude and titus being competing wagons for today

Well

You don't read her the way that makes it obvious then

Tbh my suspicion of numbers is actually dropping

UNVOTE: 123456789
VOTE: Titus

Now i wanna lynch Numbers the most after that post

Why

Why am I not even remotely shocked by Ank’s completely unsurprisingly 180 on this slot?

Please tell me Ank, why my vote shouldn’t be on you rn?

Why would my vote be on someone I have no chance of lynching at deadline?

???

Are you saying Titus has no chance of being lynched?

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Ah, that makes more sense.

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I make lots of sense, what are you talking about?

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sando seems town but i kind of want him to just stop talking about the setup altogether

Nah.

@Ankamius: Just to clarify here, you're suspicious of Titus, but *very* suspicious of ASDPI? Is that what I should conclude from everything you've been saying and where your vote is currently located?

Reading is helpful, guys

How does this go against the idea that you're pushing against your partner?

Why am I, Sando and Sakura, the only ones who can see what’s really going on here? . *smdh*

Maybe because you are scum and Sando and Sakura are idk?

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Is your town winrate abysmal as well?