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I honestly cant recall if its been since the start of the game or it started somewhere along the way, but its been at least a while now (month+?). You feel a bit like youre like.......Gamma Emerald light? what id imagine happened to a hyperactive cat if you pump it full of sedatives, but without it completely passing out.-
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And N4?In post 6426, NicoRobin wrote:
Poreksn, mastina and jjh are who I checked so far.In post 6417, THE MEME MEN wrote:
So why aren't you saying who visited no one?In post 6400, NicoRobin wrote:My claim is still what it was before, Conditional Tracker Conditional Triplevoter. All of my tracks got the result of 'visited no-one'.-
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Im surprised at this post though. Like, on very many attempts ive caught Nero to not be reading the game whatsoever.....but here he is, suddenly reminding all these little details about stuff that meme has claimed in the past, that even I had forgotten.In post 6451, Nero Cain wrote:IDK, I keep looking at this playerlist and it always comes down to the same ppl.
4) Nicorobin/2) Northsidegal
14) Vecna
18) Jingle
21) jjh927
I'm kind of willing to trust Meme here though they could certainly bus or setup chain mislynches. Their role seems complex? Like they double vote/parity cop and win any gladiate attempts? Would Meme claim to be able to win gladiates just to distance from thier team that has a gladiate?
I think I get where Firebringer is going WRT Ari but Idk. I'm also giving folks town cred for the Mastina votes yesterday. I mean yeah it could be a bus, idk. I'm letting night actions sort him.-
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Probably mainly suspicion. You constantly kept at a rather safe distance from the whole Mastina thing. You wanted her lynched, without -really- sticking your neck out for it, and the follow-up lines up quite nicely with how id imagine a scumteam to formulate a plan here.In post 6475, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you scum reading me?
Ofcourse, it might just be that youre partially correct and NR + one of jingle/jjh will flip scum here.......but it just feels wrong.
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Its a wrong assumption. Its a town Vecna learning from the past, and deciding not to get into this right now. Theres no point to it regardless. The way you constantly keep insisting im scum here though, feels wrong as well, but maybe its just because you dont have all the information.In post 6477, Nero Cain wrote:ok, I'm just going to assume this is scum Vecna backing down.-
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Yeah, I can totally jive with these reads.In post 6512, Shoshin wrote:If it's 6 mafia, then it's Nico, Invis, Nero, and one of Jingle, Gamma, or Lady Angel.-
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I defended Titus on day2 for 1 particular post. And my defense went as far as to state that I thought she was town. I was tunneling to get mastina dead untill my jailkeep (almost certainly) stopped the nightkill.In post 6517, Nero Cain wrote:
your top 2 town reads are the guy that passionately defended both scum and the other guy that wanted to use Masyina's role for 5 days and then bus her?In post 6495, Firebringer wrote:i am neighboring jingle for the rest of the game.
i am confident he is town.
if he dies i will neighbor probably vecna
probably nothing. I mean, you want to talk to fire b/c he's conftown. We had a conftowm before Fire that you never tried to work with. So I kinda agree with Fire in that in looks like you are buddying him but I'm not going to lynch you until we lynch the other 3 scum and the game is still going on.In post 6504, Shoshin wrote:I don't understand how this question helps you sort my alignment. What would my answer tell you about my alignment?
Why do you think I'm scum?
Ill agree with you im not at all sure that Jingle is a decent target here though.
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I 100% agree with this. If theres a scum in Jingle vs JJH, id pick Jingle every timeIn post 6534, northsidegal wrote:
his depth of thought. his investment into the game in the first place (i.e. it seems like he very much actually cares about winning which i think is less visible in his scumgames)In post 6531, Nero Cain wrote:Whats the rest?
i think all of his setup spec likely comes from town
i think his reasons for how he played around mastina and her role are all completely logical and reasonable for town!him to actually think whereas as scum i imagine his justification would've been worse
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i just don't think i'm ever wrong here. i really don't think JJH is a hard player to sort, so in some sense i'm a little surprised that there seems to be so much confusion (although i can understand it as just people being unfamilair with his scum play as well as having some aversion to meta, neither of which are true for me)-
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Are you really claiming your scum meta is different from your town meta? Because that scum game you had in Death note seemed like an exact carbon copy of how you always play as town.In post 6536, Nero Cain wrote:Well, I mean you're scum reading me so you don't seem all that great at meta. idk. I think its plenty possible that he hard defends Mastina.-
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There were plenty of memorable things id say. I feel if JJH actually is scum here, he deserves some reward, because itll have been the best scum performance ive ever witnessed.In post 6547, Nero Cain wrote:I mean sure. Like its equally plausible that he's wrong town and scum that hard defended his buddy. You could argue he's null. At some point i need to re iso him b/c I can't remember anything he's done besides defend Mastina.-
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The only doubt that I have; Why would RC design a limitation against Mastina's already really weird role. Its already extremely anti-scum, why make it so that it doesnt even work against the most overpowered town-role and makes her insta-lose, get lynched, and townclear that most OP townrole in the process. In a setup with a jailkeeper, bodyguard, babysitter, yada-yada.
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Explain? Something to do with the flavour of going to brazil?
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Guess this makes it highly unlikely that JJH + Aristo are scum togetherIn post 6664, Aristophanes wrote:Someone will have to fill me in on what these yellow votes are. I think O missed something.-
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Correct me if im wrong, but why are we assuming the pinball machine was repaired N4? Wouldnt it make more sense it was repaired N3 so that it could actually be used by Meme N4?In post 6675, Jingle wrote:
You're not wrong.In post 6670, Creature wrote:I still say he looks better than nsg and Nico together
And it's possible that Vizzy wasn't killed in the night for inactivity because he'd presubmitted an action.
#fuckit
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Youre applying your logic in the wrong order though, thus resulting in the wrong outcome.In post 6701, Nero Cain wrote:
I very much disagree with this. 1. No way scum shot at Mastina b/c she was scum 2. I highly doubt Mastina would be the one that carries out the kills b/c her getting tracked/watch is a death sentence and mafia needed those no lynches she was giving ya'llIn post 6690, Jingle wrote:Vecna- Probably responsible for the missing kill N2. Possibly responsible for the missing kill tonight. Probably town.-
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I agree with you Nero, it did not make a lot of sense for mastina to make the kill. That was also why I was townreading her, starting straight after N2. You can follow my entire projectory of the read on the slot, and im sure itll match quite perfectly. But she did make the kill that night, and then they let someone else do it the night after. Either that, or scum did try to kill JJH and hes telling the truth, OR there is yet another unclaimed ability that fucked with the scumkill. My money is on Mastina doing the kill. -Maybe- even because they theorycrafted a jailkeeper is a possibility, which would make it look like her slot really is town, and she got protected from the NK. That would involve quite a bit of foresight, and luck.....but its possible.In post 6726, Nero Cain wrote:
We'll just have to agree to disagree b/c Mastina doesn't make the most sense to me. I mean certainly yeah mastina could carry out the kill b/c she and her team decided to make her expendable but I think conventional wisdom suggests that a mafia team will send one with much less heat on them.In post 6719, Jingle wrote:The fact that mastina making the kill makes perfect sense to me-
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Or maybe......hidden town jailkeeper that does not want to give scum incentive to kill him?In post 6747, Nero Cain wrote:I'm going to ignore Vecna's d1 b/c its pretty much meaningless nonsense though I will say that it's not impossible that he fake claims an PR or is even scum with a PR.
There's not a whole lot that pings me about Vecna. The defense of Titus is the first that comes to mind but him being wrong town is just as possible (and kinda what I expect ) I guess the next thing is how he treats Gamma. Like he sort of freaks out when Fire was going to give Wheme a gun to shoot Gamma and then he starts to argue a Fire/Gamma team.
Jingle v. Vecna gave me a SvS feeling.
scum that knows the gladiate on him fails?In post 4602, Vecna wrote:. Ill explain more about this later if its still required, but I doubt itll come to that.Gladiating me is a terrible idea
thought it was weird he dropped this.In post 5787, Vecna wrote:Also, still failing to take creature into account Nero. If Mastina is scum, its pretty much confirmed that creature is scum along with her
Like if you really cannot fathom why a jailkeeper does not want to get towncleared, while his role will have to die regardless for scum to have any shot at this game, youre really just trying to make the datapoints fit your narrative.
As for the creature thing......from a place without knowledge it was extremely obvious to think that if Mastina was scum she would be a normal gladiator, not a loyal or disloyal one. Because, you know, giving town townclears in the way she did was fucking weird.-
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Im townreading JJH. Thats....pretty much it. I guess I also feel slightly positive'ish about Shoshin.In post 6744, Nero Cain wrote:Vecna, who are you town reading?
I have minor minor townreads on Meme and NSG, but that is something that is only based on the parity result claimed (and because I suspect NR is about to scumflip).
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I dno.......because wifom? Look at Jingle's outlook on me if you do believe he is scum.In post 6754, Nero Cain wrote:
Did you say that and d2 or d3? You gotta understand though, in a game where scum are outted during a gladiate saying "oh nope, don't gladiate me" is going to be mildly suspicious. Your d1 PR/3x Jailkeeper doesn't make you confirmed town or anything.In post 6751, Vecna wrote:Or maybe......hidden town jailkeeper that does not want to give scum incentive to kill him?
you are claiming that you are out of shots. You are basically a glorified VT. Why would scum ever shoot you?In post 6751, Vecna wrote:while his role will have to die regardless for scum to have any shot at this game, youre really just trying to make the datapoints fit your narrative.
Regardless it doesnt matter. Ill be dead long before u have a shot at realistically lynching me. Look elsewhere. Honestly. Look elsewhere. Me being alive is clouding your judgement if youre town.-
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I honestly dont remember. I think at the time I thought gamma was likely scum. I still dont have a freaking clue about the slot. Pretty bad slot to give a gun to.In post 6755, Nero Cain wrote:
Wait, is this about Fire? ok yeah but I don't understand that as a response to "I guess the next thing is how he treats Gamma. Like he sort of freaks out when Fire was going to give Wheme a gun to shoot Gamma and then he starts to argue a Fire/Gamma team. " Walk me through it.In post 6751, Vecna wrote:while his role will have to die regardless for scum to have any shot at this game-
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No idea if this is one of the people I asked to replace the slot, but hurray.In post 6757, RadiantCowbells wrote:Profii replaces Adelbert Steiner.-
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If scum has a role that is inherently pro-town, why can town not have a role that is inherently pro-scum?In post 6775, Nero Cain wrote:
Well NSG has to be scum if Nico is town unless you think Meme is scum and just why? Like you are saying that RC makes a role that powers scum and I just don't think that's a thing. I could see Nico hyper bussing Mastin and mainly ignoring the rest of the game.In post 6761, Shoshin wrote:NSG's probably town, so it's likely Nico?
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The game appears to be full of duplicate shit so far.In post 6776, Nero Cain wrote:Am I the only one that's minorly suspicious that JJH's death proof is similar to Profi's role? Do you think that RC gives us two of those? Or is that too simplistic? Just like Chick and Jingle are both claimed vendors.
Duplicate music flavour (me & chick)
Duplicate rolecop (NR and whoever the fuck it is im forgetting?)
Duplicate fruit vendor shit (im drunk and just typing)
Duplicate role implicating shit about allignment (mastina/Meme)
Duplicate roles working together (Meme + invis)
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It wasnt. Hence im not hard-pushing you for it. Hence im also not hard-pushing Jingle or JJH for their treatment of the slot. I feel there is some inherent towny'ness in recognizing the potential townvalue and wanting to exploit it. Undoubtedly there is also a scumfucker (or two) just hiding in that, since scum would naturally want to bus Mastina's role.In post 6777, Nero Cain wrote:
Was our treatment all that different? I mean true, I'd look at her play and go "man she's scummy" and then I guess I'd kinda psych myself out into thinking she was a town role and let's be honest I was a little sympathetic if she was actually sick. You pretty much hard town read her b/c you believed you blocked scums kill to wanting her lynched and then were all like "oh I'm just annoyed with her, she's town though"In post 6478, Vecna wrote:You constantly kept at a rather safe distance from the whole Mastina thing. You wanted her lynched, without -really- sticking your neck out for it, and the follow-up lines up quite nicely with how id imagine a scumteam to formulate a plan here.
Regardless, I was also extremely suspicious of the role, combined with my own role. The stupid save just seemed to allign up too damn well. Sadly.-
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Just looking at this wiki entrance makes me believe the claim is total bullshiterino extrimo. Who was it that claimed it again. Alcohol prevents logical thoughts. Lets ksill>?
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\In post 6789, Lady Angel wrote:Essentially, I'm given a list of dreams (With names like "Dream of Happiness" or something) and on night 1 I can pick one. I'm not told what the dreams do, either. Depending on the dream, I can influence the game state passively without realizing it, although I haven't noticed anything whatsoever that could be attributed to the dream I had N1.
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YES.In post 6805, Creature wrote:
Me?In post 6804, Vecna wrote:Duplicate rolecop (NR and whoever the fuck it is im forgetting?)
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An even worse slot to give a gun toIn post 6815, Nero Cain wrote:
Well, you don't seem to really go in depth about why you are reading the way you do or how you feel about things. It seems like you've mostly thrown a hissy fit when I was scumreading you and thrown out some random unexplained reads. I mean there could be more but that's really what I remember.In post 6782, Shoshin wrote:I care about behaviors.
he also explicitly stated he would not have given a role like Mastina's to town. So the whole "RC does crazy things" feels like an excuse to keep paranoia alive.In post 6782, Shoshin wrote:Why are you trying to outguess what RC would do in his games? He likes to do wacky things, in case you haven't realized yet.
you should just ISO the living-Fire.In post 6784, profii wrote:So if any of yall dispute please speak up and I’ll go form my initial opinions
he (fire) was giving the gun to Wheme to SHOOT Gamma.In post 6800, Vecna wrote:Pretty bad slot to give a gun to.-
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Was I scumreading him though? Its a long time ago, but I think I was town or nullreading Gamma at that point? I dont think Ive ever had a (strong) scumread on the Gamma slot. Im still having trouble getting any real read on the slot, cant really imagine it was very different at the start. Maybe I should refresh my own memory.In post 6840, Nero Cain wrote:
What am I walking you through? All I know is Vecna was scum reading you and then when Fire was going to give Wheme a gun Vecna kinda freaked out. And I don't have a clue what you are doing.In post 6838, Gamma Emerald wrote:You.-
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In post 2276, Vecna wrote:
feels like a bad shot to meIn post 2252, WhemeStar wrote:
I’ll shoot gammaIn post 2192, Firebringer wrote:wait my role gives guns not allows me to shoot...
u troll rc.
I will give a gun to whoever promises to shoot gamma if he isn't lynched.
Yeah, this is what I said about the gun thing. I did not state any read whatsoever on GE before this happened. Not sure where youre getting that impression from.In post 2327, Vecna wrote:
yeah very smart since his pool of scumreads contains three of your townreadsIn post 2319, Firebringer wrote:wheme is the one i am giving a gun to btw.
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I do like these reasons for being susp of Shoshin btw.In post 6837, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5340, Shoshin wrote:You're positive Mastina is town? Why?
I'm also a little worried that these are the things scum say we they know their scumbuddy is getting misread.In post 5467, Shoshin wrote:Can you also explain why Mastina is town, jjh?
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Well, for instance because it would be illiciting a bannable offense, if that was your real goal?In post 6852, Shoshin wrote:
What's scummy about any of this?In post 6847, Vecna wrote:
I do like these reasons for being susp of Shoshin btw.In post 6837, Nero Cain wrote:In post 5340, Shoshin wrote:You're positive Mastina is town? Why?
I'm also a little worried that these are the things scum say we they know their scumbuddy is getting misread.In post 5467, Shoshin wrote:Can you also explain why Mastina is town, jjh?
Also thought this was p scummy.In post 5439, Shoshin wrote:Are you town, Invis? If you're replacing out, at least do us one last favor and tell us your partners if you're scum?
Also, in terms of Invis, keep in mind that I had just finished playing a game with Invis where he, as town who knew the player at L-1 was town because he was INFORMED of that fact at the start of the game, quick hammered that townie. Now, think about that. If Invis is willing to turn on his town team like that, then why wouldn't I try getting him to turn on his scumteam?
Regardless, I didnt state that I agreed those things are scummy. I think that it likely shows that Nero actually tries to look into your reasoning for doing stuff. It hints at an analysis level deeper than just trying to look at superficial stuff others will agree with you looks scummy. He tries to find ways in which a scum shoshin is trying to gather towncred.-
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Im not trying to stoke anything about you. I stated I think Nero's logic there made him look slightly better. If you dont understand my reasoning, tough luck. Its my reasoning.In post 6857, Shoshin wrote:I think Nero's paranoia about my questions to jjh is understandable, as an emotional response, but that doesn't make them legit reasons to suspect me. Vecna's response looks bad, trying to stoke paranoia about me, and his follow-up feels like he's at a loss to explain what he was thinking in 6847.-
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Yeah or maybe she was just trying to get out of gladiating, period, because townclears,In post 6873, Jingle wrote:
mastina actively refused to lynch anyone who didn't get put to L-1.In post 6864, Creature wrote:mastina actively refused to gladiate players like NicoRobin.
She would have gladiated NR when NR was gladiate hammered or we would have lynched her (her being mastina).
There was a lot of pushback to a NR gladiate (including from me).
or perhaps she was stalling because all three options were scum (jingle/NR/Varsoon)
Or perhaps she was stalling because one of three was town, so she hoped that person would surface with a little help from her team so VArsoon didnt have to use the ability yet.
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That kill dodgy thing does kind of look weird on JJH though. Deathproof, resurrection or w/e it was that was claimed, JK, babysitter, bodyguard. It really shouldnt all be on the townteamIn post 6876, Jingle wrote:
People haven't been voting her.In post 6869, profii wrote:What’s the argument for not speedlynching Nico then?
Basically, Nero/Shoshin/Vecna are trying to sort each other today when logic tells us they're all still going to be around tomorrow.
Also, you're also probably still going to be around tomorrow because your predecessor claimed some kill dodge-y mechanic and we have no reason to disbelieve that. Fire is also still probably going to be around tomorrow because we have hidden protective role(s) scum needs to hunt out still.
I'm of the opinion that we should end the day, let scum kill someone who they think is dangerous (I hope it's me!) and then try to figure out the other scum in the morning when we have more information and massclaim is probably optimal.-
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So why werent you suspicious of me moving Varsoon to the top in hindsight, with the ability usage, seeing how both varsoon and Mastina ended up being scum? Why no suspicion that it was a planned move?In post 6877, Jingle wrote:
She refused to gladiate me when I asked while at Hurt-2, yeah. She said she wouldn't gladiate anyone until a hammer was cast.In post 6875, Nero Cain wrote:but you guys, wasn't it actually Jingle that was leading Nico and she refused to gladiate BOTH Jingle and Nico?-
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Or like, on Meme? Especially if this flips scumIn post 6925, Nero Cain wrote:
Shouldn't you try to be more informed about the setup? You should always be sitting on Fire.In post 6921, Shoshin wrote:
Really? I haven't looked at the claims much. What's his role?In post 6918, Nero Cain wrote:You do know that Proffi has a role that doesn't die right?
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