I guess it mostly hinges on whether you believe G9 would've been corrected on his misunderstanding of the setup by his teammates. Or if he would've read the setup closer as scum.
For me, I think it probably does a lot more than other people might because it helps me understand where he's coming from a lot better.
I guess it mostly hinges on whether you believe G9 would've been corrected on his misunderstanding of the setup by his teammates. Or if he would've read the setup closer as scum.
For me, I think it probably does a lot more than other people might because it helps me understand where he's coming from a lot better.
This doesn't hold water for me because it could easily just be scum who didn't read the setup and his teammates were too lazy to correct him or just missed his mistake
okay maybe it's not a town slip in that it 100% confirms him as town
but I would argue it's more likely for town to not read the setup / know the setup as well than scum. I mean that was basically the whole argument behind the G1 "town slip"
In post 2337, Gentleman 9 wrote:i misunderstood the setup in that I thought each dance has exactly 1 vote phase... so there could be in total 2 executions at most :S
In post 2338, Gentleman 9 wrote:so i put a lot of emphasis on leaving as the key mechanism to get mafia...
In post 2649, Lady 5 wrote:What were the conclusions (if any) about G7’s thing for seals?
mostly that it doesn't really make sense in any scenario but that it probably doesn't clear me because it doesn't make sense in that scenario either
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Post #2655 (isolation #213) » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:51 am
Postby Lady 6 »
Lady 4, I've been meaning to ask you, and this was a long time ago so if you don't remember oh well, but is there a reason you weren't curious why Gent 7 found you "not as good?" Additionally, who were you hoping to pair with at this point in the game?
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Post #2759 (isolation #215) » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:41 pm
Postby Lady 6 »
I disagree that Lady 4 "came in and said G7 can die now"
She only turned against G7 once consensus was against him.
Spoiler:
In post 708, Lady 4 wrote:Actually Gent 2's ISO is actively bad I take back what I said about him being in the same pool at G7
In post 811, Lady 4 wrote:I'll agree with the consensus that G2 or G7 should be left out. I Lena more towards G2 but honestly I don't think there's a huge difference.
I need to ISO some of the people I haven't been zoning on (like G6 and L5) but I feel that can wait until dance 1
In post 1367, Lady 7 wrote:I'd rather leave out G2.chad, since G7.monkey has the ability to toggle if he truly thinks this is some kind of shit posting phase.
G2 is going to continue to play exactly the way he has been so far which is sub par play that will make him leave the dance.
As far as alignments are concerned I don't particularly like either I guess, if someone talks to me about it I'd be willing to dive them more in depth.
My reads have been up and down a lot recently. The last list of green names I posted are the names I have reasonable confidence in to not rethink for at least a couple eliminations
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Post #2798 (isolation #226) » Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:18 pm
Postby Lady 6 »
In post 2793, Gentleman 6 wrote:I am hesitatingly surprised that we've had little to no inter-couple walkout fights in the thread. (I won't kinkshame what y'all do in your PTs)
they will start en masse if/when we get a lot of town flips
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Post #2827 (isolation #230) » Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:38 pm
Postby Lady 6 »
I don't think we should move forward on any elimination before G3 pops in because he strongly town reads L4/G2 iirc and I'm interesting in what he has to say
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Post #2848 (isolation #232) » Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:46 pm
Postby Lady 6 »
In post 2844, Lady 7 wrote:We shouldn't pretend I am ignoring this grandiose scum case and am just sitting on my hands calling them town.
Their just isn't a scum case in the first place.
pedit: sorry I didn't vote with you.
the problem is, there isn't really a scum case on anyone in the first place (except maybe vaguely on g3 or l2?)
and I feel there won't be much more than that until eliminations happen
In post 2861, Lady 5 wrote:Hey, don’t want me to vote you, don’t tell me that you’re liable to vote for the wagon I want under pressure of being flipped
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Post #2897 (isolation #235) » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:15 pm
Postby Lady 6 »
In post 2889, Gentleman 9 wrote:i find it hard to believe that you would place a pair as your "favorite pair" if you don't townread one of the two.
on the motivation front? It's a strategy to just OwO the way through this game with a smitten partner, while being nice and friendly and happy with everyone to make it to endgame. this involves only weakly scumreading people who are under heat at the moment, which is something that I feel like you are doing. Now another explanation is that you are easily swayed by the excellent opinions by the participants of this ball, but your reads and posts themselves seem more consensus driven than any other player in the lobby
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Post #2933 (isolation #240) » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:03 pm
Postby Lady 6 »
In post 2931, Lady 3 wrote:I guess it's scumsided modding to let fakehammering influence when you post a VC but I don't see strong evidence that FakeGod did so here, he posts VCs around this time all time
like I'm all for criticizing FakeGod's actual weaknesses like being too lazy to responding to feedback he got about usernames in perfect masquerade and proceeding to precipitate his own mod errors in this game because of that
but he's mostly a good mod and I think he knows about impartiality and would think critically about letting fakehammers influence his VC schedule
I was kidding to be clear I don't actually think there was anything wrong with posting a VC there
I'm actually kinda glad he did because I find in general those types of reaction tests to be more confounding than anything
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Post #3060 (isolation #247) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:55 am
Postby Lady 6 »
In post 3053, Gentleman 2 wrote:I don't see why Gent 5 is being townread. It doesn't feel like he's trying to solve the game. I feel like Gent 5 and Gent 9 get townread for their verbose.
I'm not telling you to town read gent 5, although I do think you are off base about gent 9
although I'm afraid I don't think it's particularly scummy to be pushing a mislynch with 14 town and 2 scum alive
ok his agenda is to stay alive, cause few waves, and look town - the most basic scum agenda - but he isn't actually doing things town would do
he starts by saying he's gonna read through and analyze all the ladies in search of a G7 partner, then he picks a few posts from L1's iso, scum reads them, and just kinda stops there
his most recent pop ins (and in fact his whole ISO) are full of questions and posts that are honestly just kind of useless? It looks like he's posting and responding to stuff in order to post and respond to stuff, not because he actually has any interest in what the answer is going to be.
In post 2931, Lady 3 wrote:I guess it's scumsided modding to let fakehammering influence when you post a VC but I don't see strong evidence that FakeGod did so here, he posts VCs around this time all time
like I'm all for criticizing FakeGod's actual weaknesses like being too lazy to responding to feedback he got about usernames in perfect masquerade and proceeding to precipitate his own mod errors in this game because of that
but he's mostly a good mod and I think he knows about impartiality and would think critically about letting fakehammers influence his VC schedule
I think any mod would feel pressured to produce a prompt VC any time a hammer is suspected, which would explain away any “scumsided modding” arguments imo. Don’t know what you mean about precipitating mod errors
In post 2170, Lady 7 wrote:If the question is, does Lady 7 ever let a scum buddy die, I am not sure, it's all wifom because G7.vampire could have gone for a "big AtE" play and tell L4.Salad to bus him anyway in hopes of being an end game pair.
I am leaning town and I am not voting them as a result, but honestly I wouldn't be that suprised if Salad ended up being a werewolf or warlock.
In post 81, Lady 1 wrote:The part that makes Lady 7 townie to me isn't the fact that she faked a townslip it's that everyone was buying into it. Maybe a TMI that lady is town. The rest of the stuff is pretty basic that you could look up by seeing the other dance games.
I got left in pre dance last game so I'm sorry if I'm a little emotional today.
Is there a lot of this? I'd assume statements regarding who you were in the last game to be against the rules.
unsure why town really cares or worries about this
In post 2043, Gentleman 1 wrote:Also can someone answer my question about whether callbacks to the last anonymous dance are common?
I don't want to act like town can't have some fun or make posts that aren't game advancing. Town does quite a bit, but G1 has quite a volume of fluff compared to the other posts he's made. And when he does make game observations, they just seem milque-toast? His town reads are L7 and L5. And he scum reads L1. He's also shaded G4. He also seems perfectly happy with this level of understanding. Despite the wagon on Lady 4/Gent 2 ramping up, he's taken no interest in understanding it or offering an opinion on it. Like, I'd expect a townie to see the VC and at least be like "Okay guys what's the case on this pair?" but he's content to just post a few times about random stuff and then disappear, presumably waiting for the wagon to go through and then he can push more on G4 or something.
In post 1907, Lady 1 wrote:Wtf Gent 7 was a vampire who did that gimmic all game? I'm like, disappointed and surprised at the same time
This refers to the insistence on pairing with L6 right
How is that a not-scum gimmick? Like, wut *visible confusion*
I gut scum read this post but others may not agree
also, he claims he's still scum reading L1, but after his scum read he
In post 2071, Gentleman 1 wrote:Yeah actually that doesn’t read as any sort of recognizable agenda with that correction, still not a fan of the damage control but it’s probably not enough to substantiate a vote rn
backs off of it and gives himself an excuse not to vote. He's literally just floating around and he seems content to. "probably not enough to substantiate a vote rn" is a really weird thing for town to say especially at this stage in the game.
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Post #3069 (isolation #249) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:01 am
Postby Lady 6 »
In post 3064, Lady 7 wrote:I disagree with the notion he is trying to survive. I don't think he has even has the chance to get into the game and killing him after 3 IRL days for not being able to get into a game of this volume just seems ridiculous to me really
I'm not saying we should kill him immediately, notice I'm still voting for G2/L4
I'm still on board with getting rid of G2/L4 first since I rather think those slots must go
I'm particularly interested in getting G1's reads on G2/L4 and the wagon on them
I just woke up feeling particularly strongly about this read and wanted to see what other's thought
I am not even arguing he is town, I think we have insufficient information to make that call. And the posts of a struggling individual are always going to turn up "yucky"
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While I think this is true to an extent, I think there are scum!struggle posts and town!struggle posts.
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Post #3071 (isolation #251) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:03 am
Postby Lady 6 »
okay, that's fair. apologies if it seemed like I was pushing for your pair to go immediately. I just had a sudden realization there was pretty much nothing from that slot that resembled town to me and I wanted to make sure that was out there.
I do think there's a lot gained from letting G1 have more time to acclimated
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Post #3075 (isolation #252) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:10 am
Postby Lady 6 »
In post 3072, Lady 7 wrote:Personally when I struggle as scum I spew a wide range of reads, I end up looking like a buffoon and die as a result because they are all bad consensus reads I can't explain.
As town I sit on my hands and say "fuck everyone I don't know what I am doing and you can't force me to make reads".
I think I can argue a case to defend him within the range of everyone, but from my personal experiences I am leaning town because he strikes me as being similar to my town game then my scum game. But I don't think I can impose reads based on my own play style on other people so you can ignore this post if you want. It's really just a wordy gut town read.
yeah I can see this angle
personally because I already kind of have an idea of what I'm looking for if the G2/L4 pair flips scum, I started thinking about if it's T/T, and I think G1 fits the bill of someone standing off to the side waiting for the wagon to happen. The wagon itself is stagnant perhaps because scum are in a fragile enough position they don't want to risk dirtying themselves to much with it, but also don't want to push elsewhere because they hope it goes through.
Of course, G1 isn't necessarily the only slot that fits that bill. I just thought he fit that footprint especially well. Also, it's pretty moot if this wagon flips red imo.
In post 3153, Gentleman 8 wrote:hey mr gentleman 1, could you talk a bit about your thoughts on gentleman 2 and lady 4, and maybe talk a bit more about why you think lady 1 is the most likely to be scum?
I don’t really have any strong thoughts on that post yet, all my solid reads so far have been formed by ISO reading. As for why L1 is my strongest scumread, she’s almost my only scumread, my only other person I’ve really suspected being G4, however the fact that I came back to that read after wavering tells me that is the right read on her
Gentleman 2 and Lady 4 are a bit of a hot topic right now