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Town.In post 23, TheGoldenParadox wrote:VOTE: morning mage imagine not posting on your hydra! gotta be a scumslip <3
Town?
It might be standard play but I still think you're scum from it, anyway.In post 9, Battle Mage wrote:anyone who suggests this is scummy, is wrong. it's standard play.-
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Town.
In post 35, DiamondSentinel wrote:Yes. I’m an alternate account for Barack Obama
Town?In post 42, Tayl0r Swift wrote:ahhhhhh im very confused here. morning is always to be townread, but BM is always to be scumread. now that theyre hydraing i think i have to townread them but hardpush them anyway.
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Oh in that case I am a mason tracker-inventor N2 doctor.In post 104, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Claim Miller Mason, Daycop, scum. - I sleep-
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Town.In post 208, Vecna wrote:Youre going to have some very very stiff competition buddy-
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Hot take: Vecna and Nero are both not scum but will be at each others' throats the majority of the game absolutelyIn post 228, Nero Cain wrote:
hot take: scum Vecna is upset that I was poo-pooing a Mage and DS wagons.In post 204, Vecna wrote:Lots of natural feeling early posting....right up until this tryhard fake sounding stuff.convincedthe other one is.-
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Can confirm; I know Nero's scum meta and this isn't it.In post 347, Morning Mage wrote:I *think* I read a Nero game where he was less emotional/aggressive and more on the sidelines. He was a 1-shot scum BP in that one. Someone in that game pointed out he played pretty distinctly different as scum. Makes me inclined to think he's on his town meta right now-
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Mostly due to you as scum contesting me on the claim and me being right in scumreading you.In post 381, Morning Mage wrote:
please dont do this, the last time you did this, the game ended up so horrible. #badmemoriesIn post 375, mastina wrote:Hi guys, I am a mason.-
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Hi, Menalque!In post 417, Menalque wrote:Hi mastina
I don't have any real scumreads tho I'll probably give a gut-shot-in-the-dark-basically-rvs-best-guess vote on Battle Mage, and by and large there's less slots that I have reads on than I'd prefer, but I think the game can get much closer to solved by townhunting here. Or in the case of some slots, a scumread on them by virtue of not having a townread on them.
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This is Nero's town meta, so no on that.In post 433, Menalque wrote:Feeling strongly that (norwee, A50, nero) is a strong starting point for the solve
I'll admit that I'm not absolutely sure Almost50's town but I do lean that way, too.
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Titus
Nero Cain
Vecna
samantha97
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Tayl0r Swift
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Locktown, Strong town, Weak town, Lean town, big fat ol' pile of dead-null (I realize this pool is too big, I want help in sorting that area), lean scum, and gut-shot-in-the-dark-basically-rvs-best-guess-at-scum-right-now.
VOTE: Morning Mage
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Quite possible, but I'd love to know the logic there since I don't see anything which makes their interactions definitively not scum-scum.In post 461, Nero Cain wrote:if ban hydras is scum then I don't think MM is going to be scum.-
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Because, gut.In post 466, Tayl0r Swift wrote:mastina this is jjh's only real post (the other one was a greeting). how can you be so confident in jjh town based on this?
She's my masonbuddy, obv.In post 472, DiamondSentinel wrote:Without ISOing, why do you townread Titus
With the exception of superbowl9, the locktown reads are 100% locktown, zero chance of ever being scum, ever. They are locked town because they are just not scum.In post 482, TheGoldenParadox wrote:@mastina, how sure are you in your d1 locktown reads? without playing with you/knowing your meta well, i have no idea what you mean by locktown here
This is, admittedly, largely from meta (and thus also why I say 'with the exception of superbowl9' above, who I've zero meta of). I know the ins and outs of Nero's towngame and scumgame and this is 100% his towngame and literally any player who has seen Nero as town and scum would be able to tell the same, he's literally one of the easiest players onsite to read. I am fairly extensively familiar with Vecna's towngame. I am, admittedly, less familiar with his scumgame, I have to confess, but this is also 100% a perfect match to what I know Vecna's towngame to be, so he's town, too.
The superbowl9 read comes from more or less a very strong overwhelming feeling of gut-town, basically, in thinking overwhelmingly, "I don't see scum doing this, especially not newbscum". That sort of audacity just radiates town to me. I don't have any familiarity with superbowl9, but it's just the sort of thing thatfeelstown. If I were to have a locktown read be wrong, it'd be this one, obviously, but I don't think it is wrong because I think that the call to locktown the slot is justified.
For the record, have no familiarity with Bell, but this series of posting did make me finally develop a lean on the slot, and it is thus:In post 486, Bell wrote:Yeah, sorry Nero, I'm not going to be attuned to this at all at the current pace.
4 games to follow.
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Er. That should read,
*With the exception of samantha.
Samantha's posts gave me overwhelmingly town vibes, the strong gut-town feeling of "I don't see scum doing this, especially not newbscum".
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Honestly, while Bell's posts were hard to peg down as town or scum either way, given my lack of familiarity for an indicator, my gun-to-head reading of Bell's posts was that, if I had to assign an alignment, scum, but I didn't have anything that really pinged me as truly scum-indicative until that series of posting.In post 495, Tayl0r Swift wrote:mastina i have some thoughts about bell. could you talk to me about what pinged you there so i can compare?
It was mostly 484 screaming being a scumpost (a post disproportionately likely to be made by a scum player, as in, a line that I don't think a town player would ever say), with 486 accentuating it by being another scumpost by excusing lack of content off of bullshit.
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Well, I just explained the Bell scumread.
The powerpuff girl hydra scumread comes mostly from feeling like, if they were town, that Ishouldbe townreading them...and yet, having an utter absence of a townread. They are one of the top-two posters in the game, as in, literally only one slot has more posts than them--plenty of content to sift through for getting a townread.
And yet.
I don't have one on them.
Everything they've done is a big ol' fat pile of null. Nothing that even remotely looks alignment-indicative. And while I realize that there is a lack of scumminess just as much as there is the lack of towniness, in a void, where both are absent, the alignment I'd expect is scum because if they were town I'd expect there to not be the void, I'd expect to have a read one way or another.
So basically, it's an "absence of evidence is evidence itself" sort of scumread.
For the Morning Mage hydra, it's largely similar, with a side of thinking that the Battle Mage from this game might be the same as the Battle Mage from my last game with him--basically, I'm not townreading the slot and I would expect to be townreading the top-poster in the game if they were town. But, this is explicitly not a strong read, because while Battle Mage's opener might've given me minor scumpings, it's not total deja vu, his game here doesn't seem like it's a perfect match to that scumgame, and overall it's not a strong scumread and has a significant chance of being wrong.
Heck, I'd probably call the Morning Mage scumread weaker than the Ban Hydras scumread. It's more or less a scumread for the sake of having a scumread, because in this game I should have five scumreads and right now even including all three, I'd have only three--but really, it's even worse than that; I have only one.
(I have one real scumread and what amounts to two rvs-tier-scumreads, when I need five real scumreads.)
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All the better to cement my townread on you, tho.In post 518, Vecna wrote:You really need to stop doing this lol. Everytime a few people will notice you locktown people that havent posted and then I just have to defend you for the rest of the game over that nonsense.
(Not really a joke, actually. When I pull stunts like readslists on players that haven't posted, it genuinelydoeshelp me get reads on players who know me, by their reactions to it and how they take it.)
I mean, the wall was meant to be about samantha97. I meant to say, "With the exception of samantha97, the locktown reads are 100% locktown, zero chance of ever being scum, ever. They are locked town because they are just not scum.In post 522, Vecna wrote:I like the thoughts on superbowl here actually. I think im going to sheep that read
This is, admittedly, largely from meta (and thus also why I say 'with the exception of samantha97' above, who I've zero meta of). [...] The samantha97 read comes from more or less a very strong overwhelming feeling of gut-town, basically, in thinking overwhelmingly, "I don't see scum doing this, especially not newbscum". That sort of audacity just radiates town to me. I don't have any familiarity with samantha97, but it's just the sort of thing that feels town. If I were to have a locktown read be wrong, it'd be this one, obviously, but I don't think it is wrong because I think that the call to locktown the slot is justified."
That is what I meant to say.
But not gonna lie.
While not to thelocktowntier I gave to samantha97.
I legitimately am convincing myself that itdoesapply to superbowl9. That superbowl9 is more or less doing the things I said above, too.-
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^In post 600, Titus wrote:It makes me town for today. Deal with it. Mastina and I know how to read each other.
I'd say that this isn't the April from our last game together where April was scum, but that means basically fuckall of anything given that it's FL and Flavor Leaf not appearing identical to a scumgame doesn't mean he's town.In post 563, Menalque wrote:
this is probably scum tbhIn post 510, April Ludgate wrote:Why, isn’t it little ol me, back from perry. Why you all look like a feathered whisper of a crew, a real hoot and a half.
Which is notably why April remains at a healthy null, in that while I'm sure I'll get a better read on April when FL does FL things, right now there's nothing to gauge there because there's no FL things.
Btw am liking Pickaxe Pete for town, too.In post 603, Pickaxe Pete wrote:I have such a hard time with Norwee. These two posts so close together show he's really thinking about the game I think or at least Mastina. But he hasn't omgussed yet, which worries me.
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Fun fact: readslists are something that people think I do as either alignment but which I actually have a strong tendency to, in general, not actually make them as scum.In post 676, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I do, and i'm tempted to vote there. But i was told they usually make reads lists like that, so i want to at least see what they have to say.In post 674, PlusJOYED wrote:why does no one else dislike mastina's list like I do?
No, really.
I kid you not.
Readslists are something that, as scum, I have a strong tendency to not make.
That doesn't mean that I don't make readslists as scum, of course. I do. But critically, I make themmuch, much less frequentlyand also far, far less formatted than I do when I'm town*. (As scum I might make an informal readslist of "these people are town, so scum are in these people", but it's not a reads LIST, as in, town to scum, top to bottom, LIST. I have made proper readslists as scum, but they arevery very rareand when I do make them, I update them with a much lower frequency than I do as town.)
Of course, it's an incredibly subtle thing, subtle enough that I doubt anyone other than me ever noticed it. And me being me, with me obviously aware of it, that means that it's not really a valid tell because obviously, me as scum knowing that I don't make readslists as scum, can make a readslist as scum for the towncred.
But legitimately, if you look at my towngames versus my scumgames in the last three years, youwillbe able to see a notable difference in how frequently I give readslists between alignments. Yet since that'd be thousands of pages' worth of reading material, nobody will ever look into that to verify it. Still, tho. It does make a neat piece of trivia!
*(By the way, the reason that I don't make readslists as often as scum and make them more as town is that readslists are a tool I use to sort my own thoughts out in the open. I need that less as scum for obvious reasons, but as town, making readslists is a way that lets me compare players and my feelings about them to help sort them into where I feel they should be. Just by organizing names into a list, I can get my thoughts more coherent and also am better at spotting things than I would be otherwise.)-
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Because I didn't get townpings from it at all.In post 688, Ban Hydras wrote: she usually locktown or strongly townreads my joking around though, so curious to hear the difference this time@mastina
Oh I imagine it is inviting people to kill her, but the people that she thinks will kill her don't operate using nooses, they use bullets.In post 692, Morning Mage wrote:
There is no way Titus writes this and doesn't think "Everyone is going to want to kill me after this." she's practically asking to be voted! i'm confused how to interpret it, other than noting this must just be how she tends to talk i suppose. Really confident even if it sounds super badIn post 600, Titus wrote:It makes me town for today. Deal with it. Mastina and I know how to read each other.
~Morning
For the record, can mostly vouch for this, with a caveat: FL has had lurker-scum-games where he was scum and was playing similarly to how April is now. (So basically, can vouch that 699 is accurate--incidentally, that is the first post from Ban Hydras I've seen that has made me think "this slot might be town", in that literally all posts before didn't give me town or scum vibes but this one post did give minor town vibes.)In post 696, April Ludgate wrote:I’d be posting way more if I were scum here, Menalque. Go check Animal U pick. I’ve read like nothing of this game. Bad time for me to have it start. I’m tryin to catch up.
Which is why I am more or less saying, not town yet, but also not scum yet, will get a better read when April does more FL things.-
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(For the record, in the last year or so, my scumgame has been utter garbage and I haven't been able to effort as scum at all. Dunno why, but it's just. Not had the magic. So, yes, as scum I've been largely worthless as a player and yes. As scum, I have not efforted/gamesolved at all, so yes, efforting a gamesolveIn post 703, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i feel like the potential benefit from a mastina scumflip today is massively outweighed by the drawbacks of flipping town!mastina, and in any case she seems to be making a concentrated effort to gamesolve, but i'm not sure if that's nai for her.isalignment-indicative to me, at least in the last year. You never know, maybe, mystically, magically, for some ungodly reason, this game randomly is the game where scumastina regains her moxie and becomes the menace of ol'. But it hasn't happened yet and you have my guarantee that it didn't happen this game. )
On that note: consider me pocketed because IIn post 717, TheGoldenParadox wrote:furthermore, your vote on me because i'm openly defending her implies that you either think i'm scum trying to pocket/defend a townie or we're scum together, implying the latter because apparently you also believe she is scum. want to elaborate on this a lil?amtownreading you now.-
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(For the record, push come to shove, if I had to sort April it would be town, but it's with the caveat that it's not a strong read because April's not doing anything that's strongly alignment-indicative. But I do get townvibes off of what little April is doing along with the contrast to established usual scumplay.)In post 757, April Ludgate wrote:This is what I do most games I’m scum in and Mastina is in the game.-
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It's not BoP tho.In post 797, superbowl9 wrote:This is just a long way of saying BoP
Burden of Proficiency requires Proficiency--competency, accuracy, whathaveyou.
You don't need to be proficient/accurate/competent in order for me to have a townread on you--you just need to do anything that makes me think you're town.
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Titus
Nero Cain
Vecna
samantha97
TheGoldenParadox
Menalque
Pickaxe Pete
jjh927
Almost50
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April Ludgate
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NorwegianboyEE
Christøpher
PlusJOYED
EchoVision
DrDolittle
Gamma Emerald
Morning Mage
Ban Hydras
Bell
Locktown, locktown-candidates (not quite locktown but very very strong townreads I'm considering bumping up to locktown), strong town, weak town, nulltown (with heavy ambivalence), dead-null, nullscum, ambivalent-nullscum (this might take some explaining, it's basically a category where when I think of them in one side they'd be above the nullscum as either null or even nulltown, but when I think of them on the other side they're below nullscum in lean scum and they do go between those extremes), and scum.-
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This is a perhaps better illustration of the readslist--Morning Mage and Ban Hydras in their townier moments are up there, Morning Mage and Ban Hydras in their less-townie moments are down there, and the read is highly ambivalent between the two extremes. (There's no middle ground. Just one, or the other.)In post 844, mastina wrote:Titus
Nero Cain
Vecna
samantha97
TheGoldenParadox
Menalque
Pickaxe Pete
jjh927
Almost50
Tayl0r Swift
April Ludgate
superbowl9
DiamondSentinel
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Ban Hydras)
Christøpher
PlusJOYED
EchoVision
DrDolittle
Gamma Emerald
(Morning Mage
Ban Hydras)
Bell
Locktown, locktown-candidates (not quite locktown but very very strong townreads I'm considering bumping up to locktown), strong town, weak town, nulltown (with heavy ambivalence), dead-null, nullscum, ambivalent-nullscum (this might take some explaining, it's basically a category where when I think of them in one side they'd be above the nullscum as either null or even nulltown, but when I think of them on the other side they're below nullscum in lean scum and they do go between those extremes), and scum.-
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I don't fake ignorance, but that doesn't mean scumastina can't be genuinely ignorant.In post 845, Bell wrote:As scum would you be above claiming set up ignorance for easy town points?
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Yes, there is an expectation that I should be townreading them.In post 849, superbowl9 wrote:But you have an expectation that you should be having a townread on them, that's the part you left out.
That expectation is not burden of proficiency, because burden of proficiency is an expectation of shown demonstrated competency/accuracy.
My expectation requires no skill, no competency, no accuracy.
Just the presence of being town.
I've only seen one post that gave me that feeling at all.
One postcanbe enough, sometimes, but one post can also be scum having made one good post among hundreds of not-as-good posts.
So I want more from them to better judge the slot and get a better read, if the one post was a fluke of them being scum and happening to briefly say something that looked town, or if the one post was just the first of many town posts to follow.-
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It does, actually, unless I have meta indicating to me that a lack of town/scum isn't a scum-indicator.In post 861, superbowl9 wrote:I don't understand why you have this expectation for only this slot though, if you're not BoPing shouldnt this apply to everyone
By default, given enough posts from a user and with no meta suggesting otherwise, a lack of a read one way or another would be a minor scum-indicator.-
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Oh heavens no.In post 865, Almost50 wrote:P.S. NOT EVEN if she rolls Vig, as -according to her- Vihilante is anti-Town and should always holster.
Vigilantes aren't anti-town.
ME getting a vigilante IS anti-town.
And, there is a caveat to me and Vig powers.
If I am in a "use it or lose it" situation with a vig, I will in fact use it.
If the vig is gated significantly, I will probably use it at least once.
If the game is on evens and I am fairly sure my vig is the only way to get to odds, I will use it.
If I need to prove that I have the vig power, then I will use it.
Generally speaking, that means that I actually will use a vig shot in quite a lot of cases--but only if one (or ideally, more) of the criteria above are met.
Otherwise, I will indeed holster because fuck giving me a vig, my townreads are always more accurate than my scumreads so I'm disproportionately likely to shoot town, making it an antitown role for ME to have.-
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I do seem to recall the last time Gamma did that, he was scum, so consider me in support of this. (I like my Bell vote more, but in spirit I am with you here and will happily switch.)In post 874, Almost50 wrote:VOTE: Gamma
Gamma has been on MS for 4.5 hours now. He made 47 public posts (the last if which was maybe 2 minutes ago) but is yet to even make an ego post in this game.-
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(Inb4 Bell-Gamma as part of the scumteam. )In post 876, Bell wrote:I wanna vote you for this.
But I feel so bad about misreading you and making an ass out of myself that I want to vote with you instead. :3-
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Because that'll be the number of scum in this game.In post 886, Tayl0r Swift wrote:why do you need 5 real scumreads?
It's too large for four scum but too small for six scum. schadd_'s MBOS games are heavily vanilla, utterly ruling out six scum, but while they may be heavily vanilla, I don't see a world in which the setup is balanced with only four scum; there needs to be a fifth.
Thus, I need five real scumreads.-
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I honestly don't remember.In post 892, Gamma Emerald wrote:Which game was this? I can meta dive you if you want but I'd rather hear from you.
^In post 929, Nero Cain wrote:made me want to lynch him so....IT DID!
VOTE: Gamma
Sheeping my masonbuddy.-
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PfffftIn post 977, Menalque wrote:Gamma I’m finally gonna guillotine you like a year later, I’m excited
Okay fuckit, Mena moves to locktown. <3-
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Absolutely.In post 1028, jjh927 wrote:Hey mastina, I was gonna vote Titus
Can you confirm once more your strong disagreement with this course of action
If you voted Titus I wouldn't instavote you because you're enough of a troll to vote locktown reads of mine even as town.
But if there were a gladiate between you and Titus, I would lynch you 200% of the time here. I wouldn't be happy doing it because I believe you're town--but in a contest between the townitude of you and Titus, Titus wins by a landslide. She's never getting lynched as long as I live.-
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Funny, my role is, like, the best imaginable that could be assigned to mastina.In post 1032, jjh927 wrote:Okay my role is like, the worst imaginable that could be assigned to jjh927-
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Not gonna lie.In post 1045, jjh927 wrote:When Mastina shows up at the same time as me I'll roleclaim and get to some serious discussion about which of the people who I've played with extensively decided to give me this role
I think people are interpreting "themes of the series" to be "theme of this game specifically".
Wherein I think that's mistaken, that they're being too literal, and that schadd_ meantacross all ten MBOS games.
I am of the belief that, no, not every role in this game was assigned by the scum to the town before roles were handed out.-
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Subject: mystery box of silver ten: titans of the votehouse LETSA GO
Like.schadd_ wrote:motifs of the series:
assignment of roles to town by mafia; heavy information to mafia; night actions being determined by events (e.g., two players are assigned to collaboratively use a doctor ability); normal roles or otherwise non-flashy roles; uncertain guilties vs. certain innocents; setup fake-outs; vanilla by any other name tastes just as sweet.
People are interpreting this to mean.
"Motifs of this game, mystery box of silver 10".
I interpreted it as "motifs of this series, mystery box of silver".-
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Yup, I see that.In post 1086, TheGoldenParadox wrote:plusjoyed is pinging me so hard
Not convinced in PlusJoyed being scum, but if I had to make a D1 solve, it'd be in the realms of,
{PlusJoyed, Bell, Gamma}, plus two of {maybe-maybe-MAYBE-Taylor, possibly-NorwegianBoyEE, potentially-Morning Mage, potentially-Ban Hydras}.
In the latter group of four, if I had to guess: probably one from the former two, and one from the latter two.
I'd have to reread the interactions of everyone from DiamondSentinel and below in my last readslist, in regards to each other, to find and reform a more exact solve. (Because there's also the chance the do-nothingers of Christopher and DDL could be scum. Also, EchoVision is a scum candidate, but not on the same tier as Plus/Bell/Gamma are.)
I feel like if I put a little more time into those sorts of interactions I can get close to a more exact solve.
Not gonna lie tho--today I wasn't actually feeling up to posting, but I realized I needed to in order to stay up to date in the game so I'm actually too tired to do that more refined searching.
I do feel like I'm on the right track, seeing the right idea, just need to hone in and perfect it when more of my mind is available.-
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For your hydra, 699 is the townier moment, tho there may be more in the more recent posting (too tired to sift through and judge more accurately).In post 1120, Ban Hydras wrote:What are those townier/less towny moments, I thought you said it was just all null?
The more scum moment is the lack of radiating town along with maybe who you're pressuring/defending/not pressuring/not defending. (Which, again, I need to look at in more detail, because I feel like I am on the right track to a solve, that I have honed in on the right area, it just needs to be refined and perfected, and you're one of the players that needs to be analyzed to see if you fit as more likely town or scum in a five-man scumteam unit.)-
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Ah, right, this would be another of the more townie posts.In post 1122, Ban Hydras wrote:
This is very reasonable.In post 991, Ban Hydras wrote:Tempted to say we should unironically quicklaunch Gamma. Him ignoring my vote or Nero's declaration that he's scum while catching up is also scum-indicative.
Also, don't get scared by how quickly the wagon is growing. Scum are gonna want the sweet sweet buscred for this.
~Buttercup
-Blossom
Regardless of Gamma's alignment, actually (Gamma flipping town doesn't make the post look less town to me, but--see rest of sentence), and probably something that indicates not-SvS with Gamma.-
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This does make me feel better about DiamondSentinel, tho.In post 1125, DiamondSentinel wrote:
BH - The constant flippancy between the heads screams of an attempt to keep people from getting a coherent read, which is itself a read.In post 1116, Titus wrote:@Diamond, Talk to me about your BH and superbowl9 scumreads.
Superbowl - Oh gosh, where to start. The constant proclamations that they're town (no really, trust them on this). Town never have to say that they're town. It's implied in what they say and how they say it. A complete lack of any transparency about their thought process. The only thing remotely towny about them is their insistence on gutreads, but given that that's about all they've done, that's deserving of a policy elim just the same. (note that my desire to remove them is not policy. It is genuine scumread. I'm saying the only thing town-like of them deserves a policy)
So like.
Where I'm at is basically.
Titus
Nero Cain
Vecna
Menalque
samantha97
TheGoldenParadox
jjh927
superbowl9
Pickaxe Pete
Almost50
DiamondSentinel
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April Ludgate
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EchoVision
DrDolittle
(Morning Mage, NorwegianboyEE*, Tayl0r Swift*)
PlusJOYED
Gamma Emerald
Bell
Locktown, locktown-candidates, strong-town, tentative-town, dead-null, final two scum candidates, scumread, strong scumreads.
*Notably, neither of these two on their own would be pinging me and in a void I'd think both to be town, but given the interactions I remember with them and those around/below them in the readslist, with who they are pressuring/defending/not pressuring/not defending, to my memory that makes them scum candidates because it feels like possible-scumbuddy stuff.-
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I'm pretty sure superbowl is town here--I disagree with a lot of superbowl's reads and takes, but I genuinely just ~feel~ like they come from town.In post 1157, Menalque wrote:
I know I’m late but how does (superbowl, plus, gamma, Taylor) sound as a starting pointIn post 1110, Ban Hydras wrote:If you don't have a solve by the time I've reached page 40 then you go down in my estimate from 'probably a good' to 'all smoke & ego - not worth listening to'. This is going to be interesting to see.
Now, for the other three there--definitely got my backing there as I am seeing similar and looking in the same place.
(So basically, if you subbed superbowl out and placed Bell in, you'd be pretty much almost exactly where I am at.)-
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(For the record, this is more of the :townvibes: I was wanting to see, so, yes, I am indeed feeling much better about Ban Hydras right now--probably need to move them up into 'town' from their position in 'tentative town'. Not to the 'strong town' category, but I think they deserve at least more than a 'tentative'.)In post 1184, Ban Hydras wrote:Good call. We should probably discuss nightkills in there, Blossom.
~Buttercup-
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Where green = locktown, blue = strong town, cyan = town, white = tentative town, gray = dead null, yellow = possible scum, orange = scum, red = strong scum.In post 1210, schadd_ wrote:Gamma Emerald(8):Almost50,Ban Hydras,Nero Cain,Pickaxe Pete,Menalque, Titus, superbowl9,NorwegianboyEE
Ban Hydras(3):PlusJOYED,DiamondSentinel,Christøpher
Take a guess as to which wagon I think is on scum and driven by town, and which wagon I think is on town and driven by scum.-
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I have an alternative take.In post 1229, Almost50 wrote:
VOTE: NorweeIn post 1061, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I see this is the coolkid wagon.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
I don't highly scumread Gamma, but they haven't really towntold.
Opportunistic wagon hop on a likely town + disclaimer = scumtell. Discuss
You're dead on the money on the opportunistic hop-on with the disclaimer being a scum indicator.
My thought is that it is an awkward attempt at forcing a bus on a scumbuddy tho.-
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(This does add fuel to my fire in thinking that Plus-Gamma-Bell-Norwegian-MorningMage has a reasonably high chance of containing at least 3, probably at least four, scum. Maybe not all five are scum, heck maybe two are town, but I do think that those five names contain a minimum of 3 scum, probably more, right now.)In post 1232, PlusJOYED wrote:im null on norwee atm. My attention has been kinda focused elsewhere; I'm not even gonna try to pay attention to every single slot. that's the problem with a huge plist.
I prefer a power puff elim over battle mage elim. I actually want a hydra elim today though.-
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Oh they do, and since I kinda feel like uniting my townbloc and getting to the honing in/refining process by using them as sounding boards, I do need to give that more in-depth thorough readslist. Not today (I'm actually borderline-delirious right now, I dunno why but I feel lightheaded, kinda dizzy, in spite of being well-hydrated and well-rested and having stayed on top of taking vitamins and not being stomach-churningly hungry, so I'm not up to it in the moment), but I feel like I'm ~in the zone~, and just need some help from the towncore to perfect it.In post 1265, DrDolittle wrote:I don't like Mastina's intro - I'd hope her reads includes a bit more nuance than what is represented.
The game feels close to locked, I just need to push it over the edge and will give the extended extensive version of the readslist when I am physically able to do so. (Hopefully, tomorrow, with luck at least.)-
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I seem to recall you and Flavor Leaf/Boonskiies/thisdudehasliterallydozensofaltschooseanameofhisofyourpreference have rather extensive history together and know each other extremely well--so yes, you absolutely should. April Ludgate is a public alt of Flavor Leaf/Boonskiies.In post 1270, DrDolittle wrote:is april someone i should be aware of?-
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Townbin it is.In post 1338, jjh927 wrote:Anyway so I'm ascetic
(I realize schadd_ can and has made scum ascetics.
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If you're town--I've never played with you before and have absolutely zero gauge on what is town or scum from you, so rely on more generic standards, and by those standards, a lot of your play in the middle of your iso looks like scumplay and your early play if I had to give a gun-to-head reading of would've been scum (tho I admit that if given the option, your early play I'd categorize as null).In post 1342, Bell wrote:Mastina why are you so bad at reading me if you’re town?
Admittedly, your most recent posting has thrown that into doubt because by those same generic standards, your more recent posting doesn't look like scum.
So I'm not quite sure where to sort you right now, and I'll fully own up to that.-
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Titus
Nero Cain
Vecna
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Ban Hydras
DiamondSentinel
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Locktown, locktown-candidate, strong-town, town, tentative-town, dead-null, final three scum candidates, scumread, strong scumread.
Updated readslist.
I promise, when able to I will explain these as best as I can.-
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Well let me put it this way.In post 1378, Morning Mage wrote:As scum, how easily do you find it faking this kind of fire to solve the game?
~Morning
Including alts of mine, I don't think I've ever faked it more than five times across what has to have been over 100 scumgames, maybe over 200 scumgames at this point.
That is to say. I vaguely think that, at some points in my mafiascum scum career on some accounts, maybe I managed to fake this gamesolving fire before, it seems like something I might've managed to have done before.
But in general?
By and large, generally speaking?
Those games, if they even exist, are the exception to the rule that, no, as scum, I don't really fake gamesolving fire*, because doing so would be incredibly hard for me to manage. (Heck, if I've done it before at all as scum, it probably involved a bus, because I legit don't think I could've done it while fingering exclusively town.)
*(Should be noted: multiball doesn't count, because as scum if I can genuinely scumhunt by searching for the other scumteam, I will have legit genuine gamesolving fire, but that goes basically without saying. In a singleball game, scumastina doesn't have that ability to fake a gamesolving fire.)
On a scale of 1-10 where 1 is "it's incredibly easy to fake a gamesolving fire" and 10 is "it's literally impossible to fake a gamesolving fire", this is a solid 9--not completely and entirely utterly impossible, but very close to.-
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Nah, I'm not a good enough scum player to have any scum role be the best role.In post 1401, Almost50 wrote:
Bullet-Proof Godfather??In post 1332, mastina wrote:
Funny, my role is, like, the best imaginable that could be assigned to mastina.In post 1032, jjh927 wrote:Okay my role is like, the worst imaginable that could be assigned to jjh927-
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General aura of towniness, basically. The things superbowl have done don't look like scum and many actually look town. The things he's saying, the places he's pushing, they look town to me because they don't look like scum at all and I just get strong town vibes from his posting.
I honestly don't get what superbowl has done that's led to people scumreading him, other than him having whacky reads/reasons--something that's not a scumtell and in fact I'd argue is a bit of a towntell.-
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I am the opposite of scum this game.In post 1417, Almost50 wrote:mastinadid it (albeit in more style as always) and coupled with her weird push on Gamma vs Norwee I am truly and utterly worried she might have rolled scum here
I am fairly certain you're town, now, given what I know about the game.
I'll admit tho--I don't exactly fully trust your claim. I just don't think you're scum for it, I am convinced you're town and probably legit are a miller at the very least. That is to say, I 100% believe you are town; I 99% believe you are a miller; I only 80% believe you're a mason, if that makes sense.-
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Not so, it absolutely is alignment-indicative because I've never done it as scum before.In post 1442, Ban Hydras wrote:mastina? She does it every game, it's completely NAI.-
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Given what I know about the setup, I have good reason to believe Almost50 is not faking this information and I believe is being truthful here.In post 1445, Almost50 wrote:I'll even give you one more bit of info: It does NOT return a "scum" result to an alignment Cop. Instead, it returns a 3P result. I won;t tell you the "full" name of the PT, but it starts with "Goliath". The rest I won't reveal for "reasons"