BooneyToonz XV: Dance of the Dark Fairy [Third Moonlight]

[RCEnigma]

Man....I feel like everyone but chromium is scum here
VOTE: sequence

[RCEnigma]

Bell are you free from scum hell?

Yes.

*sigh* that sucked.

@Rcenigma: Cool, why?

-Bell.

Why vote you? Why do I like chromium? Why do I think less of everyone else? Gotta be specific.

[RCEnigma]

Bell are you free from scum hell?

Yes.

*sigh* that sucked.

@Rcenigma: Cool, why?

-Bell.

Why vote you? Why do I like chromium? Why do I think less of everyone else? Gotta be specific.

Why do you think everyone but Chromium so far is scummy?

-Bell.

Chromium had the only slightly townish post I read through 2 pages.

[RCEnigma]

all I'm reading from this is that lunar and chromium aren't mythical creatures

I like this take though. Chromium don't make me look bad.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: RCEnigma
what creature are you

I'm a horse.

[RCEnigma]

One could say I live in a haven of sorts.

[RCEnigma]

Bell are you free from scum hell?

Yes.

*sigh* that sucked.

@Rcenigma: Cool, why?

-Bell.

Why vote you? Why do I like chromium? Why do I think less of everyone else? Gotta be specific.

Why do you think everyone but Chromium so far is scummy?

-Bell.

Chromium had the only slightly townish post I read through 2 pages.

So you're saying that Toogoloo's miller claim was not townie, when that's pretty much the definition of the advised town play if you roll miller?
You're better than this.

-Bell.

Ok why can't scum toog claim miller?

[RCEnigma]

So you're saying that Toogoloo's miller claim was not townie, when that's pretty much the definition of the advised town play if you roll miller?
You're better than this.

-Bell.

Actually answer not needed. I think you're being purposely obtuse and if I wasn't voting you already, I would vote you so.

[RCEnigma]

*sigh*
If you could read Toog's response and think he's lying you're not good with tone.
But sure. Toog could be scum. Just explain why he would fake claim as miller person 1 when there might be other millers out there who would also claim and explain his mind set or at the least investigate itand you might almost be pretending to scum hunt.

We're a cat.

Do you want 1 scenario or multiple?

[RCEnigma]

I don't think boon gives safe claims.

[RCEnigma]

Samantha I'm the pegasus.

[RCEnigma]

*sigh*
If you could read Toog's response and think he's lying you're not good with tone.
But sure. Toog could be scum. Just explain why he would fake claim as miller person 1 when there might be other millers out there who would also claim and explain his mind set or at the least investigate itand you might almost be pretending to scum hunt.

We're a cat.

Do you want 1 scenario or multiple?

I don't know, do you care what Toogoloo's alignment is?

Not as much as you seem to right now?

[RCEnigma]

If you don't want to answer the flavor bit then don't. But don't argue why it's bad or good or so/so.

[RCEnigma]

Hey folks.
Hi Miller toog/scum toog.

Would you ever claim miller as scum?

-Bell.

This is probably scum
VOTE: sequence

Will read up l8r

Without any context this is town.

[RCEnigma]

Don't mod kill the IC.
For shame.

What was this in reference to? Who it was directed to went over my head.

[RCEnigma]

The voices in my head think lunar is townish, I have my doubts. Time will tell.

[RCEnigma]

I have work in half an hour please post no more than 10 pages pls ty.

[RCEnigma]

I'll bet my wings sequence is mafia.

[RCEnigma]

It sucks to be caught so early sorry Bell

And this is a reference to xenoblade and smoke filled chamber.

Enigma, to my knowledge you aren't the best scum hunter, so why would you bet your valuable wings after the hair incident?

What hair incident?

[RCEnigma]

Everyone with a scum pt should be shaking in there boot right about now

-hehehehehe

I'm in a PT with scum if that counts. Semantics be as they are.

[RCEnigma]

Why vote you? Why do I like chromium? Why do I think less of everyone else? Gotta be specific.

Has this dude ever played with Bell or Ircher? If yes, he can be scum. If no, he'll be in the potato category until I finish sorting other people.

-Noraa!

No u.

[RCEnigma]

Also stop plagiarizing my reads sans lunar.

[RCEnigma]

Angel is bleedingly obvscum.

..I have class tomorrow at 9:30. I should get off...
~Ircher

Absolutely hating these two fake scum reading each other.

[RCEnigma]

*sigh*
If you could read Toog's response and think he's lying you're not good with tone.
But sure. Toog could be scum. Just explain why he would fake claim as miller person 1 when there might be other millers out there who would also claim and explain his mind set or at the least investigate itand you might almost be pretending to scum hunt.

We're a cat.

I didn't think this was that aggressive on first read-through but like, I only half read these posts anyway.
But regardless, here you're indicating a toog townread from the claim itself and not from toog. Which makes the following seem like pretty pointless posts.

Don't mod kill the IC.
For shame.

Other people seem eagerish.
ydrasse does indeed seem townish, but it's all tone. LT I think.

I dunno what to make of lunar pressure on Toogoloo. My approach was probably much more productive.

-Bell.

Also as a sidebar I like lunar a little bit more for sequences nitpicking on not being more productive than their own unproductive questioning.

@Bell: I don't think I've ever claimed Miller as Scum, but I have claimed Survivor.

Would you ever claim miller right out the gate like that as scum as your own idea as scum?

-bell

Hell no.

I'm far too passive of a player. I fully expect to be vigged if we have one.

Heck yeah! I thought so.
Thanks for being an IC this game Toog.

Fwiw I don't scumread toog and don't dislike him claiming miller but as always this is a boon game and there was a time boon really like informed roles.

I do dislike sequence buddying toog with the added caveat that I don't think it's role related (in regard to the why).

[RCEnigma]

Toog Miller claim obvtown. I actually just buy that they wouldn't bother as scum.
I like the Ascetic claim from Rei too. Bell also has this take and as of post 33 they can be town too. Thx guys for three really easy townreads early on

LOOOL yeah Dragon makes plenty of sense as Miller.
I think the responses to the claim spew town a lot as well. Sam and Bellhydra both just go 'well that's obvtown' which is exactly how I felt and I feel like scum would be more hesitant to do that.

Man....I feel like everyone but chromium is scum here
VOTE: sequence

In contrast, this is a totally backwards take and idk how to feel about it.

Got class rn so I'll read the rest later but this seems like a decent start lmao

I don't hate this even though we're on opposite ends and I don't scumlean you for the later part but I know I generally scumread your playstyle so, good luck to me on that.

That's more about bell, we agree on Samantha and I think we can agree Samantha seems the more organic of the two.

[RCEnigma]

bell surely you couldn't have done it again, right? surely your role pm is green this time?

~ rei

@samantha

[RCEnigma]

RCE have we played together other than that one cult game or Team Mafia 2020? Or are you just saying you tend to scumread people who post like I did there?
Fwiw Bellaphant and I thought you were obvtown in TM2020 so I'm hoping to channel that energy if you're town here.

And maybe a rep in game I don't remember the name of? Not the post specifically I meant you in a general sense so I'm not really up for sorting you early.

[RCEnigma]

I'm in a PT with scum if that counts. Semantics be as they are.

are you with chromium?

Yeah they're there.

[RCEnigma]

Samantha you have experience offsite? Followup question, if you're from mu do you have a link to a game you rolled scum AND had a PL familiar with you to some degree?

[RCEnigma]

Which hydra is a50?

[RCEnigma]

Disregard he's just a50.

[RCEnigma]

On one hand I think the sequence slot is just scum. But I won't lie I have a tiny little bit of hesitation hanging over me because as far as I know Ircher is praised for their scumgame and this doesn't feel like renowned scum.

On the other hand there is a real possibility scum!sequence is getting run up by scum that are looking to have their mind "changed".

I like angel doubling down but that's not enough for me to call you town yet. Say nice things about me first.

[RCEnigma]

What why aren't you voting me Dkkoba.
Did you roll scum?

You didn't show up in my hood for me to bully so maybe I should have voted you, although I didn't consider you because I forgot you were playing in this game -koba

all I'm reading from this is that lunar and chromium aren't mythical creatures

I like this take though. Chromium don't make me look bad.

alright i guess this is where i say like i legit wasn't sure if i was town at first until i reread the role pm and checked to see the wincon and didnt know if the hood im in is scumchat so like take that as u will. im notoriously bad at reading setup details.

These are the two posts that swung me chromium more likely town. Hardclaiming the hood without drawing attention back to it was +town and also, same regarding the role pm but I didn't know if text was colorcoded for creature flavor.

Dkkoba not wanting people to know they're in the hood with me made me sad though q.q

[RCEnigma]

ohh the role pm thing is a good catch that seems real

I don't know if the flavor + sample role were posted before role pms went out but I think it's more likely that a player is going to read their role pm before reading through the game.

[RCEnigma]

If toog is town, he actually needs to stfu and take some time to actually think. Because if this conversation continues, I'm not going to be excusing it as badtown.

-Noraa

If you're town and YOU misplayed YOUR gambit, it doesn't make toog bad.

[RCEnigma]

If you're town and YOU misplayed YOUR gambit, it doesn't make toog bad.

Yeah it kinda does. He's asking super easy questions that are fairly easy to answer.

-Noraa

Being abrasive just let's them come up with their own answers. Which isn't really their fault.

[RCEnigma]

Norway you roll scum?

[RCEnigma]

Angel, thoughts on cakes minus their take on Ircher?

[RCEnigma]

Waiting on someone to have a better cakes read. I think they're trying to pocket me and I'm not sure if I want it to happen yet or not.

[RCEnigma]

I can confirm RCE is very easy to pocket.

I can second this. I know exactly why as well but I can't really stop it.

[RCEnigma]

if Flea's post links don't work we gottem

I JUST SAID DONT POCKET ME YET!!!

[RCEnigma]

I'm gonna call you sassy Nancy.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Norwegian

*Still willing to push sequence through

[RCEnigma]

Fine q.q Norwee I'm voting you in spirit
VOTE: Sequence

[RCEnigma]

I don't find fault with the post it's just very straightforward thinking. Why is it so bad in your opinion?

[RCEnigma]

Sequence and Enigma have had the posts I've had the most difficulty parsing so far, which means they might be the best candidates to be Mafia. I'll wait to pass judgment on you, Chromium.

also bringing this unforgivably bad post back
this is the scummiest post in the thread

the post is just soooo awkwardly worded in the most bizarre way
"i cannot understand these people's posts therefore they could be scum"
like what??
why not just call them scummy?
why is not being able to parse their posts scummy?

Will let lunar have the opportunity to address this before I give my 2 cents.

[RCEnigma]

Same with mine, let's just fade sequence.

[RCEnigma]

Same with mine, let's just fade sequence.

for clarity, you're in a 2 person pt or 3+?

3+

How about yours?

[RCEnigma]

ok well someone has to be scum here and my SRs keep getting shot down

Who are your SRs again besides lunar?

-Noraa!

I thought Nyla, Chromium, Lunar, Rei and Asuka, Sequence all have looked scummy for different reasons
the first three have all been shut down by different people so it's getting annoying

I'm not oppose to R&A but with the caveat that sequence is flipped first. I'd have to dig again but when I was pulling up sequence posts there was something that made me think there was an anti associative regarding rei. But I don't remember off the top of my head.

[RCEnigma]

@rei and asuka, 2 person pt or 3+?

You scratch my back that's how this works.

[RCEnigma]

Dang there's a lotta neighborhoods.

-Noraa!

I been wondering for a while now - how damn weak is the scum team for town to have THIS much neg util O_o

-Noraa

Ty

[RCEnigma]

Pgo being banned doesn't mean anything. He's had day-ending dayvigs in games despite governors being banned. If boon wanted a pgo he'd just call it a 'reflexive vigilante' and it'd be like, *hits blunt* totally different, mannn

-A

This is a suspiciously town!Asuka thing of you to say.

[RCEnigma]

I think this ends worse for you than Sam tbh.

[RCEnigma]

@RCE
Fancy avatar mate.

@Dkkoba What is your take on the current wagon?

I was told my old one was too evil.

[RCEnigma]

You guys are throwing around a lot of names that aren't Sequence.

[RCEnigma]

I can't read cursive.

[RCEnigma]

This is a suspiciously town!Asuka thing of you to say.

I don't know what to make of this sentence. Is there a way you can expand on this thought without... uhh... idk, doing certain things?

-A

Hmm, I'll say I don't find you particularly townie except for the tone from that one specific post.

[RCEnigma]

Toog for today, maybe klick but I need to see more from them.

[RCEnigma]

Idk I'm checked out on toog after the miller claim, he'll be here tomorrow and it'll become more pressing. Are you keen on sorting the one slot guaranteed not to be the room today?

[RCEnigma]

Sorry I couldn't townhunt for you?

[RCEnigma]

But while we're talking toog what do you mean by 362 being structured scummy?

[RCEnigma]

Sorry I couldn't townhunt for you?

Apology accepted!

pedit:

I think it's kinda scummy when people do a vote and then add stuff after the vote, it's like one of those really little things that scum do more often than town in a nonrandom frequency

-A

Might be worth exploring later but I'm not sure I agree completely. It seems more like a stylistic choice.

[RCEnigma]

I can't imagine it being a conscious stylistic choice to vote first and then add reasons or forget to vote after adding a bunch of reasons etc.

Err that's not what happened. They voiced an opinion on angel, voted angel, and moved on to another topic. It just happened in the same post.

Which is consistent with toogs "I hate noise" stance. That's stylistic preference.

[RCEnigma]

It's my gut shot scum read. Didn't like the entrance, and not entirely sure why it's excused by many and hand waved away. Noraa posts are hard to parse, and I think mom has to come in and do damage control which isn't something a hydra should have to worry about. Activity mostly consists of "Sequence is scum guys!"

I dislike the vehement push on Sequence without casing them either. All I've seen is Ircher posting comparisons between games.

Town screw gambits all the time, sources say 62% of games have a failed town gambit in this statistic I made up.

That aside noras case boils down to:
1.)Irchers lack of interest in solving or reading slots
2.) Meta tone(Ircher)
3.)omgus discrediting (both heads)
4.) Hydra dissonance that is almost certainly intentional on the part of Ircher

On top of that for me was the Bell heads play around the miller claim which is what drew me initially but he's since abandoned that.

Also also the irony is not lost on me that the Ircher and bell only really agreed on voting me as their too scumread but only after Lunar got the ball rolling and a bunch of maybes popped up.

[RCEnigma]

Toog whats putting flea up in your town reads?

[RCEnigma]

I don't think TRing Toog or Angel is unpopular
The way Noraa blows up just makes it seem like she's a universal scum read or whatever when she's really not

Angel being townread isn't that common? The amount of people willing to push angel though likely makes them town.

[RCEnigma]

I didn't mind the prod on Norwee and was probably the towniest thing from the hydra so far.

[RCEnigma]

I didn't mind the prod on Norwee and was probably the towniest thing from the hydra so far.

who is this about?

-Henry

About Bell in response to angels last quote wall.

[RCEnigma]

Angel I think I've already asked you about cakes but how are you feeling about lunar and nyla?

[RCEnigma]

I say all of that to say that this setup is very likely in the same vein as that. Power roles used without solid information about the roles that are in the game are likely only going to help mafia here. Thanks to Titus' observation, we also know that PT groupings are linked to the flavor of creature you are. There is no way that only town would be placed in PTs, so I think it's likely that mafia are composed of 3~ creatures + 1 dark fairy. I don't know how many pts there are, but I think they'd be set up in a way to fake out town, e.g. one pt might have 0 mafia, another might have 2 mafia 1 town.

Without outing anyone there are at the moment at least 5 hoods with overlapping members.

[RCEnigma]

Sam! Extremely important. Is your role considered an investigative?

[RCEnigma]

Sam! Extremely important. Is your role considered an investigative?

no idea what you mean

I guess that's a question for boon.

[RCEnigma]

As of right now I'd recommend you target me and magical fairy minds their business.

[RCEnigma]

You realize that IF mafia have the inverted modifier or an ability related, they can easily fool you with this obvious a target.

[RCEnigma]

Town seems set up to ruin each other with prs.

[RCEnigma]

I don't really have meta with RCEnigma, but I do think this is in part due to Enigma's playstyle. More precisely, I think the low content volume and mystery vibe to his posting is a playstyle thing.

Name checks out to be fair. But accurate.

[RCEnigma]

If you think I'm being biased Cakez then expand on that thought

I don't say things just because I enjoy looking at myself post

The air here feels very thick, we might have different sensibilities

I don't think you're being biased but you keep making these airy vague statements that aren't progressing anything

The game feels very airy and vague! That's my frustration! I have nothing to really latch onto and I'm working with the bare minimum

What would help you actually sink your teeth into this game?

[RCEnigma]

Angel I think I've already asked you about cakes but how are you feeling about lunar and nyla?

Why those three in particular?

IF there was scum on the wagon it's one of lunar/nyla/cakes. I have my suspicion but I value my TRs input as well.

For the record I don't think sequence is town suddenly but it's not a wagon that's going through. But I did think that scum hopped on the sequence wagon and my first thought when sequence self voted was scum piled on to spook town away from the wagon.

[RCEnigma]

Ftr my pool rn is looking something like (Sequence, Lunar, Rei and Asuka, Koba, Nylaa, Titus, Flea, Norwe)
So it's too big now :/

Sequence, Rei&Asuka, Norwee, flea, Titus.

Don't think the REI/lunar thing is S/S.
Koba eh maybe but alllll the way at the end of the list.

[RCEnigma]

Gottem boys!

[RCEnigma]

Mathblade mathblade mathblade.

[RCEnigma]

Toog is unable to be elimmed today. Town that does not make.

[RCEnigma]

Is that setup confirm only Lunar?

I don't understand this question, so I'm going to say yes!

Is it only because of the miller claim/ Sam backing his claim?

[RCEnigma]

Did toog claim their creature?

[RCEnigma]

I can outfly a bullet it's cool.

[RCEnigma]

Oh, dragon. Gotchya. Dunno why that would do anything to make toog more town but fair.

[RCEnigma]

Ugggghhh ok

[RCEnigma]

I don't think boon gives safe claims.

If RC is scum, as they pinged me before this rings as scum don’t have fake claims. Which would make openly claiming flavor pretty bad imho.

Or I've played some boon games.

[RCEnigma]

I think motivation is a bad way to think about this game, you're gonna have scum faking motivation/post count here more than anything lol

Scum do scummy things because they have to, not because they want to. Motivation sorts itself out.

[RCEnigma]

I think motivation is a bad way to think about this game, you're gonna have scum faking motivation/post count here more than anything lol

Scum do scummy things because they have to, not because they want to. Motivation sorts itself out.

This feels like you proved my point or reworded my original thought

If the motivation of another slot is lining up with yours then...yeah I guess.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: flea

[RCEnigma]

So you do agree that Sequence appears to be:

A) Clueless about alignments
B) Actively trying to solve

GOOD

I was noting his focus on Toog so no.

[RCEnigma]

pedit: What if she's actually a mass hallucination, have you thought about that? Huh? Have you?

[RCEnigma]

In contrast I townread Chromium is actionable as that is an actual stance.

But not stating a read on them gives RC wiggle room and I think he is scum for it

That was a townread on chromium. It's even expanded on when pressed about it. You kinda have to... Well... Read the thread.

[RCEnigma]

I liked their opening and since them they have posted nothing objectionable
Yet I'm seeing a lot of people just plop them into their SRs

Because his opening that you liked was shit.

It had nothing discernible to go off of. “I scumread everyone but Chromium” when that isn’t viable and not getting closer is scummy. RCenigma does things. There’s no umph from them

Accurate,I also got the feeling that he was trying to independently fake hunt by voting us.
It kind of felt like he felt naked without voting somebody.

Also their invite for Sam to visit them is something I've seen scum do before.
(though also, to no avail).

-Bell.

Then this will go poorly for me and there is nothing to worry about.

[RCEnigma]

Fwiw now that math is here I want to vote him more than sequence which probably makes them town so I've been told by people better at mafia than me.

[RCEnigma]

Fwiw now that math is here I want to vote him more than sequence which probably makes them town so I've been told by people better at mafia than me.

Who in this game is a better scum hunter than you?

-Bell.

Not in this game. The only meta I have with math is tm2020. So SS/FL/ and jingle

But if I had to guess who is a better scumhunter than me in this game? Everybody is above me except the people on my wagon currently.

[RCEnigma]

I literally told you what I meant.

[RCEnigma]

I literally told you what I meant.

No I got it.
But you basically said,
that because you think mathblade is scummy on replace in, this means they're town because people you respect told you when you did something like this in te past you were wrong to jump on the new person that came in when the old person you were voting was sum.

This doesn't explain why you feel mathblade is scummy, while justifying you staying on your vote of us which is 1) wrong. and 2) a very convoluted way of saying you're not going to do anything.

-Bell.

I'm not even voting you.

[RCEnigma]

I literally told you what I meant.

No I got it.
But you basically said,
that because you think mathblade is scummy on replace in, this means they're town because people you respect told you when you did something like this in te past you were wrong to jump on the new person that came in when the old person you were voting was sum.

This doesn't explain why you feel mathblade is scummy, while justifying you staying on your vote of us which is 1) wrong. and 2) a very convoluted way of saying you're not going to do anything.

-Bell.

Math has this way of egoloading his posts not dissimilar to RC (sorry for that comparison) that instantly biases me. I also feel like what Math latches on to tend to be super minor things that really have no consequence to the game. I feel like he's doing that here, he was on the right track with the macro questioning (e.g. questioning the why concerning your initial wagon and the large shift to the Norwee vs RCE wagons) but he kind of went off the rails.

I'm not comparing his rep in to another rep in I'm comparing his play to his play in Team Mafia where I had the exact same vibe, especially about his early play (It was worse there than it is here to be fair).

I'll do nothing if that's the thing I want to do.

[RCEnigma]

So you're saying that you scum read those that come off arrogantly. That you tend to think scum make mountains out of molehills.

I think you missed a spot where there was a henry wagon. I'm not quite sure what the right track is or how you'd identify it.

I have no issue with you deciding to do nothing if that's what you want to do.

-Bell.

Yes.

[RCEnigma]

Isn't it frustrating when other players don't see what you see?

Can I just... Poof them or something?

[RCEnigma]

They are all worded differently, but it amounts to "damn everyone is already scummy af" and it comes from town more often than scum

This imho is false.
Scum tend to be much more fence sitty than town and posts like that are fencesitting

Brush up on those buzzwords.

[RCEnigma]

I want a readlist from you too RCE

Will you settle for a super compressed version that isnt detailed yet?

If so my town is something like:
Angel, murder, cakes, Sam, brovert (super tentative)

Unwnd, toog, lunar are fringe slots that are kind of hinging on other reads being fleshed out

No read on nylaa

Dkkoba I thought was town early but there is some good stuff going on that brought him down a fair bit. Alisae being banned is making my read here suffer a lot which is unfortunate.

Scum:

One of sequence/Rei, flea, Titus

Which means I almost certainly have 1 scum in my townreads but I'm not spoiling the whole batch while hunting them down.

[RCEnigma]

I was sure I turned my town button on. That's a shame.

[RCEnigma]

In a micro or a macro sense?

[RCEnigma]

It's not a great vote. Math can I interest you in this shiny VOTE: Rei&Asuka vote?

[RCEnigma]

Yo Sam! If you were scum in a hypothetical version of this game, who are the slots you would push to elim and why?

Realistically.

[RCEnigma]

Definitely interested but you’re one of my scumreads RC.

That's fine, help me buss then.

[RCEnigma]

Oh that's interesting actually.

[RCEnigma]

Yo Sam! If you were scum in a hypothetical version of this game, who are the slots you would push to elim and why?

Realistically.

someone who didn't claim (cause the claims don't pose a threat to mafia from what I can tell) and was influential enough to be annoying later but not influential enough to be unlynchable

Would you say murdercat fits that criteria?

[RCEnigma]

RCE you're null but some part of me thinks you're town

Air out your frustrations towards me, I am a good listener

Probably because I'm town.

I don't have frustrations towards you, you're in the upper half of my reads and think you would make a poor elim today anyway. I'm still waiting on a thing.

Or do you mean game frustrations in general.

[RCEnigma]

Oh? Why so Sam?

[RCEnigma]

RCE you're null but some part of me thinks you're town

Air out your frustrations towards me, I am a good listener

Probably because I'm town.

I don't have frustrations towards you, you're in the upper half of my reads and think you would make a poor elim today anyway. I'm still waiting on a thing.

Or do you mean game frustrations in general.

What thing?

Yes frustrations in general if you want

If I talk about it then it won't happen, or not happen. I hope that makes sense, I don't really want to taint the outcome.

I think you and I are on the same page as far as wanting the day to end, I have the feeling you are a player that is more comfortable drawing from tangible information over what ifs and possibilities. It would probably benefit everyone.

Buuuuut everyone wants to be right which is cool, it's natural. I'd rather vote a scumread of mine but at this point I'll settle for anyone I'm not solid on so like gamma and below.

Also also, my hood isn't being very nice to me. I wasn't going to use the hood too much but still, I've got feelings.

[RCEnigma]

What is suntouched?

[RCEnigma]

I can sympathize with that unwnd.

Do you think math throwing his hood out is an attempt at garnering towncred facing a likely elim or just for the sake of transparency?

[RCEnigma]

am I missing something or do people think mafiacat is town only because of pt shenanigans

Oh and if it helps me, Lunar, Cat, and RA are all in a hood together. I said while starting off and getting feet wet I would consider them town and now that I am almost set up that was a stupid stupid mistake

[RCEnigma]

Here's where I am at

D1 PoE

Rei and Asuka [Ydrasse + Asuka]

Dkko

ba (Partial crossthrough means I would compromise there but I get some townfeels)

SirCa

kez

Titus
Samantha97
Toogeloo
Special BROv

ert Ops [Almost50 + Gamma Emerald]
Lunar Martian
Nylaathria
Flea The Magician

Sequen

ce [Ircher + Bell]
RCEnigma

Murd

ercat

Angel Warriors [Momrangel + Noraa]
MathBlade
Unwnd

Hmm, where are you at with Rei/lunar? I'm less interested in the empty slots.

For posterity, I think we can work together for a meaningful elim and maybe it helps sort each other. I think we're in similar headspaces. My main issue with your slot is entrance tone and the lack of pressure I'd expect coming from Titus hunting scum. This is more defensive Titus.

Plus no vca.

[RCEnigma]

Sam I'll level with you I think you're scum siding.

[RCEnigma]

Err, all your townreads are my townreads minus sequence.

Which is confusing because it seems like we really shouldn't have a mutual scumread between us but ? Here we are?

[RCEnigma]

UNVOTE: I'm actually not as confident in R&A as I was like 20 minutes ago. So maybe another avenue.

[RCEnigma]

I haven't pushed anywhere really, besides sequence early. I voted flea because they are within my poe and wanted to see where it went. I wasn't super satisfied when flea went, "ha pressure" and dipped out of the game but that fell apart too.

[RCEnigma]

if almost every player in the game is in a PT, solving scum in PTs is not really going to help

almost every player is not in a 4 player pt

There are players in multiple hoods. I'm not 100% down for hood poe as our main mode of hunting parameters day 1.

[RCEnigma]

The only outed slots are lunar/asuka/math/murdercat in one or

Myself/dkkoba in another

[RCEnigma]

Forgot that yeah.

[RCEnigma]

OK

R+A, RCEnigma, MURDERCAT, Myself, Sam, Titus, Angel Warriors, BROvert Ops, Lunar..? (Only here cause I feel they'd vote if I told them to)

I'm tired of this day. Stop letting this madness go on. If you're listed here let's talk compromise. I imagine some of you are even hesitant on others listed here. That's fine. D1 is not meant to drag out this goddamn long, so I'm gonna make this simple. Declare intent on

one

person you would lim today. That's it, no more no less. I don't care about the reason, but if can meet the amount of votes needed to lim someone then following that we start a wagon on them. I don't give a shit who at this point, and the reason (if your name is here) is because in some regard I townread you for D1 so you can go ahead and pat yourself on the back if you're fooling me for today.

Sequence for me.

[RCEnigma]

OK

R+A, RCEnigma, MURDERCAT, Myself, Sam, Titus, Angel Warriors, BROvert Ops, Lunar..? (Only here cause I feel they'd vote if I told them to)

I'm tired of this day. Stop letting this madness go on. If you're listed here let's talk compromise. I imagine some of you are even hesitant on others listed here. That's fine. D1 is not meant to drag out this goddamn long, so I'm gonna make this simple. Declare intent on

one

person you would lim today. That's it, no more no less. I don't care about the reason, but if can meet the amount of votes needed to lim someone then following that we start a wagon on them. I don't give a shit who at this point, and the reason (if your name is here) is because in some regard I townread you for D1 so you can go ahead and pat yourself on the back if you're fooling me for today.

Sequence for me.

Mine would be Gamma hydra but that's in your list so I'll go with Nylaa.

I could compromise on gamma. My reasoning for towning them is paper thin and old meta based.

[RCEnigma]

So sick of people this game going b-but the hood b-but the claim
WHO CARES

+1

[RCEnigma]

Koba Cakez RCEnigma who are you willing to vote out of Math/Nylaa

I already know R+A refuse to vote Nylaa

I think they're both bad votes but nylaa being elimmed probably hurts less disregarding any role claims between them.

[RCEnigma]

What's ur take like in nearly all worlds i see titus as scum rn

I think if titus is mafia rcenigma and murdercat each have a higher chance of being mafia

Why?

[RCEnigma]

OUR HOOD FAMILY IS FALLING APART!!!

[RCEnigma]

VC?

[RCEnigma]

LMFAO

ur next if this flips red<3

Yeah yeah sure whatever if your wagon gets to -1 I will hammer it scout's honor

ok buddy <3 . <3 and then u have to expalin why u voted me beyond "lol scummy" afterwards. the full thing.

When did this happen?

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Sequence see you guys on the other side.

[RCEnigma]

Unwnd I hope we end up being best buds this game.

[RCEnigma]

Cuz brovert's posts aren't bad like fleas

What's good about Brovert's posting?

Gamma was in your townleans recently, pretend I asked this to you.

[RCEnigma]

Cuz brovert's posts aren't bad like fleas

What's good about Brovert's posting?

Gamma was in your townleans recently, pretend I asked this to you.

You misinterpreted my PoE. It meant I got town feels at some point. Not that I currently leaned them town.

Semantics, it still means you liked *something* in their posting.

[RCEnigma]

Murdercat's vote pattern has been sheepy. I FoSed them and they then they immediately voted me.

I noticed Murder's vote shifted around a lot. Like it jumped from wagon to wagon to wagon and that was strange. Mom recently brought up a Bell/Ircher town possibility and to be frank, I hate it with a burning passion like I just DONT FUCKING SEE IT.

But if mom is right, I'm pretty certain murder is scum in that case.

The reason is that murder was fine with the bellircher wagon but wouldn't join when it was at its peak but then later when it seemed like the wagon was kinda fading off, murder jumped straight back on.

-Noraa

I don't think it was murder specifically but I did notice that there was a lot more "willingness" to vote for sequence AFTER their wagon died.

[RCEnigma]

It wasn't about you.

[RCEnigma]

RCE are u satisfied with how titus replied to ur poke about their logical inconsistency?

No but I'm trusting the judgement of math + angel there, for today at least.

It's a note I can use for later and it would be pretty telling for their alignments as well if Titus flips red down the line.

[RCEnigma]

Hmm, I say that but I can't shake that Titus!scum feeling™

[RCEnigma]

yeah im like 100% sure that hoods were part of the rand wrt whos in what hood so there can be 3+ scum hoods and 0 scum hoods even in the bigger ones. the way i approach hoods is to either -> trust the person, or distrust the person and i lean the latter in closed setups, and the former in open setups such as "meet me in the backrooms"

I mean my reads line up with Math and RCE being Mafia and everyone else in the big hoods that have been claimed being Town.

U wot m8????

[RCEnigma]

Luckily I still think there is a possibility Rei has been pocketing Lunar. In any other world and lunar is prob!scum.

[RCEnigma]

Lol I instantly take that back I think lunar is just lost town regardless of Rei.

[RCEnigma]

Who am I even voting right now? Lol

[RCEnigma]

There is no masonry stop screwing with people.

[RCEnigma]

Not only did she expose half the roles present this game, she outted a mason and voted them.

IDC about her alignment anymore, she feels like too much of a liability to town at this point

Pedit: Math is not flipping red

Please like.....don't fall for joke claims. Kinda need you for some sanity.

[RCEnigma]

Uhhhhh just know I'm dying inside.

[RCEnigma]

I need this day over VOTE: flea

[RCEnigma]

I am yes.

[RCEnigma]

Sure, without quotes though it's kind of a pain on mobile.

I only have experience with his town game but fits with how he's approaching this game minus how he handled his hood but that just might be because I'd take a different approach personally in their shoes I don't know.

His tendency to get hung up on minor details and harp on them is abrasive but not really scum. His spat with Sam literally boils down to disagreements on optimal play but does nothing to push that Sam is scum ultimately. Likewise with his head bumping with Angel.

But the big thing is the lack of a large agenda in lieu of a personal one. Like his pushes on Sam and Angel don't help his standing as the leading wagon on rep in and beyond. Plus he was not concerned with building a wagon to take heat off himself. My wagon wasn't gaining steam and Angel had 0 traction behind it.

Could he take that line as scum? Maybe sure. But there wasn't any help to build a counter wagon if he has active partners until (I don't really want to throw out a wrong name but to the best of my memory) (?)Cakes got a flash wagon started. Another wagon math had no interest in pushing forward.

[RCEnigma]

my townreads are being fcuking passive as shit/voting stupidly while the ppl in my PoE are running the show im absolutely fucking pissed at this gamestate and i need ppl to massively unfuck how they're approaching this game and realize that behavior that directly hurts town intentionally is behavior that typically comes from scum i dont give a fuck how you feel about hurr durr groupscum or whatever.

flea literally fucking softed a PR and now rceenignma KNOWS this bc they are in our PT and now they are voting fae like literally idgaf this dude is so terrible at the game or theyre scum and i hate saying that shit but its true

80% of the game has a power role. Scum has power roles. I have a power role. Ive sorted too, it does not matter as much as you think it does.

[RCEnigma]

He is math, in response to rei.

[RCEnigma]

Idc about Sam today.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not discrediting you at all. They went "oh no, now that the hood is out I can't do anything."

Flea has done 0 to advance the game in any way or make them readable in any capacity outside of minor setup spec in hood, which I don't care about anyway.

But point is they haven't done anything that makes me say huh, scum don't really do that.

[RCEnigma]

I forgot why playing on MS felt so awful, so the reminder is good at least thanks.

[RCEnigma]

I DONT, CARE, ABOUT SAM TODAY

[RCEnigma]

You only need to vote like 3 more people to say you caught the whole scumteam day 1, so grats on the scummy nom.

[RCEnigma]

I want a readlist from you too RCE

Will you settle for a super compressed version that isnt detailed yet?

If so my town is something like:
Angel, murder, cakes, Sam, brovert (super tentative)

Unwnd, toog, lunar are fringe slots that are kind of hinging on other reads being fleshed out

No read on nylaa

Dkkoba I thought was town early but there is some good stuff going on that brought him down a fair bit. Alisae being banned is making my read here suffer a lot which is unfortunate.

Scum:

One of sequence/Rei, flea, Titus

Which means I almost certainly have 1 scum in my townreads but I'm not spoiling the whole batch while hunting them down.

[RCEnigma]

Dk can be TI now though.

[RCEnigma]

thanks RCE. when was the last time you played with Math?

-A

Sorry I know you're in a different conversation right now but since a lot of your argument is meta this would help

-A

This was TM last year. So yeah not super strong but I think the game state play is the stronger part of the argument anyway.

[RCEnigma]

so literally nothing has changed in nearly 1000 posts?

I ate a cupcake since then.

[RCEnigma]

I highly doubt it right now. I just think he's seeing red and smoothbraining.

[RCEnigma]

RCENIGMA

are you trying to CC the mason claim with Sam?

It wouldn't be a direct cc but with my role I'd say it's unlikely to exist with 3 masons as well. Highly highly unlikely. And if they do coexist then scum has some insane power.

[RCEnigma]

1 - The spat with Samantha where he gets hung up over technical details, but does nothing to solve or push Samantha as scum for it is not a good thing. He's involving himself in an unproductive conversation that's easier for scum to make, and not one that's useful for ascertaining either his or Samantha's alignment.

2 - Math isn't stupid. He knows he isn't going to come in as leading wagon and be able to get by with coasting or safe takes. In order to improve his position, he needs to do something that'll be perceived as townie. Taking anti-concensus takes while in a precarious position is one way of doing that.
What's important is the underlying reasoning behind those takes and whether it's legitimate.

3 - As scum, it's unlikely his end goal is to simply build a direct counterwagon to get by. Assuming that person flips scum, he's in the exact same situation the nest day. He needs to remove the suspicion from him altogether, and that means doing townie things and trying to get townread. And if that means pushing a wagon that isn't a counter which gets no traction to appear non-survilastic? Sure as hell he's gonna do that.

I don't think any of these are good reasons to call him town.

1. Sure, but I can give credit for Math continuing to prod outside of his issues with Sam. Also would you agree that pushing against consensus and pushing a non survivalist "seeming" agenda conflict?

2. I mean.... Fair but no one else can say for certain Math only pushed angel solo so that his own wagon doesn't build up. This point could apply to anyone here.

3. It doesn't. Scum escaping an elim early grants more opportunities for a.) Their role to take effect 2.) The wifom from the night kill #) paranoia to take hold in town etc. Etc. Scum don't ditch partners unless they are dead in the water. They especially don't ditch strong day players unless the rest of the team is weak in standing or passive themselves.

I probably wouldn't be arguing any of this if Norwee was still in the game. I thought he was dancing around relevant events way too much but at the same time I've seen super lynchbait town!Norwee play similarly.

[RCEnigma]

They are trolling with the mason claim

I'm aware but it's been taken serious by more than one slot, that's dangerous.

[RCEnigma]

ok but his reads are literally stagnant despite new evidence like ??

i get like a few reads being the same. but the same reads for 1000 posts/?
like cmon

Now that I've given it some time I'll respond to your request for a readslist.

Being personally attacked tilted me, it's mafia whatever I'll deal with it.

Sorry for calling you a shitter btw.

math, angel, cakes, unwnd, Sam all town to varying degrees

Maybe town:

Dk- prob town playing 9-D hopscotch
Murdercat- I don't trust him enough to dogsit but I'd invite him to places with lots of people in attendance if that makes sense.

Could go either way:

Sequence- I'm moving to null, bell continues to give me the heebie jeebies but the last two Ircher walls had a few points that I either agreed with but hadn't stayed to the thread (showing some semblance of commonality) or I thought were interesting takes.
Toog- miller claim...eh. I could see Toog playing in the background and letting town squirm so he can stay null until dealt with

Would lynch any of:

Nyla, Rei, lunar- my too candidates for scum till they retract the mason claim. Without it lunar and nyla move to prob town and rei is lower null. Rei's expanded explanation of their nyla town read was townie and exactly the kind of behind the veil thinking I've been looking for from Asuka specifically but it still fit the overarching narrative that R&A hardpocketed nyla to WK them down the line. I did believe that R&A believed their nyla read fwiw.

Flea- I sympathize I do, RL gets in the way and I genuinely hope fae feels better. But they're taking my "what I say and do right now doesn't really matter" schtick and complaining that their role is nerfed now that people know our hood composition does not fit with that kind of confidence.their pop ins amount to a lot of "hey I'm here, didn't come to play though so bye" that doesn't quite sit well with me as either alignment.

Titus- I've gone a little back and forth with this. The two things that kept me from piling on Titus are angel/maths read there (but both spent some time calling me scum since so maybe that read isn't ALL that infallible) and Titus' reachout to flea regarding role mechanics after she outed the hood. I do believe she has a reason for the hoods to be outed but I'm not putting together why that would be. On the other hand I would expect Titus to A.) Ask for claimed role, claimed flavor, softed roles to be compiled in hood to walk through their course of action with or B.) To discuss in hood whether their(Titus) reasoning for outing the hood was more important than faes reasoning for maintaining the hoods secrecy.

I agree that there is likely scum in the hood to begin with but that doesn't erase a workaround or cover it as an excuse. Poor trajectory on the gamma slot as well shows a lack of critical analysis on the slots they are giving their vote to and that doesn't seem like a Titus move in general.

Brovert- idk honestly, the arguments against them are valid, Varsoon has used the same methods to catch me in the act before so I haven't just written them off as a slot that can coast this day out but it conflicts with my Titus!scum read. I think these two contain 1 scum at least though.

Is that everyone?

[RCEnigma]

Yeah, sorry that's confusing because they're a hydra. Brovert/Titus probably contains one.

[RCEnigma]

Rce why are you expecting certain things from my head?

-A

I've never played with Rei so if I'm going to get a read on your hydra it will be via you.

[RCEnigma]

Nyla, Rei, lunar- my too candidates for scum till they retract the mason claim. Without it lunar and nyla move to prob town and rei is lower null. Rei's expanded explanation of their nyla town read was townie and exactly the kind of behind the veil thinking I've been looking for from Asuka specifically but it still fit the overarching narrative that R&A hardpocketed nyla to WK them down the line. I did believe that R&A believed their nyla read fwiw.

That is a fantastic scum gambit. They never have a read on each other, they are all friendly towards each other in the game, reisuki never drops either one of them, and the other two don't respond to Reisuki having their backs. Reisuki hard defends Nyla for no reason and screams that she does not want Nyla to claim and then pages later Lunar says he's mason with Reisuki.

It's fucking suicide

If it just slid I probably wouldn't have a problem with it but people bit so.

[RCEnigma]

Uhh flea I can summarize your PT content in one post.

Hey cat you town? I'm town.
Maybe there are 3 pts of 5 or 2 pts of 5 and 1 of 6.
Pushing here, pushing there...
RC you're probably the scum here
And the hood is possibly negative utility for town. What I really meant is that hoods likely gate powers but, I digress.

You can call it shading all you want but it's not as jam packed with town pizazz as you think.

Also not arguing my PT posting is townie, I opted not to use the hood with potential scum in it.

[RCEnigma]

Thats a dishonest assessment of the pt content from flea

It's dishonest because you think I'm scum.

[RCEnigma]

I said these hoods would be negative utility and I was not wrong.

[RCEnigma]

It tells you I'm town when I flip, so that's something.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: sequence super angle shooty reasons that angel will know if they think about a bit.

[RCEnigma]

Err actually, that's not as solid as I thought it was.

[RCEnigma]

UNVOTE: the reasoning to believe angels claim is angle shooty but doesn't mean anything for sequences alignment, I take it back.

[RCEnigma]

B.) Is fair, it could be a fake claim. Only the variant part is sure.

C.) Also fair

[RCEnigma]

Sequence flipping scum however confirms 0 variants on the scum team, so that's something to keep in mind.

[RCEnigma]

For clarification you receive the factional ability or do you gift it to another player?

[RCEnigma]

Ah gotchya thank you.

[RCEnigma]

If Math+Angel are t/t then I think we all need a little time to reASSess this game.

Not all lol.

[RCEnigma]

Uhhhhh I super didn't wanna claim today.

[RCEnigma]

I am a conditional IC. When investigated (successful or failed) I will be able to activate this ability in my PT ONLY.

[RCEnigma]

I have an additional part to my ability that I would like to withhold until at least tomorrow.

[RCEnigma]

With that said I asked mod if a friendly neighbor would count as an investigative action or a miscellaneous one. The answer I got was that friendly neighbor itself is not an investigative role.

[RCEnigma]

I would have to full claim in detail for it all to make sense together. It feels like I have modifiers built in but none are specified in the role name itself.

[RCEnigma]

I am not a variant. That's all I can say on that.

Conditional is not in my role name, I'm considering being investigated as the condition for my activation.

[RCEnigma]

I am Innocent Child symbiotic

First stasis I have to choose a target to be linked to. If we are not aligned, all investigations will fail against me.

If either me or my link are targeted by an investigation, whether it fails or not, then I am told I can activate my IC ability within my PT. Only within my PT.

[RCEnigma]

Im assuming I can withhold the IC activation until I choose to reveal.

[RCEnigma]

Unwnd I hope we end up being best buds this game.

Softed my target here.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: RCEnigma
I don't think that fits the BooneyToonz ruleset. It would have to be considered a variant role.
~Ircher

I am the boon bank role.

[RCEnigma]

I'm specifically told in my role pm I am the boon bank role, which is why I was so sure on angel claiming they are the variant. I assume their role pm specifies it as variant.

[RCEnigma]

I don't pretend to know anything about the inner workings of boon games, but can't we have up to 3 boon bank roles, with a minimum of 1 and 2 variants?

Yes

[RCEnigma]

I'm specifically told in my role pm I am the boon bank role, which is why I was so sure on angel claiming they are the variant. I assume their role pm specifies it as variant.

In the last Booneytunes, I just knew I was the variant. No notice in the PM.

Pedit: The number of variants and Boonbank are in the intro posts.

I was scum renegade in one of the other boon games and I don't remember being specifically told I was a boon bank role in my role pm so this stuck out to me.

[RCEnigma]

If there are multiple boon bank roles then one is considered a variant.

[RCEnigma]

All cool I can go on another year hiatus cuz wow this was impossible to enjoy.

[RCEnigma]

Hmm, openly honest

Unwnd is a question mark, they would have been my choice to link since prob not a nk target, but definitely worth investigating.

Murdercat is brought up a ton but has never had any meaningful suspicion. If he's just town then look towards the shading slots, I think gamma off the top of my head but I don't remember.

Dkkoba town
Angel I'm less sure on with their flip regarding me.
REI and sequence are never scum together, I'll find the exact post but it had to do with the role pm color thing that happened early game.

Math prob town here.
I've melded a lot with sircakes but if I had to pick a sleeper scum in my townreads it would be there.

Sequence looks better than I've been giving them credit for but that's only on Irchers side and my impression of their scum game is that they are skilled enough to emulate town thoughts as scum.

Id sort specifically in Titus/Rei/sequence tomorrow if I had my way.

[RCEnigma]

All cool I can go on another year hiatus cuz wow this was impossible to enjoy.

Why haven't you had fun, specifically speaking?

Would you have disliked this as much if you were scum?

Towns a clusterfuck and attacking people instead of attacking gameplay will always ruin the game for me.

Yeah probably.

[RCEnigma]

If I die, eliminate Koba for the health of the game.

I can agree on this too tbh.