Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)
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Let me ask... do y'all really want to waste brainpower trying to sort me?
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A role.In post 31, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Apparently the stump needs to come up with town power roles too? Should we discuss that now?
I'm thinking either weak hider or bulletproof.
Weak Hider is better than cop, but a little trickier to play.
Bulletproof is usually a scummy claim to make, but if claimed on D1 in an open game it gives us confirmed town that mafia can't touch.-
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How many people pay as much as i?In post 49, Not_Mafia wrote:You all need to step up your game activity-wise, make me a stump as an active contributor-
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I'm sad that you forgot about me already.In post 71, Gamma Emerald wrote:the best point for making NM the stump is no quickhammers-
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VOTE: House
I'm the guy that won't hesitate to self-sacrifice to help town win.
Everybody here knows NM can't make that claim.
Elect me, and I'll pull that trigger when and if the time comes.-
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I've dropped quite a few for the lulz.In post 80, Gamma Emerald wrote:I didn’t know that was your MO.
It's especially hilarious to do it as scum and not get lynched because I have a history of doing it as town.-
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I mean, I've hammered town reads before because I accept the fact that my reads aren't flawless, but sure.-
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Yeah, but I don't want NM as a stump if I'm not because he's one of very few that can sort me... historically speaking, of course.-
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What he said, but for a different reason.
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In post 94, KorVex wrote:I mean, I don't really care about rolling scum. I'm using the two stumps as players I don't wanna have to sort if I roll town, and players who I'd have to nk if I rolled scum.
I've already stated I will submit vigilante mason though.
~ KoriIn post 58, Jingle wrote:
A role that is normal like but belongs to two players (a masonry with a shared vig shot, for example) is not a single normal role and is thus not an eligible submission.-
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Okie.
What does everyone else think? Since roles aren't assigned yet, I think this is a great opportunity to collaborate on the roles for the tree stumps to submit-
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Another great combo is Weak Hider + Doctor
Hider claims d1 and announces his target before night, doctor stays hidden and protects the target.
Follow the cop.-
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No different from any open setup, really.In post 107, KorVex wrote:
The only problem I see with this however is that scum know what to be looking for in terms of crumbs, and then scum know more or less the exact setup.In post 104, House wrote:Okie.
What does everyone else think? Since roles aren't assigned yet, I think this is a great opportunity to collaborate on the roles for the tree stumps to submit
I'm only sharing one of my ideas for a pick.
If the roles are sufficiently strong, scum knowing what they are isn't much of a benefit.-
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In the case of the setup I mentioned, it doesn't really matter what they have.In post 110, KorVex wrote:Yea, but we don't know what the scum have in return.
Scum can't play with Hider results, and Hider can't be killed unless it targets non-town.
Then we lynch the scum.-
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Maybe with a d1 claim, but not after they have a couple nights of results crumbed.In post 114, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can think of like, 2 counters for Weak Hider + Doctor, and there's probably more
Then they're stuck playing catch up with their NK's.-
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When did that change?In post 115, KorVex wrote:pretty sure a strongman targeting a hider just kills them-
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Mountainous?In post 121, Not_Mafia wrote:Alternative, we make town very low powered so scum becomes low powered-
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This game can't be true mountainous by virtue of the 2 stumps anyway, so those stats aren't exactly relevant.In post 129, KorVex wrote:
mountainous is scumsided unless we get to like 17v3 or somethingIn post 124, House wrote:
Mountainous?In post 121, Not_Mafia wrote:Alternative, we make town very low powered so scum becomes low powered
i know 11v2 is like a 39% winrate for town
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Also, the game would stop being mountainous for town with 1 stump blowing out, so there's that.-
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I wonder if Bus Driver resolves before or after Hider.
That could be annoying, too.-
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What do we think of mass target/results claims for roles with useful info in case a pr is killed before they can out publicly?-
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(ie, Everyone posting "my (role) result is..." whether they are that role or not)-
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Stupid question... is "scumputer" an actual thing?
Followup: if it is... what exactly is it?-
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It depends on whether the Hider is being treated as bulletproof or commuted.In post 144, northsidegal wrote:this is just a personal curiosity—where do you see conflicting information on the wiki?
The flavor of the role suggests commuted (they're hiding, so they're away from home), but it's apparently treated by some as simple bp.-
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Whining about people being boring is boring.In post 177, Not_Mafia wrote:Y'all boring
Like this post, for example.-
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If you do, I'll vote nsg.In post 183, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:Im gonna vote NM out of spite if yall keep bullying him-
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Turns out, I'm spiteful too.
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By who, newbies?In post 186, Titus wrote:
Unlikely. I'm usually a miselimination candidate.In post 152, Gamma Emerald wrote:but you might get NKed :/-
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Wait, does NM actually play the game now??-
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I think the stumps should be nsg & Mia hydra.-
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VOTE: northsidegal
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Readability isn't the only concern about stump selection, to me.In post 230, Not Known 15 wrote:... and definitely no hydras because hydras are nearly always easy to read.
Skilled scumhunters that can be trusted is a powerful weapon for town, IMHO.
My only interest in being stumped was to be the sacrificial lamb. Skill trumps sacrifice... and y'all will have to put up with me longer as a player than a stump.-
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I'd be cool with seeing you as a stump, personally. I'm just rolling with Titus because I trust her opinion when I know she's not scum, lol.In post 238, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:What nancy and I bring to the table is continued thread WIM - which is a key component of town wins.
I dont think anyone else at this table are the types to push activity when there is none.
IMHO, this selection should be between your hydra and DGB.-
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Before this game starts, please allow me to acknowledge that I have been... problematic at times, to put it charitably, and I give you all my word that those days are behind me.
I've worked hard to return to this community because I enjoy not only the game, but also the people here. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone.-
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Apologies, by "rolling with", I meant "voting with".In post 241, DkKoba wrote:Titus self disqualified themselves from stump status
Sorry I wasn't more clear.-
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DGB, it's not scummy to vote yourself until D1.-
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but...In post 263, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:
I really don’t understand why people are voting people who have expressed no interest in being stump. Shouldn’t actually wanting to be a stump be a prerequisite?In post 260, House wrote:DGB, it's not scummy to vote yourself until D1.
In post 24, DrippingGoofball wrote:I have a weird sexual fetish about treestumping in mafia games. Indulge me.In post 28, DrippingGoofball wrote:The last time I was forcibly held in a mental institution for 72 hours observation, I was release with a prescription to treestump.
It's for medical reasons.In post 119, DrippingGoofball wrote:As tree stump, I can run the scumputer ALL GAME LONG!!!!!In post 130, DrippingGoofball wrote:
This would be an epic team.In post 122, Not_Mafia wrote:
DGB+N_M 4 stumpzIn post 119, DrippingGoofball wrote:As tree stump, I can run the scumputer ALL GAME LONG!!!!!
I think DGB is.-
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I already told you why I made my vote.
I have no clue what DGB is up to. I'm not in her head.-
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If that's your logic, you should be voting me.In post 268, Moongrass wrote:
I think this is the best bet. I wouldn't expect the exit to be the first post, but an exit at some point would make town stump more powerful.In post 258, northsidegal wrote:so NM be honest
if / when you're a stump, your very first post is going to be exiting the game, right
how could you call yourself a true troll if it wasn't
VOTE: NM
In post 79, House wrote:VOTE: House
I'm the guy that won't hesitate to self-sacrifice to help town win.
Everybody here knows NM can't make that claim.
Elect me, and I'll pull that trigger when and if the time comes.In post 235, House wrote:My only interest in being stumped was to be the sacrificial lamb.-
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Precisely this.In post 329, NorwegianboyEE wrote:VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
Plz not Not_Mafia. They're like the least convincing player in existence, there is literally nothing to gain from stumping them other than bad memes.-
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Please hammer the Feys.In post 340, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Assuming they're even going to play seriously.-
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A vote is not the deciding factor that mastina is claiming. Pressure is.
An immortal town scumhunter with the ability to constantly influence votes is much more beneficial than a single vote that can be killed off.-
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Strongman isn't a role, it's a modifier... so unless you add "vig" or some other killing role, it won't have any effect.In post 330, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Also if i get stumped i will add an compulsive-night 1-Not_Mafia-targeting-strongman to the game.-
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In post 345, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I know it was a joke.In post 344, House wrote:
Strongman isn't a role, it's a modifier... so unless you add "vig" or some other killing role, it won't have any effect.In post 330, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Also if i get stumped i will add an compulsive-night 1-Not_Mafia-targeting-strongman to the game.In post 341, House wrote: Please hammer the Feys.-
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+1 beer
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A commuter would be nice, though.-
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Your concern is negated by the fact that players who know a skilled scumhunter is confirmed town are much more likely to sheep their push which gives the immortal voteless player multiple votes.In post 374, mastina wrote:
And I am arguing that an immortal town scumhunter who lacks votes innately inherently has less ability to influence votes and generate pressure than a town scumhunter who has a vote, especially when that player is a pressure/high-aggro style player.In post 343, House wrote:A vote is not the deciding factor that mastina is claiming. Pressure is. An immortal town scumhunter with the ability to constantly influence votes is much more beneficial than a single vote that can be killed off.
Constant influence might be constant, but it is something that generates a different aura. There is a big difference between influence without a vote and influence with a vote.
There is also a big difference between pressure with a vote and pressure without a vote.
I am also arguing that forcing scum to kill players whose votes are a threat is a feature not a flaw, and that treestumping said players is doing the scum a favor by removing the votes they would be most afraid of.-
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Fey hydra is sus.In post 388, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The vibes on this post are disgusting.In post 381, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:I'll choose VT just so yall focus on dayplay-
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In post 391, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:
Hello? None of us even have role pms ffs.In post 389, House wrote:
Fey hydra is sus.In post 388, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The vibes on this post are disgusting.In post 381, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:I'll choose VT just so yall focus on dayplay-
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Don't sweat it.In post 395, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:Oh sorry then.
It's not like I'm frequently sarcastic, or anything.-
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No no, I get it.In post 397, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:
I frequently miss sarcasm and have actually gotten wrongly pushed for that. “Like you didn’t instantaneously get the joke, clearly you’re not of the allignment known as town”.In post 396, House wrote:
Don't sweat it.In post 395, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:Oh sorry then.
It's not like I'm frequently sarcastic, or anything.
Not kidding either.
Been there, done that.-
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VOTE: NorwegianboyEE-
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VOTE: Free Money Free Tea
I believe in neither of these things.-
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For future reference, 451 is interesting.-
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For future reference, N_M in uninteresting.
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In other news, IC is a weird selection for a power role.
I'd say it's potentially much worse than Mason.-
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One of which can likely be Strongman killedeven with a doctor, if it exists.In post 459, Not_Mafia wrote:It makes sense with the stumps, we have 3 conftown voices