Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Sigmund]

I'm not reading any of the nonsense that's been posted

VOTE: White Fire

Die Die Die Die Die Die

[Sigmund]

cliff notes me then

[Sigmund]

so we should kill you right?

VOTE: Save the Dragons

this is no place for the weak

[Sigmund]

If we do some mass claim nonsense to try to break the game it will be an insult to unwnd and unfun.

[Sigmund]

wtf I could've caught fish

damnit

[Sigmund]

SS you give the worst cliff notes ever

[Sigmund]

reads:
titus town
morph the cat very likely town
toog likely town
chara scum

anyways going back to work cya laterzs

these reads are awful

[Sigmund]

Joining this game was a bad idea.

This is probably the best built game that will be run this year so if you miss out you're just gonna have a bad case of FOMO

[Sigmund]

Bell is so flipping dead hahahahahahaha

[Sigmund]

271 from Fark felt genuine to me

271 is completely pointless

[Sigmund]

You can't townread someone who's insane

[Sigmund]

Can we stop with the mod loopholes let's just kill people

[Sigmund]

Feels like the sort of thing you'd put in a scum pt if you had one

Or Farkran just loves the sound of his own voice

[Sigmund]

I find your opinion on Fark to be window dressing Murdercat.

oh hell yes lace into him

UNLEASH AVENGERBELL

[Sigmund]

I don't believe that this is a real read you have

it's fake af and I wouldn't believe it coming from a newbie on his first game let alone the reigning Paragon.

[Sigmund]

I LIVE ONLY FOR MELODRAMA TITUS LET ME ENJOY MYSELF YOU CAN DO YOUR VCA WHENEVER YOU WANT AND I PROMISE I WONT READ THAT EITHER

[Sigmund]

This poetry bullshit has already made me cut off one of my fingers

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Flea

YOU HAVE MY SWORD

[Sigmund]

FOR VALHALLAA

[Sigmund]

VOTE: option 3

i love chicken

[Sigmund]

Hmm. I think the exaggerated and taunting tone from sigmund is towny, and i could agree with his murdercat interpretation.

And i just realized i am on page 17, sigh

I have global taunt because my abs are amazing and I don't wear a shirt

[Sigmund]

don't like whemestar's lack of care for finding tickets after parking on me

I've never seen whemestar care about finding tickets in my life

[Sigmund]

Flea the Magician [5]: Dunnstral, White Fire, Bell, Sigmund, Chara

I am currently bored by this wagon.

If these numbers don't get pumped up I am going to declare myself a free agent

[Sigmund]

Something_Smart, Toogeloo, notscience, NDMath, Lady Lambdadelta, morph the cat, Not_Mafia

Exactly 3 scumbags are on this list.

Discuss who they are.

Go

[Sigmund]

Hear what makes you think that first

I work for the census bureau

[Sigmund]

Farkran Anya Dunnstral and Chara are too good looking to be scum.

That is all.

No I haven't read any of their posts.

I read people by the attractiveness of their anime avatars.

[Sigmund]

Wait never mind dunnstral looks ridiculous

scratch him off that list

[Sigmund]

As always, tiers are divided, but placement within tiers is not meaningful.

I Would Jump in Front of a Speeding Train for Him

Sigmund

Would self vote before voting

Toogeloo
Bell
Bingle

Pretty Darn Town

White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer)
Lady Lambdadelta
Chara
Thestatusquo
notscience
MURDERCAT

Good Vibes, Inc.

Titus
Flea the Magician

Above Null, Below Our Hearts

Dunnstral
Something_Smart
Save the Dragons
Guillotina

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~THE LINE OF DAY ONE VOTING WILLINGNESS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Priority to Sort

Anya
Ircher (jjh927)
Artemiana
NDMath
Farkran

Icky

WhemeStar

Updated. We should probably put STD back down to sort, but coming off of games of misreading him, it's tough to not want to give him BOTD.

I fixed your readlist

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Whemestar

[Sigmund]

can anyone explain to me how Whemestar is townie in any way.

Also let's kill him

[Sigmund]

Sigmund you're breaking my heart.

I even polished my dancing shoes.

My abs would make a Greek God Cry.

[Sigmund]

Sigmund [4]: Save the Dragons, Guillotina, Artemiana, Flea the Magician

this looks like the cast of The Usual Suspects

[Sigmund]

Maybe Not Mafia is an NPC who will auto-hammer anyone who gets to L-1

[Sigmund]

Can we get a decent wagon to stick? It feels as if scum are vote parking and refusing to bus.

Do you townread Sigmund?

G-boy.

If you keep trying to hitch a ride on my nuts I'm gonna ask that you at least purchase a ticket.

[Sigmund]

Your readslist is so bad that the only practical use I can see for it is toilet paper.

[Sigmund]

Dragon Scum Big Mad He didn't think of the "call out random dudes" plan of looking townie as fuck

[Sigmund]

Let me give you some free advice SaveTheScum.


To pull off what I do,

which is radiate pure blinding undisputable towniness despite mostly typing gibberish and nonsense.

You need an ass that looks like it was carved out of a block of solid marble by Michelangelo himself.

[Sigmund]

your posts are all trash and the fact that people town read them is baffling

Sounds like a scumbag who is jealous he can't look as townie as I do when I'm barely even trying

[Sigmund]

You have to understand something STD.

I don't need to "do things" to "look town"

I am town.

It is part of my identity.

Given to me by the Lord Creator UnWnd Himself.

I am a shining beacon of Towniness.

To try to pretend otherwise is folly.

[Sigmund]

Sigmund and STD fighting feels weird as hell.

This is as much of a "fight" as

Spoiler: don't click this

[Sigmund]

this last page of sigmund is the most glorious thing I've read in my 15 years playing on this website and I would be honored if he would let me carry his jockstrap around.

fix'd

[Sigmund]

I don't think the angry you're an idiot act is that hard to pull off as scum. Check out xRECKONERx from team mafia this year for instance, that was basically how he played the whole game.

what

I'm not angry.

I'm amused

I don't get angry in mafia games.

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Artemiana

[Sigmund]

if sigmund flips red i bet shea is red too

You have more probability of being a real dragon than me flipping red this game

[Sigmund]

townies say and do things like that literally all the time. It's incredibly common. I could probably spend 10 seconds looking at past farkran games and find him making basically identical posts as town.

It's not even enough for a vague scum lean and somehow you think it lock scums him. It's utter nonsense. Almost all of your takes are like this, just lacking in basic understanding of a) how the game of mafia works and b) what things tend to come from scum or town.

Honestly at this point it makes me want to town read you but I just really wish you had some baseline understanding of what you're talking about.

Look mate, I am perhaps the best wolf player you will ever meet, I bested you and 9 other players when I subbed in to a game where the other two scum players were already yeeted. I whooped your ass! This guy here, who don't know how Mafia works, who has been playing this game for two decades, whooped your ass in that game. SINGLE-HANDEDLY.
I got over 90% scum win rate across all sites and 90% effectivity as either alignment with power roles, specially as town and do you know why?

Because to catch a wolf, I always think like one!

When I rand town like in this game, I put my white pelt on and hunt wolves with black pelts. Have you watched Game of Thrones? I'm the stark's Direwolf.

If you are town and if you wanna play in this game with me, don't insult me ever again.

I legit snorted my drink through my nose reading this

[Sigmund]

My keyboard is all sticky and shit now.

You owe me a new keyboard

[Sigmund]

I know the scenery is pretty and all but can we stop lollygagging and murder someone already

VOTE: Save the Scum

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Ircher

[Sigmund]

If Cabd made that stupid fucking chart just to have post-game bragging rights that he got 12 green townreads and 0 scumreads on day 1 when he's actually a baddie I'm gonna laugh so fucking hard

Scum-read Morph the Cat

there so it's not a 12-0 stomp

[Sigmund]

morph can be town actually from that post.

the only thing that will make me townread morph the cat is if he delivers a bunch of dead red mice.

everything else is bullshit.

[Sigmund]

VOTE: White Fire

the last time I saw someone say "i like your grit" as a response to being voted they were a scumbag.

[Sigmund]

If people try to use flavor to solve this game we are going to lose badly.

[Sigmund]

Let's just assume Unwnd is not going to spend 6000 hours writing up some large theme mafia game that can be broken or gamed by flavor and has all sorts of nasty fucking surprises to punish anyone dumb enough to think he's stupid.

[Sigmund]

Guillotina
TSQ
Murdercat
Something Smart
White Fire

I need one more baddie to fill out my guess sheet

[Sigmund]

If you're going to do scum theatre with the psychic Pokémon you should at least do a Pokémon battle so it's not boring to read.

[Sigmund]

nah your boi SS TMI'd Ircher green with his fake af townread lol

[Sigmund]

What was fake about it?

I have more bravado and arrogance in my toenail than that post

[Sigmund]

I would. Ircher at least engaged with me about my suspicions on him. Sigmund in the other hand has not made efforts to help me townread him.

VOTE: Sigmund

It's not my fault your sense of smell is awful wolfboy

[Sigmund]

See? This is what im talking about. This player is not helping me townreading him, all he ever does is post fluff and TMI stuff.

what the fuck is this "help you townread him" bullshit you keep spewing.

if I was scum.

I would WANT TO BE TOWNREAD

if I was town

I would WANT TO BE TOWNREAD

so wtf r u even talking about help you townread me?

I'm town.

Figure it the fuck out.

[Sigmund]

Look mate, I am perhaps the best wolf player you will ever meet, I bested you and 9 other players when I subbed in to a game where the other two scum players were already yeeted. I whooped your ass! This guy here, who don't know how Mafia works, who has been playing this game for two decades, whooped your ass in that game. SINGLE-HANDEDLY.
I got over 90% scum win rate across all sites and 90% effectivity as either alignment with power roles, specially as town and do you know why?

Because to catch a wolf, I always think like one!

When I rand town like in this game, I put my white pelt on and hunt wolves with black pelts. Have you watched Game of Thrones? I'm the stark's Direwolf.

If you are town and if you wanna play in this game with me, don't insult me ever again.

ok mr. Top Tier BEST WOLF PLAYER EVER.

How the fuck am I playing like a wolf?

[Sigmund]

That is what im doing. Based on your content im trying to figure out your alignment, with a vote.

Because

1) You posted content that implies that you have more info than us.
2) And you have posted content that makes you look like you are active without contributing.
3) Ive been trying to get your attention, ive been telling everyone why i scumread you and you have never reacted until now, yet you scumread me, which means you have been reading my stuff but you have been avoiding me or you are pulling your scumread on me out of your ass.
4) it is not a honest expectation to expect town players to figure you out, and I emphasize on “figure you out”, which is a synonym of solving, out of thin air.

1. What the fuck are you talking about
2. I'm not active, I ain't read half of this game, it's mostly gibberish.
3. Your scumread sucks also You need to understand the difference between a wild ass guess and a scumread.
4. Don't be bad the game ain't that hard

[Sigmund]

I townread Chara now.
Dunn's posts are better, 1720 explained the major thing I had against him, and posts are feeling more different than the couple times I've played with scum!dunn.


VOTE: Sigmund
My reads are most similar to farkran's but disagree with his townread here.

Spoiler:

Yah, you are right, I misread and I got excited I got you in my "Gotcha Read".

Why is Sigmund town for you?

Same question for Titus

It's a toneread mostly, i think his attitude is hard to come around as scum. There are a few players who are able to pull that out but statistically it's >rand town.

Also it seems that his posts are aimed at having people talk and generally speaking advancing the game rather than stall. They are intervalled by trollish stuff but i don't see scumminess.

can you provide an example of where his posts are advancing the game

898 for example, but his whole approach really

It rings to me as if he wants to have people talk more, take stances and produce reads. Unless Sigmund is known for doing this as scum, that's how i interpret his activity here

Eh, i know it *can* be faked, i just think -statistically- it isn't how scum usually approach games. I don't know sigmund, maybe he's one of those players who would do that as scum. I would do that as scum for example, but i know i am not part of the majority. I don't want to metadive, although if you have a sample i can read it.

Also doing it *after* it has been pointed out isn't the same thing.

pedit: wrt titus, yes shea's point is really good and i'm still undecided what to do with titus. I think she could be scum, but she's also a player who talks a lot and will be sorted at some point no matter what

Like I feel 1753 is a lot to infer from "half the players not voting are scum, Discuss.".
Your other main point being sigmund's attitude/approach; I don't get what type of player would play like this as town but then wouldn't also as scum? And that is necessary to call the overall approach >randtown.

I can see the point of the post flew about 20,000 feet over your head

[Sigmund]

So? Your entire shtick is to make a lot of noise and be really rude to people. It doesn't mean that your play should be compared to that of a normal person.

I know Ircher to be a pretty quiet and timid player (at least in my experience). That's an unusual amount of bravado for him.

wtf is this be really rude to people nonsense

[Sigmund]

we are playing a social deception game based around murder, lying and bullshit.

Some of us will be loud

Some of us will be lying

Most of us will die.

this is not some proper 19th century English tea party where we observe proper etiquette and nibble on cute little cucumber sandwiches.

[Sigmund]

Look mate, I am perhaps the best wolf player you will ever meet, I bested you and 9 other players when I subbed in to a game where the other two scum players were already yeeted. I whooped your ass! This guy here, who don't know how Mafia works, who has been playing this game for two decades, whooped your ass in that game. SINGLE-HANDEDLY.
I got over 90% scum win rate across all sites and 90% effectivity as either alignment with power roles, specially as town and do you know why?

Because to catch a wolf, I always think like one!

When I rand town like in this game, I put my white pelt on and hunt wolves with black pelts. Have you watched Game of Thrones? I'm the stark's Direwolf.

If you are town and if you wanna play in this game with me, don't insult me ever again.

ok mr. Top Tier BEST WOLF PLAYER EVER.

How the fuck am I playing like a wolf?

you gonna answer this wolfboy?

[Sigmund]

1) Look into my ISO, ive been very vocal about it, you cant miss it. Im gonna force you to read instead of making me waste time repeating myself.
2) If you havent resd half of this game how did you come to the conclusion that it is gibberish? Also, what posts are not gibberish? Point them out to me.
3) What are you saying here, that my scumread on you is a wild guess or that your scumread on me is?
4) im great at this game, you and your pack wished i was not.

1. I'm not reading your entire fucking iso to figure out what your point is

if its important to you and you believe in it you should be able to write it in 1 sentence.

the fact you don't means you're just full of shit here.

2. It's called skimming, if it sounds like bullshit gibberish I just glance over it and don't read it.

3. I'm not a psychic so it out.

4. nah cuz you're literally scumreading the towniest townie in this game.

[Sigmund]

whatever i'm still a townie

[Sigmund]

nah you didn't

[Sigmund]

SPEWED TOWN BY TMI I LOVE IT

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Flea

Let's kill some bad people already

[Sigmund]

Chara's posts are feeling highly reasonable. I don't know if this is alignment indicative.

I'm sure when Chara is scum, it posts like a raving lunatic

[Sigmund]

I'm literally allergic to reason

[Sigmund]

sigmund is scum

Why?

All I see is you talking shit about Shea

[Sigmund]

are you going to give me an actual reason or just avoid the question

[Sigmund]

so your read isnt even real

[Sigmund]

so you have literally nothing

[Sigmund]

its true

[Sigmund]

do you have meta of scum me doing nothing?

do you have a game state read that says the optimal strategy for scum is to do nothing?

nah

you have zero

nada

zilch

just a bad gut-read and some bubbles in the sky

[Sigmund]

oooh looks like i struck a nerve

Your case is so bad I wouldn't use it as toilet paper

[Sigmund]

maybe if you don't have time to actually commit to finding a bad guy you should just take a seat and stop trolling me

[Sigmund]

The game state is either controlled by a bunch of highly townread scumbags who will keep their scumteam from ever facing danger and steamroll this town or its going to be a massive 2020 style large theme roflstomp of some badly prepared scum team that has 0 charismatic/thread control capable players on it.

I don't trust Cabd/LLD and I want them to start steering the ship so I can figure out if they're bad or good instead of letting the peasants randomly slap each other with wooden swords.

[Sigmund]

maybe if you don't have time to actually commit to finding a bad guy you should just take a seat and stop trolling me

nah

good talk dude

[Sigmund]

she's not steering

that's what i'm worried about

[Sigmund]

He doesn't seem like he's afraid of Sigmund, at least. But that could just be because he's scum and thinks that Sigmund's bark is worse than his bite. (Which he would probably be right about.)

I don't understand why anyone would be scared of me

[Sigmund]

I don't like sheas attack on STD for Woe is me while completely ignoring sigmunds Woe is me

wtf when did I woe is me

[Sigmund]

The game state is either controlled by a bunch of highly townread scumbags who will keep their scumteam from ever facing danger and steamroll this town or its going to be a massive 2020 style large theme roflstomp of some badly prepared scum team that has 0 charismatic/thread control capable players on it.

I don't trust Cabd/LLD and I want them to start steering the ship so I can figure out if they're bad or good instead of letting the peasants randomly slap each other with wooden swords.

I'm sorry. You don't get to taunt people about showing your scum meta after this post.

I don't even understand this sentence

[Sigmund]

I feel like Sigmund has a greater chance for flipping scum compared to STD.

I know I have a 0 percent chance of flipping scum

[Sigmund]

wtf when did I woe is me

You're entire ISO

You have reading issues.

I don't care if I get eliminated it's a game

[Sigmund]

You're a loose cannon. Loose cannons are sometimes scary to scum because they're hard to sway and hard to predict.

I'm a loose cannon with almost no thread influence and nobody is listening to me so why would that be scary to anyone?

[Sigmund]

lol

[Sigmund]

lemme know when this wagon is serious enough that I need to claim

or just kill me whatever

[Sigmund]

I claim I'm too good looking to be mafia btw

[Sigmund]

I'm a beloved prince

if I die for any reason the game will be cancelled and unwnd will be very disappointed in all of you.

[Sigmund]

alt-hunting is rude

also i'm town

[Sigmund]

I can't believe flea-scum already TMI'd me as town and you are still trying to vote me off the island

[Sigmund]

yea it's boring af

also that stuffed bear doesn't have abs of steel

have you seen my abs?

they're like made of steel.

[Sigmund]

or we could kill flea and when flea flips red you'll be like oooh I guess flea did TMI slip Sigmund as town

[Sigmund]

And I do believe sir giant abs that the better half of this Hydra was calling you out for being a chicken for hiding behind an alt when we're over here playing with all of our cards on the table including all the wacky crap that we've done in the past. Where is here you are hiding behind an alt but still throwing out meta on others. It doesn't really bother me much but here we are.

He's just jealous I look so damn good

[Sigmund]

His play is suicidal if scum, and I like some of the stances that have wafted through the overpowering cloud of Axe, which has been happening more regularly over the last 48 hours or so.

What about the Flea stance though? Like, maybe there's more to that read than a bullshit TMI accusation, but he's really not helping make that clear.

What's bullshit about the TMI accusation?

[Sigmund]

man i don't vibe with almost anyone in this game.

That's pretty weird for you

[Sigmund]

It's based on a literal reading of the post, when it makes no sense for Flea as any alignment to mean that at face value, and it makes perfect sense for it to be a turn of phrase that was misinterpreted.

You don't think it's possible flea just slipped?

[Sigmund]

Obviously it doesn't make sense for scum!flea to intentionally slip that I'm town.

but why can't scum!Flea accidentally slip I'm town?

[Sigmund]

your argument is based on what "makes sense" for scum!flea to do,

why can't scum!flea just mess up and make a mistake?

[Sigmund]

Well, you started out by dropping a reads list which I'm not familiar with you doing outside of some circumstances, though I understand play evolves. But it did raise my eyebrows that you started there.
Sometimes I just see you troubleshooting and I'm not sure if you're picking your battles with laser precision. Which is where the idea of you copying your town playstyle comes from.
It's one of those, "is he serious, or is he just asking questions that are a little less focused and seemingly less constructive than I might expect?"

Or something like that. My brain is fried from work and I can't articulate myself well, or rather, I keep half assing and "good enoughing" my meanings when I really need to be more precise.

yea I don't remember SS getting this involved in pushing on D1 in any other games

you getting coached or some shit buddy?

[Sigmund]

Bell they got like 371 posts

I'm sure this thread has enough of Morph the Wonder Cat

[Sigmund]

explain why it's "highly unlikely"

[Sigmund]

Flea is not a "careful player"

Flea plays emotionally and more or less off the cuff.

In fact there was a large theme game where Flea claimed to have gone to a room that did not exist on the ship.

That "Slip" broke the game open and ended up resulting in a lolstomp townwin.

Bell and Shea should be familiar with this incident.

So stop with this "it's highly unlikely flea slips" nonsense.

[Sigmund]

I'm pushing? That's news to me.

Are you going to deny you are pushing me ?

[Sigmund]

you're asking me "why would fae slip"

obviously fae wouldn't slip on purpose.

this is a ridiculous question

the whole point of a slip is that its an ACCIDENT

[Sigmund]

I'm not pushing you. (Or at least, I didn't intend to give off that impression.)

I'm arguing against townreads on you, but that's not the same thing. I don't think you deserve to be townread for your playstyle because I feel like it's an alt persona and not selected specifically for this game. How accurate would you say that is?

Oh yes

You are not pushing me

You are just doing things that if successful would result in me dying.

That's completely not the same thing

[Sigmund]

It's an accident, but it's not like it was a typo... there must have still been some thought process involved.

You're asking for "why would a scumbag slip"

SCUM DO NOT SLIP ON PURPOSE YOUR VERY QUESTION IS JUST RIDICULOUSLY BAD FAITH

[Sigmund]

Yea Flea thought my nonsense about being the towniest townie was downright ridiculous

So Flea responded emotionally and slipped that I actually am town

[Sigmund]

Sigmund you are FAR from the towniest town in this game. we have many holding that title above you.

[Sigmund]

it puts me on a townie chart and says I'm not near the top.

the TMI is that I'm on the townie chart.

a non-tmi response would be to call me a scumbag

[Sigmund]

The argument is that flea called him town therefore knows he's town. Which literally i have seen townies do 1000000 times

WHILE FLEA IS VOTING FOR ME TO DIE?

HELLLOOOOOO

[Sigmund]

flea wasn't even townreading me at the time

flea was VOTING FOR ME

[Sigmund]

someone calling a another player a "townie" is not a TMI slip because that's just what people do.

someone saying "you're not the towniest townie by far, which pre-supposes I'm in their townie ranking" while voting for me to die, is TMIing slipping that I'm in the "townie chart" but I'm RANKED LOW ENOUGH FOR THEM TO TRY TO MISELIM

[Sigmund]

like you guys understand scum have "townie charts" too right?

and they move people up and down their townie chart based on "scumminess" and ease of pushing mis-elim.

I am on Flea's townie chart

But Flea is voting for me.

That tells you everything you need to know about what type of chart Flea is using.

[Sigmund]

Apparently he believed this was a slip in confirming himself but didn't vote Flea over it until pages later. Sounds like scum letting a really dumb T/T happen to me tbh.

oh no

I forgot to vote flea right away and instead voted flea 1 hour later

what a massive massive scum slip bingle

[Sigmund]

if Flea flips scum i'm still going to argue that wasn't a slip. it's not about being careful or not being careful, it's about how language works.

also, this sort of thing seems in character for SS to spend time on and care about. or i'm just thinking that because i also care immensely even though it functionally doesn't matter because i do think Flea is scummy, just not for

this

thing, and it bothers me that Sigmund is

disagreeing

with me on the

internet.

It's a psychological slip. This has nothing to do with language.

Flea posted "Sigmund you are FAR from the towniest town in this game. we have many holding that title above you."

If Flea is scum with TMI, they did the following:

1) They sought to create more fire between me and Sigmund. It is clearly a subtle instigation.
2) They also sought to pocket me by selling me the illusion that they agreed with my read and are pushing Sigmund with me to support it.
3) They psychologically acknowledged and confirmed that Sigmund was town.
4) They also acknowledge that he was a town aligned player that was playing anti town.
5) They acknowledged that there are other towns more townie than Sigmund.

My only regret in my reaction was not asking Flea who are the townier players than Sigmund.

[Sigmund]

Apparently he believed this was a slip in confirming himself but didn't vote Flea over it until pages later. Sounds like scum letting a really dumb T/T happen to me tbh.

I didn't call out Flea for the slip.

Guillo called out Flea for the slip.

I said it was cool to be conftowned by a TMI slip but I had to actually think about the slip and re-read it a few times before I understood wtf guillo was talking about.

I voted Flea ~1 hour later cuz I had to think about it also I have shit going on IRL too.

[Sigmund]

is there a question in there?

[Sigmund]

1. Because it adopts my mindframe - I know i'm townie, flea doesn't

2. I don't trust Guillo's reads, that's why I had to think about what Guillo was talking about and work it out for myself.

3. A slip happens in the moment, I'm not going to get Flea to admit it was a scumslip, I didn't even understand flea slipped until after Guillo pointed it out

4. I don't understand this question. wtf r you even asking me here?

[Sigmund]

I liked fleas most recent posts a decent amount and I still don't like a single thing sigmund has done all game.

What did you like about them?

[Sigmund]

I have seen nothing from anya that makes me think they're >rand scum. And this wagon stinks of a scum driven counter wagon.

so in this scenario.

I'm scum

Flea is town.

We're tied in votes.

and my scum buddies have decided to try to drive a new counter wagon to save me

instead of just pushing the person I'm tied in votes with.

because?

[Sigmund]

Anya [4]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Artemiana, Titus

who is scum on this list shea?

[Sigmund]

If you had been reading my posts you'd know theres two people on that list who have a high percentage chance of being scum.

it would've taken you less time to just type their names dude

[Sigmund]

guillo bell tooges - town

shea flea ss - mafia

[Sigmund]

Are you going to deny you are pushing me ?

I'm not pushing you. (Or at least, I didn't intend to give off that impression.)

I'm arguing against townreads on you, but that's not the same thing. I don't think you deserve to be townread for your playstyle because I feel like it's an alt persona and not selected specifically for this game. How accurate would you say that is?

this post felt weird and fence-sitty

he feels more present in the thread than he usually is on d1 of large themes.

getting the feeling he's getting coached/pushed to be more active by someone on his scum team

[Sigmund]

Since I've been back I havnt been able to fix my reaction to pressure and I HATE IT

just don't ghost the thread whenever you get pushed as scum and you're fine

[Sigmund]

Can we just void this already? Activity isn't AI and this is cheap af.

?

I'm not even talking to you

I'm talking to her and how she got caught out on her scum games.

[Sigmund]

Is this a meta read or you are accusing Artemiana of doing this in this game?

No this is just me telling Arte to not thread-ghost when she gets pushed.

Arte's probably town just on mech this game

[Sigmund]

What if I do this @Sigmund? VOTE: Sigmund

Do you still townread me?

yea duh

[Sigmund]

getting the feeling he's getting coached/pushed to be more active by someone on his scum team

You think this is a tenet-gypyx scenario?

SS in Tenet and Smokefilled talked way less than SS in this game

[Sigmund]

Why?

Your progression doesn't make sense for scum

[Sigmund]

You believe in Flea's TMI slip and it was fast enough in the moment that I don't think its a scum fabrication

[Sigmund]

like if scum you is pushing town me dead I don't think scum you is looking for angles to attack people who are joining scum you on a wagon.

[Sigmund]

the scum have a discord server.

so it is easy for them to be prodding their people to post more.

you have increased activity from the baseline I have for town!you during recently completed town large theme games.

hence I believe you are more invested/pushed to post more.

[Sigmund]

that's not TMI it's what I inferred from the information the moderator gave me

[Sigmund]

I have pm'd the moderator to ask if I am allowed to talk about how I inferred it as it is from private communication

You can however use your imagination

[Sigmund]

there's a third thing you aren't think of

[Sigmund]

lol

[Sigmund]

TSQ wants to hit me for TMI but he can't acknowledge the existence of TMI this is hilarious

[Sigmund]

I'm not allowed to explain how I inferred the existence of a scum discord server.

but I'm pretty sure it exists.

and you can use your imagination for why a town player would know this information.

[Sigmund]

Sigmund youre so tunneled on me that you read me saying I don't believe what you did is TMI as me attacking you somehow. Thats the real funny part here.

if we're actually T/T this game the tunneled one is you

[Sigmund]

I keep forgetting that Sigmund claimed getting that info privately from the mod and that is the base for my suspicion.

Two instances of TMI during day 1 is not a coincidence, sorry.

VOTE: Sigmund

I said I inferred it from a private conversation with the moderator.

I can't explain what happened in this conversation because rules regarding mod communications.

You can use your imagination about what it would be about.

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Anya

[Sigmund]

Even after I flip town and flea flips red you guys will still refuse to accept that Flea slipped

its fine

can we stop wasting time debating it

I don't care anymore.

[Sigmund]

Either they are all lying, including the conftown, or there is a set of the population (which appears to be everyone except you from where I sit) who WOULD use that phrase to convey that specific meaning.

or you're just wrong.

something that could possibly happen

[Sigmund]

should I claim here?

[Sigmund]

I don't even know what the case on me is

[Sigmund]

it boils down to

you haven't done anything
my gut says it's you

this is what I got the last time I asked any1

[Sigmund]

it's actually embarrassing that I'm tied with Anya for "not doing anything"

[Sigmund]

I'm a medic

my normal ability is to heal people who are missing HP.

I have SP abilities that allow me to make someone ascetic and prevent someone from dying on a given night.

[Sigmund]

why would you want the scum to know how often I can protect someone from dying is this serious

[Sigmund]

No. I'm claiming that unwnd designed the roles and flavor explicitly around the real in game classes, and merely knowing one's role name is enough to know nearly exactly what their abilities are.

I literally did a read-through of each and every class in the game pregame.

wait this is based on something ?

[Sigmund]

I'm gonna catch up with this game at some point in my life

[Sigmund]

VOTE: MurderCat


This might be the most suicidal play I've ever seen in mafia history.

[Sigmund]

I believe in morph

I poured out some whiskey and I'm actually going to try to play the game for a bit tonight before I hit the bed

[Sigmund]

Gamestate at beginning of 6/3:



vote movements after this votecount:

Key Takeaways:

Almost all of the Anya voters came from Flea Voters moving over to Anya.

Guillo/Chara tried to move to Flea after Sigmund claimed Medic - despite the wagons mostly being Anya(10) Sigmund(9) very close to deadline.

Gonna go over reactions to LLD demands in depth.

[Sigmund]

ngl I haven't read anything that happened in day 2 yet.

I'll get to that over the weekend when I actually have time or whatever.

Here's a brief analysis of Anya's Legal Defense Team from their Heroic Defense of her on D1:

Spoiler: Chara

Spoiler: Guillo

Spoiler: Farkran

Spoiler: TSQ

I think TSQ is probably the most likely to be town out of these four just because of how he actually seems convinced she's town.

Fark/Chara are shady af imo. Chara really bent over backwards for the anyone but Anya thing.

Guillo had conversations with LLD and Titus about why Anya was not a good elim yesterday and it doesn't look like Guillo actually listened to anything anyone said to him about her.

Also shout out to my boy Toogeloo who was cruelly murdered last night and said Guillo was a dirty scumbag.

This is where I'd be looking to kill a baddie if Flea/Me is actually T/T here.

[Sigmund]

Eeeeh? I didnt defend Anya. I just didnt care for her yeet as much as i cared for yours or Flea. GTFOH

That's actually worse than saying she's town and making a case for it.

[Sigmund]

For the record if Sigmund is not nightkilled tonight, he is scum, no town doctor survives more than two nights after claiming.

yea I'm sure I claimed doctor in order to get my scum partner eliminated instead of me and put a timer on my own life

that's such genius scum play.

clap clap clap

[Sigmund]

I'm just reading long ass back and forths you had with LLD/Titus about why you didn't want to eliminate Anya and like if you're actually town and you play this way

the problem in this game is YOU

[Sigmund]

Like I can believe a certain level of tunneledness if you thought one of me/flea was scum, but like you didn't even believe that, you kept flipping back and forth between me and flea like you couldn't make up your damn mind.

So why would you be so resistant to voting Anya when LLD/Titus expressed conviction there if all you have on your end is a 50/50?

[Sigmund]

If you are scum you claimed doctor to buy time. No one is gonna yeet a doctor after claiming because townies cant afford to gamethrow if the claim is true, but we also assume that scum does not let a town doctor claim live because that is playing against their own wincon. When it does not happen, it always leads to that claim being a fake one from scum and i will die on that hill.

buy time for what?

the only 2 wagons were me/anya tied at 9 with like 10 hours to go until deadline

I claim doctor, she dies.

Why the F would I claim doctor and put a timer on my own life to get my own scum teammate killed?

I'm not a fucking moron

[Sigmund]

Why is it worse having a conviction to my own reads? Huh? Just because im town it does not mean im required to sheep others into a wagon that i dont believe in.

how the f did you have conviction in your reads?

you were switching between me and flea like a fish looking for water

[Sigmund]

Oh and Toog saying that im scum does not worry me because he was wrong and you implying that he is dead because he did is laughable. When i rand scum i kill real threats to my wincon, loud voices, town leaders etc. Not players with little thread presence and zero clout like Toog (no offense to the player).
The way i see it, Toog was killed so scum could point it out to incriminate me, guess who is the first to raise that up. You!

Rest my case on that matter.

I didn't even know I was the first one to point it out since I've literally not read a single page of D2.

also I'm town.

[Sigmund]

Gladiator is an inherently anti-town role action and there have been Mafia Gladiators in Large Themes.

As long as LLD prefers Murdercat Elim I will be sheeping her.

Wishing the best for your loved ones.

[Sigmund]

I didn't even know where LLD was voting I really should pay more attention

VOTE: Ircher

[Sigmund]

Of the people voting for Me/Flea prior to Anya-wagon gaining steam and pushing to the front and going thru I suspect the following:

Chara
NDMath

Farkran
White Fire

I don't like how they played out the last part of D1.

If Flea is town, the way these four players were positioned feels the most to me like "scum who are ok with T v T being the leading 2 wagons and then being caught flatfooted when Anya rips up and becomes a thing"

I still have not read anything that happened on D2 sorry I have been busy.

[Sigmund]

Do you think flea is town though?

I don't what alignment Flea is. The fact that Anya's wagon came almost completely from Flea voters makes me think Flea was a mostly town-motivated wagon that stalled to divert into Anya, I would think if Flea was town that scum would've just pushed Flea over the edge.

However LLD has said she thinks Flea/Me was TvT so I'm going to defer to her judgement on Flea.

[Sigmund]

i feel the same re: Fark. i'm no expert on reading him but i think scum Fark does more to save anya if he's going to vocally support her than say "i agree with shea". and i've said before he feels uninformed

I don't see how Scum!Fark could do more to save Anya in that spot.

[Sigmund]

I feel like no one is interacting with me re: notty at all. Why is notty town? At least don't ignore me.

Notty is town unless Morph says otherwise

[Sigmund]

yea I protected LLD last night

[Sigmund]

VOTE: MurderCat

[Sigmund]

You learn if you were targeted by any actions, or specific ones?

Any actions, and I don't get info about who or what
Given I have no interest in attacking people until much later I figured I could at least try to confirm something later (or even catch someone in a lie), but no one targeted me either night and no one claimed to.

this is a lie

[Sigmund]

i healed murdercat on N0

lemme check with mod

[Sigmund]

he's a claimed watcher tho

either he's going to get us something juicy or he's gonna get shot at night no?

[Sigmund]

I used heal on Murdercat n0

its my innate ability and costs no sp

[Sigmund]

More specifically:

Why didn't he protect Artemisia who claimed cop

cuz protecting people isnt a 1 SP ability

[Sigmund]

16 alive 5 scum is big yikes

are people just randomly vigging each other at night or some shit

farmerboy copgirl and titus were all pretty townie.

[Sigmund]

is this one of those lol-throw games i havent read shit

im just gonna sheep cabd

i can protect cabd tonight so he should be able to live for at least one more day.

[Sigmund]

dunnstral why do you keep attacking townies

[Sigmund]

lets just kill dunn and ircher

if theyre town we deserve to lose since town loves to apparently murder each other at night for random bullshit reasons

[Sigmund]

like why are you guys even killing at night im so mad

[Sigmund]

he's a claimed watcher tho

either he's going to get us something juicy or he's gonna get shot at night no?

did you read this post and think "Sigmund wants me to shoot our watcher at night"

[Sigmund]

and you raising the idea that I could be scum after I've been verified by a watcher, a follower, and dayplay as the primary counterwagon to a scumflip on d1 is fucking hilarious dunnstral

[Sigmund]

I probably dont have significant time for the next week or so sorry. i am hardsheeping cabd for the next 2 daycycles

[Sigmund]

I probably dont have significant time for the next week or so sorry. i am hardsheeping cabd/ffery for the next 2 daycycles

correcting this cuz I am dumb

[Sigmund]

VOTE: flea

[Sigmund]

morph hero cat yuss

[Sigmund]

N0 healed murdercat

N1 doc-protect LLD

N2 did nothing

N3 doc-protect Morph the Cat(Failed)

N4 healed bingle

This game is basically over right?

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Something Smart

Lez gooo Valhallllaaaaaaa

[Sigmund]

I've just gotten back from spending a week on a beach so I have the tan of a Roman God.

[Sigmund]

well the CatGod commanded us to kill you.

[Sigmund]

its ok SS you can take pride in the fact that you're the only person CatGod mis-read

[Sigmund]

unless you're scum then lol gg

[Sigmund]

I'm glad I got back from Vacay for this

[Sigmund]

lol

GG