New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[Shirou]

Status: Accepting applications for a kind gentlemen to take my hand.

Application Form:

Name:

Shirou

Alias:

THE

Fair Lady Shirou

Occupation:

Toxic and bad player at the multinational company mafiascum dot com

Interests:

Absolutely losing my mind over mafia games (?fun?, ?entertaining?, ?healthy?, ?worth?)

Likes:

Bullying and egging people to vote on my deathtunnel wagon

Dislikes:

Being bullied and egged to vote on other's wagons

Ideal date/relationship:

Politely screaming at each other in our PT around 2 AM before we go to work/school, trashtalking the other's reads (poems expressing how and why opinions different than yours sucks would be a bonus) and of course romantically threatening to kill ourselves in double suicide

every single day

without fail.

Spirit Animal:

A very poisonous snake.

Anything else you want to tell about yourself?

You, a gentleman reading this...you should pick me. Why? I'm a great partner. How I'm a great partner you ask? Well if you can't see how I'm lovely person to be around 24/7 from what I said above I'm not sure I could convince someone as oblivious as you with only words. Maybe it would take sharing a PT with me to understand it, so

pick me.

Huh? You think I'm

desperate

? I'm not "

desperate

". What the hell do you mean by "hur dur that lady is desperate!!!"??? I'M NOT DESPERATE, WHAT THE HELL. I just...I just wish I was...

Spoiler:

PICKED.
SELECTED.
CHOSEN.

SO PLEASE PICK ME.

PICK ME OK?

JUST PICK ME.

PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME

[Shirou]

Seemingly satisfied,

THE

Fair Lady Shirou laid on her bed after working so hard to type her application, she wore a cheeky, self-content smile. Fantasizing about how "That'll show 'em!" and "There'll be dozens of applications for my hand at any minute now! Maybe they should form a line!", she kept rolling around in the mattress while glued to the blue-lighted LED of her device; she felt anxious to see potential replies of suitable partners.

OBS: any suitors of the fair lady are encouraged to fill the application with their own version of it. The application form is also trademarked under creative commons so other ladies should feel free to steal it.

[Shirou]

to get everyone's attention, Datisi tapped the microphone. once the chatter quieted down, he said:

"before i forget,

GuiltyLion

is aligned with the

town

!"

We're off on a good start for this game, one of the most troublesome players in the list had he rolled scum in my opinion.

[Shirou]

it's like doki doki literature club in here

Remember gentlemen.

Just Shirou

.

Okie?

tch... all these ladies and their energy... don’t they know gentlemen want someone who pretends to not want them!?

Oh My...Oh Dear. Seems like there's a lady that doesn't truly understand a gentleman's heart here.

What gentlemen truly want is a pixie maniac girl that loves they unconditionally...like

me

, you know?

[Shirou]

am I allowed to use a script to fulfill this

It's fine to just use ChatGPT as if it was you...what the eyes don't see, the heart doesn't feel right?

[Shirou]

am I allowed to use a script to fulfill this

It's fine to just use ChatGPT as if it was you...what the eyes don't see, the heart doesn't feel right?

I thought you called yourself a great partner, sad to see that was untrue

W-what? Me? Lying? Never!

I'm just typing a bit of pretentious stuff because I saw it was popular on twitter! Believe me those weren't my true feelings, it was a spur of the moment thing!

I...regret it okay? so you'll forgive me right?

Right...?

Mhm,

right

. I'm glad you've forgiven me for it.

[Shirou]

ok quick question; to what extent are we like, taking this seriously

i kind of took this as a 'meme with friends' game

Probably not that serious for now considering if I was serious enough I would vote you for this

Who knows about the future though? Not me. Everyone often starts with this illusion of a "casual, friendly" game that isn't taken "too seriously", but the chances that it'll eventually become a trainwreck aren't small from my experience.

ok quick question; to what extent are we like, taking this seriously

i kind of took this as a 'meme with friends' game

im not going to take this seriously at all tbh im just here to dance

Heh. Let's see if you can fulfill that intention to the end.

Unhappily...you seem so laid back that you unfortunately might not start losing your mind later after all.

[Shirou]

that sounds good in theory but kind of deprives us of some organic decision making that would occur if he wasnt there and makes him kind of a stall point sorta.

lol pairing is ++town

I love tyranny

It's a shame you aren't a gentlemen to ask for my hand then...I would give the words "controlling and abusive" partner a whole new depth/meaning to you.

[Shirou]

VOTE: ausuka

Oh no Ydrasse...why must you break my heart like this? You aren't even a gentlemen to have the right to do that...

I was planning to have at least 10 pages of roleplaying before playing this pesky game called "mafia" you know?

that sounds good in theory but kind of deprives us of some organic decision making that would occur if he wasnt there and makes him kind of a stall point sorta.

lol pairing is ++town

I love tyranny

It's a shame you aren't a gentlemen to ask for my hand then...I would give the words "controlling and abusive" partner a whole new depth/meaning to you.

im tempted

The saying "curiosity killed the cat" exists for a reason you know? You're free to try it though, I pinky promise I would give you a blissful time before you're filled with regret upon the realization of how our relationship wrecked your life

Partnering with Shirou sounds like the exact type of insanity I signed up for

I don't promise to make you happy ever after, but I

do

promise to give you wild, raw and unforgettable "experience".

Till a inevitable nasty divorce do us part at least?

[Shirou]

Temptation….
I’ll consider.

Oh my, they don't stop coming! So many suitors after this fair lady.

Seems like I may have been right after all Ydrasse?

It's ok, I can help any struggling ladies with "relationship hacks" as long as you subscribe to my tier 3 patreon. I'm generous like that you know? My generous heart barely fits inside my chest.

[Shirou]

i refuse to let anyone into my heart!

Playing hard to get...how cute. It's a shame I'm a lady this time around.

I'm not a vampire so as a gentleman I wouldn't feel the need to ask for your permission or keys to open that locked door you know?

The saying "curiosity killed the cat" exists for a reason you know? You're free to try it though, I pinky promise I would give you a blissful time before you're filled with regret upon the realization of how our relationship wrecked your life

sounds like a good time to me

It unironically does, doesn't it?

At least a good drama makes you feel alive after all.

[Shirou]

ProfessorDrapion giving some serious answers is a bit heartwarming you know? A pure gentlemen indeed.

Drapion...maybe you should ask me for a dance after all, the innocent ones are the most fun to mess with at the end of the day.

imo pick someone who will heartlessly pocket you and then let them bc that results in a more tragic and dramatic endgame

Hmm, I've personally played a part on some townies wanting to unironically be eliminated in an older game just to not go through the pain of figuring out who was scum there (and yes, "it was me all along"). Do I have enough qualifications for the described job? I hope so.

My unique problem may be that I'm not good at exclusivity you know...I'm the silly type that enjoys putting inside my pockets every and anything I can wrap my little fingers around.

p-edit: Oh my, he's also serious about gunning for me! A match made in heaven I would say!

Hmm...or hell perhaps.

[Shirou]

Initially thought Prof could be like desperate scum here, but actually he's a gent so he can't die either way, so I'm not sure what to make of the double proposal

He's just pure okay?

[Shirou]

accept

...Aristeia, you robbed my man.

Surely

you understand how

unforgivable

that is to a lady right?

[Shirou]

i actually find shirou suspect for liking drapion and encouraging him.
Shirou jumped in the dance stonks for me wanting to dance with

How does that make me suspicious actually? You think I need to try hard on wanting a invite to get past day 1?

Either way if being suspicious of me makes you

want me

harder, what can I say other than...

I love it!

Spoiler:

[Shirou]

i want to pair with Shirou the most right now

I was kind of waiting to see if there would be any additional replacements early, If there was I was hoping that Norwe could replace in to share a lovely dance with me...

However it doesn't seem like it'll happen so given how wacky our PT would be, this lady must say she wants to dance with you the most out of this playerlist...so won't you do it you coward?

Ask my delicate hand,

nicely

, with a application form! Hmpf!

[Shirou]

Took you long enough to get interested on me Firebringer...this lady didn't say out of fear of sounding needy, but I was waiting for your sharp handsomely stare to turn towards me you know?

i want to pair with Shirou the most right now

I was kind of waiting to see if there would be any additional replacements early, If there was I was hoping that Norwe could replace in to share a lovely dance with me...

However it doesn't seem like it'll happen so given how wacky our PT would be, this lady must say she wants to dance with you the most out of this playerlist...so won't you do it you coward?

Ask my delicate hand,

nicely

, with a application form! Hmpf!

where is the application form

Application Form:

Name:

Alias:

Occupation:

Interests:

Likes:

Dislikes:

Ideal date/relationship:

Spirit Animal:

Anything else you want to tell about yourself?

[Shirou]

and here I was thinking you go all out on the application Fire...you're so jaded to love *sigh*.

[Shirou]

Fire you still haven't answered me on this though:

i actually find shirou suspect for liking drapion and encouraging him.
Shirou jumped in the dance stonks for me wanting to dance with

How does that make me suspicious actually? You think I need to try hard on wanting a invite to get past day 1? quote]

[Shirou]

Fire you still haven't answered me on this though:

i actually find shirou suspect for liking drapion and encouraging him.
Shirou jumped in the dance stonks for me wanting to dance with

How does that make me suspicious actually? You think I need to try hard on wanting a invite to get past day 1?

Fixed. Should slow down a bit on the posting to double check my posts...

[Shirou]

I never paired with drapion though?

When you posted this:

i actually find shirou suspect for liking drapion and encouraging him.
Shirou jumped in the dance stonks for me wanting to dance with

I had already posted this:

Initially thought Prof could be like desperate scum here, but actually he's a gent so he can't die either way, so I'm not sure what to make of the double proposal

He's just pure okay?

He had already asked me to dance and I didn't do anything towards it, to the extent that Aris ended up pairing with him rather than me in the end. Wouldn't I have taken the bait first if what you're describing was my plan? Why rile him up and then ghost him?

[Shirou]

Well either way, if I'm the person you're most interested in dancing with, why haven't you invited me yet?

[Shirou]

u think i want to kill a possible town u?
Thats no bueno.
Got to be confident like at least 80%

So you're unsure I'm scum? Your scum hunting antennas may have gotten duller Fire...

[Shirou]

I was thinking either VPB or Shirou atp.

[Shirou]

I thought Meuh was an alt but she's apparently truly "new" (I know you have been here for almost two years but I have never played with you before so you're new on my mind!)

Well, I'm quite late to it but welcome to the site Meuh! Recently I feel like there's not many new players that stay around so I'm glad to see it happening...

(I know my join date is 2021 as well but this is an alt, I've been around since start of 2018)

Now back to the game...

u think i want to kill a possible town u?
Thats no bueno.
Got to be confident like at least 80%

So you're unsure I'm scum? Your scum hunting antennas may have gotten duller Fire...

Who says I even had any good scum hunting antenna to begin with

We could test that out. What do you think of Ausuka so far?

[Shirou]

So many ladies that seem desperate to not be left out~

[Shirou]

The funniest thing to me so far is that I kinda feel like I may be left out by the end, since I'm not genuinely trying to pair myself up yet. "Early bird gets the worm" situation perhaps?

[Shirou]

Fire is it bad if I attempt to leave you for Meuh? I pinky promise I'm town, I'm just vibing with her

p-edit: oh okay fire betrayed me first

[Shirou]

Oh my, the spring of love has come to GuiltyLion's doors

[Shirou]

scum would never pair with an ic
surely

if Fire is scum I wouldn't put it past him to gambit it

[Shirou]

So there's only midway, UNO, Fire and Meuh to pair up? One of Fire or Meuh is almost guaranteed to end up with GL so...

Only three gentlemen remaining hm...? Love hasn't come to me this time around...

I was too conceited! Oh no the shame!

[Shirou]

Well I wrote the above before GL's accepted Fire but either way...

Hmm, I'm sweating a bit here right now

Meuh...

*smiles angelically*

I can give you three shoulder massage tickets if you ask me out! Limited time offer!

[Shirou]

Baltar!

Meuh. I would love you forever you know?



Don't trust anyone else. They would break your heart eventually.

[Shirou]

Silence from Meuh...seems like being a yandere isn't that popular anymore...

so

this

is what a heartbreak feels like?!

[Shirou]

Well I'm starting to get a feeling I'll just die Day 1 here so although I don't think anyone out of very maybe Fire cares about my gut reads, I'll try to at least leave some sort of contribution in this game other than shitposting and being annoying.

Out of the top of my head I gut scumread Ausuka a bit but most importantly I think there's a good chance of one scum among the ladies that tried to speedrun having a partner.

[Shirou]

ok quick question; to what extent are we like, taking this seriously

i kind of took this as a 'meme with friends' game

Can I sheep someone this game

There's a few more posts similar to those but I think those illustrate my early issue with Ausuka the most. Asking "are we serious about this game" is the kind of awkward post that dunno, 7 out of 10 times comes from scum in my opinion and if you ask me for a source for those statistics the answer is

"I made it up"

, but really, I don't think that there's anyone that felt as lost in the game as Ausuka did so far.

Everyone was shitposting and having fun yes, but people were mostly

interacting with each other

, but Ausuka felt rather reserved and like as if she was talking to a vacuum, like she's hesitant to engage people. She mostly always reacted to others rather than engaging anyone herself, and she stopped posting soon after finding a partner. I know it sounds like a silly case, and well it's the first few pages so it's only expected to grasp at straws a bit, but although I'm too lazy to do it right now, I could eventually (if I don't die before that I guess) give some past examples of scum having "awkward" entrances like this where they are reserved on engaging people directly and just say stuff for the sake of saying it rather than having fun talking nonsense.

[Shirou]

Out of the top of my head I gut scumread Ausuka a bit

Huh, I thought you were scumreading me for asking if people wanted to take the game seriously. Is it a gut read now?

Well I think it's minor enough to be considered a "gut read"?

I don't categorize gut reads as having necessarily no reason behind it, I see it more as reads that you know are based on heavy interpretation of someone's posts. I feel like you may also be acting this way here because of how your mood is at the moment in RL? It's also been years since I last played with you so I don't remember too well if those sort of posts are typical of you or not, it may be your personality.

So, "gut read" for me it is. I can easily be wrong...or right.

[Shirou]

I also think the idea that I haven't been interacting with people is nonsense to the point I really think he started from that conclusion and made up things to justify it rather than reaching it organically

maybe saying you weren't "interacting" with people is a bit too much, but it felt like you were just reacting to me and posting anything that came to mind for the sake of posting rather than because you were having fun having banter with people.

You aren't wrong that the way I'm going about this isn't completely organically, I think I may just be left out so I'm trying to share the unique thing I've at the moment, part because it feels embarrassing if I die before contributing to

anything

, but part also because maybe trying to solve something will light the fire on Meuh's heart?!

I want her to just ask me out already, this is such a fun playerlist, I don't want to die so early or have a partner that isn't as active as me. I want to spam in the PT you know?

[Shirou]

idk I mean, I'd like to hear from other people if they see what shirou is getting at here and if anyone agrees my early game actually sounds like I wasn't having fun bantering with my friends. If this is something people actually feel that might not be scummy but I do not see it at all

Hmm, you're again talking to some sort of "audience".

[Shirou]

I do not think 447 is even remotely good faith and am actively scumreading Shiro now

Although the setup means that doesn't really matter so lole

My first concrete scum read in this game, how bittersweet! (I mean Ausuka's read on me, not mine on her)



Fire, see? you took too long, so someone else already took my first now.

[Shirou]

uh oh what happens if I start scum reading my beloved

see Ausuka? you need to calm down, or the gentlemen may start to dislike you!

Breath in~

Breath out~

Do you really think I'm scum right now? I didn't accept Drapion asking me out, and I kinda ignored a bit later on fireisredsir's seemingly interest on pairing up with me. Sure I'm being a bit more forceful about getting paired up now but it's because there's not that many gentlemen left. I'm trying to get us past the memes and into some sort of discussion.

This is all only "superficially" towny though, true, but do you've any sort of rationale on why I can be scum other than thinking I'm engaging out of "bad faith"?

I'm not saying it is, but even if I was partially making up my read on you to get us into discussing something at least, is that really scummy or it's just your defensive mechanisms kicking in? (I feel like we often get defensive as either alignment so that part specifically isn't an accusation)

[Shirou]

I do not think 447 is even remotely good faith and am actively scumreading Shiro now

Although the setup means that doesn't really matter so lole

Instantly trying to say I'm scum when I begin to push you for what some see as "grasping at straws" is exactly what Andante did to me in one of my last games here...and she was scum. That doesn't say much about you at all but so far you're doing everything I would expect scum!you to do and I want you to help me be proven wrong about my guess in your alignment if I'm in fact wrong about it. As hard as it may be if you're a townie indignant that I'm pushing you, going into hard self-defense mode doesn't help anyone including you.

[Shirou]

she does bristle as town when she gets pushed

Oh really? That's actually a bummer, it makes it a bit more unlikely that she's scum perhaps. Not yet convinced she isn't though.

[Shirou]

I don't think there's a real gain for scum!ausuka to push shirou!town here because if it works, shirou gets left out, and that just signal boosts the scumread on Ausuka?

the comparison you're making shea is different because scum!ausuka in pictures needs to elim you to win the game.

I don't think scum is usually nearly as rational as you're trying to say here.

Scum don't necessarily think too much about the different scenarios of how the gamestate can develop with their actions, they most often just focus on trying to replicate what they perceive as their "town game", or what they see as town behavior in general, and hope that they'll not get voted. They may also later on think about pushing someone that seems easy to miseliminate or something along those nights, maybe a mechanical night plan, but my experience as a scum enthusiast is that there's sadly not enough thought put into it more often than not, because most don't even enjoy being scum in the first place.

[Shirou]

she does bristle as town when she gets pushed

Oh really? That's actually a bummer, it makes it a bit more unlikely that she's scum perhaps. Not yet convinced she isn't though.

this is the last time i pushed ausuka town in d1;

viewtopic.php?p=13463519#p13463519

she is pretty quick on the omgus button

Maybe it's just town!Ausuka hitting the OMGUS button as you're saying, but if she is scum I would expect her to also do this same OMGUS behavior when my "accusations" are kinda "light"/easy to dismiss?

If I wanted to tryhard I would begin looking for how much she does this whole "talking to an audience/no one in particular" thing versus engaging people directly or non-reactively, I think that may be a more relevant tell if we were to discuss meta

(hint: I don't know about you but I don't want to get too much into meta stuff because it rarely ever works for me. Most of my "deep meta" reads are wrong, taking just a tiny bit of meta in consideration works better for me)

[Shirou]

part of it is that I've made posts similar to the effort one before a lot because it just seems like a common sense thing to ask in a game that is likely to be memey. why would I not want to gauge how much effort I'm going to have to put into this game? A quick example is this viewtopic.php?p=10996222#p10996222

I also think I have said something similar in marathon games which you have played with me but that is going to require me looking back through the forum files to verify.

The game you linked to is kinda "bastard" by the fact that people outside of the game could post it, and marathon games are often not serious/very casual. In those contexts it does make a bit more sense to ask "are we going to seriously play mafia or not" because it's clearly an unusual situation, but this is just a normal dance large theme even if there's a familiar playerlist to you. It's a question that feels harder to think it would come as naturally to you, but fair point, you have done it in the past even if I think the context was substantially different.

[Shirou]

To be clear I do not remember shiro to actually remember me saying that but like

Idk I don't remember him making a big deal out of it before, although that does again require verifying, and since he hasn't been playing mafia since like around then I wouldn't have expected his views to change that much.

Also if I have done it around him as town before it seems unlikely that it would gut ping him on a subconscious level.

Heh, I should one day make a compilation of my weirdest scum reads that ended up being right. I do often have "unusual" pings about stuff people may not think it's alignment indicative, and I guess even if I get some right the question is if it was truly alignment indicative or just a coincidence, but either way yeah Norwe isn't here to fact-check that but maybe Fire can a bit? My read on scum!Andante was also rather "random" like this in our last game wasn't it Fire?

[Shirou]

i think shirou and Ausuka are town.

If one is not, i would lean Shirou.

So rude. Well, but I guess that's only expected of a gentlemen that leaves a fair lady like me forever waiting for a proposal under acid rain.

[Shirou]

i think shirou and Ausuka are town.

If one is not, i would lean Shirou.

So rude. Well, but I guess that's only expected of a gentlemen that leaves a fair lady like me forever waiting for a proposal under acid rain.

I mean......I did want to dance with u, but if im wrong and ur town like i said a half dozen times. I would feel bad about leaving u.

I know, I feel like there's both potential town or scum motivation for you not pairing up with me here so to me at the moment it's NAI, but I'm just feeling petty for not being paired up yet you know? Being left out in D1 on such a promising game is rather disappointing, I suppose I was self-conceited enough to think that after a few people saying it may be fun to pair up with me, I wouldn't have too much trouble surviving D1, so I focused on laying around to see who were the most desperate people to accept an invite and survive...not sure that was a good idea on hindsight huh. Didn't expect it all to happen so fast, thought people would try to feel each other more before settling down.

[Shirou]

Actually maybe Ausuka and Irrelephent were being kinda awkward in those first 7 pages.

More amazing takes like that to come after I get my weekly groceries

Seems like I'm not alone after all hmmmm?

[Shirou]

Actually maybe Ausuka and Irrelephent were being kinda awkward in those first 7 pages.

More amazing takes like that to come after I get my weekly groceries

Seems like I'm not alone after all hmmmm?

Alone in what?

On having this take:

Ausuka and Irrelephent were being kinda awkward in those first 7 pages.

I shared it before you did, maybe you missed that, either way I only said that about Ausuka though, I feel like Irrel may just be noping out of the game for it being so spammy (I'm assuming that the fact there's "geriatric" in his signature means that he doesn't like games that are too fast/spammy/meme-y), but I could be convinced otherwise about Irrel perhaps.

[Shirou]

Also...

Meuh, I know Baltar is dreamy, but I want you to choose

me

you know?

I was putting up an act of being a bad girl because I read on a suspicious magazine tossed by the side of the street that it was popular with the gentlemen! I'm in fact, deep down, and I truly mean

deep down

; on the deepest depths of my deep unconscious that may be buried so deep within that you may want to ask a bulldozer for help there,

I'm

a romantic pure lady looking for salvation and meaning in love at this fateful ballad tonight.

If this lady was to be left alone without your princely figure at her side by the end of the day, I'm not sure she could take it. I think she perhaps would become so revolted towards life that she would need to cope by forever consequentially annoying her neighbors upon screaming "I'VE BECOMEEE SO NUMBBBB" by Linkin Park at the shower. It would shatter to pieces her romantic self the need to accept that there'll be no white knight in shining armor coming to save her from leaving the dance. No one to transform her into Cinderella even if just this once.

All that said...Yours truly, Shirou

THE

Fair Lady, is gonna leave you with a last heartfelt message. If and when you open it, I hope you know what to do.

The unique thing left to be said is...

Spoiler:

PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME

JUST PICK MEEEEEEEEEEEEE WON'T YOUUUUUU???!!!!!

[Shirou]

I wanted to give Baltar the chance to sway me before committing and now he has had that chance, soooooo...

I cannot leave a maiden all lonely and sad! Everyone deserves salvation and Shirou, you are no exception! I'm confident we can find the meaning of love together. I cannot force you to listen to Linkin Park, it'd be oh so cruel of me! You won't be Cinderella only for this night, there will be no spell that ends at midnight, truly an endless dance, intertwining our hearts forever and forever and forever...

Oh, lady Shirou, will you accept my heartfelt proposal to a dance?

Yes!

I ACCEPT!

[Shirou]

Hmmm, I really thought Meuh would choose Baltar and I would have no one to spam with on the PT even if I was picked later. What a tragic course of events that was avoided mhm.
Thank you Meuh! I promise to be 25% less toxic to you, consider it a

steal

of a deal

Now that I finally got what I wanted I'm a bit tired of posting so I'll tone down for a bit.

Either way,

Happy New Year

to everyone!

(To anyone weird enough to be interested into my annoying ramblings, I was typing up the below when I got surprised by Meuh's post, felt kinda a waste to forever delete my meaningless effort so I'm putting it here as an ?alternative ending?)

Spoiler:

Now having been there, and having done

that

(as in, throwing my pride as a human being upon begging to have my unrequited love answered!), I'm overcome with a weird sense of liberation "folks".

I'm no longer the lady that I was yesterday, or even a few minutes ago. Standing here I realize; having something as pesky as pride is just a detriment towards self-growth. It's already been a few seconds since I ordered some new books as well, one of them having the title of "It's not your fault's, it's everyone else's. Trust me." resonated deeply within me somehow and almost brought me to tears. I could only nod my head.

A friend of mine always tell me that I'm secretly a masochist; that I put a tough front and mistreat others but behind the curtains enjoy being stomped by people. I still think she's completely and utterly wrong, the fact I have a blissful smile even while on a humiliating position like right now is merely due to my "mental fortitude" okay? I'm not enjoying it. I'm

not

enjoying being a drama queen.

"Not"

,

got me

?

Even if I'm rejected in the front of

thousands

of spectators like in here (source? I made it up.) I'll walk towards the setting sun, with a shy smile on my face and waving my hands backward like as if I was in a low-budget Hollywood movie (that I only got a role for flirting with the director). My final words would be

Happy New Year

everyone!

[Shirou]

Welcome Norwe!

I've a proposition to you during D2:

What's yours is mine, and what is mine is mine. Therefore if you accept this amazing deal I say we start to wagon Ausuka together as soon as intermission is over. What do you think about that plan hm?

[Shirou]

What...

Norwe? Using a

male

avatar?

I see. So the rumored "New World Order" has started already hm...that's so soon. I thought it would take longer for errors in the matrix to start to show up.

[Shirou]

part of it is that I've made posts similar to the effort one before a lot because it just seems like a common sense thing to ask in a game that is likely to be memey. why would I not want to gauge how much effort I'm going to have to put into this game? A quick example is this viewtopic.php?p=10996222#p10996222

I also think I have said something similar in marathon games which you have played with me but that is going to require me looking back through the forum files to verify.

The game you linked to is kinda "bastard" by the fact that people outside of the game could post it, and marathon games are often not serious/very casual. In those contexts it does make a bit more sense to ask "are we going to seriously play mafia or not" because it's clearly an unusual situation, but this is just a normal dance large theme even if there's a familiar playerlist to you. It's a question that feels harder to think it would come as naturally to you, but fair point, you have done it in the past even if I think the context was substantially different.

i mean, i definitely got the sense that this might be not serious/very casual. but whatever maybe im just being awkward and annoying again

Ausuka I was partially trying to do some work back there thinking I may not be around after intermission, so I didn't put too much consideration into my choice of words, if that offended you, I'm sorry.

I still think you're more likely to be scum here than town but when I said you were being "awkward", I

didn't

mean to say it as a description of you as a

person

if you ever interpreted it that way ok? As a person you're fun to be around in my opinion, one of the reasons I wanted to join this game in the first place was because I saw familiar faces in the playerlist and it reminded me good memories I had playing with them, and you are part of that (although you may not remember much of our marathon games! ).

I'm just saying this because somehow I got the sense that my description of your posts being "awkward" hurt you personally regardless of your alignment, and I hope that clears it up a bit if that's really the case. All I meant by "awkwardness" here is that I felt you didn't know what to talk about because you felt reserved about the prospects of engaging people directly rather than making general/vague comments or reacting to what others had already said. You aren't annoying.

[Shirou]

Do you really think I'm scum right now? I didn't accept Drapion asking me out, and I kinda ignored a bit later on fireisredsir's seemingly interest on pairing up with me. Sure I'm being a bit more forceful about getting paired up now but it's because there's not that many gentlemen left. I'm trying to get us past the memes and into some sort of discussion.

stuff like this is what I was referring to btw

Huh, to be honest now that I think about it I would also give a light scum lean to a random person that posted that...as Fire's said though, this kind of low-key LAMIST approach on describing my "good acts" isn't that unusual from me. However I'm not here to make a meta defense post, what I truly want to say is that I

was

being a bit of a tryhard there to perhaps ?delude? Meuh or other gentlemen that I'm gonna eventually gonna be a good two-shoes and solve the game properly. I was getting a bit worried about my survival prospects, so I switched gears and tryharded gloriously in an effort to sell people to the lie that my unique or most defining trait isn't being annoying.

I'm sorry for the deceit...and I would do it again.

[Shirou]

Ausuka I was partially trying to do some work back there thinking I may not be around after intermission, so I didn't put too much consideration into my choice of words, if that offended you, I'm sorry.

I still think you're more likely to be scum here than town but when I said you were being "awkward", I didn't mean to say it as a description of you as a person if you ever interpreted it that way ok? As a person you're fun to be around in my opinion, one of the reasons I wanted to join this game in the first place was because I saw familiar faces in the playerlist and it reminded me good memories I had playing with them, and you are part of that (although you may not remember much of our marathon games! ).

I'm just saying this because somehow I got the sense that my description of your posts being "awkward" hurt you personally regardless of your alignment, and I hope that clears it up a bit if that's really the case. All I meant by "awkwardness" here is that I felt you didn't know what to talk about because you felt reserved about the prospects of engaging people directly rather than making general/vague comments or reacting to what others had already said. You aren't annoying.

Spoiler:

sorry if i worried you, i do not actually think you meant it in a negative way or anything

i don't want to go into it too much but my feelings were just like, when i'm talking to my friends i really don't want to be perceived as awkward, and i was worried that people do see me that way? but that's probably my fault because without going into it too much this is the kind of thing im really sensitive about mentally to the point where sometimes my brain distorts things beyond what makes sense. this is probably a case of that and i'll be able to talk more reasonably after i get some sleep

Spoiler:

I know it's hard to stop your own mind from working against you in those cases even if others tell you so, but really, you're fine Ausuka. Hope you get some nice rest as well tonight

[Shirou]

Do you really think I'm scum right now? I didn't accept Drapion asking me out, and I kinda ignored a bit later on fireisredsir's seemingly interest on pairing up with me. Sure I'm being a bit more forceful about getting paired up now but it's because there's not that many gentlemen left. I'm trying to get us past the memes and into some sort of discussion.

stuff like this is what I was referring to btw

Huh, to be honest now that I think about it I would also give a light scum lean to a random person that posted that...as Fire's said though, this kind of low-key LAMIST approach on describing my "good acts" isn't that unusual from me. However I'm not here to make a meta defense post, what I truly want to say is that I

was

being a bit of a tryhard there to perhaps ?delude? Meuh or other gentlemen that I'm gonna eventually gonna be a good two-shoes and solve the game properly. I was getting a bit worried about my survival prospects, so I switched gears and tryharded gloriously in an effort to sell people to the lie that my unique or most defining trait isn't being annoying.

I'm sorry for the deceit...and I would do it again.

i have no idea how to read this post lol

Thank you for the compliment!

[Shirou]

shirou is the funniest poster in this game

aww, thanks! but also +1 this:

i wouldn't sell urself short ydra

I always wonder if I'm being entertaining or if I'm just being cringe and annoying to be quite honest. Being a jester in the digital age is a rather difficult effort you see, how can you know you're putting up a good show if you can't hear their laughter or see their smiles from your screen?

[Shirou]

Hey norwee how u been btw haven't talked in ages

Not too bad, better now that you’re here.

Hm, wow. Unironically...It feels like you were Isekai'd to a shoujo manga and just came back from the trip.

I never knew you could deliver such smooth lines huh...well, fortunately I'm already committed so you won't be able to sway my heart so easily, novice homewrecker!

Spoiler: Hmpf

[Shirou]

I think Meuh is a very good fit for you Shirou.
I’m not saying that because i think it’s certain you’re both town. But personality-wise.

Hm? You're certain I'm town?

[Shirou]

I think Meuh is a very good fit for you Shirou.
I’m not saying that because i think it’s certain you’re both town. But personality-wise.

Hm? You're certain I'm town?

I appreciate the desire to be wanted and trusted by me darling. But unfortunately my love and trust is reserved for my one and only special one. Read the post again, i was saying that you two make a good match based on personality.

Well just confirming it because I felt like you could interpret it both ways

[Shirou]

I was about to say I would pick Cakez over Enchant because I feel more confident on figuring out Cakez's alignment eventually rather than Enchant's (although I'm not confident on either of them, enchant is just more ?mysterious? to me), however upon reading Enchant's ISO...that does feel like town out of the sheer lack of "control"?

It doesn't feel like Enchant's posting have as much "overarching potential goal" as Cakez's? Cakez is trying to kinda contribute (for genuine reasons or to be town read as scum), but Enchant talked about mech for a bit and then just "quit it". Hm, rather weird to not want to engage in the dance mechanics when you signed up for...a dance game? I'm not trying to take a dig on you here even if it looks like that Enchant, just puzzled on how easy you "gave up on it" even though you signed up for the game.

[Shirou]

ngl Datisi has been clean with it so far

yeah, he's doing a really good job

[Shirou]

That's...a very interesting pop-in.

[Shirou]

Not really, just skimmed and saw wondering if i am sleep.

where did you start reading by and when? like, 15 minutes ago? 30 minutes ago? 5 minutes ago?

[Shirou]

Please Enchant if possible I would really like for you to answer my question, depending on the answer I don't know, I could even try to white knight here because I think your popping in is one of the most potentially alignment indicative things that has happened in the game.

[Shirou]

Why wouldn't I

Idk go blast Meuh.

Could you explain that

I can try to give a summary of it after Enchant replies me, but I also found something that makes me think it may all be a coincidence and not as AI as it usually is.

I could even try to white knight here

okay yeah maybe that's a bad idea and I'm getting flashbacks but uhh, I just wanted him to reply me so I tried to offer a sweet deal.

Carrot and stick method...?

[Shirou]

/shrug

You can't say I didn't try to read you Enchant.

Basically to explain to those curious since he's adamant about not talking, I believe that when someone that isn't posting for awhile suddenly pops-in on a short time period (usually a few minutes or less) to defend themselves or even just to reply someone mentioning them/attacking them, they're almost guaranteed scum for a simple reason:

It's an

incredibly

coincidence if they logged on just such a short time window and also coincidentally began to read by the last post rather than by where they left the game last time. It can theoretically happen, but the more you think about it it's rather mathematically unlikely. The much more reasonable theory is that they were reading the game along without posting for a long time which is ultra scum behavior rarely done by any townies. Reading the game without posting on it

and

also only posting when mentioned is more often than not due to a lack of caring about solving the game but caring about other people perceptions of you, which is survivalist.

It may sound silly but that almost guaranteed to me scum!Johnny in Black Flag TM 2021 and scum!Andante in the last game I played with Fire/Norwe. Right when we began to attack them, they just popped in even though they hadn't apparently been following the game. I don't have a large sample of it happening but I consider it as one of my most solid tells given how mathematically unlikely it is to be a coincidence?

Unhappily though, I do feel like Enchant' case may just be a coincidence given he posted elsewhere on a similar timestamp.

[Shirou]

I think Enchant is more likely town than not but I tried to engage him and he dismissed it so...dunno, hate to say it but Cakez may be a more interesting choice to bring to next day if Enchant don't wanna try even the minimum.

[Shirou]

I frequently check the last few posts before i check the rest of the thread even catching up.

Perhaps. But don't try to reduce the tell to only that.

It needs to be:

1) Someone that hasn't posted for awhile
2) Someone that posts very shortly after being mentioned

It also consequentially needs to be someone that has a habit of checking out the last posts while catching up, and that weirdly doesn't post anything while catching up with the game for a long time.

It's just mathematically unlikely that all of them end up together and it's all a coincidence of the player truly logging in the site right when they were mentioned. One of those behaviors alone is much more common of course.

[Shirou]

Now I'm about to get drunk so anything i say after the above post should be taken with a enormous amount of salt because I'm bad with alcohol. Or perhaps...some of you may think it's me being more "honest"? I may also just fall asleep considering how tired I feel at the moment.

[Shirou]

not okay

[Shirou]

I think I broke my modem last night so huh, I guess I'm a phone player now? My posts are gonna be much more short and boring as a result until it's fixed. The most notable thing to me about the last pages is that Irrel's hard misrepped me by saying that I "made up" my read on Ausuka. Intentionally pushing it more than you normally would isn't anything close to "making it up". I may be mistaken but I think no one, including Cakez which is scum leaning me apparently, had that interpretation of my post. This isn't a OMGUS, I think Cakez's read on me is NAI, I think Ausuka's read on me isn't that important on how I read her, but Irrel's saying I made it all up when I'm still pushing Ausuka? It makes no sense as a natural conclusion, it's just cheap shading. If I had "made up" my read but am still pushing it currently, it would be basically a scumclaim, and before you try to correct yourself Irrel, you didn't treat what I did as essentially a scumclaim, just as something "bad/scummy". Maybe BP was right about Irrel's, and it doesn't help his case to me that I think there's scum on the ladies side of the hastily made groups. I'm disappointed I can't properly 1v1 him today.

[Shirou]

I don't know who I like more between Ausuka and Irrel as scum, perhaps Irrel because it's harder to me to understand how he could get not only that conclusion about me, but also even if he misinterpreted me, how he didn't scumread me MORE when I kept pushing Ausuka even after pairing up with Meuh. I know it may not sound like a big case but to me it kinda is a bit, not only his conclusion don't seem natural to me, his reaction at his own conclusion also don't seem natural.

[Shirou]

I don't know who I like more between Ausuka and Irrel as scum, perhaps Irrel because it's harder to me to understand how he could get not only that conclusion about me, but also even if he misinterpreted me, how he didn't scumread me MORE when I kept pushing Ausuka even after pairing up with Meuh. I know it may not sound like a big case but to me it kinda is a bit, not only his conclusion don't seem natural to me, his reaction at his own conclusion also don't seem natural.

HI Meuh, coming from yours truly, Shirou, that handed you guys the most recent talk of the town thriller movie featuring renowned actress Ausuka, comes the sequel "The double life of a shady elephant". I hope I can soon hear your review on it, personally I feel like it's a step up to me as a director. We are yet to see if it sells as well as the predecessor, and if it would give us a award in the end, but I...must believe in my productions, it's my life calling right now to gain the oscar in the upcoming voting.

[Shirou]

Oh and happy new year!

Happy New Year!

Thanks for sharing your take on Irrel, seems I'm also not alone on being puzzled at his conclusion that I "made up" my read on Ausuka.

[Shirou]

u know whats funny, the only people interested in my hero solves tend to be scum. Datisi from house of dragons wanted me to solve the game while i was in his pocket. And a few other games.

So ari asking for it could be a red flag. Might want to think that one over too. Don't want to be getting in the pocket of scum again.

Oh, I skimmed right through it but I suppose I should ask you about it then? Helping the tale to consolidate and all.

if I make it on your list I want a cool nickname.

The hero solves always get cool nicknames.
I got to pick a theme though for this game for the scum team.

I am thinking of something like horror movies.

I seem to be on the list as well so can I also get a personal evil nickname? Make it flashy.

Either way, there's been some interesting points made about Ari in the last pages.

[Shirou]

I feel so tired, and pre-game isn't even over either. It's taking more time to end the phase than it took to get near the end.

[Shirou]

It's probably just my hate for reading and typing on mobile though?

[Shirou]

Oh boy...is it

finally

my time to shine?

If Meuh is ever a wolf in sheep clothing here, will my childhood dream of being an abusive, violent and toxic wife be realized in the end?

I've been training so many WWE movies since elementary school just for this moment. I simply cannot wait to see if I will be putting them in practice. Don't doubt the strength of this lady's roundhouse kicks my dear prince, my cheating ex-boyfriend would tell how

deadly

they are if he was still

alive

.

I will be waiting for you at our dinner table (aka PT) tonight Meuh. The food and everything else will be on me, the unique thing I want from you is a fitting attire to the occasion. Personally? I recommend old european armor; very resistant to blunt damage.

Don't you forget:

I

love

you

very much

.

I'm not sure if I could remain living on in a

world without you

after all.

[Shirou]

Well, I have to play the part of the yandere wife but between just the 16 of us, I want to believe Meuh is town. I may not have gotten past D1 in this game if not for her so if she's town I would feel horrible for leaving her on a misread. I guess I will try to do my best efforts on reading her, but it's a shame that the quality of my reads is often a bit inversely proportional to the effort I put on them...

[Shirou]

What...you don't like theater?

How unrefined of you statusquo, I thought you were supposed to be a gentleman you know?

[Shirou]

i do sort of agree with him that ur acting a bit over the top even for yourself

Spoiler: For Fire's eyes only, meaningless post

Well Fire, when I'm the most honest I am usually considered the most suspicious, but I will still tell you anyway why of that.

I think I just don't care as much about my town games anymore, but even if I did, if I was to get too serious there's a good chance it would just become a trainwreck. In my last game (Guiltylion was there, ask him) I was very negative utility to town because I convinced people to do the wrong thing, and that's something quite frequent on all my town games that became a trainwreck; I consider myself a big part of the cause. Even in TM 2021 Black Flag which I consider one of my best performances as town, had I been wrong on Auro that game would have turned into a trainwreck as well, again I feel because of me, but since I was right on Auro my play was "good" and we stomped scum.

I don't want my games to so often turn dramatic, so I'm trying to play more casually, but if I'm not trying to warp the game to go along with me like a drama queen I need to entertain myself with something else, so I keep making that sort of posts I guess?

I will probably still deathtunnel someone eventually but I'm trying to hold back here, and it's genuinely a bit easier because I kinda have given up about improving my town game beyond what I already can do. I will not become as good as the town players I admired/wanted to copy and that's fine to me by now.

I think I'm better fit to be part of the supporting cast in town games, and maybe I'm wrong but I believe one of my best abilities as town is to get a wagon going when I want it as long as I don't get too emotional/implode/am patient. Used in the wrong direction it's been proven to be very detrimental to both wincon and "fun", so it's

one

of the reasons I'm acting more over the top like this.

[Shirou]

It's less the form than the function that i find over the top if that makes any sense.

Seems like narratively in terms of thread momentum it piles on meuh in a way that allows you to not actually take any credit for creating that pressure yourself.

Why would I want credit of it? And how? That argument would be valid if this wasn't a dance game and Meuh my partner. Dead man don't take credits, they already are at the rolling credits screen you know?

[Shirou]

It's less the form than the function that i find over the top if that makes any sense.

Seems like narratively in terms of thread momentum it piles on meuh in a way that allows you to not actually take any credit for creating that pressure yourself.

Why would I want credit of it? And how? That argument would be valid if this wasn't a dance game and Meuh my partner. Dead man don't take credits, they already are at the rolling credits screen you know?

this is a reasonable mech point, wouldn't make any sense for you to try to trade yourself for your town partner.

I need to get out of normal mafia mode, mb.

I magnanimously forgive your push on me mhm. I need to try to remember that scum TM game from you, your takes so far sound organic but I remember wrongly town leaning you for something similar

[Shirou]

I'm good at replicating my town game as scum and I'm bad at correctly reading people as town, which helps with the first thing.

You're probably underselling yourself but this sort of argument reminds me of certain players that were known to not be good at replicating their town game as scum and therefore it made their town game stronger since they were almost unable to be miseliminated by the scum team...

[Shirou]

I must say, I miss a bit the town reads that would usually appear by now when I was more solvy. Other than maybe TSQ push on me, people read on me feel...kinda random and biased? Maybe Cakez's isn't bad either. I think they are all negative reads as well though.

One of the ways I like sorting is based on people's read on me (It's not OMGUS I swear!) so I hope people will try their luck on my slot on more details if they haven't already?

In fact, @Norwe, what's your take on me here?

[Shirou]

I am very much prepared for tonight's dinner, lady Shirou! The food will surely be

lovely

, though not nearly as wonderful as you, truly!

I've worn the armour you recommended, though I hope it doesn't end up being a necessity, how

tragic

this would be! Oh my! A dinner together organized by you would be the perfect opportunity to slip some poison in the poor prince's cup of wine, but you would never do such a thing, right?

Right?

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Spoiler:

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Of course not

my dear!

But...would you even believe me on that?

I can feel it and I bet that so can you. Recently the distance between us has been growing. Rumors all around the town about how each of us are cheaters affiliated with a non-monogamous group, set on their goal of destroying all couples in this coutryside city...

Given all that, you probably wouldn't believe me completely if I said I wouldn't do that to my prince just out of love, would you? I said bad things about you publicly to save face after all. Even now, you may be wondering how much you can trust me to truly stay by your side to the end...

However, all that said, fret not my prince. You shall worry no longer about me laying poison on your cup of wine. Not because of love, neither because I'm trustworthy. The truth of the matter my dear...is that in my humble rundown fridge there's only cheap soda drinks...

[Shirou]

Also i’m not gonna lie, i feel a very high pressure to read you correctly since i know how you talk and think in daily life way more than anyone else here. It would suck so hard if i got you wrong.

I also feel some pressure to read you correctly, but it's been so long since I played with scum!you, not to mention what we talked some ?week? ago. I don't know what is inside or outside of your scumrange anymore.

p-edit: hope you get better soon ydra

[Shirou]

I laughed and smiled when it clicked to me that Meuh new avi was for the roleplay posting

I don't know if she's going along with my nonsense because she wants to, if it's an pocketing attempt or both, but I can only say a single thing: It's working.

If it wasn't for site rules and ethics, even if she was scum I would betray you all without a second thought!

I'm...rather easy to pocket with fluffy am not I? Firebringer also did that to me once...

[Shirou]

I'm...rather easy to pocket with fluffy am not I? Firebringer also did that to me once...

true. ur susceptible to fluff.
r u townreading me for not trying to fluff u

No, I am an addict and I don't wanna help or to overcome my flaw...I want to drown on it. If you want to get a town read from me you're probably better off writing a toc-toc joke.

Unironically though, although the fact you aren't doing it is probably positive, I feel you're a bit off here compared to your other town games with me. Just a bit.

[Shirou]

This game feels harder than usual to me, I don't have any solid town leans other than maybe Enchant and I ethically dislike my own reason for reading him that way. Fun fact is that I probably would e scum reading GuiltyLion right now if he wasn't IC. Why it feels like you have so much less presence than usual in this game GL? From what little I know of you all, you're one of if not the best scumhuter in this PL. You performed well in our last game.

So is it just because it's New Year and you're busy elsewhere or there's a reason for you having less presence here?

[Shirou]

Heh, it's in the rulesets Datisi, better prepare that flip or you will be violating the laws you know?

Surely...you aren't the kind of tyrant that changes the rules on the spot? Don't be survivalistic now, it would be even wolfier.

I will run the show after you die, I know everyone alignments anyway. Just trust me to it mkay?

VOTE: Datisi

[Shirou]

I hope people will try their luck on my slot on more details if they haven't already?

also in 786, u said you could potentially white knight Enchant for his pop-in, but then you explain that those types of pop-ins typically come from wolves. So on what basis were u going to wk him?

He was reluctant to talk so I tried to seem like I'm on his side to see if that made it easier for him to spill the beans.

If he talked and convinced me for a good reason that he was town, I may have campaigned harder for him over Cakez, but not playing the game feels bad to protect. I am talking about experience right @GuiltyLion...

[Shirou]

My Ausuka read has wavered a bit, but my Irrel one not so much

[Shirou]

Ok full stop I think Cakez may be scum and Enchant you need to stop being a bigger drama queen than me.

I have no energy at the moment and I am still trying to understand this, however there's two main things calling my attention right now about Cakez and I wiĺl try to explain it briefly.

[Shirou]

The first one is something Ari pointed out, Cakez says he scumread StD/Irrel pair for a skirt jacket joke, but that never happened. He is purely operating off Ari's recap. Not reading/paying attention to the game isn't scummy per se although I would argue that statically speaking it comes more often from scum than town, I pay much less attention/read random posts as scum than town.

However, scum reading posts you have never read out of a recap

IS

scummy. It makes little sense, you would need to know the tone of the posts to have a read on it, not impossible but super weird for town to get a "read" this way.

Now the second point is even weirder and ridiculous but still, I am starting to believe on it and it deserves a post of its own.

[Shirou]

Also Enchant if you're town and I manage to convince most that Cakez has good odds of being scum here, I believe your attitude would classify as playing against your supposed wincon. If it comes to that I advice you to just stop for outside game reasons.

[Shirou]

Like I literally have not had a good Mafia game in years and then bam wrecked again

This post is really weird. What I say next may sound ridiculous and I dismissed it for the same reason initially, but understand the context here:

This was just right after Midway proposed to Enchant, and Enchant back then was talking about how he wouldn't be invited, but never said anything about not wanting to play. I for one assumed Cakez was good as dead back then and it was one of his last posts since Midway/Enchant would be the last pair.

I assumed he meant "Mafia" as a game and not alignment, It sounded obvious to me, but then just out of curiosity I went to check when his last game was, it sounded like it had been a long time since he played, but that's when it began to get weird, Cakez has played a

lot

of games in 2022/end of 2021 in my opinion:

He was in Open 866 (town), Micro 1062 (town), Mini 2281 (town), TFT upick (town), Mini 2260 (town), Mini 2254 (town), Large 239 (town), Mafia Invictus (town), Micro 1033 (town), Mini 2243 (town).

It's hard to imagine he hasn't had at least one game above where it was kinda "good", at least a bit. (This is probably the point by how he's gonna try to defuse this "case"). However although I don't have time to read to read so many games to find which ones he seemed to enjoy, I found this on one of my first skims, in Micro 1062:

Spoiler:

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

cakez how does it feel to finally take down your nemesis

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

The above game was a town stomp where they won splendidly against scum!pooky, to which he had lost in LyLo as town in the previous Mini 2260. Sounds like a "good" game to me.

On the contrary, I could only find one game he rolled scum in this period, Open 854.

He

lost it

.

I think given the above, what makes the most sense to me is that Cakez hasn't rolled scum too much lately neither has had good performances on the role when he did, so he was disappointed to be eliminated first here and expressed that by the end because he thought he was as good as dead.

[Shirou]

It would be a big "coincidence" if his recent past performance and roll rate as scum perfectly fit what that post tries to express if he was scumclaiming as a last post.

It may or not be the case but I think the odds are pretty high. Maybe we shouldn't risk embarrassingly game throwing if this is all true?

[Shirou]

Also Enchant if you're town and I manage to convince most that Cakez has good odds of being scum here, I believe your attitude would classify as playing against your supposed wincon. If it comes to that I advice you to just stop for outside game reasons.

Million flies can't be wrong.

Even if you convince other players, it will weakly affect my mind. Therefore, i am not sure on what you pressuring.

You behavior here is the exact equivalent of not hammering a common suspect at EoD because you're self voting and want others to bend to your will. No one in this case would argue that it's not anti wincon behavior if you're town and likewise I dare any mods to try to argue with me here that it's not anti wincon behavior here if you're town (perhaps even if you're scum).

If you don't stop I will unhappily need to resort to reporting you Enchant, what should, if the mods are fair, result in a ban of week(s) or at least forced replacement.

I don't want to do that Enchant, I

want to play with you here

, and so have others expressed that. The critics are from the defeatist attitude, and I know what it's like to feel you aren't enough, but you're Enchant, so please, can't you help us eliminate potential scum here?

Please?

I have even wasted my lunch break on this. I am serious Enchant. Pretty please.

[Shirou]

It would be a big "coincidence" if his recent past performance and roll rate as scum perfectly fit what that post tries to express if he was scumclaiming as a last post.

It may or not be the case but I think the odds are pretty high. Maybe we shouldn't risk embarrassingly game throwing if this is all true?

Eh, seems like a reach and psychologizing. I understand not wanting to be left out of the game regardless of alignment

Right...Do you have any actual arguments now?

Cakez has had good town games recently, but he

hasn't

had a good "MAFIA" game in "YEARS"

That's why he felt he got "WRECKED AGAIN".

I literally posted a town game where he seemingly had a good performance. His post borderline doesn't make sense if he's using "mafia" as a game rather than alignment.

I can be wrong but I don't think it's something we an ignore when it's so relatively easy to avoid not punishing him for the subtle scumcllaim if he's scum.

[Shirou]

Almost thought I would need to parade to convince you guys of it. The tells that feel random or detail-heavy are better most of the time imo. Either thanks Enchant for saving me from needing to create more drama, I appreciate you.

[Shirou]

Now how to say this...I want to reread and let the game flow for awhile but I do think I know who/where 2/3 of the remaining scum are?

Could be wrong but I feel good about the solve.

[Shirou]

Let's dance people.

*offer my hand to my princely Meuh*

[Shirou]

Borderline some amazing scum gambit, I guess we can agree that midway & Enchant is a town pair as well?

[Shirou]

How cute of you TSQ, but I do think I can give you guys at least one more scum before walking into the sunset. Would that be enough to prove or at least near prove my innocence to a demanding gentleman like you?

Well, not that my innocence alone is enough in a dance/pair game.

[Shirou]

Borderline some amazing scum gambit, I guess we can agree that midway & Enchant is a town pair as well?

why midway is town though

I think it begins to really stretch a tinfoil theory that it was a scum gambit when midway never invited Cakez even after you refusing it multiple times and so many people talking about just wanting to end the day. No one would have held it against midway if they invited you after you refusing to dance at first.

However also, the disappointment that Cakez felt at not being chosen at the last minute is likely real, even asking midway why they chose you in the end.

"I got wrecked again" he said. It's psychologically something that sounds like he felt outplayed by midway rather than a elaborated scum theater he would know in advance.

This can come to bite me in the ass later but usually the scumteam isn't organized enough to create such complex theater. Maybe don't let your paranoia make you overestimate the scum?

[Shirou]

The fact the first thing some of you thought is that Enchant or midway can be scum here is pretty wild. It's not even about it in my opinion being wrong, it's about the tinfoil being the first thing that came to your minds.

Either way, in my opinion one of you had some a good take, maybe good enough for a town lean even...?

Being worth another town read let me ask to the wisdom of the crowd:

If hypothetically speaking there was a "deepwolf" in this game that no one has seriously pushed or suspected yet. Who would it be?

[Shirou]

it's about the tinfoil being the first thing that came to your minds

nah I think most tinfoils probably come from town
because if one of me/enchant is scum, it's the scumteam's goal to set us up super-town for how the end of the pre-dance went
so it doesn't make sense for another scum to just start questioning it immediately imo.
In the case that me/enchant t/t, it's just a wack take that i don't think scum generally care to make (cuz they're informed we're t/t and have no reason to suspect that others don't)

I never said they were scum for it. I do still think it's a wild approach to solving though. You would be far more times wrong than right to assume tinfoil/wifom as the first/top scenario, even if you were right here. Talking from experience being way too paranoid here.

[Shirou]

Norwe if I say I've a solve how likely are you to sheep me semi-blindly here in this dayphase?

I ask the same question to you Fire, I think you're both the unique players that would consider giving me your vote without me needing to wall case and be dramatic, even if I think the chances of that happening are pretty low (especially Fire?).

[Shirou]

Enchant/Meuh can we not please

Even though I think Meuh can still be scum I feel like there's other slots almost openwolfing and neither of you are part of the icky developments. Do you really think there isn't scum trying to insert narratives here upon the cakez flip in the recent heated discussion?

[Shirou]

I would like to yeet the Fireisredsir/Ydrasse pair.

I am ok with sheeping Shirou if he asks nicely.

Why would you sheep me? Mention a town game that I performed well as town that you remember of?

[Shirou]

I would like to yeet the Fireisredsir/Ydrasse pair.

I am ok with sheeping Shirou if he asks nicely.

Why would you sheep me? Mention a town game that I performed well as town that you remember of?

Spicy I want to read a town game of u playing horribly

My last game with GL, absolute town negative utility.

That game with town you that we lost to scum Norwe as well.

I made mistakes and then emotionally imploded and when that happens you're better off ignoring me completely

[Shirou]

I would like to yeet the Fireisredsir/Ydrasse pair.

I am ok with sheeping Shirou if he asks nicely.

Why would you sheep me? Mention a town game that I performed well as town that you remember of?

the TM game where you nailed the entire scumteam.

I remember reading it a while ago, I think you had a pichu icon back then.

That was Chennis, any others?

[Shirou]

Chennis played together with me on that TM game and it was the person I interacted the most, did you actually read the game?

Why would you ever think I'm Chennis really

[Shirou]

So now that you know it was Chennis that nailed the team, would you still sheep me Ari?

[Shirou]

So now that you know it was Chennis that nailed the team, would you still sheep me Ari?

If you asked nicely I would.

Hmm...thank you!

But just to see confirm you had at least read a bit of that game right? At least most of Day 2 where Chennis nailed the team?

[Shirou]

So now that you know it was Chennis that nailed the team, would you still sheep me Ari?

If you asked nicely I would.

Hmm...thank you!

But just to see confirm you had at least read a bit of that game right? At least most of Day 2 where Chennis nailed the team?

I didn't read the game.

I remember being impressed by a pichu who nailed the entire team in a post, I thought that was you.

I was isoing to help a teammate who was in the game and mafia.

Ok but I'm just confused, how did you end up thinking I'm Chennis...?

[Shirou]

enchant is the only one voting in my scumreads.
And he wants to elim SHIROU
who i need to help me solve incase any of my scumreads are wrong.

And apparently me and Shirou need to fight on midwaybear.
This notion midwaybear can't be scum because of cakez makes zero sense to me.

Look, I told Meuh in our PT this. Sure enchant/midway could end up being scum but you need to put so much tinfoil on that cake that there's way more statistically unlikely ingredients than what a cake normally looks and tastes like?

I think the answer is simple guys, most of the time I feel it is?

[Shirou]

Like nice classic chocolate cake? Good scumplay and theater but nothing crazy

[Shirou]

To be honest I will need to say your solve is so different than mine that I'm not sure we will agree on anything in this game Fire. I am also forced to give you scum points for it because it feels like a solve made while you're ultra high and wasted to how I view the game atm ( Who knows though, you may he right and I'm the one high, or we're both high???)

[Shirou]

To be honest I will need to say your solve is so different than mine that I'm not sure we will agree on anything in this game Fire. I am also forced to give you scum points for it because it feels like a solve made while you're ultra high and wasted to how I view the game atm ( Who knows though, you may he right and I'm the one high, or we're both high???)

Well lets fight it out then!
ALSO I AM NOT HIGH SIR

I need my PC to fight and I think I'm only getting it in the weekend so...yeah, I dont wanna drop it atm because I'm not ready yet in many ways to fight 3 people + try to convince majority

[Shirou]

Also every drunkard says they aren't drunk at all you know??

[Shirou]

Firebringer locktown which is useless techically because he already was but still

i almost want to know why im locktown but....idc ur town in my book here.

You didn't instaleave with IC for lulz

It's amazing how Fire convinces us that he's this ultra anti-town troll player while in reality I have only seen him troll as scum and usually not in a way that damages his team. I was once fooled as well.

If Fire is the joker of mafia, that's his killing joke. Making you think he's this crazy wild dog when in truth he's a pretty cool and helpful doggo as either alignment!

Maybe that's just my bias on how I view him though, can't say I know that many games of him

[Shirou]

Wow doggo he, the reicarnated Shoujo character is trying to straight up asassinate your reputation...

[Shirou]

You know I said that but if we annoy him too much I do have some fear he would just dab on us by leaving here randomly. I think what may hold him back a bit of doing it is that he's with the IC, and dunno if he's really town after he posted his reads.

Dunno, maybe I'm still a bit under he spell of his

KILLING JOKE

.

[Shirou]

Fire what's your read on Ari

[Shirou]

What do you think it would be scummy of her to do then

[Shirou]

Wait is fire calling vpb scummy
What am I missing.
Vpb seems most townie player in this game

Do you think it's a scum motivated wagon then? Or do you think it's mostly t/t?

[Shirou]

Fire I'm getting worried

I don't understand your reads. STD town? Even if he was I dont understand how easily you declare that with his current ISO

[Shirou]

Getting worried over what.
I am dying at intermission or getting GL to leave me.
U don't even need to sort me.

Well, maybe, I guess? but you being potentially scum wasn't on my plans, that's sad, but you may still just be drunk or it's me being delusional

[Shirou]

I feel like since Cakez flipped it's been an all out competition of who openwolfs harder

[Shirou]

yea that's accurate.

i just enjoy the dancing and the romance more and I don't have my computer with me so ive been phoneposting and everytime i write a post it logs me out and then in and its such a pain i hate it.

Deleting cache/history + selecting the box "keep me logged" on login fixs it for awhile to me.

[Shirou]

Btw i considering to leave dance, as i strangely see sense in point's

Like if both Cakez and Mid are mafia, they don't really care who to choose: They can't win miselim from this decision, so

Enchant if you want to leave I can't stop you but can you please trust me just for today again as the person that knew Cakez was scum by the end and convinced you to accept the dance because of that?

If I don't get us another scum you can do whatever you want but can you stay at least for today?

[Shirou]

Btw i considering to leave dance, as i strangely see sense in point's

Like if both Cakez and Mid are mafia, they don't really care who to choose: They can't win miselim from this decision, so

This is also wrong for what it's worth, they could win YOUR miselimination and most people WEREN'T scumreading Cakez so they wouldn't be suspected for abandoning you.

[Shirou]

Also @Norwe could you explain detail how you locktowned me?

Ari, did that logging out stuff on phone start yesterday or so? It was when it started to me

[Shirou]

MariaR replaces Thestatusquo.

Fuck me...this game just got way harder if this is scum.

I have exactly 0 (zero) idea on how to read MariaR. Weirdly enough I don't think I have ever played with Maria before for all my time here.

Luckily enough TSQ posted enough for me to mostly focus on him

[Shirou]

MariaR replaces Thestatusquo.

Fuck me...this game just got way harder if this is scum.

I have exactly 0 (zero) idea on how to read MariaR. Weirdly enough I don't think I have ever played with Maria before for all my time here.

Luckily enough TSQ posted enough for me to mostly focus on him

It seems my reputation precedes me. Sadly, my memory does not. Have we played together on another site?

No, I have just skimmed through old games in this site, some of which had you as a player, but I don't remember your play enough other than a bit of a LyLo of scum!you vs town!Mathdino. RC once said something like "I (Shirou) as scum had a style similar to you (MariaR)" so...hm, I guess I should expect a lot of AtE? A lot of AtE that was actually true even if you were scum is exactly what I remember in he Mathdino game.

[Shirou]

Is there 2? Maybe, but at least 1

Is there 2? Maybe, but at least 1

how do u just come up with these numbers

do you disagree?

i dont see how u think there actually could be any scum pair. That is a rare event and with how players are this game there isn't a dunny/mariar soul pair in here that i think would do it. So i think u saying its a potential 2 is crazy without any basis. So thats why i ask how u even think that is possible

No no, I mean there is scum

in

Now/Ari and fireisreader pair. Not that it's a SVS pair.

Hmmmmmmm

[Shirou]

Nvm maybe I have a framework on how to read MariaR

[Shirou]

Uhhh I am not very solid on this because he is basically not posting content on the thread bt rather on his PT, but for his tone and the way I see he game I believe Norwe is more likely town than not if anyone cares about my opinion on him. So I think you are wrong on him GL...but that doesn't mean you wouldn't be getting one red there?

[Shirou]

Does that mean you think Ari is red then?

I am making a hilarious post hold up

[Shirou]

I'm expecting big amounts of hilarity.

Ah, not that kind of hilarious, I just think the openwolfing is getting funnier

[Shirou]

MariaR replaces Thestatusquo.

Woah this is going to be....interesting.

Now/Ari and Mid/Enchant are good slots to dip out

Ok so we are here, it's been nine minutes since MariaR has replaced in and she already seems to have opinions on the game. "Ok she probably was reading the game before replacing in right? Okie."

However just a bit before and a bit after the posts above there's this:

To make room for the arms.

So, what's the hot gossip. Did I replace into a scum slot? A town slot?
Who is being pushed? Let me know!

There's still voting in this setup, correct? I can vote who I want gone?

There has already been voting before especially when the Ari/Norwe wagon picked up in the last pages so she can't have read that right? But she agrees with the consensus of the last pages on Ari/Norwe being scummy...?

"She may have read early pages and arrived at Ari/Norwe anyway" sure...and she also coincidentally picks Enchant/Midway which is another pair who got popular after the flip?

MariaR can't have read too much in 9 minutes but sounds like she has knowledge about the game state, which would be weird but still able to say the bad excuse of "Oh yeah I totally read a lot in 8 or 9 minutes to have solid reads", but the problem is that she's also demonstrating to not have read the game by asking what is happening or "Can we vote guys O.o?"

MariaR is clearly either being ingenuine about how much she knows about the game, making up stuff on the spot considering last 3 pages or so consensus (or scum PT advice??) or

both

. It gets weirder though.

VOTE: Irrel/Save

Fixed

To be clear: I think Irrel/Save most likely hit scum
I think Ari/Now are best for information so I'll vote in them for now.

Ok so a couple posts later she has already changed her mind on who are the best votes, which would somewhat make sense if she truly hadn't knowledge of the game beforehand but we already know that's a lie, and no dont say "She just skimmed", she would at least have seen people voting for the same consensus scum reads she replaced in pushing. Maria wasn't clueless about the game state here before replacing in, nothing in her ISO makes sense otherwise and it's also a FACT she tried to hide that.

Either way if you haven't noticed something interesting yet, I hope you do with this:

Hey no, that's my job. Go be afk in your PT or something so I can die at intermission. Do you see how obv town our slots are?
pedit: Oooo VOTE: Fireisred

Is there 2? Maybe, but at least 1

how do u just come up with these numbers

do you disagree?

i dont see how u think there actually could be any scum pair. That is a rare event and with how players are this game there isn't a dunny/mariar soul pair in here that i think would do it. So i think u saying its a potential 2 is crazy without any basis. So thats why i ask how u even think that is possible

No no, I mean there is scum

in

Now/Ari and fireisreader pair. Not that it's a SVS pair.

She said she would vote Ari/Norwe and nothing, but not only that, that pair has been in all of her different "budget readlists", has a wagon on them even bigger than the other consensus she follows, it's her most consistent read and therefore objectively should be her strongest.

And she doesn't seem to vote there yet. Yes, she would eventually vote it if it came too close to going through, or even now since I am exposing her, but she seems to be trying her best to be elsewhere, JUST LIKE HOW TSQ hoped on Ari wagon before quickly going back to VPB and saying he would "sit there", despite TSQ also often expressing being down to eliminate Ari (but not following though).

I will tell you why of all those "coincidences" even with two different players on that slot:

It's because I believe they are scum, and Ari their partner. They are both scummy individually and associatively, I hope I won't need to case Ari too much since you guys think Norwe should die anyway, but I will do so if I have the energy or necessity for it.

TSQ entire push on VPB was also likely partially a distraction wagon to stop the momentum of people mentioning Ari as one of their vote targets. The other part was probably for VPB answering me that TSQ was the most likely deep wolf if there was one, what I do consider the right answer.

[Shirou]

Is there 2? Maybe, but at least 1

how do u just come up with these numbers

do you disagree?

i dont see how u think there actually could be any scum pair. That is a rare event and with how players are this game there isn't a dunny/mariar soul pair in here that i think would do it. So i think u saying its a potential 2 is crazy without any basis. So thats why i ask how u even think that is possible

No no, I mean there is scum

in

Now/Ari and fireisreader pair. Not that it's a SVS pair.

Also this the kind of cute shot I post as scum by inserting a partner and a limbait. Why?

It gives you credit for being "right" but at the same if you eliminate your partner first, you can get the limbait by saying "well we were right before so let's keep going boys", and if the limbait goes first you can perhaps pivot and say "well we were wrong before so maybe the other person/pair isn't scum either?".

She's making a false equivalence, about ye two COMPETING wagons nonetheless.

[Shirou]

MariaR entire ISO is a mess and minus the VPB push she has eerily similar stances on the game as TSQ, especially on Ari pair. I don't believe it's a coincidence.

It's hard for me to not just boldly declare she's scum, and beyond that, Ari's partner.

[Shirou]

MariaR has lied about how much she knows about this game maker how she will try to spin it. She may even go for the "oh yeah I lied/faked some of my posts but I'm still town tehe U.u"

The way this all developed I would say it's close enough to a soft scumclaim, and if you try to dismiss it just like with Cakez by saying "it's just psychoanalizying" or something, don't be surprised if we lose.

Just punish what is statically much more likely to come from scum than town (lying/hiding). It can be that simple sometimes.

[Shirou]

MariaR has lied about how much she knows about this game maker how she will try to spin it. She may even go for the "oh yeah I lied/faked some of my posts but I'm still town tehe U.u"

The way this all developed I would say it's close enough to a soft scumclaim, and if you try to dismiss it just like with Cakez by saying "it's just psychoanalizying" or something, don't be surprised if we lose.

Just punish what is statically much more likely to come from scum than town (lying/hiding). It can be that simple sometimes.

Fucking auto correct. I meant "no matter how she will try to spin it" in "maker".

[Shirou]

ok so what r u going to do when you flip me and I'm town

I doubt that will happen but even if it did, my solve is likely all three scum in Ari/MariaR/Fire/StD.

At least, 2 out of the three scum there. I expanded on you and MariaR because I think it's the two most likely both individually and associatively, especially with the latest Maria posts

[Shirou]

My PoE is [Ari, MariaR, Fire, StD].

Note that Irrel can be the scum in StD/Irrel pair but they die together so it doesn't matter.

My most likely guess right now is MariaR/Ari/Fire, I will try to expand on it in the following days, but it could other combinations of he four like:

MariaR/Ari/StD or Irrel

Maybe there's also one scum out of my PoE but it would be a bit of a blind guess to me right now.

If I am wrong and there isn't even 2/3 scum in my PoE...well, fuck me I guess. Sorry?

[Shirou]

I hate the autocorrect. Now I want to question: does the day stop if someone leaves the dance? I don't think so, therefore I would rather Furtive or Norwe leave the dance at some point today if possible?

Dunno who to vote between MariaR and Ari though if I am forced to vote rather than their partners leave..who is individually scummier huh, probably MariaR but my heart kinda screams Ari is even worse for always having people try to deflect but lightly buss it.

[Shirou]

MariaR has lied about how much she knows about this game maker how she will try to spin it. She may even go for the "oh yeah I lied/faked some of my posts but I'm still town tehe U.u"

The way this all developed I would say it's close enough to a soft scumclaim, and if you try to dismiss it just like with Cakez by saying "it's just psychoanalizying" or something, don't be surprised if we lose.

Just punish what is statically much more likely to come from scum than town (lying/hiding). It can be that simple sometimes.

So i read your stuff and i understand what you’re saying about Maria and discrepancies, but why would it mean partnered with Aristeia?

Norwe are you pocketed? Read again how their dynamic in my case (even TSQ/Ari dynamic was the same). If Maria is scum Ari feels like a classic good buss from them.

Always talking how they are sus, but either not voting them or voting when it is consensus but trying their best to switch to something else at first opportunity

[Shirou]

I want to create a wagon here for now, may switch to Ari later. I wan to establish in this town memory that MariaR is a suspect because you all already kinda want Norwe/Ari dead even if for what I believe to be the wrong reason.

VOTE: MariaR

[Shirou]

I’m just trying to understand what exactly it is that would tie the two together.

It's harder to explain in even more detail than I already did in mobile. Sorry but I feel like my explanation is already quite detailed.

Why the hell do you think Ari is town anyway Norwe? The Cakez thing? She gave a reason when asked about why she thought Cakez was scummier but she never

really tried

to eliminate Cakez.

This is mafiascum dot com Norwe, almost every scum buss their partner a bit before they go down. Why didn't Ari push Cakez for that

before he was looking likely to die

?

Do you also

know

Ari? I

know

(if you know what I truly mean here) Ari and just like Fire himself pointed out she's just not putting or pushing her opinions enough here. It's creepy.

p-edit: ok fair Norwe, but I typed this so to not waste it I will post at least. We can wagon MariaR for now at least no?

[Shirou]

Don't vote for my partner it kills me. Pls spare a thought

I guess the second thing about MariaR may be that it kills Ausuka if I was right somehow before

[Shirou]

shirou do you think that maria's replace in here feels significantly different from how she replaced in here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=90102&user_select%5B%5D=28247

imo in that one it also felt like she had a kind of weirdly inconsistent combination of levels of gamestate knowledge + confidence

Checking the first posts I don't see how she did a blatant lie like here, confidence isn't that usual from MariaR from what little I remember, but what is inconsistent about her knowledge there, I am not reading an entire day there to understand. Explain what I am looking at/for yeah?

[Shirou]

I’m just trying to understand what exactly it is that would tie the two together.

It's harder to explain in even more detail than I already did in mobile. Sorry but I feel like my explanation is already quite detailed.

Why the hell do you think Ari is town anyway Norwe? The Cakez thing? She gave a reason when asked about why she thought Cakez was scummier but she never

really tried

to eliminate Cakez.

This is mafiascum dot com Norwe, almost every scum buss their partner a bit before they go down. Why didn't Ari push Cakez for that

before he was looking likely to die

?

Do you also

know

Ari? I

know

(if you know what I truly mean here) Ari and just like Fire himself pointed out she's just not putting or pushing her opinions enough here. It's creepy.

p-edit: ok fair Norwe, but I typed this so to not waste it I will post at least. We can wagon MariaR for now at least no?

About your comment about Aristeia not pushing opinions. I played against scum!her once. ElO. And she was incredibly persistent, logical, argumentative. Pretty much the opposite of here. So yes, i have played with Aristeia before, and in my experience she is not deflated as scum.

And she also is more present as town from what I know. Not playing the game doesn't make her town to me Norwe

[Shirou]

I'm skeptical scum!Shea replaces out like that

It's the unique thing bugging me but MariaR was to scummy for me to not push it

[Shirou]

MAFIA MAN~

Take me be my vote, lead me to the solve~

THAT YOU UNDERSTAND~

Mafia man, the voyage to the corner of this dance is,

Aaaa reaaal trippp~

Mafia man, the red tan man inside all those PTss

Pocketing innocents~

--- Adaptation of the masterpiece "Ocean man" by Shirou

[Shirou]

The sudden silence feels kinda deafening

[Shirou]

It seems like no. Like very little doubt by people, and that seems weird. I don't have a solid read on Owen, and I kinda feel like I'm the only one.

I was suspecting Meuh a bit before but since getting into my solve she doesn't make as much sense being scum for multiple reasons so unless I'm proven to have a wrong perspective of the game, I'm gonna keep her that way probably?

[Shirou]

Midway stop town reading TSQ for just being superficiaĺly town. In TM 2021 I spent a lot of time suspecting Ramcius and no one the entire game suspected TSQ as scum because he was always superficially town, but by the later days when we had more info I concluded he was the most likely scum because he was always advancing scum wincon really hard.

That's exactly what he has been doing here imo. TSQ in my mind is a

much, much better

scumplayer than you are giving him credit for. The unique "case" I could make on him there, a super long game, was that he was scum siding super hard. It's rather unusual for me to be unable to case someone and one of the reasons I was keeping my read on him close to the chest, he was the unique in my solve that I felt like I hadn't enough to do a convincing case.

Also will we be discussing replacements then? If that's the case I want to give my takes on them

[Shirou]

Ya know, I could just disprove that entire wall, but I want to see who jumps on this it's interesting.

Nah you can't, you will just throw some bad excuses at it but it does look like people here could end up buying it

[Shirou]

Ya know, I could just disprove that entire wall, but I want to see who jumps on this it's interesting.

Nah you can't, you will just throw some bad excuses at it but it does look like people here could end up buying it

You do know your wall is based on mafia theroy 101 instead of being a valid case regardless of if I'm town or mafia, correct? I mean, you threw in some cute words to try and make it seem appealing but really it isn't that good I've seen good cases before. Little tip for next time.

What?

No it's a case based on the fact I know as a fact you lied/hide about how much you knew of the game and hinting you can still be town nonetheless is the same as the argument "they may still be town though" when someone is caught fake claiming.

I have never seen town lie about not reading the game this hard, but even if they did in a random game out there, a player doing this should be killed anyway for he same reasons we kill fakeclaims:

It's

infinitely

more likely to come from scum. Letting a player caught lying hard live is the same as letting a caught fake claiming lie. It's not how you go about solving a game ever, you just eliminate the fake claim just like how we should eliminate you here.

Little tip: If you're ever town here maybe don't lie about something as scummy as game knowledge next time?

[Shirou]

Anyway, as an "outted scum" who else is scum? Who are my partners, go on I'm listening.

Now that's not reading my post OR the game (level 8000+). I already talked about it multiple times.
But I get you. It's bothersome to read too much when you know everyone alignments, as scum I am the same and so was Cakez.

I already explained what I think your associative are with Ari, and the case had a lot about that, but I know, again, you're not paying too much attention to something called "reading".

I haven't explained much on what I think is associative between you/Fire and you/StD, but I will try to eventually this week. It's hard writing walls on phone and honestly I already expect their pairs to die anyway at some point. if there is one scum slot I am afraid of end gaming it is yours/TSQ.

Talking too much about your "partners" before you're flipped and confirmed is kinda moot anyway, I would rather just talk about why you're scum here and why we should get rid of you today.

Mentioning Ari is for convincing people to kill Ari next if I am right about you, and posting my solve is so that if I got Cakez, you and Ari right, I hope people will foĺow the rest of my PoE if I am not alive.

[Shirou]

I'm curious is that what people think I did? Lied about my game info and came in? I'm all ears. I'll keep this post nice and saved while we chat.

She's being rhetoric and looking for an opportunity to throw shit in the wall hoping it sticks.

If you let her do it rather than just voting her idk what to tell you?

It's like giving a free pass to Cakez scumclaiming all over again.

I probably need to get ready to work now though

[Shirou]

Yeah I should let powerful scum insert bullshit in the thread on a game where Cakez SCUMCLAIMED and got a free pass for it.

Definitely, I trust this player list to catch you/eliminate you on their own given the Cakez development.

Just no.

I will also miss you though, your rhetorical way of addressing this is so cute! My heart is fluttering. We will talk again later though, don't be too needy mkay?

[Shirou]

Norwe if you're about to get limmed I recommend leaving the dance instead. I'm starting to think I may be wrong on Ari being her partner but MariaR is still probably scum.

Your wagon has picked up the pace now that I'm pushing MariaR.

[Shirou]

If I'm not wrong on my understanding if you leave the dance the day doesn't end. I want MariaR head today because if she's scum here it certainly feels like she's gonna win it.

[Shirou]

I may be wrong though.

@Mod if someone leaves the dance do we go straight into intermission or the day continues until an elimination/deadline is achieved?

[Shirou]

16 alive at the moment so we can have up to 3 pairs leave before intermission

[Shirou]

Ok so that means leaving or getting elimmed has no bearing on when the day ends. Only when deadline ends and two pairs are gone?

No Norwe, we have 16 alive at the moment, if you leave we're on 14 alive and the day continues

Also my derp, we can have up to two pairs leaving today

[Shirou]

I'm typing while getting lunch so ignore my miscalculation

[Shirou]

Ah, I get it now

But what...

A setup that doesn't end on the first elimination? That's kinda wild.

[Shirou]

If we can have up to two eliminations I kinda feel like I might as well vote you, flip Ari (although now I am more doubtful about her being a partner of Maria), and try to convince people on Maria after you flip town.

[Shirou]

If you flip scum though congrats, you fooled me

[Shirou]

I can't white knight you here because you're together with Ari unhappily

[Shirou]

Sorry Norwe, I was happy to play with you

VOTE: Norwe/Ari

[Shirou]

I will also be sad that I had to kill you if she is.

I wish we could do MariaR first

[Shirou]

L-2

Meuh pls come here, we need to rush a bit if we want 2 eliminations in 7 days

[Shirou]

Btw don't lim me yet i need to continue the story in my PT with Aristeia.

Ah ok

[Shirou]

Be fast though if possible please, I just want my two flips and then shut up and accept any consequences if I am being on both

[Shirou]

I'd I am wrong* on both

[Shirou]

Freaking autocorrect I hate you

[Shirou]

Ah btw for those curious about MariaR's "answer", it's probably something along the lines of

"Aktsually it was all a seKret plan to sort people

or so

[Shirou]

What the fuck. I am 2/2 on this game so far and all of you are discarding my reads as if it's garbage.

I didn't expect you all to just sheep me quietly but I was right on Cakez, I was right on Ari, I was right on Norwe?

And none of ou care that about my other "unpopular" reads like MariaR?

I am flabbergasted.

[Shirou]

I lied to Ari to confuse her and try to catch her lying (she just backtracked instead though?).

Chennis played well in the TM game and dunno if in one post he had scum but the person that effectively murdered the scumteam there was me. I am not trying to say I am better than others though, I had a HORRIBLE town game with GL last time, we all have games we have the right mentality on and I simply believe this is one of mine.

The results so far all align with what I have said. To the damn end, MariaR never voted Ari even though she kept talking about how there was scum for sure there. It can end up not being MariaR, but can you at least make you all seriously consider that I have been perfectly right on everything that has flipped so far, and I am once again here to tell you that VPB isnt scum most likely, and there is other slots more likely to be Ari's partner?

Please?

VOTE: MariaR

[Shirou]

What the fuck. I am 2/2 on this game so far and all of you are discarding my reads as if it's garbage.

I didn't expect you all to just sheep me quietly but I was right on Cakez, I was right on Ari, I was right on Norwe?

And none of ou care that about my other "unpopular" reads like MariaR?

I am flabbergasted.

Hey I'm here to sheep. Baath.

You think the Ari/TSQ fight was theater? It feels very involved, although over a dumb kind of issue that seemed wonky. I mentioned this to Owen, but I kind of had a hard time following it when it was going on.

Read Norwe's TM 2021, TSQ vs FL was even more "involved" and they were partners

[Shirou]

there's only one place for clown and it's occupied by me

Enchant would you consider voting with me today? Please? I have got two and I think perhaps I can get another one

[Shirou]

but can you at least make you all seriously consider that I have been perfectly right on everything that has flipped so far

yeah, u been right.
U got to stop bussing though.

Why do you think I am scum Fire

[Shirou]

im joking shirou.
rude of u not to notice.
im considering sheeping u. Got to think mariar/shea over a little more

Sorry if I am wrong on you btw, but your Ari interactions are like your interactions with your partner scum!Ank in that game we played, your readlist sounded very random to me, you tried to push a counterwagon when Ari was rising up and you kept soft sussing Ari but it always ended up feeling performative/a slap in the wrist.

It is really hard for me to see town!you at all atm

[Shirou]

shirou
for the third time, i have a hard time seeing tsq/ari fight over cakez as scum theater. The whole thing starts with 908. When do you ever see two scum buddies arguing over how to read a third scum buddy? Cuz what even is their end goal with that triple scum interaction beyond looking unaligned (which I heavily doubt scum care about so early on).
you need to explain your other points on tsq as well

To the damn end, MariaR never voted Ari even though she kept talking about how there was scum for sure there.

i can't really see this as a sneaky scum move lol

So they look unaligned which is what they should be doing but that's not scum "priority" according to you? What.

Scum priority from start to finish on the game is to look town and seem unaligned, they don't necessarily need to search for misleminations, town will most likely miseliminate or give a serious push on a miselimination on their own. what do you even think Ari was doing in this game other than trying to distance when she only opened her mouth to talk about how Cakez was scummy?

You say looking unaligned wouldn't be their "priority" but you're proven to be FACTUALLY WRONG already with Cakez/Ari.

Can you please just stop thinking that playing a good scum game and advancing their wincon (looking unaligned) is something they wouldn't do? It makes no sense for anyone that knows the basics of playing scum.

[Shirou]

Why are you so great is my question

what do you mean?

Also I have a hard time seeing this particular back-forth as scum theater lol
First, why would maria ask her buddy a completely irrelevant question? Why not ask something remotely game-related to build some cred upon flip? Maybe a stretch, but is she really gonna call her buddy who is about to get flipped "great"?
And Ari's response just reads genuinely confused. If they were both scum, I expect something more playful. Like alright im about to flip, lemme make u look town. But it's just a simple wdym. Given that they must be interacting a lot in the scum PT, no way Ari reads this confused to something coming from scum!maria
And then Maria just ignores Ari from there. No distancing just disinterest.

Also why would scum maria push norwee instead of ari straight up?

Ok nvm maybe I give up on convincing you

[Shirou]

there's only one place for clown and it's occupied by me

Enchant would you consider voting with me today? Please? I have got two and I think perhaps I can get another one

why not

VOTE: MariaR

THANK YOU ENCHANT I LOVE YOU

[Shirou]

wow u made me jealous of enchant.
now im never sheeping

I suspect I may know the real reason you aren't sheeping me

[Shirou]

Ok midway, out of curiosity then if I am right on MariaR as well will you consider lending me your vote or 3/3 will still not be enough for you?