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Why not? He's prolly scum.ibaesha wrote:And ... Glork, seriously?-
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Um... I fully embrace my "scumminess." I am starting off a game by behaving in a completely ridiculous, counterintuitive, non-productive manner. Welcome to Glork's mafia play. Would you like me to go cite the eight thousand million examples in which I've done so and been accused of being a scumbag for it?MrBuddyLee wrote:Glork, your blatant misrepresentation is noted. I didn't vote you for your vote, I voted you for your actions after the vote. Thus, it's not an OMGUS vote and you're being intentionally evasive, trying to make light in the face of your scumminess.
Also, your vote is in fact OMGUSy in nature... it's a reaction to the fact that I asked someone to kill you. "You say you want me dead so I'm going to vote for you" is OMGUS any way you look at it. It doesn't matter if you're talking about the vote itself or the request for a hammer.
I understand why you're voting for me, and I really can't argue with it.MBL wrote:What do you actually think of my vote on you? What do you think of this wagon? I'd like you on the record for tomorrow in the off chance that some mouthbreather lynches me now.
I think the wagon is pretty hilarious. But it's useful, too. It's not often that we get to start off a game by almost-lynching someone. You've stuck your votes/FoSes in the appropriate places. (Glork 3rd, plus asking for hammer; Bird putting you at Lynch -1; CES for Lynch -2) So far, things check out okay. I'm actually more interested in other peoples' reactions than yours.
Make no mistake about it, though. Had you been at Lynch -1 without me on the wagon, I would have hammered. I've never done something *that* ridiculous before. I think it'd be kinda fun to do it to someone. I think it'd be absolutely fucking hilarious. And I will do it before I retire from Mafia games altogether.-
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Thing is... I want you to know that I'm dead serious about everything I just said. You know me, MBL, and you know that I like to push the envelope sometimes. I want to get away with as much as possible, so long as it doesn't get me killed. And if I get killed over my behavior here, I'll know a little bit more about my limits for future reference. *shrug*-
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Also, I guess I shouldUnvote, given MBL's responses. I'llVote: Bogrefor not jumping on the MBL wagon when clearly it was the cool thing to do.-
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Three points here:
First, you're assuming that I find OMGUS to be a bad thing. I've said before, and I'll say it again: Some types of OMGUS are good things, and the sign of a pro-town player. Ibby, for example, tends to getveryOMGUSy when she's pro-town and someone accuses her of being scum or clamors for her death. I'm still not entirely sure what my meta-stance on you is, but I do know that you have a tendency to be very concerned -- obsessive, even -- about what people think of you. Newbie 254 was a big reminder of that, and my failure to realize it at that time ended up making me think you were scum in that game. I've since then learned from that and take into consideration your playstyle when dealing with you.
Second, the reason I labeled it as OMGUS was not because you picked *someone* who voted for you, but because you picked me. I boarded the MBL wagon the first time around, I jumped on it this time, and I asked for a hammer. I also called you scum when Ibby asked if I was serious. I was by far the most vocal person who was on your wagon. I realize that voting for anyone on your wagon would technically have been OMGUS, and (as explained above) I didn't intend for the "OMGUS" label to be construed as genuinely scummy. But I did want to note that you were choosing me in particular (hence the OMGIS instead of OMGUS).
Third: Yes, I advocated your hammer and wanted to see reactions at the same time. I wanted to see what other people thought of your wagon. Who would be bold enough to continue to vote for you (I actually think inHim is likely to be pro-town, given his post/vote). Who would get panicky and jump off, going "OMG, I was joking!! I don't want him dead (yet)!"... who would go "Holy crap, this wagon is scummy as hell"? Who would counterwagon somebody (StD, for example, was almost guilty of this, but his vote-chance seems. The reason I think I could've had my cake and eaten it too is because I wanted to different things on completely different levels. My immature, goofy, fun-loving, ridiculous side wanted to see you dead. What can I say... I've got a little bit of Fritzler in me. The scumbusting side of me wanted to see what people did in an unexpected situation.
One more thing.... please, MBL, explain to me how you can "smell a suckup" out of Klebian and think that I'm scum at the same time.-
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Because it's funnier that way.Twomz wrote:The crash removed this thread from my watched list XD. But i'm aware of it now. Why are we trying to kill MBL w/o giving him the chance to do anything?-
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Sarcastro's good people. He lives on Monkey Island ffs. d00d's obviously not a scumbag.-
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:badposting:Nightson wrote:unvote, vote: Phoebus
DEAR EVERYBODY PLZ KILL THIS GUY KTHXBAI-
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FoS: Twomz
That post does not contain a vote for Nightson. This is a serious issue. Are you and Nightson scumbuddies?-
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Shit, this is going to sound really, really, *REALLY* retarded.
I got Nightson and Bogre mixed up.
This is why I do not post at 2:00 AM while taking a break from writing philosophy papers.-
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EBWODP: This is why Ishouldnot post at 2:00 AM while taking a break from writing philosophy papers. Obviously I did.-
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Yes, Twomz. I was thinking that I had voted Nightson before, and not Bogre. I didn't think I was being inconsistent because I hadn't realized I was voting for a different person.-
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*grump*
I misremembered who I had been voting for. Nothing more, nothing less. I made a mistake because it was late at night and my brain was frazzled.-
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I don't believe this.
I have defended myself against the exact same<<unacceptable language>>argument in three or four games recently.
I begin games by behaving "off-the-wall" just as often as I begin games with cutthroat logic. If you'd like me to cite examples, just ask. I'm perfectly willing to do so.-
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I'm not trying to use it as proof that I'm pro-town. I'm saying that you can't conclude I'm scum because of it. StD's reason for voting me is that he thinks I'm being too off-the-wall. I am defending myself by saying "it is not an indicator either way. If you're going to vote for me, do it for a legitimate reason."
And seriously, if you want to know the duress I've been under lately, ask Amelia how my life has been lately. Go ahead. You can use AIM. Or ask AniX what I was up to last night. I'm not making this shit up. I'm just burned out and I made a simple mistake.-
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Sesame Street Mafia -- focused, completely unfounded, relentless attack on one playerSave The Dragons wrote:Please do so. Your play is looking a lot different from other games I am in with you.
Snakes on a Plane Mafia -- general ridiculousness for the entire day that I lived in that game. Probably the most absurd I've ever behaved in a D1. Wagon-pushing, lynch-mongering, shameless unfounded accusations.
Choose Someone Else's Role Mafia -- More general ridiclousness. Shameless trolling and spamming. Comment made on how I plan on hopping/starting as many wagons as I possibly can.
Newbie 254, to a lesser extent. Deliberate unorthodox, confusing behavior -- intended to spur reactions from other players
Mafia 54 -- focused, vehement attack on a single player, with shaky basis and shameless wagon-mongering
There. Happy?-
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This quickly seems to becoming one of those "I can't say anything right" situations.-
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I was just pushing a wagon for basically on reason at all. I did not think I was being inconsistent. I don't particularly care for whom I vote right now. My "plan" (if you can even call it that) was to just push whatever wagons were most convenient or appropriate and see how people reacted. (This can be partially reflected in my comment towards MBL, that I was more interested inother people'sreactions than his own.) Obviously, I botched that completely. I made a couple of comments that were inconsistent with my vote at the time, and a few people decided to jump on it. I found myself having to explain my mistake and defend my posting habits to this point, and that's pretty much where we stand now.
My vote remains as is because I have not yet found a suitable place for it. I don't have any real basis for thinking Nightson is scum. I don't have any significant qualms with the votes against me, since I completely understand where they are coming from. I think they're misguided, and I suspect that at least one of the people pushing against me are scum... but I can't really argue with why they are voting me.-
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That's a pretty moronic notion. If a player is attacked, they have every right to defend themselves, whether being attacked and/or voted by one player, or being attacked/voted by multiple players.MrBuddyLee wrote:
This looks a lot like Glork's "why is everyone attacking me for things that could be scummy it's my schtick" schtick. If it's just discussion, why get defensive about it?Nightson wrote:In my book the most important thing Day 1 is discussion and whether it comes about through people being serious or people reacting to non-serious content it's all discussion.
I never understood this "getting defensive is scummy" bit. I see people accuse me of being scum on some actual basis. I defend myself against those accusations. That's sorta how this game is played. I do not expect people to attack me for behaving in a ridiculous manner. But if they do, I will continue to defend myself. I may complain about it (as I did earlier)... but I will still explain why my actions are not inconsistent with me being pro-town. I don't understand why you're telling Nightson that he should not be defending himself.-
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Unvote, Vote: Sarcastro
Pretty sure he's a dirty scumbag.-
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Yeah, I'm here. Can we stop being dumb and start lynching the bad guys?-
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bird1111 wrote:I'm here, and am still wondering why there are votes on Glork for normal early day 1 behavior.
I believe Fritz already answered that:Fritzler wrote:
cuz theyre idiots and don't realize glork has mroe than one typical day 1 behaviorbird1111 wrote:Not seeing why people are finding Nightson/Glork suspicious for typical early day 1 behavior
Your continued defense of me is noted, Bird. Are you trying to make all happy-happy with Glorky to get on his good side?-
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You mean "What's your point, StD?"
I want you to elaborate on why you're interpreting inHim's words as such.-
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Also yes, StD, I'm disassociating myself with Bird. I don't think he's scum right now, but if hedoesturn out to be a scumbag, I already know where the conversation is going to lead. I've picked up a rampantly paranoid attitude towards this game. Being widely and intently attacked for perfectly normal (for me, anyway) behavior tends to do that.
"OMG GLROK IS BEING RIDICULOUS!! SCUMBUAGGZORZ!"
"OMG BIRD DEFENDED LGORK! OBV THEY ARE SCUMBUDDEEZ!"-
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People decided that Bird was a better wagon. *shrug*PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what happened to that sweet MBL wagon?-
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Did a quick re-read, just a couple of things to note.
I've decided that Ibby's reasons for voting me seem contrived/forced. Call it a personal tell on Ibbsies. She's probably a dirty gorilla-face.Unvote, Vote: Ibby
Sarcastro's last post still has me thinking he might be scum. Bird + Klebian both seem like quite convenient "suspicions."FoS: Sarcastro
Save The Dragons wrote:Mmm I dunno if they're scum together. I'm just pretty sure that
inhim + bird > 0 scum.Strong FoS: StD
I don't like this post. It's not really "False Dilemma," but it feels almost that way. I still don't think that Bird is scum. inHim doesn't strike me as going either way right now.-
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Bah, sorry for the triple-post.
...but dearest God of Mods, it would appear as though your most recent vote count has MrBuddyLee voting for both me and inHimshallibe. Is this a mistake or not?-
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I know that you were saying "I think at least one of Bird/inHim are scum." I'm saying that I strongly disagree on one point, and that I'm not by any means sold on the other. And I'm saying that your post makes me vaguely think "False Dilemma." It's not a false dilemma in the strictest sense (at least one of them is scum, and X town implies Y scum)... but I just don't like the two lynches that you are pushing.-
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I really can't place my finger on what it is exactly. Language + Targets + Timing.-
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I've already explained my stance... a little bit of both.
Good question, though. I'd also like to know why other people wagoned MBL.-
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Significantly likely?
The only person I could have *really* actually imagined hammering you before somebody unvoted would have been Fritzler. But Fritz was already on your wagon, so that wasn't going to happen. Pooky, CES, Glork, Fritz -- the four people I consider to be the most likely to do something ridiculous just for kicks -- were all on the wagon at that point. There was little chance that you were *actually* going to die. Although I would have been quite amused had it happened.-
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Uh... your point? I didn't say that I plan on doing it someday until well after the fact. You've not shown that anything is "significantly likely." All you've shown is that I would have hammered you dead... which I already stated explicitly.-
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Actually, now that I look back at things, there's a serious misrepresentation that I can't let go unnoted.
Let's go back and look at what I said:
What does this post say?Glork wrote:Make no mistake about it, though. Had you been at Lynch -1 without me on the wagon, I would have hammered. I've never done something *that* ridiculous before. I think it'd be kinda fun to do it to someone. I think it'd be absolutely f***ing hilarious. And I will do it before I retire from Mafia games altogether.
I (Glork) would have hammered you.
I (Glork) think that it would be fun/hilarious.
What did you say?
You take my opinion (I would hammer, think it's cool, blahblah) and try to present it as the standard or normal opinion/attitude. Because *I*, someoneMrBuddyLee wrote:Yeah, you even said yourself there's a "cool factor" involved and it'd be a point of pride to someday hammer someone before page 3. Significantly likely, but thanks to a few timely unvotes temptation was removed and it didn't happen.already on your wagonsaid I would have hammered, you say that it is "significantly likely" thatsomebody elsewould have hammered.
As I've said before: The people I consider most likely to hammer were all already on your wagon. If you can make a case that somebodynot already on your wagonwould have hammered you, then you can say it was "significantly likely" that you would have been hammered.
"Glork would hammer, since he thinks it's cool" does not mean "Somebody else would have hammered because they thought it was cool."
Strong FoS: MBL
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No, I don't think I'd gain a hell of a lot of info from the quicklynch (unless you turned out scum, I think).
But I think we'd find a ton of damned good information in the aftermath. If I don't get vigged or nightkilled that night, the D2 discussion would be... quite interesting. I know full well that if I really do something absurd, I'll have to defend and explain myself. I'm not stupid or naive, MBL, despite what you seem to think. I may be bold, irrational, even reckless at times.... but I am not a complete ignoramus. I realize that my actions have consequences, and I understand that there would be substantial pressure on me.
Lynching a townie D1 is obivously not going to ruin a game. Lynching D1 and getting little info puts us at a significant disadvantage, but I do think that the information gained from D2's discussion would be pretty immense and extremely heplful (not to mention the fact that the wagon itself on D1 likely *does* provide us with some clues/info down the road).-
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inHim... you're bold, but you're not completely irrational. (Consider that a compliment. ) I wouldn't have expected to see you hammer, but apparently feel the same way as me.-
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PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i'm glad i'm first on Glork's list.
I've long been told that you should lead with strength and end on a strong note. You two are crazy, crazy mofos.Fritzler wrote:
im not first on any listsPookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i'm glad i'm first on Glork's list.
except most awesomenessest
I wanna be just like you guys when I grow up ^_^-
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Hi, why are you protecting your scumbuddy MBL?dahen wrote:Ok, I failed to change the subject with my vote, sounvote. I think we've gotten the information a lynch of MBL would give us (apart from his actual alignment and what follows). If we feel his alignment is a key, then we should lynch him. Otherwise, it's time looking somewhere else. I suggest the latter.-
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Nah, I'd be quite content to vote either you or Ibby off the island right now. Dahen's comment makes me wonder about him, too.MrBuddyLee wrote:
That's yesterday's tired schtick. We demand new material.Glork wrote:Hi, why are you protecting your scumbuddy MBL?-
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....I still see this wagon as being scum-driven. I don't think Bird is scum. I would much rather MBL or Ibby die. In fact, I don't like inHim's vote. I get the "OMGX DEADLINE LETS LYNCH SOMEONE FAST!" vibe from his vote.
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I think it's worth a shot.inHimshallibe wrote:I think you and I both know how hard it would be for us to get another candidate (MBL, gawdurnit!) strung up with less than a week to go,especiallywith the holiday weekend coming up.
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Fritzler wrote:i love glork's quick change of heartQuickchange of heart? I said before the crash that I'd be happy lynching either MBL or Ibby today. It just so happens that there's potential for an MBL lynch, and no such potential for an Ibby lynch.-
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Y'know what? You're probably right. You're the bus of the day if you're scum, and you're the easy lynch if you're town. There are likely scum on your wagon, but I still think that you are scum.MrBuddyLee wrote:Here.
This should be simple. The odds that no scum have piled/are piling on me is ridiculously slim. Pick the scummiest one who's piled on and lynch them. Right now, that looks like inHim, but I need to smell-test the original wagon again.
Also, I realize that you're interested in your own survival, but to advocate that we pick someone on your wagon and wagon them to death is completely unreasonable. Finding the scum-who-may-be-on-your-wagon becomes much, much easier if we know your alignment. Looking for tells from a bus is significantly different than looking for tells from a mislynch. Simply put, at this point, we need the info from your death. If you don't get lynched today, I can only hope that you'll be vigged overnight. I want you dead. And I want you dead as quickly as possible.
I'm pretty used to inHim being fairly (if not completely) irrational D1. Though I know why he wants you dead, and I agree that the info of your lynch (even if you happen to be pro-town) should prove invaluable. InHim has stuck pretty fast to your lynch, and his play is not inconsistent with what I expect from him. It's true that I'm not particularly comfortable with inHim's play, but my meta on him is a little wonky,MBL wrote:Glork wants to lynch one of the two people voting for him right now. How convenient. Glork, you're uncomfortable with inhim's behavior. How comfortable are you with your vote on me knowing he cheerily piled on top of it?especiallyafter our most recent game together.
Your initial wagon had no basis on it whatsoever. The Birdwagon was built and pushed on a really, really bad basis. That's a *very* significant fundamental difference between Bird's wagon and your wagon. The second coming of your wagon is interesting. I can't say that I expected it to grow this quickly, but for the time being I'm sticking with my guns. I don't like what I've seen from you. At all.MBL wrote:
OK then, Glork, would you take a stab at sorting out good from bad apples that plopped onto the birdwagon? Also, why didn't you see my wagon as scum-driven? What's the fundamental difference between it and the birdwagon that allows you to reach that conclusion?Glork wrote:I still see this wagon as being scum-driven. I don't think Bird is scum.-
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I don't know. I'm actually looking to draw connections between you and other players for the afore-mentoined reason that I think you're scum. If you turn up pro-town, assuming that I don't findmyselfon the chopping block, I'll address that at the time.-
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Exactly.MrBuddyLee wrote:So these two want to lynch me for information, but they freely admit they have no associations in mind that will result in information gained by my death. Brilliant.
Are you implying that we should all have predispositions to follow certain paths on Day One that we plan on seeing through regardless of how ensuing events unfold?
'Cause if thats the case, I'd suggest that you revise your play strategy.-
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Obv I think Dahen might be a scumbuddy of yours:
My interpretation of Dahen's post: "Okay, we've all wagoned MBL, so can we please focus somewhere else?"Glork wrote:
Hi, why are you protecting your scumbuddy MBL?dahen wrote:Ok, I failed to change the subject with my vote, sounvote. I think we've gotten the information a lynch of MBL would give us (apart from his actual alignment and what follows). If we feel his alignment is a key, then we should lynch him. Otherwise, it's time looking somewhere else. I suggest the latter.
I would also label Nightson as possible scum either way. He jumped on your wagon both times, only with a "Vote: MBL." And he jumped onto the Bird wagon with the following pithy reasoning:
This is exactly what I mean when I said it seemed to me that some bullshit excuse would be found to wagon Bird.Nightson wrote:
You're getting the most votes and this is all you have to say? Newsflash, Glork only has half the votes you do.bird1111 wrote:I'm here, and am still wondering why there are votes on Glork for normal early day 1 behavior.vote: birdAnd now he's got slightly less then half.
I will also note that though Nightson said he was keeping his vote on Bird until Bird acknowledged the fact that he was the leading vote-getter, he jumped back onto MBL as soon as the momentum started up against him.
In fact, I'd like to hear from Nightson about his behavior.FoS: Nightson. Please explain yourself.
If MBL turns up town, I'd really have to see how other people respond tomorrow. I'd be looking for reactions and follow-up attacks from everyone who voted/wagoned you. I have a feeling that I know where scumwagoners would start pointing fingers, but I'm not going to spoil that just yet.-
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I'll say it again: Bird should be claiming right about now.-
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Now I have to get PJ lynched? Oh poo.
He can wait until tomorrow. In the meantime, he should vote for MBL.-
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Believe it or not, PJ, I can actually explain both of the issues you semem to have with me being "stupid."
In Post 186, Pooky asked where that "sweet MBL wagon" was. I erroneously assumed that Pooky had been on the wagon and, as you said, Pooky was on the original wagon. I got a bit mixed up. I've already explained why that was the case.petroleumjelly wrote:
As it happens, this statement is actually false. The people on MBL’s wagon were (in order): Twito, Ibaesha, Glork, Fritzler, Klebian, Nightson, Cogito Ergo Sum, Bird1111, [Ibby unvotes], InHimShallIBe. If I recall correctly, Pooky was on the original wagon before posts were deleted, but he was not on the ‘actual’ game wagon, so he could have easily hammered. I account this mistake more to sloppiness than to scumminess, however.Glork, post 205 wrote:The only person I could have *really* actually imagined hammering you before somebody unvoted would have been Fritzler.But Fritz was already on your wagon, so that wasn't going to happen. Pooky, CES, Glork, Fritz -- the four people I consider to be the most likely to do something ridiculous just for kicks -- were all on the wagon at that point.There was little chance that you were *actually* going to die. Although I would have been quite amused had it happened.
Actually, in this case I simply wanted StD to post his thoughts to completion. StD was voting for Bird while attacking inHim for placing his vote before making his case via "Translating" inHim's post. I wanted StD to give more indication as to whether he's accusing inHim of being scum based on that behavior, or if he's just throwing his tendrils all over the place. I never really got an elaboration, which was kinda disappointing.PJ wrote:
Glork not noticing that StD was responding to InHim’s post 147 is confirming my thoughts that Glork has just been extremely sloppy this game.Glork, Post 153 wrote:What's your point, StD?
I did (hit on Nightson's post). See my Post 258. I'm pretty much waiting on some kind of response from Nightson, though I really wouldn't mind seeing him wagoned to death in the next 48 hours.PJ wrote:And wow, I can’t believe nobody hit on this post:
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You're getting the most votes and this is all you have to say? Newsflash, Glork only has half the votes you do.bird1111 wrote:I'm here, and am still wondering why there are votes on Glork for normal early day 1 behavior.vote: birdAnd now he's got slightly less then half.
Inhim I don't find suspicious.
Still kinda suspicious of StD, but not enough for a vote right now.Big FoS: Nightson.
Is nobody reading the thread before they post? At the time Bird1111 made the quoted post, he hadone vote, and that was from Twito. It was as aresultof that post that he garnered votes. This post is screaming to me that Nightson was trying to find a reason to vote for Bird1111, and in doing so, he managed to quote Bird completely out of context so his vote would look justified, while also throwing suspicion on Bird.-
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If it really comes to it, I'll hammer Bird on deadline day. Info >>> Not Info.
I still think MBL, Nightson, maybe even Cardinal Ibelly is a better play, though.-
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Question: Did you read my response to PJ, or are you just going along with the notion that I didn't pay attention?klebian wrote:Yay for glork's not paying attention again.
If youdidread my response, do you still think I was being dumb? What led you to that conclusion? If you don't think I was still being dumb, why did you post this response?-
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Glork wrote:
Question: Did you read my response to PJ, or are you just going along with the notion that I didn't pay attention?klebian wrote:Yay for glork's not paying attention again.
If youdidread my response, do you still think I was being dumb? What led you to that conclusion? If you don't think I was still being dumb, why did you post this response?Glork wrote:
Scumbuddies.petroleumjelly wrote:Oh, and <3 MBL.
Which one do we want to kill today? 'Cause, y'know, I'm game either way.-
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What gets me about Ibby isn't even the move from MBL to Bird; it's the way in which she attacked me afterwards. I've had a scumtell on Ibby for a while that when she's scum, she gets very tunnel-visioned on one or two people, to the point where she looks for excuses to continue voting/attacking them. I definitely got that vibe from her when she attacked me early in D1. Yesterday, PJ voiced suspicions against four people: Bird, Nightson, Klebian, and inHim. He voted Klebian and Nightson, gave a half-hearted explanation why he chose them over either of the other two, and pretty much ignored the rest of the situation.
Zindie -- Part of me doubts that the scum didn't know that MBL was one of them. If they did (i.e., if MBL had a traditional Traitor role), targeting him normally recruits him into the Mafia; it doesn't kill him. My guess is that a (very awesome and intelligent) Vigilante decided to nail him overnight. Personally, I feel that it was pretty necessary to get the alignment on either MBL or me. We got into a pretty extended debate, and both MBL and I were right in the middle of things. Truth be told, I expected to be dead in the morning based on the fact that Bird came up scum. And if MBL had died as town, I probably would be the one with a noose practically around my neck. But I don't think that the mafia killed him.
The lack of a kill on a pro-town player is pretty difficult to explain at this point. Nurse, Replacement/Backup, Roleblocker... there's really no way to tell. Let's just chalk it up to good fortune and focus on what we can figure out right now.
By the way, I call hammer on PJ. But I suppose we should let him defend himself first, or something. <.<
Also, this is one of the wagoniest towns that I have ever seen. It reminds me vaguely of Mafia 49 over in NY.-
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Yeah, we pretty much arbitrarily decided MBL was scum last time around. The wagon this time around came a heck of a lot quicker, but it wasn't really founded last time.
I've sortof read PJ's response, and there are a couple of things I want to which I'd like to respond, but it'll have to wait until later in the week.-
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That's a little dumb. I also said that I would hammer if necessary come near-deadline, and I think Zindaras made a similar comment when he moved to Bird. Not everyone can live up to their "I'll hammer if I need to." Just because someone *else* got there first is not a legitimate reason to be pressuring PJ.inHimshallibe wrote:Saying and doing are different things. I don't care how much PJ said he would have voted for bird, the fact remains that he didn't.
In fact, looking at your quote, you say, "I may indeed"... ha, that's not easy to wriggle out of...-
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He's still three from lynch. I don't think we need to concern ourselves with a claim just yet.
I finally finished my philosophy term paper (only 11 hours before it's due >.<)... so I'll get around to actually responding to PJ in full tomorrow. I also need to re-read the past day or two to see what I think of the most recent happenings.-
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