Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[79 CE]

What's wrong about Bulbazak?

His reads and pushes are largely rhetoric.

[79 CE]

You're simply doing nothing in thread TWIE; no one cares about you.

So what I'm wondering Creature is where I can possibly push that you'll follow because I want to move my vote before I sleep.

[79 CE]

So you're aware I'm not scumreading Nos; I need a lot more from them if they're town to cross them off but they're not a scumread and the way that their slot suddenly dropped out of townreads as soon as they were replaced feels very bad to me and makes not want to wagon it at all.

[79 CE]

Maybe someone I didn't strike at my readslist?

Where are you willing to go in the slots I have uncrossed?

[79 CE]

Two scum here probably:

Mathblade

Titus

Ginngie
Creature
QuantumRadius

BTD6_maker
Nosferatu

Two scum here probably:

Rautherdir

Aronis
79 CE

Vedith
A2

Bulbazak

texcat
dramonic

TheWayItEnds

I'll give you a crosslist Creature.

Mathblade

Titus
Ginngie

Creature

QuantumRadius

BTD6_maker

Nosferatu

Rautherdir

Aronis

79 CE

Vedith
A2
Bulbazak

texcat

dramonic

TheWayItEnds

[79 CE]

VOTE: Titus

Like I said, long road ahead of us to the win Creature.

[79 CE]

Night night.

[79 CE]

BTD is a gamestate read. The wagon there could be a bus but it's far likelier that he's just town and the scumreads on him feel pretty bullshit for the most part. I'm not townreading Nos; they're pretty null.

[79 CE]

Ginngie/Bulba/TWIE/?

[79 CE]

Creature are you still townreading those 3?

[79 CE]

Why/how?

[79 CE]

Hahahaha I hadn't seen that video before; that is amazing.

[79 CE]

Aslan, are you scum?

[79 CE]

/me hugs Aslan

[79 CE]

Creature Ginngie and Bulba are pretty obvscum and I'm really not sure how you're managing to have townreads there.

[79 CE]

Post was addressed to Creature, I wasn't calling Creature scum.

Bulba is scum because he hasn't given one genuine read all game and his pushes have no belief behind them; his response to the Titus wagon is completely fake.

I don't scumread TWIE for scumslipping; he should be clearly scum to you for the way that he doesn't give a shit about the game but is faking pro-town behavior of wanting to catch up as soon as it looks like a wagon is going through.

[79 CE]

What's the most obvious scumteam?

[79 CE]

That's... lol.

[79 CE]

dramonic, btd6, aronis, rauthdir and if I am wrong on one, texcat.

What if you're wrong on four?

[79 CE]

YO

I WISH

tbh all you needed to do is scumread Eddie and I'd just melt

I wanted to roll scum with you too. MS hates me though. (Not that I have a better rate of rolling scum off-site.)

Why did you unvote Titus?

[79 CE]

Then I'll work through my PoE. If you're town your view of the gamestate is skewed because you're scumreading people for null behavior and twisting everything to fit that narrative; you're also basing reads off a gambit that scum would've likely seen through and acted accordingly.

[79 CE]

Almost every single one of the reasons you gave me for townreading Math here were wrong and not representative of their play in this game; you did cause me to go back and review their scumgame though and when I did I remembered the tonal difference in their scumgame that's lacking here. Your reads over the last several pages are equally fabricated; whether that makes you scum I'm not able to parse right now because town Titus can do the same thing.

[79 CE]

I don't understand how I'm scumread :/

You have no genuine reads and 90% of your thread activity is manipulation.

[79 CE]

Who are you talking about?

A gambit is manipulation that has an endpoint where the manipulation is made transparent and can be evaluated as such; it's a manipulation of facts with pro-town motive if done correctly that allows the gambiter in most cases to sort the table better. Gin isn't interested in sorting anyone and has no pro-town motive that I can parse.

[79 CE]

Also, I think you are saying manipulation when the correct word is arguing and making deals with people to get what I want.

I don't view that as manipulation if you have real reads that guide it; I don't sense that you do. You did in Fat Boy and I didn't scumread you for that there.

[79 CE]

Girl you need to read this game okay?

You've literally talked me once about a read. Once. And that was like four lines that you just gave up on pretty much immediately. Show me where you've sorted someone in a way that isn't just you putting up appearances. Or have pushed someone in a way that shows you have belief in a read. The way you followed me on Math was sketchy. The way you dropped it to push Nos when you sensed I wasn't going to be pushing that wagon anymore was even worse.

[79 CE]

Naan bread was good but I wish I hadn't burned it :/

[79 CE]

So scum!tracker is a thing

This is role maddness so like, I mean, role doesnt confirm alignment so.

BTD is still a thing.

Still hasn't pushed anyone.

Guys.

So what about, he's a scum tracker, and botched his result?

I've explained why Math is town, why BTD6 is scum, why Nos is tow, we've discussed it. The game is getting stale. No one is listening anymore.

Please, break down BTD's post and tell me how he faked a guilty on Math

I've explained why Math is town, why BTD6 is scum, why Nos is tow, we've discussed it. The game is getting stale. No one is listening anymore.

Please, break down BTD's post and tell me how he faked a guilty on Math

BTD wagoned.
BTD says nothing about his result "no result".
BTD says no result on Math after getting wagoned. That deflects suspicion.
He lurks.

He misread his result.

But it didn't condemn Math did it?

Also deflected what suspicions and what is AI here?

Also lurking isn't AI for BTD

The progression here happens with no input from BTD and is essentially wholly in response to my reads. You're manipulating your read of the game to fit your agenda. Tell me how that isn't true.

[79 CE]

wait, questionare...

Math kept pushing about mass roleblock right and not strongman right?

BTD got no result after checking Math?

Math is ascetic trying to blow smoke to cover that fact?

P-edit: Babe, it's purely people in the light I'm sorting.

But the result also somehow clears Math.

[79 CE]

Oh btw, if Titus is scum, you need to do things.

Like actually vote Titus...

And, once that has happened, you are giving reasons because I know biochem scum!PT was released. You have read Titus wrong, SO, you get to actually use words this game. If you don't, I will also hang Nero Cain over your head from Civ Maf.

But if you're town, actually talking shouldn't be that big a struggle and it actually gives you a chance to play without kicking and screaming and that sounds wonderful :3

How accurate RC usually is on Titus?

95% with a only one hicccup

Only difference being that at the time of the first quote you didn't want to push Titus; at the time of the second you did.

[79 CE]

The progression here happens with no input from BTD and is essentially wholly in response to my reads. You're manipulating your read of the game to fit your agenda. Tell me how that isn't true.

Those posts are over 1200 posts apart where people literally answered my questions about scum!tracker and then some, you can do better than that.

You can do better than that.

The quality of the take is a legality; my point is you're adapting your reads to what serves you and what other people want.

[79 CE]

HOLD THE PRESSES

You mean to tell me I was demanding RC give reasons so we could sort the slot? FUCK IM SO SCUMMY.

nancy, cut the shit.

you're literally taking 1500 posts apart and taking away the middle man which is those 1500 posts.

Reads change over time and you're acting like they're concrete.

You were discrediting RC's read; now you push it without issue. Both were scum!Titus. 1500 posts is irrelevant.

Honey, what's my catchphrase?

Don't know your catchphrase babe.

[79 CE]

Everyone does this. It's a good mark of townplay to work with your townreads.

Ginngie hasn't been working with townreads she's been playing the board. She buddies me hard when I stop townreading her and despite me being conf!town to her doesn't talk with me about reads. Where is the working with townreads?

[79 CE]

nancy you gonna answer my question?

What question?

[79 CE]

That post, was me telling RC she will not be able to do anything without giving reasons.

And both that post and the one before it express disbelief in the soulread without elaboration which is a position you were happy to drop when dropping it allowed you to push Titus.

[79 CE]

79CE, you scumread the obvtown block and still haven't discussed where and why my Math read is wrong. I also frankly, don't see the buddying.

Like Ginggie isn't 100% lock clear but when you're suggesting Creature's scum too, I'm all side eye.

There is absolutely nothing obvtown about Bulba or Ginngie. I don't scumread Math or Creature so you need to read thread.

[79 CE]

I'd scumread you for this bad push on me, you're just town by association of Ari.

And this is why I am completely unable to townread you. This stance is a joke.

[79 CE]

nancy why are you pushing Ginngie for her push on Titus and Unvote like you townread Titus yet haven't unvoted? I don't follow.

I don't townread Titus. I'm not pushing Ginngie for her push on Titus I'm pushing her for not having any real reads.

[79 CE]

So not going to lie, upon reflection while I was strip mining in minecraft, I realized, mastina can soul read me whenever I roll scum and she's a queen (<3) , so like, RC thinking your scum actually holds a lot of weight because that reading relationship is something I can understand

Noted.

Umm you're not scumreading Math but my reasons for TRing them are wrong? Or did we switch heads here?

Most of them are pretty inaccurate, yes.

You yourself have been consistent in head turning reads that don't make sense.

So you're fine to discredit my reads generally as not making sense but won't actually engage on any of them substantively?

[79 CE]

All the reasons you've given me for townreading you are nothings, Gin. I know from experience that you're unable to fake up reads as scum and that is what is lacking from your play and what I have repeatedly tried to get from you without success. All I see is you playing to what people want. I honestly don't believe that you can get through talking to me as scum and you've refused to talk to me all game. Don't see why that would ever be the case if you're town.

[79 CE]

Ok, so we both TR Math but you hate my reasons. At least that's something we agree on.

Let's back up here. What makes a read "genuine"?

If Ginngie and Creature off the table today, who would you vote for?

I don't hate your reasons, Titus, I just don't find them particularly relevant. What makes a read genuine is intangible; there is a level of thought that town have to go through in order to sort alignment that is absent from scum and that scum have to fake; there is a level of investment that town have in their reads and a level of critical engagement in their reads that scum have to fake - reading for whether those elements are present and have that depth is how you determine whether a read is genuine.

Creature is not off the table table; Creature is off the table forever.

[79 CE]

Creature is not off the table today; Creature is off the table forever.

[79 CE]

If you ignore one more fucking time that I was sorting Titus to begin the game

and started the BTD wagon with my own thoughts then you can just be ignored for the rest of the game okay?

I'm done with your shit.

Don't believe you couldn't have faked that as scum; I'm not ignoring it. Nor am I ignoring your involvement in the BTD wagon. You are more than capable of pushing wagons as scum. There are nearly 200 pages and that isn't enough. Don't know why you expect that it should be.

[79 CE]

Some players don't play at all with critical thought. Good logical thinkers think about their own inherent biases and what flaws they can have. Town can just not critically think and troll. I've done some "because I felt like it" moments. This sounds more like how you are projecting town should play versus how we actually do.

Now, Bulbazak, he's town too right?

Titus, you already have my reads. Please update yourself on my ISO so that you don't have to ask these pointless questions. I do not townread Bulba. I'm not projecting how town should play; that would be a selective interpretation of my post.

[79 CE]

Hey gin, you can't fake reads as scum.

Hey gin, I think you can fake that read as scum.

Bye.

Honey that's not what I'm saying. You can make very convincing cases as scum; that's not quite what I see as going through a read.

[79 CE]

I'm asking for clarification because your responses have been clear as mud to me. I thought your hydra was scumreading Math, but I find it's just a nitpick because I'm agreeing for the wrong reasons. I'm trying to figure out why you're attacking obvious town and unable to have anyone reach you at all so we can end this day with a BTD scumflip.

No one is talking to me except you; not sure how anyone can reach me if they don't talk. I was scumreading Math; I'm not anymore. You seem not to have read the part of the thread where that happened?

[79 CE]

. . .
So then WHY AREN'T YOU ON TITUS?
HER READS ARE LITERALLY PAPER THIN

Do you actually know what her reads are?

[79 CE]

Ginngie 79CE stop shouting at each other. This is a game of communication with the thread. You're not going to get the other to say they are scum so like drop it? Trying to convince the other person to say they are scum is futile.

I haven't been shouting. If you're reading my posts that way you're not reading them correctly. I am sorry that Ginnige is frustrated but I don't know what to do about that shy of giving up any attempt at sorting her.

[79 CE]

I didn't see that no. There's a few days where I was basically prod dodging though. So it would help to see where we agree and disagree...

Mathblade
Creature
QuantumRadius
texcat
Aronis

A2
Ginngie
Titus
Nosferatu
Rautherdir
Vedith

dramonic
BTD6_maker

TheWayItEnds
Bulbazak

[79 CE]

Ok why are TWIE and Bulba scumread? Why is Aronis so high? Why are you spending so much time fighting with Ginngie and calling him scum when he's higher than your others? Like I cannot follow you at all.

Gin is a GIRL.
I don't believe I called Gin scum and fighting wasn't my intention; I was trying to talk to her and get her to talk to me so that I can know whether she's town or not but she didn't understand my positions and just talked at me and past me the whole way and there's not a whole lot I can do to control that until she calms down.

[79 CE]

I actually don't feel like talking anymore. I'm upset knowing that Gin is upset and this game is more or less shit until I'm able to resolve that.

[79 CE]

You're right I'm sorry, I forgot I made that post. I have a ton of concerns about your play and I'm not townreading you is what is going on for me.

[79 CE]

This is what happens to me when I'm driven insane by a game that refuses to talk to me.

[79 CE]

It's been this way for me since I got back from V/LA.

[79 CE]

So I need to talk less in order to have people talk to me? I barely posted for days and people didn't talk to me back then. Here's how you sort me: I don't lose my mind like this when I'm scum. Done.

[79 CE]

This is literally why I only hydra now because this doesn't happen when I have someone to fucking talk to.

[79 CE]

I love you too :'(

[79 CE]

Tomorrow night, you and me, won't talk about each other, just organize the players in the game in some list, and I'll do the same, and we'll talk in the middle.

Would you like that?

I would. Like around now or earlier?

[79 CE]

I mostly cast because of 79 CE.

You picked her.

[79 CE]

I mostly cast because of 79 CE.

The guy who has been incoherently yelling you're scum along with everyone else who sheeped him?

Pretty sure 79 CE mean't in that post "Hey Creature. Ginn and Bulba are obvscum"

Already clarified this with her she's just pushing what she wants to believe. And I made that post when I was an emotionally unstable mess so you can pretty much ignore it.

[79 CE]

Town: Math, 79 CE, Titus, Ginngie, Bulba, Creature, QR, dram
Null: Vedith, A2, Rauth, BTD
Scum: Aronis, TWIE, Nos, texcat

basically where I'm at, lol bai

Join me on BTD6 or vote Nos then.

I think you're still voting Titus if you aren't apologies no time to check.

He unvoted.

[79 CE]

@Rauth

Sure. These are pretty basic at the moment, sorry.

Most of these aren't reads and I'd specifically like you to walk me through your progression; talk to me about how you arrived at each read, talk to me in as much detail as you're able to about what precisely your read is on their alignment. I'm not asking you to write an essay, but what you've written here is not even close to enough. I struggle to believe that you could have done so little sorting over 170 pages if you're town here; I need you to give me actual reads and show me your work, please.

[79 CE]

We've enforced an arbitrary rule to not lynch in the dark today and that rule has led to this game growing increasingly toxic. So before it gets to a point where the mod has to intervene, I'm going to just say no to this arbitrary rule. Besides, Ginngie can probably switch to the roleblocking style of playing jailkeeper and hit what she thinks is scum and move from there.

Lynching in Light is optimal unless you want to guarantee that our protectives are sitting ducks night 2.

[79 CE]

Titus, both hoods are incredibly likely to have at least one scum in them. We don't need night results to tell us that.

[79 CE]

Rauth, I do not care if you reread. You don't need to reread to talk to me about your reads.

[79 CE]

You don't get how scary it is to be us tho.
There's a role that makes us useless in the light currently.
The protective can be protecting if we don't have an active scum who can fuck that up

Lynching in Light is optimal unless you want to guarantee that our protectives are sitting ducks night 2.

[79 CE]

Rauth, I do not care if you reread. You don't need to reread to talk to me about your reads.

[79 CE]

What reads do you want me to talk about right now?

I'd like to hear about all your reads; if you don't want to talk about all your reads then talk about whichever reads you're capable of talking about. I need to know how you have sorted slots the way you have; show me your process, please.

[79 CE]

Example: Creature is town because I have a pretty solid understanding of Creature's meta and his scumgame and towngame are miles apart to the extent that I am able to effectively consider him mod confirmed town at this point in the game.

[79 CE]

Creature I'm not really concerned about quality of scumhunting from Rauther; I'm interested in seeing that he has done the work to get the kind of reads I know he's capable of getting as town.

[79 CE]

I'm pretty aware of that Titus, thanks; I don't want Rauth to think that I want him to catch scum for me when that's not quite what I'm after from him.

[79 CE]

Creature I'm not really concerned about quality of scumhunting from Rauther; I'm interested in seeing that he has done the work to get the kind of reads I know he's capable of getting as town.

Yeah, I know I can do better. It helps if I keep a document with everyone's names and my notes in it from the start of the game. Which I didn't do for this game for some reason. I'm playing some music and looking at ISOs now though, I'll do light first and then dark.

Thanks Rauth.

[79 CE]

Unvote

Back in 12 hours for you Gin.

[79 CE]

Right after voting, they went to sleep, and I didn't want to disappoint them.

Then you shouldn't have suggested her. Who do you want if not Titus?

A little sad that Rauth didn't follow through.

[79 CE]

VOTE: Titus

[79 CE]

Apparently the last time I made a phonepost the game was at 35 pages...

Im doing the PineReplaceIn Catchup Routine

TM

and reading the latest 10 pages (well, 13). I'm hoping this will get me

back

into the game! Everything I read has so much context though that I don't know how effective this will be.

A couple noted off the top though: I agree with, and came to on my own with what little I read through the game, nancy's scumread on Math.

Also,

Everyone does this. It's a good mark of townplay to work with your townreads.

Ginngie hasn't been working with townreads she's been playing the board. She buddies me hard when I stop townreading her and despite me being conf!town to her doesn't talk with me about reads. Where is the working with townreads?

I'd scumread you for this bad push on me, you're just town by association of Ari.

This is bullshit. How can you read me? How can a read on me, even if you have one, outweigh your read on the head that is actually playing the game!?

Like, I actually want to know.

Were still not signing, right nancy?
Maybe I should since i have so few posts.

- Ari

[79 CE]

Will wagon Math to get them to claim since they're beating around the bush if BTD blocked them or not.

Last I read they said "NO" when you asked them fir a claim. Why would a wagon change this, especially if the roleblock theory is still in play?

- Ari

[79 CE]

Ari, it's because you said fuck you

Oh! Ahaha

That's actually a good reason

Carry on!

- Ari

[79 CE]

I was scumreading Math; I'm not anymore. You seem not to have read the part of the thread where that happened?

Lol apparently so did I

Like, I'm getting food to ISO dive you because it feels like there is this pattern where you'll attack me where it seems like another player will start an argument with me and then you'll tag along to throw a cheap shot, and then I question you or do one follow up and you back off going, 'my bad.'

This seems accurate from my iccasional thread skims. I look forward to your indepth look

- Ari

Ninja'd
Oh, A2 agrees.
Thats nice, even if confusing. Lol

[79 CE]

So I need to talk less in order to have people talk to me? I barely posted for days and people didn't talk to me back then. Here's how you sort me: I don't lose my mind like this when I'm scum. Done.

This is literally why I only hydra now because this doesn't happen when I have someone to fucking talk to.

I'm so sorry nancy

I can attest to this being good meta though! Does it even count as self meta when I say it? Maybe.

nancy, I'll be better and be here and I'm so sorry again!
<3

- Ari
(As if I need to sign this post)

[79 CE]

What's the VC at?

mastina has been slacking lately

which honestly I dont mind cause this way I get to steal her

Hey!
You shouldn't steal people!!!
How can mastina post VCs if you steal her!!!
Im reporting y-

Pagetop!

God Dammit!

- Ari

[79 CE]

<3
Don't worry Ari I was having a bad moment and it wasn't your fault.

[79 CE]

Im doing the PineReplaceIn Catchup RoutineTM and reading the latest 10 pages (well, 13). I'm hoping this will get me back into the game! Everything I read has so much context though that I don't know how effective this will be.

Uh this isn't going to help because you're literally going to be reading me having emotional problems and shitting them into the game thread and the rest is just more noise.

[79 CE]

Zoidberging

I haven't a clue what this means.

I like it a lot! But I don'tget it at all...
- Ari

[79 CE]

I am currently going under the most stressful event of my life right now

*hugs*
*hugs*

[79 CE]

Zoidberging

I haven't a clue what this means.

I like it a lot! But I don'tget it at all...
- Ari

[79 CE]

<3
Don't worry Ari I was having a bad moment and it wasn't your fault.

I kniw but it still is part of my job to be here!
Otherwise you get to have all yhe fun!

I am currently going under the most stressful event of my life right now

Oh no!!
*hugs* <3
Remember that we love you, Ginngie

Im doing the PineReplaceIn Catchup RoutineTM and reading the latest 10 pages (well, 13). I'm hoping this will get me back into the game! Everything I read has so much context though that I don't know how effective this will be.

Uh this isn't going to help because you're literally going to be reading me having emotional problems and shitting them into the game thread and the rest is just more noise.

I'm almost through. Its only taken an hour.
I didn't get ~much~ from this, but I'm here and I'm trying!!

- Ari

Zoidberg ninja <3
Makes sense! XD

[79 CE]

It's a funny analogy, it's just completely inaccurate.

[79 CE]

Oh god that's awful. *hugs*
My girlfriend woke up once with a spider literally sleeping next to her under her arm or it might've been by her neck but it was right the fuck there in her face when she woke and just like fuck holy shit how did that get there she could've died in the night you know.

[79 CE]

I didn't see that no. There's a few days where I was basically prod dodging though. So it would help to see where we agree and disagree...

Mathblade
TheWayItEnds
Bulbazak

why are these together

I'm presuming you accidentally included MathBlade there and are referring to the bottom two. TWIE is active lurking without even putting up a pretense of being town and Bulba is all pretense.

[79 CE]

Which interactions are you looking at?

[79 CE]

Still waiting on the quote that doesn't exist of where I said I was blocked.

Still don't see it in what you cited.

All I have said is wifom of whether I am blocked or not as that is all I can give.

I went back to prove you wrong and found nothing.

However,

That's kind of my issue. I feel like if you were town you would've made this a 1v1 and been screaming to high heavens for BTD's head. Why haven't you?

Because I don't know what happened. BTD6 could have blocked me or maybe he didn't. There is no way for me to know. I scumread BTD6 but if I explain it requires claiming and I would rather hunt. Scum want to know something I am pretty damn sure that is why I am being wagoned.

Groceries beckon.

Merged thoughts. Could have been blocked or tracked me*

This should shut Bulba up.

Bulba, look at this post edit. Why are you cherry picking a line from a post and not looking at how it was corrected in the literal next post!?

Ginngie, you quoted this too. How did you miss that?

Like geez! Reading is hard, I know! But if I can catch things like this why cant you??
Bulba, you asked this question like 10 times using a bad quote. Wtf dude!
How are they avoiding answering if it isnt even what they meant to say in the first place?

- Ari

Many ninjas...

[79 CE]

LITERALLY, there is no action, where you can not tell if your action was blocked or not.

Protective?

- Ari

[79 CE]

They still said BTD could have blocked them. This is not a bad cherry pick. That's literally what they say. They still floated the idea of BTD blocking them. So the question is simple: "Were you blocked? Y/N."

They said that maybe BTD was blocked...

Are we reading the same thing here? Am I dumb or something?

No. You are misreading their post methinks.

- Ari

[79 CE]

Ari, question.

Why would Math think they were blocked, if their action wasn't blocked?

P-edit: We have 3 claimed protectives already in the light

They literally did not say this though!

And who cares. Lets all be protectives! Changes nothing yo!

- Ari

[79 CE]

You're ganging up on poor MathBlade

Staaaaaaawp it.

Are you scumreading Bulba yet? ^_^

[79 CE]

And if that's seriously what Math meant, if they never meant to say block and just mistyped twice, then it shouldn't be too hard to say, "I mispoke, Bulba, you numbnuts! I meant track. I just got confused with BTD's claim.", instead of dodging and just saying "I dunno." over and over again.

Thats not how you asked it though.
"Were you blocked?"
"I don't know"
Is perfectly reasonable!

"Are you claiming you were blocked?"
"I don't know if I was blocked"
Is also gine!

You're ganging up on poor MathBlade

Staaaaaaawp it.

Antibully ranger to the rescue!!!!

yo yo yo
ari must be rappa
cuz he is hella dappa

<3

Holy ninjas again.
Im going to bed soon. Jist an fyi

[79 CE]

Atta girl <3

[79 CE]

Bulba you should make an alt called Rhetoric Ralph I think it would suit you.

[79 CE]

I. Don't. Care. About. Mathblade's. Role.

I just want them to stop dodging a very simple question. And I don't like that CE decides to come in and play WK. Yes, it's a very simple question. Yes, it might be based on a mistake. But why is it so dang hard for Math to just answer and address instead of avoiding it?

Im just clarifying the situation so we can stop this silliness!

Thanks for that edit Ginngie!

Also, I was the post that said Ninjas as well. Didnt sign.

- Ari

[79 CE]

I don't think I've said ninjas once ever

[79 CE]

And when the question is "Are you claiming you were blocked now?", "I don't know

if I was blocked

" is not a correct answer. It's a yes or no question.

I added a suggested assumption. I think it might help.

- Ari

Ninja'd
Well I do all the time nancy!

Wait...you just said it! Liar! XD

[79 CE]

Essentially, Bulba is whining and wants steaming piles of shit to push so that it looks like he's doing something. Can we all just ignore the slot now?

pedit ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you got me

[79 CE]

If this was all based on a misreading, then Math could have said "No, that's not what I'm saying at all.", and we'd continue on our merry way. If that was what they were saying, then we now have more to consider when trying to piece together what scum were doing in the light PT. In total, it doesn't say anything about Math's actual role. I could care less what Math is, and that's never been what my push has been about. And I hate that this is what my Math read is being simplified into, because it's really about Math keeping options open and distracting from the strongman hunt.

I mean, you quoted this question too many times to count and continually brought it up. So like, blame us if you want but you are the one who made it feel like the brunt of your case.

Essentially, Bulba is whining and wants steaming piles of shit to push so that it looks like he's doing something. Can we all just ignore the slot now?

pedit ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you got me

Sure!

- Ari

[79 CE]

It's awkward when you townread obvscum. Don't think I'm actually fighting with Bulba although he'd clearly love nothing more.

[79 CE]

Apparently CE just wants to fling crap at a wall and lynch based on how the fecal matter coalesces. Because screw giving reasoning! Am I right? We'll just call random people scum, insult their reasoning by saying reasoning and argumentation is scummy, and then just call it a day, because we can't be bothered to actually explain why we think what we think. Because there's no thinking involved. It's just random squawking at empty spaces and barking at figments.

Garbage post.
Nicely done though! I almost like it!

- Ari

[79 CE]

Ya know what this town needs
a leader


So ywall can do whatever the fuck it is ywall are doing right now
and then um...
and then the day will end
most likely in a town lynch because this game is like
an exact replica of Civ.

And I'll laugh at you
I mean
I would attempt to derail both wagons right now
but the way the gamestate is currently no one will listen to me.

But I'll laugh
and then tomorrow I'll just start leading lynches.


I can't lurk on this alt for this game
Like
I want to limit my posting
but if this town like straight up won't let me and will just keep on adding page after page after page not doing anything and just not being cohesive
then yes, I will have to spampost
and lead lynches

The difference is my focus is elswhere; where my mind is: I'm waiting for Nosferatu to respond to me and talk to me about he's seeing; I'm waiting for Nosferatu to finish catching up; I'm waiting for Rauth to potentially respond to me; there are things that I'm doing and I'm playing slowly and methodically in the bigger picture of this, my activity here is just because it's fun to chat and watch people run around with their heads off looking at nothing AI, this has nothing to do with them.

[79 CE]

Im not ignoring you, A2!

- Ari

[79 CE]

I'm being a bit of a dick though and its 3:30am so Im gonna go to bed I think.

Ill be back!

- Ari

Lol ninjad some more. Ill read these before I go!

[79 CE]

Like
I can't see any other way
but to spampost and lead lynches

If I make a post every once and awhile
no one will care about what I have to say and I'll just be ignored
so....

You should know I'm always listening. Talk to me about anything ever and I'm here (unless I'm stuck in a chaos of mental illness in which case you'll have to wait until I find the clear waters again). I have about 4 slots left that I need to sort before I have a functional PoE and anything you want to do to help me further that is welcome.

[79 CE]

Ari I'm refering about when I wanted to push nos
but no one cared


Like that slot has done nothing and is probably scum


But there are more
scummier
people that need to be taken care of.

I don't think Nos has done anything very scummy; he hasn't done a lot and what he has done hasn't been good but he hasn't done anything atrocious. What is/was your read on his predecessor?

[79 CE]

VOTE: BTD

go go go

You know if I didn't believe that you are probably town because of all the AtE you threw at me I would completely be scumreading you for this.

[79 CE]

I really wish I had a bunch a vig shots right now.

same, that way I could shoot you, Titus, Creature, 79 CE, BTD6, 79 CE, texcat, and 79 CE.

So...you want to shoot town?

Good to know!

- Ari

Oh god were posting too much! MS just told me so!
"You cannot make another podt so soon after your last."

It does this when it thinks you are spamming a thread.
I've only seen it once before, when copypasting 17 role pms 1 by one in a mod thread. It stopped me at 15.

I wrote all this to delay so i can post again. I hope you enjoyed my story!

Aaand ninjas too.

[79 CE]

yas

bus lets gooo

Which interactions are you looking at?

[79 CE]

I hate the fact that Narna upon replacing in did like
nothing


And nancy
what you described
is like
the definition of what I look for when I scumhunt.

I do too. But I'm talking about Kelvin.

[79 CE]

Kelvin talked about mafia theory and not about actual reads hun

I'm asking A2 for her read on him; if you want to talk about your read there too you're more than welcome to.

Kelvin flaked because of meatworld.

[79 CE]

Who?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=72208&user_select%5B%5D=30045

[79 CE]

I don't think I can stand much more with this without either punching something or breaking down and crying.

I just can't.

I'm really sorry we led you to feeling like this.

Sincerest apologies and hopes that we can be more productive when better rested!
Be well!!!

- Ari

[79 CE]

VOTE: Nosferatu

[79 CE]

BTD6_maker - 5 (Aronis, Titus, Mathblade, Bulbazak, Vedith)
Nosferatu - 5 (BTD6_maker, 79 CE, Ginngie, A2, Nosferatu)
Titus - 3 (dramonic, QuantumRadius, texcat)
dramonic - 1 (Rautherdir)

Not Voting - 2 (TheWayItEnds, Creature)

[79 CE]

See
now we're doing something that's like
somewhat actually competent

holy shit
maybe we can save this town.

If Titus and Bulba keep out of my way we'll be fine.

[79 CE]

Nosferatu - 5 (BTD6_maker, 79 CE, Ginngie, A2, Nosferatu)
BTD6_maker - 4 (Aronis, Titus, Bulbazak, Vedith)
Titus - 3 (dramonic, QuantumRadius, texcat)
dramonic - 1 (Rautherdir)

Not Voting - 2 (TheWayItEnds, Creature, Mathblade)

[79 CE]

nonono we just lynch Bulba instead.

I have no desire to lynch Bulba today.

[79 CE]

@Creature that was my EoD vote ftr. Join up please.

[79 CE]

<3

(I love being a quadruple voter. )

[79 CE]

Spoiler: clear water reads

Town:
Mathblade
Creature
QuantumRadius
Ginngie
A2
Bulbazak (obvscum regardless of alignment )
Titus (yuckytown)

To sort:
texcat
Vedith
BTD6_maker
Aronis
dramonic

Scum:
Rautherdir
TheWayItEnds
Nosferatu

Could've narrowed the PoE further by waiting for BTD to come off V/LA but when it's time to lynch it's time to lynch.

[79 CE]

Rest easy honey; I've solved enough today for the work to be simple going forward. We're fine to end the day now.

[79 CE]

Titus, I didn't ask for your vote nor do I need it. You can cry all you want about a result you don't understand but the content of both slots speaks for themselves. I've been waiting and waiting for Nos to give me anything to question my read on his slot and he's given me nothing; he literally self-voted. He is quite simply scum. Spam the thread all you want in protest, Nos is getting lynched.

[79 CE]

The lack of conent from BTD6 speaks of V/LA.

[79 CE]

BTD can be sorted tomorrow and through night actions. He's V/LA and a chronic lurker as either alignment; lynching him today has always been fine for me if there were no better options, but Nos replaced in and didn't change his slot, RC replaced in and was scum, Rauth wasn't able to provide any reads at all and threw a panic vote on dramonic; there are better options than BTD on the table right now and Nos is the one that we are able to make happen. You're stuck in a narrative and it's not helpful.

[79 CE]

Nos is not providing content, nor did he claim Tracker.

[79 CE]

Quote me this good content that Nos is providing.

[79 CE]

[79 CE]

Titus, you should read this post a few times. Just for funsies.

I've just found it odd that he was voted in for that reason, but no one's said anything about it since.

Yeah we got what we wanted from that. Basically, that Aronis was lying and Rautherdir has some other link.

Ya think? Aronis's sarcasm was a mile thick.

I'll take you on that Math action, though. I'm too tired to put up much more of a fight today. I'll try to get to some of that stuff that I promised you earlier.

I understand. I am offering because I have been wrong on Math before and some of my townreads agree with you. It's a bit of a peace offering to keep town together.

@Math, If BTD and you are both town, sorry in advance.

GIANT RED FLAG

Essentially, Bulba is whining and wants steaming piles of shit to push so that it looks like he's doing something. Can we all just ignore the slot now?

pedit ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you got me

It took you 5000 posts to find out?

I really wish I had a bunch a vig shots right now.

We'd have lost the game already.

Spoiler: clear water reads

Town:
Mathblade
Creature
QuantumRadius
Ginngie
A2
Bulbazak (obvscum regardless of alignment )
Titus (yuckytown)

To sort:
texcat
Vedith
BTD6_maker
Aronis
dramonic

Scum:
Rautherdir
TheWayItEnds
Nosferatu

Could've narrowed the PoE further by waiting for BTD to come off V/LA but when it's time to lynch it's time to lynch.

Most of the scumteam is in your town reads. Go you.


Do we really want another deadline quickwagon on town?
Of course we do.

You fucking people.

[79 CE]

Really, being sick of you wagonning town is a fucking siren call Nos is town here.

Now look at BTD's claim and try to tell me that shit is legit. Try. It is fake as crap.

BTD tried to argue that his wagon was going nowhere was a tracker crumb. Absurd.

Only person I've been wagoning lately is you because you push things like Math is scum if BTD flips town. BTD's claim is crap and absurd, yes, which is exactly his play as either alignment. He's not making it to LyLo regardless of alignment and if he's scum then by keeping him alive we get information from him through night actions. If he's town we get to sort him tomorrow when there is actually time and he's not on V/LA.

Do I need to remind you that you were in fact scumreading Nos' slot until you decided that you wanted to oppose me on everything and his content must be really good and town?

[79 CE]

See, another scum trying to strawman my argument for Nos town to save BTD. Aronis isn't wagoned and his post gives him an excuse to stop bussing.

VOTE: Creature

VOTE: 79 CE

We're all scum, Titus.

[79 CE]

Titus, you scumread BTD to hell and beyond and yet say that Nos is a real good town. There's so much dissonance in your narrative I don't know how you stand the vertigo.

[79 CE]

Who in that scumteam coached him to claim, Titus?

[79 CE]

I have a vig I just can't get into the right PT to use it.

[79 CE]

I thought you were playing League.

[79 CE]

If A2 and Ginngie were here we could totally blitzhammer BTD right now.

[79 CE]

Nos' self-vote wasn't frustration.

[79 CE]

Nos was joking around in thread and his self-vote was also a joke.

[79 CE]

Aronis, you should vote BTD again so that Titus can go play League.

[79 CE]

Halfway through my reads list I realized a couple of things that have forced me to reset.

So... UNVOTE:

It could take me a day or two to go through everything again. I realized I didn't have enough scum-reads and too many hard-town reads.

Rauth, there is no such thing as having too many of X reads. You have your reads. They are your reads. It's that simple. Also, I am not asking you for a readslist; I am asking you to show your process. What were you looking at that caused you to reset? Where were your reads at that point?

[79 CE]

This mafia team feels like it's gonna be a glass cannon.

It's gonna be a flawless win or they fall apart in one fell swoop

[79 CE]

VOTE: BTD

HAMMERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[79 CE]

Pretty tired of the gambits; if you have a result on MathBlade then out it otherwise explain why you are scumreading them by play and we can move on from there.

[79 CE]

nancy I miss you already

I'd still like you to answer my question; I'd also like you to talk about why you're townreading TWIE even if that's not a scumread I'm particularly interested in right now.

[79 CE]

@Bulba if you're town I'm not sure I understand the reluctance to go over reads with me when I'm actually available for it; you were complaining yesterday in a pretty abrasive way that I refused to talk with you even though there were no occasions where that happened for game-related reasons; both times it was because I was unwell IRL - that seems pretty disrespectful to me and not really in observance of the facts. If you want to talk about your reads in a substantive way then I am all ears; if you want to produce a readslist that would be pretty helpful for starters.

[79 CE]

Titus' reaction to the BTD flip. It should be accessible via your browsing history if you find the right tab and go back if necessary.

@dramonic why are you scumreading Titus?

[79 CE]

I'd like someone from the Light PT to give me a summary of how the votes went during Dawn if possible; A2 is an interesting choice and I'm curious who pushed for that and who else had support by whom.

[79 CE]

I'll see when, exactly?

[79 CE]

Don't see why you can't just tell me now; if we're deciding a lynch within 24 hours I want to be as informed as possible.

[79 CE]

You're going to have to share why Titus should be confirmed town.

[79 CE]

Vote: dramonic

I'd rather lynch this than Nosferatu right now.

[79 CE]

Because scum tried to weaken the protective block in the light. They essentially put up big freaking neon lights reading "Titus is Town Bodyguard!" when they made the switch.

Bodyguard is basically a non-role, if scum wanted to weaken the protective bloc they would've moved Creature or Gin.

[79 CE]

You're no longer scumreading Bulba?

[79 CE]

Unsure if we have to redo votes or not but.

Vote: dramonic

[79 CE]

Again, if Titus stays out of my way we'll do fine.

[79 CE]

Quantum and A2 have just been elevated to conf. town. That only leaves Mathblade as an explanation for the Snarky kill.

Maybe; Nosferatu flipped without a boon and that could have been the strongarm.

[79 CE]

That does indeed sound like scum!Math.

VOTE: Math

[79 CE]

Interesting if they're scum here; tonally they're different from what I've seen from their scumgame. Everything else feels the same but that alone made me reconsider my read there; guess I'm going to have look more into that to see if they're legitimately close to their towngame here or if this is caused by their new schedule.

[79 CE]

If Math flips scum Aronis makes a decent amount of sense as a partner.

[79 CE]

I'd suggest bringing over in Dawn whomever scum switches out overnight; pretty sure my role is shit so I'm not really going to be doing much in the Light PT.

[79 CE]

Why would scum kill Rauth?

Same goes for pretty much any scumteam composition; it was a terrible kill regardless of who is scum.

[79 CE]

Yo A2,
Have I told you lately tbat you fucking rock?

I had scum Math early but by the time I got to that nancy had them as town. If they are reasonably assumed to be scum by PoE I am happy to revert to that old read. I believe I said something along the lines of "theres no say this is townMath! They are nothing like in [that game I modded where he outed his alt but it may not be public knowledge still]!"

- Ari

[79 CE]

Everyone just ignore the fact that I tried to powerwagon both Nosferatu and MathBlade but Titus blocked me both times

[79 CE]

QR vote Math please

[79 CE]

Don't remember if it was here or in the Dark PT but all of TWIE's scumreads are obvtown slots; his play here deserves a policy lynch if nothing else.

[79 CE]

Same goes for dramonic, basically.

[79 CE]

Anyway, I've got no more time left right now; I hope we can do accelerated deadlines although I suspect there are too many belligerent assholes in this playerlist for that to happen.

[79 CE]

Be nice nancy!

We can win this no matter who we have to drag kicking and screaming along with us!

I would be cool with quicker phases though.

- Ari

Ninja'd
Lmao! Dram, weve got this! No worries

[79 CE]

actually

vote: dramonic

There.
You're convinced we can win anyways.

Come on, man! This is just silly.

Who do you think is scum in that townblock? I'd like to know!
Like, I'm not 100% on board with the townblock. I think there could be scum there. But I'm also willing to work with the block for now and see where it takes us. I think there is a strong chance we can win by using this block and if there is scum in it they will be found!

But to do this I need people like you, good players who aren't in the block, to point out the flaws in the block's players! Its integral really if we expect to succeed! We may get blinded by our faith in the block, but you won't!

So please, who is the scum that has duped us, Dram?

- Ari

[79 CE]

I can't believe you're asking that.
Like, I've been yelling for 200 pages now.
Did you miss the entirety of Day 2? Did you miss how Titus consistently tried to frame me for her mislynch? Did you miss how she actively derailed the Nos wagon (on scum) to get a BTD lynch? (On town). Did you see the fake gambit, that OH SO CONVENIENTLY would confirm her? Did you miss that she stopped posting in the dark QT even though Titus spams the shit out of every thread she touches?

I've given PLENTY of thoughts on PLENTY of players which got entirely discarded because the only way to get to people is to suck them off.
Fuck
That
Noise

I have missed a shit tonne this game. I have made that evident at every turn.

I do, however, have my doubts mostly on Titus in that townblock and am uncomfortable with her gaining status there.
I forgot she was in the Dark PT which is indeed odd for someone like her.

So yeah?
I'm asking because I've missed a lot! I appreciate you reiterating because I'm simply not going to look back to find any of it. nancy mentioned Titus going against good wagons. This has not been forgotten by me.

Like, I still want to work with you if I can

Aronis is prob scum tho imo.

- Ari

Many ninjas. Will read.

[79 CE]

actually

vote: dramonic

There.
You're convinced we can win anyways.

hey can we lynch me too
VOTE: Aronis
that townblock is pretty fucking stupid
would love to see it implode

Although I believe you to be scum, I'd like your answer to my perspective question at Dram too
I'd sheep you here but I respect nancy's vote.

actually

vote: dramonic

There.
You're convinced we can win anyways.

Come on, man! This is just silly.

Who do you think is scum in that townblock? I'd like to know!
Like, I'm not 100% on board with the townblock. I think there could be scum there. But I'm also willing to work with the block for now and see where it takes us. I think there is a strong chance we can win by using this block and if there is scum in it they will be found!

But to do this I need people like you, good players who aren't in the block, to point out the flaws in the block's players! Its integral really if we expect to succeed! We may get blinded by our faith in the block, but you won't!

So please, who is the scum that has duped us, Dram?

- Ari

you are for starters

Hahaha awesome. If you say so!
Who else? I want a juicy list with reasons! Lay it all down!

- Ari

[79 CE]

I can't believe you're asking that.
Like, I've been yelling for 200 pages now.
Did you miss the entirety of Day 2? Did you miss how Titus consistently tried to frame me for her mislynch? Did you miss how she actively derailed the Nos wagon (on scum) to get a BTD lynch? (On town). Did you see the fake gambit, that OH SO CONVENIENTLY would confirm her? Did you miss that she stopped posting in the dark QT even though Titus spams the shit out of every thread she touches?

I've given PLENTY of thoughts on PLENTY of players which got entirely discarded because the only way to get to people is to suck them off.
Fuck
That
Noise

I have missed a shit tonne this game. I have made that evident at every turn.

I do, however, have my doubts mostly on Titus in that townblock and am uncomfortable with her gaining status there.
I forgot she was in the Dark PT which is indeed odd for someone like her.

So yeah?
I'm asking because I've missed a lot! I appreciate you reiterating because I'm simply not going to look back to find any of it. nancy mentioned Titus going against good wagons. This has not been forgotten by me.

Like, I still want to work with you if I can

Aronis is prob scum tho imo.

- Ari

Many ninjas. Will read.

dont waste your time
tl;dr: lynch me
i want to laugh at you from the dead PT as your townblock collapses

You have no clue how twmpting this offer is!

I want that list of townblock scum first tho!

- Ari

[79 CE]

I like this, Math!

Shit.

Okay, so with this my personal list of appropriate lynches changes a bit.
{Bulba, Aronis, TWIE, Titus}

Some mire than others. Aronis is growing on me. Math and Ginngie could always sub in there if we get to a point that they have to (or if Bulba torns out to throw this whole thing awry).

I dobt see lynching outside of this ever being necessary tbg.

- Ari

Inb4 ninjas
Yup, lots.

Oh, and aronis, continue this 1 by one! Its fun!

[79 CE]

UNVOTE:

Sorry nancy.

- Ari

[79 CE]

IF THERE WAS A BUS DRIVER

AND NO STRONGMAN

THEN BY SHOOTING SNARKY

THEY WOULD SHOOT BTD INSTEAD

WHO WOULD STILL BE IN MY PROTECTION

TITUS IS BODYGUARD AND PROTECTED HIM

I PROTECTED HIM.

NOS CANT ROLEBLOCK BOTH TITUS AND MYSELF.

Wait you blocked BTD? I missed that somewhere in all this.

Why is Math assuming Nos blocked him then?
He seems to think there was no claimed block there.

I dont remember enough to be active im sorry
Or at least not enough to not look like a dumbass when I am active.

- Ari

[79 CE]

Ari I'm sorry but Math is conf!scum to me. Why are you doubting their lynch?

<<< Hydra-slip deleted. >>>

[79 CE]

I don't find the reasoning for townreading Titus to be at all good. A2 townreads her because she played equally shit in Spring Fever. Bulba townreads her because she was switched to the Dark despite the fact that scum didn't even kill in protectives. If there is some other reason I should know about please share; I don't get it.

[79 CE]

Ari I'm sorry but Math is conf!scum to me. Why are you doubting their lynch?

probably me not getting something or whatever. I like the claim and recent posts from Math and I want to sort them proper before we go ahead with this.

But I'm not going to get in the way of progress.

Place the vote again if you like, I wont argue it! I just want to sort these claims and fogure put how legit it is, and if it is legit, how town/scum that makes them.

- Ari

[79 CE]

Nope, I haven't thought about the claim in detail so do what you got to do, no desire to vote until we're on the same page whatever that page may be.

[79 CE]

Do you still think Titus is scum?

[79 CE]

That's actually exactly how a Redirector works, Bulba. And you're basing your read on Titus for extremely simplistic reasons that you have very limited data to support.

[79 CE]

Not sure you're even thinking things through at this point; scum will know exactly what you've claimed as soon as we go to night when they switch someone out - unless you're assuming that they'd never switch scum into the Light PT at this point.

[79 CE]

Not to mention by your logic I should be scumreading you at this point?

[79 CE]

Redirector works by switching the target of a player. It doesn't make everyone targeting that player target another player. That's a deflector.

Thanks.

[79 CE]

So scum switch scum in and town out all the time therefore Titus is town but in your case it was a frame job. Again, this kind of selective interpretation of evidence is why I keep being unable to townread you; your stances are supported by spin. There has never been a wagon on your slot all game.

[79 CE]

Possible that it was a scum-scum; there have been two switches and you're behaving as though that provides conclusive evidence as to scum's agenda; it doesn't. You being town doesn't mean that you interpret the switch as a frame job if you're town; it means that you drop the spin and stop townreading Titus for bad reasons.

[79 CE]

Look back at the end of day 2. Look how many "Bulba is scum" softs there are. I was on and pushed the Eddie lynch. The tides were turning against me end of d2. Put 2 and 2 together genius. Scum don't need wagons to be a thing to make a future lynch viable. They just have to pay freaking attention.

You're going to have to show me what a Bulba is scum soft looks like; pretty sure I was the only one calling you scum in any significant manner - Aslan continued to scumread you after I dropped the read during the night. No one else in Dark PT has expressed any desire to lynch you.

[79 CE]

If you're townreading her by play then I'd be happy to talk about that; her response to the BTD townflip in Dark PT feels like scum and I scumread her for it - don't think that switching out a Bodyguard is at all +EV for scum; it makes some sense in scum!Math/town!Titus world but I have no intention of basing my read on a switch when her play speaks to me otherwise. Again, don't follow your reasoning on why removing the Bodyguard significantly weakens the protective bloc - scum didn't target the protective block with the kill so I don't see what you're basing this narrative on. Again, if scum's agenda is to switch out town how is their agenda also to be pushing Titus for scum while switching her out? There's a ton of logical dissonance in your stance here and I'd like you to show me your process a little more on this.

[79 CE]

It's not even close to unreasonable that scum!Titus would think on her feet and claim a weak protective role to make herself seem town once Gin made that claim; as scum she would know that a strongarm was used and Snarky was a claimed Cop so it's pretty obvious where town protection would be going; don't think that reasoning is good at all for town!Titus. The rest is pretty much WIFOM; I don't think Titus would've had much sway over anyone in Light PT after BTD flipping town so removing herself doesn't seem impossible to me; this also seems like pretty weak reasoning to me. Overall you've made some pretty heavy conjecture; I don't find any of it to particularly compelling.

[79 CE]

Except Gin never claimed JK or protective at that point. She just said she had information that pointed to scum in the PT. Titus was the first to claim protective AND said there was a strongman. That was not anticipating what Gin was about to say and getting ahead of it. That was a genuine claim.

Again, don't think it'd be very difficult for scum!Titus to put two and two together and jump at the possibility of Gin being protective having targeted Snarky. You're assuming that scum!Titus isn't capable of thinking through those hoops when as scum the information is essentially all there. Don't think this anything but basically null.

[79 CE]

Imagine that you have a result, but you play coy with it. Then someone else independently comes forward with the exact same result for the exact same reason, a reason you never gave out publicly. What would your read be on that person?

I don't have to imagine; I have the scenario in front me. I'm telling you that I don't think it is at all unreasonable that Titus, with full knowledge of scum actions, could've guessed that Gin was a protective and claimed the only possible protective role that would not garner a direct cc due to being potentially a duplicate for how useless it is.

[79 CE]

Ever heard of moonlogic?

[79 CE]

Snarky is a lurksac who sometimes forgets to act. I figured since I had to do something that redirect was best. Since Snarky died I had no evidence of whether I was blocked. And since I get no feedback I don't know.

Redirect =/= compulsion.

[79 CE]

I'm saying you redirecting Snarky would have no effect if he took no action; it doesn't operate as a compulsive.

[79 CE]

Fairly sure that's not how it works on MS; you'd have to ask the moderator my girlfriend.