Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[Titus]

He.

Crumbed.

Went no where.


GO LOOK AT THE CRUMB.

and then said ALISAE TOLD HIM, that he misread his results

No he flat out didn't. Stop selling yourself garbage.

[Titus]

Math for fucks sake just answer Bulba, were you roleblocked?

<<< Fixing tag. >>>

[Titus]

Not interested in knowing whether Math has a role that allows them to know if they are roleblocked or not. Are you going to actually answer me or produce any substantive content at any point or are you just content with blatantly wolfing?

Normally, I'm not either but I'd like Bulba and Math to stop ripping each other and focus on scum.

[Titus]

Sometimes you just have to ignore the wagon and focus instead on the wagonee...

That's utter crap Creature.

*shrug*

79 CE your readslist is horrible.

[Titus]

Calls peoples lists horrible and utter crap and says nothing else.

Bitches at RC for somehow shouting people down

You haven't seen my analysis lately. This day has gone on long enough. I've discussed to the ends of the earth why the scum are who they are. If you aren't going to listen G, just repeat history.

[Titus]

I've explained why Math is town, why BTD6 is scum, why Nos is tow, we've discussed it. The game is getting stale. No one is listening anymore.

[Titus]

I've explained why Math is town, why BTD6 is scum, why Nos is tow, we've discussed it. The game is getting stale. No one is listening anymore.

Please, break down BTD's post and tell me how he faked a guilty on Math

BTD wagoned.
BTD says nothing about his result "no result".
BTD says no result on Math after getting wagoned. That deflects suspicion.
He lurks.

[Titus]

can we stay on Titus this time plz kthx
VOTE: titus

Sure, I'd like that. I'd be done with this nonsense.

[Titus]

I've explained why Math is town, why BTD6 is scum, why Nos is tow, we've discussed it. The game is getting stale. No one is listening anymore.

Please, break down BTD's post and tell me how he faked a guilty on Math

BTD wagoned.
BTD says nothing about his result "no result".
BTD says no result on Math after getting wagoned. That deflects suspicion.
He lurks.

He misread his result.

But it didn't condemn Math did it?

Also deflected what suspicions and what is AI here?

Also lurking isn't AI for BTD

It certainly created a Math wagon from nowhere with players suggesting Math was ascetic lying. It did condemn Math enough.
BTD was the largest wagon because he only comments on large wagons and vanishes. Any pressure on BTD gets dispelled by my scumreads.
He didn't misread his result. That's the out you are giving him for lying.

[Titus]

I'm playing another game of league. See ya.

[Titus]

I've explained why Math is town, why BTD6 is scum, why Nos is tow, we've discussed it. The game is getting stale. No one is listening anymore.

Please, break down BTD's post and tell me how he faked a guilty on Math

BTD wagoned.
BTD says nothing about his result "no result".
BTD says no result on Math after getting wagoned. That deflects suspicion.
He lurks.

He misread his result.

But it didn't condemn Math did it?

Also deflected what suspicions and what is AI here?

Also lurking isn't AI for BTD

It certainly created a Math wagon from nowhere with players suggesting Math was ascetic lying. It did condemn Math enough.
BTD was the largest wagon because he only comments on large wagons and vanishes. Any pressure on BTD gets dispelled by my scumreads.
He didn't misread his result. That's the out you are giving him for lying.

Unfortunately, I checked the PM again and I found that I got No Result.

The result I somehow thought I had got was "went nowhere".

Here is the crumb:

It looks as though a wagon has formed on me. This wagon is

going nowhere

because I am confirmable. However, I can analyse my wagon to see which votes are scum-motivated and which ones aren't.

It almost looks like he said he misread his results

That's what he said, and he was by far the consensus lynch until he claimed to "misread".

[Titus]

I'm gonna cheat for a votecount here.

Also,

<<< DrCirno has been prodded. He has until this time to post: (expired on 2017-07-18 18:53:47). >>>

Sixty-first Votecount

:

(Fifth Votecount D2)

BTD6_maker - 5 (Vedith, Mathblade, Ginngie, QuantumRadius, Creature)

Mathblade - 2 (DrCirno, Bulbazak)

dramonic - 1 (A2)
Aronis - 1 (texcat)
Frosted Kelvin Bran - 1 (Titus)
Creature - 1 (dramonic)

Not Voting - 5 (Aronis, 79 CE, Rautherdir, BTD6_maker, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

With

16

alive, it takes

9

to lynch.

At deadline,

BTD6_maker

would be lynched.

Day 2's deadline is Wednesday, August 2nd, @ 1:30 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-08-02 16:32:47).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• 79 CE is V/LA for an unspecified period of time.
  
• BTD6_maker is V/LA through Sunday, July 16th.
  
• Mathblade is V/LA through Monday, July 17th.
  
• DrCirno has been prodded.
  

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(-2)

dramonic - 1 (

Bulbazak

,

Creature

, A2)

(+2)

BTD6_maker - 5 (Vedith, Mathblade, Ginngie,

QuantumRadius, Creature

)

(=0)

Aronis - 1 (texcat)

(+1)

Mathblade - 2 (DrCirno,

Bulbazak

)

(=0)

Frosted Kelvin Bran - 1 (Titus)

(+1/-1)

Titus - 0 (

QuantumRadius

)

(+1)

Creature - 1 (dramonic)

(-2)

Not Voting - 5 (Aronis, 79 CE,

QuantumRadius

, Rautherdir, BTD6_maker, Frosted Kelvin Bran,

dramonic

)

Last votecount was post 3000, page 121.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day Two

• Mathblade(2):
  Creature==> BTD6_maker
  
• Aronis(0):
  
  
• 79 CE(0):
  
  
• Titus(2):
  QuantumRadius==> Frosted Kelvin Bran
  
• Vedith(2):
  Aronis==> BTD6_maker
  
• A2(2):
  BTD6_maker==> dramonic
  
• Ginngie(1):
  BTD6_maker
  
• Bulbazak(2):
  dramonic---> Mathblade
  
• Creature(2):
  dramonic==> BTD6_maker
  
• DrCirno(1):
  Mathblade
  
• QuantumRadius(2):
  Titus==> BTD6_maker
  
• Rautherdir(0):
  
  
• BTD6_maker(0):
  
  
• Frosted Kelvin Bran(0):
  
  
• texcat(1):
  Aronis
  
• dramonic(1):
  Creature

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted Day Two

1. BTD6_maker:
   6 - A2, Vedith, Mathblade, Ginngie, QuantumRadius, Creature
   
2. dramonic:
   3 - Bulbazak, Creature, A2
   
3. Aronis:
   2 - texcat, Vedith
   
4. Mathblade:
   2 - DrCirno, Bulbazak
   
5. Creature:
   1 - Mathblade
   
6. QuantumRadius:
   1 - Titus
   
7. Frosted Kelvin Bran:
   1 - Titus
   
8. Titus:
   1 - QuantumRadius

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 2

On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 02:06p,

Bulbazak

voted

dramonic

in post 2787.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 02:25p,

texcat

Voted

Aronis

in post 2791.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:10p,

Creature

Voted

dramonic

in post 2807.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:21p,

Vedith

Voted

Aronis

in post 2808.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:24p,

A2

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2812.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:25p,

Vedith

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2814.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 06:10p,

DrCirno

Voted

Mathblade

in post 2836.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 08:22p,

Mathblade

Voted

Creature

in post 2858.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 09:30p,

A2

Voted

dramonic

in post 2873.
On Thu, Jul 07/13/17 @ 11:22a,

Titus

Voted

QuantumRadius

in post 2924.
On Thu, Jul 07/13/17 @ 10:54p,

Mathblade

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2962.
On Fri, Jul 07/14/17 @ 02:55p,

Ginngie

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2983.
On Fri, Jul 07/14/17 @ 03:33p,

Titus

Voted

Frosted Kelvin Bran

in post 2985.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 05:23a,

QuantumRadius

Voted

Titus

in post 3014.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 08:16a,

QuantumRadius

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 3065.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 08:22a,

Creature

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 3067.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 08:35a,

dramonic

voted

Creature

in post 3070.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 10:55p,

Bulbazak

unvoted

(

dramonic

)

, and voted

Mathblade

in post 3086.

[Titus]

It looks as though a wagon has formed on me. This wagon is going nowhere because I am confirmable. However, I can analyse my wagon to see which votes are scum-motivated and which ones aren't.

Anyone who says this is a crumb is just dumb.

[Titus]

@Titus: Can you tell me how Creature approached the claim? You and Gin have been straightforward with the protection claims, but Creature has not. He just says that he has role related reasons for thinking there's a strongman, but he's not claiming protective. I'm double checking some things now, but something might be wrong there.

That's pretty accurate on how he approached it.

[Titus]

Can someone refresh me on why we don't mass claim

Can you refresh me why you ignored the context I provided you?

[Titus]

Can someone refresh me on why we don't mass claim

Can you refresh me why you ignored the context I provided you?

@work, don't read walls

Well, we'll talk when you are off work.

[Titus]

Yeah there's not a single scum vote on me Vedith. Calling the wagon shit does nothing. They'll only be appeased by being dumb.

[Titus]

Oh I missed Dram's vote. I'm dumb. There's only one scum.

[Titus]

Bodyguard, my job is to die to prevent obvtown from dying. Don't really care if it's by lynch or by nightkill.

[Titus]

Scum probably have fakes so?

Alisae, what are your reads?

[Titus]

Town: Rauth, nancy, Math, Quantum, Ginngie, Aronis, TWIE, Titus
I'll hammer any of these fuckers: Bulba, BTD, Nos, Vedith, Dramonic, Creature, Texcat, Titus

This entire post gives me the sads.

[Titus]

I agree with the townreads there though.

There's two scum in there.

[Titus]

Hell tbh I sort think both wagons are town now that I think about it but like
I just
do not
care
right now

and then deadline will come
and we'll be like
shit
lets wagon something
and guess what
it'll be on fucking town again.

Then say who the hell we should be lynching and why. I'm kinda sick of the side seat driving when no one steps up with analysis but calls mine wrong based on "meta".

[Titus]

Creature Ginngie and Bulba are pretty obvscum and I'm really not sure how you're managing to have townreads there.

None of these are and you are making me cry. They are too but still.

[Titus]

Just be fucking me

When Mafia tells you to catch up on what you missed
tell it to go fuck itself
GET MAD
I don't want to read your god dam mafia game
Thats like the same thing as toture.
Demand to see the moderator modding your mafia game
make mafia rue the day it ever became a game
you know who the fuck I am?
I am the guy that's going to mod a game
to remind everyone
that mafia
is a terrible game
that should never
ever
ever
be played/

Alisae, I am sorry. Help me burn the scums that make you feel this way please.

[Titus]

dramonic, btd6, aronis, rauthdir and if I am wrong on one, texcat.

[Titus]

mkay
I'll get the matches
you get the gasoline.



We don't need no wata let the motherfucka burn.

Seriously, you'd fit in for our group. We play betrayal and we wind up saying that like once a week.

The roof, the roof is on fire. We don't need no water let the mother fucker burn.

[Titus]

dramonic, btd6, aronis, rauthdir and if I am wrong on one, texcat.

What if you're wrong on four?

I'll be vigged or self vote if I'm wrong on all four. If my reads are that bad, I don't deserve to live here.

Now, you're attacking my townblock so what happens if you are wrong.

[Titus]

I don't understand how I'm scumread :/

You have no genuine reads and 90% of your thread activity is manipulation.

This is just point blank air.

A gambit is manipulation. Everyone here has been manipulating everyone else. IS what he's doing underhanded? scummy? Why are his reads not genuine? It reads to me that you've convinced yourself that the organic town block is scummy because it mostly townreads each other and are not getting lynched (well Ginngie and Creature may be annoyed and pissed at me but *shrug*).

Now, if you want to talk about why my reads on Math are factually incorrect, you're welcome to. WE can have that fight, but Math probably isn't scum here.

[Titus]

The progression here happens with no input from BTD and is essentially wholly in response to my reads. You're manipulating your read of the game to fit your agenda. Tell me how that isn't true.

Those posts are over 1200 posts apart where people literally answered my questions about scum!tracker and then some, you can do better than that.

You can do better than that.

The quality of the take is a legality; my point is you're adapting your reads to what serves you and what other people want.

Everyone does this. It's a good mark of townplay to work with your townreads.

[Titus]

Hey Math, skip the reading.

Were you roleblocked, yes or no. Town needs to know.

[Titus]

Titus help me. I am drowning in pages here. Why did a wagon start on you when you are obvToen?

I refused to vote you or Nos. Dram and Rauthdir just sat back and waited until people got pissed.

[Titus]

Everyone does this. It's a good mark of townplay to work with your townreads.

Ginngie hasn't been working with townreads she's been playing the board. She buddies me hard when I stop townreading her and despite me being conf!town to her doesn't talk with me about reads. Where is the working with townreads?

79CE, you scumread the obvtown block and still haven't discussed where and why my Math read is wrong. I also frankly, don't see the buddying.

Like Ginggie isn't 100% lock clear but when you're suggesting Creature's scum too, I'm all side eye.

[Titus]

You were discrediting RC's read; now you push it without issue. Both were scum!Titus. 1500 posts is irrelevant.

Oh god, I know you don't read this game now.

That post, was me telling RC she will not be able to do anything without giving reasons.

Also important to note, if you can't tell, RC and I don't exactly get along so I don't know if you'd be factoring that in but I hate everything that RC does when playing maf so

Also, with RC, it's important to note that under every read RC had, the only thing I ever wanted was one thing, for RC to give reasoning.

I made RC leave the game because he wouldn't give reasoning at all and I kept asking for reasons.

RC leaves when asked for reasons as town and stays as scum generally speaking. RC left the game probably because I had no clue he was the author of the message (or he's scum with someone who sent the message I got).

[Titus]

Almost every single one of the reasons you gave me for townreading Math here were wrong and not representative of their play in this game; you did cause me to go back and review their scumgame though and when I did I remembered the tonal difference in their scumgame that's lacking here. Your reads over the last several pages are equally fabricated; whether that makes you scum I'm not able to parse right now because town Titus can do the same thing.

Umm you're not scumreading Math but my reasons for TRing them are wrong? Or did we switch heads here?

[Titus]

You were discrediting RC's read; now you push it without issue. Both were scum!Titus. 1500 posts is irrelevant.

Oh god, I know you don't read this game now.

That post, was me telling RC she will not be able to do anything without giving reasons.

Also important to note, if you can't tell, RC and I don't exactly get along so I don't know if you'd be factoring that in but I hate everything that RC does when playing maf so

Also, with RC, it's important to note that under every read RC had, the only thing I ever wanted was one thing, for RC to give reasoning.

I made RC leave the game because he wouldn't give reasoning at all and I kept asking for reasons.

RC leaves when asked for reasons as town and stays as scum generally speaking. RC left the game probably because I had no clue he was the author of the message (or he's scum with someone who sent the message I got).

?? Message ?? *confused* Is this why the wagon started?

Odd no one will tell me or recap. Generally means scum are equally dispersed throughout the wagon (assuming Titus town which is like duh)

Nope. I got a troll message from RC slot earlier in the game. I had no idea who sent it and basically me not being aware of it drove him bonkers.

It has zero to do with my wagon currently.

[Titus]

So not going to lie, upon reflection while I was strip mining in minecraft, I realized, mastina can soul read me whenever I roll scum and she's a queen (<3) , so like, RC thinking your scum actually holds a lot of weight because that reading relationship is something I can understand

Noted.

Umm you're not scumreading Math but my reasons for TRing them are wrong? Or did we switch heads here?

Most of them are pretty inaccurate, yes.

You yourself have been consistent in head turning reads that don't make sense.

So you're fine to discredit my reads generally as not making sense but won't actually engage on any of them substantively?

Ok, so we both TR Math but you hate my reasons. At least that's something we agree on.

Let's back up here. What makes a read "genuine"?

If Ginngie and Creature off the table today, who would you vote for?

[Titus]

Ok, so we both TR Math but you hate my reasons. At least that's something we agree on.

Let's back up here. What makes a read "genuine"?

If Ginngie and Creature off the table today, who would you vote for?

I don't hate your reasons, Titus, I just don't find them particularly relevant. What makes a read genuine is intangible; there is a level of thought that town have to go through in order to sort alignment that is absent from scum and that scum have to fake; there is a level of investment that town have in their reads and a level of critical engagement in their reads that scum have to fake - reading for whether those elements are present and have that depth is how you determine whether a read is genuine.

Creature is not off the table table; Creature is off the table forever.

Good so we have Math and Creature as town.

Some players don't play at all with critical thought. Good logical thinkers think about their own inherent biases and what flaws they can have. Town can just not critically think and troll. I've done some "because I felt like it" moments. This sounds more like how you are projecting town should play versus how we actually do.

Now, Bulbazak, he's town too right?

[Titus]

If you ignore one more fucking time that I was sorting Titus to begin the game

and started the BTD wagon with my own thoughts then you can just be ignored for the rest of the game okay?

I'm done with your shit.

Don't believe you couldn't have faked that as scum; I'm not ignoring it. Nor am I ignoring your involvement in the BTD wagon. You are more than capable of pushing wagons as scum. There are nearly 200 pages and that isn't enough. Don't know why you expect that it should be.

Ginggie has major tonal shift as scum. I've never seen him get passionately angry as scum, and here he has.

[Titus]

Some players don't play at all with critical thought. Good logical thinkers think about their own inherent biases and what flaws they can have. Town can just not critically think and troll. I've done some "because I felt like it" moments. This sounds more like how you are projecting town should play versus how we actually do.

Now, Bulbazak, he's town too right?

Titus, you already have my reads. Please update yourself on my ISO so that you don't have to ask these pointless questions. I do not townread Bulba. I'm not projecting how town should play; that would be a selective interpretation of my post.

I'm asking for clarification because your responses have been clear as mud to me. I thought your hydra was scumreading Math, but I find it's just a nitpick because I'm agreeing for the wrong reasons. I'm trying to figure out why you're attacking obvious town and unable to have anyone reach you at all so we can end this day with a BTD scumflip.

[Titus]

Bodyguard, my job is to die to prevent obvtown from dying. Don't really care if it's by lynch or by nightkill.

Why did you claim Titus?

Because I'm bored. The game is solved and I'm just waiting for players to catch up.

[Titus]

I'm asking for clarification because your responses have been clear as mud to me. I thought your hydra was scumreading Math, but I find it's just a nitpick because I'm agreeing for the wrong reasons. I'm trying to figure out why you're attacking obvious town and unable to have anyone reach you at all so we can end this day with a BTD scumflip.

No one is talking to me except you; not sure how anyone can reach me if they don't talk. I was scumreading Math; I'm not anymore. You seem not to have read the part of the thread where that happened?

I didn't see that no. There's a few days where I was basically prod dodging though. So it would help to see where we agree and disagree...

[Titus]

town: bulb, kelv, ging, rauth, QR, math
mehtown: btd, cirno, vedith,
mehscum: CE, texcat, a2
scum: titus, aronis, creature

yay for wasting time

my primary scumread is voting btd.
mehtown is not "townread". It's "well, there has to be more town so these are likelier town than the other meh"

I think I may still be tipsy slightly but scum could have factional abilities so there is no confirmed scum in light.

The odds of all scum being in one color at the start of the game are 4%. Based on this math there is almost a certainty there is a scum in light and a scum in dark. This is much more reliable to me than anyone who claims to have not protected their target someone who also says they did something to save Snarky's life and Creature's wtf.

As far as I am concerned there is a scum in light and a scum in dark and I am voting BTD6 because BTD6 is my scumread. It isn't antitown to insist we consider everything.

That is a lot of words to say nothing even remotely useful.
Please go sober up.

Well let me start this off:

Mathblade: Not sure scum would have been that opposed to Titus's plan. Do not plan on lynching today.
Titus: I don't trust you. But I also don't know you well enough to say whether you would pull this move as scum or as town.
Ginngie: I don't plan on lynching you.
Creature: Not sure why you felt you needed to say you targeted Snarky.
QuantumRadius: I don't really understand other players scumreads on you. I do wish you participated more now that the whole fake rolecop guilty thing is over though.
BTD6_maker: I looked, and I can tell you don't post often in very many of your games. I'm not entirely sure what your posting record in this game is indicative of.
Frosted Kelvin Bran: The switch over here was WIFOM. I would rather not lynch you today.

So the conclusion is...
nothing at all?

Titus, mathblade, aronis, vedith.

Seriously how is btd not conftown by now? We're just missing bulba

Titus, mathblade, aronis, vedith.

Seriously how is btd not conftown by now? We're just missing bulba

Because BTD has you hard defending him and doing nothing. If we weren't lynching in light today, I'd be voting you.

If you were town you wouldn't care.
It's amazing how you have no awareness of your own play.

In addition to possessing a personal power, each mafia player possesses a personal factional boon, an additional scum power they hold access to while in the Light.

Its in the mechanics.

Selected posts by Dram where he insults your capabilities as a player to defend BTD, his defense of BTD whenever anyone tries to put pressure on him.

His entire ISO is nothing more than distancing from my scumpool, protecting BTD and insulting town.

[Titus]

I didn't see that no. There's a few days where I was basically prod dodging though. So it would help to see where we agree and disagree...

Mathblade
Creature
QuantumRadius
texcat
Aronis

A2
Ginngie
Titus
Nosferatu
Rautherdir
Vedith

dramonic
BTD6_maker

TheWayItEnds
Bulbazak

Ok why are TWIE and Bulba scumread? Why is Aronis so high? Why are you spending so much time fighting with Ginngie and calling him scum when he's higher than your others? Like I cannot follow you at all.

[Titus]

@Titus So? I am a shitty forum Town player. I am better face to face just let me play f2f and everyone else play forum right? (This question is obviously a joke and a reference to Cali Meet)

I think this joke went over my head.

My issue is Dram's discredit of you. He's all for you when you're spouting insane theories like bus driver that keep the town talking about mechanics but when you talk reads, he talks about only your failings as a player, which you have them but he's picking and choosing.

[Titus]

@Titus So? I am a shitty forum Town player. I am better face to face just let me play f2f and everyone else play forum right? (This question is obviously a joke and a reference to Cali Meet)

I think this joke went over my head.

My issue is Dram's discredit of you. He's all for you when you're spouting insane theories like bus driver that keep the town talking about mechanics but when you talk reads, he talks about only your failings as a player, which you have them but he's picking and choosing.

Yeah it was a reference to when I vigged two of the scum so hard mod errors made it happen

(This is not a crumb for vig more just trying to have fun)

oh that. That was fun. Didn't it feel good to be the obvious town wrecking scum and they could do nothing?

[Titus]

Scum bodyguards are possible. Even I admit that.

QR what are your reads? Reads as if I am town?

[Titus]

Why is BTD6_maker scummier than Nosferatu? Is it because he's doing absolutely nothing? We could votekick him if he keeps like that.

And people wonder why you're scum

Yes, and people know you are not town with comments like this.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Like I said, long road ahead of us to the win Creature.

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Titus

This chain of votes is sketchy as fuck.

can we stay on Titus this time plz kthx
VOTE: titus

This one too.

No. They aren't. They're dumb but they were cast because I refuse to vote town. I know why they were cast.

[Titus]

It's possibly true, no need to cite. I've probably faked everything but IC since I've played so much.

[Titus]

I mostly cast because of 79 CE.

The guy who has been incoherently yelling you're scum along with everyone else who sheeped him?

[Titus]

Amnesiac Mafia. Too lazy to get a link.

Everyone had rotating roles and scum fakeclaimed bg on day 2. Granted the context is different cuz scum had the bg fakeclaim provided, but the point remains.

I also won that game and Titus drowned the game into a fight which ended in two mislynches back to back.
But hey, she was town that game.

EDIT: I didn't mean YOU fakeclaimed. UT did.

That's a terrible misrep of what happened. Drealmerz turned the game into a shitstorm of personal insults, like you're trying to do here. Drealmerz was 100% responsible for that shit.

[Titus]

dram is probs town

Then fucking lynch me. He is not town and I don't want to see him insult town to victory again.

[Titus]

Amnesiac Mafia. Too lazy to get a link.

Everyone had rotating roles and scum fakeclaimed bg on day 2. Granted the context is different cuz scum had the bg fakeclaim provided, but the point remains.

I also won that game and Titus drowned the game into a fight which ended in two mislynches back to back.
But hey, she was town that game.

EDIT: I didn't mean YOU fakeclaimed. UT did.

That's a terrible misrep of what happened. Drealmerz turned the game into a shitstorm of personal insults, like you're trying to do here. Drealmerz was 100% responsible for that shit.

...This hasn't been a game of insults Titus.

That's nearly all of Dram's ISO towards you and I. We're useless. We're wrong. We suck.

Drealmerz was worse in the game we were actually talking about to the point where it imbalanced the game.

[Titus]

Yeah well that's because mhsmith0 never listened to me saying if I die lynch Spiffeh. I died. He never listened. At this point, I just want to lynch obvious scum or die.

[Titus]

I mostly cast because of 79 CE.

The guy who has been incoherently yelling you're scum along with everyone else who sheeped him?

Pretty sure 79 CE mean't in that post "Hey Creature. Ginn and Bulba are obvscum"

Yeah well it's long since devolved past anything coherent to me and I've been trying. They complain about having no one to talk to and vote the only person they feel is trying.

I am just checked out.

[Titus]

Town: Math, 79 CE, Titus, Ginngie, Bulba, Creature, QR, dram
Null: Vedith, A2, Rauth, BTD
Scum: Aronis, TWIE, Nos, texcat

basically where I'm at, lol bai

Join me on BTD6 or vote Nos then.

I think you're still voting Titus if you aren't apologies no time to check.

He unvoted.

[Titus]

Town: Math, 79 CE, Titus, Ginngie, Bulba, Creature, QR, dram
Null: Vedith, A2, Rauth, BTD
Scum: Aronis, TWIE, Nos, texcat

basically where I'm at, lol bai

That is the weirdest readlist but you're town so okay.

Yes Dram go on and tell us only about Ginnie's failures to protect your partners from this "wierd" list.

[Titus]

Town: Math, 79 CE, Titus, Ginngie, Bulba, Creature, QR, dram
Null: Vedith, A2, Rauth, BTD
Scum: Aronis, TWIE, Nos, texcat

basically where I'm at, lol bai

That is the weirdest readlist but you're town so okay.

Yes Dram go on and tell us only about Ginnie's failures to protect your partners from this "wierd" list.

Who are my partners again?

And you can argue but you and I are both in Ginnie's townpile.

Aronis BTD Rauth

[Titus]

I mostly cast because of 79 CE.

The guy who has been incoherently yelling you're scum along with everyone else who sheeped him?

Pretty sure 79 CE mean't in that post "Hey Creature. Ginn and Bulba are obvscum"

Already clarified this with her she's just pushing what she wants to believe. And I made that post when I was an emotionally unstable mess so you can pretty much ignore it.

I don't want to have a townread with reads I cannot understand. What the fuck?

[Titus]

Towntitus doesn't say that ^

Yes she does. Town Dram doesn't have an ISO that's only minimalizing contributions of town and defending scum. You pretty much scumclaimed EoD1 and when you tried to diffuse my pressure on BTD but not the rolecop gambit.

But hey, if this day goes on long enough you can insult enough players to save BTD and annoy Ginngie enough to vote me rather than end the day on BTD.

[Titus]

UGH. I'm back.
Somehow Titus got pushed up to L-2 while I was gone.

Also:

Oh I missed Dram's vote. I'm dumb. There's only one scum.

And yet I'm voting you as well...

Hey, listen to the tone here. This is screaming Rauth knows I am town here. He doesn't seem happy I am at L minus 2.

[Titus]

I'm sorry I stopped your choice mislynch

EDIT: Way to dodge the point.

Nah, see there you go trying to reframe the issue. There was zero point in disrupting me sorting BTD and giving him an out. He left immediately after that, never to be seen again. You've been doing that all game.

[Titus]

Town: Math, 79 CE, Titus, Ginngie, Bulba, Creature, QR, dram
Null: Vedith, A2, Rauth, BTD
Scum: Aronis, TWIE, Nos, texcat

basically where I'm at, lol bai

Join me on BTD6 or vote Nos then.

I think you're still voting Titus if you aren't apologies no time to check.

He unvoted.

Titus is terrible.

[Titus]

We've enforced an arbitrary rule to not lynch in the dark today and that rule has led to this game growing increasingly toxic. So before it gets to a point where the mod has to intervene, I'm going to just say no to this arbitrary rule. Besides, Ginngie can probably switch to the roleblocking style of playing jailkeeper and hit what she thinks is scum and move from there.

Lynching in Light is optimal unless you want to guarantee that our protectives are sitting ducks night 2.

It can be our job to protect each other. The reason we want a light lynch is because light has guaranteed scum.

[Titus]

Creature I'm not really concerned about quality of scumhunting from Rauther; I'm interested in seeing that he has done the work to get the kind of reads I know he's capable of getting as town.

He's trying to help you. Like I don't even...

[Titus]

@Bulba, Cognitive dissonance.

Of course scum!Rauth wants me to be lynched, that's why he's voting me, but the words of the posts basically scream he knows I am town. He wanted a safe, discrediting push and it blew up on him.

[Titus]

Titus, did anyone actually ask Rauth about his role when you shipped him over?

Yes. Let me find what he said.

[Titus]

He said no link to Aronis, not mason.

[Titus]

I've just found it odd that he was voted in for that reason, but no one's said anything about it since.

Yeah we got what we wanted from that. Basically, that Aronis was lying and Rautherdir has some other link.

[Titus]

Titus, I'm losing the amount of craps I give about this day phase. Like, I really wouldn't mind lynching Math still, but I feel that's out, and I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm drained.

I'll do Math with you tomorrow if I'm wrong here.

[Titus]

I've just found it odd that he was voted in for that reason, but no one's said anything about it since.

Yeah we got what we wanted from that. Basically, that Aronis was lying and Rautherdir has some other link.

Ya think? Aronis's sarcasm was a mile thick.

I'll take you on that Math action, though. I'm too tired to put up much more of a fight today. I'll try to get to some of that stuff that I promised you earlier.

I understand. I am offering because I have been wrong on Math before and some of my townreads agree with you. It's a bit of a peace offering to keep town together.

@Math, If BTD and you are both town, sorry in advance.

[Titus]

Also, if there's a vote tomorrow to bring someone else to light, don't choose Vedith. I'm really not sure he's town.

I'd be bringing you to hope you and Math could work together anyway as you are my rock this game.

@CE, Really man?

[Titus]

Yo Titus
I thought we were about to go burn some scums what happened

I need more votes on BTD. I'm not a magician.

[Titus]

@Titus uhm wtf? You have scumreads. Yet you're saying you'll work with Bulba to lynch me a townread. Explain thyself.

On my way home in 20 minutes if I am not drop dead tired I will try to read some more.

I'm supposing BTD is town in that scenario, if BTD flips scum, you're off the table. Period.

[Titus]

@Titus uhm wtf? You have scumreads. Yet you're saying you'll work with Bulba to lynch me a townread. Explain thyself.

On my way home in 20 minutes if I am not drop dead tired I will try to read some more.

I'm supposing BTD is town in that scenario, if BTD flips scum, you're off the table. Period.

That doesn't answer the question.

I am a townread of yours (regardless of BTD6's alignment to my understanding).

So why would you work with Bulba to lynch a townread?

In the BTD town scenario, I had to be wrong somewhere. It helps with a reset. It's nothing you've done wrong exactly.

[Titus]

Will wagon Math to get them to claim since they're beating around the bush if BTD blocked them or not.

THey aren't. They claimed they don't know. Which is true of most roles.

[Titus]

@79CE, I'm not voting Nos. Sorry.

Lynch me before them if that confident. If Math hadn't unvoted, this day would be near over.

Why are you so adverse to voting BTD when his claim has 90+ percent odds of being fake?

[Titus]

really don't like how fast that went up

Okay, who's scum who hopped in that flashwagon?

No one, not even Nos. It's just a dumb flashwagon that town will rip apart tomorrow.

[Titus]

Titus, there is no reason to town read any of the 3 players.

Summary:
FKB, mafia theory, not actual reads.
Narna, came in, bounced.
Nos, random reads lists and frivolous comments, no explanations.

Also think about it, "Nos is probs scum but there are bigger scum to worry about," is exactly how scum get away with shit. People tunnel a read the entire day and then they don't care about anything else.

Nah, Nos isn't scum because I was told off the times I tried to wagon Frosted by the same players pushing him now.

Narna subbed in during Cali meet and bounced.

Nos has been pretty town with his reads and explanations, they just aren't what 79CE wants.

[Titus]

Nos has been pretty town with his reads and explanations, they just aren't what 79CE wants.

There are no explanations, I asked.

Read his ISO again. *shrug*

[Titus]

The Nos wagon has literally nothing to do with with Bulba and I?


Also, why do you town read Nos?

Literally answered post above you.

[Titus]

I already have.

If you're gonna make a claim, back it up

I already have.

You're the one who needs evidence. Like why is 79CE so adverse to a BTD6 wagon without townreading him? Why did the Frosted wagon fail when I tried it? Why is dramonic whiteknighting the fuck out of the slot? Why is Nos getting wagoned again when he has good reads?

[Titus]

The Nos wagon has literally nothing to do with with Bulba and I?


Also, why do you town read Nos?

@Math

I don't townread Nos. I don't scumread Nos either. Nos is just inactive.

Yes it does. You've threatened a wagon on a ton of other people yet are not willing to vote someone who hasn't posted in a long ass time. Threaten wagons on me and now Nos.

Don't tell me this has nothing to do with Bulba when you and Bulba push me then hop on a Nos wagon.

Really gotta go.

Bulba is on BTD...:/

[Titus]

Titus, I didn't ask for your vote nor do I need it. You can cry all you want about a result you don't understand but the content of both slots speaks for themselves. I've been waiting and waiting for Nos to give me anything to question my read on his slot and he's given me nothing; he literally self-voted. He is quite simply scum. Spam the thread all you want in protest, Nos is getting lynched.

Narna was at Cali meet and the thread exploded.

You've been spouting nonsense about how Ginngie and Nos are scum while not townreading BTD and delaying the game while going wagon shopping.

The lack of content from BTD6 and your avoidance speaks for your own pride.

[Titus]

really don't like how fast that went up

Okay, who's scum who hopped in that flashwagon?

oh god that's a weird wagon composition
ironically nos is on the wagon
I'm beginning to think my reads might be shit

Well we can talk whenever you want still.

[Titus]

The lack of conent from BTD6 speaks of V/LA.

He had a lack of content and scum defending him before.

[Titus]

Also no matter what. You are using two other players as an excuse to not actually comment on Nos.

You're not saying why YOU want Nos alive, nor why you want Nos dead.

This is exactly what 79CE is doing for BTD.

[Titus]

Titus, there is no reason to town read any of the 3 players.

Summary:
FKB, mafia theory, not actual reads.
Narna, came in, bounced.
Nos, random reads lists and frivolous comments, no explanations.

Also think about it, "Nos is probs scum but there are bigger scum to worry about," is exactly how scum get away with shit. People tunnel a read the entire day and then they don't care about anything else.

Nah, Nos isn't scum because I was told off the times I tried to wagon Frosted by the same players pushing him now.

Narna subbed in during Cali meet and bounced.

Nos has been pretty town with his reads and explanations, they just aren't what 79CE wants.

By that logic, Leonshade in nancys game isn't scum because I kept trying to wagon that and to no avail.

This is your Leonshade, Titus

Nah, it isn't. I like the effort though. Nos is just a last second compromise push by 79 because they don't want a BTD lynch.

[Titus]

Can we talk about BTD's claim being fake now Ginngie and how that's been glossed over?

[Titus]

BTD can be sorted tomorrow and through night actions. He's V/LA and a chronic lurker as either alignment; lynching him today has always been fine for me if there were no better options, but Nos replaced in and didn't change his slot, RC replaced in and was scum, Rauth wasn't able to provide any reads at all and threw a panic vote on dramonic; there are better options than BTD on the table right now and Nos is the one that we are able to make happen. You're stuck in a narrative and it's not helpful.

Nos can be sorted tomorrow and through night actions. He's been here and good posting rather than lurking. Lynching Nos who is providing content isn't fine with me. There are better options, like Rauth if you refuse to lynch BTD. RC isn't scum, nor is TWIE. Nor is Ginngie.

If you want Rauth on the table, vote him.

You're stuck in a lurkers get a pass narrative. It's not helpful.

[Titus]

I'm gonna cheat for a votecount here.

Also,

<<< DrCirno has been prodded. He has until this time to post: (expired on 2017-07-18 18:53:47). >>>

Sixty-first Votecount

:

(Fifth Votecount D2)

BTD6_maker - 5 (Vedith, Mathblade, Ginngie, QuantumRadius, Creature)

Mathblade - 2 (DrCirno, Bulbazak)

dramonic - 1 (A2)
Aronis - 1 (texcat)
Frosted Kelvin Bran - 1 (Titus)
Creature - 1 (dramonic)

Not Voting - 5 (Aronis, 79 CE, Rautherdir, BTD6_maker, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

With

16

alive, it takes

9

to lynch.

At deadline,

BTD6_maker

would be lynched.

Day 2's deadline is Wednesday, August 2nd, @ 1:30 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-08-02 16:32:47).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• 79 CE is V/LA for an unspecified period of time.
  
• BTD6_maker is V/LA through Sunday, July 16th.
  
• Mathblade is V/LA through Monday, July 17th.
  
• DrCirno has been prodded.
  

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(-2)

dramonic - 1 (

Bulbazak

,

Creature

, A2)

(+2)

BTD6_maker - 5 (Vedith, Mathblade, Ginngie,

QuantumRadius, Creature

)

(=0)

Aronis - 1 (texcat)

(+1)

Mathblade - 2 (DrCirno,

Bulbazak

)

(=0)

Frosted Kelvin Bran - 1 (Titus)

(+1/-1)

Titus - 0 (

QuantumRadius

)

(+1)

Creature - 1 (dramonic)

(-2)

Not Voting - 5 (Aronis, 79 CE,

QuantumRadius

, Rautherdir, BTD6_maker, Frosted Kelvin Bran,

dramonic

)

Last votecount was post 3000, page 121.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day Two

• Mathblade(2):
  Creature==> BTD6_maker
  
• Aronis(0):
  
  
• 79 CE(0):
  
  
• Titus(2):
  QuantumRadius==> Frosted Kelvin Bran
  
• Vedith(2):
  Aronis==> BTD6_maker
  
• A2(2):
  BTD6_maker==> dramonic
  
• Ginngie(1):
  BTD6_maker
  
• Bulbazak(2):
  dramonic---> Mathblade
  
• Creature(2):
  dramonic==> BTD6_maker
  
• DrCirno(1):
  Mathblade
  
• QuantumRadius(2):
  Titus==> BTD6_maker
  
• Rautherdir(0):
  
  
• BTD6_maker(0):
  
  
• Frosted Kelvin Bran(0):
  
  
• texcat(1):
  Aronis
  
• dramonic(1):
  Creature

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted Day Two

1. BTD6_maker:
   6 - A2, Vedith, Mathblade, Ginngie, QuantumRadius, Creature
   
2. dramonic:
   3 - Bulbazak, Creature, A2
   
3. Aronis:
   2 - texcat, Vedith
   
4. Mathblade:
   2 - DrCirno, Bulbazak
   
5. Creature:
   1 - Mathblade
   
6. QuantumRadius:
   1 - Titus
   
7. Frosted Kelvin Bran:
   1 - Titus
   
8. Titus:
   1 - QuantumRadius

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 2

On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 02:06p,

Bulbazak

voted

dramonic

in post 2787.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 02:25p,

texcat

Voted

Aronis

in post 2791.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:10p,

Creature

Voted

dramonic

in post 2807.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:21p,

Vedith

Voted

Aronis

in post 2808.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:24p,

A2

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2812.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:25p,

Vedith

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2814.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 06:10p,

DrCirno

Voted

Mathblade

in post 2836.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 08:22p,

Mathblade

Voted

Creature

in post 2858.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 09:30p,

A2

Voted

dramonic

in post 2873.
On Thu, Jul 07/13/17 @ 11:22a,

Titus

Voted

QuantumRadius

in post 2924.
On Thu, Jul 07/13/17 @ 10:54p,

Mathblade

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2962.
On Fri, Jul 07/14/17 @ 02:55p,

Ginngie

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2983.
On Fri, Jul 07/14/17 @ 03:33p,

Titus

Voted

Frosted Kelvin Bran

in post 2985.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 05:23a,

QuantumRadius

Voted

Titus

in post 3014.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 08:16a,

QuantumRadius

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 3065.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 08:22a,

Creature

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 3067.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 08:35a,

dramonic

voted

Creature

in post 3070.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 10:55p,

Bulbazak

unvoted

(

dramonic

)

, and voted

Mathblade

in post 3086.

So, let's break down the BTD post he just made.

It was a purely defensive post talking really only about him.

The purpose of the post as it was first stated was to see which votes on him were scum driven. He chose one out of all of them to analyze and the easiest to argue against.

So, if he was analyzing for scum-driven votes, you would at least think if he thought Alisae's post/vote was hot garbage, that he would push that.

YET, there is still no vote by BTD. He still isn't pushing anything or really anyone. He is playing defensive and just waiting for someone else to fuck up.

This is also actually not ego related but another reason I find BTD scummy, he willfully ignores interactions in the PT, so you would assume he just isn't reading it; however, he was reading closely enough that he knew that Titus was faking a guilty and went along with it, confirming that he was actively lurking and avoiding interactions.

With that piece of information, I add on to the fact that he has been paying close enough attention that he would be able to see, and afford the time to address my scum read/reasoning on him at any given time but he ignores it. I personally think he's ignoring it because he knows it's a losing battle and if you ignore something, sometimes a player will forget about you for a shiny new bone.

I am a Tracker, and on Night 1 I tracked MathBlade.

I have crumbed my result, but it would be good if MathBlade claimed their target so I could judge whether they are honest or not. Should I claim my result immediately? (Knowing whether MathBlade is lying may be good, but I also want to confirm my role without seeming to merely copy MathBlade's result, hence the crumb.)

Claiming is probably mostly safe for me, given that there are probably more powerful roles scum would want to kill first instead of me.

So have a vote
VOTE: BTD

Unfortunately, I checked the PM again and I found that I got No Result.

The result I somehow thought I had got was "went nowhere".

Here is the crumb:

It looks as though a wagon has formed on me. This wagon is

going nowhere

because I am confirmable. However, I can analyse my wagon to see which votes are scum-motivated and which ones aren't.

Full context for you.

[Titus]

Nos is not providing content, nor did he claim Tracker.

Nos is providing content and didn't obviously fakeclaim.

[Titus]

Quote me this good content that Nos is providing.

His entire ISO is good content, especially his self vote.

[Titus]

Heey titus, how many times are you gonna call me scum before you vote me?
Trust me, you'll get traction on that wagon real quick, plenty of people scumreading me.

Oh wait, you don't want me to flip town.
You don't have to worry though, this town is dumb enough to follow you to a scumwin.

This is Dramonic trying to distract from BTD's fake claim. He comes on whenever I try to get discussion on BTD and deflects.

[Titus]

Really, being sick of you wagonning town is a fucking siren call Nos is town here.

Now look at BTD's claim and try to tell me that shit is legit. Try. It is fake as crap.

BTD tried to argue that his wagon was going nowhere was a tracker crumb. Absurd.

[Titus]

Titus, you should read this post a few times. Just for funsies.

I've just found it odd that he was voted in for that reason, but no one's said anything about it since.

Yeah we got what we wanted from that. Basically, that Aronis was lying and Rautherdir has some other link.

Ya think? Aronis's sarcasm was a mile thick.

I'll take you on that Math action, though. I'm too tired to put up much more of a fight today. I'll try to get to some of that stuff that I promised you earlier.

I understand. I am offering because I have been wrong on Math before and some of my townreads agree with you. It's a bit of a peace offering to keep town together.

@Math, If BTD and you are both town, sorry in advance.

GIANT RED FLAG

Essentially, Bulba is whining and wants steaming piles of shit to push so that it looks like he's doing something. Can we all just ignore the slot now?

pedit ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you got me

It took you 5000 posts to find out?

I really wish I had a bunch a vig shots right now.

We'd have lost the game already.

Spoiler: clear water reads

Town:
Mathblade
Creature
QuantumRadius
Ginngie
A2
Bulbazak (obvscum regardless of alignment )
Titus (yuckytown)

To sort:
texcat
Vedith
BTD6_maker
Aronis
dramonic

Scum:
Rautherdir
TheWayItEnds
Nosferatu

Could've narrowed the PoE further by waiting for BTD to come off V/LA but when it's time to lynch it's time to lynch.

Most of the scumteam is in your town reads. Go you.


Do we really want another deadline quickwagon on town?
Of course we do.

You fucking people.

I read it. It's why I said Dram is whiteknighting Nos and preparing to turn the game against you.

[Titus]

Quote me this good content that Nos is providing.

His entire ISO is good content, especially his self vote.

VOTE: Aronis
Hey, I'm basically confirmed town now

See, another scum trying to strawman my argument for Nos town to save BTD. Aronis isn't wagoned and his post gives him an excuse to stop bussing.

[Titus]

We're not lynching scum today because of prima donna shit are we? Fuck that.

Someone explain how BTD faking crumbs is town or vote him so we can end this day.

[Titus]

Really, being sick of you wagonning town is a fucking siren call Nos is town here.

Now look at BTD's claim and try to tell me that shit is legit. Try. It is fake as crap.

BTD tried to argue that his wagon was going nowhere was a tracker crumb. Absurd.

Only person I've been wagoning lately is you because you push things like Math is scum if BTD flips town. BTD's claim is crap and absurd, yes, which is exactly his play as either alignment. He's not making it to LyLo regardless of alignment and if he's scum then by keeping him alive we get information from him through night actions. If he's town we get to sort him tomorrow when there is actually time and he's not on V/LA.

Do I need to remind you that you were in fact scumreading Nos' slot until you decided that you wanted to oppose me on everything and his content must be really good and town?

Nah, it's a lie. Someone said BTD wouldn't crumb as scum. Guess what? He didn't. He was coached to claim that nonsense was a crumb.

You've just been ardently opposing me with no principles. Remember the Ginngie scum push?

I am fully aware that I scumread Nos's slot earlier. I even quoted the VC. But guess what, Nos can only be scum if BTD is. BTD has an all town wagon now

[Titus]

The answer is Dramonic Aronis, Rauth, BTD6 and if I am wrong, texcat.

I'd only vote Math if I was wrong to keep my townreads interested. But that's the answer. I am not voting elsewhere.

[Titus]

Titus, you scumread BTD to hell and beyond and yet say that Nos is a real good town. There's so much dissonance in your narrative I don't know how you stand the vertigo.

That's because you're riding in a teacup while trying to perform field sobreity testing. You wonder why you fall

[Titus]

I'm playing League. If this Nos wagon manages to get to L minus 1, I'll do my damn job and claim scum so you fuckers stop lynchinh town.

[Titus]

Who in that scumteam coached him to claim, Titus?

Dramonic Aronis Rauth. Take your pick. Bold random words, claim it's a crumb. Lurk. When someone pushes you, we'll strawman some irrelevant point and annoy to deflect. I don't have access to scumchat, how am I supposed to know which one?

[Titus]

Jesus, if I were a toilet I'd be jealous of how much shit Titus is full of.

EBWOP

Then I would suppose you'd defend BTD6's "crumb" as town right?

[Titus]

so is there like any chance of getting a non terrible wagon today or is this what you guys are happy doing?

Tell us who a non terrible wagon is.

I am fine with BTD6 Rauth Aronis Dram or texcat. The latter 3 are stupid wagons mechanically.

[Titus]

Titus, why are you vehemently refusing to vote me?

You're dark and off the table and I have a wagon on scum. So why would I? If I had a vig, I would shoot you.

[Titus]

How does your needless antagonization get a not-Nos lynch since you're townreading him? It doesn't Dram. Your goal isn't to save Nos, it's to snark and save BTD6. That's why you're ignoring his "crumb" being a blatant lie to snark.

[Titus]

so is there like any chance of getting a non terrible wagon today or is this what you guys are happy doing?

Tell us who a non terrible wagon is.

I am fine with BTD6 Rauth Aronis Dram or texcat. The latter 3 are stupid wagons mechanically.

no on BTD

why Rauth?

Ginngie
Creature
QuantumRadius

are the 3 least town members of light pt.

Check out his lack of reads in his last exchange with 79CE.

Ginngie is obvtown same with Creature.
QR is that town guy with tunnel vision. Town there too.

[Titus]

Like no one thinks BTD6 is any good for town but everytime we get a wagon, some town goes off the reservation, scum lampoon the person who refuses to join the town counterwagon. Rinse wash repeat.

[Titus]

I thought you were playing League.

I was but whackamole happened. If I could get 5 seconds of actual discussion on BTD's scumslip rathet than trolling about Nos's legit town frustration, things would be smoother. Dram and Aronis are going to hide rather than discuss BTD's lie.

[Titus]

Nos' self-vote wasn't frustration.

Yes it was. I was in the same place earlier. Only town wagoning you. Day needs to end. Yes that's town frustration and hopelessness.

[Titus]

do you think that scum rauth plays along with aronis's mason claim by claiming hes linked?

Why not, regardless of alignment?

[Titus]

do you think that scum rauth plays along with aronis's mason claim by claiming hes linked?

Why not, regardless of alignment?

because now he has to actually be something that makes sense with that claim he made in response to a joke.

Yes Aronis's "joke" he made to survive.

[Titus]

Thank god. Now we can get Dram tomorrow.

[Titus]

Yeah, this is definitely Civ 2.0.

Pine's hydra was extremely obvious scum yet any wagon attempts on him were shut down without Pine's intervention.

noticemeSenpai also was extremely obvious scum, everybody ignored them.

Close but this time I didn't give up when I had a wagon on scum. In Civ I gave up.

BTD = Pine
79CE = Math
Nos/Math = lynchbait recurring wagons pushed by town.

[Titus]

VOTE: Math

I still think Math is town, but a promise is a promise.

Also I got to the Alisae shot before I had to go again. Apparently I've had a partially shitty game, for that I'm sorry.

[Titus]

And yes mine is simpler because it relies on this thing called FACTS.

The fact is we dont know what the boon is.

The crux of your argument is that a strongman/bus driver boon exists.

We dont know that Math

Yes we certainly do. Or you are a liar and intentionally blocked BTD6 or Nosferatu did.

BTD6 is confirmed town. I went somewhere. So BTD6 was likely blocked unless you're going with town derp.

So your argument is that out of all the active players in the light PT scum CHOSE to block BTD6 (you or Nosferatu).

So you're arguing Nosferatu blocked BTD6 because...........

How do you know you went somewhere now and not yesterday?

[Titus]

IF THERE WAS A BUS DRIVER

AND NO STRONGMAN

THEN BY SHOOTING SNARKY

THEY WOULD SHOOT BTD INSTEAD

WHO WOULD STILL BE IN MY PROTECTION

TITUS IS BODYGUARD AND PROTECTED HIM

I PROTECTED HIM.

NOS CANT ROLEBLOCK BOTH TITUS AND MYSELF.

Not true.
We'd target Snarky which would go to BTD
Scum shoot BTD, which would go to Snarky. Scum block Snarky in case their bus fails, blocking BTD.

It's a bit farfetched, but possible.

[Titus]

@Titus
viewtopic.php?p=9316155#p9316155

Read Day 2.

it's quite the story.

scum never bussed, BTD6 obvious counterwagon.

you were right about your wagon being an all town one.

Part of me can't tell if Math is a dueling scum wagon or counter.

Vedith/texcat/Aronis don't look good sitting on BTD for so long.

I'll go take a look at the VCs after I am caught up.

[Titus]

Creature is the other protective.

Creature has implied he has role info suggesting strongman, not that he's a protective.

[Titus]

If you're talking about the switch, it was a frame job on me. It got Titus out of the light to keep her from protecting, and it was meant to make a mislynch on me more likely.

All that did is prevent me from linking up with my townreads.

[Titus]

Honestly, since the boon doesn't flip, I seriously doubt it's something related to an extra role.

For the record, to conclude what Math thinks.

It's either a strongman meaning a second scum.

or.

A scum with a bus driver...meaning a second scum.

Everyone else is cleared besides Math and honestly, just the claim of redirector sounds so uberly scummy given this game is role madness.

Cleared is a bit strong here.

FMPOV no one but Alisae is cleared, I just happen to be townreading all of you.

[Titus]

Hey Gin, I know you tried REALLY REALLY hard to get BTD to not be a thing and onto Nos and was literally shut down by everyone and demotivated as fuck as 3 weeks went by and you tried to counterwagon onto scum, but because you gave in, you don't have any right to speak about him.

Yes he does.

[Titus]

Quite honestly, Bulba or Math is being lynched today with Math claiming a guilty

Wait what did I miss something?

[Titus]

Titus, I'm going to need you to look at the reactions to the forming town bloc at some point to figure out which are town kneejerks and which are scum desperation.

Ok. I will but for sake of argument, who all is in it?

[Titus]

Mod: Do we see boons with flips or not?

<<< Answered in 5978. >>>

[Titus]

Mod: Do we see boons with flips or not?

Titus--Nos was Desperado' by A2 boon didn't flip.

I am asking anyway.

[Titus]

That's called me having a result, Math.

What result did you get?

[Titus]

Hey Dram if Math is town, what is your Ginngie read?

[Titus]

If Math is scum, whatbis your Ginngie read?

[Titus]

Do you know said result, without outing what it is, must be on Math?

[Titus]

Hey Dram if Math is town, what is your Ginngie read?

scum

If Math is scum, whatbis your Ginngie read?

reevaluate

Why on each?

[Titus]

Do you know said result, without outing what it is, must be on Math?

No. I double checked after Math's claim. It says that I submitted on Math, but then just says my target when referring to the result.

I don't get why math is playing chicken shit with calling it a guilty. Math voted specifically with the reason that they redirected him.

Because they tried to play ahead of me and failed miserably. That's why they're playing chicken with my actual role and grasping onto non-existent vig crumbs, even though they acknowledged my actual claiming to have a result in the PT.

Bulba, I know what you think, can you just lay out precisely what happened without the conclusions?

[Titus]

I'm seeing a different scenario but I'm wanting to work it out...

[Titus]

There's still scum here:
Mathblade
Ginngie
Creature
QuantumRadius

Why am I excluded?

[Titus]

My ranking

Math
Ginngie
QR

Get the fuck out, not lynching outside of those three.

[Titus]

Bulbazak isn't hammered yet, right?

Also, is it from scummier to townier or townier to scummier?

Scummier to townier.

[Titus]

I hope he isn't hammered but if he is, I'm charging at Ginggie.

[Titus]

Yeah, Ginngie I think both Bulba and Math are town. If you were scum, the nightkill situation is explained.

It doesn't explain everything but explains somethings.

[Titus]

If we insist on Math v Bulba, I am siding with Bulba because I don't like your recent posting.

[Titus]

You literally just said while voting Math, that you believe they are town.

they have what appears to be a guilty on Bulba, and you vote the person presenting a guilty when it's a clear explanation why i'm not dead.

How hard is this to freaking understand Gin?! I was Math's biggest detractor d2. Scum move me to light. Suddenly, Math claims a guilty saying they magically moved me to the scum kill, yet they don't want to completely 100% back their guilty. That's not a coincidence. I was set up to take the fall today, and Math is hoping everyone just ignores the fact that n1 PoE from the light PT points directly at them for scum. This is a game of smoke and mirrors, and you're falling for it.

Them or Ginngie. We believed a strongman under the premise Ginngie jailed Snarky. Yet, why would scum specifically recruit their roleblocker if they already had a Strongman in light (Math scum scenario)?

The other possibility is Math redirected Ginngie onto BTD. Thus Ginngie blocked BTD, I was roleblocked and the kill on Snarky went through.

Math attempting to hijack a vig kill (although Bulba not vig) also is scum motivated.

[Titus]

The second scenario doesn't work with Creature's claim though.

[Titus]

Math has literally said who they redirected..

In the setup where Math is scum, I am not believing who they redirected. I am applying Occam's Razor.

[Titus]

I did. You pushing a Bulba Math dichotomy doesn't make me feel good about you. Math sounds town but I am reevaluating with the night actions.

Also, I am rather curious as to why and how Creature concluded a strongman because the evidence is off for a strongman unless the strongman was a boon and in that case it should be some dark players we should scrutinize. The artificial push on light may be a bad thing.

You seem more interested in gettting Bulba and Math to fight than sorting them. If scum have a bus driver, then either one or both could have mistaken results or Math redirected Bulba who isn't a killer. No result pins them in a 1 v 1. Yet, you try to force that and are upset at suspicion.

A roleblocker flipping should cast doubt on scum having a strongman, which means you go in the resort bin.

[Titus]

Vedith why should we bring you into Light over Titus?

While I am not sure Vedith is scum, it seems optimal to bring me over to bg you.

[Titus]

btw Math answer this whenever
why did you redirect Bulba to Rauth?
If you said why earlier I might have missed it.
Just humor me.

Remind me what Math's n1 claim was please. What do you think of my Ginngie scum theory?

[Titus]

Yet, why would scum specifically recruit their roleblocker if they already had a Strongman in light (Math scum scenario)?

Theory: Nosferatu had a strongman boon.

That is possible too.

Math's claimed redirects also don't make sense or are highly arrogant in the least. Redirecting the outed cop? Why not force me to protect the cop, unless Math somehow thought their own judgment was better than BTDs? There was no consensus on who Snarky checked and if Math died, we'd be shit out of luck and have a wrong cop result. Snarky would then be mislynchable.

[Titus]

You seem more interested in gettting Bulba and Math to fight than sorting them

I'm kinda disagreeing with you here, mostly because in the Light PT I was seeing Ginngie not knowing what to do with this situation in way I found to just be really natural for them.

We can punt on it for now. Math makes much more sense mechanically as scum.

[Titus]

So Titus, you thought BTD was scum because he was "faking or trying to set up a guilty" on Mathblade correct?

or do you need me to get your own words that you've spoken, because unlike you, I can back up my statements with evidence from the game.

So with that said, you seem to be gunning at me hard for 'creating this dichotomy' between math and bulba because Math said they redirected Bulba onto the night kill with that being the actual reason to vote Mathblade.

you said nothing about that at all and it's an obvious double standard.

I've said plenty about it. You're too busy trying to create a setup that isn't there while I'm actually trying to solve it. IF you were actually solving things rather than jumping from wagon to wagon, you'd actually engage me substantively on my points but that's never been a thing you do regardless of your alignment.

[Titus]

OKAY, TELL ME DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE

THAT IN A ROLE MADNESS, A REDIRECTOR HAS A HIGH VALUE FOR SCUM TO MANIPULATE THE BATTLEFIELD?

Read the post above you. Of course.

[Titus]

Ok then back off and let me catch up. I can't be here 24/7 and nor would you want me to be.

[Titus]

I'll do some initial eyeball analysis tonight on the VCs.

[Titus]

Everytime someone says they're confirmed town god kills a kitten.

Dram, you going to explain your reads or take up the mantle of useless tunnel?

[Titus]

Why is QR scum

Probably isn't.

[Titus]

Oh well, scum have factional boon, so we don't need to necessarily lynch in the N1 light.

No. We're lynching Math today. We're not going after another shiny toy. This gets resolved.

Hell I am up for a Texcat wagon like I have wanted since day fucking one.

This is not how town reacts with a supposed guilty. Math is trying to edge away from this.

Okay I caught up I dunno what to make of the last few pages because Bulba being really frustrated in a way that doesn't sound genuine and/or natural to me.

You know what? I'm tired of this Bulba doesn't sound genuine BS without the balls to back it up. I'm bearing my soul here. I'm fighting against a set up 2 days in the making, and I'm leaving so much of a trail that there won't be anywhere for scum to hide. It's maddening how transparently scum Math is being here. It's maddening how clear the scum agenda is here. It's maddening how close we are to actually breaking this game, but everyone is allowing themselves to be bullied by scumzors who want to tear down any hint of town coming together. And it's especially maddening that all of this is so clear to me, and everyone can't freaking see what's in front of their face. So you better start being a lot more clear about what's not genuine here, because I am nowhere near through making noise.

how about this
what if i checked math tonight
i'm really not sure what to think

No. Math or me today. Math may be trying to inch away from this, but I'm calling a 1v1. Put up or shut up.

I am not thrilled with this. Math reads town to me, but I did make you a promise. I'm not going to derail this, but Ginngie pings me.

[Titus]

You know what, Aristophanes can take the reins. No one is interested in actually playing mafia; I'm done here. Enjoy your shitshow.

Ouch, I have been here trying to sort this.

If you're still interested in this, Math mechanically looks guilty but sounds town.

[Titus]

Ginngie, you're just being annoying and delaying my VCA by setting up a strawman of my argument. Bulba doesn't get back to back mislynches if one of them flips town.

[Titus]

Bulbazak, just tell me who the scum are. All three or the pool. You keep guessing right, you'll keep getting my vote until you are wrong.

[Titus]

i really really dislike the fact that bulba is thunderdoming this

Me too but can you put together any logical world where Math's actions make sense? I'm not talking about the guilty/not guilty but their alleged choice of actions.

[Titus]

VOTE

VOTE

VOTE

VOTE

I have been since start of day man.

[Titus]

If I'm going, I'm going big with so much information on the table that you can't help but lynch the scum team. Let's start with this VC, because it's been bugging me since d1:

Eighteenth Votecount

:

Aronis - 5 (BTD6_maker, Vedith, Titus, Alisae, Aelita)

79 CE - 4 (SnarkySnowman, texcat, Frosted Kelvin Bran, Aronis)

SnarkySnowman - 2 (ThinkBig, Ginngie)
Vedith - 1 (Rautherdir)
Ginngie - 1 (79 CE)

Not Voting - 5 (QuantumRadius, Mathblade, dramonic, EddieFenix, Bulbazak)

Why aren't scum on Snarky? I've been bothered by this, and I don't have a clear answer. Snarky gives a townread on ThinkBig based on not a lot of information. It's a faux pas that scum should be eager to jump on, but nobody does. And it's not like no one noticed, because Snarky was ran up later based on the same reasoning. So why were scum uninterested here? What is it about the Aronis and CE wagons that are keeping them off of easy lynchbait?

Titus, I know you like to VCA. We can look at the other VCs later, but what's wrong with this picture? Are Aronis and CE two competing town wagons that scum don't want to distract from by hopping onto Snarky, or is one of those wagons scum, and the scum team doesn't want to risk a viable counterwagon?

The conclusion based solely on this VC is that 79CE is likely town unless Aronis is also scum. Aronis is a decent flip at this point.

[Titus]

Vedith, Aronis, Dram might be where I want to go based on eyeballing early day 2 with my flu.

[Titus]

Titus, talk to me about the Cirno messages.

There was only one and it was a troll message. No content. I can paraphrase if you want.

[Titus]

The conclusion based solely on this VC is that 79CE is likely town unless Aronis is also scum. Aronis is a decent flip at this point.

Is CE not town if Aronis is scum?

Vedith, Aronis, Dram might be where I want to go based on eyeballing early day 2 with my flu.

No. We're doing Math. I'm not having anyone distract from this.

Remote chance of both scum, based solely on that VC.

I understand Bulba. I am just providing what info I can in case I die.

[Titus]

Paraphrase (all caps in original)

HI

IS YOUR ALIGNMENT TOWN?

MY ROLE IS GREAT BUT
I GOT NO ONE TO USE IT ON
SO THE DICE WERE ROLLES BY ME AND NEATO
YOU ARE RECEIVING THIS MESSAGE FROM ME

[Titus]

Remote chance of both scum, based solely on that VC.

I find that the most unlikely. Scum would have been all over Snarky if that were the case. I'm thinking either both town, and scum didn't want to risk starting a third for fear of collapse, or one of those is scum, and the scum team didn't want to risk losing a viable counter wagon. I've just been trying to figure out which was more likely.

Probably correct. That's why I said remote.

[Titus]

Also, could you vote Math, Titus is never getting lynched while I'm alive :3

O.o? This is wierd. I thought I was your scumread?

[Titus]

I'm still not sure why Cirno was moved. I've looked over both ISOs, and the message doesn't tell me anything.

PoE? Why were the others not moved?

[Titus]

It could just be Math trying to outplay roles again, but I'm not sure that's right. Cirno claimed that his role was useless, so why move him instead of anyone else that had a potentially better role? Did they think he was bluffing?

As for reads, I know he was mainly starting with town reads and working backwards. I can look back over those. I just doubt it's a moved based on reads if every other move was made with a specific purpose in mind. If they were afraid of his reads, they'd have just killed him.

The Snarky kill was rolebased. They did not have two kills. If DrC was jiving well with us, moving him made sense. He could be a godfather still though.

[Titus]

They could have moved Snarky to the dark. They didn't. They chose to kill him. Cirno was a non-presence. And he sent you a message. I doubt he would be a godfather as well.

Moving Snarky to dark eliminates strongman paranoia no?

[Titus]

Titus, walk me through scum having a redirector over a strongman. So Math moves Gin to BTD. Kelvin/Nos roleblocks you. Where does Creature fit into this? I've only come up with one possible solution for what he could be and end up with a strongman result, but he'd still need to be targeting Snarky. Am I missing something?

Creature imo needs to claim why he thinks Strongman. That's where I am on night actions. If we could definitively prove n1, we can sort a lot.

[Titus]

Titus, walk me through scum having a redirector over a strongman. So Math moves Gin to BTD. Kelvin/Nos roleblocks you. Where does Creature fit into this? I've only come up with one possible solution for what he could be and end up with a strongman result, but he'd still need to be targeting Snarky. Am I missing something?

Creature imo needs to claim why he thinks Strongman. That's where I am on night actions. If we could definitively prove n1, we can sort a lot.

Fruit from the poisoned tree.

You poisoned this town. I keep thinking you're Town and maybe you're scum just trying to hide facts.

@Ginngie we've been over this. I didn't have time to detail every read that changed. It is common SOP that re-evaluate after Town flip.

Hardly. I was wrong on BTD but town was finding Nos scum. The distinction between bus driver and strongman has little implication. If a Strongman exists, you actually look townier in that exchange. There is also the possibility of neither and Ginngie being scum.

Why did you redirect Snarky instead of forcing me to heal Snarky? Assuming you are town, Snarky could be left with an inaccurate result.

[Titus]

Titus, walk me through scum having a redirector over a strongman. So Math moves Gin to BTD. Kelvin/Nos roleblocks you. Where does Creature fit into this? I've only come up with one possible solution for what he could be and end up with a strongman result, but he'd still need to be targeting Snarky. Am I missing something?

Someone needs to watch a bass pro tournament.

If I wanted to fish for Creature's role, I'd be asking questions in the PT, not talking to Titus.

Who was actually townreading Nosferatu?

Math defended him d2.

Creature imo needs to claim why he thinks Strongman. That's where I am on night actions. If we could definitively prove n1, we can sort a lot.

I don't think he needs to claim at this time. I still have him as town. I think if he was scum, I would have been framed for a Gin kill, as there would be nothing to stop scum from going through. Scum targeting Rauth means that they were looking for something low key and guaranteed.

And if Gin is scum?

If we could lock down strongman as existing, rather than a mistaken belief by Creature then that helps. It also stops Math's bus driver theory and brings them back which is good regardless of Math alignment.

[Titus]

I'm not that sure Math is scum...

Nor am I. If Math and Bulba are town, your claim is one of the rare things I could see them course correcting over. I am asking you to claim. You are a TR, so I get it if you say pound sand but at least consider it...

[Titus]

No Math, the question is why would you not send Titus to protect Snarky.

mastina already said you would have known that you couldn't force snarky to make an action

This

[Titus]

My role doesn't give info about BulbaBlade.

No. I want to verify strongman or disprove so bulba and I can make hypothesis. If strongman near confirmed, Math must reset. If Strongman out, Bulba may need to.

[Titus]

Sorta expected that if scum had a redirector they would get Snarky inaccurate results.

Yes, but let's stop guessing and start logicing this please Creature.

[Titus]

Sorta expected that if scum had a redirector they would get Snarky inaccurate results.

This actually

Why does this cause you to unvote Math, as Math claimed to target Snarky and is consistent with your "scum motivated choices" theory?

[Titus]

Titus, why redirect Snarky if they would strongman him.

It's a waste of ability.

Maybe because it's not an honest claim by Math but the safest one?

[Titus]

Again, that supposes a bus driver Creature, which goes against your hypo claim d2. This is why we need that card on the table.

[Titus]

Titus, why redirect Snarky if they would strongman him.

It's a waste of ability.

Maybe because it's not an honest claim by Math but the safest one?

Really? You think I would lie with like half of the game in the dark? Like that's bullshit. You think I would invent crumbs for a role that I am not and start from day fucking one to do it. Tell you it is negative EV for me to visit you when I am universally townread???

I am solving what first and then why. I do not believe a bus driver. If no strongman, I'd want Ginngie roped.

[Titus]

Again, that supposes a bus driver Creature, which goes against your hypo claim d2. This is why we need that card on the table.

That is, assuming MathBlade was scum redirector.

Can you or can you not prove or disprove strongman?

[Titus]

Okay Titus.

Stop.

Solving.

With.

Roles.

Go by play

Then I'd want you for getting in my way out of light, but if we get down to this and detail all the possible setups, the game is cracked. So I'll stick with my promise and logic.

[Titus]

Ginngie, This posting is why you're insufferable. You act all high and mighty as a deflection method that stops others from hunting. You don't listen to me which in turn causes me not to listen to you ranting back. When I suspect you, you refuse to let me go through my process to get where I need to be.

Bulba, will read in a moment.

[Titus]

@Bulba, All of your setups are supposing scum Math. While I think you might be right, your logic is circular.

There are three conditions

Strongman
Bus Driver (absurd but lol)
Roleblocker on me

If a Strongman is the source of the n1 kill, then we have guaranteed scum in Math, Creature, Quantum, Bulbazak. Ginngie and myself eliminated because scum would use a blocker. If scum have a strongman, then BTD being blocked makes no sense with the current claims. Scum could have blocked BTD but then it only makes sense if they deduced Bulba's role and felt it less of a threat than BTD's. I don't see that happening. Could it?

If Bus Driver is the source, we have a similar mathematical PoE list. It would suggest that all actions targeting Snarky targeted BTD. Math's redirect on Snarky would be redirected (if honest). BTD would wind up targeting Snarky and get no result as a tracker, because his target is dead and jailed by Ginngie.

If roleblocker is how Snarky was killed, we have Ginngie or myself as scum. The biggest problem with this theory is it fails to explain BTDs lack of result. BTD targeted Math and got nothing. So Math could only be commuter or ascetic (town blocking BTD makes zero sense) or redirected Ginngie onto BTD. Commuter and ascetic are eliminated by Math's own crumbs and Bulba's softclaim. So Ginnie redirected or just lies and targets BTD, scum block me. If no strongman or bus driver, Ginngie or Math must be scum.

With me so far Bulba?

[Titus]

Just Titus.

Please.

I get angry and upset when you ignore what I bring up and you seriously just did it again.

I said you wouldn't mention or acknowledge nos and you haven't.

I haven't got there yet.

[Titus]

Mafiascum

Jailkeeper role doesn't block other people, just a heal and role block

Alien is a variant that acts like a heal and role stop

So basically, BTD wouldn't be getting a no result by targeting snarky

If you targeted Snarky but were bussed or redirected onto BTD, he's blocked.

If not, Snarky dead might give a no result.

[Titus]

Titus, does me being scum require me to be lying about jailkeeper

Please answer this as fast as possible

No...I don't think so.

[Titus]

Bulba, perhaps maybe clarifying how the guilty is rock solid is a good idea.

[Titus]

FINALLY, okay, real folks blues is over with.

Yeah that was a hard game. You put up a good fight.

[Titus]

Is that why you have such a hard time town reading me?

I still think my tone and activity is leagues different but I'm getting better at it.

Partially yeah.

[Titus]

Alisae, I don't feel the best about this wagon but we may get something by comparing Math wagon to earlier days.

[Titus]

Alisae, I don't feel the best about this wagon but we may get something by comparing Math wagon to earlier days.

Check out this theory.

Town gets wagoned, no counters or any discussion besides that player.

Brings up counter wagon onto scum, scum attack the old town wagon with force.

Nos didn't vote BTD until she became a wagon herself.

It's almost literally a mirror match up actually

Great, how does that tell us anything here?

[Titus]

Bulba, if we're wrong you know we are sheeping Alisae right?

[Titus]

Mod: Was Creature moved before or after night action resolution?

<<< Answered in 6438. >>>

[Titus]

VOTE: TWIE

Ironwall activate.

Still need my question answered though.

[Titus]

Was it a question in here or in the PT?

Here. I need to read the PT.

[Titus]

Was it to me, or are you talking about the mod question that will be answered regardless?

Yes? I am wanting to hear that answer before I put out my theory as to what happened last night.

[Titus]

Aronis, for once in this game, stop being useless and actually vote scum.

I would but I'm just too useless to possibly do anything right tbh
I don't even know why I'm here
Just so useless
I'm completely worthless

No youre not! Don't say these things! <3

Fyi the post that Bulba claimed made Titus all but conf!town was a two-line post that came out of nowhere, was completely flat tonally, had no nuance and was not followed up at all.

Gin said she had information that pointed to scum being in the PT. She never said what that information was. Titus then says there's a strongman. There's no way she could have known that Ginngie was also a protective role. That's a town claim.

That's me remembering that Bulba v Math could be an SvS btw.

Guys, I have a guilty.

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Creature is also probably scum for not protecting Gin. However, TWIE used an action last night from the dark PT, so they were the ones who performed the kill.

nancy, we're gonna sheep this eventually. Sorry!

Dont want to rush the day yet though!

I have yet to read the light. And I cant tic tac toe for nancy. And Titus could still be scum, but if the kill came from the dark there probably is no scum in the light, right?

Bulba, why did you check TWIE?

Except for possibly you, yes.