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i considered voting you in my first post, but then thought “Kokichi might be one of the easiest players in this game to have a quicklynch form on.” i don’t want a quick mislynch, but i’m ok with pressure applied to you, just not with me on it atm. this is all given that only 5 votes are needed to lynch someone.
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VOTE: Creature
i’ve had a hard time putting you away in my last two games where you were scum.
In post 38, stungun0404 wrote:i considered voting you in my first post, but then thought “Kokichi might be one of the easiest players in this game to have a quicklynch form on.” i don’t want a quick mislynch, but i’m ok with pressure applied to you, just not with me on it atm. this is all given that only 5 votes are needed to lynch someone.
I mean, I'm pretty sure no one will be lynched on page 1 but ok?
happened in a marathon game with yuurei when she was actually scum, lmao. but her team still won because of lack of associative info :-X
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Post #79 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:35 pm
Postby stungun0404 »
i can’t help but agree that shoshin feels a bit off, but this is still a little consistent with her town meta, i believe. i’ve played with her before, and i think she does throw out reaction tests from time to time. not sure if she does that as scum or not
In post 93, GirlInFreezer wrote:Okay but why are you arguing best reaction test and methods.of better play as opposed to what it means about shoshins alignment? Do you think her making "not the best" reaction tests is meaningful?
is she searching for a scummy reaction or not is ultimately what i have to question there. in taking back a townread, what scummy reaction could you possibly get?
but i’ll digress on this point so we can move on. i don’t know what her intent is
it feels off because i’ve never seen her in her townplay take back a townread, or even a scumread for that matter
it’s almost like she wanted me to look scummy here. tell me, if you were fake townread and people ended up voting you, would you be on the defense or not?
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Post #107 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:33 pm
Postby stungun0404 »
i tend to flounder more often when i’m town than when i’m scum. like you’ll see me argue a lot more aggressively, and i’ll actively look like lynchbait. whereas when i’m scum i am very calm and methodical with how i respond to any votes against me, and tend not to really ever be a d1 lynch target.
now if i happen to get lynched for some reason, i think profii is the most sketchy on my wagon atm.
at least the reasons shoshin and gif are on there are alright, but the fact that he’s stayed glued on there so far looks kinda icky to me when it’s based off no reason.
In post 124, stungun0404 wrote:seriously guys, what is scum about this? when shoshin even actively encouraged me to join the wagon. i would so do that if i were scum.
I'm pretty sure you interpreted that as a reaction test...
In post 124, stungun0404 wrote:seriously guys, what is scum about this? when shoshin even actively encouraged me to join the wagon. i would so do that if i were scum.
I'm pretty sure you interpreted that as a reaction test...
tone is why i nulltown read him. i could see him as scum, but his tone doesn’t seem scummy to me. it’s very nuanced, but it’s enough to put him at nulltown.
nulltown does not mean i explicitly townread him; he’s still rather null
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Post #139 (isolation #33) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:41 pm
Postby stungun0404 »
In post 81, GirlInFreezer wrote:if shoshin is a weak scum player they're probably town but in my experience I'm never this lucky to have town correctly reading me this early and it's usually scum pocketing.
it would be really heartwarming if she was town but that's not usually the case.
i tend to be very difficult to townread on the bat on d1 too, unless i’m scum, lol. idk why that’s the case
In post 154, GirlInFreezer wrote:Why are you so sure profii would be the partner? What's with the excessive focus on Aronis? Why should you have been locktown to Stun?
Stun busses. That's his meta. So voting profii when he's under pressure made a lot of sense.
My focus on Aronis isn't excessive? That's an odd interpretation. Very odd.
Stun should have read me as locktown for reasons I'll talk about later.
i have scum games i can prove to you where i haven’t bussed at all.
never think i don’t play scum games differently. dangerous territory
In post 107, stungun0404 wrote:i tend to flounder more often when i’m town than when i’m scum. like you’ll see me argue a lot more aggressively, and i’ll actively look like lynchbait. whereas when i’m scum i am very calm and methodical with how i respond to any votes against me, and tend not to really ever be a d1 lynch target.
now if i happen to get lynched for some reason, i think profii is the most sketchy on my wagon atm.
at least the reasons shoshin and gif are on there are alright, but the fact that he’s stayed glued on there so far looks kinda icky to me when it’s based off no reason.
VOTE: profii
Tell me about how my RVS vote is sketchy lol
it seemed kinda linger-y and intrigued me how all of your first three posts remain steady on the topic of “stungun-this”, “stungun-that”. are you actively sorting other players?
lol, you’re admitting that nsg’s first post has held up pretty well with that comment
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@profii, i like that you are giving me a map of your thought processes there. i just wiki’d you, and it seems you do well as both town and scum, but especially scum so i’m aware we should watch out for you in this game if you are scum
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Post #199 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:42 pm
Postby stungun0404 »
profii, i said i flounder as town though but not as scum (mainly because i don’t fight with the same type of energy when i’m being scumread when scum).
you also seem to think i’m the optimal vote since your vote is still there, why is that?
In post 100, schadd_ wrote:stungun0404 (3): profii, GirlInFreezer, Shoshin
Yah, get off
creature's likely to be town this game. he got me mislynched in lynchpin mafia on d1, where him and nsg were scum, so him discouraging a repeat of that with this comment reads like it's likely to be coming from town creature. basically, the only thing that limits my thinking here is that he stated it after the wagon has already died down, so i don't know --> could be genuine, but could also see it being a wise placement of pocketing (but i find this so much less likely; it depends on whether creature!scum pockets players which i don't really think he does). so i feel safe to assume creature is town for now. occam's razor takes effect!
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Post #247 (isolation #47) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:18 am
Postby stungun0404 »
In post 699, Irrelephant11 wrote:teach, I thought about what to do N1, and basically just followed advice I’ve heard for jailkeep - when there’s multiple scum, JK is doctor, and when there’s only one, they’re cop. Good thoughts though!
Thanks Reck!
also, dear jailkeeper: which may or may not be me.
this is some really good advice for how to use the jk role to find scum that recently helped irrelephant’s town faction beat scum me in lylo.
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Post #251 (isolation #48) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:24 am
Postby stungun0404 »
nsg is pretty heavy scum vibes, so far actually, given that i replaced into a game on my alt where she was scum and she lurked prior but then i was lynched on the basis of her lurking meta as scum without anything to do with my play.
i was lynched within a day of the start of that day phase. wisdom tunneled me
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Post #328 (isolation #53) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:10 am
Postby stungun0404 »
on top of page 12 rn, note that.
@shoshin, your case upholds my impression of profii. i think he’s scummy so far for tunneling his vote up to page 11 on me for like no general reason. also, when a player shows a lack of hard stances in their scum game, but a willingness to commit to such in a town game, that speaks volume towards their scumminess.
so yes profii and nsg still can make sense as scum to me.
nsg has done nothing in this thread, and so there would be no reason for profii to talk about her if they are partners. i’d assume he’s decent at avoiding associatives given that according to profii’s wiki, his scum team’s won 75% of the games he’s been in.
and also rc, scum mentions i feel is not a reliable scumtell at all. in fact, i used such in a recent scum game (newbie 1875) to try and get teacher voted out in LYLO. my partner platfleece mentioned HIM 26 times in his ISO, and my slot only 3 times.
26-3 is an utter defeat of town mentions over scum partner mentions
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Post #334 (isolation #54) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:19 am
Postby stungun0404 »
In post 279, profii wrote:I actually like that page topping post from Shoshin there - It’s easy for scum to just throw out whatever narrative they want to try and get people to believe but you’ve gone meta diving to go and find the “right” narrative irrespective of what you find
Have the biggest town badge so far
i’m holding you accountable for this read moving forward
like it’s not even really a hard stance
shoshin is definitely town so far given her priorities scream shoshin town to me. can you make that sort of a statement? that would look much better and not look like trying to actively avoid taking hard stances.
if she’s scum fooling me, i’d eat my hat, but i definitely can’t see this being a shoshin scum affair so far.
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even aronis is taking many hard stances (conftown stance on page 12 of shoshin; committing to a full reads list this early). i’m inclined to find that to be town townhunting and scumhunting, so early townlean on aronis for taking so many hard stance.
i find it incredibly sketchy that profii has not taken even one.
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Post #337 (isolation #56) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:25 am
Postby stungun0404 »
good, 283 profii takes some stances, but heavily favored in terms of finding players scummy (more scum than town mentions which looks bad to me).
especially when he says i’m probably not scum, but he kept his vote on me all the way up until the later aronis vote off memory.
and he also mentioned aronis as being a scumplayer’s dream (implying thinking aronis town), then later turns around and votes him. i don’t get that progression. he’s either scum or he’s not scum, now he’s scum to you?
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Post #342 (isolation #57) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:31 am
Postby stungun0404 »
hmm, profii i to an extent do like that you found a town game where nsg started off lurkier. but tbch, i’m pretty sure she does this a lot more as scum than town, i say that from both my own experiences and how her meta sitewide is known as doing such. she’s even mentioned it herself in one game, that she tends to flake out of games as scum.
@gif, as of page 12 what made you townread profii?
i mean, i could make an argument for potential profii town—so idk what you mean that you can’t back it up with substance. that would be that he’s been putting himself on display here with his content early on (votes with little to no attributable reason on me and now aronis), BUT i don’t think that was intentional for him to put himself on display like this early on and thus i’m scumreading him for it because his content is so easy for scum to produce. his AtE’s aren’t even convincing me.
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Post #348 (isolation #59) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:42 am
Postby stungun0404 »
In post 307, GirlInFreezer wrote:What they're saying is that if you were scum there's a lot easier ways to push you and you wouldn't bother going for supplementary details which may end up not being in favor of the narrative you're pushing
But as town you would do the meta analysis
It's not the most rigorous of thinking but it makes sense
i see this now. but this argument definitely isn’t cogent enough to adapt my early stance on him. all of this is attributable to profii-scum too. i’m not thinking he’s someone we should townread right now though, and i tend to be right when i call townreads into question as town, as they typically are scum. so if i’m not following a townread someone puts out, and i call it into question as town, and they can’t back it up with a statement that changes my mind, that players has had a tendency of flipping scum.
suffice it to say, i don’t call that many townreads into serious question.