micro 816-II: pokemon go (open game) (gambe over)

[stungun0404]

good point @rc! and i believe you maria. can’t go wrong with a shoshin + maria + stungun lead wagon with friemds that agree (irrelephant, rc and gemini), can you?

seems like no one else has joined the profii wagon this day phase though—but why? especially when the leaders seem to be overall the most townread (with the exception of nsg with shoshin and creature with maria)? where is this resistance coming from?

VOTE: Profii, in connection with the web of scummy posts/scummy lies i caught him in last night phase, and the fact that once again no one could back up the reasoning for townreading him.

seems creature wagon wouldn’t go anywhere, anyway! i’d bet all of scum are in the pool of {profii, kokichi, creature and nicorobin}. main question is which among you are town?

[stungun0404]

L-2

btw

[stungun0404]

@shoshin i actually need to know why you were so adamant about aronis claiming last day phase? so much so that you were entirely distracted from the profii lynch.

cause if profii is town and you had knowledge both aronis and profii were town, we're talking an entirely different narrative to this game

[stungun0404]

hold on. i’m thinking i may have just found scum. this player’s not profii

UNVOTE: Profii

[stungun0404]

@shoshin i actually need to know why you were so adamant about aronis claiming last day phase? so much so that you were entirely distracted from the profii lynch.

I don't think it's okay for players to troll around like Aronis, be put at L-1 where it's obvious they're going to get lynched if they don't claim, and then refuse to claim. I find that sort of behavior anti-town and I think it's anti-town to let it continue.

i’ll speak from my position that it looked incredibly antitown to tunnel energy on a claim in a game with one town power role when instead you could have tunneled that energy on a more likely scumflip —> profii. if town, this tunnel energy was poorly focused in the sense that a). you made a mistake i can reveal postgame but will opt not to right now, and b). you’re actively helping scum PoE their way down to the JK instead of just letting things be when instead we could have obtained a profii lynch yesterday and indeed caught on to the fact that aronis was town, like i had been pushing hard.

it is what it is, but that’s just my take on things

[stungun0404]

PoE’ing to scum always takes priority over PoE’ing to roles.

[stungun0404]

@kokichi, who is your strongest townread (other than me) at present and why?

[stungun0404]

i think creature is scum, and has been getting help from his friemd ircher that is now out of the opposing game and flipped town. a lot of his d1 posts reflect his scum tendencies to my recollection. notice how creature has been a bit more substantial out of nowhere this day phase -- this can be attributed to his partner helping him out now that he is out of the other game. otherwise, why was creature so relatively insubstantial last day phase, in the sense that he sheeped me with a townread of shoshin (which he is still trusting) and sheeped me hoping i was right with a vote on profii.

i am feeling burned out with mafia right now, however, so i'll just post what i had already typed up here and call it a day for now.



creature would definitely take scum over ircher imo. there is no doubt in my mind if the 2 had that option. creature has been in so many scum games recently in his meta actually, looking at them. why wouldn't he take on another potentially - now that we know ircher flipped town in the other game?


seems creature has a tendency in his scum meta, but never in his town meta, to bold certain sketchy elements of posts while simply adding a comment saying "lol". this is the main substance of the posts he gives, and it serves to directly shade another player in the game every time he does it. problem is, these posts are incredibly insubstantial and creature reflecting where creature is at and he doesn't tend to make those kinds of posts as town, or so it appears fmpov.

it seems this is one way scum!creature inflates his post counts in certain games where otherwise he might be caught. he did it here, thus he is very likely scum based off his meta.

creature- probably town.

I liked one of his posts

lol

reads like he's possibly intending to doubtcast aronis. is he even implicating that he is scum, and therefore aronis should not townread him there?

1247 also serves to deflect attention back to aronis, just by creature simply questioning it, even though creature is not on the wagon at this point--he is on the profii wagon "hoping that i am right" there. i'm getting pocket-y vibes there, now.

also lol posts @ profii in 1081 when he says maria vs. creature is t vs. s.

other games of proof

Creature!Scum game in transformers mafia

creature's scumgame is to post one thing scummy and then lurk for the rest of the game

while RC fervantly defends him

kappa

lol

if you look at transformers mafia too, you'll notice creature seriously

diverged

from his lurkiness as scum tendency. granted, that game was multiball, but it can't be discounted when there are people enabling certain elements of his scumplay as being impossible for creature to perform.

lol. well that hunt failed miserably; of course it would be in another game i played with him but nowhere else in the first page of his most recent threads
but i did ensure that he indeed did that in none of his town games on the entire first page.


he also tends to make posts with higher frequency as scum that only contain the substance of "???"
stockport mafia (scum game)
viewtopic.php?p=9993221#p9993221
viewtopic.php?p=9996526#p9996526

he did so here as well in 222 and 1138

there's more games to credit here from a quick dive into his meta, but i really don't feel like doing it right now as i mentioned i am burned out.


makes a post in a scum game where similar to his opening post here--he claims he needs sth interesting to happen.
viewtopic.php?p=9856177#p9856177
does it in his first post here: 31



hmm... sidenote to lookout. creature and nicorobin scum team has won a game before where creature was lynched d1. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75246



creature from my memory also seems super focused with clearing himself in his scum games as opposed to trying to sort other players. he tried to do that here with me last day phase in being ok if i proposed a lynch option, as long as it's not him. that's when i turned to profii, but that still did slightly ping me at the time.
1166 is where he did that this game.

1393: why is creature suddenly so confident profii is town; enough to say stungun vs. profii is t vs. t. does he think profii will be the lynch today, and thus he is wanting to avoid that lynchwagon to put himself in a better position? that's what i am presently thinking!


and also i don't think this game can possibly exist in a state where both profii and creature are town. if one is town, simply the other is scum. they were the 2 primary "doubtcasters" of aronis, and that was a town mislynch. so one of them is pretty much scum. profii has done a few things of recent that i don't think scum would do, and as such i automatically assume creature must be scum.


also, notice how creature is veering away from majority targets, which might mean he knows certain players are town. he is doing this in favor of voting for lynches that probably won't happen (Kokichi and maria are his faves rn; even though he started the nsg wagon and that never really took off).

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Creature. seems this is the lynch i want right now

[stungun0404]

i actually like creature’s response here myself as well. ugh, who even is scum then?


@creature, just so i know before deciding to unvote you, why do you think nico “feels” town?

[stungun0404]

i already did earlier

gemini thinks profii is scum last time i checked

she finds nsg a light townlean

she thinks shoshin is town—we both agree here

creature —> most recent read, had to look back, but she said creature might be town

she thinks profii + nico scum team is likely if nsg is indeed town.

she thinks profii’s 361 is especially scummy

she thinks kokichi made a scummy action somewhere—so i will take that as a possible scumlean there.

last time she talked about maria/rc was awhile ago, but at the time a scumread.

so lots of scum indications is kinda reflective of the current gamestate unfortunately. town needs to town it up for real!

[stungun0404]

my main problem is with the composition of the nsg wagon though, and my early read there. nicorobin and profii both concern me and they both joined that wagon to make it L-2 early on

can you sanity check my post townreading her from early on? i’ll dig it up here in a second

[stungun0404]

UNVOTE: Creature

[stungun0404]

791 includes my early writeup on nsg

[stungun0404]

you know what, kokichi is a lot more lucid with forming reads this game than i have ever seen him be —> reads lists, knowing who he thinks is town/is unwilling to vote. is that a scum sign for kokichi? i don’t really feel like doing the research myself :-/

i’ve only played with him in large theme games tbf, but he seemed a lot more confused in those games.

[stungun0404]

i only remember kokichi!town also, never seen him flip scum in a game with me

[stungun0404]

hmm, well i think if a gamestate exists here where kokichi is scum then by consequence maria would probably be scum just because of multiple instances of chainsaw defending in that case. i similarly remember one with rc when i was initially made into a lynchwagon d1. i can see the need for chainsaw defending to occur in a game with only 2 scum.

keep this for later!

in the meantime, i’ll consult gemini about what townpinged me about profii enough not to hop right back on his wagon, and see if she agrees with the things i noticed.

[stungun0404]

profii, bad news, gemini still finds you to be scummy after i recalled what i remembered changing my stance on you over.

good news, i’m not voting you yet. i’ll allow you to answer a question first!

say you had the ability to give a power role (let’s just go with an ability to jailkeep for convenience) right now to one of two players — maria or kokichi — which one are you picking and why?

[stungun0404]

profii, bad news, gemini still finds you to be scummy after i recalled what i remembered changing my stance on you over.

good news, i’m not voting you yet. i’ll allow you to answer a question first!

say you had the ability to give a power role (let’s just go with an ability to jailkeep for convenience) right now to one of two players — maria or kokichi — which one are you picking and why?

Great - makes no odds to me but that will help Flavor Leaf no end.

And - can you clarify? Are you saying you want me to put Koki or Maria in Jail or are you saying if I could elect one of those 2 to be a JK?

honestly befuddled how you suspect it will help him to no end. to what end? scum promoting misinformation or town getting caught up in the wrong things?

elect one to be a JK with a reason why please.

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Kokichi. I have no reason to townread him at all off memory to be quite frank. I have some reason of my own to townread profii, so let’s see where this goes.

[stungun0404]

@creature, has ircher provided any reads in your pt that you can share here?

@nico, has the worst provided any reads in your pt that you can share here?

@nsg, has mutantdevle provided any reads in your pt that you can share here?

@kokichi, aside from the profii is scummy read from gamma, any others you guys have discussed?

@shoshin, aside from irrelephant thinking profii is scum, anything additional from him?

basically, i just want everyone’s reads from their partner that we can get

[stungun0404]

who’s rc’s other sr aside from profii?

[stungun0404]

i can foresee that, but the problem is they both seem like they could be town lynchbait too, so what in particular would make them scum together?

:-/

[stungun0404]

kokichi!scum flip is explainable with either of profii or maria as the partner or even nicorobin, so i kinda want that flip rn. (yes profii could have conceivably distanced from kokichi and i might explain things if it ever comes to that, but maria/nr seem more likely on the surface).

if it’s a townflip, then creature looks sketchier. and so does nsg (at least to my memory).

thus, a lot can be derived from a kokichi flip fmpov. so i’d be happiest with this lynch atm

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Preature
VOTE: NSG straight outta compton
VOTE: Crow’s Feet She
VOTE: The Profiteer
VOTE: Week of Sobbing
VOTE: Shoshine Boy
VOTE: ScariaR

about where i’m at rn

p-edit: of course as i’m making this everyone shows up

count the real one @mod, which is


VOTE: Kokichi

[stungun0404]

14 hours to deadline. I WILL NOT be present around deadline :-/

i’d be content with a creature lynch tbqh. creature or koki for me rn

[stungun0404]

Why the fuck is everyone suddenly so scummy.

this is something new?

also VOTE: Creature

creature/kokichi are likely of opposite alignment

[stungun0404]

creature/kokichi are likely of opposite alignment

This is what I mean about being scummy. This looks like setting up lynches. In what way have we proven to be opposite alignments when we have had no interactions?

creature’s push against you and my own sense of the gamestate led me to hazard this assumption

i feel like there are several scummy players rn, but the two of you seem like possible t vs. s based off your interactions. both of you have also pinged me

notice i said likely. this of course allows room for say a maria and nico pairing, or sth else. does not imply you both cannot be town, thus you took it slightly out of context.

[stungun0404]

i don’t feel like creature is genuinely scumhunting, which is a sign that he is probably scum

[stungun0404]

2 votes on creature rn

notice also creature is the only player not voting. upholds my impression that he is not scumhunting with us

[stungun0404]

Spoiler: gnna add something later

Vote count 2.5

profii (3):

Shoshin, MariaR, Kokichi Oma

Kokichi Oma (2):

northsidegal, stungun0404

northsidegal (1):

NicoRobin

NicoRobin (1):

profii

not voting (1):

Creature

with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 2 ends august 30 at 14:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-08-30 14:00:00)

mod notes

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oh i just went back to last vote count and saw you were not voting @creature

[stungun0404]

btw guys 7 hours until deadline, so quit waiting on nico

@mod: can we get a vote count pronto please?

[stungun0404]

absolutely, over ircher who flat out hates scum, and is pretty much always a d1 lynch as scum

[stungun0404]

ircher hates scum though, or so i’ve heard. why is he choosing it if he

hates

scum?

[stungun0404]

creature btw is 2-0 in scum games against me to date. i think he would take his chances for a third win before ircher would take a scum role. if they got one, hands down i think it went to creature pretty much every time here, as he can just engage and get people off his lynchwagon.

his posts have not even been that insightful, so i don’t think this is town creature, and that is what we should be judging imo

[stungun0404]

ircher hates scum though, or so i’ve heard. why is he choosing it if he

hates

scum?

"I'm the kind of player that cares most about townplay and thinks being scum and hoping town mislynches is very boring. Yes, I highly despise being groupscum, what's fun about being scum?"

-First words of Creature's wiki

if they both hate scum and they get a scum role, someone has to take it though. theoretically then it could be either. why not have the one who supposedly is more known for hating scum roles take it if they are more prone to win? creature has been fire in scum games recently

i may be suspect of you if creature flips scum tbch

[stungun0404]

lol if it's NSG and I again.

hmm, what if it is??

[stungun0404]

creature, what are your thoughts on nico? would you encourage a policy lynch there right now if it happened?

[stungun0404]

if kokichi is town, but also creature and profii are both town, then who is scum nsg? i want to see things from your point of view here, because i just see you going to bat for a high number of players and it does not really feel like aside from kokichi you have been focused on scumhunting.

[stungun0404]

i have a bad feeling about a nico lynch if i am being utterly honest at this moment in time. i think if it townflips we have little info to go off of

[stungun0404]

what on earth @ shoshin getting killed? i could tell she was town fwiw; confirming that does nothing for me.

i went into the night thinking if kokichi is killed then one of maria or profii is very likely to flip scum

but now my initial reaction is i think this kill implies kokichi is scum

[stungun0404]

btw, we’re in MYLO, we need to be very careful!

[stungun0404]

no more than 2 town votes on an incorrect wagon for scum to quickhammer

[stungun0404]

i think we are at a stage where the jailkeeper just needs to out themselves. they are conftown if not rebutted.

that’s one less problem for us to worry about. higher chance of us lynching scum today if we are not focused on them at all.

does everyone agree with this given we are in MYLO? i’m open to the opinions of others here

[stungun0404]

profii, your reads were drastically off. i want to see your newly revised ones asap

[stungun0404]

NSG's belief that I contradicted myself is weird, too.

Like, there's a very clear progression here. I thought she was town who had some paranoia of me based on inactivity. I wouldn't have cared about that and even said it was okay for her to suspect me a bit at that point in the game. But then I learn that she suspects me based on content, not inactivity. At which point I realize something is off about her. I skim some of her other posts and realize she's defending Profii for bullshit reasons that she can't even come up with. I realize her reads are fake. And so I start suspecting her. And then she says I'm contradicting myself because I happen to have a progression to my reads? That's scummy in itself. Like, she's not looking at the obvious town tells in front of her because she's pushing a lazy theory of me and Kokichi as scum without actually doing any real scumhunting or townhunting.

I'd lynch NSG today.

Profii/NSG

makes the most sense to me at this point.

one of these 2 are probably scum at this point. either that, or else shoshin likely had a good jk crumb somewhere because i knew if i were scum here i would always shoot for the jk first and foremost and i don’t understand what faction would not, especially with so many null players in the game.

i dread nicorobin actually being town right now. how do we work with that?

[stungun0404]

credits?

[stungun0404]

i want a kokichi lynch as of rn. i would have probably killed kokichi if i were scum because i would have thought she was the jk just from reading the thread. i took a mental note of that as soon as i saw that

[stungun0404]

*he

[stungun0404]

i want a kokichi lynch as of rn. i would have probably killed kokichi if i were scum because i would have thought she was the jk just from reading the thread. i took a mental note of that as soon as i saw that

Also this post is shady. You say yesterday you thought I was JK? Then why did you try to get me lynched yesterday?

it was after the fact that i was on your lynchwagon that i drew that conclusion, you know when you made that “if i was jk” statement.

that automatically made me assume you were jk. it’s perfect for crumbing who you plan to target, thus why i thought that.

[stungun0404]

Maria/RC slot I'm lock towning, because of meta from Maria that I don't want to reveal but she did yesterday when I was testing her.

that locktown read makes me feel unsettled though. ugh :-/

i don’t think i trust maria right now either. help me find some reason to, at least!

primarily i suspect {koki, maria, profii} rn.

[stungun0404]

i want a kokichi lynch as of rn. i would have probably killed kokichi if i were scum because i would have thought she was the jk just from reading the thread. i took a mental note of that as soon as i saw that

So, just because you thought I was JK why does that automatically mean that mafia thought I was jailkeeper? Also if I was mafia why would I kill shoshin if he was townreading me

have you ever killed someone as scum that tr you? i have - so this depends entirely on the player and their ulterior motive.

[stungun0404]

maria feels very lamist-y to me off memory, and it’s that type of play that is giving me bad feels because that’s how i play as scum. does she do this as town typically?

[stungun0404]

provided nsg is indeed jailkeeper which i do not doubt,

then it makes by far the most sense in the gamestate for the scum team to be one of {profii/maria} + one of {kokichi/ nico} with a very slim possibility of scum being kokichi and nico together (as in >5% in my perspective, at least off memory; the difficulty of lynchwagons forming would be the primary reason for that to be a possibility). it’s hard to see maria and profii being teammates.

so possible pairs fmpov:
profii + kokichi, profii + nico, maria + kokichi, maria + nico, kokichi + nico

it’s just a matter at this point of determining which pair makes the most sense for a scum pair. i will do some research when i have the time and determine that on my own before i ever lay a vote down this day phase.

@jailkeeper, please claim in your next post, along with your targets thus far, and don’t forget to state who you are going to jk if a scum flip happens with today’s lynch by EoD.

with that, i claim vanilla, so we can PoE this sucker too. it’s not profii and it’s not maria.

that leaves: kokichi, nsg, and nicorobin with nico being very unlikely.

@kokichi, you are not jk, are you?

[stungun0404]

profii, have you ever been mislynched in a town game?

[stungun0404]

VOTE: NicoRobin because she's scum

Nah

If NicoRobins scum style is lurking I don’t think she chooses the scum PM

possible chainsaw defense right here? hacking at my choice of hacking at nicorobin being scum?

profii is giving me very bad vibes after rereading some of his d1 posts again. moreover, i feel his current shade on kokichi is very IIoA, which is something scum would gladly participate in.

profii and nico is making sense to my instincts right now, actually, because they were both doing what i would have done if i were scum, and at early points too: actively jk hunting and even trying to push votes forward to locate the JK. i caught profii with that towards the end of d1, and nico read creature as the JK and even outed thinking that.

if nsg is indeed jk, profii + nico both going after her lynchwagon d2 after creature’s post is gonna look bad for both.

[stungun0404]

I dunno, Stun's sudden certainty that RC is scum doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And Profii jumping on that wagon because of speculation about an Aronis/GiF team makes even less sense.

Have a reason. Anti town to reveal.

can you reveal that reason now please, or is it still anti town?

[stungun0404]

when I flip town pressure stun the most please.

he was on mine and gif wagon

, probably the best starting point

lol, you were on the gif wagon too, so your point was?

[stungun0404]

profii is scumpinging me hard right now rereading over d1, like tunnel hard.


@kokichi: i think it’s kinda scummy, especially in conjunction with how he flipped on me from d1 to d2. he thought i was probably scum and voted me for pushing his wagon so hard, but then turns around and townreads me d2 but still manages to shade me at intervals—supposably thinking i still could be scum. can he firmly commit to any townreads? i have seen consistency nowhere. he attacked my strong townreads last day phase and seemingly cannot stay stable with any of his. at least i have stayed stable with my shoshin and nsg reads. he has with nothing, and i don’t think that is profii’s town playing meta iirc.

@kokichi, also what do you think of these profii posts? i want to see more analysis out of you here, koki, as we’re at that critical moment!

if you're town and saying that 'you do not think that i am all that town' then you are still acknowledging that I am towny and choosing to ignore it for whatever policy shit you're bringing into this game
you're sure enough that I'm town to trade your life on my townflip and also to be ignored when you inevitably claim jailkeeper to out the town one, be our guest.

Actually this is scummy

This infers you are not the JK

You should know better than to narrow down the JK hunt

You did it anyway

Ergo, this is a scummy post

attacking this, but not voting this IS SCUMMY.

ugh, no, you were saying the other day you couldnt be bothered to fight GIF either...

if you drive this mislynch through i hope you are the JK because scum are taking you to lylo in this game...

notice also how aronis is not helping us lynch profii here. but profii is helping us lynch aronis. from that, it can be deduced one is scum trying to survive with a mislynch (survivalism) and the other is town not too convinced on the scumminess of anyone and is kind of resigned to being lynched.

The reason I’m asking is because imo it looks like one of Creature / Maria is probably flips scum so even if we coin toss and get it wrong then you have a fair chance in the other - it’s useful

Also, if we say, went Maria, I still believe that incriminates Aronis massively so makes the JK bit easy to get us a guilty/inno and wrap the game up


But idk what exactly is making me scummy here - for example -

your bit in 1186 makes absolutely no sense because you are linking me and Aronis, whilst just refusing to flip Aronis, but also not being bothered that creature follows you from Aronis to me in the blink of an eye

Even if we went Creature and it flipped scum, I’d JK you, if I was JK

wait, you misrep my post entirely in bold here. if you’re town, this is not carefully reading my post at all. i said aronis is town, you were scum. this looks bad to my eyes

VOTE: stungun

still willing to vote aronis or creature but stungun is very very lost rn

and does this post imply i am town? because if i’m very very lost, you would have to say not scum with a defined purpose to mislynch, correct?

and also, aronis and creature both flipped town, so the fact that he is after three lynchable town here in trying to survive does not look good at all.

[stungun0404]

well, we’d have to sway one of nico or nsg for that to happen, or they would just have to commit with us to secure a lynch, unless profii is town and 2 town start the lynchwagon and then scum quickhammer—which seems unlikely fmpov.

[stungun0404]

you know, it actually makes sense for shoshin to be killed if profii is scum. you know why? it would be much harder to secure a lynch there because we would need a 4th voter among nico and nsg provided profii doesn’t hammer himself, and shoshin was the most consistent with staying on that wagon, even though profii doubtcasted shoshin too.

[stungun0404]

VOTE: stungun

you literally implied i am town

and yet you are actually back to voting me

if this is not scummy, then idk what is

Yeh, profii will have to explain that.

Tomorrow

now that creature flipped town, explain.

[stungun0404]

one last thing

@maria, i’d like to know what prompted you to move off the profii lynchwagon yesterday after saying you would never move off that lynchwagon at the start of the day phase.

that’s it from me for now!

[stungun0404]

all of nico’s votes: stungun —> aronis (conftown) —> nsg (likely jailkeeper)

what is town about this voting pattern? answer: absolutely nothing. so nicorobin can very well be scum here. did not move off nsg at all last day phase.

@nicorobin: can you please place a vote down somewhere? tia

VOTE: Stungun

responds to voting prompt by voting me, which is scummy. why as town vote the person asking you to vote directly, and rather go for someone you explicitly find scummy.

puts me at l-3. lingers on my vote wagon even as i am put to L-2, which at that point gif and kokichi hop off my wagon, but nico stays on supposedly clinging to her town meta excuse. she finally pops up when aronis starts to scumread her to vote aronis who was classic lynchbait.

responds to creature’s supposed jk and votes nsg, but never moves off her while both creature and profii eventually change vote wagons even while creature claimed he was not jk. she’s just looking for excuses to linger on vote wagons, i don’t like it and it looks very antitown.

also, i don’t like that nico’s only townread was placed on profii, when i asked her about it d1. why profii? his tone apparently? well that’s how i felt about aronis but nico went and led a lynchwagon there on d1 so i don’t want to trust nico here unless she can produce something more substantial.

question is: does nico!scum ever vote for a partner in a game with only one partner? next research topic for sure! if not, then we can fairly safely assume that she’ll flip scum.

[stungun0404]

one last thing

@maria, i’d like to know what prompted you to move off the profii lynchwagon yesterday after saying you would never move off that lynchwagon at the start of the day phase.

that’s it from me for now!

RC.

gonna need more than this! any particular reason rc told you to move off, or reason that he had to look elsewhere?

[stungun0404]

here’s a question: if nicorobin is town, then why has every attempt at a wagon on her so far died down without much discussion when she could be easily utilized for a mislynch option among the active players?

profii + nico is really starting to make a lot of sense here

[stungun0404]

i feel nico!scum is the best lynch option today. we could perhaps even get profii to join it, meanwhile nico will not join a profii wagon.

kokichi and maria, you guys can join this wagon whenever, but just maybe wait until after nsg pops in?!

if you assume kokichi!town, nico is 100% of the time scum here, and vice versa. why? maria and profii are not partners. besides, look at how difficult both of the last 2 lynchwagons have been to obtain.

this is only explainable by at least one scum not actively helping us with the lynches, because if they were a big force with these town mislynches, we would not have to wait until deadline to get a lynch. town by themselves does not tend to settle on a town mislynch wagon that forms quickly, and if such a thing happened then scum would be actively helping us. given we have not seen that therefore we can conclude at least one scum has been stalling with their voting pattern in some way. thus, one of the players that have been more stubborn with casting votes in a reluctant sort of sense and that has been voteparking on particular players must universally be scum. this means one of kokichi or nico is virtually guaranteed to flip scum. i really think it’s nico right now.


i feel secure enough voting nico right now, and i kinda want this game to end so i can focus more on my college work, so i’m almost to the point where i want to vote nico rn

[stungun0404]

sure, scum is the 2 most active players remaining in a game where lynches have been super hard to obtain, that makes so much sense!

[stungun0404]

koki, i want you to look at my d1 shouting match with profii at end of d1 and the degree of my tunnel on him before he distracted me and see if you ever think we are partners yourself.

[stungun0404]

Spoiler: n

profii? i think there is a higher chance profii flips scum here than aronis

just look at how that vote wagon changed directions quickly

how easy he hopped on

and i had found this earlier in one of his town games, so i will copy it into here:

quoted from pm’s to myself: fun biz!

“profii does not really seem to be townhunting much this game, which is concerning me

Spoiler: a profii town game on d1

town stances

just because I don't proof read and I don't think that's very clear...

Ruby town

SIV scum

the bold bit:

I think that so far, ruby, whilst fairly aggressive about it, has been scum hunting,

so lets just call that town for now.

the SIV vote, whilst 3/10, is an easy way to get yourself on a wagon that potentially has legs... oh look I'm L-1

something weird is going on with me flying up to l-1 - I have no idea how that has even happened, so I'll be voting someone on my wagon I think.

I think this is the worsts town game

And Kokis

So I am thinking Una or Siv will be the scum

Una made some weird posts for Una to be fair but I don’t like SIV either

102 posts in, already 3 town stances.

Usually I can town hunt pretty easily but there is a lack of players towning it up in this game

he claims to be able to usually townhunt pretty easily, and has already taken 3 stances in that game, and yet claims “there is a lack of players towning it up”. why does it seem to me that he is not taking a similar stance in our game?

I’m pretty sure I’ve been criticised in my earliest games for being seen to town hunt more than scum hunt so I find it weird that someone would expect to find a history of me doing it - I kinda assumed site meta is scum hunt or die


Anyway. TW - our only other game I think was the mafia month game where I was scum. Why do you think this is my scum game again? I think this is your paranoia game because town lost that game I mentioned

claims he is a townhunter more than a scumhunter as town

Well I think Mr Otter can be town, that’s good

another stance, and we are only 151 posts in

Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1

Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst

what do you dislike about it profii?
in detail pls

I think I was just baiting to sort you - concluding you are town for now

Kokis town we can do a new wagon now guys

that is 4 players

kinda feel like Performer is too unaware to be scum like their reading comprehension is well thru the floor

I was literally just trying to think of the best way to phrase

“Sometimes players use bizarre logic and appear scummy to me, but they are just town that play in a way I don’t comprehend”

As that + what you said is my thought on performer rn

that is 5 players and we are only 395 posts into the game

i am not a fine lynch

damn that cute dog.

UNVOTE:

we get to a few more pages and i'll actually attempt to put effort in i guess.

I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?

so I feel like maybe i was in tchills lynch pool the whole time,

koki is probably town

and tchil is adding fuel to any passing wagons to see if they go through (i.e. mafia win-con remove any town)

I know that me being really weak but now the wagon has momentum let me see.
Dunn:
ruby / worst / tchil / koki / azurit / Lucky Otter.

now let's just look at some of the prev. wagons at their peaks

profii (5):
Kokichi Oma, the worst, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, SIV36

koki:
maria / profii / performer / SIV / TChill


the dunn wagon is

mostly

TRs, id say luckyotter is one of my stronger town reads maybe

My gut instinct is I don't TR Tchill and he appears on all the wagons, this is making me think 'any lynch will do for scum' sort of vibes. But again, it's quite simple, scum don't give themselves away like that.

sorting wagons and explaining why he cannot quite townread tchill.

urgh

LuckyOtter is like my biggest town read and tchill is my biggest scum read.

someone else can do it

not messing around before night phase where he is killed n1. he is messing around here however

”



my instinct is telling me profii is flipping scum here. thus, i heavily favor lynching him. little-to-no townhunting in this game = high chance of him flipping scum. need to investigate his scumgames really quickly, but i am pretty damn sure i want this lynch right now. ARONIS HOWEVER HAS BEEN TOWNHUNTING TO AN EXTENT off memory.
VOTE: Profii

Spoiler: extra reason

further,

What they're saying is that if you were scum there's a lot easier ways to push you and you wouldn't bother going for supplementary details which may end up not being in favor of the narrative you're pushing

But as town you would do the meta analysis

It's not the most rigorous of thinking but it makes sense

i see this now. but this argument definitely isn’t cogent enough to adapt my early stance on him. all of this is attributable to profii-scum too. i’m not thinking he’s someone we should townread right now though, and i tend to be right when i call townreads into question as town, as they typically are scum. so if i’m not following a townread someone puts out, and i call it into question as town, and they can’t back it up with a statement that changes my mind, that players has had a tendency of flipping scum.

suffice it to say, i don’t call that many townreads into serious question.

this is additional reason why we lynch him. my gut instincts here have been extremely accurate of late. i cannot fully townread profii, and have called tr’s of him into question. this has proven remarkably accurate for finding scumplayers in my recent games, even extending to a multiball scum game where i questioned a townread on creature and he was scum. in american presidents mafia, the only townread i questioned was on momrangal. she flipped scum. and this was on d1 before i replaced out of that game. this has been absurdly accurate overall of recent, and i encourage everyone to trust my gut here.

Like that whole one of 3 people are scum lynchpool doesn't really feel likely to come from scum

That's townish, yeah.

explain why please @gif, and not shoshin.

like, i can see how it can be interpreted as that, but want to see if your explanation to see if you have the same idea that i have here

i furthered that question mark here, never got a good answer. i am not relieved

VOTE: Profii

in case that was not clear enough

Spoiler: serious lack of town stances by profii in this game where he has taken a lot of scum stances if you look at his iso

I actually like that page topping post from

Shoshin

there - It’s easy for scum to just throw out whatever narrative they want to try and get people to believe but you’ve gone meta diving to go and find the “right” narrative irrespective of what you find

Have the biggest town badge so far

Stungun seems to be struggling to scum hunt but trying in their own unconventional way

Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell

My gut feeling is Shoshin is politically moving the vote around for buddying to try and split the pack as it were

GIF seems ok but I can’t read RC well so I’m not the authority on that

Whilst inactivity is annoying - if it is scum, I guess it indicates we are not putting scum under pressure thus, but I’ll hear NSG out

I also have Kokis PM explaination in my mind that he got the reject PM which could be a scum sign

So basically everyone could be scum and you don't have any thoughts about who it is?

Well the point of that post was

stun - prob not scum
Aronis - scum read
Shoshin - scum lean (though i later retract that)

Gif - no idea right now but if you held a gun to my head I’ll go town

NSG - whilst lurking is bad, I’ll aboid reading a slot on 2 posts
Koki - scum lean


So 8 players excluding myself, I’ve offered 3 potential scum slots
I’m leaning most strongly towards Aronis


So basically everyone actually is less than half


There are other times where I would call this shade and say you are scummy for it but your meta diving is swaying me towards saying you are someone who has confidence in their convictions and when you believe in something you will lead your wagon rather than sheep someone else’s

If some other players come in with “yes this fits your meta” uncontested I’ll basically lock town you tbh despite me thinking there are flaws in your case - the intentions seem pure

NSG is town

At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.

Like given the wagon I kinda wanna lynch Stun if it was me.

He seems to be getting some firm town reads but I’d question that - as time goes on it seems to be a more and more concerning slot

notice his focus is on discrediting my townreads, although he does not specify which of my townreads he is calling into question. nsg is in his townread pile—my heaviest townread. and shoshin is my others, so exactly what is he discrediting or calling into question here?

GIF feels like someone who is trying to push me because he thinks I’m scum

Stun feels like he is trying to push me because he can get the lynch though at this point

My town flip will hopefully lead you to Stun fairly quickly but idk where 2nd scum is

Whilst Aronis seems scummy, the lynch kinda stalled whereas there seems to be momentum on me and to a degree GIF - could easily be there

I’d expect Koki and NSG to be town

Not sure in creature and Nico


I sort of think it’s best to flip me just so scum don’t know not to kill me tonight as I’m not JK.

so, in 1000 pages, there has been a definite shortage of townreads so far by profii compared to his other towngame.

NSG is town

At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.

why did he make no mention or indication that nsg was town before this post. and he would only KNOW that nsg IS town if he is scum.


that is a damning enough reason to lynch profii here.

i am calling it: profii IS flipping scum. so let’s lynch profii

I would lol if the scum team is Aronis and Stungun

Aronis is coming over like a scums dream rn actually

Someone they can sit back and let the town mislynch with no intervention

Those I know, hello
Those I don't, also hello

VOTE: stungun0404

rvs votes me. my wagon eventually gets to L-2, he lingers on it (10 pages+ past that rvs vote) and tries to paint me as scum

I know I’m unorthodox town but that stungun post looks like cracking under pressure to me

trying to get a mislynch wagon d1 after gif/rc moves off me

meanwhile, a serious lack of town stances, which shoshin proved on page 12 and i myself am finding seriously sketchy out of profii. there is NO lack of scum stances, however, which means he is more likely than not scum given his supposed townhunting reputation as town.

i am calling it: profii IS flipping scum. so let’s lynch profii

I would lol if the scum team is Aronis and Stungun

Aronis is coming over like a scums dream rn actually

Someone they can sit back and let the town mislynch with no intervention

Those I know, hello
Those I don't, also hello

VOTE: stungun0404

rvs votes me. my wagon eventually gets to L-2, he lingers on it (10 pages+ past that rvs vote) and tries to paint me as scum

I know I’m unorthodox town but that stungun post looks like cracking under pressure to me

trying to get a mislynch wagon d1 after gif/rc moves off me

meanwhile, a serious lack of town stances, which shoshin proved on page 12 and i myself am finding seriously sketchy out of profii. there is NO lack of scum stances, however, which means he is more likely than not scum given his supposed townhunting reputation as town.

meant to comment on those aronis posts.

he admits aronis is a “ scumplayers dream” and yet puts him at L2 not long after that

The only good thing about lynching me is you remove a VT claim so it makes it harder for scum tonight but I flip town

i don’t believe you are flipping town


@shoshin, WHY SHOULD ARONIS CLAIM?

GIF HAS CLAIMED, PROFII HAS CLAIMED. DO WE WANT TO OUT THE JAILKEEPER THIS QUICKLY? BAD IDEA

let’s just lynch profii.

vanilla claim = harmless. and i seriously think profii is scum rn

our best move as town is just to lynch profii and let the jailkeeper remain anonymous

NSG IS NOT SCUM

profii is

i’m about to make a hella convincing case. but you guys need to back off nsg. profii is BLATANT SCUM in my point of view. LIKE 100 PERCENT. I HAVE HIM CAUGHT, I JUST NEED TO SHOW YOU GUYS.

we’re lynching scum today. scum is clearly profii here. i cased this yesterday, and felt a few players dismissed my case against him by not engaging with any of it and lynching aronis, and idk why.

we’re not quicklynching for the sake of lack of information, and i will expand on the case in a nutshell later, but VOTE: Profii




@shoshin: we need to talk about how you handled EoD. there was no sense in voting aronis just to have him claim at all. none. that would have benefited scum more than town.

good news @maria: i have my own thread to compose thoughts, so i should be posting less. hopefully that will result in people trusting my reads and cases more, as i only let the most valuable thoughts be known.

Point being because we are in a 1v1 which I suspect you will continue tomorrow- it would be nice if Aronis can flip scum so JK can cop me or you and we can rebuild some trust

Otherwise scum exploit it massively - guarantee you and me alive tomorrow for this very rewson

if i’m possibly the jk, why am i guaranteed to be alive tomorrow?

you can’t guarantee that i will be alive

you are making excuses for us both to be alive tomorrow before tomorrow, this does not have good looks

Sure there is a unlikely possibility that
-you are JK
-you hit the scum kill person or scum target

It’s more likely that scum go “profii vs Stun is lol let’s just kill an inactive”

lol @ me being unlikely to be the jk. looks like you are seriously invested in figuring out who that jk is. scummy

You know your meta fluently

So if you are scum it would apparently be easy for you to go x is my meta but I did y so im town

It has nothing to do with this game tbh


You keep saying thing like that though - it’s like you are playing text book mafia rather than trying to understand why things in this game are happening

does not mean it should be thoroughly discounted like you have done here: that is what scum likes to do. it is beneficial for them to reject something always regarding a player’s playstyle before they even look into it, especially if knowing that player is town.

if it is firmly founded, it absolutely can be the case. see nsg’s meta for a good quality example of this. she has claimed before some of her scum tendencies and in fact they have turned out to be truthful and have gotten her caught after the game where she first admitted to them. in fact, i replaced into a doomed scum slot on my alt that was doomed by her scum meta, and i was in fact scum. so meta should not be thoroughly discounted like this

Point being because we are in a 1v1 which I suspect you will continue tomorrow- it would be nice if Aronis can flip scum so JK can cop me or you and we can rebuild some trust

Otherwise scum exploit it massively - guarantee you and me alive tomorrow for this very rewson

if i’m possibly the jk, why am i guaranteed to be alive tomorrow?

you can’t guarantee that i will be alive

you are making excuses for us both to be alive tomorrow before tomorrow, this does not have good looks

you tell me if you ever think these interactions are ever s vs. s in a game with a jailkeeper that can function as a cop with only one scum with the majority of these being on d1 and a few early d2. remember also that profii vote lingered on me early d1. so you’d have to believe we have been bussing each other from the get-go in that case.

should not even be a question, i wouldn’t buss with that type of power role possibly coming after me after his flip, especially if i am all alone and a townplayer would potentially be cleared in addition.

[stungun0404]

interesting timing, but...

UNVOTE: Profii

[stungun0404]

Why would you vote there? Stun you're acting weird af right now.

that was a messed up quote. read everything that’s there and you will see that

[stungun0404]

i was quote a ton of my posts and the fact that another involved a spoiler messed up the tags

[stungun0404]

The fun part is at least 1 of you are scum and prob going "ha ha my interaction with x sure will clear me"
It won't.
Stop trying.

1 of who?

[stungun0404]

Okay, Prof. If I'm scum who is my partner?

lol @ you asking a question prof asked me to distract me from his lynch on d1

[stungun0404]

fair enough, i can definitely see your intent there

i like questions where i can see the intent to them as being possibly town motivated.

i didn’t feel that way when he asked me such d1, but of course i had committed to several definite stances whereas he had not.

[stungun0404]

WTF?

who tactically no kills n1 with a jk?

[stungun0404]

WTF?

who tactically no kills n1 with a jk?

hmm, i could see a player like rc thinking to do that and prompting maria to do that under the right occasion. i don’t think maria would do it on her own terms, but just with rc’s advice perhaps. i don’t want to read too much into that, however, in order to err on the side of caution.

some way, scum must have felt secure enough not to send in a kill. ugh, does this mean profii is scum or not?

and what does that mean regarding the gamestate then?

[stungun0404]

pretty much the only reason i can think of for scum to have no-killed is because they either thought that neither of them would be investigated and as such wanted to frame whoever was investigated

or (and this may be unlikely but it's possible) scum thought it was likely that they were targeted by the jailkeeper in a protective manner (i.e. someone would act like a doctor in jailing them or just that the jailkeeper townread them), and so hoped to make it look like they had been shot at and protected

what if it was one scummy player and one towny player on d1? thus, they felt like there was a high chance they would be targeted either way

that would make a maria plus nicorobin team possible. nico was scummy and inactive anyway, but maria was highly townread on d1,

[stungun0404]

pretty much the only reason i can think of for scum to have no-killed is because they either thought that neither of them would be investigated and as such wanted to frame whoever was investigated

or (and this may be unlikely but it's possible) scum thought it was likely that they were targeted by the jailkeeper in a protective manner (i.e. someone would act like a doctor in jailing them or just that the jailkeeper townread them), and so hoped to make it look like they had been shot at and protected

what if it was one scummy player and one towny player on d1? thus, they felt like there was a high chance they would be targeted either way

that would make a maria plus nicorobin team possible. nico was scummy and inactive anyway, but maria was highly townread on d1,

That doesn't make sense for a scummy player since it was unanimous JK should jail to doc

it wasn’t unanimous. profii objected with his own reasoning, but didn’t direct it directly to my post.

koki is coming off more like town here though i will note

so maria, profii, or nico is where i’m at right now

[stungun0404]

I’m sheeping Maria as soon as NSG says she is JK and no cc

Even though I’m in lynch pool I think I can explain the point that scum followed me into creature lynch to clear things up

problem is: you and maria are probably not town together though if nsg is town

you’d have to be banking on a koki and nico team

[stungun0404]

koki and nico team

You act like this is impossible

i’m not, i said there’s a chance it’s possible.

are you scumreading koki then suddenly?

i’m currently in need of both you and profii to answer several of my questions ftr which have not been answered because i need to sort which of you is actually town.

[stungun0404]

to be fair, creature looked like he was playing to his scum meta from my vantage point

profii, i’ll look at my meta here in a sec to bullet point those for you!

[stungun0404]

@stungun Considering what Creature said, I believe he is a JK with a guilty on nsg, so I am going there for now.

you think nico that is jk makes this post? i don’t.

[stungun0404]

Stun you're better than that, come on.

you’re right. i just pulled sth similar to what i got on nico for at an earlier point :-X

[stungun0404]

Tempted to agree (Side note Shoshin/stun prob aren't partners or stun Profill) Look at post 147 Also I missed a quote but stun said something about RVS and that was weak because we're way past RVS

you defend profii and i not being partners right after coming into the thread, but cannot defend us against kokichi when it matters most, aka like this day phase?

[stungun0404]

Tempted to agree (Side note Shoshin/stun prob aren't partners or stun Profill) Look at post 147 Also I missed a quote but stun said something about RVS and that was weak because we're way past RVS

you defend profii and i not being partners right after coming into the thread, but cannot defend us against kokichi when it matters most, aka like this day phase?

First of all you're a grown man you can fight your own battles. Second of all I already said you're not getting lynched that's defense enough. If Kokichi wants to vote Pro by all means go ahead

we all fight our own battles, no need to tell me to.

but when you give a roundabout answer to a straightforward prompt where kokichi asks you "do you think profii and stun are partners?" can you see why that can be interpreted as scummy? you gave a response that regardless profii is getting lynched today, as though you suggest but do not directly state that we could be partners. makes it look like you are leaving that door open for future days

[stungun0404]

Spoiler: profii's questions

• I dunno, Stun's sudden certainty that RC is scum doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And Profii jumping on that wagon because of speculation about an Aronis/GiF team makes even less sense.

  Have a reason. Anti town to reveal.

  can you reveal that reason now please, or is it still anti town?

• when I flip town pressure stun the most please.

  he was on mine and gif wagon

  , probably the best starting point

  lol, you were on the gif wagon too, so your point was?

  
  
  [*]

  VOTE: stungun
  
  still willing to vote aronis or creature but stungun is very very lost rn

  does this post imply i am town? because if i’m very very lost, you would have to say not scum with a defined purpose to mislynch, correct?
  
  and also, aronis and creature both flipped town, so the fact that he is after three lynchable town here in trying to survive does not look good at all.

  
  

• VOTE: stungun

  you literally implied i am town
  
  and yet you are actually back to voting me
  
  if this is not scummy, then idk what is

  Yeh, profii will have to explain that.

  Tomorrow

  now that creature flipped town, explain.

[stungun0404]

the tags always mess up when chain quoting

maria, can you please answer the other questions i directed to you when you get the chance? p-edit: even if that's tomorrow?

[stungun0404]

Maria/RC do you see a stun and Prof team possible at all?

Oh Pro is getting lynched today period dw

tinfoil: maria r and nicorobin are scum together, because of maria’s clear resistance to nicorobin being lynched today.

that’s it, i demand a nicorobin lynch today. why? scum would be pushing her like crazy as a mislynch option if she was town, and the fact that a). profii has a plausible chainsaw defense of nico in his iso, b). mariar demands a profii lynch over nicorobin, and c). kokichi desires the same tells me that nico is very likely a partner of one of the three. or else, why is there so much defense for her right now?

the only plausible partner pairs fmpov that don’t include nico are koki + maria which is unlikely and koki + profii which is also unlikely.

nico could be scum with ANY of profii, maria, or kokichi and it would make sense. given that i currently think koki is town, it would make a lot of sense for either maria OR profii to be the partner of nico. by getting rid of nico, we can then have extra time to sort between profii and maria, because one of them is the partner that makes this game a town victory if we lynch them.

nico has contributed nothing to our scumhunting agenda as a town faction. that is about as clear scum as you can get at this stage in the game. these defenses of her are insane right now.

[stungun0404]

actually rc and maria’s combined iso’s seem scummy in the sense that when they were each scumread, they both pulled the defeatist card out so as to encourage town to lynch them and lose the game. gif even voted himself to move voters off his wagon. why have both of them done that if that slot is town? so maybe i don’t demand nico after all, but we need to discuss things over here for sure!

I think scum wanted to frame someone who was likely to be jailed. Whether that be a townread or scumread.

if the framing strategy was used, it would make a lot of sense for nico!scum because she went straight for the JK crumb of creature’s and used that as an excuse to votepark on nsg the entirety of last day phase. so as to try and make it look like she didn’t no-kill, and as though scum had been caught in her eyes

[stungun0404]

Except contributing nothing is my town trait.

who are the two scum in your eyes, if you had to guess?

[stungun0404]

Except contributing nothing is my town trait.

and why do you expect town to automatically come to this conclusion, especially after you got on a town aronis and voted him over it in helping bring about a mislynch? aronis was town, so obviously it’s natural for town to be circling back to this conclusion that you could be distorting your own meta.

[stungun0404]

i’m about to thoroughly debunk what you have been defending yourself with nico for good

you have one micro-sized game with only 2 scum in your meta. you were scum. you posted 32 game relevant posts the entire game before winning, between february 27th and march 26th (about a month). that is about a post a day.
stockport mafia: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75246&user_select%5B%5D=31019


here, in a similar sized setup, you have posted 40 posts between july 30th and september 3rd. that is similarly about a post a day.

you can’t cling to this excuse any longer. if you don’t respond to my prompts in a time i find reasonable, i am very likely to vote you.

[stungun0404]

see: why is anyone defending nico right now? allowing her to continue to play the way she is and get away with it. at the end of the day, we are in mylo and we need any possible townplayers to engage with us or we are going to lose. look at creature and aronis, both of them were frustrated with nico, and i similarly am right now because she can defend herself in a reasonable capacity and not cling to her meta excuse every other post.

[stungun0404]

actually rc and maria’s combined iso’s seem scummy in the sense that when they were each scumread, they both pulled the defeatist card out so as to encourage town to lynch them and lose the game. gif even voted himself to move voters off his wagon. why have both of them done that if that slot is town? so maybe i don’t demand nico after all, but we need to discuss things over here for sure!

I think scum wanted to frame someone who was likely to be jailed. Whether that be a townread or scumread.

if the framing strategy was used, it would make a lot of sense for nico!scum because she went straight for the JK crumb of creature’s and used that as an excuse to votepark on nsg the entirety of last day phase. so as to try and make it look like she didn’t no-kill, and as though scum had been caught in her eyes

Have you ever played with nico? Serious question.

only as scum in another game. we nightkilled her the night i replaced into that game

[stungun0404]

focus please!

who is scum? who is town? like give us a gutfeeling at least, like i need sth to work with here.

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Nico

[stungun0404]

You think I'm scum with nico?
Let's get on the bus then choo choo
we can jail me I'll power lynch Pro after the jk dies and if we lose with kokichi being scum we can fully pin the blame on you.
Deal?

deal! if nsg can agree

although i don’t think scum that is partners with nico offers themselves up here like this.

[stungun0404]

Nico if you vote Pro rn I'll flip and we'll power lynch him.

wait, if you are town, why are you wanting to flip suddenly?

[stungun0404]

lovely, that’s your one conclusion and it’s not even a full one, wow. so much iioa! how much can you go for in one post?

i feel this is shooting at an odd angle right now. same as your kokichi push which was also IIoA. good thing ircher is not in this game for you, he’d have helped get you lynched by now. you are giving a lot of IIoA this day phase, which is scummy.

ftr, i only voted aronis because something you said made me think you were possibly town at the time because scum would be offering themselves up to do, so....

and you withheld my vote for kokichi and my vote for creature end of last day phase. why?

[stungun0404]

plus, just looking into votes posting them but not interpreting the reasoning for them is scummy. this is not anayzing. this is just giving information. which is why i feel like you are posting just to get more posts at this point. “lists look good for scum, so let me just post all these lists while reaching limited conclusions!”

[stungun0404]

who do you townread at present, profii? now’s your time to finally determine where you stand there.

i have been consistent ever since d1 about shoshin and nsg. i never voted nsg again after i analyzed her interpreting her motive. i also only voted aronis because of the last minute panic after you made a post that i impulsively thought scum might not make. i now regret that sorely :’(

i have seen consistency in your townreads nowhere, which leads me to question if you are townunting, especially given that you said in a town game that i meta’d that “you tend to search more for townreads”, or something like that. now is your golden chance to produce them

[stungun0404]

I think it’s u plus koki

scum team or town together, this is ambiguous?

[stungun0404]

i think it’s you and nico. mariar is also a cluster headache for me, though, tbqf

[stungun0404]

regardless, i think nico is scum here, and that’s my safest bet

[stungun0404]

explain the less confused voters if i’m scum

i literally don’t think i’ve voted almost every player ever in a scum game. not even close. i usually settle on like 2 or maybe three or four players, but not eight. i’d offer all my meta up to prove that too

[stungun0404]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76559&user_select%5B%5D=31546
last scum game in a micro
voting pattern d1:
isolato —> platfleece (scum partner) —> espeonage —> platfleece

d2: xander

d3: nexus

[stungun0404]

forgot

d4: teacher

[stungun0404]

here’s a bright idea, if you are going to analyze votes profii, analyze motive too. because analyzing votes alone says nothing! everything is important in context, not from strict data like votes alone.

i can thoroughly analyze your motive for starters

interesting that the first mention in your iso of even the simple term nico was not made until 972, the 104th post in your iso. and you simply say you are not sure about nico, but no you come to the defense of nico in 692

and i almost want to have some fun and find every time you’ve shaded now conftown players aronis, creature, and shoshin and put a green color over those shade attempts lol. i think that might take too much effort though, and space up.

thorough analysis coming though

[stungun0404]

lol, nvm that nico point, profii mentioned her in 692 first. blame the browser find tool for misleading me into thinking 972 was the first mention

[stungun0404]

with 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

day 3 ends september 1st

at 17:15 central US time; in (expired on 2018-09-15 18:15:00)

day 3 ended two days ago? well that’s just lovely, isn’t it

[stungun0404]

the reason i was townreading profii is because i would never imagine that a scumteam with him would deliberately no-kill night one

actually potentially a good pickup! question is, has he ever done that as scum. should definitely be a basis of research.

i can speak for myself, i would never commit to a no kill because i think it’s an awful strategy personally, as you risk more town gathering together on to your lynchwagon. i have never been part of a scum team that has no killed during the time i was in the game. a partner of mine did it one game after i was lynched though; actually that scum game i replaced in for you and was correctly lynched due in large part to your scum meta

i think nicorobin was probably a part of the plot that did this, because i don’t think she’d be hard to sway on that. i don’t know if kokichi has ever committed to that as scum. i could see maria doing it.

[stungun0404]

yeah, but all a fair mind needs to remember is who made their first statement regarding who is likely/unlikely to be jk d1 here (profii regarding me), and who didn’t make such a statement until d3 here (me regarding kokichi). easy enough to tell which one wins that battle. you were more focused on hunting that jk than i was, profii

[stungun0404]

you have been lining a lynch up on everyone for the longest, too

[stungun0404]

from your vantage point profii, if you were town who were to think i am scum, you would think i’d be lining up a lynch up on maria before kokichi because that just makes more sense from the overall focus of my posts today.

it’s super unsettling that your very first super super townread of the game is on the player with by far the least amount amounts among the six players remaining and with very little game relevant content.

you tell me why if creature and nicorobin were both town, creature was mislynched OVER nicorobin.

[stungun0404]

*why creature was mislynched

[stungun0404]

from your vantage point profii, if you were town who were to think i am scum, you would think i’d be lining up a lynch up on maria before kokichi because that just makes more sense from the overall focus of my posts today.

it’s super unsettling that your very first super strong townread of the game is on the player with by far the least amount of posts among the six players remaining and with very little game relevant content.

you tell me why if creature and nicorobin were both town, why creature was mislynched OVER nicorobin.

ebwop

[stungun0404]

also, if you supposably are drawn to think that kokichi and i are scum together, how on earth would i “line up a lynch” on my “supposed” scum partner? wouldn’t i be sticking up for them before i’d be lining up a lynch on them?

anywahs from my vantage point profii, it can be seen that you have been lining a lynch up on me ever since d1.

[stungun0404]

one last thing

profii, i think there is a chance you flip town in you vs. maria, but only because i genuinely cannot find for sure the town between you two. nico is hands down scum fmpov. otherwise, i would not be appealing to you right now.

in the case you are town you should really take into consideration how awful it looks from my perspective that you have continually been driving down the wrong direction. d1, you seriously believed aronis was scum. d2, you made a big push on creature. and shoshin you also doubtcasted, so from my perspective it makes perfect sense for you to be scum.

all three townflips have been critical of you at some point. shoshin and aronis were extremely critical of you. creature was critical of you d1, but that subsided d2, and the fact that nicorobin is the ONLY player left in this game that has never once been critical of you should be scumpinging you if you are town. why? that’s a pocketing attempt, when all she bases it off is tone with no further backing. it is perfectly conceivable that she is scum trying to look good after a potential town mislynch. if you are town; you have been mislynch bait since d1. and town has found you seriously suspicious with good cause because you keep on driving in the wrong direction.

fmpov, there is no reason you should be suspecting me right now. all three of the townflips so far were seriously invested in thinking i was town. on what planet does it make sense for me to be scum?

[stungun0404]

something just feels wrong about the direction i am heading in, ugh! and when i sense this in MYLO, it’s clear i need to reconsider some things appropriately, so that i don’t feel this way.

UNVOTE: Nico

[stungun0404]

i’ve been frustrated that people are still considering me being scum, and so is gemini, so wake up people.

can somebody genuinely look into my d1 again, and interactions with creature, shoshin and aronis from both sides of the townplayers and my own angle and tell me how it makes sense that i am scum right now? because without that, you guys won’t have the proper frame to townread me.

also note that of the players on the d1 wagons of me that reached L-2, only shoshin has been eliminated from the game. that leaves mariar’s slot, kokichi’s slot, nico’s slot and profii’s slot. in other words, everyone but nsg. so you’d have to conclude my partner would have been secure with letting me be taken to L-2 or that town centered around my wagon.

[stungun0404]

so all of the 4 remaining among kokichi, mariar, profii, and nico all joined my d1 wagon. nsg, you are familiar that scum like to join my wagon as mislynch bait, that’s what happened in lynchpin when BOTH you and creature joined my wagon. what would be different here from my perspective? clearly two town had to join two.

[stungun0404]

*too

but really that’s not even a difference, because three town joined my wagon in lynchpin

[stungun0404]

it’s super unsettling that your very first super super townread of the game is on the player with by far the least amount amounts among the six players remaining and with very little game relevant content.
.

you've totally ignored Nico's point, which I reiterated - Nico is purposely playing to meta to gain trust.

why ruin that for _this_ game

if you can answer that, I grant you a valid scum read on Nico, until then, you are twisting it to suit your agenda[/quote]
i established at an earlier point that in her only other

micro

-sized scum game, nico played very similarly in terms of content to how she has played in this game. she wouldn’t even be changing her meta that much, so it’s not exactly a trust tell.

i don’t know why you locktowned nico in one of your recent posts, but that is unsettling when she has been the least productive of anyone. i don’t think unproductive players can be faithfully locktowned, unless they have serious trust tells tbh.

[stungun0404]

that was directed to profii but the tags messed up

[stungun0404]

notice how i commented with shoshin at the exact same timeframe, so we both submitted that simultaneously

[stungun0404]

lol @ profii thinking he “knows” i am scum

after being wrong with both aronis and shoshin, and seeing you are wrong again, really makes it hard for me to believe you are town

nsg i will answer you here shortly

profii, explain why i would go after you so tunneling hard as scum just to secure a single town mislynch given aronis’s townflip which i could have otherwise just flipped on at an earlier point and not waited until deadline, and if you are town — not have disturbed you.

[stungun0404]

profii 2208

[stungun0404]

lol @ profii thinking he “knows” i am scum

after being wrong with both aronis and shoshin, and seeing you are wrong again, really makes it hard for me to believe you are town

nsg i will answer you here shortly

profii, explain why i would go after you so tunneling hard as scum just to secure a single town mislynch given aronis’s townflip which i could have otherwise just flipped on at an earlier point and not waited until deadline, and if you are town — not have disturbed you.

I have no idea what you are trying to convey in that last para

i’d have no incentive as scum to seriously town defend the main town lynchwagon—aronis— and rather go tunnel-hard at your lynch assuming you are town. that is not astute scumplay at a point when a town lynch is all but sealed. i wouldn’t need to do sth like that at a point where i’d pretty much be guaranteed a townflip with a lynch, again assuming you are town. i could just lay back and be inactive rather than hard-tunneling you.

by the same token you have given nico credit for being town, you’d also have to give me credit because i have been done the same thing several times this game in defending myself with how i haven’t/wouldn’t do all these things as scum.

[stungun0404]

so my lynch options are as follows: kokichi > gif >

creature

> nicorobin > profii >

aronis

>

shoshin

=

nsg

hmm, my d1 reads have held up really well on the whole. so what if scum is kokichi and maria, after all, and there is more to the tale than them just knowing each other well in this game?

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Stungun

I was having fun but stungun is doing my utmost to make sure that doesn't happen

I also think that he's like 4th scum equity in the game and is never getting lynched if I don't tunnel this today so probably the correct direction to go, especially when I'm not having fun while he's alive.

Please stop voting elsewhere and lynch in myself/Stungun.

lol, and these were gif’s reactions to my primary lynch options at that point.

did he try to distract away from him and kokichi being considered together? because that under the right frame could be plausible. after all, i think maria and kokichi is where i started this day phase at too.

[stungun0404]

why did maria suddenly hop off my tail after rc left the game if town? i think that might have been scum pocketing me with hindsight

rc was draped all over me throughout his time in the game

i think if town, maria would have still stayed on me.

this is making zero sense right now if she is referring to rc for all these reads.

[stungun0404]

I don’t have to do anything

You claim to defend the aronis wagon - but were on it
The scum motivation of pushing me is, to potentially be off the mislynch as you’d know to do that with TMI

As scum you know everyone is town so any push you have to find a fake reason - it’s hard - you are obviously in a comfortable position pushing me where you aren’t getting great pressure elsewhere for pushing a bad potential lynch so you can just keep going and going on me, if I was ooolozing town it would be harder for you to do that - it’s basically the same as laying back

Btw you are practically implying you know I’m town in that post btw

Also Nico - I partially take your point but I think thoroughly debunk is probably too strong.

It’s fair to say super low posting is Nicos town meta that she wishes to maintain so as town you will get guaranteed super low posting
It’s also fair to say scum players want to mirro their meta to do well - however as super low posting is so distinct if Nico tried it every time, then it would ruin it.

The conclusion there is fair enough it’s not lock scum, but it makes Nico more likely town - the main thing she has said that was “controversial” was the creature/JK stuff which was exactly what I thought too...

Now I missed the Jk crumb so it seems fair enough to me - there aren’t any other alarm bells ringing for me

The main thing I can’t sort in this game is Maria

- terrible tunnel on me
- claimed to know JK - I usually spot a breadcrumb and I missed it, so is this TMI from N1? Idk

Idk

what, you did the same thing to me two day phases ago? and i even called you out for it.

lol, what if we are just t vs. t, like creature stated.

[stungun0404]

possibly; i’m at about 60-40 in your favor vs. maria’s. it’s simple, one of you or maria is town. the other is scum.

i hate that maria is dodging my questions right now rather than talking with us.

[stungun0404]

2. She suspects me because I'm not around, period. Saying otherwise is bullshit.

NSG is right - if you find NSG scummy, any reason NSG has posted is therefore fabricated as she is informed already. Therefore you saying she has a genuine reason to scum read you means NSG is uninformed, ergo, town.

Look at NSG's 1900.

To be clear, NSG ignores the part of my post that desribes what she's actually doing "saying otherwise" and thus ignores the part of my post that says her behavior is fake (i.e. "bullshit").

Yes, in the middle of my train of thought I consider what NSG would do as town as compared with what she'd do as scum. That isn't scummy, it's how townies think. You look at both sides - is this town? or is it scum? - and then you compare what NSG's doing with those metrics. NSG wasn't suspecting me because of inactivity (her words), she was suspecting me because of content. Thus, NSG's read is fake. This isn't complicated.

When I questioned NSG about this, what'd she do? Instead of representing me accurately, she says that I never called her read fake until AFTER she called out the contradiction in 1869. Then she quotes 1869 but removes the part of the post where I call her read fake. She literally hides that part of the post from view. It's visible to all, but she doesn't want to acknowledge it, because she's arguing that I never called her read fake until AFTER she called out a made-up contradiction.

my gut feeling is tell me if we lynch NSG today and it's a mislynch to votepark you tomorrow.

this interaction looks bad for profii, but it’s not necessarily something i am going to want to look to far into because scum could easily frame profii with the shosh kill.

NSG, I said the read is fabricated. Do you understand the meaning of the word "bullshit"?

you specifically said that it was fake after i pointed out the contradiction in your thought process

your original post was this:

NSG saying that I'm scummy because of content is bullshit. My content is fine. She suspects me because I'm not around, period.

i feel as if the important part to focus on here is the "she suspects me because i'm not around, period"

that comment doesn't make sense to make about someone who you believe is scum.

NSG points out the important part out of what was said in the 2nd bit so I think it’s fair to assume that’s the point she was mainly trying to convey which still relates to my previous posts about content

The whole thing hinges on this because in the first bit you are focusing on bullshit as the operative word
In 1898, I tell NSG that my original post said her read was fake.

In 1900, NSG responds to 1898 by saying that's not true. As evidence, she quotes 1869 as my original post but leaves out the part of 1869 where I call her read fake.

Do you understand what misrepresentation is? Do you know what it looks like?

You misrepresent something by emphasizing one part of something said while ignoring another part of what someone said. Emphasize some pieces of information. Downplay or ignore others. That's how misrepresentation works.

What is NSG doing here? She argues that 1869 didn't call her read fake. To make that argument, she quotes part of 1869, while ignoring the part of 1869 that calls her read fake.

This is the definition of misrepresentation. The way you're interpreting this doesn't make any sense. It's like you're assuming NSG is town and can't possibly be misrepresenting me intentionally, so you're going into this convoluted nonsensical explanation about how what she's saying makes sense when it really doesn'

t.

i have honestly felt this way with profii so many times it is absurd. he seemingly misreps every other post i make.

can maria and profii just be scum together? because they are both scummy individually.

[stungun0404]

Like, wtf how are you this dumb?

enough now


With mere hours to go I think the important thing is I’m ok with what NSG did and don’t really think it’s a malicious mis rep

You obviously do

We are just going round in circles

You aren’t really being scum read and I am so all this mess is likely to get people to panic vote me given no other viable options so sorry for causing a mislynch town people

I’ll be watching - will vote

Shoshin/Creature

/Nico

wait, why nico last day phase, but now suddenly she is locktown to you just off self-metaingñ

when you said d1 to me, close to verbatim, “meta is nonsense” when i self-meta’d myself.

[stungun0404]

Stun

I take it you are pushing Nico + {me/Maria}

Why is Koki town

sadly, i can’t really explain this in depth, so take that as you may. my gut, however, has been urging me to view kokichi as town. here’s an idea: maybe i should commit to rereading the thread and see if i can come out with a stronger townread? koki is my biggest lean atm, but there’s is nothing i can seriously attach to that other than his scum games that i meta’d showing that he is more aggressive as scum, which he used to defend himself earlier and did in fact turn out to be true when i looked thru his meta.



i’ve honestly had trouble sorting all 4 of kokichi, maria, you and nico this entire game, and that is immensely frustrating when you find you are in mylo with that pair, and you mislynched another player you have trouble reading and have always been wrong with — creature.

[stungun0404]

somebody here is boss at manipulating for real

one of kokichi or profii pretty much is scum by my assessment

; i can fully eval profii and gif though tomorrow and finish kokichi. it would be optimal, however, if i could case it on my computer as opposed to my tablet, so thus why i will wait roughly 15-ish hours

just throwing out some ideas that seemed plausible to me; profii you do have a point with 782, but i don’t think it is a post that conclusively rules you two out from being partners, just makes it a bit less plausible

i had not even addressed that post - which shows i had not considered the entire thread yet for kokichi, profii, or gif.

so in-depth cases for those three coming tomorrow!

why did i stop following these trains of thoughts?

i’m pretty easy for scum to distract, aren’t i?

nico hasn’t really “distracted” me i wouldn’t say

so if i go by who has potentially been distracting me, that would leave koki, maria, and profii.

koki and maria? i need to find reason to town either of these if i am going to move forward.

[stungun0404]

profii, from your perspective, it should be crystal clear if you are town then maria is scum

in that case, look at all that lynchbait she’s consistently been after in you, creature, aronis, and nico if nico is town.

i’d like to know why you’re primary focus has not been on maria.

@maria: the thing that concerns me is kokichi and you have also locktowned each other that same point. this is making it hard to parse out who is town, and a locktown read on you in specific has made my stomach churn more than anyone else which is making me think you are scum, because of some unlikely theories that with hindsight seem scummy that gif promoted d1, and the way some of your reads have progressed in a way that reads unnatural.

[stungun0404]

*your

[stungun0404]

^ NSG this is what I mean by stun over thinking.

no, this is not me overthinking by any means regarding maria.

i have a good track record when it comes to identifying what townreads make my stomach churn. if i can’t see the reasoning someone is locktowning someone and it makes me feel unsettled, what has tended to result is that player flipping scum. so i’m following what has helped me towards multiple scum lynchwagons in the past.

i really can’t see why anyone is townreading maria. rc reads aside, which really anyone can fake about their partner. i’d be lying if i said i wouldn’t do that if i were scum. thought processes are more important though.

both maria and profii are scummy in that regard, though.

but regarding profii, eh, there’s been some things he’s done that i could see as legitimately towny. i don’t find myself feeling that way about maria :-/

[stungun0404]

Rc wants you all to wait.

what are waiting on exactly? because if we wait too long, that’s anti town wincon at this point because it encourages a last minute panic lynch, so thus we shall not wait to produce content but perhaps wait on voting.

if people could bold intent votes right now, that would be really helpful.

intent to vote maria

[stungun0404]

* we waiting on

we sincerely do not want a last minute panic lynch given the last two day phases and how they have both settled on town

[stungun0404]

@koki

My whole point is the last quote

Nico has purposely not pushed back to present us with her town meta

Pushing back IS her town meta

It’s either you and Maria which doesn’t seem to fit but Maria is way scummy

Or it’s Nico and Stun which fits better in my mind but Stun comes and goes as scum

I don’t know which side of the fence to vote- I feel like if I voted nico or Maria I’m putting the result of the game into a total guess

what. you just said nico was locktown to you? lol. what changed?

[stungun0404]

and i think i asked you why nico was locktown to you iirc

OK, so here’s the deal. I have been distracted by this enough now, and I am done being distracted by this in this game. I am not going to worry about a pre-flip associatives unless they are absolutely blatant, because the goal right now given we’re in MYLO is to find a

SINGLE

scum member. Not two. Especially with a player like NicoRobin left this game that makes it hard to deduce anything certain there atm. We need to lynch one scum member right now, not two. Let’s worry about catching one.

[stungun0404]

i’m going to look into the progression of his reads real quick to see if i can genuinely see how town would reach all the conclusion changes he has made

because changing reads alone isn’t scummy

but the way in which they happen can be

[stungun0404]

brb checking scum pt

[stungun0404]

@koki: there are far more town markers from profii fmpov then from maria, they all pretty much involve things i don’t see scum doing. i don’t see scum vacillating every single one of their reads so often in a game like this, because that is hard to fake, unless he just purposely playing scummy as scum. his progressions seem like they could be off-the-mark town, especially in conjunction with the ones that maria has made. like, we need to establish a townclear that is firmly founded for maria for me to see that profii has been playing this way intentionally as scum this whole game.

why is he gunning after me of all players if he is scum right now and i am town? i am probably the hardest to lynch between all of the other 4, all things considered. this does not make sense.

what am i doing that's making you annoyed? i was just asking why this information doesn't seem to factor in at all for you.

i'm also interested to hear what your kokichi read is now

Nico has done jack shit and doesn't deserve to win and could be scum and I want to vote there but I could be bias so I'm waiting for RC

I get this feeling too ngl

realize that maria completely dodged nsg’s question here about her read on koki. that’s not very towny in mylo.

notice how she voted you last day phase for reasons you felt town her would never come to. that’s a good scum signal!

notice how maria has been referring to rc in like literally half her posts. who keeps up with their partner THAT much?

notice how none of scum pushes have seemed genuine and have instead seemed feigned. and notice how she would be primarily going after lynchbait if she is indeed scum. going for the low hanging fruit

who goes for the nk night 1? i don’t think a profii scum team makes sense there. therefore, if you are town it makes sense maria and nico together are scum.

notice how she has been urging me on to lynchwagons only to back off of them herself because of rc...

notice how she has been dodging so many of the questions i have asked this day phase. why do this as town in MYLO. seems like an excuse to try to survive by not scumtelling much to me.

notice how she took the very first opportunity to a question i asked yesterday of “who here is town”, to say i am! when no one else acted in such a way. if that isn’t lamist-y, idk what is.

notice how feigned her push on creature seemed yesterday, gemini even thought it was odd how she typed it in all caps. it just seemed fake

notice how it doesn’t seem like she has been sorting so much as pocketing, that’s how i feel rn

[stungun0404]

another point of support: i think rc would be done with this game if he was town and switched out of it for the other if it had anything to do with disliking the state of playing with profii and i. why did he keep up with this game to this extent? it’s not making much sense, unless maria needs help with her scumgame.

cause he said he was blacklisting both of us.

[stungun0404]

and lol, is this just you posting to look productive, but not actually doing anything?

[stungun0404]

VOTE: MariaR, i’ve been leaning this way for awhile in my head so it’s time to lock this sucker in

[stungun0404]

If you have a question you can ask it. If I want to avoid a question I'll say so. But I can really care less at this point as I said before. I haven't had a read wrong yet this game so I'm fine with how this game is going out. I also called this and I'll have screenshots for it post game of me saying "stuns gonna ml us in lylo"

unless maria needs help with her scumgame.

Ask anyone I have one of the best scum games on site period

so does rc. that’s the problem. would explain why you have skated by so easily

i think creature was starting to pick up on you, so you wanted ensure there would be a mislynch there

[stungun0404]

brb checking scum pt

Anyway
Slip or na? Hm

If you have a question you can ask it. If I want to avoid a question I'll say so. But I can really care less at this point as I said before. I haven't had a read wrong yet this game so I'm fine with how this game is going out. I also called this and I'll have screenshots for it post game of me saying "stuns gonna ml us in lylo"

if you have not had a wrong read, why did you push both aronis and creature? this is false

[stungun0404]

*yawn* if you're lynching me out of fear because I'm that good at scum you can just say so.
Anyway I'm gonna assume you slipped
VOTE: Stun
Pedit: Deadline. Lynches.

YES just what i was looking for!

reaction test FAILED.

i was reading a scum pt from one of your other games, lol. this slip was intentional as a reaction test to see who bit it

the fact that you are interpreting it as a slip in spite of saying earlier in the day you would never lynch me is hella scummy.

[stungun0404]

*yawn* if you're lynching me out of fear because I'm that good at scum you can just say so.
Anyway I'm gonna assume you slipped
VOTE: Stun
Pedit: Deadline. Lynches.

YES just what i was looking for!

reaction test FAILED.

i was reading a scum pt from one of your other games, lol. this slip was intentional as a reaction test to see who bit it

the fact that you are interpreting it as a slip in spite of saying earlier in the day you would never lynch me is hella scummy.

The slip isn't why I voted you. I have no choice but to vote you.

lol, you have no choice

and yet there are three other players—two of which you supposably think are scum, pro and nico. why then are you going for my wagon just because i vote you in mylo?

[stungun0404]

pro and nico are like easy lynchbait too if they are both town

[stungun0404]

realize that maria completely dodged nsg’s question here about her read on koki. that’s not very towny in mylo.

notice how she voted you last day phase for reasons you felt town her would never come to. that’s a good scum signal!

notice how maria has been referring to rc in like literally half her posts. who keeps up with their partner THAT much?

notice how none of scum pushes have seemed genuine and have instead seemed feigned. and notice how she would be primarily going after lynchbait if she is indeed scum. going for the low hanging fruit

who goes for the nk night 1? i don’t think a profii scum team makes sense there. therefore, if you are town it makes sense maria and nico together are scum.

notice how she has been urging me on to lynchwagons only to back off of them herself because of rc...

notice how she has been dodging so many of the questions i have asked this day phase. why do this as town in MYLO. seems like an excuse to try to survive by not scumtelling much to me.

notice how she took the very first opportunity to a question i asked yesterday of “who here is town”, to say i am! when no one else acted in such a way. if that isn’t lamist-y, idk what is.

notice how feigned her push on creature seemed yesterday, gemini even thought it was odd how she typed it in all caps. it just seemed fake

notice how it doesn’t seem like she has been sorting so much as pocketing, that’s how i feel rn

1) Didn't dodge a question
2) Who did I vote? Kokichi? Big deal he's town
3) Wow I'm scum for going with the theme of the game because my partner cares about the game unlike yours...yikes
4) Quotes are a wonderful thing instead of buzz words.
5) I've never nk once and I wouldn't start here because Nsg was the obv jk who we defended all game
6) Strange because I'm the one who's been voting all day phase?
7) You haven't asked me anything besides 1 question about why I got off pro
8) Because I am town.
9) I never wanted creature lynched. You guys got him deadline lynched good try though.
9) Refer to 4

1). you didn’t answer it. fmpov, that’s dodging
2). saying he’s town is easy, so convince me you are not pocketing him by supporting it
3). excuse me, gemini cares, i have referred to her in quite a few of my posts having discussed things with her. the primary difference is i have involved her thought processes, you have not included rc’s thought processes which can be easily faked.
4). ok? but where have you used quotes in your scumhunting recently? i have not seen much of that off memory.
5). you mean no-nk’d? we can’t forget the friends element here, so we’d have to account for rc too. you could be using that nsg jk excuse as an attempt to townclear yourself because you would obviously not shoot her, right?
6). except, you voted nico and then hopped right off because of rc and never once voted again until you voted me reactionarily here? i thought you cared about waiting for rc before voting.
7). i have asked you several things you didn’t answer, and i will go back and find them
8). easy to say, easy to fake.
9). you did too, you jumped on that supposed scum claim of his in a way that was sketchy, as though you dropped everything and thought in that moment “oh creature’s scum”. why are you jumping on me suddenly in a similar fashion to how you jumped on creature? that looks sketchy with me knowing that i myself am town

[stungun0404]

Idk why I’m lynchbait

Stun asked if I get mislynched much- I’d never really thought about it but the stats say no

Also when I’m town I just blurt out whatever I think rn I don’t care about stuff like consistent progressions etc which is why we are here but it’s a town tell of mine - im more considered as scum


But yeah I’m waiting for nico

in this game, you would be if you are indeed town. d1 indicates that very evidently

[stungun0404]

Also pro said he was sheeping whoever I was voting. And then flipped to !me scum so it all lines up but blah blah blah. When you're me you're used to being ML.

wait, so you want profii to sheep you on me?

[stungun0404]

Stun was sadly scums biggest factor to winning. That's either a really really good thing or a really really bad thing for him. I can't tell yet.

this assumes profii has also not poorly contributed. he has continuously driven in the wrong direction

hey, at least i townread aronis and shoshin and nsg, but no aronis was lynched to my dismay and shoshin was nk’d last night

so why are you jumping to that conclusion suddenly, lol?

[stungun0404]

plus, we lose as a faction, there is no lvp

if nobody can town things up, that’s town’s collective fault.

[stungun0404]

tbf, i’m not really trying as hard as i could be because of college.

which speaking of i need to get back to

[stungun0404]

i’ll unvote you maria conditionally

can you meta both profii and flavor leaf and look to see if they have ever no killed? that kind of effort at this point would be extraordinary

[stungun0404]

this player list is the hardest player list i have ever had to sort in a micro just to find scum, far and away

[stungun0404]

like, i’m not convinced profii’s scum, i’m not convinced kokichi’s scum, i’m not convinced nico’s scum and i am half convinced maria is scum

[stungun0404]

i don’t get how someone can just look at this player list and have scum supposably down on d1

[stungun0404]

i wish to god right now shoshin would have stayed with me on profii d1 and we had lynched there, rather than getting distracted by having aronis claim

i really sensed aronis was flipping town. never again am i ever budging on someone i feel is going to flip town by joining their wagon

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Profii

sorry, but i’d rather lose this game to scum!maria than scum!profii. i would kick myself so many times if you flip scum and i ended my tunnel on you from d2 forward like i did

[stungun0404]

profii, i think it’s generally bad if a player is town to encourage other players or make them take a certain position on your wagon. your wagon should be used for info purposes, and should therefore not be constrained

regardless of a player’s alignment is, idk what the real point of that is?

i want to reread d1, but am trusting right now my start of d2 instincts were right, and that profii is indeed scum — although i really would not be shocked if it’s maria.

[stungun0404]

Because there was guaranteed to be insurance against me getting N1ed.

why?

maria, why did rc say d1 there was guaranteed to be insurance against him getting n1’ed? gonna need an answer here, with being vt there is no insurance there. only scum would have that protection

[stungun0404]

opens the game by making a not specific game alignment indicative reason for selecting this game, which suggests that he's trying to conceal that there is one such reason for selecting this game.

Why'd you choose this game?

Because there was guaranteed to be insurance against me getting N1ed.

to be clear, this is the exchange that happened there.

[stungun0404]

@kokichi, are you town this game?

I've got a really good idea! let's lynch them and find out!!!!

Ego

have to wait something interesting happen yet

If this guy doesn't town tell within the first 10 pages we lynch him

UNVOTE: Profii

right now my gut is telling me profii is not scum, and that maria and kokichi are both scum. why? i remember at an earlier stage noticing a change of tone in kokichi’s play between this game and the town games i have played with him wherein he has been super cautious on the whole in this game, except when he was a burgeoning lynchwagon. at the time, i said that was only town if kokichi is the jk, and seeing that kokichi is not the jk that raises the probability of a scumflip there because i don’t see this being the same vanilla town kokichi i have seen in two other games. in those vanilla townie games, he was WAY more aggressive with his votes than he has been here.

maria otoh has been super unproductive for MYLO, told us to wait on RC, and RC has still brought nothing as far as thoughts into the thread. what are we waiting for, then?

games with kokichi i am referring to are heroes wanted which just finished, and fallout mafia where i was scum.

@kokichi, are you town this game?

I've got a really good idea! let's lynch them and find out!!!!

i’m gonna hate not subscribing to this plan if kokichi!scum exists in this game; literally just needed my vote and aronis’s

Ego

have to wait something interesting happen yet

If this guy doesn't town tell within the first 10 pages we lynch him

we lynched him anyway, so nice setup i guess?

[stungun0404]

If you were scum, you'd know I was town.

You joined me on Kokichi, so I'm looking to see if that's part of a scum agenda to make me like you or just a townie who felt the same as me. Then you start saying misinterpreting (intentionally or unintentionally) in a way that shows you're not buddying me, so I know you weren't voting Kokichi to buddy me. And that means you're not playing with a scum agenda and you're thinking similar things as me about the game.

So, you're town.

rereading over d1 right now to be sure i know what lynch i want

[stungun0404]

that shoshin quote was accidental lol

[stungun0404]

i’m interested in particular about what happened surrounding both lynches, so my attention is going to the pages right before the lynches came to fruition, and the reactions afterwards.

1130 reads like filler from Maria

1134 @Maria: how come you say nico picks scum over town “10>1” times to you at this stage in the game, but you have completely neglected that this day phase when we are trying to find 1 scum. are you and nico partners, and this just distancing? maria and nico would make a lot of sense to me, actually, because it would explain why i am getting so confused this day phase. kokichi is hard to read naturally for me anyway, and profii doesn’t seem that easy to read either for me.

1136: maria: we now know all of creature, aronis, and nsg are town. therefore if you included a scum partner in that pool of frustration, it would obviously be nico by PoE, so i’ll just have to mention that. scum is

usually

, but obviously not always, disinclined from not including any partners in a large pool of blame, and this is 4 players here out of 9 you are focusing on, therefore decently large.

1137: creature clearly felt unsettled by RC supposably “townreading” (in quotes cause we cannot prove this is true) him per maria at that stage in the game.

1140: complete misrep from rc/maria, which i do not like. sure, aronis never voted profii, but you say neither of them have voted each other and thus are the scum team because they have talked about so much, completely neglecting that early on Profii put Aronis at L-2

here i will even quote it

RC thinks the scum team is aro/proi and that

they've been calling each other scum all game but never voting each other

and honestly I'd do the same with my partner but art is the biggest null read. I would lynch it I would also lynch Proii but Nico is a great lynch to me too I think I want to lynch in that pool of 3 of Nico/pro/art I trust RC and that's a weak reason but I suppose I can try and look myself a bit more closely if I go in the isos with a team of pro/art in mind
Pedit: What?
Pedit2: RC says North had a burst of activity mid game that seems hard to fake for scum her. I wasn't around so I don't know if that's true or not

this push looks very bad to me when this below happened, and in a very clear/simple post

plus you were voting nico and maybe setting up to join either the aronis or profii lynch

VOTE: aronis
L-2

how can both of you miss this if you guys are both carefully reading the thread, like you say rc has been? town should have no intent to misrep over players not voting each other, and thus being a scum team, so why weren’t both of you careful enough in making this statement if you are town rather than upholding it like that?

[stungun0404]

*not careful enough

[stungun0404]

that won’t be how this is going to go down. you’ll have to engage with my posts directly and let me see where you are coming from. i am not afraid of these scare tactics that “uh oh, stun is going to lose this game for town” because it is very lamist-y and honestly devalues your own ability to argue yourself out of this situation if you are indeed town, instead of staying in it.

i think you are fully capable if town of arguing your way out of this and not just placing all the pressure on me directly. it’s your job to convince me you are town, but you have not yet.

[stungun0404]

i’m not done, you are not pushing me to rush my decision, because when i rush is usually when i make mistakes, so stop prodding me on please

[stungun0404]

On the wagon with the 2 other in my Poe gives me pause but I agree with creature

i kinda like this reaction from maria, because it seems like it very well could be self-aware town

and also prof’s vote of aronis in 1152 looks worse to me than maria’s the post before

profii and maria both have scummy moments and towny moments, so i will continue searching until i find that one post that separates them, if it exists in this thread

[stungun0404]

this is a horrible progression from profii

i ask him for reads in case he is lynched,

but just to humour you

We have the inactives:

NSG
Nico

with no content it's pretty impossible to say anything about this apart from speculation. People are claiming that Nico has town meta for doing this and I know NSG isnt the most active player. It's NAI and if either of them are scum they suck because they ruin the game for those trying to play - especially as the wagons are just going round the active players.


then we have the semi-actives

Shoshin
Koki
Aronis
Creature

Shoshin, could easily be scummy flying under the radar, sees the game very differently from me, but i have never played with her so idk. one to keep an eye on for later
Koki isn't doing anything alarming, probably town

Aronis is scummy, likely with Maria

Creature is also scummy, but not entirely sure where the link is - also note here his partner has flipped town already. Probably the most scummy in this group right now

then the more active dudes
me - town
you
Maria



i am struggling to sort you stun, because i have seen people who i have thought are just daft and misguided flip scum
GIF was scummy but Maria seems ok ish



the weird thing in this game is the wagon is working its way round the more active players so there is almost certainly scum in here, which is good for the non-actives i think

so I'd say the highest chances of scum are aronis and creature rn

VOTE: creature

you say aronis is likely scum with maria, or so i interpret it
you find shoshin and creature also scummy, both of which are now proven town
but aronis and creature highest chance to flip scum

and why jailkeep aronis with profii scumflip?

notice also how aronis is not helping us lynch profii here. but profii is helping us lynch aronis. from that, it can be deduced one is scum trying to survive with a mislynch (survivalism) and the other is town not too convinced on the scumminess of anyone and is kind of resigned to being lynched.

wow

wow

wow

you are trying to feed the group that we are a scum team

you are trying to say mafia theory says JK should cop a solo remaining mafia

yet when i flip scum, we dont cop aronis, despite you pointing out we are somehow scum link and a JK becomes a cop

BECAUSE YOU KNOW IM GOING TO FLIP TOWN OMG SCUM LOL

VOTE: stungun

very next post you turn around and vote me, completely misinterpreting what i say. i pointed out aronis was town, and you scum. i don’t see how town interprets that i had you guys as a scum team from that post; scum would rather react to this in that way. i very clearly said one is scum and the other is town.

[stungun0404]

Besides the votes on me were horrible. Profii's flipped his vote between three different people multiple times in the past few hours. Profii and Creature are both just trying to avoid getting lynched and kill anyone possible. They don't have any legitimate reasons for voting me

Nico over here has made 17 posts. Their play is horrible and incredibly anti-town. The mod has double the posts Nico does and everyone else's slot has minimally three times more. Nico is sitting over here telling you that lurking is a town behavior- I think we all know that's dumb.

Then to top it off when I call them out for being hands down the worst player in the game, they pretty much OMGUS vote me because they're offended or something dumb.

MariaR's vote was the only one I took moderately seriously and even then it wasn't great. The wagon on me was an absolute joke and one I have no intentions of caring about

let’s not dismiss this given it came from flipped town

let’s not get distracted over aronis when that happened, pardon

@aronis, what are your current gamereads on everyone?

You're town. Kokichi, shoshin, and mariaR I'm fine with not killing today

The rest of the people can die because they're some combination of dumb, useless, and/or scum

nor this — i guess he thought maria and koki were kinda town, which would leave profii and nico alone. he very clearly thought i was town i recall

his main PoE pool would have been at the time: creature, profii, nicorobin, nsg. meaning he probably would be finding profii and nico scummiest today

let’s not get distracted over aronis when that happened, pardon

@aronis, what are your current gamereads on everyone?

You're town. Kokichi, shoshin, and mariaR I'm fine with not killing today

The rest of the people can die because they're some combination of dumb, useless, and/or scum

lol. if you had to pick just 2 scum, who you picking?

Creature would be my last pick out of those four. I might go with nico+profii cause NSG has been barely better than them

aronis thinks nico and profii, thinking creature is towniest among them, which might be a sign that aronis was on to the scum team(?) if it is nico and profii given creature flipped town. would explain why both profii and nico voteparked there.

[stungun0404]

Stungun is probably scum with Aronis for me at this point. I read his ISO

The majority of page 1 is him leaning town or not being sure on Aronis, then suddenly he puts him at L-2 and just wants as flip - but quickly gets onto me and tunnels from there.

At this point, if you really do want a flip, and I suggest there is a point where we all do with a mere 4 hours to go... you can get it, but you are finding every reason not to vote Aronis rn.

funny how things turn out.

you recognize at this point d1 that i am finding every reason not to vote aronis (because obviously —> i thought he was town), but you have neglected this and from what i recall completely flipped the script this day phase against me in that i made the hammer vote on aronis and also voted creature to still find reason to find me scummy on a very shallow look into all the votes each player has made.

now you have me as your second biggest townread after nsg today. what kind of inconsistency is this? scummy one fmpov.

[stungun0404]

so

if aronis flips town what does it tell us

stungun has flirted with the idea of the lynch but never really followed through - he has also said he does not bus as scum. = 2 major concerns.

he is pushing me hard, if I go through, he is in a position of pretty much mistaken town leader and will have some explaining to do.
im not bothered enough to meta dive and see how/if stun tunnels a slot then backs out after the mislynch as scum or whatever - as that's not something Ill be around to deal with but if I do get lynched, I suggest that's where the more diligent among you go.

but if he is town!stun and he is just tunnelling me, I guess he is just one of those people who pays far too much attention to 'mafia theory' - e.g. I said aronis is a scum players dream - that implies 'if aronis is actually town, because he is coming across very scummy, the reason he might be coming across scummy, is because he is scum, which is far more probable'

seems you knew this flip would be town, you didn’t consider the contrary of if aronis flipped scum except that i was the necessary partner. so regardless, this likes you were trying to paint it so that i looked bad after aronis flip.

you are doubt casting players over me at every turn

A) I said I try to go with other people’s povs to try and elicit their reads. It doesn’t mean I know X is town it means I want to hear more from you now

so we can catch you later

- you have refused to do so on multiple occasions
B) see A plus I don’t think I’ve given a strong town read on NSG - my whole stance is that I know she is not super active so better to sort elsewhere
C) see A, the last bit particularly
D) how can I stick up for anyone if I don’t know anyone’s alignment - if I’m doubtcasting and it’s scummy then right back at ya - you make no effort to understand what I am saying and manipulate everything to suit your tunnel

you say a as though i am scum and cannot be town
for d, you can stick up for your townreads, obviously.

OMGUS isn’t AI it’s just a stupid thing people have made an acronym out of - I voted you in a rage because you’re constant spin on what I do is annoying - doesn’t make it scummy. It’s just using your vote to make a point

He didn’t town anything up so that is just plain scummy

I agree about the l-1 comment - people get upset about jokes way too easy in this game

But jokes are usually not AI

The only saving grace is you are hard defending Aronis to try and send people my way at this late stage - you are manipulating at every turn to get people into me

If we had more time I’d be advocating for your lynch

I’m almost going to self vote to ensure we get a lynch, prove you wrong so a) this 1v1 ceases and b) people become highly suspect of you day 2

If it was a bigger game I would but worst case scenario is 2 mislynches and we lose

first bold refers to aronis: just because he did not town things up does not make him scummy. that is a very poor interpretation

it wouldn’t be a saving grace from your vantage point if you are town and thought aronis was scum because you are voting him and i am hard defending him. idk how you interpret this as town as being a saving grace for me when i am all about your lynchwagon

[stungun0404]

i have a very obvious conclusion right now: profii is scum, i am voteparking there and never moving this day phase.

And if it does you in jail tonight boy

you would choose me: because you think i am town, or because you think i am scum? and i might be that jk, we’ll see

i mean if aronis flips town, anyways

would really like to know more of your thought process there

“And if it does”

Does = you go to jail IF ARONIS IS SCUM


If it’s a town flip, totally different approach

Read properly man

lol. i’d definitely suggest digging deeper than that because i have never hard-defended a scumpartner. doing so d1 would be insane coming from me imo. the seemingly obvious choice at first sight is not usually the right one; i learned this mistake myself recently from mislynching town who hard defended scum

Meta is stupid - play this game not every other one you’ve been in

discredits me using my own meta to support myself, though he has done it himself, and he did no such thing when nico repeatedly did it to protect herself against aronis, nor did not discredit shoshin using his meta to interpret him as scum, and in fact gave her “the biggest town badge” at the time for it, then turned around and found her scummy later in the day phase and held that stance through d2.

why is he concerned about discrediting my meta at that stage if he is town given we were getting an aronis flip no matter what, but he would not discredit nico’s too? this draws me to the very obvious conclusion that a nico and profii pairing makes sense, especially given that he considered nico’s scum style as lurking in 692 to defend her when i voted her.

and nico would be scum given that lurking tendency from his vantage point, right, lol? but no he’s defending her because...? i’ll wait for it

[stungun0404]

[post]1365[/vote] just sealed the deal. i noticed something there i have been looking for this entire game that is scummy. profii introduces a very improbable stance in saying that “profii v. stun is lol let’s just kill an inactive”. thus, he is favoring possibility over probability, a scum tendency that is 2/2 for me at correctly catching scum so far!

this is highly highly improbable because a). only an inexperienced scum team would kill an inactive in a game like this where so many inactive town have checked and gave little contribution. b). this hints that scum is not going for the jk.
c). shoshin was an obvious active other kill choice if not targeting the jk in this instance, given how widely she was townread and also it was not possible she was jk or else she would not have been fishing for aronis’s claim, and she was townread most of all by rc/maria and i. shoshin was not getting lynched here, ever. and d). he makes an excuse for us both to survive before the night phase starts, why is town trying to explain how the night phase will end up before it even happens? finally e). he attacked maria earlier with a vote and said it was antitown to have her claim, but then he outs that he thinks it is very unlikely i am jk. if town, why does he ever let scum know before night 1 that he thinks it is unlikely i am JK, that statement can obviously only benefit scum, so withhold it at all costs.

he even gave a response to sth i asked him this day phase saying he thought i was likely jk d1 with the post he had not explain saying to shoshin “Have a reason. it’s antitown to reveal.” so why was it suddenly unlikely to him I was JK given he had concluded such earlier in the day phase, given as town he should not have been primarily hunting for the JK.

profii!scum could have thought the JK might out themselves after a no kill night 1, which would make perfect sense if they jailed someone.

also, the fact that profii has only once been mislynched as town, and it was in LYLO is a good indication he’s scum because of how close he was to it d1, i don’t think town profii would then be so consistently scummy given his track record there.

[stungun0404]

1365

that is it for now, i’m confident i want profii lynched, but will allow him to respond

i will take a break and probably return in a few days.

[stungun0404]

meh, i have something substantial enough to contribute here.

@nsg, if you have found nothing i have done to have been that much of a towntell, then why not ever question any of the flipped town’s townreads on me? all aronis, shoshin, and creature had unqualified townreads on me from what i recall. heck, even aronis and creature both sheeped me on a read, and i terribly regret allowing myself to be convinced lynching either of them honestly, and especially for taking a leading role on the creature mislynch (though tbf, he made a few comments that were exactly like the ones i seen him make in his heroes wanted game which just finished and was his scum game, and that scumpinged me hard).

from my vantage point, one of profii, koki, or nico absolutely has to be scum.

creature did not have that many strong reads in this game. all three flipped town suspected profii at one point, though creature would be of course the one that did so the least.

both aronis and shoshin strongly scumread profii. shoshin questioned townreads on profii 5 times in this thread, and never once got a convincing enough answer to not votepark there, that should tell you she felt strongly about that. she was the only absolutely unwavering vote on profii’s wagon, so it would make sense for profii!scum to kill her in my mind.

especially when 4 votes are then needed to lynch profii,

and nico has always said profii is town (her only townread), gif townread profii early on but maria finds him scummy but still has moved off his wagon,

you - nsg have townread him for reasons i don’t quite understand outside of the nk. neither did shoshin when i looked thru her iso, so can you elaborate more there please?

and kokichi only voted profii in last minute panic last day phase.

with 3 votes that have never truly been on profii out of 6, there’s a lower chance he gets lynched with the shoshin kill, because nobody outside of shoshin has constantly remained on him

[stungun0404]

absolutely, even though my reads have varied wildly today, much like creature’s did when he was in the game, at the moment from most willing to least willing to lynch it’s

profii, by quite a bit
kokichi
maria
nico —> to be fair, the fact that she’s the only player that has not casted an angle thinking i might be scum and we’re in MYLO kinda seems town suggestive to me.
nsg/stun

still, kokichi if you are scum, props to you i can tell you i think you have far and away played the best game among all of the 4 remaining slots in that situation.

[stungun0404]

yay, we are going to see kokichi’s partner’s flip here in a moment, whichis just the one i wanted for this game since it was revealed d1 gamma got first choice over koki

should give us some info to work with for sure

[stungun0404]

@koki: yes, that’s where i am leaning atm.

looking at things, shoshin had a

very

strong townread on maria, therefore if we trust shoshin is accurate with her strong townreads, then it’s a good bet maria is town. she went so far as to say she would never lynch maria.

overall, it seemed like both creature and shoshin were relatively toward nulltown on kokichi. aronis said he didn’t want to shoot kokichi, so maybe slight town there.

nicorobin was in the scumpool of both aronis and creature. that’s concerning :-X
but i don’t think nico was really anywhere in shoshin’s

all three players expressed serious concerns about profii.

[stungun0404]

stungun0404 (3): profii, GirlInFreezer, Shoshin

Yah, get off

creature must have felt quite strongly about me being town btw nsg to make this comment. if you trust his reads, you should therefore trust this one along with the fact that he never once considered me as scum to my memory, even after i scumread him.

[stungun0404]

Looks like NSG is gone again. :/

i’m disappointed by townplay in general here, and yes i’ll absolutely include myself in that mix

shoshin was obvtown. nsg looked like obvtown to me. but everyone else has done super scummy things, and some town things that can just as easily be brushed off as scummy things, so it makes it very hard to discern who here is town

[stungun0404]

if profii is scum actually, nico is pretty much definitely scum

i see anti-associatives with both koki and maria regarding profii

[stungun0404]

gamma flipped vanilla

so koki either got vanilla or scum. that proves a lot!

probably raises the chance of koki!scum because gamma does not like scum as much as town, and kokichi got the pm rejected by gamma

[stungun0404]

#	in this game	not in this game
1	NicoRobin	the worst
2	MariaR GuyInFreezer	RadiantCowbells
3	profii	Flavor Leaf
4	Kokichi Oma	Gamma Emerald
5	Shoshin	Irrelephant11
6	northsidegal	mutantdevle northsidestory
7	stungun0404	geminitwin12
8	Aronis	Prof Fridays
9	Creature	Ircher

geez, can any red flips happen in either game?

NicoRobin —> did not claim, so (?); the worst —> vanilla townie
maria —> claimed vanilla townie; rc —> ?
profii —> claimed vanilla townie; flavor leaf —> ?
Kokichi Oma —> claimed vanilla townie; gamma emerald —> vanilla townie
Shoshin —> vanilla townie; Irrelephant —> ?
northsidegal —> did not claim, so (?); mutantdevle —> ?
stungun0404 —> claimed vanilla townie; geminitwin12 —> ?
Aronis —> vanilla townie; Prof Fridays —> town odd-night watcher
Creature —> vanilla townie; Ircher —> vanilla townie



i’d like to see if anyone can deduce anything from these flips


as if this isn’t panic enough, scum is 2-0 so far in friemds mafia games. i really hope we can steal a victory in one of these 2 games



now i think we’d be smart to await any further flips from the other game before lynching today, but still to try and determine who we want lynched in the meantime.

[stungun0404]

Fight me

K

VOTE: creature

this is the weakest votepark i have seen from a player actually engaging with this game

your votepark on aronis was super weak too

[stungun0404]

Aronis needs to claim.

Meh

VOTE: Aronis

We should lynch Aronis and JK GIF

VOTE: Aronis

Erm

I will do it

VOTE: Aronis

other than your L-2 vote on aronis d1 which was similarly weak, these were your other 2 votes on aronis, and they don’t look very convinced of a scumflip of aronis and yet you are more than happy lynching there, as indicated by how you put him at L-2 twice and L-1 on another occasion. you would think somebody doung that would be pretty convinced someone is scum

[stungun0404]

it depends on who got first choice in every pair too


can everyone claim that, from maria/rc, to nico/tw, to profii/fl? possibly we can use the other game to figure out if anyone is lying between maria/profii

i took first choice over gemini, fwiw.

[stungun0404]

oh yeah, flavor leaf would probably take scum over profii. i think that's one of the reasons i was townreading him.

it's also strange because i would imagine that the ducky would take scum over nicorobin - that being said, i only know the ducky's abilities when it comes to scum, not really his preference. i think maybe he prefers town? don't really remember.

here’s the primary problem there: we can’t completely townread someone on variables regarding the game setup, as people can definitely manipulate that aspect as scum.

so what i am seeing with your townread of profii is it is completely based off game mechanics —> as in profii likely isn’t scum because of the shots/lack of shots that went down, his partner being more likely to take scum. both those are things we cannot prove, and very well can be confbiased off our experiences with a given player. just when you think you know somebody, you don’t. for example, consider player a is really good at scum, but prefers playing as town. then why wouldn’t they take town over scum, and let their partner take the scum role? that’s where the problem lies right now — if the main thing you are townreading him for is game mechanics right now that is not enough when we are sitting in MYLO with a player and that player could have manipulated every single aspect you are looking into;


in fact i think you said early on in this game you have read profii wrong in every game you have been in. if you are reading entirely based off mechanics, what makes this the exception to the rule?

shoshin asked you in specific three times i see about your profii townread and could not see the chain of logic. she is now proven town, so if you believe profii!town you will need more to support it than just strictly game mechanics in MYLO.