micro 816-II: pokemon go (open game) (gambe over)

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:46 pm

In post 3144, stungun0404 wrote:why do i make a push against rc that could potentially hurt the result of the other game if i am not town that genuinely believed rc was scum because of a push he made? that is, if this game had ended first and other players had deduced what went down in the other game, because apparently to rc/maria they would have sniffed it out if they were any other townplayers.

so, essentially what would be the sense behind scum!me pushing something that could only hurt both games in that instance? there is no sense at all

like you’d have to be willing to believe scum!me is willing to risk a). team chemistry, b). get rc coming after me in this game, and c). throw down the house on d1 by hinting at scum team in other game on d1

why would scum me dare even push that d1 unless i really believed rc was scum? especially when it was bound to get “bullshit” reactions like that kokichi gave.

i don’t take that big of risks in scumplay

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:48 pm

do i need to reconsider koki? i just don’t know any more tbch. but i am very much leaning towards you

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:52 pm

In post 3123, MariaR wrote:Pretty sure Nsg knows we're town at this point and just wants us to hammer when if she knows we're town we have auto win but ayyyyyyyyy

you and koki cannot both be town

one of you has very well pocketed the other, and played a damn good scum game in the process

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:55 pm

i am going to give out my very best cases today, so i want time working to my favor, because i know i am town and i want to be that player that nsg can trust and take with her so that town wins no matter what

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:59 pm

maria, how exactly are you conftown in mylo though?

i mean, really? you and rc are both excellent scumplayers

this is unsettling the fuck out of me

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:01 pm

nsg doesn’t have to follow your demands is what i am saying, because she can be tricked into thinking you are town

koki, i really have nothing scummy on you off memory, i just need to reevaluate in light of the profii town flip

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:03 pm

ok, i’ll vote no lynch, but i am not ready for us to hammer that because I want to make scum sweat a bit by questioning who is remaining when i get the chance

maria has actually dodged so many of my question prompts in the past though, which concerns me with that alone more than anything koki has done off memory

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:05 pm

In post 3168, MariaR wrote:Okay Stun we'll walk through this 1 step at a time since you don't seem to get it.
Tell me when you're here and when I explain a step I want you to go "I understand" or stop if you don't get it. Okay?

let’s do it, but i’ll add an argument one by one if there is anything that concerns me that i could see as scummy motive

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:07 pm

is koki more likely to misread maria then maria koki then?

because from my angle that could be super important

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:08 pm

In post 3178, MariaR wrote:
In post 3175, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 3168, MariaR wrote:Okay Stun we'll walk through this 1 step at a time since you don't seem to get it.
Tell me when you're here and when I explain a step I want you to go "I understand" or stop if you don't get it. Okay?
let’s do it, but i’ll add an argument one by one if there is anything that concerns me that i could see as scummy motive
Okay Step 1)
Nsg jailed me last night and said she will be jailing me all the time if we NL
do you understand.

I understand!

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:13 pm

In post 3184, MariaR wrote:
In post 3181, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 3178, MariaR wrote:
In post 3175, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 3168, MariaR wrote:Okay Stun we'll walk through this 1 step at a time since you don't seem to get it.
Tell me when you're here and when I explain a step I want you to go "I understand" or stop if you don't get it. Okay?
let’s do it, but i’ll add an argument one by one if there is anything that concerns me that i could see as scummy motive
Okay Step 1)
Nsg jailed me last night and said she will be jailing me all the time if we NL
do you understand.
I understand!
Step 2)
If I am scum there will obv be no kill every single night. At one point the mod will prob come in and say we must lynch or mafia must kill.
Do you understand

hmm, yes that’s a good point actually

but it relies on nsg’s persistence of you being target no matter what which i don’t remember off the top of my head, and whether you think you could get nsg to townread your slot — which really i don’t think you could, hmm. what this tells me is scum is playing a strong game right now —> because i am starting to see a light for you being town

here

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:14 pm

In post 3189, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stun am I scum yes or no

idek right now

i thought you were town last day phase, but maria is really confusing me towards thinking you might not be right now

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:31 pm

In post 3194, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3191, stungun0404 wrote:because i am starting to see a light for you being town here
convenient

look at the way her prompts are engaging with me and try to absorb the arguments like i am and you will see she is making convincing enough statements to change my perception, like it’s not me just conveniently changing my perspective

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:34 pm

like if maria has to keep getting jailed until mod comes in and says scum must kill or lynch, she has no way of ever ridding of nsg, her one truest threat because nsg does not trust maria

stungun0404 · Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:36 pm

i’m super unfocused tonight and scattered, so just be aware of that

In post 3185, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3179, stungun0404 wrote:is koki more likely to misread maria then maria koki then?

because from my angle that could be super important
unbiasly, I'd say it's about even. Usually when I say she's town she's been town every time except 2 times when she was SK. iirc.

In post 3186, Kokichi Oma wrote:But stun how does that change your read at all?

if it was dominant in one direction with locktown reads, then surely that person is more likely right and the other one is more likely pocketing

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:51 am

^ VOTE: No Lynch

this can be proof of maria!scum perhaps too, which i am still favoring

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:54 am

In post 2148, MariaR wrote:
In post 2147, stungun0404 wrote:koki and nico team
You act like this is impossible

prepping for later?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:54 am

@maria anyway

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:58 am

In post 2412, MariaR wrote:*yawn* if you're lynching me out of fear because I'm that good at scum you can just say so.
Anyway I'm gonna assume you slipped
VOTE: Stun
Pedit: Deadline. Lynches.

In post 2228, MariaR wrote:You think I'm scum with nico?
Let's get on the bus then choo choo
we can jail me I'll power lynch Pro after the jk dies and if we lose with kokichi being scum we can fully pin the blame on you.
Deal?

lol, funny how you backed out on this by unvoting nico because of rc

that is like the basis of why i think you are scum over koki here

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:58 am

how’d that top quote get there? wasn’t supposed to be there

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:00 am

then when koki suggested lynching nico over profii or sth like that, maria scoffed at the idea saying “we are lynching pro no matter what”

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:04 am

i’m consistent with what i thought yesterday,

scum was very likely one of {profii, maria} together with one of {koki, nico}

today i am pretty set in thinking it is maria and nico at this point. there is just enough room for me to think koki is scum here, because on the very off chance he is he has played a hell of a game in this game

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:04 am

*not enough room

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:14 am

In post 1918, Creature wrote:The fact profii and me are still being pushed means town is like stalking their own tail.

You're simply being pocketed with potentially strong scum, like MariaR.

In post 1904, Creature wrote:we gotta find the scum between Kokichi and Nico then

maybe Maria will then be jailed and we'll finally end this game

In post 1893, Creature wrote:There's like a tell where if MariaR is engaged she's scum and when it feels like she doesn't want to play the game she's town.

creature felt especially strong about maria!scum, fwiw, and even had a scum tell for her specific playstyle.

@koki, do you think this is applicable for this game, and if not why wouldn’t it be?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:19 am

right now, 98%, but can you answer my question please? i like to engage people in questions when i want to ascertain something

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:21 am

but, then again, why wouldn’t she change her scum playstyle too? maria’s push on creature was gross with that all caps reaction meant to drive his lynch through imo

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:21 am

In post 3220, Kokichi Oma wrote:If you're so certain I'm town then would you be willing to bet the game on it. Yes or no.

yes, let’s do it!

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:25 am

look no further than rc’s d1 push against creature’s slot

and maria’s d2 push against creature’s slot

they wanted creature gone

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:31 am

In post 711, GirlInFreezer wrote:like no offense creature you're obv obv obv scum so i'm basically just trying to tie ppl to you at this point

trying adamantly to drive that creature lynch thru

In post 603, GirlInFreezer wrote:VOTE: GIF

Not defending profii for any future days and he's a fine Lynch in the small chance of townflip but stungun tomorrow

Creature has to die before endgame as well

Bye Felicias

In post 517, GirlInFreezer wrote:I think it's
very possible
that he got a large confidence boost from his win in transformers and he and
ircher either got double scum
or figured they could get an easy win off of the back of 'HEY CREATURE WOULD NEVER PICK SCUM'

Like I'm not saying he's literally confirmed scum I'm saying that the townreads there are inappropriate given the gamestate

pushing creature/ircher double scum possibility when he knew thru the other game such was not possible

in an effort to “town” gif in the other game? how does that help him anywhere near soon, i don’t see this happening d1 to “town” guyinfreezer

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:33 am

In post 3231, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stun how would you rate your scum game personally

if i’m being completely honest, around a 9/10

my townplay on the other hand, probably a 5/10

difference is i am much more methodical as scum, whereas i post basically whatever comes to mind as town

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:35 am

my biggest strength when i play as scum is always getting townread

i was townread so heavily in my last scum game, lol, and only lost because i did not kill jk night 1, i killed a claimed power role, and because jk was able to town 2 players after my partner was lynched d1

otherwise i would have won that game

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:37 am

like, i get townread right from the get-go

there was none of that this game

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:46 am

In post 3230, Kokichi Oma wrote:Or am I just overthinking.

you are not overthinking, for i am town with you

i do not conclusively rule out scenarios i might use later as scum

like i would not bet the game on you being town, when i would have to make a kill at some point, and i don’t even have a prepared case against you

in fact, my last scum game in fact i heavily townread d1 just like everyone else and was stuck with teacher going into lylo and it was me, him, and conftown b/c of jk in lylo. i really could not push a case against him, even though i tried not to rule out the possibility of him being scum the day before

why would i want to put myself in that situation again? and also throw out a jk strategy that hurt me last game?

if i submitted a kill anyway, like i would have to, that would be confscum indication on your end. why risk that?

same from your end with no lynching. why risk that with town!me

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:47 am

@nsg, did you protect a townread night 2 with your JK use? i want to know who you targeted because if they still remain that would mean they did not submit scum kill that night

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:31 am

In post 1134, MariaR wrote:
Kokichi and Shoshin are my top townreads I've played with Kokichi I know him well enough.
He's town I'm standing by that read. Shoshin has been just openly towny and while I was questionable about a bit of her early game at least I can understand her logic. Those are my 2 tr's.
Let's talk about Stungun. I think stungun is a baby I say that in the nicest way possible I think his reactions are cringe and just painful to read and I think I was taking painful to read as scummy. I'm honestly about to set him as VI

Northside doesn't try as scum in my game she outright sat in the scum pt to sub out because she hated it so much
she's subbed out lurked etc
she does not try and it's awful I don't respect it etc but she's easy to solve

Creature I don't really understand have as a null read but RC is town reading him

Where does that leave us?
Profii who rc is screaming at me to lynch and while I'm prob a little bias because I was looking for scummy things on him because RC already talked on it. I can see him flipping scum but his partner pool is prob one of the smaller ones in the game.

I want to lynch Nico though. Nico picks scum over town 10>1 of the times the lynch is never a bad thing they're not gonna do anything and if they are town I really don't care they're not gonna change the game state or do anything. But if they flip scum that's 1 headache we don't deal with.

VOTE: Nico

omg, such quick pocketing upon coming into the thread with no reason but that “you know him”

you also came right into the thread suspecting me and creature as scum pair, and incidentally turned around and called me VI suddenly. that transition does not look smooth at all with me in hindsight, because you were strongly scumreading me, and then i am suddenly VI!town.

that same catchup post you also suddenly flip on creature, like a post after claiming stungun plus creature scum team. that is weird af.

aha, nico scum out of nowhere with a point that they choose scum 10>1 times that no one else that has played with nico even fathomed. so, you knew nico was scum! that’s what this transition comes off like to me

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:37 am

In post 2632, MariaR wrote:Pro gets jailed if you dare lynch nico first

someone really did not want nico lynched before profii...

In post 2830, MariaR wrote:I hate playing scum
I want to be town
because I've been trying to work on a new playstyle. Kokichi can vouch for me on this

i want to be town implies you are not town and therefore you are scum, so thus it is interesting choice of wording that should be suspicious

In post 2863, MariaR wrote:We've wanted Pro since day 1 why do you find it sus that we want them more than Nico?
*Shrug* You'd need my vote anyway

In post 2864, MariaR wrote:we think that the scumteam is either Profii/Nicorobin or Profi/Stungun and we want the always scum in the group.
Aka Pro

the always scum for you was town. the always scum for me (nico) was scum, so let us just observe that

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:38 am

In post 2863, MariaR wrote:We've wanted Pro since day 1 why do you find it sus that we want them more than Nico?
*Shrug* You'd need my vote anyway

you bussed nico anyway in spite of saying “it’s no lynch or profii” at one point yesterday

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:07 am

read back through my pt with gemini,

and i am ashamed to say rc was my first strong scumread in there and he is still in this game thru maria

that push on creature was awful. it was not possible from his pov for creature and ircher to roll double scum, so why ever push that as “possible” reasoning unless he wants creature mislynched? please think through this. towning guy in freezer is not good enough reasoning, as that is way too quickly to be thinking about that on D1.

it is much more realistic that rc and maria rolled double scum, given guyinfreezer rolled scum, and rc pushed the double scum possibility on creature when he knew ircher was town obviously in the other game — having a scum role in it and ircher being primary mislynch on d1 makes that stick out like a sore thumb— and creature who he was pushing this against was in fact town. so this was an awful, awful scummy move fmpov.

@koki,

@nsg,

i would like both of you to engage with this

please

. why is that push coming from town? when town is supposed to consider probability > possibility, and it was impossible for creature and ircher to roll double scum from GiF’s point of view, so he is pushing an

impossibility

there as a possibility, which is awful.

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:10 am

the scummiest part of it is how he used it to uphold his scumread of creature

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:22 am

nico clearly pocketed profii,

why wouldn’t maria or rc pocket kokichi and use their bond to their scummy advantage?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:34 am

So,

why

am I town?

Posting en masse is something outside my scumrange. It is very clearly within my townrange
I will link every game I have played to date from anywhere, along with stats of post per game.
Here: 841 posts as of this post in 47 game days —> equals about 17.9 posts per game day, so we will round that up to 18 in a micro game where I have nearly double the posts of anyone else remaining; nearly

400

more. If I posted any more than I have maintained, that would be spamming, and it would

indeed

be scummy if these posts weren’t all filled with content, or filled with filler.

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:35 am

oops didn’t mean to submit that, but i’ll continue to work on that case, that was an accident in trying to go to ‘preview’ menu

fuck, i think my one filler post all game comes now

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:20 am

In post 3249, MariaR wrote:When nsg dies you know we're conf town yes stun?

if that happens, absolutely!

that would confscum koki out of nowhere to me.

question is would you deduce koki!scum?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:53 pm

a series of stats for you guys!

843 posts: most i have ever made in a game (this game)

other completed town games with high content: 609 in heroes wanted, 629 in borderlands, 665 in big brother mafia, 538 in god complex mafia, 378 in snowtrapped mafia

scum games of mine with highest number of posts: newbie mafia 121, fallout mafia 96, identity mafia 87, transformers mafia 73

you guys really think i can pull 843 posts here as scum?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:54 pm

maria is pretty much confscum fmpov,

if we want to no lynch we can, but this is clear to me right now for one particular reason

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:58 pm

that reason koki is almost guaranteed town fmpov is it would have been wise to frame me if koki!scum given maria said she would speed lynch me if there was a kill. why wouldn’t koki!scum exploit that for his wincon? it’s a much quicker way to achieve a win than through patience

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:01 pm

one moment: i spent hours on this one post, so i am posting it first. it is not going without being posted given the sacrifices i made to complete it

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:02 pm

worked on this extensive case strictly out of paranoia of the slim chance koki could be scum, that this should rule out any possibility i am scum in that case so I am not wrongly mislynched immediately.

I have played

11

finished town games to date. I have racked up

18

posts per game day (PPGD) or more in

5

of those 11 games. I have been top poster in

2

of them, and in those 2 I thoroughly beat everyone else in posts.

If you include this game, that makes

6

out of 12 I have had 18 PPGD or more in.

Scum games: I have

6 completed

. I have never reached

18

or more PPGD. Closest I have come was a large-theme, multiball, 5 real life days, 3 day phases, Transformers Mafia, where I had around

15

. Closest after that is

9

. That game was similarly multiball, and my first scum game ever. Closest after that is

5

. I have

never

been top poster in any of my scum games. I don’t post filler, even as scum.

The most posts I have ever managed per game day in a scum micro is roughly 5. I have played in 2 micro-sized scum games. I have 3 micro-sized completed town games. Most in a micro town game finished is 10 exactly.

I am linking my

entire

finished meta, outside of marathon games. You can cross-check this if you’d like to confirm.

Spoiler: “i am not scum because...”

So if I am scum this game, I have played tremendously against my meta, including both scum and town posting tendencies, as well as micro-sized scum tendencies.

So, given the tendency to post less and less with successive scum games I have proven, I would not be moved to change that for this game. So why do I contrast my meta/circumstances to date so much in this game as scum?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:03 pm

worked on this extensive case strictly out of paranoia of the slim chance koki could be scum, that this should rule out any possibility i am scum in that case so I am not wrongly mislynched immediately.

I have played

11

finished town games to date. I have racked up

18

posts per game day (PPGD) or more in

5

of those 11 games. I have been top poster in

2

of them, and in those 2 I thoroughly beat everyone else in posts.

If you include this game, that makes

6

out of 12 I have had 18 PPGD or more in.

Scum games: I have

6 completed

. I have never reached

18

or more PPGD. Closest I have come was a large-theme, multiball, 5 real life days, 3 day phases, Transformers Mafia, where I had around

15

. Closest after that is

9

. That game was similarly multiball, and my first scum game ever. Closest after that is

5

. I have

never

been top poster in any of my scum games. I don’t post filler, even as scum.

The most posts I have ever managed per game day in a scum micro is roughly 5. I have played in 2 micro-sized scum games. I have 3 micro-sized completed town games. Most in a micro town game finished is 10 exactly.

I am linking my

entire

finished meta, outside of marathon games. You can cross-check this if you’d like to confirm.

Spoiler: “i am not scum because...”

So if I am scum this game, I have played tremendously against my meta, including both scum and town posting tendencies, as well as micro-sized scum tendencies.

So, given the tendency to post less and less with successive scum games I have proven, I would not be moved to change that for this game. So why do I contrast my meta/circumstances to date so much in this game as scum?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:04 pm

bleh, double posted cause i didn’t see the first go through

now
VOTE: No Lynch

@nsg: PLEASE STAY ON MARIA!

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:05 pm

In post 3270, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3268, stungun0404 wrote:So if I am scum this game, I have played tremendously against my meta, including both scum and town posting tendencies,
Oh hey, Nico. I thought you were lynched already?

i made this after maria last day phase threatened to speed lynch me on the off chance you were scum, because it was still like a 2 percent chance fmpov.

i don’t like at all how you are dismissing this case

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:06 pm

scum looks at a high-level effort post and says “this is scum!” before any townplayer can identify with it

what you did was compare it to nico

so that pings me koki, come on if you are town!

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:08 pm

In post 3274, Kokichi Oma wrote:You just said you were willing to bet the game on me being town. If maria is scum like you think she is then NLing wins us the game

i have to play it safe. why do i go through that effort as scum when clearly i have never put this kind of effort in as scum before? it is nonsensical for you to continue to maintain that stance without first looking into the very complete evidence i posted there

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:09 pm

i’m willing to bet the game, but you were not conftown fmpov. i just genuinely have not found you scummy ever since d1, which is a testament to your scumplay if you are scum

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:10 pm

i am very high on you being town, but maria’s AtE’s have been giving me concerns throughout this game. they have been strong

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:12 pm

In post 3284, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3282, stungun0404 wrote:but maria’s AtE’s have been giving me concerns throughout this game. they have been strong
Maria has not even ATE'd this game lol

umm, yeah she has. i can remember several she gave to me in specific

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:17 pm

well, i take it her telling me she took screenshots in her chat of her talking with rc that stungun was going to lose the game for town last day phase before the day phase started, was an AtE when I was voting her to get me off her wagon

like, “stungun” you don’t want to be the one to lose this game, because that would be a sad thing.

maybe emotion is not the right word so much as appeal to “you’re an idiot that is gonna throw this game!”

at least i take it that way, if she is scum.

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:17 pm

2 days ago actually

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:21 pm

and gemini serves up a good point about nico that i am sharing: “unlike nico, you (stun) have actually throughout this game been trying to solve the game!”

my continual effort posts should be proof of that. if there is one thing outside of my scumrange, that is it, along with very consistently posting at a high rate

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:02 pm

holy shit, koki is scum

uuuugghhh

maria, please engage with my earlier post about myself being town, because i am genuinely scared of the implications of the case where you do not.

VOTE: Kokichi

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:03 pm

[ppst]3268[/post] and 3269 to be precise

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:06 pm

same post, but still...

and 3258

@maria and @rc, i think it would be wonderful if somehow in spite of all the problems we had in this game, we end up winning both games while being on the same team. please tell me you are invested towards the same goal, and finding me to be town since i am in fact town here

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:08 pm

let me know if you guys have any questions since i know you guys are town now

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:11 pm

koki never gave a definite stance of where he was the last 2 day phases, which worried gemini, but i of course — thinking koki was town — did not question it and rather let it slide

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:12 pm

where has gamma emerald been all game? and especially since the other game finished?

all he has said was profii is scummy when i asked koki what gamma thought of profii.

koki never brought him up outside of that, just like nico had never brought up tw

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:13 pm

koki still does not feel scummy... but i know he is scum. like wtf?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:18 pm

i was right d1 when i had koki as scummiest at 38% town chance. how did i go from that to townreading him?

it was primarily based off his reactions to town lynchwagons

but even then he still rehashed a point of mine about jk usage. then he no killed n1, which is interesting

In post 823, stungun0404 wrote:continuing kokichi, now where did i leave off? looks like 614.

in 615: calls out gif push as garbage, but apparently has taken the stance that the pushes on me so far have not been garbage, which is interesting to note. why would you think the push is garbage when i had explicitly mentioned i am withholding reasoning on it. seems like you are trying to instigate something out of seemingly nothing there.

619: lol, i refer kokichi to meta my most recent scum game, and his immediate reaction is "how long ago was it?" as if looking for a direct excuse NOT to. i tell him it finished a week ago, but then never get another peep from it out of kokichi--implying he wasn't gonna bother reading it regardless of how long ago it was. so pointless question that scum asks there as a way of trying to avoid iso'ing that game. it's pointless because no follow-up.

691: as of this post, it is absolutely a false statement if you are stating that you have scumread other people than me. i have literally been your ONLY scumread as of post 691; the only player you have really even seriously considered as scum. this looks like you wanting to capitalize on my mislynch potentiality while not testing the waters anywhere else this day phase.

you had said creature is likely town at an early stage granted, and townread rc, and that you liked shoshin as town, but you literally had only focused on the potential of me and me alone being scum. why not seriously consider other options? this especially looks bad when i myself know i am town; can you see how this looks bad from my perspective? it's like you are afraid of scumreading anyone else thus far.

705: finally, you give a reads list! but prior to this point, you had not said a word about profii potentially being scum --> and for that matter no one but me. so what in your mind made you put him in the scum zone?

also, curious why girlinfreezer is obv town in your reads, and aronis would classify as a scum lean; i would think nicorobin would have been a bigger scum lean of yours if you had questioned me at an early point about him being lurkier as scum and her classifying as hella lurky this game.

In post 703, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 692, profii wrote:
In post 681, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: NicoRobin because he's scum
Nah

If NicoRobins scum style is lurking I don’t think she chooses the scum PM
What if both were scum roles then and she had no choice? Why rule out that possibility?
this is very improbable; we worry about that imo if we see a scum flip of the slot in the other game. scum tend to favor possibility > probability more often than town, and that has so far been a good scum tell for me, so this might be a scum suggestive post if you have one.

it is very likely scum calls a point like this to serious attention, and that town just lets that possibility go by the wayside because of its unlikeliness. town would rather worry about that later. my question is if town, why seriously feel the urge to call this into question, knowing that it is seriously very improbable.

In post 762, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 754, stungun0404 wrote:Kokichi is wrongly tunneled on me
Why am I wrong?
lol. another unnecessary question. you are wrong if town, but are technically playing to your wincon if scum.

763: i think you are scum now, to answer your question.

814: well, i haven't seen you as scum before, so of course you would point that out. but i have seen you as town multiple times, and your gameplay here just has a very strange, scummy feeling to it, that i cannot ignore. does not seem like you are town looking at the content focus of your posts so far.

updated confidence read: 43% kokichi is town (+5%) since last read. will adjust this in accordance with the other reads of gif and profii i determine.

@shoshin, you said you wanted to consult with your friemd. can you look into kokichi's iso while explicitly looking for town markers and let me know what you guys can find? because i'm lost trying to find any myself; which probably implicates kokichi as scum. i want to see if you can correlate with my read here, essentially seeing what i am seeing.

p-edit: of course there are 2 additional posts when i go to post this, making me have to edit the post tags, lmao!

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:20 pm

my other case part of kokichi

In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10372901#p10372901]post 799[/url], stungun0404 wrote:kokichi: sets up lynch on creature in 33 if he does not towntell early. why? so a mislynch happens perhaps?

but in post 40, in response to shoshin after i voted creature, kokichi echoes creature is probably town. and if he is not, that will be clear later. idk why 10 pages is supposably enough room for kokichi to advocate a lynch on creature, but it's something i do not like.

115 felt opportunistic to me, and similar of a response to what my scum partner in newbie 1875 -- platfleece -- said to invisibility early in that game of "What do you have to say in your defense, invis?" -- when he was L-2 in rvs. that is the type of vibe it gives me. it feels like it is fishing for information that would have net negative utility to town, but net positive utility to scum.

228: first scumlean is on me--which has stayed oddly consistent so far.

277: expresses concerns of nsg not posting, so as to call attention to her. this has more net scum motive than town motive, overall.

392: sure keep clinging on to the narrative that creature is easy to sort. this has proven wrong for me so far largely, and it seems like you want to possibly keep him alive as mislynch potential later, idk.

477: the irony is this post is pretty aggressive.

492: do not remember this question about nico, but he is definitely way more lurkier as town than scum, so idk what you mean there. it's easily proveable by the number of prods he has gotten in town games.

520: this vote by kokichi on me was a little oddly timed i think, and with no attached reasoning. first vote for kokichi.

607: lol @ her thanking gif for sheeping on me when she herself had no reasoning attached to her vote :-X
i think kokichi is scum here

613: why are you so attentive kokichi to tracking the voting patterns of gif? is it because you are scum partners? or is profii your scum partner? time will tell.
and anyway my post called attention directly to the fact that he changed his vote many times. so what game are you reading there? seems like you are distorting what i directly put in front of you.

614: perfect timing for scum to step in and spread paranoia about my rc/gif vote/stance, so yeah it just seems biased that you are so heavily tending towards the fact that i am scum no matter what, kokichi. i do not think town you is like this at all.

i cannot reason with most of kokichi's content so far coming from town, therefore clear scumlean here. likeliness of being town: 38 %

i will finish this iso later but i seriously think kokichi is scum here after reinvestigating. do not know if partner would be profii OR gif yet.

and i think this is enough for me to VOTE: Kokichi, having acknowledged this now.

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:28 pm

the one time where i analyzed players the most was the one time i identified the scum in this mylo situation correctly

koki has played a really good scum game, i’ll attack him tomorrow more if i am still alive. i am tired

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:29 pm

actually nah it’s LYLO

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:35 pm

In post 1295, profii wrote:
In post 1292, stungun0404 wrote:in fact, that is literally kokichi and nico’s vote progression

stun —> aronis

that’s it for both
OMG A SCUM PAIR

how fucking odd that this is actually the case

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:38 pm

In post 1291, stungun0404 wrote:what frustrates me is kokichi and nicorobin both can be very difficult to work with, and they are both on the aronis wagon right now and there is not much i can do about that

they were both on my wagon earlier too. what should i expect?

they were hard to work with because they were scum that were resistant to what i was putting forth at the time

that makes the game make slightly more sense, i think

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:43 pm

In post 2148, MariaR wrote:
In post 2147, stungun0404 wrote:koki and nico team
You act like this is impossible

you were right, idk why i dismissed it

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:46 pm

koki got on me for demanding a nicorobin lynch by trying to move focus over to profii

In post 2201, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2060, MariaR wrote:
In post 2056, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maria/RC do you see a stun and Prof team possible at all?
Oh Pro is getting lynched today period dw
tinfoil: maria r and nicorobin are scum together, because of maria’s clear resistance to nicorobin being lynched today.

that’s it, i demand a nicorobin lynch today. why? scum would be pushing her like crazy as a mislynch option if she was town, and the fact that a). profii has a plausible chainsaw defense of nico in his iso, b). mariar demands a profii lynch over nicorobin, and c). kokichi desires the same tells me that nico is very likely a partner of one of the three. or else, why is there so much defense for her right now?

the only plausible partner pairs fmpov that don’t include nico are koki + maria which is unlikely and koki + profii which is also unlikely.

nico could be scum with ANY of profii, maria, or kokichi and it would make sense. given that i currently think koki is town, it would make a lot of sense for either maria OR profii to be the partner of nico. by getting rid of nico, we can then have extra time to sort between profii and maria, because one of them is the partner that makes this game a town victory if we lynch them.

nico has contributed nothing to our scumhunting agenda as a town faction. that is about as clear scum as you can get at this stage in the game. these defenses of her are insane right now.

In post 2206, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2201, stungun0404 wrote:that’s it, i demand a nicorobin lynch today.
This is Exactly what I'm talking about stun.

In post 2207, Kokichi Oma wrote:Why is prof town?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:49 pm

i absolutely have to trust nsg jailed maria again, i called for her to do so to make sure that happened. there is no wiggle room

i pretty much always wanted nico before profii that day phase, fwiw

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:53 pm

if i am scum here, why do i even dare risk making a statement conftowning koki last phase? gemini and i had talked and felt that way, but clearly we were wrong

koki is patient, and clearly has the patience to play like he has in this game

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:53 pm

*of pretty much conftowning

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:55 pm

you aren’t even voting me, lol

you have been hedgy this whole game with votes

vote me! vote me! vote me!

you are so obviously convinced i am scum

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:57 pm

profii —> the mislynch you wanted to mislynch me

scum is 3-0 in friemds mafia games to date

maria, let us please not make this 4

love it how finally koki brings in evidence of a player against me, but had not analyzed anyone else this entire game to that extent upon death up until now. take that as scum in lylo that only needs a mislynch

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:59 pm

In post 3323, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stun knew that Maria would likely be jailed next because of the fact that NSG had a hard scumread on her. Stun had to rely on the fact that Maria early had him as a bigger townread than she did me. So he needed to take his chances in lylo.

excuse me? no she did not to my memory. that is a misrep

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:00 pm

maria, look out for koki here, that is all i am saying

i am sorry for scumreading you maria, and i also apologize to rc for scumreading him :’(

i genuinely had conviction, but i was wrong

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:01 pm

from gemini on koki:

“koki has been sheeping overall voting trends all game, but with no real sorting.” also did not vote no lynch first time we went for no lynch

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:03 pm

also from gemini to koki: “you have had all game, you dragged this out too long with nico. now you are getting to work with pocketing maria to get me lynched.” now, if we have anything to do with this, you will not succeed

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:04 pm

where was this work at the earlier stages in the game, koki, regarding your profii dead analysis?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:05 pm

i will address that stuff in the morning, good night

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:10 pm

oh, i will case you hard

you are not winning this game as scum without a serious fight from me

@maria pls do not vote until after i case koki

it is obv at least to me koki will quick hammer

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:14 pm

In post 3336, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3329, stungun0404 wrote:from gemini on koki:

“koki has been sheeping overall voting trends all game, but with no real sorting.” also did not vote no lynch first time we went for no lynch
This is blatantly false, lol. I'm the one who wanted to lead on nico.

this is blatantly blatantly false

i will stay in this thread until i fall asleep officially. you are not getting last laugh at town’s demise

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:15 pm

in fact, i wanted to lead towards nico SEVERAL times

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:15 pm

you were resistant

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:16 pm

In post 3339, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3337, stungun0404 wrote:it is obv at least to me koki will quick hammer
Like come on lol. This is one of the most forced posts I've ever seen in my mafia life.

you are scum, why wouldn’t you?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:17 pm

In post 3325, Kokichi Oma wrote:Again, as scum I would easily win in a 4 way with Prof as clear and you know it, Maria.

townclears are not to be messed around with though, so this is a moot point

you would not want two townclears at once in nsg and profii

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:20 pm

In post 3345, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3341, stungun0404 wrote:in fact, i wanted to lead towards nico SEVERAL times
You tried to lead on everyone equally.

that is blatantly false especially from your point of view. you are misrepping me a ton. i never once led on you

i tried to lead towards nico like 4 times or so, possibly more. it seemed like a lot

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:21 pm

In post 3347, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stun I thought you would be more entertaining in Lylo. but your arguments have all been bad so far. You've relied on self meta to try and prove you are innocent. Gamma says that you relying on it should be enough to prove you're mafia btw

so bow gamma pops out of nowhere, eh?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:21 pm

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:24 pm

In post 2054, stungun0404 wrote:i feel nico!scum is the best lynch option today. we could perhaps even get profii to join it, meanwhile nico will not join a profii wagon.

kokichi and maria, you guys can join this wagon whenever, but just maybe wait until after nsg pops in?!

if you assume kokichi!town, nico is 100% of the time scum here, and vice versa. why? maria and profii are not partners. besides, look at how difficult both of the last 2 lynchwagons have been to obtain.

this is only explainable by at least one scum not actively helping us with the lynches, because if they were a big force with these town mislynches, we would not have to wait until deadline to get a lynch. town by themselves does not tend to settle on a town mislynch wagon that forms quickly, and if such a thing happened then scum would be actively helping us. given we have not seen that therefore we can conclude at least one scum has been stalling with their voting pattern in some way. thus, one of the players that have been more stubborn with casting votes in a reluctant sort of sense and that has been voteparking on particular players must universally be scum. this means one of kokichi or nico is virtually guaranteed to flip scum. i really think it’s nico right now.

i feel secure enough voting nico right now, and i kinda want this game to end so i can focus more on my college work, so i’m almost to the point where i want to vote nico rn

In post 2055, Kokichi Oma wrote:After all those posts on the previous page, it's a bit weird you're so eager to vote Nico here over Profil.

wow, you wanted me distracted off nico, didn’t you?

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:24 pm

and you too

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:26 pm

BTW, both Koki AND nico were major vote stallers in this game, and they are the scum team, which explains the long length of the day phases if you let that sink in maria

scum was taking forever to vote in cooperative places, and in the case of koki to vote at all

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:28 pm

he’s said 2 things you have brought in the thread for this game

the only other one was after i asked you a question about him. he found profii scummy, but you would not vote profii for the entirety of what, 3 day phases? you knew it was a mislynch coming, and your partner nico needed him to stay

you of course wait to bring anything up again until now that you are in LYLO because you are scum, and see i keep referring to gemini.

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:29 pm

In post 3356, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2063, Kokichi Oma wrote:ftr I think it's likely Prof/Nico but I'm just laying everything on the table here since it's MYLO
convenient that you left this quote out, hmm?

convenient that you assume i have looked at all your posts, and that you are misrepping me here

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:29 pm

as in having looked through your iso again with newfound knowledge you are scum

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:31 pm

of course you include yourself, when you are in fact scum!

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:31 pm

profii did the same stuff fwiw

what makes me unique?

scum being you and nico has confused everyone

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:39 pm

lmao

you are going info instead of analysis right now,

that is a typical scumtell, but especially when you have no words with it.

profii really disliked where you were placed honestly on the vote wagons of creature and aronis, saying “koki doesn’t look good” iirc

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:40 pm

*giving info

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:45 pm

In post 2024, profii wrote:
In post 2000, schadd_ wrote:
d2 final vc

Creature
(5):
profii, stungun0404, Kokichi Oma, MariaR,
Creature

profii (1):

Shoshin

Kokichi Oma (1):
northsidegal

northsidegal (1):
NicoRobin

not voting (0):

with 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch

In post 1370, schadd_ wrote:
d1 final vc

Aronis
(5):
NicoRobin,
Shoshin
, Kokichi Oma, profii, stungun0404

profii (2):
Creature
, MariaR

Kokichi Oma (1):
northsidegal

not voting (1):

Aronis

with 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

In post 2025, profii wrote:Hmm doesn’t look great for Koki actually

let’s not forget the way this made profii feel. he was unsettled by your placement just looking at the votes, and quite frankly i am too now that i look it, and i hope maria is

3rd on both town mislynches.

need to look at profii wagon too

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:48 pm

conveniently first on prof wagon, only to hop off to let prof convince you he is town

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:50 pm

In post 3370, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3368, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2024, profii wrote:
In post 2000, schadd_ wrote:
d2 final vc

Creature
(5):
profii, stungun0404, Kokichi Oma, MariaR,
Creature

profii (1):

Shoshin

Kokichi Oma (1):
northsidegal

northsidegal (1):
NicoRobin

not voting (0):

with 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch

In post 1370, schadd_ wrote:
d1 final vc

Aronis
(5):
NicoRobin,
Shoshin
, Kokichi Oma, profii, stungun0404

profii (2):
Creature
, MariaR

Kokichi Oma (1):
northsidegal

not voting (1):

Aronis

with 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

In post 2025, profii wrote:Hmm doesn’t look great for Koki actually
let’s not forget the way this made profii feel. he was unsettled by your placement just looking at the votes, and quite frankly i am too now that i look it, and i hope maria is

3rd on both town mislynches.

need to look at profii wagon too
Yes. I'm scum for being on the same wagons as you. Good catch.

koki, reasons are drastically different, so that is bs to even compare

i had to panic lynch aronis who i thought was flipping town because of deadline looming in, you thought he was scummy because he had a lot of scumreads which is bullshit.

i genuinely scumread and gave a thorough case for creature, you just reacted to how he flipped stance on you, then moved off, then moved back on last minute to help secure a lynch

who has worse reasonings? clearly you because you are scum that needed those mislynches

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:50 pm

or a wide open lynchpool

which really does not make some scum

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:51 pm

*someone

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:03 pm

let us not dismiss

why

i voted creature like you did in your sample of my posts koki, which is misrep city

In post 1608, stungun0404 wrote:i think creature is scum, and has been getting help from his friemd ircher that is now out of the opposing game and flipped town. a lot of his d1 posts reflect his scum tendencies to my recollection. notice how creature has been a bit more substantial out of nowhere this day phase -- this can be attributed to his partner helping him out now that he is out of the other game. otherwise, why was creature so relatively insubstantial last day phase, in the sense that he sheeped me with a townread of shoshin (which he is still trusting) and sheeped me hoping i was right with a vote on profii.

i am feeling burned out with mafia right now, however, so i'll just post what i had already typed up here and call it a day for now.

creature would definitely take scum over ircher imo. there is no doubt in my mind if the 2 had that option. creature has been in so many scum games recently in his meta actually, looking at them. why wouldn't he take on another potentially - now that we know ircher flipped town in the other game?

seems creature has a tendency in his scum meta, but never in his town meta, to bold certain sketchy elements of posts while simply adding a comment saying "lol". this is the main substance of the posts he gives, and it serves to directly shade another player in the game every time he does it. problem is, these posts are incredibly insubstantial and creature reflecting where creature is at and he doesn't tend to make those kinds of posts as town, or so it appears fmpov.

it seems this is one way scum!creature inflates his post counts in certain games where otherwise he might be caught. he did it here, thus he is very likely scum based off his meta.

In post 221, Creature wrote:
In post 158, Aronis wrote:creature- probably town.
I liked one of his posts
lol
reads like he's possibly intending to doubtcast aronis. is he even implicating that he is scum, and therefore aronis should not townread him there?

1247 also serves to deflect attention back to aronis, just by creature simply questioning it, even though creature is not on the wagon at this point--he is on the profii wagon "hoping that i am right" there. i'm getting pocket-y vibes there, now.

also lol posts @ profii in 1081 when he says maria vs. creature is t vs. s.

other games of proof

Creature!Scum game in transformers mafia
In post 139, Creature wrote:
In post 111, UnrealSeal wrote:creature's scumgame is to post one thing scummy and then lurk for the rest of the game
while RC fervantly defends him
kappa
lol
if you look at transformers mafia too, you'll notice creature seriously
diverged
from his lurkiness as scum tendency. granted, that game was multiball, but it can't be discounted when there are people enabling certain elements of his scumplay as being impossible for creature to perform.

lol. well that hunt failed miserably; of course it would be in another game i played with him but nowhere else in the first page of his most recent threads
but i did ensure that he indeed did that in none of his town games on the entire first page.

he also tends to make posts with higher frequency as scum that only contain the substance of "???"
stockport mafia (scum game)
viewtopic.php?p=9993221#p9993221
viewtopic.php?p=9996526#p9996526

he did so here as well in 222 and 1138

there's more games to credit here from a quick dive into his meta, but i really don't feel like doing it right now as i mentioned i am burned out.

makes a post in a scum game where similar to his opening post here--he claims he needs sth interesting to happen.
viewtopic.php?p=9856177#p9856177
does it in his first post here: 31

hmm... sidenote to lookout. creature and nicorobin scum team has won a game before where creature was lynched d1. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75246

creature from my memory also seems super focused with clearing himself in his scum games as opposed to trying to sort other players. he tried to do that here with me last day phase in being ok if i proposed a lynch option, as long as it's not him. that's when i turned to profii, but that still did slightly ping me at the time.
1166 is where he did that this game.

1393: why is creature suddenly so confident profii is town; enough to say stungun vs. profii is t vs. t. does he think profii will be the lynch today, and thus he is wanting to avoid that lynchwagon to put himself in a better position? that's what i am presently thinking!

and also i don't think this game can possibly exist in a state where both profii and creature are town. if one is town, simply the other is scum. they were the 2 primary "doubtcasters" of aronis, and that was a town mislynch. so one of them is pretty much scum. profii has done a few things of recent that i don't think scum would do, and as such i automatically assume creature must be scum.

also, notice how creature is veering away from majority targets, which might mean he knows certain players are town. he is doing this in favor of voting for lynches that probably won't happen (Kokichi and maria are his faves rn; even though he started the nsg wagon and that never really took off).

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:06 pm

and the supporting details of my case, which are verifiable.

as scum, why do i get this particular with a push for a simple mislynch? i would have no mtive to do so on creature, who townread me just as much as anyone, but go ahead and dismiss that too why don’t you?

In post 2768, stungun0404 wrote:and what had tipped me off to this bit in particular:

“seems creature has a tendency in his scum meta, but never in his town meta, to bold certain sketchy elements of posts while simply adding a comment saying "lol". this is the main substance of the posts he gives, and it serves to directly shade another player in the game every time he does it. problem is, these posts are incredibly insubstantial and creature reflecting where creature is at and he doesn't tend to make those kinds of posts as town, or so it appears fmpov. ”

was what he did in a scum game i was watching, but not alive in, heroes wanted. he made that post at around the time i posted that case, though i obviously could not reveal it at the time but i now can, i did not think creature town would do that, blinded by him doing it in a scum game i was following closely.

evidence in that game
In post 11471, Creature wrote:lol
he had not done this in a single town game he had meta’d, but he had done it in another scum game. so that is 2 scum games, but zero town games, so to be fair i thought that would make him scum this game wanting to bring attention to aronis for a particular post.

check the timestamps of the posts and you should figure that this checks

In post 2769, stungun0404 wrote:of course you have to follow the link on the creature post to the other game to see it, but do it and you will see

stungun0404 · Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:07 pm

creature never thought for a second in this game that i was scum iirc

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:49 am

In post 3331, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2231, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2229, NicoRobin wrote:There are plenty of games where I was town and did basically nothing. Many. Across multiple accounts. I can find every single one and list them here for your convenience.
And I've seen you as town actually post a lot. So what's your point? You've done both

In post 2232, NicoRobin wrote:I don't get why you are scumreading me for something that is my town trait. There is stubborness and then there is this.....

*sigh*

I will have some words to tell you post-game.

In post 2235, Kokichi Oma wrote:viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76071&activity_overview=1

Caught Nico in a lie. I was waiting for this.

She was town this game. She had one of the most posts in the game and defended herself.

In post 2238, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2231, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2229, NicoRobin wrote:There are plenty of games where I was town and did basically nothing. Many. Across multiple accounts. I can find every single one and list them here for your convenience.
And I've seen you as town actually post a lot. So what's your point? You've done both
If you mean the games where I was confirmable town, like 1936 and SU2, they don't count, because as confirmable town, I could speak my mind more freely.

p.edit: Like I said, I was conftown that game, so it doesn't count.

In post 2240, Kokichi Oma wrote:But you're not pushing back at all. People still scumread you that game and you had a lot of push back.

In post 2241, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2240, Kokichi Oma wrote:But you're not pushing back at all. People still scumread you that game and you had a lot of push back.
I was defending mastina, not myself.......

In post 2243, Kokichi Oma wrote:Nico why aren't you answering?

In post 2248, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2243, Kokichi Oma wrote:Nico why aren't you answering?
Because I have nothing to say to you.
Look at my interaction with Nico. She was clearly shaken by me calling her out. If we were scum together we would have been able to orchestrate actual scum theater. (as you would know, I enjoy doing Maria). But, look at the line when I try to engage Nico she ignores me because she knows I caught her in her lie and doesn't know how to react to it.

note that in these interactions you never once actually voted nico

therefore, your actions are not saying much

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:59 am

nico’s spree of defensive interactions with me, includes scum theatre with koki that results with a vote on... me because profii is already there and i have mislynch potential? she does not move the remainder of the day

In post 666, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Stungun

In post 2216, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2205, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2202, NicoRobin wrote:Except contributing nothing is my town trait.
and why do you expect town to automatically come to this conclusion, especially after you got on a town aronis and voted him over it in helping bring about a mislynch? aronis was town, so obviously it’s natural for town to be circling back to this conclusion that you could be distorting your own meta.
Because common sense dictates I am town. Are you going to bet everything on the slim chance that I could be distorting my own meta?

In post 2221, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2214, stungun0404 wrote:she can defend herself in a reasonable capacity and not cling to her meta excuse every other post.
Do you have proof for this?

In post 2716, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2708, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2704, NicoRobin wrote:Why such a rush, lol?

@Kokichi
Because I want to lynch scum
No, you want a mislynch, but that won't happen while I am around.

VOTE: stungun

In post 2720, NicoRobin wrote:Then you must think we're both so stupid we'd tie ourselves to each other so transparently, thus ensuring that if one of us flips scum, the other would be insta-lynched.

Thanks for insulting my intelligence, boy. I am sure that people in that department would be thrilled. ^^

In post 2722, NicoRobin wrote:And speaking of which, if you are so sure that we're both scum, why not wagon my so-called partner first? You have 4 days left so you could do so if you really believed this.

But no, you won't, because you and Koki both know we're both town and also know that you would look better if I flipped town instead of him, because this would give you a better chance to be like 'well, she was useless' either way and thus you'd clear suspicions from yourselves.

You are the ones desperate to save one another, not us.

In post 2724, NicoRobin wrote:It's not bs when it's the truth.

You and Koki are partners pushing for my mislynch. I call it the way I see it. Sorry you don't like it, buddy.

Now go ahead and say I am scum! Shout it to the world. It will only make you look worse when I flip town.

In post 2731, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2726, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2725, stungun0404 wrote:it’s bs when i can confidently assign that you are scum going for my lynch right now because you think it is the most likely town one to occur.

this is not much better than me simply asking you to lay a vote down on d1, and you responded by voting me? who comes off scummier? you or i? clearly you. i asked you to place a vote down for info purposes because you had not for so long d1, and plus i and everyone else had voted. what that tells me is you had no desire to sort players, because well you are scum. especially since you lingered on me for 8 days as i was mislynch bait with a vote only responding to me asking you to vote
ebwop
Except I am the mislynch bait here, and it's you/Koki gunning for me, the person least likely to be believed.

In post 2734, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2733, stungun0404 wrote:after creature lynch d2, also a townflip:
In post 1994, Kokichi Oma wrote:Jail profil. If last scum isnt prof it's in Nico and NSG
fooled into thinking creature!scum perhaps because he scumclaimed? note: koki does bot even consider if creature flips town. i think that is a genuine town reaction there. also already gives an idea of where he stands today, so consistency there.

In post 1995, Kokichi Oma wrote:I think creature is trying to wifom us saying his partner is a townread but I think its someone we sr.
this would be scum further playing the game to completeness. genuinely would he expect anyone as scum to be looking into posts like these? ergo, the consistency of this is what makes koki look very town to me.
Look who is defending their partner now?

Hint: It's u.

In post 2742, NicoRobin wrote:@stungun You are doing the same thing you accuse me of doing as scum - defending Koki - and so the logical conclusion is that you are scum with him.

In post 2747, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2746, stungun0404 wrote:besides, profii: nico does not tend to distance
based off meta
, and you would have distanced d2 when you voted nico.

in fact, what has changed since that vote to make you so resistant to that lynchwagon?
No. You are not allowed to read me off an aspect of my meta unless you take other aspects of my meta into account too, like me being useless as town.

In post 2754, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2752, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2751, profii wrote:
In post 2701, stungun0404 wrote:fine, i agree not to lynch profii if nico flips town

In post 2745, stungun0404 wrote:because they only have one partner the entire game, and no one wants to be operating alone as scum.

2 scum in a micro tend to bond together and only bus if absolutely necessary and it can be pulled off without the other being endangered

you two have been suspected together since d1, so obviously you could not pull of the bussing strategy.

Wait I should just bus my scum mate Nico because I got a town pass from Stun right here!

IF nico flips town

not if she flips scum

therefore, you are trying to feign as though you are not reading here in an attempt to look town. at least that is how my lens see things rn

like everything just makes sense with a scum nico and a scum profii.
Which I will.

In post 2756, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2755, stungun0404 wrote:fmpov, then what is scum team if nico!town

koki-maria? koki-profii?

like explain to me how those would make sense at this point
So, you are saying that we should all believe town just because you say you are?

In post 2757, NicoRobin wrote:If that's how it works, then you should have me as town because I say so, and anyone else who says they're town is town.

Let's all be town together!

In post 2760, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2758, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2757, NicoRobin wrote:If that's how it works, then you should have me as town because I say so, and anyone else who says they're town is town.

Let's all be town together!
except i’m talking fmpov because I know with certainty i am town.

of course you can’t trust other people’s claim, you have to find the evidence yourself.

what are you picking at here?
I mean that you shouldn't expect the rest of us to magically townread you and utterly dismiss the possibility you could be scum with Koki just because you say so.

In post 2766, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2762, stungun0404 wrote:yeah, even gemini says your vote on me is bs nico.

take that to be both of us that agree you are scum here
of course he is. He is helping you out.

In post 2784, NicoRobin wrote:And because you are considering all the possibilities instead of tunneling, and in my humble experience, scum are more likely to just jump on me for easy mislynch, and since you are the only one that hasn't expressed such a sentiment so far, you are town.

In post 2785, NicoRobin wrote:Okay, here are my responses

1. Why the hell should I believe that you and your townread are actually town? Just because you say so? Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.
2. I thought he had a guilty. Was supposed to keep silent and let you mislynch a possible JK over their guilty instead?
3. Again with 'what I believe'. All right then. Prove that what you believe is a fact. An actual fact. Not what you think is, but what actually is. Only then would I back down on this.

In post 2786, NicoRobin wrote:In other words, prove me that you and Koki are town without implying that we should townread you both, no questions asked, just because you say so.

In post 2788, NicoRobin wrote:Sure.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75360
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=74718
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=71362
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=70506
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=71471 (if you think I am lurking as scum, pay extra special attention to this one)

In post 2793, NicoRobin wrote:That's cute. Now answer my points.

In post 2794, NicoRobin wrote:And frankly, if I am town and read pro as town, why shouldn't be leery of you and Koki? You make it sound like you are the only one allowed to scumread others on the merit of your own towniness and that of your townread.....

In post 2802, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2797, stungun0404 wrote:nico, you selectively have not responded to my questions which i have asked continually about whether you have talked to tw about anything. i don't have much further desire to prove i am town, because i've done said things regarded to me being town probably 500 times in this thread, so the fact that you have not seen any of them is weird to me.

basically from where i stand koki can only ever be scum if she is scum with Maria. any other situation hardly makes sense. thus, from your perspective, given they have defended each other, i don't understand why you conclude it's more likely it's me and koki when i fought koki the majority of d1 and similarly continued much of that 1 vs. 1 d2.

the only situation i see where koki + maria is even plausible is if nico is town, but i am having a hard time reaching that conclusion since i believe koki is town, and from day start i felt if koki is town, then nico is scum, and vice versa; just like with maria and profii; because i felt both sets were extremely unlikely partners and it would have straight up be a combo of the two sets.

in this regard, you can say i have consistently followed my logic, as i really never seriously consider maria and profii to be plausible, or nico and koki. profii and koki does not make sense either. so therefore, scum pairs would have to be between (profii + nico), (maria + nico), and (koki + maria) undoubtedly.

so, why exactly am i scummier than the other 2 from your vantage point?
Because you are behaving like people should townread you just because you say so. From your standpoint, you should give the others the benefit of the doubt given that they do not know you are town. But you want us to believe that you are town, no ifs, and or buts, just because you say so. That's why you are scummier.

In post 2803, NicoRobin wrote:And that's just it. If you were town, there would be no need to defend yourself that much, because other people would clearly see that you are town. The fact that you have is saying something.

In post 2805, NicoRobin wrote:And this?

The moment I answer your question above, you ignore me. This proves that you are scared you would be exposed if you continue talking to me, and are taking an easy way out.

In post 2810, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2807, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2802, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2797, stungun0404 wrote:nico, you selectively have not responded to my questions which i have asked continually about whether you have talked to tw about anything. i don't have much further desire to prove i am town, because i've done said things regarded to me being town probably 500 times in this thread, so the fact that you have not seen any of them is weird to me.

basically from where i stand koki can only ever be scum if she is scum with Maria. any other situation hardly makes sense. thus, from your perspective, given they have defended each other, i don't understand why you conclude it's more likely it's me and koki when i fought koki the majority of d1 and similarly continued much of that 1 vs. 1 d2.

the only situation i see where koki + maria is even plausible is if nico is town, but i am having a hard time reaching that conclusion since i believe koki is town, and from day start i felt if koki is town, then nico is scum, and vice versa; just like with maria and profii; because i felt both sets were extremely unlikely partners and it would have straight up be a combo of the two sets.

in this regard, you can say i have consistently followed my logic, as i really never seriously consider maria and profii to be plausible, or nico and koki. profii and koki does not make sense either. so therefore, scum pairs would have to be between (profii + nico), (maria + nico), and (koki + maria) undoubtedly.

so, why exactly am i scummier than the other 2 from your vantage point?
Are you trying to say that every time I would get lynched for being lurky, I would be scum, just because I was scum in that game? Sheer probability doesn't agree with you, unless you are thinking I would be scum in every single game where I lurk?

Because you are behaving like people should townread you just because you say so. From your standpoint, you should give the others the benefit of the doubt given that they do not know you are town. But you want us to believe that you are town, no ifs, and or buts, just because you say so. That's why you are scummier.
but here's the thing...

you have done the exact same thing, trying to prove how your meta absolutely makes it implausible for you to be scum, but you directly have a scum game that is an outlier. whereas i do not, thus it holds universally for me, it does not for you, and you really cannot win this debate lol because the numbers in the comparisons would easily favor my end of this argument

profii, your biggest townread, has done the exact same thing too, so the fact that you are holding this argument against me is flat-out redonkulous

In post 2811, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2808, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2803, NicoRobin wrote:
And that's just it. If you were town, there would be no need to defend yourself that much, because other people would clearly see that you are town. The fact that you have is saying something.
how many times have you defended yourself?

more times than you have a). stated scumreads of anyone, or b). done anything game relevant

this is utter bs, and if you are town than this is a very very poor argument. VOTE: Nico

see i wanted to reflect on koki and maria because they both hopped off my wagon d1 right after i said 2 scum would be on my lynchwagon d1 if i were mislynched, but you are leaving me no choice here but to continue to think you are scum for upholding your vote with things that you have done yourself consistently
Have I defended myself more times than YOU have? If yes, find proof, and I will concede. I will even hammer myself. Honest.

In post 2812, NicoRobin wrote:And......he disappears.

I wonder why......?

In post 2815, NicoRobin wrote:No. I gave you a chance to prove me wrong. Instead you go on a tangent about other things. I will not tolerate your bs anymore.

So if you don't grant me your request in your next post, all bets are off and you would lose any and all opportunities.

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:00 am

nico voteparked on me 8 days on d1 too, even as i was taken to L-2. in this setup, why do that to a scum partner ever? there is no common sense to that

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:07 am

what i mean is risking that on D1 of all days

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:17 am

In post 3275, stungun0404 wrote:scum looks at a high-level effort post and says “this is scum!” before any townplayer can identify with it

what you did was compare it to nico

so that pings me koki, come on if you are town!

this is a scum reaction to a massive wall post, mathblade came up with this same reaction to another similar massive wallpost i made in heroes wanted saying it was very LAMIST-y, and mathblade was scum.

not only do you reduce it to just those few words, but you compared me to nico, even jocularly—this is not how town reacts to such a post they haven’t even read. it’s just not a natural progression of thought for town to go through.

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:18 am

In post 3270, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3268, stungun0404 wrote:So if I am scum this game, I have played tremendously against my meta, including both scum and town posting tendencies,
Oh hey, Nico. I thought you were lynched already?

i meant koki’s post which should have been quoted

^ that above was my reaction to koki’s post

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:32 am

all game, koki has been very patient and methodical with his kills and lack of kills

koki has similarly been very patient and methodical with his votes.

he continues that here in LYLO because he thinks it will give him a heads-up as scum; maria i just need you to recognize what it is koki is doing here and how it has been consistent this entire game. consistently koki has said he will “wait to hear” from several players before actually taking action, using that as an excuse.

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:21 am

thank you for not quickvoting me!

now is not the time to gamethrow because koki is actually scum here, but thanks for being blunt with me anyways

now, what is there that i can do to help the situation? do you have any questions for me? i can give you detailed thought processes for anything regarding what went through my head this game so you can investigate the towniness of my reactions.

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:33 am

In post 3389, MariaR wrote:You've flipped on a lot of stances calling me towny to kokichi towny and same for the days before I guess my main question is throughout this game what's been the key points for your flips.

Lack of having a solid townread for the better part of a couple day phases, outside of shoshin and nsg. i mean it wasn’t even close between all of the remaining players in terms of towniness for me. everyone else had something scummy or null about them.

Kokichi’s reactions after town lynchwagons seemed towny to me, but I was clearly off there. That’s where the basis of my townread started, and it grew from there.

With reference to you, gif’s one comment regarding creature double scum read as one of the scummiest things in the thread because I knew he was scum in the other game. I am hoping you can see how that scumpinged me, because he regarded it as a real possibility, and he was voting creature anyway iirc.

profii was extremely scummy, but he did some town-y things too i recognized, but the scumminess way outweighed the towniness, making him frustratingly hard to sort.

nico was the 100 percent scum fmpov, because i could not see a state of partners without her being involved.

i am flip-floppy in town games, but not scum games, and i can prove it by doing a deep dive within my own meta if you’d like!

if you saw my vote patterns in town game vs. scum games, it would be clear i am town here. in this gamestate, a consistent voting pattern makes sense for scum because there were so many scummy players. why would i need to change my vote so often if i were scum, or change my stances so often? that should not really make sense.

profii did the same thing, and so did your slot especially with rc in the game

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:34 am

let me see where i found you towny real quick because i do not recall

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:41 am

In post 1784, Kokichi Oma wrote:Ok Maria is scum nevermind. No way she votes me as town here ever

In post 1785, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: Maria

If you lynch me. LYNCH MARIA TOMORROW. FOR ONCE TRUST ME ON MY READ ON HER

In post 1798, Kokichi Oma wrote:Sadly. Maria is town.

hmm, looking back for my townread of maria, i found this.

i believe i asked koki about his thought process here and he did not answer. it was a very strange progression that is kinda scummy with hindsight

especially with how he used creature’s flip against him as ammo to vote creature

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:48 am

In post 1595, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1592, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi, who is your strongest townread (other than me) at present and why?
RC/Maria. Mostly from RC's day 1. Why? I thought I made that pretty clear

all koki gave though was maria and rc’s meta

that was not enough to sway me, thus i continued not to be able to see where he was coming from here (pocketing) and instead could not bring myself to tr maria

In post 2591, stungun0404 wrote:shoshin and i both demonstrated concern about townreads on
a). kokichi
and b). profii
i have on maria from kokichi - i am not sure if that points towards koki scum or maria scum fmpov.

my last town game, heroes wanted, i demonstrated concern on the townreads of 6 players the entire game. 4 of those 6 were the only 4 scum i was in the game with, so that turned out very accurate.

i only demonstrated concern about a townread on momrangal in american president’s mafia. she was scum

i can bring proof if you need it

shoshin was also concerned about townreads on koki

it was for good reason obviously

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:00 am

hold up... i have something that ought to help townclear me given my meta

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:01 am

In post 3414, Kokichi Oma wrote:I did earlier. Stun wanted prof lynched over nico. When I brought up that if he scumreads both why wont he vote nico and he skated around the idea

wrong, i wanted nico lynched over prof. why you misrepping?

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:09 am

In post 3425, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3416, MariaR wrote:I should go back and see who pushed Pro with me
It was stun.

you questioned him too, and voted him on a couple occasions. quit pinning all the blame on me

@maria, i got it!

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:10 am

come on, you have come off so strong with your defenses, don't act like you are weak now koki

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:11 am

i am using the full 24 hours, as there is another case i'd like to work on.

so consider it 2 in 1!

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:29 am

In post 3418, stungun0404 wrote:hold up... i have something that ought to help townclear me given my meta

that something is my voting progression in the games i have posted the most in as town, those have tended to be paranoia games
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my votes D1 this game (damn, i was straight after town from the get-go): Aronis--Creature--Profii--northsidegal--profii--gif--unvote--nsg--stungun--nicorobin--kokichi--unvote--kokichi--gif--kokichi--creature--aronis--profii--creature--profii--aronis

aka, no wonder i keep getting confused, i keep settling on town lynchwagons because nico and koki are scum staying relatively in the background at that stage in the game with their actions

D2: profii--nicorobin--profii--unvote--creature--profii--unvote--creature--unvote--kokichi--creature

D3: accidental vote on profii from quote tag failure--unvote--nicorobin--unvote--maria--profii--unvote--profii--nico--unvote--nico--unvote--nico--profii (maria you told me at this point you would not compromise with nico)--nico
note: most of my profii votes were a). because i thought he was scum with nico, and b). people would not seemingly compromise with nico, even though i preferred nico.

D4: profii--unvote--profii

D5: no lynch

D6: no lynch

D7: kokichi

total actual votes/unvotes:

52

!

other town games with similar content level

my votes for heroes wanted, where i posted 609 times-- replaced in d3
this is also proof i am better at assessing games when there is already a bunch of info for me to go off of and i am replacing in for someone else as town
d3: titus (was pretty much obvscum fmpov, but i still moved elsewhere)--katsuki (town)--titus (scum)--creature (scum)--titus (scum)
d4: shiro (copied a massive wallpost into the thread that included a vote on the dead flipped town nightkill, lmao; mathblade called this out as lamist-y and he was scum, which reminds me of koki's reaction last day phase to my massive wallpost)--creature (scum)--toogeloo (town that i tunneled on wrongly)
then i was nightkilled!
my iso: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76709&user_select[]=31546

borderlands mafia: i posted 629 times as yt2980; a multiball game! note there were 24 players in this game, the most i have played with at once
my votes on d1: beeboy (mafia)--i am not varsoon (town)--sir cakez (mafia)--almost 50 (independent)--pisskop (town)--rob13 (town)--pisskop (town)--dwlee99 (town)
votes on d2: pisskop (town)--almost50 (independent)--pisskop (town)--nicole mimi tithel (town)--unvote--nicole mimi tithel (town)--pisskop (town)--unvote--wgeurts (town)--unvote--pisskop (town)--unvote--wgeurts (town)--pisskop (town)
d3: nicole mimi tithel (town, who was framed badly by scum and was thus quicklynched)
note: at this point, we had mislynched 3 town in a row with 7 scum present in the game, and only one dead after 3 days from a nk.
d4: elyse (serial killer)--almost50 (independent)--nero cain (town)--unvote--popsofctown (town)--beeboy (mafia)--almost50 (independent)
independent is the first scum we capture through lynch! nightkilled n4; one scum team thought i was scum and tried crosskilling me!
my iso: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65280&user_select% ... &start=600

big brother mafia: i posted 665 times in this game
thread, since i cannot provide iso: http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/ ... ly?page=88
note, i am jf816 with the posts in this game, and people refer to me as invince/invincible
i was very lynchbait-y in this game, and got all 4 scum on my lynch i believe at an early stage in the game; even still i did not vote any of them

d1 votes: kunt (town)--coco (town)--kunt (town)--ry4n (town)--surfboardt (town)--cynthia (town)--az (town)--drag (town)--codex (mafia)--invince (myself; town)--drag (town)--green baron (mafia)--ry4n (town)--zebra (mafia)--surfboardt (town)--rocky (town)--green baron (mafia)--unvote--invince (myself again; town!)--max (town)--zebra (mafia)--ry4n (town)--surf (town)--invince (again myself!)--surf (town)--green baron (mafia)--unvote--coco (town)--surf (town)--unvote--max (town)--rocky (town)--max (town)--rocky (town)--cynthia (town)--zebra (mafia)--unvote--rocky (town)--max (town)--codex (mafia)--rocky (town)

so on d1, i had

41 votes/unvotes

! that is almost as many as this entire game

i think this one game, only from D1,

conclusively

shows how much i change stances when i am town that is confused. i might as well have been a jester that game. i have improved since, largely because i have started giving townreads out to select players, but this was what like my 5th or 6th mafia game ever?

and here's a page you can read where my posting gap was emphasized in this game: http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/ ... ly?page=30
and you can see me vacillate after claiming to tunnel someone!

if you need another town game where i changed stances a ton, check this one out, god complex mafia: http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/ ... -mafia-rip

and like all my other ones i provided with high content

as for a completed scum game, the one game i have with the most posts in (newbie 1875) with a whopping

121

(that is about

800

less than this game), here were my votes!
d1: isolato (town)--espeonage (town)--platfleece (scum partner)--espeonage (town)--platfleece (scum partner)
d2: xander (town)
d3: nexus (town)--unvote [i was not part of the hammer on nexus!]
d4: teacher (town)--unvote (because he unvoted me i was being friendly in MYLO even though i had to convince another player he was scum)
so a whopping

10

voting actions in my most advanced scum game recorded. how do i manage

52

then this game as scum?

therefore i am not scum this game, because how do i manage such a big discrepancy for one scum game when I have six others with 121 or less posts completed? and further, in a micro-sized game that is slow-paced?

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:31 am

oh, and i voted no more than 2 townplayers per day phase most notably

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:32 am

in my scum game

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:35 am

koki, you have played a brilliant scum game tbch, now let me look into your iso

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:40 am

In post 33, Kokichi Oma wrote:

setting up a potential lynch on creature

In post 1783, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1778, stungun0404 wrote:creature/kokichi are likely of opposite alignment
This is what I mean about being scummy. This looks like setting up lynches. In what way have we proven to be opposite alignments when we have had no interactions?

but later gets on me while koki wants a creature lynch because i think creature and koki are likely of opposite alignment, and he concludes thus i am scummy because i am setting up a “mislynch” on koki after creature. but truthfully, why is he concerned unless he is scum and knows creature is town, when he

professed

he wanted creature lynched because he thought he was scum? this is scummy

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:40 am

In post 33, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 31, Creature wrote:Ego

have to wait something interesting happen yet
If this guy doesn't town tell within the first 10 pages we lynch him

this is post 33

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:43 am

In post 40, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 39, Shoshin wrote:Creature's probably town. And if he's not, that'll be pretty clear later.
Pretty much this.

and also gives this response to shoshin perpetuating a myth

creature was not clear town this game

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:44 am

In post 43, NicoRobin wrote:Hi.

In post 44, Kokichi Oma wrote:Hi nico, what do you think of the first 2 pages

In post 45, NicoRobin wrote:I think that I think nothing. I know that I know nothing.

ooh, early scum theatre!

nico’s first post in thread, and koki of course engages with nico here

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:47 am

In post 392, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 297, GirlInFreezer wrote:VOTE: creature
Creature doesn't post this much this early as scum, so hes likely town. Even if he isnt he will be easy to find out if hes scum

... and yet you mislynched him later. you definitely have to be held accountable for that

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:49 am

In post 395, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 393, profii wrote:Same - before I say what happened to me I’ll check with Schadd I can say what I want here
Yeah that's why I was being vague. I didn't wanna get in trouble. But basically we saw the roles at the same time. I said didn't matter which role. So he chose

wait. you are a claimed vanilla townie

you had choice between roles. but, you imply here you and gamma got different roles, because you had to choose between roles and not games

you got mafia goon, gamma got vt.

that is the only way it is explainable that you chose via roles

#scumslip

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:50 am

gamma got vt, so therefore koki did not get vt, and is therefore scum

easy win

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:55 am

koki is clearly scum via the slip there, i don’t need to prove anything else

why? well, why on earth are two players going to debate over 2 vanilla townie roles as to which role they take? obviously, they are going to choose which game, rather than which role, and therefore koki cannot be vanilla townie since gamma was vanilla townie.

only other roles in this game: mafia goon and jailkeeper. jailkeeper was killed last night. that leaves mafia goon

maria, it should be clear to you this was a scumslip, but let me know if you need anything more out of me.

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:09 am

if you need more context to situate this in, this is koki’s chain of replies to profii there

In post 389, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 278, profii wrote:
In post 276, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 248, profii wrote:I also have Kokis PM explaination in my mind that he got the reject PM which could be a scum sign
Question. What's a reject PM?
Your partner managed to get first choice, therefore the PM you ended up with was rejected by them
Um? We got both? And I said it didn't matter which game so he chose

i thought this maybe implied you got both alignments, but i was not clear on that, or otherwise it shows you got two different choices, both are negative but the vagueness of your wording made it hard to attribute anything to it

In post 390, Kokichi Oma wrote:Like we got both together? So I dont get what Profil is saying

In post 395, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 393, profii wrote:Same - before I say what happened to me I’ll check with Schadd I can say what I want here
Yeah that's why I was being vague. I didn't wanna get in trouble. But basically we saw the roles at the same time. I said didn't matter which role. So he chose

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:23 am

now, i will show posts where gemini helped me in this game, whereas we have seen 2 cumulative posts from gamma, and conveniently the second one came this day phase in lylo, and the other was to find a player scummy that koki did not want to vote for some reason.

this is thru three pages in my iso, will continue in next post

Spoiler: “gemini’s involvement in this game”

In post 1510, stungun0404 wrote:shoshin is a heavy townread for
gemini
and i!

nsg is a heavy townlean for me, but a weak townlean for
gemini
.

mariar is looking more and more like she’s likely town too.

i like kokichi’s PoE pool, but i’m not sure it makes him town. he’s null, with maybe a slight lean towards town (read nulltown) rn? not sure who he’s scumreading - would feel comfier if i did. plus, he said gamma was sr’ing profii, so idk why koki has not voted there yet

if i’m JK, i used it to protect one of those 4 above last night

everyone not in my main townpool has a decent chance of being scum. scum PoE right now for me would therefore be: kokichi, nicorobin, creature and profii. priority pool is: profii, creature, nicorobin.

if i had to guess i think scum team is profii and nico, though i entered this day phase thinking profii and creature. outside chance of profii and koki fmpov. but one of these three lynch pairings i think probably solves the game.

In post 1574, stungun0404 wrote:good point @rc! and i believe you maria. can’t go wrong with a shoshin + maria + stungun lead wagon with friemds that agree (irrelephant, rc and
gemini
), can you?

seems like no one else has joined the profii wagon this day phase though—but why? especially when the leaders seem to be overall the most townread (with the exception of nsg with shoshin and creature with maria)? where is this resistance coming from?

VOTE: Profii, in connection with the web of scummy posts/scummy lies i caught him in last night phase, and the fact that once again no one could back up the reasoning for townreading him.

seems creature wagon wouldn’t go anywhere, anyway! i’d bet all of scum are in the pool of {profii, kokichi, creature and nicorobin}. main question is which among you are town?

In post 1640, stungun0404 wrote:i already did earlier

gemini thinks profii is scum last time i checked

she finds nsg a light townlean

she thinks shoshin is town—we both agree here

creature —> most recent read, had to look back, but she said creature might be town

she thinks profii + nico scum team is likely if nsg is indeed town.

she thinks profii’s 361 is especially scummy

she thinks kokichi made a scummy action somewhere—so i will take that as a possible scumlean there.

last time she talked about maria/rc was awhile ago, but at the time a scumread.

so lots of scum indications is kinda reflective of the current gamestate unfortunately. town needs to town it up for real!

In post 1671, stungun0404 wrote:hmm, well i think if a gamestate exists here where kokichi is scum then by consequence maria would probably be scum just because of multiple instances of chainsaw defending in that case. i similarly remember one with rc when i was initially made into a lynchwagon d1. i can see the need for chainsaw defending to occur in a game with only 2 scum.

keep this for later!

in the meantime, i’ll consult gemini about what townpinged me about profii enough not to hop right back on his wagon, and see if she agrees with the things i noticed.

In post 1672, stungun0404 wrote:profii, bad news, gemini still finds you to be scummy after i recalled what i remembered changing my stance on you over.

good news, i’m not voting you yet. i’ll allow you to answer a question first!

say you had the ability to give a power role (let’s just go with an ability to jailkeep for convenience) right now to one of two players — maria or kokichi — which one are you picking and why?

In post 2329, stungun0404 wrote:i’ve been frustrated that people are still considering me being scum, and so is gemini, so wake up people.

can somebody genuinely look into my d1 again, and interactions with creature, shoshin and aronis from both sides of the townplayers and my own angle and tell me how it makes sense that i am scum right now? because without that, you guys won’t have the proper frame to townread me.

also note that of the players on the d1 wagons of me that reached L-2, only shoshin has been eliminated from the game. that leaves mariar’s slot, kokichi’s slot, nico’s slot and profii’s slot. in other words, everyone but nsg. so you’d have to conclude my partner would have been secure with letting me be taken to L-2 or that town centered around my wagon.

In post 2402, stungun0404 wrote:@koki: there are far more town markers from profii fmpov then from maria, they all pretty much involve things i don’t see scum doing. i don’t see scum vacillating every single one of their reads so often in a game like this, because that is hard to fake, unless he just purposely playing scummy as scum. his progressions seem like they could be off-the-mark town, especially in conjunction with the ones that maria has made. like, we need to establish a townclear that is firmly founded for maria for me to see that profii has been playing this way intentionally as scum this whole game.

why is he gunning after me of all players if he is scum right now and i am town? i am probably the hardest to lynch between all of the other 4, all things considered. this does not make sense.

In post 2152, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2150, MariaR wrote:
In post 2149, northsidegal wrote:what am i doing that's making you annoyed? i was just asking why this information doesn't seem to factor in at all for you.

i'm also interested to hear what your kokichi read is now
Nico has done jack shit and doesn't deserve to win and could be scum and I want to vote there but I could be bias so I'm waiting for RC
I get this feeling too ngl
realize that maria completely dodged nsg’s question here about her read on koki. that’s not very towny in mylo.

notice how she voted you last day phase for reasons you felt town her would never come to. that’s a good scum signal!

notice how maria has been referring to rc in like literally half her posts. who keeps up with their partner THAT much?

notice how none of scum pushes have seemed genuine and have instead seemed feigned. and notice how she would be primarily going after lynchbait if she is indeed scum. going for the low hanging fruit

who goes for the nk night 1? i don’t think a profii scum team makes sense there. therefore, if you are town it makes sense maria and nico together are scum.

notice how she has been urging me on to lynchwagons only to back off of them herself because of rc...

notice how she has been dodging so many of the questions i have asked this day phase. why do this as town in MYLO. seems like an excuse to try to survive by not scumtelling much to me.

notice how she took the very first opportunity to a question i asked yesterday of “who here is town”, to say i am! when no one else acted in such a way. if that isn’t lamist-y, idk what is.

notice how feigned her push on creature seemed yesterday, gemini even thought it was odd how she typed it in all caps. it just seemed fake

notice how it doesn’t seem like she has been sorting so much as pocketing, that’s how i feel rn

In post 2565, stungun0404 wrote:it depends on who got first choice in every pair too

can everyone claim that, from maria/rc, to nico/tw, to profii/fl? possibly we can use the other game to figure out if anyone is lying between maria/profii

i took first choice over gemini, fwiw.

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:33 am

i want this game to end in a town victory, so i am putting this in full throttle just to help ensure it does

page 4/5 of my iso

Spoiler: more gemini references

In post 2762, stungun0404 wrote:yeah, even gemini says your vote on me is bs nico.

take that to be both of us that agree you are scum here

In post 2826, stungun0404 wrote:so, koki that is why i was pushing rc so hard d1 when you called it out as bullshit

In post 620, stungun0404 wrote:fuck idk how else to say this. rc was sketchy to us for a reason that’s absolutely unrevealable. both my partner and i agree that we cannot reveal it. find it sketchy - w/e, but the fact that we agree on it is the truth.

there i said it
that’s what this refers to.

i cannot out the scum team in the other game, obviously, or hint to it

also, since i hate scum, when i had the choice i took the town role over gemini in our options and helped her out a bit with the scum role.

In post 2838, stungun0404 wrote:now that i am thinking,

i really really like it actually that maria engaged her partner a lot in this game, it makes it look likelier she is town if i am town since we both handled the opposite game this way. like there was between rc and maria’s game, there was similarly a huge discrepancy between gemini talking about anything i said in her game (1 time) vs. me using gemini several times.

i didn’t give any content for gemini to use for the scum game, except 1 post with reads signed by my name that i just randomly put together lol, and of course helping review some posts. irrelephant tried to ask for more out of me, but i never gave details on my reads, but tbf i was more focused on my play in this game and college work — but would have helped gemini if absolutely necessary there!

thus, this might be important if we are considered the other game as well and trying to hunt scum in it! let us look at fl’s reads in that game to see if profii is mentioned very often

@maria/rc, i apologize for my mistake, let us just rejoice in the fact that nothing came back to haunt us at all and that no one seriously caught onto it

In post 2847, stungun0404 wrote:nice, got some wallposts in my pt from gemini on every player except kokichi! i take that to mean she doesn't really suspect koki that much, but then again the focus of our chat has been on the other 3 players being scummy more so than koki at any particular time.

i'll paraphrase to share some of her thoughts with you guys:

"the majority of nico's iso is just them defending themselves, no real sorting, no genuine reasons as to why they think that you (stun) are scum, only omgus for pressuring nico. if they are town, they are playing a bad game and they are not doing a well enough job to actually sort the stinking game. very dramatic."

first instinct with profii is to ask how he feels about 361 now, and that we know he was flat-out wrong with 1317, then she said if koki and profii are scum together then in 2741 profii would have had to out what koki's scum move would have been, which obviously would have been a bad move at the time, and so my theory there did not hold when i originally proposed it, and now koki/profii is very implausible.

she said 2744 from profii is utter bs because rc defended gemini their entire game together, and they both were obviously the scum team in the opposite game --> really good point there because i did oversee that defense partly, of course!

then a lot to say about maria: "1976 was a bad post -- and i (stun) agree with this -- because it reads as overly dramatic because actual scum would never throw a game like that." another good point imo!
she does not like 2009 either. because if it is true "why make it super obvious in a game w/ one pr only that's jk, a game where no doc exists to save her? gemini would like to suppose maria would keep that to herself and just kill nsg though if she was scum, but recognizes that is also wifom!"

she agrees with profii and maria not being plausible, because of maria's persistent push on profii.

gemini says "2123 from maria is a really good point!"

"2145 is a really good AtE if maria is scum."

In post 2259, MariaR wrote:
In post 2257, NicoRobin wrote:Mislynch me here and I'm never playing with any of you again. I am playing with mastina. mastina is cool. At least she does her homework the way it should be done.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN TRYING TO PLAY THE GAME. You don't get to come in here and say "does there homework" when you're not even playing the god dam game.
from gemini: "A MOOD, i concur with this."

if maria is scum in her opinion, she has done a great job blending in, but recognizes that is not outside her scum range. if she is scum, her AtE's have made it seem like she cares so much about these misslynches while letting town just run itself down.

In post 2851, stungun0404 wrote:gemini says yes, profii and nico seem scummiest to her, but she will be annoyed (and so will i) if it is indeed sth like koki and maria.

Only thing maybe scummy from koki’s slot is this:

In post 40, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 39, Shoshin wrote:Creature's probably town. And if he's not, that'll be pretty clear later.
Pretty much this.

In post 392, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 297, GirlInFreezer wrote:VOTE: creature
Creature doesn't post this much this early as scum, so hes likely town. Even if he isnt he will be easy to find out if hes scum

In post 509, Kokichi Oma wrote:I get both of your points. I'm taking creature to null. I think RC is saying nothing Creature has done is out of his scum range as proven there regardless of multiball
to transitioning to

In post 1659, Kokichi Oma wrote:I dunno. You have been scum with me before.

By the way VOTE: creature
Was it their failure to show their town colors to sort them? or did he take an easy miss lynch here?

In post 1955, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1937, Shoshin wrote:Koki, you're on board with lynching Profii? Do you agree with me on NSG?
Her recent posts have been bad. I think I prefer creature though
then goes to
In post 1957, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: pro

We need to avoid a nl
then

1963 1964 1966 is just them rallying votes on creature.

In post 2398, Kokichi Oma wrote:Yes. Nico and prof have the likely chance of flipping scum. But we need NSG here to get something done.
This is either like..100% positive on who scum is or we're just both off base. Would scum!Koki ever bus a partner that hard?

So, Koki is like default [need to clarify this next part because it seemed like she went for the wrong word - but “scum”] tbh. I don't have anything strong on them.

In post 2868, stungun0404 wrote:from gemini

“does maria realize you would be doing way too much (in a good way) if you were scum here”

further,
“calling bs on pro/stun when you (stun) have been pushing all game for prof’s lynch. if you were scum together, you’d be trying to get your scumpartner killed this entire game. no just no to that.”

In post 2881, stungun0404 wrote:maria, gemini has a really good point with this! you should look at all the mod’s vote counts so far in this game, profii and i have voted each other way too many times to be scum together

In post 2950, stungun0404 wrote:from gemini to profii,

what evidence do you have for conftowning nico?

In post 2957, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2954, profii wrote:
In post 2952, stungun0404 wrote:i must add,

please do it without any references to your claimed alignment because it has been called into question way more by proven townplayers than just about anyone else
You 3 vote NSG and see if Nico hammers... (or me for that matter)

That’s a stupid stipulation at this point
if anything, deflection to questions that require you to seriously prove someone’s alignment is not going to help town wincon right now, and is therefore antitown —> thanks to gemini for helping me think of this!

In post 3294, stungun0404 wrote:and gemini serves up a good point about nico that i am sharing: “unlike nico, you (stun) have actually throughout this game been trying to solve the game!”

my continual effort posts should be proof of that. if there is one thing outside of my scumrange, that is it, along with very consistently posting at a high rate

In post 3304, stungun0404 wrote:koki never gave a definite stance of where he was the last 2 day phases, which worried gemini, but i of course — thinking koki was town — did not question it and rather let it slide

In post 3319, stungun0404 wrote:if i am scum here, why do i even dare risk making a statement conftowning koki last phase? gemini and i had talked and felt that way, but clearly we were wrong

koki is patient, and clearly has the patience to play like he has in this game

In post 3329, stungun0404 wrote:from gemini on koki:

“koki has been sheeping overall voting trends all game, but with no real sorting.” also did not vote no lynch first time we went for no lynch

In post 3330, stungun0404 wrote:also from gemini to koki: “you have had all game, you dragged this out too long with nico. now you are getting to work with pocketing maria to get me lynched.” now, if we have anything to do with this, you will not succeed

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:34 am

let us not mention that both gemini and i prefer town over scum, and indeed gemini was not really engaged with her scum game overall (100 posts the entire game). so, it should not make sense we are scum given that we both have an aversion to it and i have like 950 posts here. why would i be this excited to play a scum role? nonsense.

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:39 am

before this day phase, only 2 gamma references were conveniently in response to my prompt and of course profii was gamma’s biggest scumread, but koki would not join the lynch because he knew it was town but wanted to continue a mislynch wagon going there without him on it.

why else hadn’t koki voted profii at all prior to this?

In post 1516, Kokichi Oma wrote:I'm fine with voting Prof to answer your question, gamma seems to have him as his biggest scumread. I don't see the rush, though.

In post 1707, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1685, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi, aside from the profii is scummy read from gamma, any others you guys have discussed?
I've been away recently. But, that 180 on me after townreading me is scummy. Also hes been scum when I was town so hes seen my town game but only refers to my scum game is weird.

i mean, he finds him scummy himself after all, but still does not vote him

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:46 am

oh, maria wanted one or 2 posts, my bad :-X

i read your post a little quick

i promise i will quit chain posting and in my next post, if i make one, put everything together into one

stungun0404 · Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:25 am

@maria, i have bolded and underlined parts rc could read if you want to engage him for him to figure out i am not scum this game, for it is koki that is scum with nico

i know even in spite of the problems we had in the thread this game that RC would still of course be rooting for town because you are town, and because of that he would want to find scum here, which is not me and therefore is kokichi. he shouldn't want to hand the game to scum just because i would lose along with you guys

Spoiler: the final case

Why is kokichi

scum

?

Kokichi is scum because of the abovementioned scumslip

in 3449, 3450 and 3451 i identified that scum slip that is now clear to me knowing koki is scum and thinking of gamma emerald's flip in the other game

In post 477, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 345, northsidegal wrote:
In post 343, Shoshin wrote:Would Kokichi not play that way as town, NSG?
i would think that kokichi as town would at least be voting someone already or trying to sort people.
Flat out lie. If anything I'm more aggressive as scum.

nsg calls out koki here for not sorting players, but koki takes it as an attack and calls it a complete lie, which looks bad with nsg!town flip precisely for how he handled it. he took it as nsg lying about him not wanting to sort players.

In post 482, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 397, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi: i’m kinda curious, what did nsg hard townread for you in that game where you were scum?
She just said she could read me and that I was clearly town. It was partion mafia [I think that's the name] I can provide link of necessary

i cannot ever remember koki being concerned enough about me voting him to the point of where he wanted to provide a bunch of links as town, which i have played in 2 games where he was town

kokichi has consistently asked for links to supposably look into things, only to not follow up on the links with any analysis, in essence giving empty questions. you can find this scattered throughout his iso.

In post 703, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 692, profii wrote:
In post 681, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: NicoRobin because he's scum
Nah

If NicoRobins scum style is lurking I don’t think she chooses the scum PM
What if both were scum roles then and she had no choice? Why rule out that possibility?

i pointed this out as a bad use of possibility > probability earlier, which was scummy. this can give off the suggestion she had knowledge also that nico had a scum role. it is very unlikely a slot gets double scum

In post 739, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 707, profii wrote:
In post 703, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 692, profii wrote:
In post 681, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: NicoRobin because he's scum
Nah

If NicoRobins scum style is lurking I don’t think she chooses the scum PM
What if both were scum roles then and she had no choice? Why rule out that possibility?
Sure, it could be, I figure it’s not likely
Why?

because it is improbable a slot gets double scum, why question it unless you know nico is scum in one game?

In post 740, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 709, Creature wrote:
In post 705, Kokichi Oma wrote:Shoshin
GirlInFreezer

northsidegal

Creature
NicoRobin

Aronis

profii

stungun0404

This is where I'm at right now. Feel free to ask questions as to why they are grouped as such. g2g for now though.
lol you
Yeah pretty sure that's been my read for like 15 pages or so. Is there a reason you are just reacting to it now? Is it possible you're actually not reading the game and just posting to look busy?

creature very clearly did not think i was scum if he made this post and urged others to get off my lynchwagon at an earlier point, and nsg said creature tends to have good reads

he was right about nico, and he considered koki a possibility as scum.

In post 741, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 728, Creature wrote:Mechanically speaking, we should decide today on:

Lynch target
Jailkeep target (if lynch target flips scum)
Secondary jailkeep target (incase jailkeep target is secretly jailkeeper)
This post is just stating the obvious which I feel scum does just to show they are busy, when it's something that really doesn't need to be said. Why did you feel the need to post this now instead of when the game started?

this post about creature reads to me now as reaching to scumread someone who you think is very obvious as town

In post 761, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 751, stungun0404 wrote:Lol i ask nicorobin to cast a vote and she votes me

What kind of betrayal?

Sad thing is idk if that will be removed. Sad because no reasoning attached to it

Sad that gif, kokichi and profii have all lingered votes on me (voteparked). Including GIF MULTIPLE TIMES. This is frustrating as hell when i am town and fucking sad that only i have been consistently voteparked on like this. Maybe aronis too? But other than i do not think so

only creature nsg and aronis have not been all over me.

I'm not set on you, my reads are weak in general when it comes to scumreads this game.

how the hell do you have weak scumreads in this particular game? because you are stuck pocketing a lot of town, don't want to make a hard push, and by extension want to soften the impact to your own slot of any push that you make

In post 1046, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1021, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi oma, would you prefer a lynch of profii or creature here?
Profil, only because I feel like Creature is easier to read for me.

you pick profii not because he is scummy to you, but because you think you can read creature better. but then you help mislynch creature

and in fact, you choose the creature wagon over profii which could have happened first. and the aronis wagon too! you had two chances to drive the last-minute lynch in the direction of profii, you kept him around likely for the sake of nico.

In post 1056, Kokichi Oma wrote:You always say based on "meta"

don’t know what this was in response to

but you keep repeating that maria is town based on “meta”. oh wait, i see it is in response to me!

In post 1321, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1278, stungun0404 wrote:why is aronis scummier than profii?
I dont like how he wouldn't claim also his lynch lool is quiet big which I think could be from scum

this is a weak push by kokichi on aronis. one scum would make to secure a town mislynch on a player threatening them. remember that aronis strongly suspected nicorobin, whereas profii did not

In post 1496, Kokichi Oma wrote:I'm not even sure what to think right now

In post 1500, Kokichi Oma wrote:I legit dont even know who to vote.

so much hedginess from koki d2

found that post i needed to

emphasize

the towniness of my case! look at who was on which side of this debate, i found nico extremely scummy, koki goes and defends her

important interaction below!

In post 1512, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1467, NicoRobin wrote:@stungun Considering what Creature said,
I believe he is a JK with a guilty on nsg, so I am going there for now.
this post is probably the most antitown thing i have seen in the thread. yuck. i might be convinced to move to your wagon over profii just because of this post

it is absolutely horrifically antitown to out what is potentially your only power role if you think you have a clue as town as to who it is. it goes directly against wincon, so if you’re town you should absolutely think twice before making posts like this.

i’m kinda curious why profii did not call nicorobin out here, given i found a newbie town game for profii where he directly advised against power roles being outed.

In post 1513, Kokichi Oma wrote:To be fair, everyone was thinking it, she just said it. I don't think it was that scummy

In post 1514, Kokichi Oma wrote:If anything, I think mafia just tells their partner in the chat than in here

In post 1706, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1681, profii wrote:
In post 1675, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1653, profii wrote:
In post 1649, Creature wrote:What do you think about Kokichi?
Too scummy to be scum if that makes sense
why?

i can see this reasoning
sometimes
in
some games.
I don't think it's a good idea to apply it here.

In post 1678, northsidegal wrote:by the way, i'm decently confident in these being scum indicative

Spoiler:
In post 1536, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1396, Creature wrote:Kokichi's pretty town this game too

In post 1528, Creature wrote:VOTE: Kokichi Oma
Going to need you to explain this one

In post 1546, Kokichi Oma wrote:Waiting for Creature to explain

In post 1558, Kokichi Oma wrote:Still waiting on creature

In post 1602, Kokichi Oma wrote:Waiting on stun to give his sr
That bit you’ve highlighted is probably a good example. Seemed like he was scared to commit to says my something whilst Creature was about to have an epiphany

Which I agree I’d usually say was scum indicative

Maybe I’m giving Koki too much credit - I played in one shot mafia, I think I replaced into a mulch-caught-scum slot, immeadiatly got lynched and left Koki to fend for himself where he won the game pretty much single handed lay

Which is actually interesting because - Stun started this game with massive fear of me due to my wiki saying I have a high scum win ratio but, whilst it’s true, for that reason, I can’t really take credit for it exactly - it’s a team sport after all

Also, I just lost a scum game so it’s about to drop somewhat

Anyway

I’m pretty sure Stun is town and if Koki flips red Creature/NSG are both clear

I’m sure we could look carefully at the remaining 4 players to see how people sorted Koki to perhaps at least get another town

I’m gonna go with this - I’m purposely not leading a push on anyone because my Aronis read was bad, but if we just flirt with the idea of lynching me for 2 weeks then do it - how do you find my supposed amigo

VOTE: koki
This is a horrible 180

oh yeah, then why not vote profii rather than just pointing it out?

In post 1771, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: creature

Taking advantage of me being vla

wrong

In post 1776, Kokichi Oma wrote:Why the fuck is everyone suddenly so scummy.

everyone is not scummy, then suddenly everyone is scummy, but you are not explaining why you feel that way

In post 1801, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maria
Stungun
Shoshin
NSG
Nico
Profil
Creature

This is my list

convenient, the two most common mislynch wagons you could have secured back to back below your scum partner

In post 2015, Kokichi Oma wrote:I'm just going to reevaluate everyone because Stun's flip on me is very poor. We should have just lynched Nico yesterday I don't know why we let her stay till mylo

and where was that reevaluation exactly? throw in your scum partner, why don’t you, when you helped mislynch creature thinking he was scum when apparently you said he was super clear to read as town.

In post 2016, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maria/RC slot I'm lock towning, because of meta from Maria that I don't want to reveal but she did yesterday when I was testing her.

this read made me feel more unsettled than any other townread in the thread. it read unnatural as fuck to locktown her, and i am seeing that element now again

In post 2055, Kokichi Oma wrote:After all those posts on the previous page, it's a bit weird you're so eager to vote Nico here over Profil.

In post 2056, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maria/RC do you see a stun and Prof team possible at all?

an attempt by kokichi to stir discussion away from nico!scum because i was scumreading nico and demanding a lynch there

In post 2061, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2059, stungun0404 wrote:koki, i want you to look at my d1 shouting match with profii at end of d1 and the degree of my tunnel on him before he distracted me and see if you ever think we are partners yourself.
I've done that with my partner before as scum. We had to be mod warned before (though it was planned)

But, say you're in my position. You see me say how Prof is scum and that we should take awhile before we vote. Then suddenly I start talking about Nico and say "Im tempted to vote nico right now!" would you not in my position be very weary about it?

clearly, i was more all over nico than you were, and of course you use your scumgame with no direct proof to say that i could be scum with profii there; and plus, not everyone would play scum the same

In post 2063, Kokichi Oma wrote:ftr I think it's likely Prof/Nico but I'm just laying everything on the table here since it's MYLO

lol, he was giving serious degrees od consideration to prof/stun, but thought prof/nico was the team. regardless, he wanted profii lynched clearly.

kokichi was the last to vote on D3 in MYLO, which scum anyway usually waits and see what pushes are made. I believe i was possibly the first to vote iirc.

In post 2085, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2081, profii wrote:You were obvs trying to JK bait - I’ve seen you do it before, it’s within your repertoire
So... You've seen me do this as town before. But.. It's NAI because if I'm scum I won't die?

profii thought koki was scum trying to jk bait, which is very plausible

In post 2083, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2080, MariaR wrote:Here's what is going to happen.
I'm not getting lynched.
Stun isn't getting lynched and nsg is the jail keeper.

Me and RC are going to find at least 1 scum in the 3 and NSG will out who she's jailing in the other 2 if Nsg dies they're clear. If scum NK we're at 5 people with 2 lynches and we just lynch the other 2 in order.
In short whoever in town in you 3 will be carried. You're welcome
You forgot to add me into the not being lynched.

ahem, lamist-y actually

In post 2112, Kokichi Oma wrote:I was going to suggest maybe scum just forgot to turn in a kill? But, everyone here has been active but Nico. And I doubt Nico's partner would just forget to make a kill based on all the players here. So I think it was a tactical decision.

yeah, tactically from you, you are certain all of a sudden nico is scum too now but not voting anywhere... not even voting nico

In post 2125, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2118, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2113, northsidegal wrote:pretty much the only reason i can think of for scum to have no-killed is because they either thought that neither of them would be investigated and as such wanted to frame whoever was investigated

or (and this may be unlikely but it's possible) scum thought it was likely that they were targeted by the jailkeeper in a protective manner (i.e. someone would act like a doctor in jailing them or just that the jailkeeper townread them), and so hoped to make it look like they had been shot at and protected
what if it was one scummy player and one towny player on d1? thus, they felt like there was a high chance they would be targeted either way

that would make a maria plus nicorobin team possible. nico was scummy and inactive anyway, but maria was highly townread on d1,
That doesn't make sense for a scummy player since it was unanimous JK should jail to doc

defending the scummy player, aka, ahem, nico

In post 2151, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2148, MariaR wrote:
In post 2147, stungun0404 wrote:koki and nico team
You act like this is impossible
This is the part where you say "it is impossible because Kokichi is town"

lamist-y, “read me as town maria, read me as town, so i can go on and win this game!”

In post 2163, Kokichi Oma wrote:NSG who did you jail last night. Please say me.

why, so you have town credit to use later because nico submitted the kill?

In post 2173, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2172, northsidegal wrote:please don't point out reasons why nicorobin might not be the jailkeeper

serious request

In post 2175, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stun you're better than that, come on.

again, koki goes and attacks me for attacking nico. he wants nico to possibly be viewed as jk because he is scum with nico

i want that possibility eliminated so i have conftown.

different agendas, clearly

In post 2201, stungun0404 wrote:that’s it, i demand a nicorobin lynch today.

In post 2206, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2201, stungun0404 wrote:that’s it, i demand a nicorobin lynch today.
This is Exactly what I'm talking about stun.

In post 2207, Kokichi Oma wrote:Why is prof town?

tries to distract me and everyone away from nico lynch AGAIN!

In post 2209, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2201, stungun0404 wrote:or else, why is there so much defense for her right now?
What defense? I'm pretty sure Maria said she just wants to policy nico. And I said I'm getting the same feeling.

then suddenly, you claim you are not defending nico against me, lmao. what?

In post 2210, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2201, stungun0404 wrote:nico has contributed nothing to our scumhunting agenda as a town faction. that is about as clear scum as you can get at this stage in the game. these defenses of her are insane right now.
You're implying nico does anything as either alignment

you again trying to murky the reads on nico because you are scum with nico

In post 2211, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stun the same thing you were just talking about saying no one is pushing nico. From my point of view it looks like you could just be pushing the easy mislynch.

you continue to linger on attacking me to say i am pushing a mislynch on nico, and yet you said you were the primary advocate of nico lynch d3? get your facts straight, lol!

In post 2212, Kokichi Oma wrote:It was a mistake letting nico stay until mylo which I will never allow again in any game with nico in the future.

why in this one did you allow it? oh yeah, that is right, scum partners

In post 2215, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2203, stungun0404 wrote:actually rc and maria’s combined iso’s seem scummy in the sense that when they were each scumread, they both pulled the defeatist card out so as to encourage town to lynch them and lose the game. gif even voted himself to move voters off his wagon. why have both of them done that if that slot is town? so maybe i don’t demand nico after all, but we need to discuss things over here for sure!

In post 2101, Kokichi Oma wrote:I think scum wanted to frame someone who was likely to be jailed. Whether that be a townread or scumread.
if the framing strategy was used, it would make a lot of sense for nico!scum because she went straight for the JK crumb of creature’s and used that as an excuse to votepark on nsg the entirety of last day phase. so as to try and make it look like she didn’t no-kill, and as though scum had been caught in her eyes
Have you ever played with nico? Serious question.

again, coming to nico’s defense by questioning me over my push on nico with a distracting question

In post 2218, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2213, MariaR wrote:
In post 2212, Kokichi Oma wrote:It was a mistake letting nico stay until mylo which I will never allow again in any game with nico in the future.
Let's lynch her?
I'm thinking on it

why did you have to think before pushing?

suddenly, the next spree of posts in koki’s iso are engaging in arguments with nico, trying to set up a buss. no wonder nico was suddenly out of nowhere so active and productive in the thread that particular afternoon relative to all other days in the game, i was curious about that myself.

In post 2463, Kokichi Oma wrote:Nsg
Maria
Stun
Prof
Nico

suddenly flips on nico in spite of scumreading profii supposably much more in attacks on my decisions throughout the day

In post 2529, Kokichi Oma wrote:Lol stun you're like a rollercoaster. Its funny

of course scum will laugh at me changing stances quite a bit

In post 2663, Kokichi Oma wrote:Going into tomorrow stun if nico flips scum, what's your percentage on who her partner is between prof and maria.

trying to set me in the frame of mind where i do not even consider koki being scum with nico

In post 2782, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2780, profii wrote:
In post 2778, Kokichi Oma wrote:Nico is scum, I'm like 95% sure now
Why!!!!!!
I've said why already like 5 times. Plus, she's blatantly just trying to get a lynch through that's not her or you

profii clearly was not swayed by what koki was saying because koki was tossing out weak arguments in bussing nico

In post 2846, Kokichi Oma wrote:I disagree with that line of thinking. But, regardless think they are town anyway.

fence sit and pocket in one post, why don’t you?

In post 2896, Kokichi Oma wrote:This arguing is pointless. You both are likely t v t

VOTE: prof

I really don't care anymore which gets lynched.

oh yeah,

koki moves nico to prof!

In post 2973, Kokichi Oma wrote:We are all voting Prof now. Unless you're just more confortable with a Nico lynch?

resistance from koki towards nsg wanting nico

he wants nsg to compromise on nico!

but he gives it up in his next post, knowing a nico lynch is inevitable, but it should be clear what his intent was: to get nsg to unvote nico and move to profii

In post 3019, Kokichi Oma wrote:Why are you even arguing with confirmed scum

koki asks this to me
koki had profii as confirmed scum

it was not that strong; way to spin your no kill to your scummy advantage by confscumming profii thru it in order to drive the mislynch there

In post 3022, Kokichi Oma wrote:Ok. UNVOTE:

Prof. I will give you 1 hr from your next post to convince me why you are not scum.

THEN you unvote supposed confscum. why let him convince you he is town and not scum and avoid being on the lynchwagon if he is confscum from your PoV? does not add up. if he is confscum, you don't move off his lynchwagon.

In post 3096, Kokichi Oma wrote:I'm annoyed because the paranoia team I had was prof/stun not nico/stun. Now I have to look into interactions but meta tells me Maria is town here, NSG.

continue to pocket maria!

In post 3220, Kokichi Oma wrote:If you're so certain I'm town then would you be willing to bet the game on it. Yes or no.

lol, koki wants me to mess up here when i am townreading my hard by saying yes, and guess what i said yes and was surprised maria was not scum

let us not forget who did not end the first day we no lynched being on the wagon: kokichi, who again voted there, but moved off because he was scum and saw where this was going.

here is one simple difference between koki and I. take away D1 where nico’s meta had me fooled. where did I ever defend nico once, other than mistakenly townreading her at one part in D3 that I rectified soon after because it was based on poor reasoning of her not pushing on me, you won’t see any of that in my ISO. it is omnipresent d3 in koki's iso, when apparently he said he advocated for nico lynch more than anyone. where did I ever distract away from the Nico wagon? the answer is never.

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:26 am

i have a lot more to say and i guess i will continue to be stunned by scum until maria gives me the go-ahead

easy part is i can transfer it over from my own personal PT to here! #magic

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:12 am

right, so

i am not the one pocketing maria here anyway and that should be clear enough given what went down last day phase and the day before to maria, and given that i have not been clinging to excuses to wait on giving content like koki throughout this game.

now, gemini and i both have a bunch of responses, the tricky part is gonna be paraphrasing what she has said (got it done before maria’s prompt though just in time, ha)!

Spoiler: “Koki waiting

Spoiler: “koki misrep”

maria, please tell me you can distinguish gemini’s tone and my tone and see that this was in fact coming from her.

further, i have 15 credit hours in college right now, I am TA’ing a class, and I am heavily involved with 4 clubs at my campus and I am still managing to make a lot of time for this game because I am town. If I were not, I would cling to every single excuse to stay out of this thread and stay out of involvement, much like Koki “I’m waiting for this, this and that.” i wanted this game to be over a long time ago, and didn’t expect it to coincide with college tbch when I signed up. thus, I would absolutely not be the one no killing here to drag it out further. i am staying up late at night to ensure a). this game is not lost, and b). that i can keep up with all my commitments. i am tired of having to remain in this game and fight for my own slot when i just want this game to end. this is all koki’s doing, and it is because he has the patience to pull it out.

every other scum game i have had, i have made excuses for not being in the thread on occasion and stuck with those excuses. i have not done that here once. I take less excuses seriously as town.

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:13 am

disregard the fact that the gemini spoiler messed up, i did not feel like editing it

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:13 am

me is gemini btw to be clear

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:16 am

koki’s post was hard to quote it, but if you look at it he used that profii vote against me when i explained to him it was a quote and spoiler tag failure yesterday

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:29 am

In post 3363, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2064, stungun0404 wrote:
Spoiler: n
In post 1167, stungun0404 wrote:profii? i think there is a higher chance profii flips scum here than aronis

just look at how that vote wagon changed directions quickly

how easy he hopped on

and i had found this earlier in one of his town games, so i will copy it into here:

quoted from pm’s to myself: fun biz!

“profii does not really seem to be townhunting much this game, which is concerning me

Spoiler: a profii town game on d1
town stances
In post 77, profii wrote:just because I don't proof read and I don't think that's very clear...

Ruby town

SIV scum

In post 83, profii wrote: the bold bit:

I think that so far, ruby, whilst fairly aggressive about it, has been scum hunting,
so lets just call that town for now.

the SIV vote, whilst 3/10, is an easy way to get yourself on a wagon that potentially has legs... oh look I'm L-1

something weird is going on with me flying up to l-1 - I have no idea how that has even happened, so I'll be voting someone on my wagon I think.

In post 102, profii wrote:
I think this is the worsts town game

And Kokis

So I am thinking Una or Siv will be the scum

Una made some weird posts for Una to be fair but I don’t like SIV either
102 posts in, already 3 town stances.

In post 133, profii wrote:Usually I can town hunt pretty easily but there is a lack of players towning it up in this game
he claims to be able to usually townhunt pretty easily, and has already taken 3 stances in that game, and yet claims “there is a lack of players towning it up”. why does it seem to me that he is not taking a similar stance in our game?

In post 142, profii wrote:I’m pretty sure I’ve been criticised in my earliest games for being seen to town hunt more than scum hunt so I find it weird that someone would expect to find a history of me doing it - I kinda assumed site meta is scum hunt or die

Anyway. TW - our only other game I think was the mafia month game where I was scum. Why do you think this is my scum game again? I think this is your paranoia game because town lost that game I mentioned
claims he is a townhunter more than a scumhunter as town

In post 151, profii wrote:Well I think Mr Otter can be town, that’s good
another stance, and we are only 151 posts in

In post 387, profii wrote:
In post 371, the worst wrote:
In post 345, profii wrote:
In post 344, MariaR wrote:Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1
Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst
what do you dislike about it profii?
in detail pls
I think I was just baiting to sort you - concluding you are town for now

In post 394, profii wrote:Kokis town we can do a new wagon now guys
that is 4 players

In post 399, profii wrote:
In post 395, the worst wrote:kinda feel like Performer is too unaware to be scum like their reading comprehension is well thru the floor
I was literally just trying to think of the best way to phrase

“Sometimes players use bizarre logic and appear scummy to me, but they are just town that play in a way I don’t comprehend”

As that + what you said is my thought on performer rn

that is 5 players and we are only 395 posts into the game

In post 464, profii wrote:
In post 231, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 228, profii wrote:i am not a fine lynch
damn that cute dog.

UNVOTE:

we get to a few more pages and i'll actually attempt to put effort in i guess.

In post 425, Tchill13 wrote:I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?
so I feel like maybe i was in tchills lynch pool the whole time,
koki is probably town
and tchil is adding fuel to any passing wagons to see if they go through (i.e. mafia win-con remove any town)

In post 530, profii wrote:I know that me being really weak but now the wagon has momentum let me see.
Dunn:
ruby / worst / tchil / koki / azurit / Lucky Otter.

now let's just look at some of the prev. wagons at their peaks

profii (5):
Kokichi Oma, the worst, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, SIV36

koki:
maria / profii / performer / SIV / TChill

the dunn wagon is
mostly
TRs, id say luckyotter is one of my stronger town reads maybe

My gut instinct is I don't TR Tchill and he appears on all the wagons, this is making me think 'any lynch will do for scum' sort of vibes. But again, it's quite simple, scum don't give themselves away like that.
sorting wagons and explaining why he cannot quite townread tchill.

In post 660, profii wrote:urgh

LuckyOtter is like my biggest town read and tchill is my biggest scum read.

someone else can do it
not messing around before night phase where he is killed n1. he is messing around here however
”

my instinct is telling me profii is flipping scum here. thus, i heavily favor lynching him. little-to-no townhunting in this game = high chance of him flipping scum. need to investigate his scumgames really quickly, but i am pretty damn sure i want this lynch right now. ARONIS HOWEVER HAS BEEN TOWNHUNTING TO AN EXTENT off memory.
VOTE: Profii

you tell me if you ever think these interactions are ever s vs. s in a game with a jailkeeper that can function as a cop with only one scum with the majority of these being on d1 and a few early d2. remember also that profii vote lingered on me early d1. so you’d have to believe we have been bussing each other from the get-go in that case.

should not even be a question, i wouldn’t buss with that type of power role possibly coming after me after his flip, especially if i am all alone and a townplayer would potentially be cleared in addition.
Also caught you in a lie about not vote hopping on day 3 on town too. You tried to push on everyone and found something that stuck.

I’m fixing this because it messed up, this is what koki used in his case to try and prove i am scum. he used a vote that i clearly explained to him was a quote tag failure. he used that against me as vote hopping on d3. why does town do that when they are supposably invested as much in the game as much as koki? that is lying

i explained it here against koki,

In post 2073, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2069, Kokichi Oma wrote:Why would you vote there? Stun you're acting weird af right now.
that was a messed up quote. read everything that’s there and you will see that

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:38 am

gosh darnit, all the post tags messed up in that big post and will instead link to my pt

there were over 100 post links in that one post, and i do not feel like fixing them all

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:41 am

wait no there is 26, but lol when i searched with find in my browser, more than 100 results showed up and i would not have been surprised if i linked to that many

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:15 am

lol, koki look i can tear down your entire argument for stun!scum in a heartbeat because it is very weak, at best

i am not letting you win this. i think you have played tremendously, but this is where your scum stunt comes to an end

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:42 am

gemini and i have 22 pages in our PT, which I would hazard a guess would beat most groups. in that regard, it would not make sense if we both hate scum to have made 22 pages, but no it's because we were gamesolving for one game and not gamesolving for the other. proof lies in the only response where gemini uses my name in her game is because irrelephant asks for my reads and i give no thoughts on top of that, just strict reads with 1 single scum read on town tw, this allowed gemini to switch wagons due to me

mentions in our pt of koki i will cover later, it is extensive

and gah, after d1 we were kinda on to nico and koki being scum because of the slow day phase, but never really committed to that train of thought. we thought they were intentionally slowrolling their votes--at least one of them anyway

gemini thought koki was scummy though i will say for wanting the jk to out themselves on d2, which i mentioned as koki's scummy action thru gemini's eyes on d3, but never actually revealed the scummy action until now

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:56 am

In post 1380, Kokichi Oma wrote:JK should claim if they jailed someone imo

actually, gemini was right.

what the hell was this as your first post on d2 after a no kill with 2 scum remaining, when you clearly said parroting me that jk should doc if 2 scum remain, and cop if 1 scum remain, in essence.

you wanted the jk outed, even though they had no clear. this is extremely scummy now that i see it from this angle

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:57 am

and plus, that is right after performing the no kill

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:17 am

i was viewing nico as early jk option in my pt with gemini, would explain i was defending her too. paraphrased,

“i think nicorobin might perhaps be jailkeeper in my game

just did a quick meta dive on her and she tends to post very little in games where she has power roles, so i am thinking that is an option

need to review her scum games though”

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:03 am

if koki supposedly lead towards the lynch on nico, then why did i beat koki both times the nico wagon took majority onto there?

koki was scum that was only willing to vote later on the lynch, and is using that he lead today as evidence against me... that is bs

In post 2700, schadd_ wrote:
Spoiler: both of them fucking golden berried after i beat them twice

Vote count 3.5

NicoRobin (3):
stungun0404, MariaR, Kokichi Oma

Kokichi Oma (1):
NicoRobin

MariaR (1):
profii

not voting (1):
northsidegal

with 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. day 3 ends september 15th at 17:15 central US time; in (expired on 2018-09-15 18:15:00)

mod notes
phone vc
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In post 3005, schadd_ wrote:
Spoiler: i noticed this and took a screenshot of it on two separate occasions so im including it again

d3 final vc

NicoRobin (4):
northsidegal, stungun0404, Kokichi Oma, MariaR

stungun0404 (2):
profii, NicoRobin

not voting (0):

with 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:05 pm

what about my content has been repeated? that’s a strange interpretation. these gemini stances are original, these nico jk thoughts are original, along with like basically all my other content on this last page and through this game.

i want this game over because i didn’t want it interfering with college in the first place, it’s rather unfortunate that it did because i knew it would take up a lot of my focus

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:25 pm

maria, why would i push you so hard last day phase if i was scum that knew you were town, and why would i not pocket you, rather than getting distracted away from your prompts to engage you, given lylo was bound to happen between koki-you-me? i legitimately thought you were scum and koki was town, it is hard for me to fake a situation like that as scum and get away with it

now, @maria, i will give you two options, you tell me which one you would prefer. i can either a). summarize gemini and my pt in terms of observations we made in this game, or b). i can directly attack kokichi’s scum case on me by providing evidence for why it is bad

i think you would prefer number two, but let me know if you prefer differently!

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:28 pm

OK, let me attack that one giant case Koki made on me, and every single point in it is attackable fmpov in fact. like it was bad fmpov

3459 is where it is at (promise you this link and all subsequent ones in this post will work)!

i am doing a mathblade here and responding within the quote with bold and underline.

In post 3459, Kokichi Oma wrote:Okay, so this is going to be my final post as to why Stun is scum (even though you should have already seen the reasonings from my earlier posts), I'll be sure to go more in depth so you are 100% without a doubt sure that he is mafia here. I'm going to go based on the mindset of trying to find scum, and not with the mindset that he is already confirmed to me. So I'll be as unbias as I possibly can.

ok, let’s see what you manage to do!

Spoiler: Final case for Stun being scum
In post 660, stungun0404 wrote:Tell me... Did this post make you feel insulted
viewtopic.php?p=10221796#p10221796

if so, I guess I can try to make up for it for by L-2ing myself now and going to sleep for the night

VOTE: Stungun

In post 675, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 654, stungun0404 wrote:@nicorobin: can you please place a vote down somewhere? tia

In post 666, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Stungun
Thanks, I guess? Lol.

I think your odds of being scum are slightly higher now. Last time I was asked to lay a vote down somewhere was when I was scum and I laid it down on the player that asked me since they asked me to vote.

So nicorobin might be scum. Idk how to interpret this

In post 681, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: NicoRobin because he's scum
In this part of the game, he was beginning to get votes on him. Look how Nico votes him for no reason and the awkward response and 'scumread' he quickly lays on Nico to try and distance. It's lamented with the fact that he has the only reason for scumreading her was because Nico laid her vote on him, yet in the same breath stats that 'she
might
be scum' and he's unsure. It's safe to ask Nico to vote him here because he knows that one of the votes on himself is his own vote, and he can always unvote. In the event that he was eventually lynched, he used this as a setup to where Nico would be able to say that she can't be teamed with him because of the fact that Stun was trying to 'push' (even though he wasn't) her lynch by voting her, and in the same token voting him. I think this can be seen as distancing, but I'll look and see what else I find in terms of these two.

so you say stun is scum because nico votes me on D1 to encourage my burgeoning lynchwagon to continue, when you also joined that lynchwagon with very little reasoning. and you also wrongly identify which stage of the game i started to get votes, in fact i had been put to L-2 before that, and on this second rendition you and nico both bs vote me. i have already identified scum tend to push me as a mislynch option, as creature and nsg both joined my wagon in lynchpin mafia where i was lynched d1. i tend to be an easy townplayer for scum to settle on. the fact that neither you nor nico had no strong reasoning, and you guys made few other pushes, should be pretty alarming. so within context, that scumread makes sense. as town, you are unsure who is scum. what is scummy about saying someone might be scum (dammit i pushed this against rc one game where we both were tow and he is gonna hate me for saying this). why do i ask nico to vote me d1 in a game with 2 scum and a jk? should seem unlikely. it’s not safe when a). profii (town) had voted me, b). shoshin (town) had voted me at one stage, c). gif (town) had voted me at one stage, and d). you, koki, were now on my lynchwagon. given 4 votes there, why does nico add a 5th when technically town could lynch me d1 and nico of all players would be left to fend for herself? sure, i set up nico to coast afterwards when all she fucking did was give an empty vote and, i hardly even went hard against her at all. and it came off perhaps awkward because i could not genuinely determine her alignment, given she had posted so few times, i was not all that convinced. her response to my question by voting me, above all, is what scumpinged me. you did the exact same thing of not voting nico when she was voting you, so it would be wise to watch where you are pushing. further, sure i let a known lurker scum partner votepark on me d1 in this setup!

so basically, your push against me there is stun is scum because a). nico votes me for no reason and i scumread her for it (when in fact it was that response to my question — a vote on me — that scumpinged me); it is unlikely scum that is distancing gives no reasoning for a vote, so that is bs b). contradicting degrees of my scumread on her (this is attributable to her low content). c). you posit i am scum because i asked nico to lay a vote down on me in my scum pt because it is “safe”. it’s very unlikely somebody asks their scumpartner d1 to vote them and stay on them unless they think they will be lynched. why did i think i would be lynched? d). you posit that i used it to setup nico. how do you setup nico? she doesn’t case stuff in depth, and sure as hell my faction would be probably screwed in that case with nico left alone in a game with a jk. further, you use against me my own vote, but only did i use that after both you and gif hopped off my wagon, so that too is bs in context. finally, notice the choice of wording, you say “i think this can be seen as distancing.” well, if you were town here you would be convinced and say this is distancing.

But in terms of reads. Lets backtrack slightly, look at the time between these posts. Less than 200 posts. Look at where he places Nico on his reads list at this point in the game.

In post 468, stungun0404 wrote:shoshin you think profii is townier than me? you townread me in an earlier post on like page 14 or 15 and never explained your reason why. but why is it?

my reads are still consistent, and if anything similar reads are super duper strange this early in the game in a nine player game that supposedly has a bunch of players that are hard to sort

stungun, shoshin
nicorobin (go meta her replace out games and scum games and you’ll see why i think this)
kokichi
aronis
creature
nsg
profii

your case shoshin had me convinced on profii-scum. if i have not changed at all, i don’t understand what has made you do so, but it’s strange

i’m going to bed tho here shortly, cuz i have to get up early. be back tomorrow

and also will reevaluate things and try to make some more substantive posts either tomorrow or the following day
He places Nico as one of his top townreads and uses meta to defend that. (Which is interesting in itself because that's what Nico used to defend herself too. It's possible they discussed this in scum chat as a way to be able to defend her.

So how is that by Nico placing one vote on him, does it swing Nico from a top townread to his number one scumread? Especially when he says that his reason for townreading her was meta based. Why would her vote change his read on her if the basis on his townread on her had to do with replace-out meta. This furthers my reasoning to think that this was a late distancing attempted because Stun feared that he would be lynched at this point in the game.

basis of koki’s push against me here: stun is scum because nico is one of his top townreads (a). i thought she was jk, and b). she had low content. i had just replaced into a nico!town game with similar content that i correctly identified as town. what gives? given your defenses of nico, you have less of an appropriate excuse to go to, as is evidence because there is no explaining it from your angle. koki says stun is scum because nico also used her meta to defend herself. well, obviously she used it comparatively a lot more, i only used it d1 while thinking she was jk and while heroes wanted mafia was ongoing where i replaced in for nico!town slot, so why does that make me likely scum? stun is scum because it is possible nico and stun discussed this in scum chat as a way to defend her — why is that any more possible than correctly identifying a town game of nico’s and replacing in for it because of such (i literally admitted that exact thing in heroes wanted; i can prove it and i flipped town), wrongly thinking the lurking trait was towny (which i rectified later)? stun is scum for changing from 2nd biggest townread to biggest scumread. her vote on me was scummy af, i asked her to lay a vote down when she was the only player that had not done s, and she votes me, the main wagon of early in the day, for no reason at all. given i had mislynch potential, what does not make that extremely scummy fmpov, knowing that i even did that myself in a recent scum game (newbie 1875-- i talked about this in 124 interestingly in response to your early rvs wagon which i did not join)? stun is scum because her vote changed his perception when his townread on her had to do with replace-out mafia (sure, again, i had just replaced in for nico townslot where she replaced out, so clearly that makes me scum for judging from such miniscule content that she was a townlean; it wasn’t even a serious townlean). stun is scum that had distanced from nico because he thought he would be lynched that day phase. right, my scum game has never got lynched on d1 except in one very odd marathon game, and on the first day of replacing in for a slot doomed by nsg’s meta, so it is very unlikely that i would think for a second as scum i am going to get lynched d1. i am not easy to lynch as scum. i don’t have a serious fear of getting lynched as scum, only as town do i.

In post 751, stungun0404 wrote:Lol i ask nicorobin to cast a vote and she votes me

What kind of betrayal?
The wording of this post rubs me the wrong way, because if you think about it. What is the betrayal? Like, betraying someone is when you have an alliance with them. Not for someone you supposedly 'scumread' at that point in the game. I think this can be seen as a pseudo-slip in terms of perspective slip, but I admit this is minor so I'll keep looking.

stun is scum because he says nico betrayed him; well —> if i ask her to lay a vote down with the word please, and she votes me, is that not backstabbing me and thus betraying me, especially if she was to be town? I did not know her alignment.

In post 792, stungun0404 wrote:my early impression is scum is in kokichi, gif, and profii. will challenge that when digging into their iso's here shortly. i am going from least posts to most posts currently to form reads.
Very interesting that he magically drops his scumread of Nico when he realizes that people might start to unvote him. Notice that his is less than 100 posts after he called Nico scum for voting him and because of the betrayal. No need for him to push on his partner when he sees Profil can be a viable lynch candidate and myself at the same time. He also threw RC in there because I believe this is the point in the game where RC started to self vote, which could have netted him the mislynch that he was desperately searching for.

stun is scum because he dropped his scumread of nico when he realized that people might start to unvote him. umm, well i just fact checked that and i moved off of nico to vote you kokichi, so why does that make me scum when i am sitting in lylo here with you and you are the scum fmpov? in fact, i was tunneling titus!scum hard in heroes wanted mafia and moved off her to creature suddenly and he was also scum. so, yes i will move off scumreads to other scumreads, and also nico was way lurkier d1 than you and this cannot be contested, so obviously if i scumminess in you it would more likely dominate over nico’s scumminess in the few posts she put together. you mention profii, but i went squarely for your lynch after nico’s, so what are you pushing there? gif otoh at that point was the one that went for profii, so this is a misrep. stun is scum because he went for rc because rc started to self-vote, which could have helped him mislynch. this is a bad reach, because it was because of the double scum suggestion that i was scumreading gif, and why go for gif over an easier mislynch like aronis or profii, even with the self-vote? he was still townread by everyone except profii. it would therefore be very unlikely that would be where i push for a mislynch. the unsettledness of my reads should also suggest i was not desperately searching for a mislynch, especially when i hard town-defended aronis before joining his wagon at the end with the hammer.

In post 882, stungun0404 wrote:lololol

but i’ll compromise with an aronis lynch if we must. just think there are plentiful options i’d prefer to him

but aronis, why don’t you enter the thread here and help us out?

In post 910, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Creature

if gif is town, creature is likely scum imo

In post 911, stungun0404 wrote:what makes kokichi town in this game though? it’s unsettling me a bit to try and decipher how others are forming that read

In post 913, stungun0404 wrote:actually VOTE: aronis

i’m kinda over this day phase tbch, and just want a flip

L-2
Notice how in all of these posts he seemingly makes a case that he can lynch everyone who we know is town at this point in the game. He started with just Me, RC and Profil as his lynch targets but then tries to setup an association that Creature and RC both can't be town, which would make it easier for him to mislynch the other later on.

stun is scum because on d1 he votes for several players we now know are town. very obviously, we know you are town koki, right? you include yourself in this case! stun is scum because he tries to set up an association that creature and rc can’t both be town. actually, it is likelier that i thought the way rc was pushing creature and the way creature reacted was likely (emphasis on me using the word likely) suggestive of t vs. s. gif given the way they pushed one another.

In post 924, stungun0404 wrote:@shoshin, why is creature out of your pool? i would likely replace nico with creature. i can prove that nico lurks out of town games —> is this an excuse for them, no? but it likely means nico is town this game

lurkiest games for nico in terms of posts:
be yourself mafia (nico robin is prodded twice and replaces out with 5 posts from february 8th-11th); alignment —> town
flip here (note gamma emerald was the second replace-in for nico’s role): viewtopic.php?p=10000155#p10000155

micro 774 (7 posts from Jan 30th to february 10th after replacing in for a slot); alignment —> town
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=74725&user_select%5B%5D=31019

micro 811 (nico makes 2 posts in one day then replaces out with no prods) —> alignment town
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76496

newbie 1870 (makes 4 posts in one day as SE before the worst replaces nico) —> alignment town

speaking of which, it looks like nico has a serious tendency of replacing out of town roles, so maybe that is where i have been getting that impression from

yippee, i found a town game where nico was seriously invested! 416 game related posts from may 2nd, 2018 to june 14th, 2018. = why can’t nr do that consistently? 416/44 = roughly 9.45 posts per game day. kokichi was in this game as scum, so that can uphold what he threw out earlier in his perspective of nico being lurkier as scum.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76071&user_select% ... &start=400

mini theme 2008: both kokichi and nico were scum; first scum game for nico i can trace back to!
96 posts from april 30th to may 26th = 96/27 = just under 4 posts per game day, but a sort of consistency in keeping up with the thread in this scum game. therefore, kokichi’s statement of concern re: nico being lurkier as scum appears more valid from his perspective having seen the games they have been and considered them based off number of posts.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76100

maria’s anime binge mafia: which included all of kokichi, nicorobin, and i. kokichi and nicorobin were town, and on my alt i was a scum replace-in for nsg in this game. this game also involved a town creature, so this might be worth studying up on, although it is a large theme.
nicorobin: 18 posts from may 3rd to may 18th; alignment —> town
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75978

touhou ucanpick5 mafia; nicorobin —> town replace-in and replace-out —> 1 post on april 12th
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75489&user_select%5B%5D=31019

mini 2000: 4 posts in 2 days by nicorobin, including one calling for a replace-out
alignment —> town
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=75505&user_select%5B%5D=31019

kokichi seen a less lurkier town game of nico’s in grand idea mafia, so again further to his credit
Now, this post pings drastically. Look at the effort he gave to try and prove that Nico is town here based on meta again (a theme we are starting to seem form with both Stun and Nico trying to prove their innocence based on meta.) Also something to remember later on is that if he was so convinced that Nico replaces out during her town games, why did he not push on Nico harder in the latter part of the game when she was still in the game and had not replaced yet? Since his whole read on her was 'meta'

stun is scum because he put a lot of effort to prove nico is town based on meta. i did this because i thought there was a serious chance nico was jailkeeper; that is the entire motivation behind this post. stun is scum because he proved his innocence based on meta → well you tried to as well, koki, don’t act like you are innocent there. stun is scum because he did not push on nico harder in the latter part of the game when she was still in the game and had not replaced yet, and he townread her off replace-out meta. well, i forget some of the posts i make tbh, i did not even think of that -- but it is funny you expect me to! a player not replacing out is NAI in general. stun is scum because his whole townread on her was based on meta. my whole, honestly later forgotten read on nico was that she was town if jk. she is not the easiest player to sort, but there is some games where she seriously alignment spews. don’t act like she is in pushing against me.

In post 970, stungun0404 wrote:profii claimed vt.

who here believes him? i genuinely do not believe he finds me to be the scummiest player on his wagon

and he is getting ON me for starting gif’s wagon, when he followed it?

In post 986, stungun0404 wrote:creature’s votes today: aronis and profii

In post 987, stungun0404 wrote:in fact, VOTE: creature

i am thinking he is scum here actually

he hates waiting for mislynches, and so votes as scum to add to town mislynches

he did this in lynchpin mafia. he is doing it here again with now both aronis and profii
He had his top scumread to L1 and he decides to unvote? I think it's possible that based on the first quote he got a claim from Prof and ultimately decided that he could push on Creature and try to get another claim/mislynch as he could still hunt for JK with more knowledge of a Creature claim as well.

stun is scum because he moves off his top scumread d1. what, where did i state that firm commitment of top scumread being on profii up to that point in the game?- what a misrep! it was later in D1/start of D2 he was my top scumread. stun is scum because… it’s possible he got a claim from prof and decided to push on creature and try to get another claim/mislynch as he could still hunt for JK with more knowledge of creature claim as well! -- or i found creature scummy, lol? this one isn’t a bad point, i’ll give you that though! still, what is not JK hunting about your first post D2 when there was a no kill? that one looks scummier fmpov obviously, but it should to maria too when there would be no clear based off the strategy you echoed from me. what, then, is the town sense of having the JK claim there?

In post 1345, stungun0404 wrote:it’s been awhile since i have had the hammer vote, haha. this must be 2016 all over again!

VOTE: Aronis

i will pray this flips scum, though my gut is screaming differently.

i really think he will flip town

prove me wrong, scumhunting overlords!
This post in general just screams to me as someone knowing Aronis will flip town and pretending not to know their alignment

stun is scum because the post above screams to koki that i am someone knowing aronis would flip town and pretending not to know their alignment. well, koki, you conveniently disregard my 1333 where i do an extensive meta dive into aronis, and think he is likelier to be town, and the consistency of my townread there throughout the day phase, and the fact that it is near deadline when I cast this vote--so it is out of panic too and the seeming case that no one else will compromise anywhere.

((Just so you know, I'm extremely tired right now so I'm going to rush through this as I need to be up in 6 hrs))

In post 1517, stungun0404 wrote:you know what maria, let’s do it!

VOTE: NicoRobin

In post 1547, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Profii because there is no logically backed reasoning that’s been addressed for anyone townreading him here, and that is usually a good sign a player is scum.

@profii, your dog (if that is your dog) is unbelievably cute, but that won’t save you from a lynchwagon

nico and profii are both scummy, shoshin. i’d honestly prefer a profii lynch though because he’s been more consistently scummy overall, and plus if he just so happens to flip town we have a lot more info to work with. i personally did not have much to work with regarding the aronis townflip because i expected it to happen, but i read back nonetheless and found profii still to be the scummiest player. even after resetting my reads and starting from scratch
At this point in the game, you can tell that Stun has a habit of voting Nico and then a page later quickly moving onto someone else to vote. Even after these posts, he votes Creature when he stated that Nico and Prof were his 2 biggest scumreads. I think he is still trying to get Creature to L1 to get a claim out of him, since he knows Nico is his partner and that Prof already claimed VT.

stun is scum because he has a habit of voting nico and then a page later quickly moving onto someone else to vote. wrong, i find a player that is scummier within the present while nico continues to lurk, and i am indeed distracted by that player just like many others tended to stay off nico on the whole, because they were also distracted. what makes me any different? stun is scum because he votes creature when he stated that nico and prof were his 2 biggest scumreads. wrong, i vote him because i observe a comment he made in his scumgame--heroes wanted--and find it super scummy that he did it here and also in other scum games in his meta, but zero such town games that i could find! when you find a tendency that seems to be backed by meta as a certain alignment, why would you not be concerned that person would similarly do it if you see it again? that last part is subjectively wrong from your perspective because you know you are scum pushing on me, but w/e.

In post 1859, stungun0404 wrote:i have a bad feeling about a nico lynch if i am being utterly honest at this moment in time. i think if it townflips we have little info to go off of
Another instance of soft defending his partner whenever Nico was brought up in the game or showed up. If you notice he seemed way more focused on calling a lot of people scum this game, but whenever Nico was brought up, he would give a reason as to why she could be town by meta or that he has a 'feeling' she will flip town.

stun is scum because he soft defends his partner here and does this whenever nico is brought up in the game or showed me. you defended nico, koki, when i was scumreading her a few times, so what are you pushing when i simply just have a feeling the lynch might be bad for town? stun is scum because he seemed way more focused on calling a lot of other people scum, but whenever nico was brought up, he would give reason for why she can be town on meta or that he has a feeling she will flip town. this is one of the falsest points i have seen all year, i defended her with her meta once because i thought she was jk, i used it against her later when i discovered something new--aka that scum-tipped me d2 when i saw her one micro-sized game. i also only said i felt she would flip town once. you are pushing two things that i said one time, and neither of which are scum-indicative. and yet, you managed to defend nico d3 yourself when your wincon was near quite a few times. isn’t that the day i should have been defending her if i was scum with her? oh, i only did that once, and i gave the reasoning of she is scum because she is not pushing. that would not help a scum partner out at all, because it is tenuous at best.

In post 2017, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2011, stungun0404 wrote:i want a kokichi lynch as of rn. i would have probably killed kokichi if i were scum because i would have thought she was the jk just from reading the thread. i took a mental note of that as soon as i saw that
Also this post is shady. You say yesterday you thought I was JK? Then why did you try to get me lynched yesterday?
Here I caught him in a slip. He stated that all of yesterday he thought that I was Jailkeeper, yet he insisted that I be lynched whenever my name was brought up. Why would he try to get his jailkeeper read lynched? And why is he looking for jailkeeper at that point in time so much?

stun is scum because look at me, i caught him in a slip. you claim you caught me in a slip, i informed you the next post, you never even acknowledged it. in fact, i did not think you were JK until after the creature lynch had occurred and well after I voted you that day phase, when you made that “if I was JK” post, because i thought it was meant as wifom to convince scum you were not jk, but in fact was doing a terrible job at doing that by implying you being JK (because no one else had made a statement like that, and maria said you were making the jk obvious, which then clicked to me). i was not voting you while thinking you were the jailkeeper, I was voting thinking you were scum. therefore, you did not catch me with anything, and clearly maria is not going to scumread me over that. stungun is scum because he is looking for the jailkeeper at that point in time so much; bullshit -- you wanted the JK to claim at the start of D2 so you could kill them N2 with you and nico off the hook from being JK’d. obvious strategy on your part.

In post 2019, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2016, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maria/RC slot I'm lock towning, because of meta from Maria that I don't want to reveal but she did yesterday when I was testing her.
that locktown read makes me feel unsettled though. ugh :-/

i don’t think i trust maria right now either. help me find some reason to, at least!

primarily i suspect {koki, maria, profii} rn.
Interesting that he would leave out Nico even though he would constantly vote her momentarily. It's clear that he was trying to drive a mislynch while subtly just saying Nico could be scum without ever actually hard pushing her as scum.

stun is scum because it is interesting that i left out nico even though i constantly voted her momentarily. why is it likely i leave my partner out when i only want a single mislynch? it is unlikely i do so, and for the record my first vote was nico, and i found all 4 of you scummy and could not sort who was actually town and incorrectly settled on you. stun is scum because it’s clear he was trying to drive a mislynch while subtly just saying nico could be scum without ever actually hard pushing her as scum… this assumes you are not scum -- which we both know is bullshit. this assumes also that i doubted nico over the other 3 players, who all were super scummy to me; i scumread gif d1 hard and koki d1 hard after looking for townreads; i also was all over profii end of d1/late d2. plus, nico had a scarcity of votes and presence to account for from my perspective, so why wouldn’t she be a mislynch option too that scum could push in MYLO? both profii and nico seemed like potential scum mislynch options to me, if they were indeed town.

In post 2050, stungun0404 wrote:all of nico’s votes: stungun —> aronis (conftown) —> nsg (likely jailkeeper)

what is town about this voting pattern? answer: absolutely nothing. so nicorobin can very well be scum here. did not move off nsg at all last day phase.

In post 654, stungun0404 wrote:@nicorobin: can you please place a vote down somewhere? tia

In post 666, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Stungun
responds to voting prompt by voting me, which is scummy. why as town vote the person asking you to vote directly, and rather go for someone you explicitly find scummy.

puts me at l-3. lingers on my vote wagon even as i am put to L-2, which at that point gif and kokichi hop off my wagon, but nico stays on supposedly clinging to her town meta excuse. she finally pops up when aronis starts to scumread her to vote aronis who was classic lynchbait.

responds to creature’s supposed jk and votes nsg, but never moves off her while both creature and profii eventually change vote wagons even while creature claimed he was not jk. she’s just looking for excuses to linger on vote wagons, i don’t like it and it looks very antitown.

also, i don’t like that nico’s only townread was placed on profii, when i asked her about it d1. why profii? his tone apparently? well that’s how i felt about aronis but nico went and led a lynchwagon there on d1 so i don’t want to trust nico here unless she can produce something more substantial.

question is: does nico!scum ever vote for a partner in a game with only one partner? next research topic for sure! if not, then we can fairly safely assume that she’ll flip scum.
Speaking of which, he does it once more. Pretending to case her, but strangely enough does not lay a vote on her. And doesn't bother to put her in his lynch pool.

stun is scum because he pretends to case nico, but strangely enough does not lay a vote on her. lmao, you also did not lay a vote down on her when you caught her in a lie, so what are you using against me here? stun is scum because he did not bother to put nico in his lynchpool. lol, this is weak! town can be horribly misguided: case in point → profii this game. he thought shoshin was scum, he thought creature scum, he thought aronis was scum, he thought maria was scum, he thought everyone but himself was scum at some point.

In post 2205, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2202, NicoRobin wrote:Except contributing nothing is my town trait.
and
why do you expect town to automatically come to this conclusion
, especially after you got on a town aronis and voted him over it in helping bring about a mislynch? aronis was town, so obviously it’s natural for town to be circling back to this conclusion that you could be distorting your own meta.
Funny how he says this considering he himself did a 'meta' dive on her and has used it to defend her this whole game so far.

funny how you misrep me when i defended her once with her meta. and you also defended her, sans meta, but still defended her which does not exactly make you innocent.

In post 2227, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Nico

In post 2233, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2228, MariaR wrote:You think I'm scum with nico?
Let's get on the bus then choo choo
we can jail me I'll power lynch Pro after the jk dies and if we lose with kokichi being scum we can fully pin the blame on you.
Deal?
deal! if nsg can agree

although i don’t think scum that is partners with nico offers themselves up here like this.

In post 2322, stungun0404 wrote:something just feels wrong about the direction i am heading in, ugh! and when i sense this in MYLO, it’s clear i need to reconsider some things appropriately, so that i don’t feel this way.

UNVOTE: Nico
Interesting that the one time that he agrees to lynch Nico is when Maria brings up the plan. If that plan goes through as Maria stated, he would have been able to skate to a free win with Pro lynched in that situation. But, notice later on when Maria backs off of that plan, he unvotes Nico again stating the he is 'unsure'

stun is scum because he only compromised to lynch nico when maria brought up the plan. this is fucking bullshit--i demanded a lynch on nico before maria ever joined that wagon. further, you keep using this phrasing of “it is interesting that stun did this…”, but you are not actively calling it scummy because you know i am town. stun is scum because he can skate to a win with profii lynched there; sure because i unvote only to move back on nico means i wanted profii lynched. stungun is scum because he is unsure about nico… OK? everyone else is pushing against me, i am mislynch city as town, why do i suspect nico given MYLO? (tbf, nsg told me this was poor reasoning and i reconsidered, but still you’d have to see it from my angle). oh, and i see conveniently at that point nico is pushing on you, her scum partner. no wonder, thus, she is not on me, but she does move to me eventually!

In post 2548, stungun0404 wrote:absolutely, even though my reads have varied wildly today, much like creature’s did when he was in the game, at the moment from most willing to least willing to lynch it’s

profii, by quite a bit
kokichi
maria
nico —> to be fair, the fact that she’s the only player that has not casted an angle thinking i might be scum and we’re in MYLO kinda seems town suggestive to me.
nsg/stun

still, kokichi if you are scum, props to you i can tell you i think you have far and away played the best game among all of the 4 remaining slots in that situation.
He's apparently so unsure, that he again has Nico as his highest townread, even though he states that he was 'leading' on Nico.

In post 2584, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2582, stungun0404 wrote:koki: there is a very slight chance you are scum with profii. i am not trusting of it to the point where i can completely guarantee nico is scum with profii, especially when the basis of my anti-associative for you is the fact that both you and profii have question townreads on each other, which why do that if you are scum together?
I can see you and Nico being scum together in a small chance. Which is why I don't want to lynch Profil first.

In post 2585, stungun0404 wrote:touche you and profii, which is why i don’t want nico first lol.

so how will we compromise then?

shall you iso nico in my iso just to see if you can maintain that stance afterwards?

In post 2586, Kokichi Oma wrote:Not only is it posts from this game but the meta I showed as to why Nico is highly likely scum. I don't see any reason hy you have Nico as your highest townread right now when I've called out that she's way more defensive as town.

In post 2589, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2586, Kokichi Oma wrote:Not only is it posts from this game but the meta I showed as to why Nico is highly likely scum. I don't see any reason hy you have Nico as your highest townread right now when I've called out that she's way more defensive as town.
the fact that neither shoshin or i ever felt concerned about any townreads on nico is indicating to me that she might be town. profii’s townread on her just didn’t make me feel about nico as much as it did about profii. it’s more a concern of if nico!scum, then why does nico!town seem so plausible relative to the other remaining players for me.
Look at these sequence of posts which I think is damning to prove stun is scum. He shows here how hesitant he is to lynch Nico after I tried getting him to lynch Nico. His reasoning is a BS reason to use Shoshin as the reason why.

In post 2669, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1634, stungun0404 wrote:i actually like creature’s response here myself as well. ugh, who even is scum then?

@creature, just so i know before deciding to unvote you, why do you think nico “feels” town?
why am I asking this for a pair?
it's usually nonsensical for a scum player to question a townread on another scumplayer

In post 2670, stungun0404 wrote:* if we are a pair
This sequence of posts is awkward especially when he tried to make the correction to say that 'IF' they were a pair. I think this could have just been a slip, but I didn't notice it until now since I was focused on other things. He pretty much admitted that Nico was his scum partner in this post.

In post 2660, stungun0404 wrote:kokichi, I would like you to search my ISO and use the find function in your browser on PAGE 3 of my iso specifically and tell me if that changes your perspective of nico and I being a possible pair, also considering that the majority of that was this day phase.

if I must be jk'd, i'll be jk'd, but I don't want to be a mislynch because scum pulls another no kill.

In post 2664, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2660, stungun0404 wrote:kokichi, I would like you to search my ISO and use the find function in your browser on PAGE 3 of my iso specifically and tell me if that changes your perspective of nico and I being a possible pair, also considering that the majority of that was this day phase.

if I must be jk'd, i'll be jk'd, but I don't want to be a mislynch because scum pulls another no kill.
looking specifically for mentions of "nico" I forgot to add

In post 2666, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2663, Kokichi Oma wrote:Going into tomorrow stun if nico flips scum, what's your percentage on who her partner is between prof and maria.
80% profii

20% maria

I remember maria early this day phase wanting to avoid the nico lynch until we steadied on it iirc, and she wanted to be JK but then backed off with her vote because rc wanted her to wait. it was a very strange way to handle things. meanwhile, I lingered on the wagon for like 2 days roughly.

In post 2668, stungun0404 wrote:she was like "profii is getting lynched no matter what"

In post 2671, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1856, stungun0404 wrote:creature, what are your thoughts on nico? would you encourage a policy lynch there right now if it happened?
wouldn't ask about a policy lynch on a prospective partner

I was also the first to seriously consider nico!scum this day phase in my 2050: why make the case I made there in MYLO if we are partners?

In post 2673, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2052, stungun0404 wrote:here’s a question: if nicorobin is town, then why has every attempt at a wagon on her so far died down without much discussion when she could be easily utilized for a mislynch option among the active players?

profii + nico is really starting to make a lot of sense here

In post 2054, stungun0404 wrote:i feel nico!scum is the best lynch option today. we could perhaps even get profii to join it, meanwhile nico will not join a profii wagon.

kokichi and maria, you guys can join this wagon whenever, but just maybe wait until after nsg pops in?!

if you assume kokichi!town, nico is 100% of the time scum here, and vice versa. why? maria and profii are not partners. besides, look at how difficult both of the last 2 lynchwagons have been to obtain.

this is only explainable by at least one scum not actively helping us with the lynches, because if they were a big force with these town mislynches, we would not have to wait until deadline to get a lynch. town by themselves does not tend to settle on a town mislynch wagon that forms quickly, and if such a thing happened then scum would be actively helping us. given we have not seen that therefore we can conclude at least one scum has been stalling with their voting pattern in some way. thus, one of the players that have been more stubborn with casting votes in a reluctant sort of sense and that has been voteparking on particular players must universally be scum. this means one of kokichi or nico is virtually guaranteed to flip scum. i really think it’s nico right now.

i feel secure enough voting nico right now, and i kinda want this game to end so i can focus more on my college work, so i’m almost to the point where i want to vote nico rn
2 other posts this day phase that are nonsensical if nico + stun team were the case.

that good enough to ease your worries koki? like sure, if that scenario comes --> nsg can jail me if you are certain you think it is the best move, but knowing I am town I would heavily discourage it.

In post 2674, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 666, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Stungun

In post 1114, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 1112, Aronis wrote:That's why a policy lynch isn't that bad of an idea even if it's not my first choice
Seems like you already decided that I should be lynched regardless of what I say, which is scummy.

I have my vote.

VOTE: Aronis
one last thing... i swear!

nico voteparked on me for 8 days (from August 4th to August 12th) on D1 until she moved to aronis, all the while i was being considered a lynchwagon and was taken to L-2 twice, which was super strange and lowkey scumpinged me at the time but i never did anything about it until now :-/

she was the first or second vote on my wagon, I cannot recall which off the top of my head, but she joined it on its second rendition.

In post 2677, stungun0404 wrote:ok!

lynch —> nico

jail —> maria

in effect if we lynch now just b/c if nsg dies, she’d have to stick by her word so we don’t mislynch no one!
This is another damning string of posts. Notice hoe paranoid he is that he thinks that everyone would think that him and Nico could be a pair. This is the most defending he has done with anyone thinking that he could be paired scum with someone in the game. It seems like he was a bit worried and knew that he would have to lay the groundwork as to why him and Nico can't be scum together since he knew at this point with me pushing hard on Nico that it was very clear that Nico could be lynched. It's topped off with the last post where he tries to make sure that Maria will be jailed over him if Nico flips scum.

In post 3321, Kokichi Oma wrote:It makes sense why Stun needed profil to be mislynched because look at Prof's reads.

In post 2920, Kokichi Oma wrote:yeah, I think Nico is best jail here because of that.

In post 2921, profii wrote:I’m not going to read the last pages but I did see stun fill in the table

That says enough that he is trying to push FLs town flip as me scum

So I’ll still say a no lynch is a best option here seeing as the town player amongst you 3 has apparently lost it

In post 2922, Kokichi Oma wrote:Okay, prof. Who do you think is the town in us 3 as you so claim?

In post 2923, profii wrote:Rn I think it’s you

In post 2924, profii wrote:Stuns obv scum and Maria has put her self in a position where she can sit on me practically without being questioned

You seem to listen a little bit more and start to consider either possibilities

In post 2930, profii wrote:Maria / Stun 90%
You / Stun 9%
You / Maria 1%

Anything else 0%

If I’m scum I hammer Nico
If Nico scum she hammers me rn
NSG no cc so golden
I think this post in particular. I think the only reason NSG didn't die is because if prof was clear Stun is lynched 100% of the time.

In post 2710, profii wrote:VOTE: stungun

In post 2713, profii wrote:
In post 2707, stungun0404 wrote: logic i cannot understand at a fundamental level.

.
This is a massive scum slip

In post 3323, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stun knew that Maria would likely be jailed next because of the fact that NSG had a hard scumread on her. Stun had to rely on the fact that Maria early had him as a bigger townread than she did me. So he needed to take his chances in lylo.
-------

As I pointed out in these posts, the reason why NSG wasn't killed when she was jailing prof is because Prof had a hard scumread on Stun, there is no way Stun would have been able to survive the lynch with Prof as clear and me townreading you, Maria.

Okay so that concludes my reasonings as to why he is scum. I didn't even include any of the reasonings that prove that I am town (because you requested)

--------

I will post one more thing since you think that it pings you that I asked for you to be jailed. You're the one who asked to be jailed.

In post 2228, MariaR wrote:You think I'm scum with nico?
Let's get on the bus then choo choo
we can jail me I'll power lynch Pro after the jk dies and if we lose with kokichi being scum we can fully pin the blame on you.
Deal?

In post 2233, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2228, MariaR wrote:You think I'm scum with nico?
Let's get on the bus then choo choo
we can jail me I'll power lynch Pro after the jk dies and if we lose with kokichi being scum we can fully pin the blame on you.
Deal?
deal! if nsg can agree

although i don’t think scum that is partners with nico offers themselves up here like this.
Here it's proven that if you look in the timeframe and quotes that it was actually STUN that was the first one to agree to your plan. He was the one who wanted it as well as you can see that he reiterated it as well here

funny how you use this post twice against me to pocket maria

In post 2677, stungun0404 wrote:ok!

lynch —> nico

jail —> maria

in effect if we lynch now just b/c if nsg dies, she’d have to stick by her word so we don’t mislynch no one!
So, i think you just have it mistaken that I was the one leading to jail you. When it was originally you both who came up with the plan to jail you. So if anything you should be scumreading him for it.

Done

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:30 pm

i will reply to the parts i didn’t get to later, but i replied to well over 2/3rds of koki’s scum case on me and told you why it does not make me scum

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:58 pm

*i gave the reasoning of nico is not scum because she is not pushing me

to be clear on that point

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:29 pm

nsg was very consistent on koki!scum the first 2 day phases, and was her only vote for the majority of those 2 day phases, so she was quite convinced on it: therefore, i think it is reasonable that maria considers the case nsg had put together, especially since she was jk - she probably sensed koki was jk hunting.

In post 341, northsidegal wrote:yeah, i'm fine with kokichi being scum. he's doing the thing where he just pops in and responds to or comments on a few posts and then leaves but doesn't actually say anything reads-related. the only reads related things in his iso are the easiest possible points to make, the "if creature doesn't obvtown we lynch him" and the one with regards to me where the lurking is starting to concern him.

i suppose that this post could count:
In post 228, Kokichi Oma wrote:Keep it up creature

Also, not sure who I think is scum yet. If I had to choose maybe stungun
but this really doesn't seem all that substantial.

especially in a game format like this where you always have someone to talk to (except northsidestory... ), i think kokichi as town would have more to say or would have something he would be pushing at this point. there are plenty of games you can look at for comparison on this to check what i'm saying.

VOTE: kokichi

In post 1465, northsidegal wrote:i still think kokichi is scum and my powers of articulation aren't nearly what they used to be. (am i officially a washed-up mafia player? it feels like it.)

on an individual level i think all of his posts from today are pretty scum-indicative: in both what's there and what isn't there (namely any reads or true content)

Spoiler:
In post 1380, Kokichi Oma wrote:JK should claim if they jailed someone imo

In post 1385, Kokichi Oma wrote:But if maf kills jk tonight we get no inno or guilty

In post 1454, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1398, MariaR wrote:
In post 1397, Creature wrote:Nico feels town too
now I know you're just memeing
I lol'd

In post 1455, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1443, profii wrote:Whilst I am doubtful over your claims of great reads, I’ll happily lynch creature. I’m pretty sure NSG / Creature is TvS and I’m going to do what RC said he did i a recent newbie game with me

Go against my gut to vote with the town direction as it’s the “right” way to play

However if you are all right and I’m wrong -
A) great, I think we get a scum flip out of Creature if NSG!town
B) a creature scum flip should tell you I’m not the scum partner - given the immediate pressure would I immeadiately bus given I can be JK guiltied tonight if that all happens?

So

VOTE: Creature

Bed time ta ta zzzzzz
How did you go from he is JK to he is scum

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:32 pm

nsg clearly sensed koki was jk hunting d2

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:34 pm

In post 2276, profii wrote:NSG
D1
Koki
D2
koki

nice. profii can back me up on this!

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:06 pm

sure, since i know you are scum, i’m going to assume that was not a slip (not!)

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:17 pm

maria, can you assure me that you end this game later today, regardless of whether you vote me or not?

@koki, please vote me, thanks!

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:23 pm

all of koki’s votes in this game thru end of d2; his first was 42 posts deep in his iso. does koki!town ever go that deep into his iso before voting? i don’t think so

In post 520, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: stun

In post 763, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 759, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Kokichi

@Aronis, who are you liking the chances of being scum best right now?
Am I wrong or am I scum? Talk to me.

UNVOTE:

In post 1277, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: Aronis

In post 1659, Kokichi Oma wrote:I dunno. You have been scum with me before.

By the way VOTE: creature

In post 1712, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: prof

In post 1771, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: creature

Taking advantage of me being vla

In post 1785, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: Maria

If you lynch me. LYNCH MARIA TOMORROW. FOR ONCE TRUST ME ON MY READ ON HER

In post 1957, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: pro

We need to avoid a nl

In post 1963, Kokichi Oma wrote:Oh did i?

VOTE: creature

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:26 pm

In post 2680, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: nico

koki’s first vote d3 is well after everyone else’s. he does 160+ posts into his d3 content; that is waiting forever, and then he

finally

votes nico because he has to buss

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:30 pm

yeah, d3 koki goes from post 195 in his iso to post 362 with no vote, then on 363 finally votes nico

in spite of both defending nico at times, and attacking nico and times, as well as attacking me for both defending and attacking nico. he never gave where he stood

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:32 pm

In post 2896, Kokichi Oma wrote:This arguing is pointless. You both are likely t v t

VOTE: prof

I really don't care anymore which gets lynched.

hmm, someone votes profii

In post 2975, Kokichi Oma wrote:Thought she was still here. Guess not VOTE: Nico Glad I finally get my wish

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:35 pm

In post 3017, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: prof

In post 3022, Kokichi Oma wrote:Ok. UNVOTE:

Prof. I will give you 1 hr from your next post to convince me why you are not scum.

In post 3267, Kokichi Oma wrote:As long as NSG and/or Maria (if she is indeed town like I think she is) townreads me, scum can't win. So we can NL

VOTE: NL

all koki has done since with votes

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:49 pm

LOL. you said creature had really good reads in your argument there to defend yourself...

and i was consistently his biggest townread

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:52 pm

why would i as scum not pocket maria at all, and rather confscum her last day phase?

why would i wait everything out when i have never no killed as scum?

why would i go against my meta tendencies as scum and town so much for a single scum game?

this wifom angle will not help you, because there is a lot i can utilize involving that angle

stungun0404 · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:55 pm

koki

why wouldn’t i kill nsg in that same scenario? prof was all over the place, and at quite a few intervals scumread you too. he was not like tunnel level hard on me. further, i don’t wait to kill. all my scum games, i have never waited to kill. why do i do that here?

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:57 am

In post 2911, Kokichi Oma wrote:Prof flipping scum I say jail Stun just in case.

lol, you suggest prof gets lynched, and stun gets jailed, so you and nico can win the game

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:02 am

In post 3008, stungun0404 wrote:shocker!

since everyone submitted quick messages for daystart including nsg and profii, there is no delaying the inevitable: profii is scum. nsg promised to jail profii after scumflip of nico, and with there being no kill that automatically incriminates him, as if he was not incriminated enough. if nsg submitted early message, she would have submitted her target for sure, and would have submitted as she said.

VOTE: Profii

why would I be first to attack this line of thought as scum, and rather not wait and see how others react? the fact that I went straight for it is a bit aggressive if you conclude I am scum

then koki reacts: "stun, why are you arguing with confscum?"

if he is confscum, why did kokichi unvote profii to allow him to convince kokichi was town? and mind you kokichi was not on the final vote wagon.

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:03 am

like, I was first to jump on profii, and I never moved off it, unlike kokichi

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:07 am

In post 3515, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3512, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2911, Kokichi Oma wrote:Prof flipping scum I say jail Stun just in case.
lol, you suggest prof gets lynched, and stun gets jailed, so you and nico can win the game

? How? If prof flips scum how are both me and nico scum

well, i got two hours of sleep last night, so i think i can be excused for misinterpreting that

but does it have the same implication if prof flips town, that’s what i still would mean?

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:15 am

this whole entire game i feel can be solved with one very simple question rn: why is koki town? what is the strongest backed town?

vs. why is stun town?

this is the question i think would serve maria the best in making her decision

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:15 am

*backed town reasoning

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:26 am

^wrong, they scumread you too at intervals

and everyone townread me too

what are you getting at?

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:27 am

only nico in this thread has not voiced a townread on me at any point

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:30 am

In post 376, Aronis wrote:
In post 361, profii wrote:NSG is town

At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis

Hard stance there for you.
Oh god your reads are awful
I second thought just go back to weak stances on everything please

In post 800, Aronis wrote:
In post 759, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Kokichi

@Aronis, who are you liking the chances of being scum best right now?
Honestly I'm frustrated enough that I'd kill anybody that isn't you, me, or shoshin

In post 1258, Aronis wrote:
In post 1254, stungun0404 wrote:let’s not get distracted over aronis when that happened, pardon

@aronis, what are your current gamereads on everyone?
You're town. Kokichi, shoshin, and mariaR I'm fine with not killing today

The rest of the people can die because they're some combination of dumb, useless, and/or scum

aronis, the d1 mislynch, far and away found me the towniest of anyone

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:30 am

he never scumread me

neither did creature, the d2 mislynch

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:36 am

creature has arguably the most experience of any player in this game with me, and he never once pushed me as scum. he pushed, koki, however, doubting his townread on him several times

In post 37, Creature wrote:
In post 36, Shoshin wrote:Stun's probably town.
Stunning

In post 215, Creature wrote:
In post 100, schadd_ wrote:stungun0404 (3): profii, GirlInFreezer, Shoshin
Yah, get off

In post 637, Creature wrote:
In post 628, Shoshin wrote:Creature, what's your reads?
stungun town
Then I'm sheeping him on you
Am fine letting GIF go for now
Feeling Kokichi is town too
profii idk how to read

I'm rn looking at Aronis, nsg and NicoRobin

In post 671, Creature wrote:
In post 666, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Stungun
lol this

In post 679, Creature wrote:seems like this whole day has been GIF v stun v Shoshin

In post 680, Creature wrote:
In post 679, Creature wrote:seems like this whole day has been GIF v stun v Shoshin
though, if those are all town scum are still taking some part of this rather than just letting town implode itself.

In post 709, Creature wrote:
In post 705, Kokichi Oma wrote:Shoshin
GirlInFreezer

northsidegal

Creature
NicoRobin

Aronis

profii

stungun0404

This is where I'm at right now. Feel free to ask questions as to why they are grouped as such. g2g for now though.
lol you

In post 1393, Creature wrote:stungun v profii is a shitty TvT

In post 1528, Creature wrote:VOTE: Kokichi Oma

In post 1628, Creature wrote:Yeah, I've been struggling this game, still I went into crazy heights, like townreading NicoRobin (who has less posts than the mod), Kokichi (who I find hard to read) and profii (your famous tunnel), I guess even RC who I'm paranoid the most.

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:38 am

In post 1737, Creature wrote:VOTE: Kokichi

I may not be up tomorrow.

In post 1866, Creature wrote:I'm fine doing any of Maria, Kokichi or Nico.

In post 1883, Creature wrote:MariaR, Kokichi, Nico is like 1/3 chance of lynching town

MariaR is likely scum but likely no one will do anything about it, so 1/2 chance of lynching town

In post 1909, Creature wrote:VOTE: NicoRobin

more on koki

in fact, creature even said maria, koki, nico is like 1/3 chance of lynching town

koki nico is obv pair there

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:48 am

of all the players that have experience with me before, and that have flipped town

shoshin, creature and nsg,

i only had 1 vote ever from them. that was from shoshin in rvs. that is saying something if i am scum here, it is easier to assume i am town and they recognized it. never was really scumread by any of them — they have all seen my townplay. creature has witnessed my scumplay.

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:58 am

In post 340, Aronis wrote:Stungun might as well be an IC at this point

In post 254, Aronis wrote:VOTE: NSG

I'm trusting stun since I think he's one of about three town players in this game with me and is making sense

how do i develop so much trust with both d1 and d2 lynch as scum that they sheep me? that shows a hell of a lot of trust in me being town

creature sheeped me too multiple times, i will quote it

profii is the one mislynch exception

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:01 am

In post 637, Creature wrote:
In post 628, Shoshin wrote:Creature, what's your reads?
stungun town
Then I'm sheeping him on you
Am fine letting GIF go for now
Feeling Kokichi is town too
profii idk how to read

I'm rn looking at Aronis, nsg and NicoRobin

In post 1204, Creature wrote:VOTE: profii

In post 1205, Creature wrote:Hopefully you're right, stun

maria, i am pretty sure you also sheeped me on profii iirc. that is now three town that have sheeped stun!town, so take it town has been trusting me a lot more on the whole than koki to go that far with their actions.

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:07 am

In post 801, stungun0404 wrote:@aronis: what do you think of kokichi? is that a vote you are OK with?

@shoshin: you as well!

i think kokichi should be a serious lynch option today because i feel there is a good shot he flips scum. if you are willing to sheep me on nsg, aronis, are you willing to sheep me on kokichi?

meanwhile i will continue sifting thru kokichi’s content, but i am pretty sure it is not coming from town

i tried to get aronis to sheep me on koki as you can see here

but of course, it only remained that his one vote the entire game was a sheep of me on nsg, he did not vote after that

i wanted shoshin on koki’s wagon today

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:07 am

*that day

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:14 am

i went through a lot of effort d1 to assign a scumpartner to koki, whether it was profii, or gif

but i never settled on nico, unfortunately

d1 was when i put the most effort into my reads on everyone, and it was when i was most correct.

though my early d1 reads were not too bad on the whole with what i now know, by likelihood of townflip:

kokichi

(38%),

maria

(56%),

creature

(64%),

nico

(66%),

profii

(73%),

aronis

(78%),

nsg

(98%),

shoshin

(99%)

like, i was pretty set on koki!scum, before profii became a serious distraction. shoshin kept asking me questions about profii, which distracted me from koki i think.

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:49 am

re: everything koki bolded and put in caps in his most recent attack on stun!scum

WHICH IS FUNNY BECAUSE HE PUSHED ON MARIA WHEN HE KNEW MARIA'S PARTNER WAS SCUM WITH HIS PARTNER.

hello, pocket of maria! stun was scum clearly because he pushed on maria when he knew maria’s partner was scum with his partner. right, i am not town that was concerned gif was using double scum possibility as a push against creature, right? i am not going to ignore that as town, since why should i knowing he has a scum slot in the opposing game?

WHY WOULD I NOT KILL NSG WHEN PROF WAS BEING JAILED. YOU 2 WERE BICKERING BACK AND FORTH AND PROF SCUMREAD STUN. I'D SKATE TO AN EASY WIN.

stun is scum because why would i not kill nsg when prof was being jailed? this is a wifom action that you are using as the basis of your case for stun!scum, why would you not do this? i cannot pick out why you did it, but clearly you favored a situation in LYLO with me rather than profii. oh, maybe you just wanted that as a townclear now, and had the patience necessary to pull it off?

stungun0404 · Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:17 am

yay, i think that (hammer part) implies he thinks koki is scum, which i am glad to hear if so because it is correct

because i can’t be hammered technically until koki votes

but if you need anything further, i am happy to provide it, and will not take the excuse of having one potential vote secured to not continue producing content