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[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think people in these games are always too ready to townread the people making the neat cases and finding the tells, and scumread those who are comparatively inactive or messy. It's a useful bias that helps drive useful content, but when push comes to shove it results in strong townreads that can throw games. Being someone in pyrra's poe and having my role pm,

I know by my own poe that at least one of her hard townreads are probably wrong.

The kinds of stuff she thinks are scummy just aren't ("bit"??) and there's probably analogous weaknesses in her townreading. She's not the only one in the game w/ her general readlist. The wake-up call ought to come sooner rather than later.

You KNOW but yet my POE is wrong and somehow scummy? Yer funny.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Ugh. "desperately counting on town having gotten lobotomies"? You're really that sure I'm scum that you'd throw out that bs?

Why do you continue to misrep me? :/ You know that isn’t what I said. I said if they think

I’m

scum. The more you continue to twist my words, it just increases my confidence on my being right about that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dont tell me someones pretending nancy can be wolf

Ugh. "desperately counting on town having gotten lobotomies"? You're really that sure I'm scum that you'd throw out that bs?

So apparently neither sheep nor I can read? You really think we literally need buildings to fall on us, to see exactly what you’re doing here? *smdh*

[Pyrrha Nikos]

nothing i've said is misrepping
they're literally direct quotes
you're practically gaslighting

Stop insulting mine and sheep’s intelligence here. If there is any “gaslighting” going on here, it’s coming from YOU.

If you continue with this, I will just stop responding to your posts altogether.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Dann, I obviously agree with you on Penguin and I suppose it’s possible sheep could be pocketing me but tbf to him, he has never seen scum!me, so it’s definitely believable - his having such a strong townead on me.

Psyche had a decent entrance unlike his predecessor who’s BS vote seemed kind of opportunistic to me but then there’s been all of these waffley non-committal reads and weird Ethos’ hammer and honestly, his recent pushback on me - minus the misrepping in certain posts - intentionally or unintentionally - has been the towniest thing I’ve seen from him since then. I don’t think that’s anywhere enough to grant him a tr.

Banaki - he has been pushing you all game for imo very suspicious reasons and out of the blue, he’s suddenly voting Psyche? Why?

Gamma - this isn’t his scumgame, so extremely confident you’re wrong on that.
Every single game I’ve played with scum!him, he’s been kind of off, disconnected. He played very differently in MD. Engaging Gamma=town!Gamma imo.

And I dgaf if people yell at me, I still don’t understand why scum!RC unvotes BS here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Here Psyche, if enough of town overdose on this, there maybe possibly be some bizarro alternate universe, where I can actually be scum here:

Spoiler:

Is that a real website lmfao

I don’t know I never tried to click it but I’m assuming no.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Dann, I obviously agree with you on Penguin and I suppose it’s possible sheep could be pocketing me but tbf to him, he has never seen scum!me, so it’s definitely believable - his having such a strong townead on me.

Psyche had a decent entrance unlike his predecessor who’s BS vote seemed kind of opportunistic to me but then there’s been all of these waffley non-committal reads and weird Ethos’ hammer and honestly, his recent pushback on me - minus the misrepping in certain posts - intentionally or unintentionally - has been the towniest thing I’ve seen from him since then. I don’t think that’s anywhere enough to grant him a tr.

Banaki - he has been pushing you all game for imo very suspicious reasons and out of the blue, he’s suddenly voting Psyche? Why?

Gamma - this isn’t his scumgame, so extremely confident you’re wrong on that.
Every single game I’ve played with scum!him, he’s been kind of off, disconnected. He played very differently in MD. Engaging Gamma=town!Gamma imo.

And I dgaf if people yell at me, I still don’t understand why scum!RC unvotes BS here.

Oh actually he did once on MtG where I flaked but I also did that as town a year earlier.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

UNVOTE:

[Pyrrha Nikos]

UNVOTE:

For now. I’m still pretty confident on at least one (if not both) of Psyche/Banaki being scum but we have approximately 10 days to figure it out.

@Dann you were paranoia reading me initially, is it possible you’re doing the same with sheep?

I just personally have never withessed scum!sheep play this way but because he’s fooled me twice, I’m not super confident on it but I’m not really seeing why you’re so convinced he’s scummy?

I still really didn’t like Psyche’s Ethos hammer - especially since he claimed to be unsure, yet hammers anyway. If I had doubts - knowing you wanted to not rush his lynch, why not wait? I’m just struggling to find a townie motivation for that hammer.

Gamma’s L-1 by contrast didn’t read scummy to me, since he gave clear reasoning but Psyche’s hammer made little sense to me.

What concerns me is that Psyche can get tr over what essentially looks like a convincing AtE. Tell me I’m wrong.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Banaki - he has been pushing you all game for imo very suspicious reasons and out of the blue, he’s suddenly voting Psyche? Why?

He had me as "a lil sus," I wouldn't really classify that as a push.

I still really disliked that whole “fake townslip” thing. Remember how you were trying to decide if my not reading the setup in BP was actually a townslip or just an NAI dumbtell? Well, I should have tr you for that, because you were genuinely sorting me by doing that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Dann you were paranoia reading me initially, is it possible you’re doing the same with sheep?

I just personally have never withessed scum!sheep play this way but because he’s fooled me twice, I’m not super confident on it but I’m not really seeing why you’re so convinced he’s scummy?

Play which way

What exactly is he doing that's towny?

I feel like this is exactly a scum game and particularly one

I've seen from him twice before

I mean, that I haven’t personally experienced him playing specifically like this as scum.
Do you have a link to the second game because I didn’t really see the connection in the link you posted?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Gamma I might be wrong on but I haven't seen any convincing reasons to town read Sheep

I feel very confident about my town!Gamma read. I have yet to play a game with scum!Gamma where he hasn’t been tonally off in some way.

So, let’s say your sheep read is right, other than Gamma, who do you see as being his possible partner?

I still don’t think either Psyche/Banaki are clear and I still see both of them as having more scum equity than sheep. I guess I’m not just seeing it yet. That’s why I think that second link, will be very helpful.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

My second game is No Deadlines

Can you be more specific on what exactly you see in his play here that follows his town meta over his scum meta?

:/ Oh really? I was hoping it was something else. He was death tunneling town!Varsoon all game. He hasn’t really been doing that here.

Well, if Banaki flips scum, you’re probably wrong on him, otoh if he flips town, you may be right?

Sheep has fooled me twice, so that’s why I had him last in my tr. I think if I was wrong on any one of them, it would probably be sheep.

@Sheep, early on D1, you were hard townreading BS but you have barely mentioned him recently. What is your current read on him?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Do you think you being his buddy in that game, helps give you greater insight into being able to read him?

Because that’s why I feel so confident on Gamma. Prior to rolling scum with Gamma, my read accuracy on him was approximately 60-40 in BoP but I haven’t incorrectly read him since MD and unlike someone like Creature, his meta hasn’t changed one iota since then.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

He was death tunneling town!Varsoon all game. He hasn’t really been doing that here.

So you think his sort of aimless posting is more town indicative of him?

I should ISO him in Under the Sea, he was pretty aimless in that but his play in that particular game, more reminds me of Psyche’s in THIS one.

I think sheep was both coasting and death tunneling in that one.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

He was death tunneling town!Varsoon all game. He hasn’t really been doing that here.

So you think his sort of aimless posting is more town indicative of him?

I should ISO him in Under the Sea, he was pretty aimless in that but his play in that particular game, more reminds me of Psyche’s in THIS one.

I think sheep was both coasting and death tunneling in that one.

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Post Post #2364 (isolation #8) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:39 am

mm nancy is villagery yeh

Now this is interesting. This isn’t at all like the confident townlock he has on me here. Maybe townlocking players is possibly town indicative for him, since he doesn’t seem to take such strong stances wrt tr slots as scum? In fact, taking strong stances on sr is more scum indicative for him. He kept insisting that Varsoon was scum and never let up on that. He is sr Banaki but he isn’t hard pushing him like he did Varsoon. In ND, the only slot I recall him having any sort of strong tr on was Mastina but that may be due to past loyalty for them being buddies in MBoS?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78228&user_select%5B%5D=30560

Scum!sheep ISO for Under the Sea

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Lynch pyrrha and if it flips town lynch psyche, one of them is scum.

Why

psyche should be given the leniency today

Why

@Ethos, if you’re really certain about this, then we should lynch Psyche since I’m 100% flipping town here. And anyone who - seriously

no offence intended

- is not deaf, dumb or blind, shouldn’t actually need a building to literally fall on them to realize it.

It’s kind of disheartening that people actually need to be familiar with my meta, to know I’m bleeding obvtown here. :/

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Lynch pyrrha and if it flips town lynch psyche, one of them is scum.

Why

psyche should be given the leniency today

Why

@Ethos, if you’re really certain about this, then we should lynch Psyche since I’m 100% flipping town here. And anyone who - seriously

no offence intended

- is not deaf, dumb or blind, shouldn’t actually need a building to literally fall on them to realize it.

It’s kind of disheartening that people actually need to be familiar with my meta, to know I’m bleeding obvtown here. :/

That smiley thing wasn’t intentional.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

FYI you can use the PM button and then cut the text and paste it where you want to post it to quote locked threads

PM button?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

FYI you can use the PM button and then cut the text and paste it where you want to post it to quote locked threads

PM button?

Subject: Booneytoonz IX - Under The Sea -- Game Over!

VOTE: elsa

i can see this as wolf again yeh

would prefer kaito but meh

Like that?

@Dann, look how non-commital and fence-sitty sheep is here. He first says I’m villagery but then says he prefers Elsa (who was also his buddy in that). Not “no way am I ever voting her”, like he is here. So, the more I ISO sheep’s games, the less and less I am convinced on your sheep sr.

I think townlocking slots is more likely town indicative for sheep than scum, unless you can find a scumgame where he did just that. If not, I’m still sticking with my sheep tr.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

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Post Post #2410 (isolation #6) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:16 pm

VOTE: elsa

i can see this as wolf again yeh

would prefer kaito but meh
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Post Post #2405 (isolation #7) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:27 pm

i would vote elsa >>> nancy rn

how far are we from maj
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Post Post #2364 (isolation #8) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:39 am

mm nancy is villagery yeh

No Gamma, that didn’t really work, 2 of the quotes didn’t show up.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It’s under the user’s avatar (if they have one), it goes to a PM page with the text from the post selected already there in the message box
So you can use that and then take the text from that box and put it into the message box you want to put your quote in

But it doesn’t work on multi quotes, which is what I wanted. It’s only by reading the succession of quotes I posted, does my analysis make any sense at all.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

sheep pyrrha dann
bs
pp

gemma

psyche
ethos banakai

Lol, just noticed this. Sheep, you never ever want to confuse Gamma with Gemma. I doubt I will ever forget Gemma and her getting me modkilled.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i have no understanding wtf ethos is doing

i dont necessarily find that fact scum indicative but in this case it bothers me somewhat

i still dislike banakai's iso

i think of everyone in the list he stands out as the most lacking in content/effort to advance the game or actual hard stances or reads

You’re saying you think Ethos is maybe TWTBAW? I dunno, there’s been something off of his entire ISO. It just reads really fake to me. You could also be right about Banaki but I dunno?


But yeah agree, everyone reads townier to me. I just find that everytime I think the game is an easy solve, I’ve been proven wrong. Newsroom was an exception to that as I correctly and easily nailed both scum in that.

people will tr him for apparently sounding so convinced.

thats actually the reason im not voting him

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think I was rather quick to assign town points to Psyche.

In fact, I'd lynch him after sheep if sheep flips scum. But, that's contingent on sheep flipping scum. In a vacuum Psyche isn't terrible.

Rereading more and Banakai!town is becoming a stronger read.

Did you read the sheep quotes I posted from UtS? How is Psyche’s play here, remotely different? He’s being just as fence-sitty here as sheep was in UtS.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think I was rather quick to assign town points to Psyche.

In fact, I'd lynch him after sheep if sheep flips scum. But, that's contingent on sheep flipping scum. In a vacuum Psyche isn't terrible.

Rereading more and Banakai!town is becoming a stronger read.

Why wouldn’t you lynch Psyche if sheep flips town?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Dann, look how non-commital and fence-sitty sheep is here. He first says I’m villagery but then says he prefers Elsa (who was also his buddy in that). Not “no way am I ever voting her”, like he is here. So, the more I ISO sheep’s games, the less and less I am convinced on your sheep sr.

I think townlocking slots is more likely town indicative for sheep than scum, unless you can find a scumgame where he did just that. If not, I’m still sticking with my sheep tr.

I think when you consider the slots he's "townlocked," in me and you, and the fact that the two leading wagons in Psyche and Banakai are largely being pushed because they dared to shade these town reads... Why wouldn't scum!sheep town read both you and me?

I wasn’t tr them before either one pushed me but yeah true on Banaki/you though. Both slots are essentially OMGUSsing me, especially Psyche.

But he’s townlocking us, as opposed to just saying we’re probably town, that was my point. Not saying scum!sheep couldn’t do that but I’m just not familiar with a scumgame of his where he actually did that.

I am a bit concerned that he’s not also hardtown reading Penguin as well but maybe he hasn’t any meta with him?

@sheep, what’s your current read on Penguin?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think I was rather quick to assign town points to Psyche.

In fact, I'd lynch him after sheep if sheep flips scum. But, that's contingent on sheep flipping scum. In a vacuum Psyche isn't terrible.

Rereading more and Banakai!town is becoming a stronger read.

Why wouldn’t you lynch Psyche if sheep flips town?

something something preflip associatives

if sheep flips town I have to reevaluate all my reads

For me the same about either Psyche/Banaki but especially Psyche.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

sheep pyrrha dann
bs
pp

gemma

psyche
ethos banakai

Lol, just noticed this. Sheep, you never ever want to confuse Gamma with Gemma. I doubt I will ever forget Gemma and her getting me modkilled.

Wait who the f was Gemma
Sheep’s called me that since forever I believe

She got me modkilled in a game on MtG. She posted in the game thread basically that I was posting up a storm on here while avoiding that game. The result was we were both modkilled.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

That’s a pretty spicy take, kinda like it

Like it or agree?, because I’m never scum here regardless but it’s making me less want to vote there.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

and he says i'm voting pyrra but i'm not and i never have

No but you were pushing me yesterday but you haven’t voted me. The only one who has is WOAT Ethos iirc.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Psyche, do you have a read on sheepsaysmeep

notvyet

Hmmmm . . .

[Pyrrha Nikos]

think i believe the meta reads re:pyrra
i'm gonna revisit my gamma read and decide whether i'll double down on it or not

Could Psyche/sheep be the scumteam?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

think i believe the meta reads re:pyrra
i'm gonna revisit my gamma read and decide whether i'll double down on it or not

Could Psyche/sheep be the scumteam?

Actually I think this might be right. It’s not uncommon for scumteams to take completely diametrically opposed positions on town slots: BS: Pine opportunistically votes him, then flakes; sheep hard defends him, then seems to almost forget about him altogether. Banaki: Psyche has him as his initial #1 townread; he’s sheep’s #1 sr, then Psyche backtracks on him.

The most suspicious part is that he says absolutely nothing about sheep and inexplicably segways back to Gamma. He obviously has to know, we obviously aren’t lynching Gamma today. It’s between him and sheep, looks like.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think people in these games are always too ready to townread the people making the neat cases and finding the tells, and scumread those who are comparatively inactive or messy. It's a useful bias that helps drive useful content, but when push comes to shove it results in strong townreads that can throw games.

Being someone in pyrra's poe and having my role pm, I know by my own poe that at least one of her hard townreads are probably wrong

. The kinds of stuff she thinks are scummy just aren't ("bit"??) and there's probably analogous weaknesses in her townreading. She's not the only one in the game w/ her general readlist. The wake-up call ought to come sooner rather than later.

How do you

know

one of my hard townreads is wrong? Your role pm tells you nothing about any other slot in the game.

BS was never a “hard townread” but a townlean and you also shouldn’t

know

Banaki’s alignment either so this reads like a possible TMI?

How do you not have any read on sheep yet?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Psyche, why Gamma over sheep?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I’m no longer so confident in my reads. I really wanted to be the GOAT but I think I’ll settle for not looking stupid post-game. I think I will probably just take a step back and sheep Dann and Penguin, at least until things become clearer to me. :/

[Pyrrha Nikos]

and he says i'm voting pyrra but i'm not and i never have

No but you were pushing me yesterday but you haven’t voted me. The only one who has is WOAT Ethos iirc.

think i believe the meta reads re:pyrra
i'm gonna revisit my gamma read and decide whether i'll double down on it or not

Could Psyche/sheep be the scumteam?

I think people in these games are always too ready to townread the people making the neat cases and finding the tells, and scumread those who are comparatively inactive or messy. It's a useful bias that helps drive useful content, but when push comes to shove it results in strong townreads that can throw games.

Being someone in pyrra's poe and having my role pm, I know by my own poe that at least one of her hard townreads are probably wrong

. The kinds of stuff she thinks are scummy just aren't ("bit"??) and there's probably analogous weaknesses in her townreading. She's not the only one in the game w/ her general readlist. The wake-up call ought to come sooner rather than later.

How do you

know

one of my hard townreads is wrong? Your role pm tells you nothing about any other slot in the game.

BS was never a “hard townread” but a townlean and you also shouldn’t

know

Banaki’s alignment either so this reads like a possible TMI?

How do you not have any read on sheep yet?

I've alreadg explained how I know one of your hard townreads are wrong.

You said based on your POE so other than your slot, how can that be anything other than an opinion?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

eth0s¹ has been prodded and has (expired on 2019-11-20 06:04:38) to post before i start looking for a replacement.

Blatant Scum² has been prodded and has (expired on 2019-11-20 06:59:10) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

sheepsaysmeep¹ has been prodded and has (expired on 2019-11-20 09:05:42) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

I don’t know whether to be easily amused or discouraged by this.

So, @Psyche, I really want to know why you sr Gamma over sheep. You keep saying one of my hardtown reads is probably wrong and you seem to be super confident on it being Gamma, I’m guessing.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

and he says i'm voting pyrra but i'm not and i never have

No but you were pushing me yesterday but you haven’t voted me. The only one who has is WOAT Ethos iirc.

think i believe the meta reads re:pyrra
i'm gonna revisit my gamma read and decide whether i'll double down on it or not

Could Psyche/sheep be the scumteam?

I think people in these games are always too ready to townread the people making the neat cases and finding the tells, and scumread those who are comparatively inactive or messy. It's a useful bias that helps drive useful content, but when push comes to shove it results in strong townreads that can throw games.

Being someone in pyrra's poe and having my role pm, I know by my own poe that at least one of her hard townreads are probably wrong

. The kinds of stuff she thinks are scummy just aren't ("bit"??) and there's probably analogous weaknesses in her townreading. She's not the only one in the game w/ her general readlist. The wake-up call ought to come sooner rather than later.

How do you

know

one of my hard townreads is wrong? Your role pm tells you nothing about any other slot in the game.

BS was never a “hard townread” but a townlean and you also shouldn’t

know

Banaki’s alignment either so this reads like a possible TMI?

How do you not have any read on sheep yet?

penguin,

pine

, and sheep have been in the background all game to me
haven't seen one post yet that has really held my interest, even while i've scanned through all their isos at least once
something will come eventually

Pine? Pine is your

predecessor

.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pine! Get out of the background!

Inorite. Maybe he meant to say a different name?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I also disagree that I've been in the background (maybe today, but not yesterday) the whole game, but I wanted to point that out more.

You and sheep are obviously hiding behind Pine, duh!

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Weird how everyone was so eager to wagon Pine for lurking and now no one wants to vote sheep

He voteparked, flaked but was active elsewhere online.

It’s the townlocking thing that makes me reticent, because I haven’t seen him do that as scum but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t be doing that here but it’s also I’m not really sold on Banaki town. I’m actually liking Psyche more now.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

There’s the fact he didn’t vote there though. I feel like he

would

have voted RC had he gotten support. That part seems wolfy to me.

i disagree but i like this read from you

@sheep, how are you disagreeing with this? You really don’t think BS would have wanted to lynch RC if he could have? He literally said he wanted him to be stumped and have his reads sheeped.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

@sheep, your disagreeing with Gamma’s read makes literally no sense.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i literally read like 2 of rc's posts

he was not wolfy to me

he was not wolfy to bs either who is the only one ive been talking about

Huh???

Why would BS wanted to pl a slot he townread?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dont tell me someones pretending nancy can be wolf

psyche

nancy cant wolf

i mean that in the least insulting way possible but as an objective view of her emotions


if she was wolf, these walls would be.. wolfing

and she cant do that

Hmmm . . . first he sounds like he’s sr Psyche and in the next he’s talking to him like he tr him. He also said he liked posts by both Gamma and Banaki and then seems to disregard them in his reads. Ok, I can see how this weird inconsistency from post to post can be scummy.

It definitely is strange. He likes both Gamma’s and Banaki’s posts but then ignores them.

VOTE: sheep

[Pyrrha Nikos]

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

There’s the fact he didn’t vote there though. I feel like he

would

have voted RC had he gotten support. That part seems wolfy to me.

i disagree but i like this read from you

1. Blatant Scum
2. Pyrrha Nikos
3. Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells
4. eth0s
5. sheepsaysmeep
6. Banakai
7. Pine
8. PenguinPower
9. Dannflor

sheep, bs, pyrrha, banakai, dann all some degree above null

leaving gamma, ethos, pine, penguin

I mean you didn't talk about why you found anyone else above null - and it's pretty easy to pick up on - so, no I don't really feel like it.

bs is twtbw and genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown and dann's analysis of hsi wagon is actually very sheepable

pyrrha was legitimately trying to sort me; this read is maybe a bit weaker pending them posting more

dann's content is well thought out and some of his content is honestly just.. like too good to be fake


i still havent gotten anything from gamma's psoting shrug

yeah banakai's dann read is kinda ass but my hesitancy is that it's so against the general consensus

Sort of think scum!Banakai just goes with the consensus reads instead of defending this

i would v read if he confidently defended instead of backing up saying his w read isn’t confident he just wanted to post it

i still dislike banakai's iso

i think of everyone in the list he stands out as the most lacking in content/effort to advance the game or actual hard stances or reads

I really didn’t notice until I reread this, that there is a complete lack of cohesion in his reads progression.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

sheep strikes me as a town but bad at it

this is a good read

i dont like it but prolly a genuine read

I forgot this. How does this same slot wind up at the bottom of your POE?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If Psyche is town and I’m starting to think he might be and sheep does flip scum, I will need to revaluate BS, because if he’s scum here, I really can’t see him being scum with anyone other than sheep. Sheep’s entire entrance in the thread seemed to be in panic mode on how to save him.

So, BS is the most logical partner for scum!sheep. Scum!sheep doesn’t go on this kind of a limb to save an lhf townie.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

wtf happened

i kinda like blatant scum asking to lynch rc actually

in terms of villageriness not agreeableness

i admittedly understand where bs is coming from and i'd be too scared or self conscious to come in and announce that i want to lynch rc d1 as wolf, given the backlash it caused immediately was pretty predictable; also how much he pursues that so confidently for 2 pages shows he genuinely believes it's a good decision?

i literally read like 2 of rc's posts

he was not wolfy to me

he was not wolfy to bs either who is the only one ive been talking about

bs not having wolfed on this site reinforces my read on how confident and unreserved he opened considering this a pretty respectable playerlist

linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things.

meh agree to disagree
i find that this type of erratic behavior is generally too rash to be w shrug

I mean you didn't talk about why you found anyone else above null - and it's pretty easy to pick up on - so, no I don't really feel like it.

bs is twtbw and genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown and dann's analysis of hsi wagon is actually very sheepable

pyrrha was legitimately trying to sort me; this read is maybe a bit weaker pending them posting more

dann's content is well thought out and some of his content is honestly just.. like too good to be fake


i still havent gotten anything from gamma's psoting shrug

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Weird how everyone was so eager to wagon Pine for lurking and now no one wants to vote sheep

He voteparked, flaked but was active elsewhere online.

It’s the townlocking thing that makes me reticent, because I haven’t seen him do that as scum but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t be doing that here but it’s also I’m not really sold on Banaki town. I’m actually liking Psyche more now.

Do understand that scum are much more likely to town read, or even town lock you, because players that do that will often get a town read in return from you

Yeah Dann, I do get that but for the vast majority of my mafia career, I was far more likely to be pushed by scum then pocketed, so it’s harder for me to see through that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I am having a funny test tomorrow, so I will post a highly informative post which is likely to win us the game.

@Banakai, was your role in role PM written in red or brown colour?

Suddenly you’re now pseudo efforting?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I am having a funny test tomorrow, so I will post a highly informative post which is likely to win us the game.

@Banakai, was your role in role PM written in red or brown colour?

Suddenly you’re now pseudo efforting?

Also, this is a bs kind of question. Why would you seriously expect anyone in their right mind to answer anything other than green?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I am having a funny test tomorrow, so I will post a highly informative post which is likely to win us the game.

@Banakai, was your role in role PM written in red or brown colour?

Suddenly you’re now pseudo efforting?

Also, this is a bs kind of question. Why would you seriously expect anyone in their right mind to answer anything other than green?

Yep, I’m right. I think BS might have just scumclaimed. No one has a brown role pm and if BS was actually town here, he would know that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Setup Info

Forest Fire

(as designed by Micc):

Players

• 2 arsonists
  
  
• 1 firefighter
  
  
• 6 trees

Setup Information

• Arsonists
  have a single factional night action. They may choose to
  prime
  a single target, or to
  ignite
  all previously primed targets.
  
• Firefighter
  blocks the priming of a target ONLY on the night in which they are being primed.
  
• Trees
  become
  Tree-stumps
  upon being lynched, allowing them to continue posting in the thread.
  
• Firefighter
  ,
  Trees
  ,
  Tree-stumps
  , and
  Arsonists
  are all vulnerable to being primed and ignited.
  
• Players are not told when they are primed,
  Arsonists
  are not told if the priming was successful.
  
• Tree-stumps
  cannot vote, and do not count as a vote for endgame purposes.

Arsonist

Welcome to Micro 898: Forest Fire!

You hate nature, and trees, and things that are green. The sight of the forest outside of your home fills you with disgust. In fact, if the whole thing went up in smoke and flames you wouldn't be bothered one bit. Actually....that kind of sounds like a good idea...

You are an

Arsonist

, along with your partner

[Player Name]

. You may post in the thread and vote as you see fit. Your additional abilities are listed below.

Abilities

• Factional Communication:
  During the night phase you may talk with your partner [Private Topic Link]here[/Private Topic Link].
  
• Factional Pyrotechnics:
  Each night phase either you or your partner may take one and only one of the the following actions:
  • Prime
    a target for ignition by dousing them with gasoline.
    
  • Ignite
    all previously primed targets by lighting them on fire and thus killing them.

Win Condition

• You win when only
  Arsonist
  aligned players are left alive, or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Tree

Welcome to Micro 898: Forest Fire!

Your leaves are green, your roots are long, and the creatures of the forest marvel at your very sight. Your life is simple, and quite frankly, that's exactly how you like it. Kind of makes you wonder though...how long will things stay that way?

You are a

Tree

, and aligned with the

Forest

. You may post in the thread and vote as you see fit. Your additional abilities are listed below.

Abilities

• Stumped:
  Upon being lynched you become Tree-stumped. This means you will still be allowed to post in the thread, but you will not have a vote. Being killed in any other way overrides this ability, and will cause you to be removed from the game.

Win Condition

• You win when only Forest aligned players are left alive.

Firefighter

Welcome to Micro 898: Forest Fire!

You love nature, and trees, and things that are green. The sight of the forest outside of your home fills you with joy. In fact, if the whole thing went up in smoke and flames you might just consider suicide. Dang, you better keep your eyes open...never know what might happen...

You are a

Firefighter

, and aligned with the

Forest

. You may post in the thread and vote as you see fit. Your additional abilities are listed below.

Abilities

• Fire Prevention:
  Each night phase you may choose one other player to douse with water. The doused player will be immune to being primed for ignition during that night phase.

Win Condition

• You win when only
  Forest
  aligned players are left alive.

Well I’m right. There is no brown. Trees are green. The firefighter is blue and the arsonists are orange.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Yeah that question weird af
I’d call the scum text color more of an orange

they are both black (besides a few words in scum text)?

is this a scum test or a color blind test?

Okay, maybe not a scumclaim then but a really silly and weird question.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I am having a funny test tomorrow, so I will post a highly informative post which is likely to win us the game.

@Banakai, was your role in role PM written in red or brown colour?

So was the point of this, is if he answered brown, you would take it as a scumclaim? Especially since Gamma is correct in that it’s all in the setup?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

does anyone have actual questions about my poe

i can try to find another wolf in there tomorrow but i have a history test to study for

Does this mean you’re now tr Psyche?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

does anyone have actual questions about my poe

i can try to find another wolf in there tomorrow but i have a history test to study for

Why are you focused on finding scum reads over town reads?

Why are gamma and Penguin in your PoE specifically?

Yeah, he’s probably keeping them as nullreads to push.


His comment about “finding another wolf”, seems disingenuous af. He already had his POE, why not just pick the two at the bottom?

I mean he probably actually does have a history test to study for but this sounds like a blatant attempt to stall, because he knows he doesn’t have a better case than him rn.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dannflor and sheep have been pretty quiet

i agree

the fact that he feels as quiet

as me

makes me like him more if it even matters at all

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Also, I don’t think town!sheep reacts this way to being wrongly sr. Town!sheep would probably defend himself here and try to make a reasonable case why he’s town.

idk what to say to dann's read on me i'd agree with it if i wasnt me

Now, I know this is from earlier but I don’t this is how town!sheep would respond to this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Subject: Micro 771 Lucky's Lucky Upick Lollapalooza! - GAME OVER!!!

Oh, and two things to point out for you.

Remember that both me AND UCV had our votes on you but suddenly he's deciding to follow you and trying to Lynch someone with a confirmed power and isn't the problem at the moment? He jumps ships pretty quickly, huh.

Secondly, Your pushing very hard all of a sudden and going for me only because I disagreed with you and decided to claim. Your not scum hunting. Your being a pansy.

My votes already on you, so consider this my attempt to counter-wagon you. You and Voyager are the scum.

this is entirely untrue
youre misrepresenting my stance on you really bad
i am pushing you for your intentionally not producing any reads
in no world should it look like im pushing you for disagreement
ucv's switching to me is entirely fine. my play in this game changed DRASTICALLY.

This is how town!sheep responds to being wrongly sr.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If pyrrha is town (an assumption I dont fully agree with) then sheep is probably the best lynch today.

I still think pyrrha could be wolfing.

Let me know when you stop superficial reading, kthanx.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i mean you basically dislike me for not showing progression

which is specifically villager indicative for me

It isn’t logical. You mention liking both Gamma’s and Banaki’s posts, then you completely forget about them and how do you have no read on Penguin yet?

Why is this “specifically villager indicative” for you? I don’t recall that being town indicative for you?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

you do understand what a poe is right

ive just felt comfortable trying to get rid of my non v reads but seeing as i might die soon i should prolly stop postponing solving further before i get another flip

Of course I know what a PoE is.

If you’re actually town here, you need to show it.

You were bleeding obvtown in Sulkimas for example and town was really dumb in that for mislynching you. Same in that MtG game.

A lot of your posts here, really don’t make a lot of logical sense

- including your reaction to Dann hardpushing you.

Like you disagreeing with Gamma over something that was an obvious fact - BS wanted to pl RC, for example.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

as in reads changed in my head and i dont feel a need to post about it

if i was wolf i'd be trying to impress and look villagery and i'd have 50 posts along the line of explicitly highlighting huh my read is changing now and some made up reasons to seem genuine

This isn’t something I’m able to read. I can only parse what I see actually posted. I can’t sort anyone by being a mindreader.

And why is this being directed to me specifically? Why not Dann or Penguin?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Like you disagreeing with Gamma over something that was an obvious fact - BS wanted to pl RC, for example.

i disagree that bs needed to vote rc when no one in thread agreed with him anyway

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

There’s the fact he didn’t vote there though.

I feel like he

would

have voted RC had he gotten support

. That part seems wolfy to me.

i disagree but i like this read from you

So, are you now saying, you think BS would have voted RC, had he gotten support, because you didn’t clarify that in this post?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

any other posts of mine you need logical clarification on i'd be glad to help

does anyone have actual questions about my poe

i can try to find another wolf in there tomorrow but i have a history test to study for

Why are you focused on finding scum reads over town reads?

Why are gamma and Penguin in your PoE specifically?

You could start by answering Dann’s question.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

any other posts of mine you need logical clarification on i'd be glad to help

does anyone have actual questions about my poe

i can try to find another wolf in there tomorrow but i have a history test to study for

Why are you focused on finding scum reads over town reads?

Why are gamma and Penguin in your PoE specifically?

You could start by answering Dann’s question.

Both of them.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@sheep, why did you ignore Dann’s questions? Why are you only interested in responding to mine?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

UNVOTE:

for now. I’m definitely not sold on Banaki town. I also don’t think my solve was entirely off. I think that I may have been wrong on Psyche but Banaki blaming me for Ethos’ mislynch sounds disingenuous af to me, when he voted for him, after making that weird flex about E wanting to be stumped.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

1. Blatant Scum
2. Pyrrha Nikos
3. Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells
4. eth0s
5. sheepsaysmeep
6. Banakai
7. Pine
8. PenguinPower
9. Dannflor

sheep, bs, pyrrha, banakai, dann all some degree above null

leaving gamma, ethos, pine, penguin

i kinda like blatant scum asking to lynch rc actually

in terms of villageriness not agreeableness

i admittedly understand where bs is coming from and i'd be too scared or self conscious to come in and announce that i want to lynch rc d1 as wolf, given the backlash it caused immediately was pretty predictable; also how much he pursues that so confidently for 2 pages shows he genuinely believes it's a good decision?

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

i literally read like 2 of rc's posts

he was not wolfy to me

he was not wolfy to bs either who is the only one ive been talking about

a pl has nothign to do with alignment; i understand why he would advocate it even if i dont necessarily agree, and i think he genuinely believed it was the right thing given how he continued to post about it

if someone's done it in the exact way matching the specific things im finding villagery then it would prolly make me think and not push this strongly later but i think with regards to a player newer to the site his entrance exemplified one of the towntells i search the hardest for on this site

i kinda like your interactions with me it does feel like youre legitimately tryign to sort me out

nothign else

bs not having wolfed on this site reinforces my read on how confident and unreserved he opened considering this a pretty respectable playerlist

linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things.

meh agree to disagree
i find that this type of erratic behavior is generally too rash to be w shrug

me you pyrrha bs

that gets me far enough if you read.. any 9p turbo

This is the first time you've expressed BS as town core.

definitely not bet

Ok Dann, I gotta say you’re wrong about this. Sheep has been extremely adamant about BS being town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

RC (or his slot in the game rather) is a medium to heavy lean town for me. personally, if I was scum and someone said they wanted to lynch me because I was a good town, I would feel good because it takes the focus off lynching me for a legit reason vs as a towny I would get upset at the town wasting time when I already know I'm a towny

I think this post is transparent bs. No way would scum ever be “happy” being pl’d. If Banaki actually means, he would PREFER that to being correctly sr, then that’s different but no way would scum!anyone be happy about bring pl’d

for any reason

.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

See, I don't think a Psyche/Banakai solve is necessarily awful.

I guess my problem with it is that it's just so easy. It feels too much like lynching the players with the least thread presence, which is often a good idea if everyone feels town, but I don't think sheep or Gamma have showed enough to really town lock them yet.

Let's take a look at everyone's post count:

Pyrrha Nikos - 273
Dannflor - 107
PenguinPower - 87
Blatant Scum - 84
Gamma Emerald - 82
eth0s - 78
sheepsaysmeep - 59
Psyche - 56
Banakai - 35

I can't help but feel if there's scum in Gamma/BS they'll just get away with it because we're fixated on these lower slots.

I guess I just need to make sure they're town.

pedit:

Ok Dann, I gotta say you’re wrong about this. Sheep has been extremely adamant about BS being town.

Town? Yes. Town core? No.

Dann, there’s plenty of good reasons to townlock me here but we both know my high post count is never one of them.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

See, I don't think a Psyche/Banakai solve is necessarily awful.

I guess my problem with it is that it's just so easy. It feels too much like lynching the players with the least thread presence, which is often a good idea if everyone feels town, but I don't think sheep or Gamma have showed enough to really town lock them yet.

Let's take a look at everyone's post count:

Pyrrha Nikos - 273
Dannflor - 107
PenguinPower - 87
Blatant Scum - 84
Gamma Emerald - 82
eth0s - 78
sheepsaysmeep - 59
Psyche - 56
Banakai - 35

I can't help but feel if there's scum in Gamma/BS they'll just get away with it because we're fixated on these lower slots.

I guess I just need to make sure they're town.

pedit:

Ok Dann, I gotta say you’re wrong about this. Sheep has been extremely adamant about BS being town.

Town? Yes. Town core? No.

Dann, there’s plenty of good reasons to townlock me here but we both know my high post count is never one of them.

I would also expect Psyche to be lower, given that he was a replacement but Banaki isn’t one, so that isn’t agl.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think Banakai is trying to make the point that by being pushed for a PL it discredits the idea of pushing him, but I can definitely see how that message can slip by
@pyrrha

Disagree. I don’t think scum ever wants to be pl’d for any reason. I do buy that scum would prefer being pl’d to sr but for Banaki to actually claim he’d be “happy” about that strains credulity, imo.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

That wasn't really the point of my post

I didn’t really think it was, I’m just stating a fact that for me post count > content isn’t town indicative.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Wdym you expect Psyche to be lower

He was a replacement, why wouldn’t he be lower?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think Banakai is trying to make the point that by being pushed for a PL it discredits the idea of pushing him, but I can definitely see how that message can slip by
@pyrrha

Disagree. I don’t think scum ever wants to be pl’d for any reason. I do buy that scum would prefer being pl’d to sr but for Banaki to actually claim he’d be “happy” about that strains credulity, imo.

See I don’t think that’s what Banakai was saying at all, it just comes off that way because he phrased it poorly. If someone gives a bad reason to vote you and you’re scum, you’ll probably be happy about it because you can refute that and tear apart the idea you’re scummy, because even if good reasons exist the bad reasons can obscure them.

No one is ever “happy” to be pushed for a lynch and I didn’t/don’t read RC’s being upset about it as AI in the slightest. What I liked was that he unvoted BS, right before he replaced out. His being unhappy about being pl’d was NAI.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Wdym you expect Psyche to be lower

He was a replacement, why wouldn’t he be lower?

Like Idk what you’re trying to say by saying Psyche being higher than Banakai is nagl, who is it nagl for, and how exactly?

I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying that as a replacement, I would logically expect Psyche to be lower on a postcount list. My point is that since Banaki isn’t a replacement, his being so low isn’t a good look -

for Banaki

, if that isn’t already clear.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i actually agree with what psyche is saying

i still think hes scum though

I do want Banakai to expand on this read more though.

basically I agree with some of the things he says about pyrrha, I have said I also scumread pyrhha (He seems to be hard pushing now though which is odd)

I just really don't like his play day 1 (the weird hammer, the apology this morning). - The flip-flop on his read on me (he says he would bet the whole game I'm town then redacted that - for what reason?), feels like maybe he wanted to join the easy wagon on me. Also he's putting in a lot more effort now that he's being looked at. I do find it quite strange why he's going for pyrrha. Doesn't seem like an easy lynch. Perhaps bussing. maybe trying to look town by voting for someone most ppl townread.

I feel like maybe he hammered day 1 and his scum buddy was like "dude that was suspcious" and now hes overcompensating

I'm not sure how this relates to pyrhha. I think if psyche is town pyrhha is probably scum. if psyche scum then she may or may not be.

So, Banaki has me a possible scum regardless of Psyche’s alignment but not the converse, yet the bulk of this post is focused on shading Psyche and not me. Weird.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Wdym you expect Psyche to be lower

He was a replacement, why wouldn’t he be lower?

Like Idk what you’re trying to say by saying Psyche being higher than Banakai is nagl, who is it nagl for, and how exactly?

I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying that as a replacement, I would logically expect Psyche to be lower on a postcount list. My point is that since Banaki isn’t a replacement, his being so low isn’t a good look -

for Banaki

, if that isn’t already clear.

That said, I don’t tend to AI read slots based on activity in general.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i actually agree with what psyche is saying

i still think hes scum though

I do want Banakai to expand on this read more though.

basically I agree with some of the things he says about pyrrha, I have said I also scumread pyrhha (He seems to be hard pushing now though which is odd)

I just really don't like his play day 1 (the weird hammer, the apology this morning). - The flip-flop on his read on me (he says he would bet the whole game I'm town then redacted that - for what reason?), feels like maybe he wanted to join the easy wagon on me. Also he's putting in a lot more effort now that he's being looked at. I do find it quite strange why he's going for pyrrha. Doesn't seem like an easy lynch. Perhaps bussing. maybe trying to look town by voting for someone most ppl townread.

I feel like maybe he hammered day 1 and his scum buddy was like "dude that was suspcious" and now hes overcompensating

I'm not sure how this relates to pyrhha. I think if psyche is town pyrhha is probably scum. if psyche scum then she may or may not be.

So, Banaki has me a possible scum regardless of Psyche’s alignment but not the converse, yet the bulk of this post is focused on shading Psyche and not me. Weird.

Explain to me @Banaki, how my hypothetical red flip, would townspew Psyche but his wouldn’t have done the same for me? And you’re going to an awful lot of effort to shade Psyche here, if you sincerely believe I have greater scum equity.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think Banakai is trying to make the point that by being pushed for a PL it discredits the idea of pushing him, but I can definitely see how that message can slip by
@pyrrha

Disagree. I don’t think scum ever wants to be pl’d for any reason. I do buy that scum would prefer being pl’d to sr but for Banaki to actually claim he’d be “happy” about that strains credulity, imo.

See I don’t think that’s what Banakai was saying at all, it just comes off that way because he phrased it poorly. If someone gives a bad reason to vote you and you’re scum, you’ll probably be happy about it because you can refute that and tear apart the idea you’re scummy, because even if good reasons exist the bad reasons can obscure them.

No one is ever “happy” to be pushed for a lynch and I didn’t/don’t read RC’s being upset about it as AI in the slightest. What I liked was that he unvoted BS, right before he replaced out. His being unhappy about being pl’d was NAI.

I agree about RC’s reaction bring NAI because that’s his base reaction but you’re acting like Banakai is spouting nonsense when I can get what his idea is

I think what you’re saying is different than what he’s saying. You’re saying scum!you would PREFER it, that isn’t what he was saying.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

RC (or his slot in the game rather) is a medium to heavy lean town for me. personally,

if I was scum and someone said they wanted to lynch me because I was a good town, I would feel good because it takes the focus off lynching me for a legit reason

vs as a towny I would get upset at the town wasting time when I already know I'm a towny

@Gamma

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think that is IMPLIED, despite not really being written out.

I don’t see that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think that is IMPLIED, despite not really being written out.

I don’t see that.

It makes sense if he PREFERS it, not that it would “make [him] feel good”, is my point and like you said, it’s not a valid reason to tr RC.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Have some new thoughts on who might be the scumteam (new for me anyway) but want to let things develop further before saying what I think

Anyway, I’m curious to hear your new solve and why. Oh okay, we’ll just have to wait for it then. :/

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Have some new thoughts on who might be the scumteam (new for me anyway) but want to let things develop further before saying what I think

Anyway, I’m curious to hear your new solve and why. Oh okay, we’ll just have to wait for it then. :/

Mine is Banaki and someone else who has been playing me really good.

What do you think about Banaki having sheep as one of his two strongest tr, given that sheep has been super clear on being essentially locked on Banaki scum?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dan is actually probably the towniest on my scum list rn, but I have a lot of scum reads maybe

ppl who i really think are town
- Sheep
-penguin
- Gamma

ppl who might be either
- Dan

ppl who might be scum
-BS
-pyyrha
-psyche

if you want explanations please ask -- I can be more specific but I don't want to explain every read

If I had to choose a team it'd be Dan and Pyrrha or psyche and BS, leaning towards the latter

Dan and Pyrrha I feel have kinda been really controlling the game - maybe they are strong town players - but it feels like they were instrumental in yesterdays lynch. Dan's backing off the vote potentially is a scum not wanting to be "on the wagon" - possibly cause his buddy was too?

BS again I feel like he was trolling us in the beginning, trying to be too scummy to be scummy. Then when the votes shift he starts prod dodging, allowing the lynch to go through mostly unnoticed. -BS potentially felt he could afford to take a risk this game, since there are two scums and it isn't a large game.

I don't really like the combo of psyche's hammer yesterday and the excuses this morning, and that's whats popping out to me VOTE: psyche

See this solve has to be wrong because of Pine votepark on BS. Scum!Pine just doesn’t votepark his buddy on D1, especially when BS was in serious danger of being lynched, so I really can’t see BS being buddies with Psyche for that reason.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

So this solve has to be wrong. Dann is obviously not scum. I know I’m not and BS and Psyche are EXTREMELY unlikely to ever be SvS here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Out of Banakai/Psyche, I currently think Psyche is more likely to be scum

Yeah maybe. I liked his interactions with me recently but there’s no reason they couldn’t be faked. I just really didn’t like Banaki’s solve of Psyche being clear if I flipped red but not the converse. Why wouldn’t I be clear if Psyche flipped red? That’s pinging me hard. It sounds like he’s setting me up to possibly be mislynched and that isn’t even the most suspicious post regarding that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I slightly agree with eth0's looking scummy. I didn't really see it until people started pushing him hard

I also think dan is a little sus, but everybody else is reading him as town it seems. he's definitely a player I've got my eye on.

I'll admit I feel a little stumped (no pun intended) right now. maybe I'm rusty because I'm not getting much out of the last few pages, it just seems like the same conversations going on and on. glad we are getting some more posts from less active people. Eth0s is a slight town lean for me (although I'd like if he answered my question about his vote), hope we'll hear from pine soon.

@sheep and anyone else who thinks I'm trying to play off my read as not serious/strong

this is litterally the first post where I stated I think dan is a little suspicious. if you really think that is "strong" than I don't know what to tell you.

Again, I'd rather a BS lynch at that point, but dan was someone who I was beginning to suspect.

at this stage I'd be ok with [BS, Dan, Eth0s] with dan and Eth0s being roughly tied

yeah i would feel fine with Eth0s lynch now, it really seems like he is just all riled up for no reason. Legitimately can't see a town motivation for this pyyra vote by him (but it's also too dumb for me to really see a good scum motivation either)

I don't think we'll get much better in the next 6 days so I *intend* to L-1 if nobody opposes

a part of me wants to think that he's doing this to become a stump, but also I think that's a terrible move as town, it's not like were finding any interesting information. It's just Ethos acting very blatantly scummy, and then what? is he gonna be a stump and say "hey vote these guys cause they voted me when I acted blatantly scummy"

overall just bizarre play IMO, does he just not know how to deal with a little pressure?

VOTE: eth0s L-1

now that eth0s is so close to lynch he's changed his tune completely, v strange *insert thinking emoji*

it would change, but I feel eth0s is trying to play the "maybe if I pretend I'm ok with being lynched my wagon will dissolve"

I never thought he wanted to be stumped but I recognized it as a possibility

if I thought he was a tree i wouldnt be voting him...

a part of me wants to think that he's doing this to become a stump, but also I think that's a terrible move as town, it's not like were finding any interesting information. It's just Ethos acting very blatantly scummy, and then what? is he gonna be a stump and say "hey vote these guys cause they voted me when I acted blatantly scummy"

I never thought he wanted to be stumped but I recognized it as a possibility

if I thought he was a tree i wouldnt be voting him...

I think it’s really strange you even seriously even considered this a possibility and still put him at L-1.

no it's not, if you are actually town you shouldn't ever be sure of anything. especially on day 1 where most of the game info is pretty superficial.

---

I have no argument to people who think im the scummiest scum scum. I probably have bad reads, im a human being.

it seems people are voting me for two reasons - because I voted eth0s (just like the majority of the town did) when he was acting scummy

, and because I dared to suggest that I scumread dan

i actually agree with what psyche is saying

i still think hes scum though

id prefer pyrrha vote but it feels were not gonna get that until she leads 2 mislynches on the town

Like, how is he absolutely not setting me up here?

@Banaki if you don’t think it makes sense for YOU to be blamed for Ethos’ mislynch, in what world do you think it makes logical sense for all of the blame to be put on me?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: sheep
I’ll let this be my answer to “what is my sheep read” for now

Not what I was expecting. I’m not confident on sheep scum but I still feel really confident on you town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Blatant Scum, what is your current read on Psyche or anyone other than sheep, Banaki, me, for that matter?

Who do you think is Banaki’s buddy?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think Gamma/sheep/Psyche contains both scum I’m just not sure which two right now

Not Gamma. The obvious conviction he’s shown in his recent posts are highly town indicative for him. I did have some brief doubt but his recent posts have convinced me my read on him is right.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Do I sheep my tr or the guy who’s working overtime to get me mislynched?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Do I sheep my tr or the guy who’s working overtime to get me mislynched?

Or does it even matter, if Psyche/sheep really is the scumteam?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think I read his interactions with you as townier than they actually are.

I need to talk to Gamma.

I think Gamma/sheep/Psyche contains both scum I’m just not sure which two right now

Yeah, well if this is right, then it’s definitely Psyche/sheep. I hardtown read Gamma, he’s not scum here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown

Yeah uh sheep you kinda have been contradicted by the person you are defending

I realize this is weak but it doesn’t read like a buddy post to me. I think if they were buddies, Gamma would be more likely to say this in scum chat. I also think scum!RC would have advised Pine to not votepark the slot who’s trying to pl him.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown

Yeah uh sheep you kinda have been contradicted by the person you are defending

I realize this is weak but it doesn’t read like a buddy post to me. I think if they were buddies, Gamma would be more likely to say this in scum chat. I also think scum!RC would have advised Pine to not votepark the slot who’s trying to pl him.

And let’s get real here, who in their right mind flakes with scum!RC as their buddy?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Checking in, not really reading yet. Happy with my BS vote, sad to see RC go, happy to see GE replaced him.

Wait, actually nm.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If pyrrha is town (an assumption I dont fully agree with) then sheep is probably the best lynch today.

I still think pyrrha could be wolfing.

Let me know when you stop superficial reading, kthanx.

never was

False, if you weren’t you wouldn’t still be scumreading me here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

https://media.giphy.com/media/bhoQxlYXkLzeE/giphy.gif

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'd appreciate transparency about reads at this point because I don't actually think hiding things is going to create anything productive.

+1

It would certainly help me decide where to vote. I still convinced on town!Banaki but I agree with Dann, it’s not the best vote, so I’m trying to decide between Psyche and sheep.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'd appreciate transparency about reads at this point because I don't actually think hiding things is going to create anything productive.

+1

It would certainly help me decide where to vote. I still NOT convinced on town!Banaki but I agree with Dann, it’s not the best vote, so I’m trying to decide between Psyche and sheep.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: sheep
I’ll let this be my answer to “what is my sheep read” for now

Can you elaborate on what made you want to vote this over Psyche?

The truth is my current team guess is actually sheep/BS but I wanted to give them time to react before I jumped to a conclusion. When you asked about my read I still wasn’t ready to do full disclosure but I was willing to reveal half of it. I recall Pyrrha suggesting that team earlier and thinking about past interactions that team might actually be solid. And I kinda feel sheep has higher scum equity if that’s not the team too. I could definitely see a sheep/Psyche team.

VOTE: sheep

L-1

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I will probably sheep Dennflor this game.

@Dannflor
Tell me how scum!sheep makes sense defending me and I will become your sheep, sheeping you on Sheep.

Yeah, that could make sense. I really have trouble seeing BS/Psyche as a team unless it was a consensual bus and the way sheep went out on that kind of a limb for BS, heavily suggests TMI to me, because my main reason for not wanting to vote BS, was because of Pine votepark and I couldn’t understand why scum!sheep goes out on this kind of a limb for town!BS. Also, why isn’t BS even a little suspicious of practically being townlocked for arguably scummy behaviour?

But his saying he could “find another wolf”, despite having Psyche 2nd to last in his POE, seemed hella weird and then we have Psyche having no read on sheep.

Anyway, if sheep flips town, BS is likely clear, because I really have trouble seeing him linked with anyone other than sheep.

If sheep is scum, Psyche or BS is his partner. If town, then it’s Psyche/Banaki.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

And then we have BS linking THIS game as his scum game. I was in a game once, where the first post one of the wolves made was something to the effect of, “ Help, I haven’t rolled scum in a very long time, any advice”? or words to that effect. I mistakenly thought he was joking but nope.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

consensual bus

non-consensual bussers are scum

Are you saying consensual buses never happen? *confused*

I think that knowing Pine’s hard anti-bussing stance, a Psyche/BS team is highly unlikely.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Mostly I'm curious what made you shift from "Psyche/Banakai are the two scummiest slots" to "Sheep/BS is my team guess."

EBWOP

VOTE: sheep
I’ll let this be my answer to “what is my sheep read” for now

Can you elaborate on what made you want to vote this over Psyche?

The truth is my current team guess is actually sheep/BS but I wanted to give them time to react before I jumped to a conclusion. When you asked about my read I still wasn’t ready to do full disclosure but I was willing to reveal half of it.

I recall Pyrrha suggesting that team earlier and thinking about past interactions that team might actually be solid

. And I kinda feel sheep has higher scum equity if that’s not the team too. I could definitely see a sheep/Psyche team.

@Dann, he already explained this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

The problem is... I just played in Alisae vs. Pine, as a part of Pine's scum team, where the scum team basically all hard bussed each other from D1.

Did Pine do any of the bussing or was he the one being bussed?

I read Pine say somewhere in MD, probably? that he was anti-bussing but I recently rolled scum with him in Marked for Death and he also said essentially the same thing in scum Discord.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Where I’m at Dann, is the only way I would ever even consider lynching Gamma, is if the playerlist was you, me, Penguin and Gamma. This is never scum!Gamma here, so of course that is never happening.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I just think a person being generally "anti-bussing" doesn't mean they'll never bus. But, I'll drop it because I think you're probably right in this case anyway.

Sure it’s possible but unlikely unless, it was consensual like I said but it’s far more likely that Psyche and BS aren’t SvS here.

I think hypothetically if BS begged Pine to bus him. he wouldn’t say no but otherwise, their interactions don’t read SvS to me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Where I’m at Dann, is the only way I would ever even consider lynching Gamma, is if the playerlist was you, me, Penguin and Gamma. This is never scum!Gamma here, so of course that is never happening.

That's fine! But I still need to try and sort him because I don't have as confident a read as you do.

And, unfortunately, because of the nature of the game mechanics, the playerlist is probably not gonna get thinned down until scum has enough douses to end the game. So a scenario with just the four of us alive is probably unlikely. As such, I want to be a little more conscientious about absolutely making sure there are no wolves in the town block you've created. I know you're already there, and I'll probably get there eventually too if you're right, I just need this process still.

Sure that’s fine, I’m obviously not opposed to that but maybe it would help you to parse Gamma if you ISO’d him in MD and especially CoaLITion? Being his buddy in both of those games, the differences to me here are obvious. He is genuinely sorting here and it’s in a logical, measured and calm way.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Psyche¹ has been prodded and has (expired on 2019-11-22 12:01:39) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Hmmmmmmmmmm maybe we should just lynch Psyche

That's two players now who have flaked out of the slot while posting elsewhere on the site

UNVOTE:

If he doesn’t pick up his prod, I say we lynch him?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

And like I feel like my current headspace is Psyche is my strongest individual scumread, sheep is second strongest individual, and BS and Banakai are both somewhat nebulous around third and fourth. I feel like you may have a point about Banakai pushing you being a town thing but I also think his logic has kinda sucked and he acts like he has explained himself when he hasn’t

I think if Psyche doesn’t pick up his prod, he’s definitely scumclaiming.

So, in that case I’d prefer him over sheep.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pyrrha

Dann
Gamma
Penguin

BS/Banaki
Sheep/Psyche

Those aren’t teams just likelihood of POE.

But Psyche flaking makes me question scum!sheep motivation in hard defending BS, so I don’t think Banaki should be clear here, by a longshot. Also him blaming me for a mislynch, he was equally onboard for, reads somewhat scummy to me.

So Psyche flake makes this vote easy, I think.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

blahhhhhhh

I wish more people were playing

I've had a pretty shit past two days...I'll effort tomorrow. Unless you want memes...I can do memes right now.

{vote} memes {/vote}

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pine! Get out of the background!

Post-game, I want to nominate this for some kind of scummie.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

the scum team is gamma/sheep?

Are you serious?

Am I the only person here who can read Gamma?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I prodded Gamma on who he wanted to lynch and he said that individually Banakai and Psyche were the two scummiest players (for rlly bad reasons imo)

And then once 2 votes go to sheep and even Pyrrha starts suspecting sheep as well Gamma formulates this really awkward explanation for his shift onto sheep because he has to bus here otherwise he never endgames

I don't think his shift here was natural at all and it was clearly pre-mediated

I think it's easy to town read the "I have scum reads but don't want to share them yet" because it looks like town trying to get information, but in this case I believe it's just Gamma trying to make his push look believable

I definitely don't think town!Gamma drops his pushes on Banakai or Psyche so easily—he defines them as "nebulous scum reads," and being widely scum read slots, keeps them in the much needed mislynch pool—nor does he go from softly shading sheep all game to having him as his #2 individual scum read.

Dann, this is so wrong. Gamma didn’t say anything I hadn’t previously posted. If he had misrepped me here, you don’t honestly think I would have 100% called him out on it?

I did make those posts he was referencing. He isn’t making anything up.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

And Pyrrha I know you're in never lynch Gamma mode, that's fine

but trust me on sheep at least

and then we'll go from there

There isn’t any reason to think Gamma’s scum. Do I need to requote those posts he was referencing?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Dann, this is so wrong. Gamma didn’t say anything I hadn’t previously posted. If he had misrepped me here, you don’t honestly think I would have 100% called him out on it?

I did make those posts he was referencing. He isn’t making anything up.

I have absolutely no clue what you're referencing here and I think you may have misread my post

I wasn't implying that Gamma was lying about you saying that sheep/BS could be a team

I'm just saying that the transition of seeing that and it changing his reads is fake

How is it fake? You’ve been changing your solve constantly but when Gamma does the same, you sr him for it? It sounds completely believable to me and genuine. You also were convinced on GDGW being scum, so please trust me on this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

And Pyrrha I know you're in never lynch Gamma mode, that's fine

but trust me on sheep at least

and then we'll go from there

What about if Psyche doesn’t pick up his prod? You don’t think that’s AI anymore?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I prodded Gamma on who he wanted to lynch and he said that individually Banakai and Psyche were the two scummiest players (for rlly bad reasons imo)

And then once 2 votes go to sheep and even Pyrrha starts suspecting sheep as well Gamma formulates this really awkward explanation for his shift onto sheep because he has to bus here otherwise he never endgames

I don't think his shift here was natural at all and it was clearly pre-mediated

I think it's easy to town read the "I have scum reads but don't want to share them yet" because it looks like town trying to get information, but in this case I believe it's just Gamma trying to make his push look believable

I definitely don't think town!Gamma drops his pushes on Banakai or Psyche so easily—he defines them as "nebulous scum reads," and being widely scum read slots, keeps them in the much needed mislynch pool—nor does he go from softly shading sheep all game to having him as his #2 individual scum read.

Dann, I’ve been flipflopping all game too. When did Gamma ever tr sheep? Like sorry, I’m not getting this at all. I think Gamma’s recent posting has been super townie.

You really really need to ISO him in CoaLITion. Why doesn’t scum!Gamma reluctantly vote sheep then? Why do this? If he’s going to bus, why make it so goddamned obvious, when he doesn’t need to?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Dann, this is so wrong. Gamma didn’t say anything I hadn’t previously posted. If he had misrepped me here, you don’t honestly think I would have 100% called him out on it?

I did make those posts he was referencing. He isn’t making anything up.

I have absolutely no clue what you're referencing here and I think you may have misread my post

All I know is I have a completely different take on Gamma’s most recent posting than you do. I don’t understand why you’re reading it as fake?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I don’t think scum!Gamma goes out of his way to deliberately paint a target on his back, when he doesn’t even need to. If he’s buddies with sheep, all that’s necessary is for him to vote there and get towncred. Scum!Gamma has no need to hardbus sheep, so where’s the scum motivation in any of this?

Look, unless your argument is he doesn’t want to lynch Psyche and we can test that out if he doesn’t pick up his prod, right?

Because I would definitely view that as scum indicative. So, if he picks up his prod, I’m putting my vote back on sheep. If not, I’m voting Psyche. If Gamma’s town, he’ll vote there too based on his solve.

And I still don’t see why he isn’t.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Can we just agree that if we lynch Sheep today and he flips scum we lynch me tomorrow? I think you two arguing about me is a waste of time here.

I don’t believe in gamethrowing and mislynching qualifies as that. I would have hard vetoed GDGW mislynch but me and RC couldn’t do that because we didn’t want to get them NK’d. Since there’s very little chance of that, I will hard veto your lynch because I don’t agree with Dann. If you were scum here, I think I would have been pinged by those posts, even a little.

If it ever happens that the game literally is me, Dann, Penguin and you, that would be different but I think your solve is credible and we’ll definitely have a much better idea if Psyche picks up or doesn’t pick up his role pm. I really can’t see any reason for town!Psyche not to, while posting elsewhere on site. If he does then, sheep is the best lynch today. I unvoted because I’m waiting to find that out.

I think if Psyche does pick it up, BS still seems slightly townier but meh. But I think him failing to pick up the prod is a scumclaim, so we’ll see.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Can we just agree that if we lynch Sheep today and he flips scum we lynch me tomorrow? I think you two arguing about me is a waste of time here.

I don’t believe in gamethrowing and mislynching qualifies as that. I would have hard vetoed GDGW mislynch but me and RC couldn’t do that because we didn’t want to get them NK’d. Since there’s very little chance of that, I will hard veto your lynch because I don’t agree with Dann. If you were scum here, I think I would have been pinged by those posts, even a little.

If it ever happens that the game literally is me, Dann, Penguin and you, that would be different but I think your solve is credible and we’ll definitely have a much better idea if Psyche picks up or doesn’t pick up his role pm. I really can’t see any reason for town!Psyche not to, while posting elsewhere on site. If he does then, sheep is the best lynch today. I unvoted because I’m waiting to find that out.

I think if Psyche does pick it up, BS still seems slightly townier but meh. But I think him failing to pick up the prod is a scumclaim, so we’ll see.

Probably

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I also want to wait for Banaki to post. He was gung ho on Ethos lynch, even made that weird post about him wanting to be stumped and then he wants to mislynch me for it? Is Banaki bad town or scum? I want clarification.

I usually view mindmelding with me as more likely to come from town than scum and I totally get Gamma’s thought processes on that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I honestly think lynching scum once puts the game heavily in town’s favor. As such I am willing to make a sacrifice like that upon a scumflip.

We already have one mislynch in Ethos, we don’t need a second. Town loses games all the damn time because of stupid heroics, so no.

BP: GDGW self-votes=town loses
MfD: DDL self-votes=town loses.

I have yet to see that ever work in town’s favour.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Could you link those games please?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81030&start=10700

Baton Pass

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Could you link those games please?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81030&start=10700

Baton Pass

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81087&start=525

Marked for Death

I’m sure there are others.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah I'm feeling sheep/psyche

can we lynch tho

I think this is probably right but we need 5 votes.

VOTE: sheep

L-1

(again)

If we can’t get a 5th vote on sheep, Psyche slot, is also a good vote.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Can we please get someone that will consistently post this time

Yeah, all of this prodding is getting beyond ridiculous.

Spoiler:

I know there are some posts addressed to me. I’m not ignoring them but I’ve had a rough couple of days and my head isn’t really on mafia but I’ll do the best I can, despite that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I wish stumps couldn't talk.

I'm fine with sheep today. I won't necessarily sheep dann if it flips red though. Psyche slot is underwhelming.

I'm still trying to parse this post and it looks scummier every time I look at it.

Which part, the part about him apparently dissing you or the part about his read on sheep/Psyche being good?

Like I can understand WHY you don’t like it but why you actually sr it, is a mystery to me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

hi im still here

honestly I don't know what to say -(-_-)-

One more thing. I think this phase should drag on a bit. Maybe an unsatisfying opinion but we've got 1 slot about to be replaced, probably 2. And a couple slots not really doing anything. I think we should milk this day a bit more. And definitely let the replacements get resolved.

I agree in theory

problem is no one seems that excited about doing anything

yeah I'm feeling sheep/psyche

can we lynch tho

That’s up to Banaki, since BS hasn’t posted, sheep’s being prodded and Psyche replacement hasn’t been found yet, I don’t think?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I wish stumps couldn't talk.

I'm fine with sheep today. I won't necessarily sheep dann if it flips red though. Psyche slot is underwhelming.

I'm still trying to parse this post and it looks scummier every time I look at it.

Which part, the part about him apparently dissing you or the part about his read on sheep/Psyche being good?

Like I can understand WHY you don’t like it but why you actually sr it, is a mystery to me.

there's the fact that I'm contributing much more than him but he feels the need to complain about my ability to talk, how he is "okay" with the easiest lynch of the day but doesn't dive in any deeper. Saying he won't sheep dann if the thing he's been pushing basically all game flips red (when he's basically been sheeping dann already anyway) and is basically just shading psyche.

It’s good he said he wouldn’t sheep Dann AT the SPECIFIC TIME he said it, because Dann wanted to lynch Gamma and please tell me why you’re townreading Psyche here?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I find it difficult to scum read Penguin for doing nothing when there's like four other slots who have done less than Penguin overall also doing nothing

the fact that he actively wants conftown slots silenced is the main reason his activity worries me

Do you really think scum!Penguin would actually say that?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Blatant Scum³ has been prodded. Since this is his third prod, I'm also going to start looking for a replacement now, but if he returns before I find somebody he can stay. Psyche is still be being replaced.

@mod with all of these replacements, I really think we need an extension here.

We only have 3 days and not enough people voting.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think scum have given up

Maybe so but we still can’t win without a lynch, so this is extremely frustrating.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

imagine trying as scum

Yeah, well I agree but what are we supposed to do here? We’re pretty much being held hostage if we can’t get a lynch. If we don’t get an extension, we all may be forced to switch to Psyche to get one, because the entire sheep wagon can switch to Psyche but eventhough I think he’s probably sheep’s likeliest partner, I’d rather not have scum force our hand here but I’m starting to lose hope we will have a choice.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

BS you should vote sheep or Psyche

Yeah, Banaki wagon definitely isn’t happening today.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

imagine playing mafia

With all of the prodding and flaking, it kind of feels exactly like what we’re dong here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown

Yeah uh sheep you kinda have been contradicted by the person you are defending

I realize this is weak but it doesn’t read like a buddy post to me. I think if they were buddies, Gamma would be more likely to say this in scum chat. I also think scum!RC would have advised Pine to not votepark the slot who’s trying to pl him.

Factional Communication:

During the night phase

you may talk with your partner [Private Topic Link]here[/Private Topic Link].

I don’t see how that changes what I said?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I will probably sheep Dennflor this game.

@Dannflor
Tell me how scum!sheep makes sense defending me and I will become your sheep, sheeping you on Sheep.

Yeah, that could make sense. I really have trouble seeing BS/Psyche as a team unless it was a consensual bus and the way sheep went out on that kind of a limb for BS, heavily suggests TMI to me, because my main reason for not wanting to vote BS, was because of Pine votepark and I couldn’t understand why scum!sheep goes out on this kind of a limb for town!BS. Also, why isn’t BS even a little suspicious of practically being townlocked for arguably scummy behaviour?

But his saying he could “find another wolf”, despite having Psyche 2nd to last in his POE, seemed hella weird and then we have Psyche having no read on sheep.

Anyway, if sheep flips town, BS is likely clear, because I really have trouble seeing him linked with anyone other than sheep.

If sheep is scum, Psyche or BS is his partner. If town, then it’s Psyche/Banaki.

Where was I locktowned?

Sheep practically had you as locktown from pretty much their first post.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think Psyche goes tomorrow regardless of how this flips

Yeah, and if town, then it’s Psyche/Banaki.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

hullo

im not firefighter btw hammer away

i should die before lylo anyway

death is so unintimidating when i can still do stuff in thread as a clear

I’m starting to have doubts now. :/

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think Psyche goes tomorrow regardless of how this flips

Yeah, and if town, then it’s Psyche/Banaki.

I still think I would lynch both before BS but if town, then it means I was probably right.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I don't really feel bad about lynching here even if it does flip town

no one gave much of anything to work off of today besides Pyrrha and Gamma a little

I was not at all impressed with Banaki’s contribution. If sheep flips town, I don’t see how it isn’t exactly Psyche/Banaki and if scum, I wouldn’t 100% rule out distancing but I would lynch Psyche next regardless like you said, followed by Banaki but less sure on him, if sheep is scum.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Other reads:

Never lynch: Pyrrha, Banakai (I know don't @ me)

Town probably please don't lynch: Blatant Scum, Penguin

Lynch these!: Psyche, Gamma

Dann, I’m strongly convinced that Gamma is never scum here, so I would lynch Psyche/Banaki/BS - in that order, before I’d even consider Gamma. If it’s LYLO with either you/Penguin or both + Gamma, that is the only way rn, I’d even consider that.

I feel very confident Gamma is town here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Dann, I really don’t see how Gamma ever flips scum here. Nothing he’s done here has made me even remotely suspicious, so I’m at a total loss as to why you think he’s scum here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Dann, I really don’t see how Gamma ever flips scum here. Nothing he’s done here has made me even remotely suspicious, so I’m at a total loss as to why you think he’s scum here.

Could be

And I don’t tr Banaki. I still think his voting Ethos and then saying he’s probably wanting to be a stump, is highly suspicious. Also his blaming me for Ethos’ mislynch is seriously scummy. Banaki is nowhere near being remotely clear. If I were to list side by side the reasons for Banaki having scum equity over Gamma, like there’d be no contest.

I only think Psyche has greater scum equity to Banaki. If game doesn’t end after sheep/Psyche flips, I’m powerlynching Banaki.

If it still doesn’t end, then BS and if the game still doesn’t end, maybe Gamma but that won’t happen.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think scum have given up

I wish stumps couldn't talk.

I'm fine with sheep today. I won't necessarily sheep dann if it flips red though. Psyche slot is underwhelming.

I'm still trying to parse this post and it looks scummier every time I look at it.

Which part, the part about him apparently dissing you or the part about his read on sheep/Psyche being good?

Like I can understand WHY you don’t like it but why you actually sr it, is a mystery to me.

there's the fact that I'm contributing much more than him but he feels the need to complain about my ability to talk, how he is "okay" with the easiest lynch of the day but doesn't dive in any deeper. Saying he won't sheep dann if the thing he's been pushing basically all game flips red (when he's basically been sheeping dann already anyway) and is basically just shading psyche.

It’s good he said he wouldn’t sheep Dann AT the SPECIFIC TIME he said it, because Dann wanted to lynch Gamma and please tell me why you’re townreading Psyche here?

I never said I was townreading psyche

Seems like you did to me
I might fetch the quotes indicating this

Just out of curiosity, why would you even bother? He’s a stump and has proven to not have great reads but if you’re going to “fetch quotes”, shouldn’t it be on the living players?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I’m not really shocked, the blatant lack of logical progression in an ISO is usually scum indicative. When he said, it was a towntell, what actually is a sheep towntell, is for him to waffle back and forth on reads. Like in one game, he changed his alignment read on me almost every other post. One post I was probably town, the next he was paranoid about me pocketing him but his ISO overall still made logical sense.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Gamma/sheep team isnt a thing from the interactions I remember so I need to re sort

You're gonna have to elaborate on this because my solve has been sheep/Gamma for a good while now. I think their interactions definitely do make a Gamma/sheep team a probable thing and I will case this in its entirety later this day phase.

I've come back to town reading the Psyche slot over the night-break and I find both Blatant Scum and Penguin to be unlikely partners for sheep.

@january, do you mind expanding on your Banakai town read?

Penguin has been obvtown from the getgo. As for BS, his play here could be typical for his towngames.

Ok Dann, can you please give me examples of Gamma buddy posts because I’m not seeing it? I’m also not convinced that sheep and Banaki couldn’t be distancing. Also, why are you now convinced on Psyche town?

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Micro 898 | Forest Fire

Forests are beautiful and fires are beautiful. Are forest fires beautiful, too?

This game is in

Day 3

and the current deadline is

(expired on 2019-12-10 09:00:00).

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Moderated by Plotinus

Alive:

1. 1. Blatant Scum³
   2. Pyrrha Nikos
   3. Gamma Emerald
   replaces RadiantCowbells
   
   
   4. eth0s¹, tree stumped day 1
   
   6. Banakai¹
   7. Psyche
   replaces Pine¹
   
   8. PenguinPower¹
   9. Dannflor

Spoiler: Dead (1)

1. 5. sheepsaysmeep¹, arsonist, lynched day 2

Spoiler: Spectators (1)

• hubris

Spoiler: Original Playerlist (9)

Original Playerlist:

1. 1. Blatant Scum
   2. Pyrrha Nikos
   3. RadiantCowbells
   4. eth0s
   5. sheepsaysmeep
   6. Banakai
   7. Pine
   8. PenguinPower
   9. Dannflor

Events

6 - Day 1 begins
72 - Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells
336 - Psyche replaces Pine
604 - eth0s is chopped down, Night 1 begins

606 - Day 2 begins
1156 - sheepsaysmeep is chopped down, Night 2 begins
1157 - january replaces Psyche

1158 - Day 3 begins

Spoiler: Vote Counter Settings

Living Players

Blatant Scum
Pyrrha Nikos
Gamma Emerald (replaces RadiantCowbells)
Banakai
january (replaces Psyche; Pine)
PenguinPower
Dannflor

Links

Day 1: Post #6
Day 2: Post #607
Day 3: Post #1158

@janary, you linked the wrong post.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

this is a somewhat unpopular opinion maybe but i feel like pyrrha has a pretty high scum potential.. i would actually put her lower on the list but i feel like she has both scumtold AND towntold which is confusing my reads atm

idk what's up with my slot and being the only one who scumreads pyrrha lol

If you’re seriously pushing me, I’m gonna take Dann is probably wrong for a 1,000, Alex?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

Pine had 2 posts...

And yeah I'm gonna case Gamma but not tonight

january trying to push me here, is pinging me pretty hard. If he tries to push a mislynch on me, he’s defacto scumclaiming imo.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah fair i felt like pyrrha's early d1 was a lot scummier than the rest

i did base most of my reads on early game just because i skimmed through late d1 and early d2

i just feel like her playstyle just seems a bit... different? feels like her reads are a bit too jumpy. i'm a bit lazy to compare meta rn but if anyone has info i'd appreciate it

oh and also i feel like she's relying way too much on meta to make reads. for example the sheep read - felt like if she had disregarded meta then sheep would have been pretty obvmaf to her. forgot if she ended up changing her mind but my point is just that meta does not go nearly as far as you might think it does

Making meta reads makes you sr me, why?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

Pine had 2 posts...

And yeah I'm gonna case Gamma but not tonight

january trying to push me here, is pinging me pretty hard. If he tries to push a mislynch on me, he’s defacto scumclaiming imo.

did you quote the wrong post too lol

and idk why you think that someone scumreading you makes them scum...
its not like you've been towny lmfao

Hey, are you willing to go 1v1 with me and get me stumped and you follow because I won’t hesitate to do that if you continue to push me? Because I think Dann is wrong and I’m willing to bet the game on it. Are you?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

wait sorry that's mean i don't mean to provoke you

you have towntold but you also have done some scummy things and i think good town players are usually willing to accept that there might be reasons for people to scumread them

Better.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah fair i felt like pyrrha's early d1 was a lot scummier than the rest

i did base most of my reads on early game just because i skimmed through late d1 and early d2

i just feel like her playstyle just seems a bit... different?

feels like her reads are a bit too jumpy.

i'm a bit lazy to compare meta rn but if anyone has info i'd appreciate it

oh and also i feel like she's relying way too much on meta to make reads. for example the sheep read - felt like if she had disregarded meta then sheep would have been pretty obvmaf to her. forgot if she ended up changing her mind but my point is just that meta does not go nearly as far as you might think it does

Making meta reads makes you sr me, why?

i never said that i scumread you for making meta reads?
they're two different paragraphs because they're two different ideas

bold = why i scumread you
last paragraph = a comment on your playstyle

The bolded is why you should townlock me because I don’t play like that as scum.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I find Pyrrha will generally scum read anyone who scum reads her regardless of her alignment

Actually that isn’t true. If I think someone is obvtown, I’m very unlikely to sr them and january isn’t imo.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah fair i felt like pyrrha's early d1 was a lot scummier than the rest

i did base most of my reads on early game just because i skimmed through late d1 and early d2

i just feel like her playstyle just seems a bit... different?

feels like her reads are a bit too jumpy.

i'm a bit lazy to compare meta rn but if anyone has info i'd appreciate it

oh and also i feel like she's relying way too much on meta to make reads. for example the sheep read - felt like if she had disregarded meta then sheep would have been pretty obvmaf to her. forgot if she ended up changing her mind but my point is just that meta does not go nearly as far as you might think it does

Making meta reads makes you sr me, why?

i never said that i scumread you for making meta reads?
they're two different paragraphs because they're two different ideas

bold = why i scumread you
last paragraph = a comment on your playstyle

That last paragraph is entirely NAI, hence at least part of the reason I’m suspicious of this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

ok well that's quite annoying lol

if i was to randomly start this day scumreading dann, i think he'd ask me why rather than just quickly calling me scum
and i'd townread him more for that

Yeah, if you started this day sr Dann, I’d probably also call you scum. You’re lhf yes? So, why wouldn’t I sr for pushing

anyone

whom I read as obvtown?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

Pine had 2 posts...

And yeah I'm gonna case Gamma but not tonight

january trying to push me here, is pinging me pretty hard. If he tries to push a mislynch on me, he’s defacto scumclaiming imo.

did you quote the wrong post too lol

and idk why you think that someone scumreading you makes them scum...
its not like you've been towny lmfao

Hey, are you willing to go 1v1 with me and get me stumped and you follow because I won’t hesitate to do that if you continue to push me? Because I think Dann is wrong and I’m willing to bet the game on it. Are you?

is this a trap question lol

no i don't want to stump you but if you keep misrepping my posts (or just ignoring half the stuff i say maybe?) then i'm willing to lynch you if all you're gonna do is tunnel me because i don't think a genuine town would be so unwilling to rethink their reads
and no i'm definitely not gonna follow you (whichever meaning you're talking about there). a) i'm not gonna follow your reads i'm gonna make my own / b) i'm not gonna get lynched because i'm towntelling

and no i'm not trying to stump you? i'm trying to lynch you if you're maf and i think you might be maf!
but also you're refusing to even read me and all you've done is omgus me.. and psyche

if you need proof on the above statement: are you aware that i called gamma my strongest scumread? or are you just ignoring it?
bc that means that i want to lynch gamma over you rn!

I wasn’t joking. I will go 1 v 1 with anyone who suspiciously pushes me here, because I’m convinced town won’t do that but this post isn’t terrible. I’m not sure if it’s enough to make you town though.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

That last paragraph is entirely NAI, hence at least part of the reason I’m suspicious of this.

it's fking intended to be NAI

i'm just commenting on your play and trying to say that you should base your reads less on meta

and you scumread me for saying something NAI? everyone's said something NAI and i don't think this makes me any more scummy than everyone else?

i get it if you don't like me criticizing your reads... if that's the problem i'll stop...
but don't say that my criticizing reads without making alignment conclusions is scummy because it sure as hell isn't

I’m bleeding obvtown here and yeah of course you pushing me, considering you’re lhf here, isn’t going to make me tr you. How do you not see this? Seriously?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

im more than willing to 1v1 you if you for some reason make the mistake of forcing it (:

if only because i know for a fact i'll win and i want to prove it

but that's beside the point... i don't think that'll get anywhere except for improving my ego

You’ll win by mislynching me? not if you’re town you won’t.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

im more than willing to 1v1 you if you for some reason make the mistake of forcing it (:

if only because i know for a fact i'll win and i want to prove it

but that's beside the point... i don't think that'll get anywhere except for improving my ego

How is stumping me going to improve your ego?

It’s posts like these that make it difficult to tr you.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

im more than willing to 1v1 you if you for some reason make the mistake of forcing it (:

if only because i know for a fact i'll win and i want to prove it

but that's beside the point... i don't think that'll get anywhere except for improving my ego

How is stumping me going to improve your ego?

It’s posts like these that make it difficult to tr you.

Serious question. How is my townflip going to “improve your ego”?

Explain that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

what's lhf?

and no i said i'll win the 1v1 and then at the end of the post i say "it won't get anywhere except improving my ego" which means that it would just be to improve my ego and not to further the game

low hanging fruit.

Okay, I’m legit confused by this.

Improving your ego isn’t the same to you as furthering the game?

Tell me why Gamma is scum and Banaki town?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

sorry i'll spell everything i say out very very clearly

beating you if you forced a 1v1 would improve my ego because it would mean i'm townier than you
this would prove that you are incorrect about you being more "obvtown" than me and therefore mean that i am actually more "obvtown" than you
thus improving my fragile ego by proving that i am better than you
QED

Still not following? When I mislynched Ethos, it didn’t do much for my ego but lynching sheep definitely did.

I’m trying to understand Dann’s Banaki tr and Gamma sr, because rn I’m not seeing it?

I also admit, it wouldn’t do much for my ego to be wrong on Gamma.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

it has nothing to do with your flip and everything to do with me being townier than you (:

anyways this isn't getting anywhere i'm going to sleep

No offence but you’re not. Not that I’m necessarily sr you but that is definitely not true.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

no its not the same thing at all
at this exact moment of time where i am very annoyed with you, my ego does not care about winning the game and cares much more about proving you wrong
hopefully that changes tomorrow!

i already explained the banakai read so if you reread that it'll save us both some time
and gamma's mostly PoE but i'll quote some stuff tomorrow

I wouldn’t ask if I was mindmelding with you and Dann on this, so please explain it again to me, like I’m 5, kthanx.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

but i'll get back to my pyrrha read later. it might just be paranoia?

ok read on banakai
all kinda centers around a discussion in d1 i think(?)

Spoiler: quotes

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

Out of curiosity, how would you stop me?

Let's not leave it at that since you brought it up. It happened over the course of 2ish hours - read: quickly. Very likely that you weren't even present before or during the interaction.

yes I agree with penguin please explain this

That's fair. I'd hope in a theoretical scum PT I'd be able to talk to him before hand and maybe dissuade that plan.

But you're right in that I wasn't present for the actual interaction. So, bad defense. I guess I could be the potential BS scum partner here. But uh, I'm not.

it sorta seems to me like all 3 of u guys (PP, Banakai, Dann) all townslipped by assuming maf had daytalk
but of the 3, i felt that banakai was the most... lowkey(?) about the assumption of daytalk
i think if he was mafia there he'd either try to make the "townslip" more obvious by explicitly mentioning daytalk, but instead he just says "yeah answer PP's question"

I’m still not sure how Banaki “townslipped” here? What did you think about him saying that Ehos wanted to be stumped? Also, it still bugs me that he was equally gung ho about the Ethos’ mislynch, yet he still inexplicably blamed me for leading it. Being first on a bad wagon /= “leading/driving a mislynch, so both of those things still ping me. Plus his play recently has been seriously underwhelming. Also, him accusing Dann of “fake townslipping”, sounded like a weird thing to say.

Like if we lynch Gamma and game doesn’t end, it’s 100% not me. I can’t see a world where it’s Dann and I hard tr Penguin and I still don’t see how Gamma is a sheep buddy. So that’s where I’m at.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

exactly! you're supporting my point rn!

if i win the hypothetical 1v1 then it proves you wrong, thus it's an "ego lynch" rather than a game-furthering lynch. i come from a site where people accept these as 2 different things, so maybe we're just using different vocabulary. maybe "annoyed with you so i lynch you without regard to whether or not i think you're scum" is a better description of what i mean by "ego lynch"?

of course your ego didn't feel good lynching eth0s he was obvious town lol

How was he “obvious town”? He was death tunneling me and trying to hard drive my mislynch?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

exactly! you're supporting my point rn!

if i win the hypothetical 1v1 then it proves you wrong, thus it's an "ego lynch" rather than a game-furthering lynch. i come from a site where people accept these as 2 different things, so maybe we're just using different vocabulary. maybe "annoyed with you so i lynch you without regard to whether or not i think you're scum" is a better description of what i mean by "ego lynch"?

of course your ego didn't feel good lynching eth0s he was obvious town lol

How was he “obvious town”? He was death tunneling me and trying to hard drive my mislynch?

Okay, I’m starting to get what you meant by the ego thing but if I did a 1 v 1 with town, my ego would take a massive beating because then I obviously died for nothing.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I’m still not sure how Banaki “townslipped” here?

i think he did. is there anything you want to discuss?

What did you think about him saying that Ehos wanted to be stumped?

didn't read this, can you quote it?

Also, it still bugs me that he was equally gung ho about the Ethos’ mislynch, yet he still inexplicably blamed me for leading it.

idk what this is either... didn't read it. i definitely based most of my read on what i believe to be a townslip

Being first on a bad wagon /= “leading/driving a mislynch, so both of those things still ping me.

being the very first on a bad wagon tends to be a town thing imo. scum usually is too scared to lead the wagon? obviously not true all the time but reads to me that banakai probably would not have done that on d1. imo this is at worst NAI but at best a towntell (ish)

Plus his play recently has been seriously underwhelming. Also, him accusing Dann of “fake townslipping”, sounded like a weird thing to say.

so like... i also did not read this? maybe the townslip clouded my judgement but i've been skipping over his posts.

Like if we lynch Gamma and game doesn’t end, it’s 100% not me. I can’t see a world where it’s Dann and I hard tr Penguin and I still don’t see how Gamma is a sheep buddy. So that’s where I’m at.

fair enough, i agree with some of your reads and i get why you'd be scumreading me and/or banakai if only because there's literally nobody else to scumread
but i do think i've towntold and so has psyche so i'm asking you to reconsider

I was first on Ethos’ wagon, not Banaki.

I will find you that quote.

I agree you sound townier than Psyche. In ND, scum!sheep’s entire team was setting him up to be bussed throughout the game. Sheep knew Dann was never backing off of him and he clearly wasn’t too upset about dying, so that makes me think a Banaki bus is definitely possible.

Banaki had sheep as his top tr along with Penguin and Gamma, in that exact order iirc?
He also had me and Dann and your predecessor and BS as teams and his strongest sr.

And then once sheep is likely to be the lynch, his posting pretty much takes a nosedive, so I’m not convinced sheep didn’t bus.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Why is town!Banaki’s posting suddenly fallen off? Wouldn’t town!Banaki be even more motivated to play after scum lynch?

His sudden dramatic decrease in activity, practically doing nothing once sheep was the wagon and barely contributing looks hella suspicious to me.

I think maybe it could be sheep/Banaki. I think he has way more scum equity than Gamma, who I still think is a probable mislynch here but if we lynch him and game doesn’t end, my money’s on Banaki. I still think Banaki’s play is scummy and sheep could easily have been trying to make him look good by distancing.

Pyrrha

Dann

Penguin

january/BS/Gamma

Banaki

I think everything considered, Banaki is currently the scummiest slot to me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

on Dan:

why I didn't elaborate: I didn't have time to type out every thought the other day

at the start of the game he's very suspcious of BS, then suddenly in post 176 he changes to "BS IS TOWN" seemingly instantly. Just seems a little weird to me. What caused this sudden change?

I'm disappointed that no-one has laid down a vote since the first few pages of the game. RVS is important and I feel we've skipped entirely by it. Regardless, I think this game-state indicates that BS is more likely town than not.

im actually really confident in sheep bs pyrrha dann all villa

is the size of the remaining poe game winning

So... Put down a vote on one of them?

these and many other quotes in his ISO seem to indicate he really wants people to vote. even 200 posts in he's still advocating for RVS votes. Why do you want people to vote so bad? idk seems kinda scummy to me. Usually town wants to hold off lynching someone until close to the deadline.

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

also this - he says he isn't BS' scum buddy because the BS vs RC situation wouldn't happen, an argument that makes no sense. Later when questioned about it, he redacts this statement.

also just in general this quote shows he's worried about being called scum? IMO pushing the alternative in general isn't the scummy thing. He already said he was townreading BS, why does he need to prove his vote isn't scummy?

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

Factional Communication:

During the night phase

you may talk with your partner [Private Topic Link]here[/Private Topic Link].

Out of curiosity, how would you stop me?

Oh, I haven't played in a game without day talk in a while.

to me this reads a little like

a fake town slip

@january

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It just seems so forced though

idk how it's forced. I'll admit it's a bit weak. I wasn't trying to convince anyone to vote him, I still think BS would be a better overall lynch. I just wanted to get it out there that I saw some peculiar behavior in him. I know most people are and were town reading him, and I'm going to mostly trust their judgement for now until I see more shady shit. I just don't think he's such obv town like everyone else seems to think.

why do you think I would try to "force" a scum read on one of the most town-read players in the game.

Throwing RVS in to your point about asking about votes when it is not involved at all and calling something out as a fake townslip when there’s nothing that makes it less of a possible scum post at the surface level tells me you are trying way to hard to justify yourself.

I didn't throw RVS into anything. Dan mentioned multiple times that he wanted more RVS votes, when the game had already moved far passed that stage. That's what my point was with that.

I said it "reads to me" like a fake townslip. I didn't say it was. to me, "oh I didn't know the scum mechanics" is a common thing scum would say to seem town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah i would feel fine with Eth0s lynch now, it really seems like he is just all riled up for no reason. Legitimately can't see a town motivation for this pyyra vote by him (but it's also too dumb for me to really see a good scum motivation either)

I don't think we'll get much better in the next 6 days so I *intend* to L-1 if nobody opposes

a part of me wants to think that he's doing this to become a stump, but also I think that's a terrible move as town, it's not like were finding any interesting information. It's just Ethos acting very blatantly scummy, and then what? is he gonna be a stump and say "hey vote these guys cause they voted me when I acted blatantly scummy"

now that eth0s is so close to lynch he's changed his tune completely, v strange *insert thinking emoji*

it would change, but I feel eth0s is trying to play the "maybe if I pretend I'm ok with being lynched my wagon will dissolve"

I never thought he wanted to be stumped but I recognized it as a possibility

if I thought he was a tree i wouldnt be voting him...

i actually agree with what psyche is saying

i still think hes scum though

id prefer pyrrha vote but it feels were not gonna get that until she leads 2 mislynches on the town

[Pyrrha Nikos]

498 is the weird stump post. 742 is the post where he is blaming the lynch on me, despite clearly being onboard with it. 498 reads like TMI and 742 is highly sus because why would town wrongly accuse me of leading a mislynch that he was quite keen on? He’s acting like I somehow pressured him to vote Ethos and he’s completely denying any responsibility for his part in it whatsoever. So to everyone who’s tr Banaki, how is this coming from a townie mindset?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

tbf i did consider that that might've been a fake townslip from one of them and dann did feel the most likely (to be clear, i decided it probably wasn't, but i did consider it)
and banakai considering it actually makes HIS townslip even more towny imo

feels like u might be doing the thing again where u scumread banakai for scumreading your top tr
bc i think it's a valid consideration

oh YEAH and i townread banakai for going after dann when nobody else did. i think he's wrong but it's way too contrarian(?) to be scum imo

I think it’s scummy that he’s completely ignoring his part in Ethos’ mislynch and blaming me for it sounds scummy. Why couldn’t scum!Banaki push Dann? You’re saying you’ve never seen scum do that before - push a widely tr slot, because I have. Why? They know it will give them towncred. So at best, his Dann push should be seen as NAI.

And he didn’t vote Dann or especially me, despite shading me pretty hard, he voted your slot.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

tmi isn't scummy necessarily it's just a playstyle
some people just put all their unfiltered thoughts in the thread

can't talk for banakai but 742 seems... fine? to me at least.
if i genuinely believed someone was scum but everyone else thought was town, i'd say something along those lines somewhat out of frustration. i've definitely done that in games before where it's like "this person seems like obvscum to me but everyone else says their town... do they have to continue leading mislynches before people realize they're town?"

pretend it's someone else and not you. it seems normal to me?

But I didn’t lead Ethos’ mislynch, just because I was first on the wagon and that post seems to be putting it mainly on me. No one else did that. I don’t accuse anyone of leading a mislynch, unless they actually hardpushed it - which is most likely what would have happened to Erhos, had I been the one stumped, because he was actually hardpushing for my mislynch but the reverse reality isn’t true, so Banaki pushing that narrative is strange but his sudden decline in activity after sheep became the lead wagon, is concerning me the most rn. His recent posting has been extremely underwhelming, like he’s suddenly lost all motivation to play. Granted, that last part is weak but why would sheep being the lead wagon have such an effect on his participation levels? And why did he have him as his strongest tr, considering he was the one who was hardest pushing for his lynch?

If I’m town!Banaki, sheep would definitely not be my #1 tr here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

me you pyrrha bs

that gets me far enough if you read.. any 9p turbo

BS is probably town because of this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dont tell me someones pretending nancy can be wolf

Okay, maybe january is town. Would sheep really say that to a buddy? Unlikely

[Pyrrha Nikos]

wtf happened

Going forward, powerlynch sheep if he ever opens with this in the future.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i kinda like blatant scum asking to lynch rc actually

in terms of villageriness not agreeableness

i admittedly understand where bs is coming from and i'd be too scared or self conscious to come in and announce that i want to lynch rc d1 as wolf, given the backlash it caused immediately was pretty predictable; also how much he pursues that so confidently for 2 pages shows he genuinely believes it's a good decision?

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

i literally read like 2 of rc's posts

he was not wolfy to me

he was not wolfy to bs either who is the only one ive been talking about

Maybe this was less about BS than Gamma? Because sheep obviously knows that BS and Gamma are never SvS. If Gamma really is scum here, than BS is my hero.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i kinda like blatant scum asking to lynch rc actually

in terms of villageriness not agreeableness

i admittedly understand where bs is coming from and i'd be too scared or self conscious to come in and announce that i want to lynch rc d1 as wolf, given the backlash it caused immediately was pretty predictable; also how much he pursues that so confidently for 2 pages shows he genuinely believes it's a good decision?

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

i literally read like 2 of rc's posts

he was not wolfy to me

he was not wolfy to bs either who is the only one ive been talking about

Maybe this was less about BS than Gamma? Because sheep obviously knows that BS and Gamma are never SvS. If Gamma really is scum here, than BS is my hero.

Iow, if Gamma is his buddy, BS townflip is terrible for Gamma.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I will probably sheep Dennflor this game.

@Dannflor
Tell me how scum!sheep makes sense defending me and I will become your sheep, sheeping you on Sheep.

Answer: he was defending you, because your townflip would be horrible for Gamma.

Yeah, it now makes total sense. I really can’t see any other reason scum!sheep does this. So, I’ve been focusing on Gamma but not seeing this. Scum almost never townlocks their scumbuddy.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: sheep
I’ll let this be my answer to “what is my sheep read” for now

Can you elaborate on what made you want to vote this over Psyche?

The truth is my current team guess is actually sheep/BS but I wanted to give them time to react before I jumped to a conclusion. When you asked about my read I still wasn’t ready to do full disclosure but I was willing to reveal half of it. I recall Pyrrha suggesting that team earlier and thinking about past interactions that team might actually be solid. And I kinda feel sheep has higher scum equity if that’s not the team too. I could definitely see a sheep/Psyche team.

VOTE: sheep
I’ll let this be my answer to “what is my sheep read” for now

Can you elaborate on what made you want to vote this over Psyche?

The truth is my current team guess is actually sheep/BS but I wanted to give them time to react before I jumped to a conclusion. When you asked about my read I still wasn’t ready to do full disclosure but I was willing to reveal half of it. I recall Pyrrha suggesting that team earlier and thinking about past interactions that team might actually be solid. And I kinda feel sheep has higher scum equity if that’s not the team too. I could definitely see a sheep/Psyche team.

What's your read on Banakai?

Mostly I'm curious what made you shift from "Psyche/Banakai" are the two scummiest slots to "Sheep/BS is my team guess."

Psyche and Banakai were rather scummy, but imo their partner equity is lower than sheep and BS

And like I feel like my current headspace is Psyche is my strongest individual scumread, sheep is second strongest individual, and BS and Banakai are both somewhat nebulous around third and fourth. I feel like you may have a point about Banakai pushing you being a town thing but I also think his logic has kinda sucked and he acts like he has explained himself when he hasn’t

@Blatant Scum, what is your current read on Psyche or anyone other than sheep, Banaki, me, for that matter?

Who do you think is Banaki’s buddy?

I townread you and Dannflor

I think that Psyche's reaction on you calling Psyche/ Banakai scumteam makes their team very likely to be scum.

conftown: Blatant Scum eth0s
town: Dannflor Pyrrha Nikos
NAI: Gamma Emerald sheepsaysmeep PenguinPower
scum: Banakai Psyche

If at least one of {Banakai, Psyche} is town, it makes the other go to NAI

Why am I in your nullreads

@Gamma, why would you be surprised at being in BS’ nullreads?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I will probably sheep Dennflor this game.

@Dannflor
Tell me how scum!sheep makes sense defending me and I will become your sheep, sheeping you on Sheep.

Answer: he was defending you, because your townflip would be horrible for Gamma.

Yeah, it now makes total sense. I really can’t see any other reason scum!sheep does this. So, I’ve been focusing on Gamma but not seeing this. Scum almost never townlocks their scumbuddy.

Sorry Gamma but no way does sheep townlock BS if he’s his scumbuddy. Sorry but sheep fucked you with this. Blame sheep, you played really well.

VOTE: Gamma

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i kinda like blatant scum asking to lynch rc actually

in terms of villageriness not agreeableness

i admittedly understand where bs is coming from and i'd be too scared or self conscious to come in and announce that i want to lynch rc d1 as wolf, given the backlash it caused immediately was pretty predictable; also how much he pursues that so confidently for 2 pages shows he genuinely believes it's a good decision?

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

i literally read like 2 of rc's posts

he was not wolfy to me

he was not wolfy to bs either who is the only one ive been talking about

Maybe this was less about BS than Gamma? Because sheep obviously knows that BS and Gamma are never SvS. If Gamma really is scum here, than BS is my hero.

Iow, if Gamma is his buddy, BS townflip is terrible for Gamma.

I love it when that lightbulb suddenly goes off and everything that wasn’t previously making sense, suddenly does.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I actually feel bad for Gamma, I would never ever think he was sheep’s buddy if it weren’t for his frantic efforts to save BS.