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Yes, I am just dense.
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Iconeum unvoted me here @mod-
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I don't know why hearing things like this makes me happyIn post 1306, Isis wrote:I'm not necessarily going to take a similar position when I find my next job but software engineer-
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Why I town read (red) Isis
This is where I initially began to town lean her. In Chiptune Mafia I was tunneled on Isis until she made a unique comment about thinking Conspire was the user Eve because Eve is a troll that would steal someones avatar (link). This reminded me of that in that it was so out there that I felt it was more likely to be true than to have come from scum.In post 86, Isis wrote:I did fabricate my townlean on Shiki, I wanted to round out and balance my list and I don't really townread anybody
I kind of had to scrounge deep to round out my list.
After Shiki and Isis explained to me that Isis wasn't previously aware Mr. Orange = Freddy, this suspicion came off as genuine to me. In particular, the follow-up explanation:In post 176, Isis wrote:
ok now I want a flavor massclaim just from the offchance this was a scumslipIn post 168, Mr Pink wrote:
Yeah well if it quacks like it's a duck then it's a duck but I don't plan on fuckin dying. I'm gonna make it out of here with my goddamn money like a professional and I'm gonna do it alive!In post 161, Iconeum wrote:ah, not the duck but the bug
Hey, Freddy! I've been waiting for you to show up. What the fuck happened? The fuckin cops showed up out of nowhere.In post 167, shiki wrote:
i did not; i rolled a nice guy.In post 163, Isis wrote:Shiki did you roll scum this game??
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This is small, but I feel like thisIn post 192, Isis wrote:this player list has nobody I want to day1 kill out of prejudice ahhallthe time. But when I'm scum I want to get rid of people that know me as quickly as possible (eliminating Kanna and shiki in Hungarian 2 for example). I felt like scum!Isis wouldn't have this feeling of not wanting to lynch someone she liked.
In post 273, Isis wrote:Can scum tell me whether this setup is fun for scum
I feel like the low pressure of who cares if a lynch is wrong there are two of them, would like make it low stress and chill?
write it in the scum pt so I can find it postgame
you can also post it here and say it's resoivoir dogs spoilers and only I will read it, everyone else has already seen the movie and doesn't care or doesn't want to spoil it
I am plenty sure it's not my kind of movie already
I was disingenuous to shiki to bulli her
These are the posts where I began to hard town read her. The first just came off to me like she genuinely wasn't scum. She also had another post asking enter why she wouldn't get to have day chat. I understand that things like this can be faked, it just seemed genuine to me. The S_S post felt like she was really frustrated. Although now reading this, I see that she wasn't saying 256 and 260 were more likely townie. That was my initial reason for town reading this because it showed she was being objective despite the frustration. Now knowing that she was actually shading him here, I do not like it. Looking at the post below it 275 she also used the term "objectively scummy" and that is also a bad look. That's such a strange way to phrase a scum read. It's like she knows he's not scum so has to make it objectively scummy. I liked the nuance of this case initially, but looking at it again, this line seems disingenuous: "It implies AI material exists in the thread and he's sensed as much." I'll think about this more when I get to the reevaluation part of my checklist.In post 274, Isis wrote:259 and 260 can be town S_S but like I think it's objectively yuck that that's so
I disagree with so much of how he approaches mafia
if nothing is happen effing do something?
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I don't even care if you do something good
just do something
play mafia
it's a fun game
why do you want other people to play it for you while you watch
277 was a good followup and I agreed (and still agree) with the point.
Lastly, her paranoia that me and Jake were partners felt real (598). And I didn't think scum!Isis would quickhammer and put herself in the open.-
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In post 1134, Ame wrote:Isis, your inability to substantiate your scum read is concerningIn post 1138, Isis wrote:Ame you've been acting like you know my alignment for like a really long time and you've only pushed town all game? I wish I could substantiate more too reallyIn post 1140, Ame wrote:
I've already dismantled this, however. It is an irrational way to read someone as applying the reasoning to yourself would indicate you are scum. You have pushed exactly the same number of town players as I have. Please state why you believe it is scum indicative for me considering my accuracy in previous games?In post 1138, Isis wrote:you've only pushed town all game?
So Isis both of the reasons you provided for why you scum read me have been nullified. You agree that it is reasonable for me to have a town read on you, and it is a fallacy that pushing town players is at all a scum tell. So I ask again, why are you scumreading me?In post 1300, Ame wrote:You still haven't even explained why you scum read me.-
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I don't think the first post is AI. I've seen him make statements like that before (as scum), but I don't think it's something that necessarily comes from scum. The second post is incredibly scummy and disproves his claim that he was just poking because he seems to genuinely believe what his argument there. I'll show why it's scummy in my next post.
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The below are why the second post is scummy. Ico making genuine pushes based on superficial reasoning is his primary and perhaps only consistent scum tell. I don't know why RCE didn't pick up on this considering he picked up on it in HBE. The idea that you would be so blatant as to openly declarethat you have to balance your readsbecause you were scum who felt they needed to do so is absurd. And Ico confirmed in that post that he was truly making that argument: "feeling like you *have* to have a balanced read list is imo a scumtell tho."
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Seen it before:In post 817, Tet wrote:This is so surface level thinking. I don't think I've ever expected level 1 thoughts out of you.
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Like Klingon? Or in like making the ultimate and efficient human language? Yes to both.In post 1350, Isis wrote:
intriging has a soft 'g'. intrigging has a short 'i' for the second 'i'. It's the minimum number of letters for phonetic pronunciation to be unambiguous, unlike many English words. What has it done to earn your criticism? Intreegging would work I guess but doesn't develop from its French etymology naturally at all.In post 1344, Ame wrote:Why on earth is intriguing spelled that way. It's gross.
Are you interested by artificial languages?
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Why I still scum read (red) Ico despite the meta he provided
This doesn't seem like something to actually be concerned about..?In post 240, Iconeum wrote:
yeah great idea give scum a roadmap on the later daysIn post 209, Ame wrote:You must, however, kill my N1 because if Shiki + Enigma does not end the game, I will most certainly tunnel you.
This was not townread worthy.In post 243, Iconeum wrote:
i actually townread this postIn post 221, Isis wrote:I haven't had enough coffee for this
like seriously
He just said he town read her.In post 245, Iconeum wrote:I've got a hard time sorting Isis here
This is not town read worthy.In post 246, Iconeum wrote:but like, i don't feel that scum!Isis would just blatantly state that he hasn't voted for Hectic before as town, only as scum?
Going for the LHF. See: 1352In post 249, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: mr pink
everyone townreading this slot can fight me over this
let's go
Really? Really??? I don't believe that he legitimately thought this was even remotely a scum tell.In post 257, Iconeum wrote:yeah that gif pretty much sums up my thoughts wrt that
i have no clue what to make of it
it's almost like i have a hard time reading isis
This interaction was not worthy of clearing us as scummates.In post 364, Iconeum wrote:In post 359, Isis wrote:UNVOTE: Jake the Wolfie
Ok, vote him, it won't be a lynch
I promise to be good.
I promise.
I would never betray you.
Never.In post 360, Ame wrote:You cannot fool me goddess turned terrorist organization.
i mean, i know i don't know a ton about scum interactions, but i don't think this is itIn post 361, Isis wrote:VOTE: Jake the Wolfie
You know I'm also voting RCEnigma right?
I recommend the podcast "Caliphate" based on your apparent interests. It's pretty good.
(i mean i don't think this is S/S like EVER)
Overall Ico is town reading for reasons that are unwarranted, going after LHF, and interpreting things on a surface level. I gave Ico the benefit of the doubt regarding his surface pushes because he provided meta where he opened the game in similar ways to get things going, but (a) he continued to do it and (b) his posts showed that hewasn'tactually just trying to get things going and was making a genuine argument.-
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Yes, my post above should address your concern.In post 1358, Conspire wrote:hold up, hold up i have something to say.
Ame, I want to ask you one thing: did you look at Ico's meta earlier?
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It seems less likely if they are scum because they would have a partner to discuss things with over the night. I'm not confident, however.In post 1193, Conspire wrote:
Hey, Ame, I don't like your confidence here. If genuine, why was that a townslip? Scum could also be confused about the setup, unless they were specifically planning out mislynches/path to victory during the time they could talk in night 1.In post 911, Ame wrote:I think this is a town slip. And I think it is genuine. I think Pink is town.
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I'm thinking it over Kanna. He even did that same s/s clearing as he did here!
In post 196, Iconeum wrote:In post 174, OkaPoka wrote:then alternatively come join the QQ wagon ~perhaps a good ol wagon can get your reads fired upIn post 176, OkaPoka wrote:ok im actually mildly shocked you did that but let me just sit on that for a bitIn post 177, Datisi wrote:ask and you shall receive.
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Do I still scum read (reed) Iconeum?
Revisitng my 1361 in light of the meta Conspire provided, I think the following points are still valid.
The others I believe to be NAI as town!Ico.does.that.Spoiler:
Point 1 alludes to pseudosolving, considering that his statements were a couple of posts apart.
Point 2 this also alludes to pseudosolving, and also tmi because the read isn't warranted. Is it really believable that scum!Isis wouldn't say this?
Point 3 appears theatrical. It would be difficult to believe that he sincerely thought that Isis' discrepancy there was telling. Something like "I don't really think anything of it?" is what I believe a town response would have been.
As I mentioned the other day, however, I think the most telling point about Ico's alignment is his play in today in lylo. Ok actually, I just read through Ico's play today and a lot of it comes off as kind of townie... I had been skimming it up until now. These are the posts that hardened my read before:
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I had made it very clear to Ico that I just needed rest and would come back and play the game, but he deliberately ignored that and claimed otherwise while pushing me in lylo. It came off to me as if he was trying to make the final play there. Additionally, his reaction is identical to the post I quoted from HBE: 1352. In that game, I made a statement about how this is what I would be doing as scum, and Ico jumped on it and claimed that is what I was doing and continued to push that line of thought. It may honestly just be that Ico finds people being aware of their process as genuinely something that he should find scummy (ex: Isis wanting to round out her reads). It's hard to say given the meta he and Conspire provided; however, I do think there may be one way to distinguish between town!Ico poking and scum!Ico agenda-pushing: when he makes the push and its duration. In HBE, I initially took his push on me as him trying to figure me out. It wasn't until later in the day when he had continued to use it as his reason for voting me that I realized he was legitimately pushing me. Additionally, this was later on in the day after we had a lot of content to go off of. The meta Conspire provided was early game Ico and so is a valid counter to Ico's early game surface pushing (as was the meta Ico provided before). But it's when Ico genuinely makes a push on such things in critical moments that I think it becomes scum indicative. So overall, I think Ico's push there is scum indicative, considering the circumstances (lylo, me promising content in the future and he ignoring it, and indication from Isis that she was likely to vote me).
That being said, I am not entirely sold on Ico being scum just yet. I would like to review the others before forming a conclusion and I need to look again at his play today in context (rather than ISO).-
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In post 1399, Conspire wrote:leading us to a flawless scum victory (I was town).-
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Also bugspray if there was any signaling going on, it was the post by Conspire here:In post 1111, Conspire wrote:Oh yeah, because of no daychat, it's actually going to be kind of difficult for scum to quickhammer.It might be worth sitting around with an unvoteready at random timesif you catch my drift.
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Who is scum? (Part1)
I currently think Conspire has the highest chance of flipping scum.
I sill hold onto this, particularly the first point. If Conspire was coming into the day with the mindset that I was scum, I don't think they change their mind in that short amount of time just because of my AtE post which was very out of character from me:In post 745, Ame wrote:Conspire, that town read on me from my AtE seems way too MI. Especially if you thought I was scum overnight. Could it perhaps be that you have chosen to read me as so because I am so willingly aligning myself with you? This is rhetorical. Your reasoning for scum reading Jake also seems quite superficial. And your reasoning for excluding Isis and Ame as partners with him seems quite forced and unreasonable:In post 739, Conspire wrote:Also, I think this makes Isis/Ame more town if Jake flips scum. If Jake's scum with one of Isis/Ame, I think he's more likely to just put RCEnigma alone on L-1. Putting exactly the two town of those 3 on L-1, but not his scum buddy would look sus, and putting everyone on L-1 if he's scum with one of them is risky for obvious reasons; both scum are then on L-1.
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Scumreading Jake for his self-preservation multi-vote also seems to me like a generic reason to scum read someone. Both heads of the hydra tend to look deeply into motivation and I just don't think they scum read someone for this.
I think this questioning comes from scum!Kanna, hence my question in 1394. What was the purpose of this question? How would my answer help you? Also, you should be aware of my experience with Ico because you did a meta-analysis of it, were in the game we first played together in (Strawberry), and read Hard Boiled Eggs. Also, what was the purpose of providing me the Iconeum meta over this page? Was it to challenge the points I was making or 눈‸눈??? You didn't seem to come to a conclusion on whether this was scum or town Ico. You posted the similarities between our cases and never followed up with what it meant.In post 1393, Conspire wrote:double-clicked submit @_@. But please answer this:
Also, what's your experience with Iconeum?In post 1389, Conspire wrote:Out of curiosity, what meta did you do of Ico, Ame?
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Part 1.1 (More on Conspire)
Another thing about Conspire as that they seem to be doing a lot of random shading:
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It's like they are trying to keep us suspicious of one another. Every time someone brings up a reason to town read one of Isis, Pink, Ame they try to dismantle it. Additionally, they don't seem to really be trying to figure out the game. It's like they are swimming on the perimeter waiting to strike.-
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I'd like to repeat this for emphasis.In post 1440, Ame wrote:Every time someone brings up a reason to town read one of Isis, Pink, Ame they try to dismantle it.-
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I've seen town Kanna and scum Kanna in action. Scum Kanna pretends to be thinking through things, but holds off on forming a conclusion so she has the flexibility to maneuver and so that she is associated with saying something indicative. Town Kanna is much more bold in her interpretations.In post 1442, Isis wrote:Failing to bring us to her conclusions seemed like NAI or TI poor workmanship, Ame, you can't conflate wrong with town.
I'm confused about a meta of Hectic that he looks deeply into motivations when he's town.... sorry Hectic... don't be mad...
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Isis can you state your reason for scumreading me? I keep asking you this because you keep coming back to scum!me out of paranoia and I am trying to reignite your reasoning centers when it happens. It is an irrational fear resulting from your experience with Purgatory. I know it shook you, but I am not scum here. Look back on your town case of me and see if you can find holes in it. Approach this with the prefrontal cortex, not the amygdala.-
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Could you elaborate on the first line?In post 1445, Conspire wrote:What happened to this, Ame?
And Jake's multi-vote was very scummy. There's one thing to vote to vote 1 person you don't scumread out of self-preservation, but voting anyone and everyone he could put on L-1 is a different matter.
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