Micro 789 - Alternating 9p - Mafia wins

[Iconeum]

Hi. Who’re the goons?

VOTE: Christopher for not having an avatar. You're the goons!

Obvious townslip by Christopher, GL fell for it.
GGEZ

VOTE: GreenLiquid

[Iconeum]

It's a strange conversation to have, but even stranger to drag it out.
I like Buj's observation here.

[Iconeum]

I agree that putting Lovebird in a scumpool, but in the same post mentioning that is has no reason to act like that if scum, is just weird.
Still like how he tries to steer conversation away, because that was leading us nowhere.

Rask town, a lot of effort into trying to keep discussion going/getting it started.

N_M is out of his town meta, where he usually votes his first scumread (very) early, so let's see how that develops.
Lovebird town vibes

ZZZX weak first post
GL early town read, too much effort in discussing townread/NAI with lovebird, doesn't feel like a scum play

Christopher afk


Bujabers contradiction is the most scummy thing so far imo, let's see where that leads us

VOTE: Bujaber

[Iconeum]

It's not a contradiction. It was just the chronoligical order of my thoughts.

The prediction comes first. Then I narrow it down to Raska/GL but just because I don't think love would do that if scum doesn't mean my scumpool becomes smaller. Just means I'd want love lynched last out of those 3.

I understand the sequence, but I feel like a town would make that more clear in a post. It wasn't 'hardposted' yet, so you could easily redraw that post to express your actual feelings.

You also fail to explain the scumread on Raska/GL, while they have posted enough to work with. Not to mention that I townread Raska, so i don't see where that comes from.

[Iconeum]

Do you, or do you not, scumread Rask. Explain plz.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Iconeum

Vote iconeum pls.

These are literally the only mentions Lovebird has about me.
Care to explain at least the scumread on me?

[Iconeum]

I just feel people trying to talk about people not posting enough or not giving enough content at the 2nd (or 3rd?) day is really... fakeLets keep it at thatVOTE: Raskolnikov

While I agree that activity is NAI, I Feel Rask has made enough other posts to not scumread him.

[Iconeum]

Hi. Who’re the goons?

VOTE: Christopher for not having an avatar. You're the goons!

Obvious townslip by Christopher, GL fell for it.
GGEZ

VOTE: GreenLiquid

Can you elaborate on this? I don't know why knowing the setup is a town slip.

Rask seems town for the way he's engaging with the game. The poking & prodding to dig out even the tiniest morsel of content from someone screams town this early. The way he also threw his vote around onto Not_Mafia just felt really town in my gut? I hate gut reads, it's hard to explain, but it was the lack of pretense that pinged me as town. There's no show to put on, nobody to impress with his vote switch, it's just what it is.

Iconeum's push on BuJaber seems weak and phony. It basically comes down to "you didn't stop and rewrite your post to avoid possibly being read as scum for the contradiction" -- which, IMO, is a reason to point to Bu being TOWN, not mafia. Town doesn't have to go through that extra layer of thought because they aren't trying to hide who they are -- Mafia do. Would love to hear a response to this. The rest of Iconeum's stuff feels null at worst.

I dislike Lovebird's empty push on Iconeum, though. No reasons or anything? Feels opportunistic.

ZZZX's push on Rask is out of left field. He's voting Rask for pointing out the number of lurkers... while completely ignoring all the rest of Rask's content? And there's a LOT there to be ignoring.

VOTE: Iconeum

i'm not sure what you mean here. You are quoting my opening post, where I made a joke about 'knowing the goons'?
Also, Buj put a scumread of a slot in the same post he's townreading it. That's enough for me.

If lovebird is pushing me opportunistically, what does that tell you?

[Iconeum]

Let me clarify the read on Buj here:

42 he puts lovebird in a lynchpool, but immediately brings forth a point why lovebird is likely town.
60 he defends how his reads was a natural progression, which i don't mind but...
62 here he repeats his townread on lovebird
96 still putting lovebird in his lynchpool

meanwhile he is voting for NM, which is weaksauce. He does this shit all the time and it's NAI. It's the perfect place for scum to place votes.

He's not pushing his scumreads. Why is Buj not trying to sort Rask out? I read that slot as town, and he is not putting any effort in engaging to sort it out. He could easily be asking where the town!rask reads are coming from. Only scum would be desinterested in this.

NM is really the easy way to follow for BuJ.

[Iconeum]

One day I'm going to make a wiki section for my page where I link everytime someone made fun of my logic and I was right 100%.

People seem to forget that if they read something as townie and someone else reads the same thing as scummy somehow their opinion is more correct and it's bullshit. People don't always play the same way every game.

I think I'm fucking right and if you want to lynch me for that do so but I'm gonna rub it in your face when we lose and you decided to let your ego rule the game.

I'm sick of people on MS belittling my thought process.

Do you disagree with how we are disecting your reads? Do you disagree that you are inconsistent and/or illogical in your conclusions?

I mean, your posts have scum vibes all over them.
Here's another one:

124 you are agreeing with Rask calling out Major Minor is difficult to read, and continue to sort Rask as scum but Major as town (assuming this because you are not including him in your scumpools)

Besides this, you are including half the players in your scumpools but no further attempt to sort this are being made by you.

My vote is fine where it is.

[Iconeum]

Do you, or do you not, scumread Rask. Explain plz.

Why is it so difficult to understand? Please help me. I run into this situation a lot. Is it my wording that is unclear? My english is bad? What is it?


I don't scumread rask. I don't townread rask.

Because of the whole process I explained above I forced myself to choose between rask and GL for whom to vote. I compared the 2 and decided rask is more likely to be the scum. Fact that it is the same person I voted for in RVS because his openings pinged me played a part in helping me decide.

BuJaber's opening is pretty standard. That, in and of itself, is NAI. Like he mentioned in #63, based on my recent experience it would be foolish to assume AI based on that.

tr Greenliquid.

leantown on BuJaber, Iconeum, and Lovebird.

Major's afk, and i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

tbh, I'm null on ZZZX and Rask.

leanscum on no content Not_Mafia.

VOTE: Major Minor

Ya, I'm fine with this wagon. I stand by my reads.

Honestly, BuJaber's opening so far is NAI. FMPOV, it's just his town and scum opening.

Care to explain how you come to a Bujaber 'light townread' conclusion after stating and re-stating that everything he's done so far is NAI?
You put others in a null read, so that's where I expect you to place Buj based on your posting.

What's up with that?

[Iconeum]

So with 9 players, you put up a list of 7 players out of which 2 are scum.
explain why him scumreading you puts him in your list as scum?

[Iconeum]

Christopher, you are making less and less sence here. You keep putting forth NAI arguments from Buj and townreading him for those posts that you consider NAI.
Then you say he has pro-town content, but fail to point those out or use them to validate your town read on Buj.

Buj, there are 9 players in this game. Assuming you are town, that's a pool of 8 players. There are already 7 in your lynchpools. So when you say 'i'm not locking myself to these players only' that effectively means you are putting every single player in the game beside yourself in the lynchpool.

[Iconeum]

Shit I missed that chris had a townlean on me.

Okay

1 scum in {NM, chris, Major, Icon}
1 scum in {GL, Rask, Lovebird}.

I get that people might disagree with it as a strategy but it's natural for me.

I am not locking myself to these people as only possible scum.

For example for the GL, Rask, love pool I strongly believe I am right for thinking that discussion was intentionally encouraged by scum. So until they flip or I can confidently townread all three that pool will remain as it is.

Icon you're not getting it. I don't know any other way to explain it.

Like, I'm really trying to understand here because it's important. But if you are town, then with the exception of 1 player, you are putting every single other player in the brackets and saying 'i'm not locking myself to these people as only possible scum'. Who else are you going to include here, then?

On top of that, the only player you are not including, zzzzzzzzx, you read as null. Not as town. Null. That means you are scumreading everyone else.

On top on top of that, you are voting NM which is the easier wagon to go on. There's no real other attempts at sorting players, and the 'waiting for information' is just a scumread imo.

[Iconeum]

I'm less sure about Buj at this moment. There is actually a lot of downside to playing like this if scum, because it limits his follow-up actions upon flips. As scum, you'd want to keep your options open. Buj could easily push his NM scumread without putting out those associations.

Also interested in Buj explaining his NM scumread. Because i've read a couple of his games and played some with him, and I've seen him act this exact way (even using some exact same replies) as town AND scum. Convince me.

Buj, how do you feel having christopher on your NM wagon?


Major is gone for over 6 days... lovebird not posted in over 3 days...

ZZZZX townread - I hope you comes back soon and steps away from his Rask vote
Rask townread
GL townread

Not Mafia ... If nothing else I WILL policy lynch this slot because there is just no contribution. But that is last minute stuff, let's play the game while there is time.

Lovebird - scumreads me. Interested to see if that has changed.

At this time I'd say scum is in Buj, NM, Lovebird, MM

[Iconeum]

Id love to see everyones seasons for nm right now

[Iconeum]

Do not lynch before monday but nm has to claim

[Iconeum]

Lovebird vote skummy as fuck

[Iconeum]

I'm sick right now, so there is little motivation to really dig into this but i'll try

I was townreading Rask earlier because of the clear eagerness to get this game going, and keep it going. A lot of effort in making players post, and a lot of engagement with different slots.
The vote switching later on doesnt sit well with me, voting zzzzx and NM feels very opportunistic and that feeling is enhanced by the lack of motivation on those votes. Him wanting to end the day early isn't exactly pro-town. I'm still townleaning the slot, however.

[Iconeum]

My scumread on Buj came from my PoV, where his 'sorting' wasn't sorting at all. He literally put every single player in a scumbracket and calls it sorting. The lack of pushing the actual reads contributes to that feeling. After a lot of back and forth, the way he keeps defending his actions make it feel more town to me. Let's just call it a disagreement in tactics.

[Iconeum]

Hi. Who’re the goons?

VOTE: Christopher for not having an avatar. You're the goons!

Obvious townslip by Christopher, GL fell for it.
GGEZ

VOTE: GreenLiquid

Obvious town slip in what universe? This better be an RVS joke.

Considering it was my first post in the game, chances are that it was, in fact, an RVS joke.

Cheeky, you mention that I'm 'stirring the flames' on NM wagon, while in fact i've been the strongest opponent to an NM lynch this game.
Now that I'm done tunneling on Buj, I like your case on Christopher.

Several mentions on Buj where he states his actions are NAI, but townreads him anyway. His push on NM actually feels real, but it's the easiest path for scum to legit push.

[Iconeum]

Actually icon I forgot about this, don't think you answered

I agree that putting Lovebird in a scumpool, but in the same post mentioning that is has no reason to act like that if scum, is just weird.
Still like how he tries to steer conversation away, because that was leading us nowhere.

Out of curiosity, you didn't notice this when you made 43 right?

I have trouble understanding this, I'll try to get it straight.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: christopher

[Iconeum]

Seeing Buj hop all around is just meh for me. Hard to read. I'm not lynching him today because i'm just unsure. UNVOTE: Buj

[Iconeum]

For the record, i've been sick these past couple of days, so I may not make perfect sense here

[Iconeum]

Another reason I rather lynch ico is that I'm pretty sure it's bujaber as the partner if ico's scum.

You still have failed to provide anything even remotely close to a scumread on me.
When I asked you previously, this is what I got:

VOTE: Iconeum

Vote iconeum pls.

VOTE: Iconeum

Vote iconeum pls.

These are literally the only mentions Lovebird has about me.
Care to explain at least the scumread on me?

Really empty initial posts, didn't like the push on buj.

It's not until his 147, after repeatedly being called out to provide substance to his case, that he calls my 59 'lazy'. And that post wasn't even made until after his accusation. Another odd thing is calling me and Buj a scumteam in 400, after I've spend most of my posts attacking Buj and voting him. Again, not bothering to prove the relation.

After this, he hops votes and goes to NM with a naked vote until someone else calls me out.

Lovebird, your entire read on me is based on having 'empty' posts. If you are still scumreading me, what's it based on?

[Iconeum]

Everyone should read GL's 443, and then reread it again. It's just a great post.
Lovebird is so obviously scum it's ridiculous.

Read especially the part about the read evolution from town to an L-1 vote.
Before that, I also called out his vote in 203, his vote in 198. Naked L-1 vote on NM. This was after being prodded. He also failed to mention that was an L-1 vote.

VOTE: lovebird


If you agree with this and agree with GL's read on love, you should be voting lovebird.
This lynch is so much better then Rask's or NM's...

[Iconeum]

No. I'm not townreading Buj, but there is little to gain in continuing down that track.

If you think this is an OMGUS reaction from me, that means you disagree with what I wrote on him? Do you disagree with the GL lovebird scumread as well?

[Iconeum]

If you think I'm OMGUS'ing lovebird here, is that AI?
What do you think was rubbish about my read progression? Maybe you can call the scumread on how he is playing bad, I could understand that.

I'm not letting you sidetrack this away from lovebird, though

[Iconeum]

Christopher has a few decent last posts. My scumread on Love feels better.
I actually feel a lot more confident with my vote on Love then when it was on christopher.

[Iconeum]

Christopher has a few decent last posts.

Can you be more specific with this btw? I don't know how you make this judgment they're kinda mixed for me.

367 is a town post.
368 has no scum motivation, scum would easily be able to follow the rask wagon.

[Iconeum]

@Ico are you seeing love here as significantly different from in one-shot?

I never check meta. Maybe I should, but I'm not a big fan of it.

Answering the question, I'd say Love is actually playing the same kind of early game as one shot (I mislynched Love there).

[Iconeum]

I'm so tempted to vote rask right now.

Rask, is there anyone you do NOT want to lynch?

[Iconeum]

I'm not voting outside of Buj, love today.

If the group values Buj over love, then I'm willing to hammer.

[Iconeum]

Bujaber still feels incredible weird.
His readlists and lynch order make 0 sense.

I've been townreading rask all game, and when my read begins to flip, Buj begins calling him town...

[Iconeum]

Lovebird/Rask is a viable combo here.

[Iconeum]

I'm not voting outside of Buj, love today.

If the group values Buj over love, then I'm willing to hammer.

I'm adding rask to the list of willing to lynch today

[Iconeum]

What doesn't make sense love?
I had love, GL, Rask in one pool. Rask is now a confident townread so the pool shrunk to love and GL.

You and icon is just a theory I'm playing with don't see the need to think about it or talk about it more right now until one of you actually flips scum first.

Okay guys since everyoneis flip flopping around we just gotta lynch someone and move on.

If I get to L-1 I'll hammer. We need to find a wagon everybody agrees on.

People they want lynched (correct me if wrong)
Ico: buj/ love
Buj: love / GL
Cheeky: rask / buj / love
Rask: buj / nm / love / icon
Zzzx: need an update
Chris: need an update
NM: love?
GL: need an update
Love: not clear.. rask? Buj?


Seems like love is the most repeated name followed by me. Let's just lynch one of us.

I added rask just a few posts ago to my lynchpool.
Would also like to see you explain your townread on Rask now, because his last posts were awfull.

I don't think town is this eager to get himself lynched (scumgambit)

VOTE: Bujaber

[Iconeum]

L-2 I believe

[Iconeum]

So to summarize my conclusions:

Scum based on meta: love, NM. Also somewhat scummy by play.

Scum based on irrelevant discussion in the early game: love OR GL. (Unlikely both together and rask is now a TR so out of this pool).

Scum because of how fucked the game state is: cheeky OR Icon (i'd be very very very suprised if they were both scum.. weird team). Also MM slot was terrible before replace. Maybe cheeky is very good at scum replacing thus my gut townlean.

ZZZX, Chris - true null. They could literally be anything and regardless of alignment this level of apathy is bad for town. They are at least partially responsible for this game state even if town lurking unintentionally. I'd rather lynch someone from above for day 1 though because this would be a total coin flip and would give us no info to go on if we lynch one and they flip town.

I don't care about your opinions anymore. If none of the players here can understand my perspective in 22 pages then nothing will change. My death is more convincing.

And yes the conclusion is from my POV love is ovjectively and subjectively the best lynch.

I don't want to get lynched but I also don't care. What we need is town consensus and if town consensus is for me to get lynched then that is the role I play in this game.

Why did you put yourself in the lynch bracket if this is your reaction?
If you have scumteams pegged down, why are you not pushing those instead of yourself?

However, this reaction isn't coming from scum I think. Therefore, lynching love gives me the best information because Buj and love are not scum together.
We are both scumreading the love slot, so if that flips scum it clears Buj for me.
If love is town, I'll have D2 to spend rereading and casing Buj.

UNVOTE: Buj
VOTE: Lovebird

[Iconeum]

Buj, I still want your towncasing Rask though. Like, soon.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Iconeum

Show me where you disagree with what I said.

[Iconeum]

Ok who wants to quicklynch Ico?

Why quicklynch? Don't wanna discuss my lynch?

[Iconeum]

Like you guys are harping on rask and I for being invonsistent. (Don't know about rask but I have been very consistent actually if you read my posts). But cheeky has some subtle inconsistencies that are just weird. Like I keep townreading cheeky but then she posts stuff like 558 and 568 and it makes me doubt her again and remind myself that MM pinged me.

Pedit - read what again. That was how you entered the game. You were like why are we voting NM.. NM is town. Is that not what happened?

Did you read WHY I thought NM was town on entering. I even used logic to illustrate - which is the post I didn't like Rask's reaction to.

Bu, I'm a reaction tester/intent reader. Nothing I do makes sense until I'm confident or compromise on a lynch. I actually find my intent this game to be very towny

As a reaction tester, how do you feel Buj reacted to our votes? Town reaction? Scum? Nai?

[Iconeum]

Cheeky, respond to my 575 please.

Also, how are you townreading love and bu?
You were voting there previously

fp'd and now you hammer love? Like wtf? You literally just said you townread the slot.

[Iconeum]

Don't get me wrong, I am happy with a love lynch but your reasoning is just off.

[Iconeum]

'biggest scumreads are x and y'. Hammers z.

[Iconeum]

Why were you pushing Buj as a lynch, if you townread him?
Why did you hammer love if you townread the slot?

Guess what, 'I'm tired so let's just lynch my townread' isn't town motivated.

[Iconeum]

You began voting me when Buj had this gigantic town reaction to your reaction test, and I saw it, and unvoted him.
That's your scumread on me lol

[Iconeum]

I've been scumreading Buj for practically the entire game, so yeah. Then I unvoted him for an obvtown reaction, which triggered your vote on me. Nice try.

[Iconeum]

You know wha

[Iconeum]

*let me try that again*

You know what would be cool? Discussing the reads. Oh wait, you hammered your townread so this day is coming to an end.

[Iconeum]

Wow, such a strong scumread on me and STILL you hammer your townread.
Even when there are at least 2 more who you KNOW would have voted me, you feel it better to just end the day and hammer your townread.

Stronk play.

[Iconeum]

I'm happy that we have more content than what we did if the NM lynch went through.

I'm just going to reiterate that people need to check Ico's behaviour around the two wagons - NM and Love tomorrow.

No argument there. Anyone is welcome to do whatever to me

You might actually be right that your actions here are too scummy to be scum.

[Iconeum]

I'm going nowhere near an NM lynch, with the trio of Buj/Love/Rask on it.

[Iconeum]

Over the last pages, I've been reading Buj more town, and Rask more as scum. Lovebird is still my nr 1 pick for today, but Rask is quickly catching up.

[Iconeum]

Bu, where is your Rask read? You were beginning to townread him over the last pages. What did he do/post to make you change your mind?

[Iconeum]

I am townreading him. I gave you the reasons.

I'm starting to think both scum are active and messing with us.

@mod - please replace both zz and chris

Ok, I did overlook the part where you talk about Rask townread.

No need in replacing zz, he's been fairly active and giving good reads. Also promised to be posting more content today.

Chris is no discussion, needs to be replaced.

[Iconeum]

OK, so PoE.

Ico, Cheeky, GL, zzzzx town
chris lown content but townlean
NM I cannot read this slot, would lynch if no scumreads
Buj trying to sort all day, last pages more townread so not lynching here today anymore
Rask began as solid townread, I liked chris comment about rask being 'eager town'. Last pages were bad.
Lovebird lynch best lynch

I'm lynching in Love, then Rask today.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: not mafia

VOTE: Not Mafia

Okay, I see what you mean. Goes to not mafia as an easy push. Says he wants more content, but voting not mafia doesn't really accomplish that.

I voted NM after coming back from getting prodded because nobody cared about lynching my scumread and the game wasn't moving, needed a lynch.

You focusing just on my vote ignoring the others is just omgus for what I'm saying about you.

VOTE: Not mafia

Doubting other reads. Fine with this.

These are the only mentions you have in your ISO in regards to NM. All I see here are naked votes, and 'I vote there to get the game moving'.
Somehow you also say you are fine with that read.

Best place for scum to be voting right now.

[Iconeum]

Explain Chris Rask in RVS?

The rask towny thing that you think is scummy.

You think it's scum scoping out the playerlist? I guess, but I wouldn't think he'd mention anything from the profiles that he found then.

Could be bored town. Fits with not wanting to wagon anyone who was being active.

Why else you're scumreading rask? I never really saw anything scummy there.

I was townreading him because seemed to be trying to sort people early, hadn't really seen anything that made me change my mind.

Okay, I see what you mean. Goes to not mafia as an easy push. Says he wants more content, but voting not mafia doesn't really accomplish that.

Idk, still would feel not right voting rask.

VOTE: Cheeky
feeling either with n_m or, if I'm wrong on n_m scum who knows n_m is town tbh

I feel like rask may have given up.

VOTE: Rask

L-1, claim pls

UNVOTE:

Defends Rask for majority of D1, then pushes Rask to L-1 asking a claim, Rask doesn't claim but posts a bunch, and unvotes.
After this, no follow up/questions/pressure on Rask whatsoever. Just votes NM.

I'm reading this as scum.

[Iconeum]

vla over the weekend

Rask is a strange kill. Points toward lovebird imo.

More on monday

[Iconeum]

If NM had answered my questions with anything other than 'maybe' I probably would have unvoted. I tried to squeeze something out of him. He's too hard to sort with his playstyle and my gut told me scum this game. The fact that cheeky was so sure gives me pause. You know what let's shoot cheely first. I think GL was too inactive. He can't be partners with another lurker.

Why do you feel the need to justify yourself for the lynch here? Before anyone said anything about it?

Also if anybody got a guilty .. claim please. We can win this but we have to catch all scum today.

Cop is only on even nights.

Complete NAI this post. The first question feels forced.

[Iconeum]

vla over the weekend

Rask is a strange kill. Points toward lovebird imo.

More on monday

Lol. In what world? Rask was only one really defending me.

You knew I'd be pushing you this day, but it's too obvious to kill me so you took out one who'd follow me on you. Rask defending you?

VOTE: lovebird

I think I'm okay consolidating back on this, initially it was a question of lynch vs no lynch but now I actually feel semi-okay about this.

I don't think so.

[Iconeum]

I'm fairly sure about Lovebird flipping scum, this should always be our D2 lynch right here.

The real question is, who's the second scum?

VOTE: Lovebird

[Iconeum]

You know what would be great right now?

ima save my entire catchup post (should be decent) till next day cus I wana re read a few people. lets see how things go

or if the day isnt done by "literally" tomorrow I will post it.

So the day didn't actually end until 2 days later, there was time for you to post. But whatever.

Finally getting my stuff sorted and I see NM being scum huh


VOTE: NM

Yes this is an omgus hummer. But u r scum..

Anyhow next game day big post I suppose. I promised it today but I'm barely half done writing it.

Such a stronk vote/hammer right here.

Where's your case? You were almost caught op on the 31st of March. On the 3rd of April you said you could post it 1 day later.
Yet on April 5th you're 'barely halfway done writing it'? Just lol.

I'm just gonna call it right here: Lovebird/zzzx scumteam. Please remember this post for if/when I die at night.

[Iconeum]

Sure, activity =!= allignment.
But he had the time to post that he's catching up, he had the time to post he was ready to post his 'big catchup post' in 1 rl day, then he had time to see NM as scum and hammer him, then he said he was actually just barely halfway through catching up but still hammering.

That's not being inactive. That's scumplay.

[Iconeum]

Good stuff. You can be town

[Iconeum]

@GL - town wouldn't have known NM was town. And you are talking about me in every post. Do you not have any other good reads?

It's hard to stop talking about you when you keep talking to me. "Do you not have any other good reads?" is lazy shading especially considering I just provided reads in my last post.

Rask is a strange kill. Points toward lovebird imo.

You knew I'd be pushing you this day, but it's too obvious to kill me so you took out one who'd follow me on you. Rask defending you?

Raskie didn't have any strong reads and he was sort of all over the place at the end of the day, so while I agree with the read on Love overall, I'm pinged by the fact that you've been leaning so hard on this night-kill-based logic right out out of the gate, which is IMO easily one of the weakest reasons to scum read Love. This gives me the feeling of scum who planned what narrative they wanted to spin around the kill but is coming in a bit too hot.

Ico: who is your third-biggest scum read after Love and ZZZX?

Exactly. Rask was all over the place. It's a strange kill, which is why I went back and reread him. At the end of the day, he was content with voting Lovebird.

After Love and zzzx, it's between Buj and Cheeky.

[Iconeum]

Good stuff. You can be town

Super pinged by this. Korina's catch-up post is mostly rhetorical questions in response to low-hanging fruit. This could be scum misjudging how townish Korina's post is supposed to seem.

I don't agree with this. The post is a lot of stuf that I happen to agree with/what I am thinking/what I have been posting.
The quotes mentioned in the post are the right pings, and are good posts to question.

It was a good first catchup post and I read it as town.

[Iconeum]

Korina -

I explained multiple times in day 1 why I thought NM was scummy. I know you just replaced in but bringing up already asked and answered stuff is unhelpful and annoying.

Me telling rask to sheep me as scum was my ego. I believed that if NM flipped I will be able to solve the game. Also I couldn't say this while he was alive but through his posts and responses to my questions I eliminated the possibility of him being a PR. So when I said 70% chance he flips scum the 30% was he flips VT which was worth the risk.

For the record yes I don't think you are bussing. I think only one of you/love is scum. I just like to think about hypothetical lylo situations. It helps me.

I'm updating my reads and lynch bracket.

Love/ZZZZX/Cheeky. Promoting Buj to an actual townlean. If Love flips scum, I consider Buj as conftown.

Buj, D1 Love was our middle ground. It seems like we can push this together. Are you comfortable with that?

---

ZZZZX, you NEED to reply to my 708. You also need to explain your hammer on NM D1.

[Iconeum]

Why not zzzzx?

That hammer was scum as hell. Also didn't provide that big catchup post he promised. That whole sequence of his at D1 end is wrong.

[Iconeum]

What's your case on Korina again?

[Iconeum]

@mod, mass prods please. We need all the afk's in here to post and reply to the stuff we've been talking about.

Most loooking forward to:

Lovebird to respond to everything
ZZZZX posting his 'big catchup post' that was ready to post in a day, but then was only halfway finished.

[Iconeum]

There is no world in which we lynch Korina over Love today.
There's a chance zzzzx is getting lynched over Love.

[Iconeum]

There is nothing on Korina except for what Buj posted in 736.

[Iconeum]

In contrast to what I posted about Lovebird.

[Iconeum]

Cheeky, why NOT lovebird and why Korina over Love?

[Iconeum]

Who would you lynch today?

[Iconeum]

Based on your case from D1? That was completely based on my 'empty' posts. Do you think that is still true right now?
I've misread you before in the past. I'm willing to discuss here.

Want your thoughts on zzzzx and Cheeky specifically

[Iconeum]

I really don't know anymore for the moment.
We need zzzzx and his big post in here.

Reading back my Love case isn't as strong as I thought it was.

Gonna make an overview here soon.

[Iconeum]

Alive:
1. BuJaber
2. Christopher Korina
3. ZZZX
4. GreenLiquid
5. Major Minor CheekyTeeky
6. Lovebird
7. Iconeum

Town

GL

Townlean

Bujaber
Cheeky

Scum in varying degrees

Love
zzzzzx
korina

If i look at this list, I think I'm more comfortable lynching zzzzx depending on his catchup post.


fp'd a bunch by Love

[Iconeum]

If I don't include GL as my townread, I literally have 0 townreads.
And there have to be 4 others.

At this point it's not even about finding the partner, it's about lynching the one we are most sure flips scum.
Connections can be made on the following day.

[Iconeum]

I can literally see both you (Buj) and Cheeky flipping scum.

[Iconeum]

So yeah, my scumteam at this moment would be Love/zzzx

[Iconeum]

I'm focusing on zzzx more? Have you been reading at all?
All i've done is trying to get a wagon going on Lovebird. I've been the biggest advancer of Love lynch ALL FUCKING GAME. I was opposed to an 'HEY LETS LYNCH A NO INFO NM ' all game.

Saying I don't want a love lynch is really a giant misrep.
i'm looking for other suspects. zzzzx is higly suspicious.

I Do consider all options here.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Icon

I am going to give love a chance. Seems his posts are generally small and somewhat NAI in general. Not clearing him but I think an Icon flip is gonna be helpful here.

And I realized the love/korina not town together kind of assumes ico is town. If ico is scum there's a huge flaw.

Just townreading GL is scummy as all hell. Ico is also a strong townplayer who is difficult to scumread and usually doesn't let inconsistencies and scummy posts fly without scrutiny. He seems rather lazy here. Also he keeps getting cold feet around wagons. He didn't vote for NM. IN FACT he has been tunneling on icon all game and now that we have a real shot at lynching love he's focusing on zzz instead? Why?
If you notice a few posts earliet he said if love flips scum I would be conftown. So we have a wagon that all game long he has been pushing AND if it flips scum it clears another player from his POV AND he doesn't like the counter wagons (me, korina, cheeky earlier) but he still isn't happy lynching Lovebird?

Yeeeeaaah I haven't been noticing this before but this is looking like damning evidence.

Icon is scum. GL is likely his partner. If not GL it's Korina or possibly cheeky.

But it's probably GL.

Icon/GL scumteam. I was right from the very fucking start with my two scumpools.

If icon is town we lynch love. If love is also town we fucking lose because fuck this game and fuck lurkers.

Pedit - zzz is a bad lynch why is he most likely to flip scum. He is scummy but not most likely to flip scum. Other people are also scummy. And you've been changing your mind too many times with me.
Like even now you say it's probably zz/love but choosing to lynch zz. You say I could flip scum but if love is scum I am conftown. From your pov love is the best lynch..You not wanting to now is crazy.

And what evidence is there than GL is town. I can only personally clear GL by PoE depending on who flips scum. Nothing in his play is particularly townie.

How fucking hard can you misrep me here?
It was quite obvious that I'm still wanting a Lovebird lynch here. I also assume Bujaber should see this. I can't get my head around that misrep.

That means lovebird town, Bujaber scum with zzzzx in that scenario.

[Iconeum]

Heck

icon

LOVE might be your partner and you're distancing.

So being the lead vote and lead caser on Love = distancing?

Plz go home.

[Iconeum]

I'm lynching you, Bujaber, after Love flips.

It doesn't even matter if someone comes up with a guilty, I'm just gonna deathtunnel on you next day.
You better pray I get lynched or NK'd.

[Iconeum]

Being less sure about the lynch =!= not wanting to lynch

[Iconeum]

Why? There's 2 scum. zzzx is a realistic possibility of being the second scum.
I've already extensively posted why.

If we can't get a Love lynch, I would probably settle on zzzx (and only him).
This day has been going on for a while, and we haven't even managed to get Love to L-1.

Why would I not look at other targets?

[Iconeum]

Look at the interaction between Love and zzzx

[Iconeum]

I'm laughing so hard right now that you are accusing me of trying to derail the Lovebird lynch, when you are the one who switched votes.
These last few posts of yours are just terrible if you actually are town.

[Iconeum]

How can you even say it's fine that i'm thinking of zzzx lynch, when THAT IS THE REASON YOU ARE VOTING ME

[Iconeum]

Town posts by GL:

24 calling Lovebird LAMIST post.
35 already engaging with Love. I could be biased here but I read it as town
108 good post in general. Actively trying to sort here.
110 soft defending NM
119 scumread on love.
131 is a solid case on bujaber
263 more sorting
278more sorting
443even more sorting
480, 481 pushing lovebird. By now I can assume it's definitely NOT love/GL
637 continues his sorting of all players
638 is actually a town motivated post
688

There are a LOT of posts that come off as town, and if you look at everything in order it's a very natural and townie progression in his reads.
What's scum about GL again?

[Iconeum]

shit I forgot about this game.

Will read with maximum of 48 hours to read, update and post.

-Z

Please post your 'big catchup post' that you had ready to go already, so we can work on that one for starters.

[Iconeum]

If this is a TvT i'm gonna cry.

[Iconeum]

Wise words i can agree with. A love flip should solve most of our dispute here.

[Iconeum]

Read list go

who is scum who is town

then vote lovebird

[Iconeum]

@GL

I agree that a Love-Buj team is unlikely, and as I said before a scumflip from Love would conftown Buj for me.
Ur going to easy on zzzx.
Can you also explain how you 'can be down for my lynch' and then provide a bunch of reasons why NOT to lynch me? Even provide reasons why I'm a bad lynch today.

[Iconeum]

Bu is town. I still worry about Ico but he feels townier. I'm pretty sure ZZZX flips scum. If he does I want to lynch Ico next for hard defending him with no substance to the read.

GL what would Ico's flip tell you?

I dare you to prove where I am defending, let alone hard defending, zzzzx.

[Iconeum]

Cheeky town reads me, then misreps me defending zzzx, and then wants to lynch me (his townread) if zzzzx flips scum.

Also, I'm not letting you derail another Love lynch here.

[Iconeum]

Cheeky, in a previous post I dared to to prove your statement about me hard defending zzzzx. I dared you, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY PROVE IT.
I LITERALLY just had a 2-3 page discussion with Bujaber about my SCUMREAD on zzzzx.

Reread my ISO, from post 708 and onward. That should make my stance on zzzzx pretty clear.

[Iconeum]

I'm loving this.

Buj gave me crap for pushing zzzx. Now Cheeky is pushing me for townreading zzzx

just lol

[Iconeum]

Are you serious about this?

[Iconeum]

I had a previous townread, that completely changed when he hammered D1.

I'm gonna post every single goddamn post I made, then Cheeky is gonna say how I'm harddefending zzzzx here. Deal?

Iconeum SCUMREAD on zzzzx

Spoiler:

You know what would be great right now?

ima save my entire catchup post (should be decent) till next day cus I wana re read a few people. lets see how things go

or if the day isnt done by "literally" tomorrow I will post it.

So the day didn't actually end until 2 days later, there was time for you to post. But whatever.

Finally getting my stuff sorted and I see NM being scum huh


VOTE: NM

Yes this is an omgus hummer. But u r scum..

Anyhow next game day big post I suppose. I promised it today but I'm barely half done writing it.

Such a stronk vote/hammer right here.

Where's your case? You were almost caught op on the 31st of March. On the 3rd of April you said you could post it 1 day later.
Yet on April 5th you're 'barely halfway done writing it'? Just lol.

I'm just gonna call it right here: Lovebird/zzzx scumteam. Please remember this post for if/when I die at night.

Sure, activity =!= allignment.
But he had the time to post that he's catching up, he had the time to post he was ready to post his 'big catchup post' in 1 rl day, then he had time to see NM as scum and hammer him, then he said he was actually just barely halfway through catching up but still hammering.

That's not being inactive. That's scumplay.

Korina -

I explained multiple times in day 1 why I thought NM was scummy. I know you just replaced in but bringing up already asked and answered stuff is unhelpful and annoying.

Me telling rask to sheep me as scum was my ego. I believed that if NM flipped I will be able to solve the game. Also I couldn't say this while he was alive but through his posts and responses to my questions I eliminated the possibility of him being a PR. So when I said 70% chance he flips scum the 30% was he flips VT which was worth the risk.

For the record yes I don't think you are bussing. I think only one of you/love is scum. I just like to think about hypothetical lylo situations. It helps me.

I'm updating my reads and lynch bracket.

Love/ZZZZX/Cheeky. Promoting Buj to an actual townlean. If Love flips scum, I consider Buj as conftown.

Buj, D1 Love was our middle ground. It seems like we can push this together. Are you comfortable with that?

---

ZZZZX, you NEED to reply to my 708. You also need to explain your hammer on NM D1.

Why not zzzzx?

That hammer was scum as hell. Also didn't provide that big catchup post he promised. That whole sequence of his at D1 end is wrong.

@mod, mass prods please. We need all the afk's in here to post and reply to the stuff we've been talking about.

Most loooking forward to:

Lovebird to respond to everything
ZZZZX posting his 'big catchup post' that was ready to post in a day, but then was only halfway finished.

There is no world in which we lynch Korina over Love today.
There's a chance zzzzx is getting lynched over Love.

Alive:
1. BuJaber
2. Christopher Korina
3. ZZZX
4. GreenLiquid
5. Major Minor CheekyTeeky
6. Lovebird
7. Iconeum

Town

GL

Townlean

Bujaber
Cheeky

Scum in varying degrees

Love
zzzzzx
korina

If i look at this list, I think I'm more comfortable lynching zzzzx depending on his catchup post.


fp'd a bunch by Love

So yeah, my scumteam at this moment would be Love/zzzx

I'm focusing on zzzx more? Have you been reading at all?
All i've done is trying to get a wagon going on Lovebird. I've been the biggest advancer of Love lynch ALL FUCKING GAME. I was opposed to an 'HEY LETS LYNCH A NO INFO NM ' all game.

Saying I don't want a love lynch is really a giant misrep.
i'm looking for other suspects. zzzzx is higly suspicious.

I Do consider all options here.

Why? There's 2 scum. zzzx is a realistic possibility of being the second scum.
I've already extensively posted why.

If we can't get a Love lynch, I would probably settle on zzzx (and only him).
This day has been going on for a while, and we haven't even managed to get Love to L-1.

Why would I not look at other targets?

Look at the interaction between Love and zzzx

How can you even say it's fine that i'm thinking of zzzx lynch, when THAT IS THE REASON YOU ARE VOTING ME

I mean, this proves that you haven't read a single one of my posts on D2, right?
Now, where's my hard defense of zzzx today?

[Iconeum]

The thing why I linked love and zzzzx is exactly the opposite of specific interactions. There are none.

[Iconeum]

Cheeky, calmy read through me previous posts and try to realize I'm scumreading zzzx here.
If you still consider buj and me as a townbloc like you just said, then we are lynching love first.

zzzx we lynch tomorrow.

If you want more clarification about this, I strongly suggest you reread the last 5 pages or so because I really feel you skimmed them.

[Iconeum]

I don't see what is unnatural. I didn't read zzzx as town, I had a good feeling about his posts. Then he comes in and hammers. From then, I clearly posted my scumread on him.

Also, I'm not really defending Korina. I liked the opening. What I am defending is why Love is the better lynch. If I make a list of lynch order, Korina is not in my first 2 to lynch.
if you call that defending the slot, fine.

[Iconeum]

shit I forgot about this game.

Will read with maximum of 48 hours to read, update and post.

-Z

About 1 hour left to post something you had ready 5 days ago.

[Iconeum]

Back now, catching up later today.

Also, lol @ zzzzx. What a giant turd waste of time.

[Iconeum]

Korina still playing to scum meta btw.

Like, wtf. Bujaber and ico, you were both in forest fire, right? Don't see this?

I don't think I played a forest fire, ever.

[Iconeum]

It's not until his 147, after repeatedly being called out to provide substance to his case, that he calls my 59 'lazy'. And that post wasn't even made until after his accusation. Another odd thing is calling me and Buj a scumteam in 400, after I've spend most of my posts attacking Buj and voting him. Again, not bothering to prove the relation.

After this, he hops votes and goes to NM with a naked vote until someone else calls me out.

Lovebird, your entire read on me is based on having 'empty' posts. If you are still scumreading me, what's it based on?

I never claimed to have a "case" on you. I asked people to vote you just because of what I said, because your posts seem empty and I wanted to see if anything would happen under pressure.

What's "odd" about what I said? You think it's impossible or something just because of your interactions so far?

So I went back in Lovebird ISO to see what makes Love want to lynch me so much, and except for posts calling for my lynch, this is the first one that popped up (please do correct me if I missed something here).

You don't even have a case on me, bro.
Do you still feel I have empty posts? Because that's the basis if your earlier scumread.

[Iconeum]

Why would you even consider lynching me?
Like seriously, what's even the case here?

[Iconeum]

I couldn't say a single reason I remember anyone giving that I'm scum. Just "I'm scummy" or "early posting was scummy".

Funny shit, because this is EXACTLY your case on me. 'Early posting was low content'. I mean, you have been pushing me for that from post 51!
51! And you have not expanded your read AT ALL.

However, let me refresh your memory here:

Spoiler:

Lovebird vote skummy as fuck

Everyone should read GL's 443, and then reread it again. It's just a great post.
Lovebird is so obviously scum it's ridiculous.

Read especially the part about the read evolution from town to an L-1 vote.
Before that, I also called out his vote in 203, his vote in 198. Naked L-1 vote on NM. This was after being prodded. He also failed to mention that was an L-1 vote.

VOTE: lovebird


If you agree with this and agree with GL's read on love, you should be voting lovebird.
This lynch is so much better then Rask's or NM's...

VOTE: not mafia

VOTE: Not Mafia

Okay, I see what you mean. Goes to not mafia as an easy push. Says he wants more content, but voting not mafia doesn't really accomplish that.

I voted NM after coming back from getting prodded because nobody cared about lynching my scumread and the game wasn't moving, needed a lynch.

You focusing just on my vote ignoring the others is just omgus for what I'm saying about you.

VOTE: Not mafia

Doubting other reads. Fine with this.

These are the only mentions you have in your ISO in regards to NM. All I see here are naked votes, and 'I vote there to get the game moving'.
Somehow you also say you are fine with that read.

Best place for scum to be voting right now.

Explain Chris Rask in RVS?

The rask towny thing that you think is scummy.

You think it's scum scoping out the playerlist? I guess, but I wouldn't think he'd mention anything from the profiles that he found then.

Could be bored town. Fits with not wanting to wagon anyone who was being active.

Why else you're scumreading rask? I never really saw anything scummy there.

I was townreading him because seemed to be trying to sort people early, hadn't really seen anything that made me change my mind.

Okay, I see what you mean. Goes to not mafia as an easy push. Says he wants more content, but voting not mafia doesn't really accomplish that.

Idk, still would feel not right voting rask.

VOTE: Cheeky
feeling either with n_m or, if I'm wrong on n_m scum who knows n_m is town tbh

I feel like rask may have given up.

VOTE: Rask

L-1, claim pls

UNVOTE:

Defends Rask for majority of D1, then pushes Rask to L-1 asking a claim, Rask doesn't claim but posts a bunch, and unvotes.
After this, no follow up/questions/pressure on Rask whatsoever. Just votes NM.

I'm reading this as scum.

[Iconeum]

Please show me where you have expanded on your read from post 50'ish and onward. Because that's when you started pushing me for low content.

[Iconeum]

That's... not a case on me.

[Iconeum]

Guilty as charged for trying to sort Bujaber.

[Iconeum]

oh boy

[Iconeum]

It takes a little time to write everything though.

[Iconeum]

So in your first paragraph you scumread me because I have a case on Lovebird, and townread Love for a lack of explanation on me.
Then you begin explaining how Love was switching around votes, 'going with the flow', but not scumreading for it.

Then in the second paragraph you accuse me of 'going with the flow' and scumreading me for it.
I am quoting and copying quite a bit from GL, but that's because I townread him and like his posting. For some reason you scumread me here for 'pocketing a strong town', but the contrary is true. He's being scumread by the other players so if anything, why would I stick my neck out defending GL here if I'm scum?

I agree about Bujaber, and after everything I'm also reading Buj as town here. Agree that his reaction at almost-lynch was very townie.
Not liking that you put Cheeky at the top of your read. That makes little sense.

In all, townread on Blackvoid mostly because of the effort he put into the catchup, but it also sounds sincere.
It's wrong, but it's sincere.

[Iconeum]

Blackvoid, if you reread Lovebird vs me, you'll see Love starts scumreading me EXTREMELY early.
Mostly (and only) for lack of content 'empty' posts. If you call that 'making intuitively sense' I agree with you.

What's wrong with it is that it hasn't changed entire game. When I asked lovebird about this, the response makes no sense.
It's in 894. Phoneposting now so sorry for not linking it

[Iconeum]

One more thing, after my 1v1 with Bujaber when I'm trying to sort him, I began townreading him. That's not an opportunistic scumpush.

[Iconeum]

What? zzzx I scumread for that shithammer and reasons, but what Black is posting is obvtown to me. Why would I push that??

[Iconeum]

Ya'll better be gettin' your facts straight quickly here.

[Iconeum]

What is my scum motivation for townreading Blackvoid, after having zzzx as a scumread?

[Iconeum]

What can I possibly hope to achieve by that?

[Iconeum]

Doesn't mean I can't be wrong about Black, and maybe i'm giving him too much credit for the effort.

Still, we lynch Lovebird today and see what happens there. It's still my main scumread, and Ive posted extensively why.

[Iconeum]

Stop scumreading me if ur town. The case on me is just bad. I only had low content early D1. Focus elsewhere.
I'm not getting lynched today.

[Iconeum]

Waiting for Korina to be replaced, yes

[Iconeum]

We need a solid lynch to work with. Out of all players, I feel lovebird is really the only one I can put in my lynchpool right now.

My towncore is too damn small. I currently only have Buj and GL in there.
Cheeky in the middle, I don't like his push on me. Could be town.
Null on Korina. zzzx/blackvoid can go either way. I liked the catch up post, but zzzx scumhammer can't be forgotten. Would rather not lynch the slot and give him opportunity to post and be sorted.

That leaves lovebird as the lynch. I know you guys disagree with these reads, but i'm posting MY thoughts here for later reference.

[Iconeum]

Stop scumreading me if ur town. The case on me is just bad. I only had low content early D1. Focus elsewhere.
I'm not getting lynched today.

Will respond to the rest in a bit but I really don't buy this soft-claim here. I think we have enough concensus on Iconeum being scum that having a claim might be a good idea.

Rolefishing on L-2? Maybe I was thrown off by your catch up and ur scum after all.

[Iconeum]

I didn't say in case I get lynched. I said for later reference.

Just checked, L-1 not L-2.

I claim a PR. Will not claim more, as to keep scum guessing to target me or not.

[Iconeum]

Lol. Doesn't change much. If I was scum I'd claim cop or doc to draw out the actual PR so I'm not claiming anything specifically.
The other PR knows what to do tonight.

[Iconeum]

We'll see.

[Iconeum]

Since you guys are still considering lynching me after claiming PR:

Claiming doc. I didn't want to claim, because now scum can just choose not to kill me and have a shot at the cop. They kill me on the next night.Otherwise I had a good chance of eating the bullet.

Though, I'm not sure they want to deal with a confirmed Iconeum on the next day.

[Iconeum]

GL

[Iconeum]

I'm focusing on zzzx more? Have you been reading at all?
All i've done is trying to get a wagon going on Lovebird. I've been the biggest advancer of Love lynch ALL FUCKING GAME. I was opposed to an 'HEY LETS LYNCH A NO INFO NM ' all game.

Saying I don't want a love lynch is really a giant misrep.
i'm looking for other suspects. zzzzx is higly suspicious.

I

Do consider

all options here.

I crumbed a bit as well.

[Iconeum]

Scum has no reason to cc me.

If we do not lynch love today, thenwho?

[Iconeum]

Vla until monday

[Iconeum]

I skimmed from the start of day 2 and got to the end of page 35 and I don't really understand the Love wagon. She looks more town than anybody else right now.

Hi thanks for replacing. Could you please go over your town read of love so others can see it?

This question from Cheeky is really townie. I cannot see why scum would ever bother to ask that.

I thought that Lovebird was already town and I've already given my thoughts on her scumreads; it didn't affect my read negatively.

Icon I didn't need to get a read on at all, I'd already determined he's conftown.

Please give us your towncase for me as well, because I was about to be lynched before claiming. Most were scumreading me. What did you see?

[Iconeum]

Cheeky, that's fine and all. But we are still lynching Love first.
IIRC you were the one to derail Lovebird lynch earlier. That's not happening again now.

[Iconeum]

I can probably come to a consensus on Blackvoid (replacing zzzzx). There's not way we are lynching Bujaber.

Blackvoid/Lovebird is much more likely.

Thoughts from everyone?

[Iconeum]

Yeah I'm happy with this.

100% chance of finding scum between korina/love.
99% chance of finding the 2nd scum between GL/cheeky/Ico. There is a chance zz is scum but that seems far too low now that I thought about this some more.

In a game this small where a player like me (usually I'm a low-average poster in games) is one of the top posters there is no way 3 townies out of a pool of 5 townies all find me scummy.

Like this isn't my first game on MS I know for a fact my playstyle/meta is not completely different than everyone on the site. People can and have townread me correctly.

I am voting love or korina today. So yes love is fine. My vote's already there.

VOTE: Icon

I am going to give love a chance. Seems his posts are generally small and somewhat NAI in general. Not clearing him but I think an Icon flip is gonna be helpful here.

And I realized the love/korina not town together kind of assumes ico is town. If ico is scum there's a huge flaw.

Just townreading GL is scummy as all hell. Ico is also a strong townplayer who is difficult to scumread and usually doesn't let inconsistencies and scummy posts fly without scrutiny. He seems rather lazy here. Also he keeps getting cold feet around wagons. He didn't vote for NM. IN FACT he has been tunneling on icon all game and now that we have a real shot at lynching love he's focusing on zzz instead? Why?
If you notice a few posts earliet he said if love flips scum I would be conftown. So we have a wagon that all game long he has been pushing AND if it flips scum it clears another player from his POV AND he doesn't like the counter wagons (me, korina, cheeky earlier) but he still isn't happy lynching Lovebird?

Yeeeeaaah I haven't been noticing this before but this is looking like damning evidence.

Icon is scum. GL is likely his partner. If not GL it's Korina or possibly cheeky.

But it's probably GL.

Icon/GL scumteam. I was right from the very fucking start with my two scumpools.

If icon is town we lynch love. If love is also town we fucking lose because fuck this game and fuck lurkers.

Pedit - zzz is a bad lynch why is he most likely to flip scum. He is scummy but not most likely to flip scum. Other people are also scummy. And you've been changing your mind too many times with me.
Like even now you say it's probably zz/love but choosing to lynch zz. You say I could flip scum but if love is scum I am conftown. From your pov love is the best lynch..You not wanting to now is crazy.

And what evidence is there than GL is town. I can only personally clear GL by PoE depending on who flips scum. Nothing in his play is particularly townie.

Bujaber/Love is also very much possible.

Buj, explain above sequence of posts?

[Iconeum]

Buj, we need to keep our options open here and I fully 100% agree we need love flip. The problem here is we already agreed to this a long time ago, and somewhere you were suddenly fine with not lynching love anymore despite being 100% sure there is scum there. You switched to me.

[Iconeum]

Cheeky can def still be scum this game.

The lynchpoos is actually quite OK:

Love/BV should net us scum in a LOT of the times

[Iconeum]

Alright, time to take a stance

Iconeum, GL, Buj, / TOWN
Cheeky, Korina / NEUTRAL can go either way
Love, Blackvoid / SCUM

[Iconeum]

wtf why cop claim.

gg town

This is such a bad claim I can't even begin to describe it

[Iconeum]

Should have just help lynch lovebird if ur cop

Then I take the bullet tonight, giving cop himself and another as conf town (or a conf guilty) next day.
Or even better the option that scum tries to shoot cop, and we have 3 conf tomorrow.

Now you die tonight, I am the only conf town tomorrow and we are down the cop.

[Iconeum]

Hold the presses, I'm being silly here.

Sorry Blackvoid, you may actually be correct about how bad it is for cop to claim in Lylo.

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE: love

scumclaim?

[Iconeum]

It is what it is. I believe your claim and it will be disproven by CC anyway so for now I'm gonna accept it and re-evaluate this while there is still time.

Fact 1: I cannot go to lylo with lovebird
Fact 2: We have 2 conf town to work with

[Iconeum]

Alive:

1. BuJaber / TOWN
2. Christopher Korina / CAN LYNCH
3. ZZZX BlackVoid / TOWN
4. GreenLiquid / TOWN
5. Major Minor CheekyTeeky / CAN LYNCH
6. Lovebird / CAN LYNCH
7. Iconeum / TOWN

so a pool of 3 in:

Love (1), Cheeky (2), Korina (3)

Everyone should post a threesome as lynchpool and we see where we match

Love flipping scum means Cheeky is very likely partner

[Iconeum]

Why is Void orried about lylo tomorrow is not lylo unless love is town, right?

There is Always the possibility

[Iconeum]

Interesting how the activity picks up from both Bu/Ico when I push Bu. This is the second time this has happened.

Ico why are you townreading Bu?

Are you suggesting an Ico/Bu scumteam? Because then we need to talk.

We need to do this:

I'm not the cop

[Iconeum]

Buj interaction ONLY makes sense if he's intending on claiming cop

[Iconeum]

If he does, i'm hoping he crumbed that somewhere

[Iconeum]

Get the fuck off love or you're in big ass trouble tomorrow

No. Both Blackvoid and Buj would make sense as scumpartner for Love.

[Iconeum]

Buj, if you counterclaim, just do it now. We need the info.

Either CC, or claim 'not cop'.

[Iconeum]

Ok, so get the hell off of the claimed cop.

I also agree that it's possible of 1 scum in buj/Cheeky.

But seriously, love is flipping scum, no?

[Iconeum]

this better not be tvt

[Iconeum]

I revoted love. I was arguing with void but I never voted for void. It's still L-1.

I seriously think it's Ank/cheeky.

why are you voting love if it's ank/Cheeky?

[Iconeum]

This is what happens if we lynch love.

Flips town > Cop dies > Ico conf town.
Flips scum > Cop dies > Ico conf town.

Just the fact that Bu keeps going on about me killing him is 100% a scum claim.

I know I'm slow, but please explain why that is a scumclaim?

[Iconeum]

I'm holding off until the others have posted

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE: lovebird

[Iconeum]

I- I am actually adjusting to a world where Lovebird is friggin town. While I still scumread his actions this game, I compared them to the game where I got Love mislynched.
It's very similar. This could very well be Love town play here.

@Lovebird, there is a chance we will actually need to work together here. Who would you lynch today?

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE: lovebird

Wow you got him to unvote. Cheeky will actually win this game as scum?

Amazing.

How this game will end up with the lylo of me cheeky and GL:

Love gets lynched > Void NK > Ank gets lynched > Ico NK > GL Cheeky Bu remain.

Give me any version where that doesn't happen?
The version where you get these people to mislynch me now.

Ta-da.

In Lylo with Buj, Cheeky and GL, you have 2 scumreads Buj. You are/were scumreading both Cheeky and GL. From your PoV, those 3 alive isn't lylo, it's game over.

[Iconeum]

Cheeky - you realize you make sense as scum in both town!love flip and scum!love flip?

After all you also townread GL so he is never scum in this game according to literally EVERYONE except me. You have no option to scumread GL or you look bad and Void just claimed cop. I am the only townie left you can scumread without you getting scrutinized for it.

Interesting. This holds true. Cheeky has been all over the place with his votes. Between Cheeky and Buj, Cheeky has been far less committed to own reads.

And holy crap, Cheeky's ISO is terrible

[Iconeum]

I have spoilered the progression from Cheeky below.
He has been so all over the place, it's unreal. There wasn't a single lynch he did not want except for lovebird on D1.

Please take a little time to read this and tell me what you think, guys. Cheeky/Lovebird scumteam here

Spoiler:

Yay, someone else scumreads ico.

VOTE: Iconeum

Would rather Chris. Also would like to hear from Bu on the unlikelihood of a Ico/Chris team.

NM is town you fools. Try generating content by wagoning other players.

My biggest suspects are Chris/love/Rask/Ico atm.

Will do ISOs and discuss later.

Ok ty. Love reads like frustrated town. So I'm down to Ico/Chris/Rask

More votes on Rask please. I'm ready for a flip too.

Everyone should read GL's 443, and then reread it again. It's just a great post.
Lovebird is so obviously scum it's ridiculous.

Read especially the part about the read evolution from town to an L-1 vote.
Before that, I also called out his vote in 203, his vote in 198. Naked L-1 vote on NM. This was after being prodded. He also failed to mention that was an L-1 vote.

VOTE: lovebird


If you agree with this and agree with GL's read on love, you should be voting lovebird.
This lynch is so much better then Rask's or NM's...

Why does this feel like you're just upset about Lovebird for scumreading you? He mentions other scum reads too, with Love like 3rd in priority.

Your read progression on Bu was also pretty rubbish.

Ok let's do it.

VOTE: Love

Damn that was pretty towny Rask. I don't know if that's outside of your scum range? The admitting to looking hedgy that is.

VOTE: BuJaber

I'd prefer Bu over Love atm.

VOTE: Rask

Feels like you're shopping around for a lynch. Your posts this page have been awful.

First you second guess your town read on Bu, then you randomly vote/unvote ico and now you're asking the biggest wagonee for her reads when she's given a fair bit of info and clearly suspects Ico.

The reason I jumped off love was so scum couldn't hammer if we were wrong and you refusing to put her to L-1 with any conviction spews love town if you are scum.

Your ISO is still really bad. In summary you pushed a PL lynch, have OMGUS voted twice and tried to convince us that scum must be in the low posters but now you cannot make up your mind. Some confident reads would go a long way for you on players with actual content i.e. on players other than NM. I still dislike your reaction to my initial push on you.

If Rask flips scum I'm pretty convinced Bu makes sense as buddy.

Ok then

VOTE: BuJaber

Ok who wants to quicklynch Ico?

VOTE: Iconeum

Ok who wants to quicklynch Ico?

Why quicklynch? Don't wanna discuss my lynch?

Well now that you asked, I just reread your ISO. I was scum reading your ISO until I saw what looked like you assessing people's votes onto the NM wagon. Then when I read again I realised the intent could actually come from either alignment. The shade you were casting on Love's NM was pretty shallow and opportunistic. Because the one thing that gave me doubt on my initial read of you is essentially void, I no longer town read you.

I do townread Love and Bu in contrast to scumreading you.

Fine let's end it. You all better have this game sorted tomorrow. Like people actually need to read around the NM wagon and Love wagon.

VOTE: love HAMMERTIME MWAHAHA

Biggest scum reads are Ico and Rask for anyone that's good at taking a closer look.

VOTE: Iconeum

VOTE: ZZZX

VOTE: BuJaber

Can we lynch Korina first out of love/Korina? Although I don't agree with a lot of BuJaber's logic, his intent feels a lot townier so I'm not lynching him today.

I'm happy lynching in Ico/ZZZX/Korina.

Will need to relook at love wagon and counters.

VOTE: Iconeum until we agree on a better lynch

I'd lynch zzzx or even chris atm over love I think
0 to 5 votes doesnt seem so viable atm though

would you flashwagon zzzx?

assocspec

Bujaber != christopher
Lovebird != Greenliquid
Bujaber != iconeum
Bujaber != cheeky (??? 354?)
Iconeum != Love ???
Love != Cheeky ???

with bu w/ love seem pretty unlikely unless votepark into VLA is d1 hardbus, and i didnt examine bu w/ GL (1v1s harder to tell if because its traditional distancing) but i dont think GL is scum as individual

I think if bus scum hes scum its almost exclusively N_M or ZZZX given assoc which admittedly are the worst ones to have open and given independently think mostly likely 1 scum in there so. welp ultimately kinda useless

this is why I wanted to lynch in N_M though because thinkscum but even if wrong clearing assocations can get into gamesolve

zzzzx town

Hey wait what?

Ok so going through Rask's ISO he kept flip flopping on Love/ZZZX/Ico and me.

He thought love was 60%ish town but he pushed for wagon on love a few times and it gained momentum. If I'm objective - even though I TR love I'll admit they've not done much but maybe pocket me today and I called love town yesterday so it makes sense that Rask was N1 kill over me if Love is scum.

ZZZX did nothing and still has done nothing. When Rask initially pushed him he voted Rask and parked there all day until he hammered NM and the perpetual active lurking is a dead give away that this guy is not invested in the game like a town player would be. He also had reason to want Rask dead.

Ico makes sense as a partner to ZZZX because he keeps town reading him when there's virtually nothing to defend him for.

@Ico can you please explain your town read of ZZZX and why you keep defending him? I think you're less suspicious than Love because I was hard pushing you yesterday and it feels like scum expect me to keep trying to lynch you.

Rask did also mention Chris/Korina but not as much as ZZZX and love so I'm going to follow the dead and say I'm into lynching ZZZX today over Korina.

VOTE: ZZZX

I say we wagon him until he catches up. No more excuses, give us content or replace out.

VOTE: Iconeum

VOTE: BuJaber

No Ico we aren't. We're lynching BuJaber first.

[Iconeum]

Yeah I'm happy with my townbloc of Buj/GL/myself/Blackvoid
Korina whatever

Lynch in Cheeky/Love

[Iconeum]

And I'm not even that sure about Love anymore. I have a feeling Love would have wanted to kill me N1.

[Iconeum]

That makes no sense as town to want to be lynched.

[Iconeum]

How can you still be THIS sure love is town, Cheeky?

[Iconeum]

I'm probably down to vote Ank today, actually

[Iconeum]

I'm in a bit of a rut since I have two somewhat strong reads (Lovebird and GreenLiquid both town) and the rest of the impressions I got don't feel right with them.

I don't think I can get a read on BuJaber until I have enough of a read on the gamestate to be able to fit him somewhere within it. I did see one post that pinged me as scum, but it's not a strong ping and I eventually started filtering out all his walls because they feel like noise after a while.
CheekyTeeky is somewhat similar, but for the opposite reason. There was one thing I noticed that pinged scum about her... but beyond that it's hard to get an impression of disinterested-town or coasting-scum.
Icon is 100% town, even without CCs.
You fit snugly into a class of player that I'm well aware results in a town-lean bias, so I'm taking that read at face value until I either have a better picture of what's going on or I have more concrete things to get reads from in a method that I'm better adept at getting reads from.

Is there any of those three slots you feel strongly about? I can go more into Love too if really needed, but there's not a whole lot of detail I can go into with it.

Let's see what we have here.
I'm gonna assume you put yourself as town, together with Love and Green. Later in the post I am a conftown, but I'm not in your townreads.

That's 4 out of 7 players town. No mention of Blackvoid, but with the copclaim I doubt you will scumread him.
So 5 out of 7 town. That means you have NO choice but to put your scumread in Buj and Cheeky as a team.

That also means you think the last 5 or so pages are scum v scum? Right?

[Iconeum]

Oh right, this is a micro.

That leaves BuJaber and BlackVoid for right now out of PoE.

Uggggggggh walls

With BlackVoid claimed cop, what changes here?

[Iconeum]

I'm following along roughly, but I'll be a bit before I can go into depth.

VOTE: BuJaber

Most confident on this by far.

I think ur scum that made a mistake by clearing too many players in your catchup.

Buj is literally the only one you can vote here. You don't even bother to post reasons except 'confidence'.

[Iconeum]

Buj v Cheeky is not SvS. It could still be TvT.

Ank/Cheeky or Ank/Love?

[Iconeum]

You don't think love/cheeky is possible?

I would vote ank today but I am less confident that love is scum if ank flips town first than I am that ank is scum if love flips town first. Does that make sense?

Love/Cheeky is very much possible.
I'm considering options here.

Also, no that doesn't make much sense. IF we lynch ank first, then you think love is more likely town as well?

[Iconeum]

I revoted love. I was arguing with void but I never voted for void. It's still L-1.

I seriously think it's Ank/cheeky.

why are you voting love if it's ank/Cheeky?

Buj, did you answer this one yet? If you did, I missed it. Pretty please link me the answer?

[Iconeum]

@buj, no no no no no. You said you were sure about ank/Cheeky. Not that you were sure about ank/Cheeky IF love flips town.

[Iconeum]

I request the GreenLiquid in here!

[Iconeum]

You can call (premature) claims whatever you want, they sure get the game going lol

[Iconeum]

why not ank/love?

@Cheeky, it does give us 2 conf town to work with. Both of which were being read as scummy.
Also gives 1 guaranteed town on D3. It's actually pretty good.

[Iconeum]

Well BuJaber is slightly less scum for going back on the love/me team read.

Anyways, this is my last post until I'm off work. Chill with the posts, seriously.

What's the opposite of OMGUS? regarding the first part

Why would we chill? Deadline fast approaching, finally some good discussion and you are trying to stop that??

[Iconeum]

I'm in a bit of a rut since I have two somewhat strong reads (Lovebird and GreenLiquid both town) and the rest of the impressions I got don't feel right with them.

I don't think I can get a read on BuJaber until I have enough of a read on the gamestate to be able to fit him somewhere within it. I did see one post that pinged me as scum, but it's not a strong ping and I eventually started filtering out all his walls because they feel like noise after a while.
CheekyTeeky is somewhat similar, but for the opposite reason. There was one thing I noticed that pinged scum about her... but beyond that it's hard to get an impression of disinterested-town or coasting-scum.
Icon is 100% town, even without CCs.
You fit snugly into a class of player that I'm well aware results in a town-lean bias, so I'm taking that read at face value until I either have a better picture of what's going on or I have more concrete things to get reads from in a method that I'm better adept at getting reads from.

Is there any of those three slots you feel strongly about? I can go more into Love too if really needed, but there's not a whole lot of detail I can go into with it.

Let's see what we have here.
I'm gonna assume you put yourself as town, together with Love and Green. Later in the post I am a conftown, but I'm not in your townreads.

That's 4 out of 7 players town. No mention of Blackvoid, but with the copclaim I doubt you will scumread him.
So 5 out of 7 town. That means you have NO choice but to put your scumread in Buj and Cheeky as a team.

That also means you think the last 5 or so pages are scum v scum? Right?

First, I don't have you directly in my townreads because I don't town read your play, I townread your claim.

Second of all, what makes you so sure that it can't be SvS?

BuJaber has his plan set already for a win assuming Lovebird gets lynched (which is still likely at that stage). He doesn't need to do anything more than that since all he needs is to drown everyone else like he's been doing today.
Cheeky's plan is win-win in the sense that either nobody takes her seriously (very likely) and it's a huge distancing act that will probably be shelved tomorrow so she can help lynch me, or she

is

taken seriously (very unlikely) and she sacrifices herself to put BuJaber into a much better spot to win despite needing an extra day.

It's not farfetched if you really think about the why and how it fits with BuJaber's play the past several pages.

I thought that Lovebird was already town and I've already given my thoughts on her scumreads; it didn't affect my read negatively.

Icon I didn't need to get a read on at all, I'd already determined he's conftown.

So which one is it, townread my play or my claim? ☺

[Iconeum]

Intent to hammer ank as well. Not much time to comment today.
Ank and cheeky
Or
Cheekh and love

[Iconeum]

But cheeky better lynch i thi k. Did nkt like his self vote and hes on both my teams

[Iconeum]

Quicklynch without waiting for the conf town because?

[Iconeum]

That's true. And the Buj/Cheeky/Ico fighting didn't help us, either.

[Iconeum]

GL played great I think. I know some scumread him correctly, but still.