First post says 10:3In post 1453, Nexus wrote:Votecount 3.2:
CheekyTeeky (2)- StefanB, Hiraki
StefanB (2)- GreyICE, MagnaofIllusion
MagnaofIllusion (1)- Saudade
Hiraki (1)- CheekyTeeky
Not voting (3)- Gamma Emerald, Prism, Piplup
Day 3 now begins. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline at 8pm on Monday 7th May 2018 (expired on 2018-05-07 20:00:00)
Still searching for a Gamma Emerald replacement.
Moi deer hunt clear for now.In post 75, CultOfAthena wrote:Really don't like the timing of Magna's vote on Erika. Hoopla's reaction in 41 also seems like posturing.
Vote: MagnaofIllusion
Unless Cult voted MoI at the start Saudade wagon was very much town driven. Considering flavor is town Saudade looks like likely scum.In post 250, CultOfAthena wrote:
Saudade wagon seems kind of transparently scum-driven, at least going off my current reads.
That gives me pause, actually.
This is a misrep of the question asked.In post 1468, Saudade wrote:This is my second game.In post 1466, CheekyTeeky wrote:Well those actions can obviously come from town so..In post 1465, Saudade wrote:his case makes a lot of sense actually if you are willing to readcin circumstances rather than raw player inputIn post 1463, CheekyTeeky wrote:Your case for scum reading my slot makes no sense to me Stefan. Who are your biggest scum reads and town reads atm?
.no not really.
Saudade is it generally your thing to act scummy as both alignments at the start of a game? Do you have other games where you've behaved similarly that you could link me to?
Do quote my scumtells this game sir I'd love to see your thought process
VOTE: Saudade
If Saud is town and I am wrong this is scum.
Interesting. Interesting indeed. Might just have it backwards will wait and see while I catch up.In post 1478, CheekyTeeky wrote:If you are wrong on both counts you should be lynched. Don't like your hedging here.
I am actually working on improving my town game so no. The times I replace in and do well is when I read mod summaries and vote analysis then look at significant events. Reading the whole thing leads me to conf bias.In post 1485, StefanB wrote:@Mod you forgot to mark that Piplup did replace Erica in the first post
On the Mark is Gamma, there is a nice little list in post one, Nexus has the replacements up to date.
Beeing wrong does unfortunatly not mean werewolf.
At the moment I think the scum are at CheekyTeeky, Piplup and I am feeling more like Hiraki could be it.
Grey is right, MoI makes little sense as werewolf and Grey himself should be town.
On the Mark since I believe that you are town, can you read please the whole game before you look your vote?
Btw I have somethink that can do somethink, the longer I wait the more powerful it gets.
But it would elimate some distraction, use or don't use?
And I would appreciate it if you don’t out that.In post 1492, StefanB wrote:Its not really dificult to find out who OntheMark is.
You mean this? Can someone explain to me why scum didn’t kill the tracker claim and instead kill others? Yes I say claim because I am sorting it. Deal.In post 507, MagnaofIllusion wrote:To be fair anyone who is really worried about Hoopla today consider Burden of Proficency. Realistically Hoopla (and Grey and Cheet) are all in the same boat as me. As someone with long histories of quality play on site we can’t be left alive long term by scum as Town. Certainly any of the four of us kicking around near LYLO is a danger sign. Keep that in the back of your head if you are Town.
Erika would be my pick in those voters as most likely scum as it stands. Really have already said my piece on that issue.
How do we know Saudade went nowhere? In other words I ask to verify the events?In post 1505, StefanB wrote:The tracker claimed day 2 as a counterclaim towards fakeclaiming town.
So it is only Hoopla that was killed instead.
He claimed to be roleblocked night 1 and followed Saudede who went nowhere (this is correct)
MoIs theory is that they were afraid of a watcher, Greys that scum screwed up.
Hoopla could have been more dangerous than MoI for the scum, that is my theory, because she was on the right track, while MoI hasn't been on the right track since the hammer.
In post 455, Cheetory6 wrote:I think this is where I'm at atm?
My scumreads feel so consensus right now :').
Gamma
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implosion, COA
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GI
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Erika, Stefan, Hoopla, Saudade, Hiraki
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Prism
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MOI, Flavor
@UCVcan you update the OP playerlist please?
How can Saudade verify it? Is he a self watcher? If he is a VT that means MoI could be a role cop.In post 1509, StefanB wrote:Well MoI told us and Saudade can verify it.
And they aren't scum together.
If it is enough I can garantie that the result of MoI is not wrong.
Claim: A fakeclaim and perhaps a softclaim they could have picked up.
P-edit: Cheet was more sheeping Grey (and a short time me) at the point.
In post 503, MagnaofIllusion wrote:The large number if Singleton vanity votes. Since Flavor has been the leading wagon there really has only been one even middling counter wagon attempt - me. Scum have made no significant effort to find another lynch. If Flavor was scum and he’s being bussed there would be a stronger effort to get the Bus pushed through for Town cred. Instead we get neither and a weak wagon with a large number of people sitting on solo off votes waiting for momentum to end Flavor.
Willing to bet at least one of the solo votes is scum.
In post 506, MagnaofIllusion wrote:The voters - Grey, Erika slot , Cult, Prism
Pedit how do you know it:In post 802, MagnaofIllusion wrote:VOTE: FlavorIn post 793, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t like this composition really, but I didn’t like Cult’s vote and made me uneasy about the Hoopla wagon.
This is the epitome of a compromise wagon. But I think it’s telling
ISO Flavor and do a search for Cult. Notice how there is a complete lack of mentioning Cult in any capacity until this vote.
Then decide - does it really make sense that Flavor is "bothered" by Cult's vote when he has expressed zero worry about him previous and said vote is on Hoopla who is supposedly one of Flavor's top scum reads?
Nah, don't think so.
This may be a scum claim from Grey let’s see if MoI’s reads changed to townread Grey.
Hmmm interesting. Why did MoI stop pushing Grey and why did MoI stop being blocked?In post 1292, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Quick phone post .. did a detailed read and have some quick thoughts -
UNVOTE: Grey
I’ve got two people I’m torn between on where my vote goes. Need some input on a couple of things before I commit -
Stefan - why shouldn’t I see 1083 as scum thinking? A clear on a VT is an absolute win for Town when PRs exist.
Hiraki - why is Gamma’s vote on Saud from a scum perspective?
Finally the first play to state what I find interesting about 1270 gets a cookie and vote amnesty for today.
Calling it here one of MoI or Grey is likely scum.In post 1389, StefanB wrote:VC day 1:
StefanB(1) ~ implosion(53)
implosion(2) ~ Hiraki(26), Prism(17)
Prism(1) ~ Erika Furudo(50)
Flavor Leaf(2) ~ Saudade(75),CultofAthena
CultofAthena(lynch): GreyIce, Gamma Emerald,Hoopla,Cheetory6, StefanB,Flavor Leaf, MoI
VC day 2:
Flavor Leaf(6-LYNCHED) - Piplup, Saudade, GreyICE, StefanB, MagnaofIllusion,Flavor Leaf
Piplup (2) -Hoopla, implosion
implosion (1) - Prism
Not voting (2) -Hiraki, Gamma Emerald
Hiraki, Implosion and Prism haven't been on the lynchwaggon all game. Piplup and Saudade were of the scumlynch but on the townlynch, but both with very believable reasons.
VOTE: Implosion
I had a scumread here some time ago. Since that is my only scumread I am sure about, I will vote here.
Interesting. Where did you think you claimed day one? I am forming a theory and I wanna see if it has juice.In post 1519, StefanB wrote:Because everyone has pretty much ignored me since day 1(and I think I claimed PR since day 1) and everythink will be crystal clear upon my dead.
I can't confirm MoI as scum or town, I can confirm that he isn't a rolecop and I belive him to be a tracker.
Since MoI has made it clear that he will lynch confirmed town if he thinks they are bad players because they believe that he is scum, I am a bit unsure what the best option here is.
And now scum has to guess where the better roleblock is.
Okay now let’s look at what you said very carefully (under the assumption you and MoI are town temporarily.)In post 1519, StefanB wrote:Because everyone has pretty much ignored me since day 1(and I think I claimed PR since day 1) and everythink will be crystal clear upon my dead.
I can't confirm MoI as scum or town, I can confirm that he isn't a rolecop and I belive him to be a tracker.
Since MoI has made it clear that he will lynch confirmed town if he thinks they are bad players because they believe that he is scum, I am a bit unsure what the best option here is.
And now scum has to guess where the better roleblock is.
“Not normal stuff wrote:Returning "No Result" to Trackers who do not see their target go anywhere (in favor of "Your target did not visit anyone")
In post 1345, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Yeah not letting this go.
I’m the Town Tracker. Crumbed in the first letter of each sentence of 507. Tried to track Grey last night and got No Result which I confirmed with the Mod is not a Went Nowhere result. Which is why I was leaning heavily to there being a blocker.
No way both a full Tracker and Loyal Motion Detector are both Town when we already have a flipped Goon.
Happy for today to be me versus Flavor.
Looking over Grey’s ISO apparently you have a QT(odd not a PT) this game? Who is in it?In post 575, GreyICE wrote:Is she in your QT, Stefan?
@Grey ICE here is where you vote Athena. There were other votes if memory serves for Flavor and Stephan as well. Do you claim to be ascetic?In post 766, GreyICE wrote:Okay, fuck it. If I were to write a textbook on lurker scum it'd probably look like this. At least Stefan is trying, and I respect that.
Vote: CultofAthena
Why? All possibilities must be explored. Then the most likely found.In post 1533, StefanB wrote:Because the idea that he is ascetic just came into the play now.
I don't know what I think about it.
And basicly Grey is one of the most influencal players at the moment.
And the buss was strong, if it was one.
P-edit: Grey was the first one on Cult, after Hoopla voted elsewhere and the waggon had died? What do you mean with late jump?
And that was clearly a question that was meaned to implie I was scum.
Uhm...in games I have seen scum submit actions in a PT.In post 1537, GreyICE wrote:It feels like their roleblocker fucked up and forgot to submit the action last night and now someone's trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
@Grey and HirakiIn post 1536, GreyICE wrote:Yeah, I've got to give this newbie low marks for... practically everything.
How many games have you played on MS?In post 1541, GreyICE wrote:One player was active and one player wasn't? Seems simple enough to me. Or who the fuck knows? If you want to tell me the logic they used, go right ahead.
If you want to rolefish further, you can have that I'd claim Ascetic post 1 regardless of alignment if it was my role. Unfortunately my role wasn't quite so exciting, not that I haven't had a good run as some flavor of miller.
Again I addressed that.In post 1542, GreyICE wrote:As for where you're wrong, I started the Cult wagon.
That's why I'm extremely curious as to what fucking game you're reading. Or your claim that you've read the game at all.
No. I am trying to establish GreyICE is scum or full of shit.In post 1545, Hiraki wrote:Hey - gotta be honest here - are you trying this new style because you're trying to hide your identity? I'll be honest and say that no one cares (unless you're blacklisted!). These questions seem super awkward and just not helpful.
It’s a matter of demonstrating that Grey’s suggestion scum couldn’t submit a buddy’s action is bullshitIn post 1549, Hiraki wrote:Ok, so asking someone how many games they've played...?
Seconded can definitely add Hiraki. Been scum with him before and he would move heaven and earth to be in scum chat.In post 1550, StefanB wrote:The ascetic was somethink that no one thaught of before. Its not a role I have seen often as a scumrole.
Grey: You braught the waggon back to life, Hoopla was there for some time and abandoned it shortly before.
Grey: Which player would just forget to send in his action?
I would argue that the following wouldn't:
Prism
GreyIce
MagnaOfIllusion
Gamma Emerald
implosion
StefanB
I am pretty sure we can add Hiraki to the list.
Because he is suggesting the illogical to avoid talking about the possible.In post 1554, Hiraki wrote:I don't get how Grey being stubborn (assuming you're correct, I've personally never done it when the person hasn't given some consent to the action), how does that make him scum?
Being blocked twice would make him look as if he fake claimed. Not having results at all looks very suspicious if you claim PR. Especially with no other PRs hard claimed. The missing block has to be found. Kinda shocked I am the first person to ask this.In post 1556, GreyICE wrote:The FUCK?In post 1553, OnTheMark wrote:It’s a matter of demonstrating that Grey’s suggestion scum couldn’t submit a buddy’s action is bullshitIn post 1549, Hiraki wrote:Ok, so asking someone how many games they've played...?
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From a recently completed newbie game.
So scum likely didn’t forget”. They chose to block someone else or they didn’t ever block Grey at all.
And in regards to MOI because claiming blocked twice would look hella worse.
How would being blocked twice look worse than being blocked once when the second block is AFTER he claimed?
Walk me through this logic, right now.
Yes. It would.In post 1559, GreyICE wrote:Actually, lets put this in the right context.
Vote: OnTheMark
Piece of Logic number 1: Scum would block MOI N2 after the tracker claim if they blocked him N1.
Piece of Logic number 2: It would look scummy if MOI were blocked two nights in a row.
Oh MOI can yell. Haven’t finished reading him yet but boy can he blow a gasket, on command, as either alignment.In post 1564, Hiraki wrote:I don't remember Grey or MoI yelling at anyone. Well, MoI at least. Grey usually shouts.
Again, I am not hunting for roles. As I said earlier in a scum!me world (not a thing) MoI and StefanB are outed PRs. I would literally sit back take Gamma’s towncred and hop on a wagon and let misconceptions sit.In post 1566, GreyICE wrote:Yes, I get that you're desperately hunting for roles.In post 1562, OnTheMark wrote:Yes. It would.In post 1559, GreyICE wrote:Actually, lets put this in the right context.
Vote: OnTheMark
Piece of Logic number 1: Scum would block MOI N2 after the tracker claim if they blocked him N1.
Piece of Logic number 2: It would look scummy if MOI were blocked two nights in a row.
It would make MOI look bad.
Mainly the first night acting second night blocked is what I would expect if scum had a blocker
Followed by blocked both nights which yes would look scummy but be explainable
Followed by “We are gonna let a claimed PR run free because ‘logic’”
And go for it. I dare you.
That missing block needs to be explained and I am gonna find answers.
What I don't see is any flavor of scumhunting.
He has to address it.In post 1568, Hiraki wrote:Grey - why are you entertaining this argument about if someone can or cannot issue an action for others?
I did push him. I said it is protown for him to claim here.In post 1571, GreyICE wrote:I dunno. I'm mostly just trying to figure out what he's doing here. Like so far he's:In post 1568, Hiraki wrote:Grey - why are you entertaining this argument about if someone can or cannot issue an action for others?
Realized that Stefan softclaimed something, made a big deal about it in thread, but hasn't pushed him at all on the softclaim.
Rolefished about desperately as to what might have happened with MOI
Yelled at me about not putting enough pressure on COA and not telepathically realizing that COA was scum from my first post
Desperately complained that modding standards have changed (like I give a fuck)
This guy gets lynched today 100%. Put your vote on him, this happens.
Absolutely.In post 1577, GreyICE wrote:Works for me, kid. You prepared to die over this?
I really would appreciate if you would not call me a bitch please. Thank you.In post 1585, GreyICE wrote:You're dead, bitch.In post 1583, OnTheMark wrote:Furthermore why did you not continually protect the outed PR? Turn him into an IC if town and a vanilla goon who can’t kill if scum? I find it highly irregular you thought scum wouldn’t shoot MOI.
And those games all had scum who did something.In post 1584, GreyICE wrote:You don't think there's THREE PRs in a Mini Normal? Are you fucking serious?
1991: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=75047
numberQ Eddie Cane - Goon
Lexa - Goon
rb Maki Harukawa - Mafia Rolecop (Odd-Night)
havingfitz - JOAT (Track/Watch/Kill)
Luca Blight - JOAT (T/W/RB/GS)
Mumble - Doctor
Havo - VT
Guy_Named_Riggs Fissure - VT
Awoo - VT
Papa Zito -VT
Cedrick - VT
northsidegal - VT
Alexcellent - VT
1989:
Mafia Encryptor
Mafia 2-Shot Roleblocker
Mafia Goon
Town Doctor
Town Tracker
Town Mason
Town Mason
6 Vanilla Townies
1988:
8 Vanilla Townies
2 Mafia Goons
1 Town Day 5 Innocent Child
1 Town 1-shot Rolecop
1 Town 2-shot Neapolitan
And so on and so forth. For someone who spends so long on setup spec and checking old games you don't seem to have actually um... done any analysis.
Then stop making them.In post 1587, GreyICE wrote:Dead men don't get to make requests.
He doesn’t have to be right about everything but the fact he is claiming jailkeeper to cover his own ass when he saw how serious my push was says a lot.In post 1589, Hiraki wrote:I still have no idea why Grey must be right about everything.
1988 has the two strongest PRs in all of Mafia. Wtf?In post 1591, GreyICE wrote:Fine, I'll cut out with that insult, I apologize.
I won't cut out pointing out that:
And:And those games all had scum who did something.
In point of fact, 1988 was three weak power roles versusTWOgoons.
It’s called logic. Love it learn it live it.In post 1593, GreyICE wrote:Like this really feels like a complaint "wow our scum team doesn't have enough power" since all I see is one flipped goon.