Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

I just like kokichi as a person.

It had no real game reasons.

I voted Kokichi because I wanted to actually give him power one time to see what he'd do

[Gamma Emerald]

I voted for the goatness and I'm glad she is the leader

not that I really know what a leader is for

hi, I'm town, nice to meet you

pls be town

[Gamma Emerald]

should we claim who we voted for?
also thoughts on the fact D1 elected person probably has reasonably high scum equity?

like I talked myself out of it because surely that'd be too obvious but unless she got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 it's a question



ftr I voted Nancy Drew 39

I'm not sure if the leader has reasonably high scum equity because that suggests all scum voted as a pack for a scum team mate, which may not be true for associative reasons once everyone declares who they voted for.

My crackpot theory is that they possibly split votes

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm not leaving it for

later

because of

reasons

i'm not being mysterious or enigmatic for the point of looking 'cool' either

fence-sittery is fence sitting
'everybody gets a townread!'
you're still doing it right now. you're doing a lot of conflict resolution, and you're trying to keep everything calm.

it could be a scum mindset, but i don't really know because i currently have no real understanding of toranaga
that's why i didn't give it too much effort
cuz it's not actually that relevant yet, which you so kindly pointed out

good. townreading 3 people from the get go is taking a stance on the game and the opposite of fence sitting, which is why I couldn't comprehend what you even meant with it.

I'm not doing any conflict resolution because I'm not townreading two people who are going against each other. I have townread 3 people who went against one poster, who I do not have a townread on, have agreed with one of their posts on a fundamental level but can totally come from scum, and can see why he is being wolfread. that's not trying to resolve conflict or keep anything calm.

in other news, I'm townreading this, as unfitting as it is as a stance to have on my posting so far.

huh? why are you townreading it, I don't see the thread of logic?

[Gamma Emerald]

Random notes: FA and Cerb not scum together if either is scum.

Mind telling me why if you haven't said why already?

[Gamma Emerald]

Good thing this isnt MU then.

We can have some of their good habits here

maybe that will help ms towns

Oh dear lawdy are you gonna be Mulch 2.0

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm not leaving it for

later

because of

reasons

i'm not being mysterious or enigmatic for the point of looking 'cool' either

fence-sittery is fence sitting
'everybody gets a townread!'
you're still doing it right now. you're doing a lot of conflict resolution, and you're trying to keep everything calm.

it could be a scum mindset, but i don't really know because i currently have no real understanding of toranaga
that's why i didn't give it too much effort
cuz it's not actually that relevant yet, which you so kindly pointed out

good. townreading 3 people from the get go is taking a stance on the game and the opposite of fence sitting, which is why I couldn't comprehend what you even meant with it.

I'm not doing any conflict resolution because I'm not townreading two people who are going against each other. I have townread 3 people who went against one poster, who I do not have a townread on, have agreed with one of their posts on a fundamental level but can totally come from scum, and can see why he is being wolfread. that's not trying to resolve conflict or keep anything calm.

in other news, I'm townreading this, as unfitting as it is as a stance to have on my posting so far.

huh? why are you townreading it, I don't see the thread of logic?

I immediately regretted that post, but the reason was I thought human looked genuine like he believed the things he was saying, even though it was blatantly wrong.

yeah fair

[Gamma Emerald]

Good thing this isnt MU then.

We can have some of their good habits here

maybe that will help ms towns

Oh dear lawdy are you gonna be Mulch 2.0

Mulch is Amrock?

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

I play more relaxed as town than scum, so why wouldn't others?

But, if you guys disagree I can't say that I think it's my best reasoning ever for a read. It's a tone read, and no one follows me on those anyway.

And the Great Gatsby is boring, unlike Watership Down, the best book ever.

Great Gatsby is a meh book but pretty fun to analyze

[Gamma Emerald]

should we claim who we voted for?
also thoughts on the fact D1 elected person probably has reasonably high scum equity?

like I talked myself out of it because surely that'd be too obvious but unless she got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 it's a question



ftr I voted Nancy Drew 39

I'm not sure if the leader has reasonably high scum equity because that suggests all scum voted as a pack for a scum team mate, which may not be true for associative reasons once everyone declares who they voted for.

My crackpot theory is that they possibly split votes

I would not pack vote a leader if I was a wolf.

it's hard to tell at what level the wolves are at so I'd rather not be too concerned with this. FA is likely town by her posts, yes?

Agreed with all.

All what?

[Gamma Emerald]

I play more relaxed as town than scum, so why wouldn't others?

But, if you guys disagree I can't say that I think it's my best reasoning ever for a read. It's a tone read, and no one follows me on those anyway.

And the Great Gatsby is boring, unlike Watership Down, the best book ever.

Go read The Right Stuff. It’s even more boring!

Isn't that about the American space program or am I thinking of the wrong thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.

That was me Mr. "Sakura's not contributing anything".
And no im not gonna elaborate as of right now, I dont plan on putting much effort atm.

That was your only contribution of value to date! And yeah, elaboration is actually bad at this moment, but in general it's information that should be shared in the event of FA!scum.

Why only FA!scum?

Because Cerb!scum isn't possible? Neglecting to include that possibility, which only exists for people who aren't me, WAS a very deliberate decision to see who noticed, so thanks! <3

Thoughts on 1-9's alignment based on this?

[Gamma Emerald]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

what do you mean secret the prs? you mean my team? I'm not gonna announce who I'm gonna choose today. tomorrow I will out all players though

I don't get the last sentence and how is this related to my post though

This feels smart at first glance (no way to screw this up since you're completely kill-immune) but what advantages are there really to this?

[Gamma Emerald]

WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS VIVE LA FRANCE

lolol congrats

france is the scariest team of this WC. perfect game today.

WC is what? And yeah this game looks like it's gonna be fun.

[Gamma Emerald]

OH I JUST REALIZED WHAT THAT MEANS AFTER POSTING THAT I'M AN IDIOT
WC = WORLD CUP
PEdit: I'm fine HS, dw bout me

[Gamma Emerald]

Coordination does not have to mean pile votes.

Coordination could also be spread votes out.

This is true
Look at The Thing Mafia for counter-intuitive coordination (Andrius and MOI both picking the same number to distance)

[Gamma Emerald]

FA, check #205 by titus. I find the flat out assumption that scum coordinated their votes to you strange. also her entire ISO is just these mechanical talking points that aren't solid towny thoughts.

Hi. I don't think we've met. I'm the queen of votes and mechanics. I detest d1 because there is little of either. D1 is people trying to puff up themselves.

Oh we finally get the reasoning for this
thank fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm pretty sure purely random out of

5/22

is almost guaranteed to wind up with a scum. Purely random with a smaller number of people selected *might* be optimal, but really, I think that's a silly line to take.

huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

Everything private

hi
I'M AT V3 NOW

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm pretty sure purely random out of

5/22

is almost guaranteed to wind up with a scum. Purely random with a smaller number of people selected *might* be optimal, but really, I think that's a silly line to take.

huh?

23 total....FA is one of them, so 22 remaining...she picks *5* OTHER players...so 5/22 can be selected at most.

Okay I must have missed some context then, for some reason I thought you were talking about alignment ditribution

[Gamma Emerald]

I will renominate kokichi for leader tomorrow.

I want Cerb! *arm wrestles hebi*

I will renom Kokichi unless I deem it inappropriate

[Gamma Emerald]

Sando thank you so much for rolling town with me

How are you so sure of this already

[Gamma Emerald]

Just a follow up on this one, don't commit to this today, wait for tomorrow to say whether you've done this or not to see how many kills come out. Worst case scum fake you out by not using their 2nd (3rd, 4th, shit they might all have one!!!!) kills to kill you N2 through your BP, which is still a town-win.

2 questions.
1: Why are you thinking scum would ever have multiple factional kills as a standard thing?
2: Why do you seem to believe there's 5 scum (you jump from 4 to all)?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353

Shading, neat. Why don't you have more relevant commentary?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am the Ultimate Supreme Leader though.

Yes you are!

[Gamma Emerald]

2. This game is comprised of an 18 player Aspiring Hero Faction and a 5 player Aspiring Villain faction.

@Gamma

okay

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: alisae
Being serious here, uhh I townread Sando so far, and FA, I think.

1-9 seems fine. As does Cerb.


I need more kokichi content to determine his alignment.

Um I don't think Alisae's in the game...

[Gamma Emerald]

I will now only be accepting further inquiries through PM.

Thank you for your understanding.

BOOOO.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

VOTE: Katsuki
This is both impossible/a lie and a scum-motivated post

[Gamma Emerald]

wait are those usernames of people who play on Mafia scum?!

Technically one is...? Democracy was a mega hydra that was in a game I played

[Gamma Emerald]

dont worry, cupcake

regardless of who it is, ill help you find and murder sprinkled delight and his or her companions for giving you thst damnable post restriction

how truly evil of them

Hi
I don't mind you deciding to believe Katsuki has a post restriction for real despite it being pretty mechanically wierd
but I do mind you doling out a townread for it. Why do you think that increases their town equity?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok lets discuss this

You're voting katsuki cause you think their vote on you was scummy

You think their claim is legit and that they wouldn't lie about that

These two things can coexist I'm just intrested to know how are they sitting together in your mind? what is your current read on katsuki and how are you elaborating it?

...or this can be a thing
Muffins care to explain why you're trusting the person your vote is on?

[Gamma Emerald]

huh? i didnt say his vote was scummy and i think hes town for that post restriction post

cupcake is never a bad vote though

Do you have any actual scumreads?

[Gamma Emerald]

Or you can read the signup thread.

I am a Villian so I am not allowed to in.
But I am allowed to spectate.

hi please contribute
what are your town/scumreads

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you have any actual scumreads?

yeah

Can you say who they are? Also explain what the fuck your whole deal with Cupcake is because it's kinda sketchy

[Gamma Emerald]

I will renominate kokichi for leader tomorrow.

I want Cerb! *arm wrestles hebi*

I will renom Kokichi unless I deem it inappropriate

I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

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95% sure you are lying as everyone started vanilla, and I find it doubtful has a post restriction pre-game ability. Besides, if they did, why would the use it on you if all people?

Why would anyone make something like this up?

Because it excuses a lack of readable content?

[Gamma Emerald]

can you write one sentence for each

Can? Sure.
Will I? Nah.

Don't feel interested enough to defend any TR or SR yet, much rather see if anyone notices what im noticing.

Kinda feels like a cop-out to me, like you can just let someone give a reason and say "oh hey I noticed the same thing woohoo!"

[Gamma Emerald]

can you write one sentence for each

Can? Sure.
Will I? Nah.

Don't feel interested enough to defend any TR or SR yet, much rather see if anyone notices what im noticing.

oh yeah I forgot about that late-game only elaboration policy

MEH if it's a playstyle thing I'll give it a pass but I'm not happy about it

[Gamma Emerald]

can you write one sentence for each

Can? Sure.
Will I? Nah.

Don't feel interested enough to defend any TR or SR yet, much rather see if anyone notices what im noticing.

oh yeah I forgot about that late-game only elaboration policy

MEH if it's a playstyle thing I'll give it a pass but I'm not happy about it

why would you give it a pass if you're not happy about it? do you think it's wolfy, even if it's a playstyle thing?

I think it's a wolfy mindset but since it seems to be a playstyle thing I'm willing to forgive, as long as it doesn't remain a problem

[Gamma Emerald]

I will renominate kokichi for leader tomorrow.

I want Cerb! *arm wrestles hebi*

I will renom Kokichi unless I deem it inappropriate

I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

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95% sure you are lying as everyone started vanilla, and I find it doubtful has a post restriction pre-game ability. Besides, if they did, why would the use it on you if all people?

Why would anyone make something like this up?

Because it excuses a lack of readable content?

Oh sorrry, I missed this. I see your point. What do you make of Muffin defending it then?

I think it weird that despite voting there he seems to be calling it town? Not sure if him being so erratic is scummy though.

seems reasonable, in my opinion

What does?

[Gamma Emerald]

should we claim who we voted for?
also thoughts on the fact D1 elected person probably has reasonably high scum equity?

like I talked myself out of it because surely that'd be too obvious but unless she got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 it's a question



ftr I voted Nancy Drew 39

I'm not sure if the leader has reasonably high scum equity because that suggests all scum voted as a pack for a scum team mate, which may not be true for associative reasons once everyone declares who they voted for.

My crackpot theory is that they possibly split votes

I would not pack vote a leader if I was a wolf.

it's hard to tell at what level the wolves are at so I'd rather not be too concerned with this. FA is likely town by her posts, yes?

Agreed with all.

All what?

Hi I still want this answered

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, Cerb I did not move the goalposts.

A good Cerb knows nightless isn't a setup town wins. A good Cerb realizes that his claim gives no invests. You're acting in your walls as if one did not exist. Mentioning something is not intellectual vigor.

It's just odd. A good Cerb knows there are serious flaws logically with you.

How is nightless not a setup town wins?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I literally cannot whiteknight Sakura from your comments UFO if they are not shading her. It's definitional.

Can people who've already expressed scumreads on Titus elaborate why? I've got my own suspicions and and to see if anyone agrees.

[Gamma Emerald]

you gave reads, just didn't expand when asked.

That is correct.

if you can go down from your millennial podium for a second to explain this one I'd appreciate it.

I'd appreciate it if you didnt talk about it in that way, I never said I was better than anyone, nor that my reads should be listened to without explanation, im just relaxing and being lazy.

These posts shade Sakura fwiw. You imply she's millenial and thus lesser.

VOTE: titus

I'm doing this.

calling someone a millennial being on the same footing with shading them has to be the most nonsense thing I was ever accused with, which reminds me of when I posted a voldemort gif and you said I was claiming scum in assassins' creed.

this is what you do as scum. you throw any logic out the window to push whatever you want pushed. you'd be more reasonable as town.

Idk about that millenial logic, if you were'nt shading what were you doing?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: randomidget

isn't doing anything and posts are awful

wait what why the vote change out of the blue

[Gamma Emerald]

why does it matter?

Um you're contradicting yourself? If we're not allowed to push you on a plain as day contradiction what the fuck can we push you on?

[Gamma Emerald]

do you have any thoughts on titus, 123456789, human sequencer or gamma emerald?

Why this set of people?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Katsuki if I'm not already

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Katsuki if I'm not already

why?

also I see you poking at things of little substance and not adding much to them. IDK if that's how you play as a wolf but I'm expecting more townyness from you gamma.

She's not even posting content within the restriction, despite showing she definitely can. Even with a very crippling restriction, I've seen others make do.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, I am never lynching Sando D1. His avatar is too precious.

We should never lynch sando anyhow.

A guy who has an avatar referencing my most adorable cult game and one of my favorite hydras just can't be lynched today lol. Too bad I couldn't actually keep up and felt bad for making ppl lose.

tutti frutti bless

oh a fellow Ghost fan huh

[Gamma Emerald]

Can people who've already expressed scumreads on Titus elaborate why? I've got my own suspicions and and to see if anyone agrees.

like you can just let someone give a reason and say "oh hey I noticed the same thing woohoo!"

Don't mind me i found that kinda funny xD

the hypocrite!

I have expressed many thoughts on titus, and it's probably the player I interacted with and discussed the most. not sure I need to make a tl;dr for you @gamma, but if you want me to I can.

So my thought process is that she's definitely seemed wacky in her logic but it's felt forced. I've noted that people have said Titus' meta trend is "if her moon logic seems natural she's town, if it feels manufactured she's scum". I'm definitely getting a feeling if the latter here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, Cerb I did not move the goalposts.

A good Cerb knows nightless isn't a setup town wins. A good Cerb realizes that his claim gives no invests. You're acting in your walls as if one did not exist. Mentioning something is not intellectual vigor.

It's just odd. A good Cerb knows there are serious flaws logically with you.

How is nightless not a setup town wins?

town struggles in 2 v 9 or 11, 5 v 18? Ok...sure.

You are aware nightless has the plus of if someone is irrefutably town scum can't eliminate them right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you have any actual scumreads?

yeah

Can you say who they are? Also explain what the fuck your whole deal with Cupcake is because it's kinda sketchy

clueless gamma is town gamma
not just from this post either

Explain how I'm being "clueless"
this feels like a way to shade my POV

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

VOTE: Katsuki
This is both impossible/a lie and a scum-motivated post

How exactly is it scum-motivated? Or rather, why are you jumping the gun here?

Yeah, I’m thinking what Katsuki is claiming does seem farfetched but it seems like a strange thing to make up. Perhaps, he can squeeze some game-related content into his posts, so we can be better able to sort him?

Although Katsuki isn’t beyond making fake claims as either alignment. I’ve probably only been in a handful of games where I can confidently determine a scum motivtion - straight off the bat.

responding to this rather than the intial post because it let's me get out a bit more of my logic here: maybe it was jumping the gun then but Katsuki hasn't delivered content since and I know it's possible to deliver content even by just posting pictures, as Alisae has demonstrated in the past. So yeah, it's scum motivated because it excuses a lack of content, which is definitely the case.

[Gamma Emerald]

So my current TRs are FA, duckling and Sakura (who doesn't pick a mechanical fight with me as scum imo). I normally build a "Town list", a "not to be lynched today list", a "yeah ok you can lynch them list" and a "scum list". That said, are we coordinating the next leader openly? Cause while I think we should obviously go for as townie as possible in our leader list, there's some townies that I don't feel completely comfortable picking as leader (although still better choices than anyone not in townie list).

How exactly is it scum-motivated? Or rather, why are you jumping the gun here?

Scum have daychat correct? Otherwise I'd say as a means of coded messages.

That is NOT something I considered in the slightest. Does anyone know if these sort of strange conclusions are AI for Sando?

[Gamma Emerald]

lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

Yeah I'm sorry I won't ask for explanations all the time but a Katsuki townread really does need a logical reason, given the whole ISO is devoid of stuff to townread imho

[Gamma Emerald]

@Sakura
How about the fact that for some reason because of it people are defending her? Like yeah it calls attention, but it's calling good attention from most people.

[Gamma Emerald]

lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

Yeah I'm sorry I won't ask for explanations all the time but a Katsuki townread really does need a logical reason, given the whole ISO is devoid of stuff to townread imho

I'll explain it if you tell me what is Katsuki's master scum plan by putting himself in a spotlight without providing content that make ppl scumread him, on purpose.

I like your read

now look how long it took for you to write a sentence, and the way you did it. it's not very helpful. I wasn't thinking of katsuki much in terms of intent, nor do I think she is necessarily wolfy, just that nothing she is doing is AI either way and it's entirely on purpose, so we're better off having this player flipped.

you saying it is AI and it is villagery cause she'd try a more pro-wolf approach as a wolf is interesting and I think it might be right.

I guess it's possible, but I just don't like how everyone is defending it and Katsuki has regressed to even less content than when she started having the restriction.

[Gamma Emerald]

A term people use a lot is the term "Anti-town" to define people that play against town's win condition. Well I think the way Katsuki is playing is anti-scum, it may be of no help to town, but is even less helpful for scum, not pushing an agenda and potentially being scumread and lynched for it, the only scum motivation it could have is not providing content, and that's actually NAI for katsuki (scum citation needed, but he does it as town), the way he purposefully fake claimed a post restriction makes it lean more towards town side, coz that draws more attention than is needed, not helping scum at all.

Even if you take out the anti-scum option, Kats lack of content D1 is something NAI.

Hope that clears things up.

plus at least songs give me something to listen to, much better than hangman

ok fine, but I do have one thing I want to ask Katsuki...

This is just for today right? Since this is a yes or no question I'm certain you can answer within your restriction.

[Gamma Emerald]

My next move tomorrow is to compare the zmuffin man wagon to FA voters

Tomorrow irl?

[Gamma Emerald]

I volunteer as tribute.

you should not be leader because you're not towny

neither is katsuki

I think sando or cerberus should get it

That is objective

I think you mean subjective?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo, Gamma Gamma is town.

Now I'm off to see Ant Man and the Wasp. Relevant to the game because superheroes

Scum.

How?

[Gamma Emerald]

in nintendo switch mash, after I died n2 I became responsible for "switching" all the colours at night. there was red/blue, yellow/brown, black/white, etc. players actions would perform different abilities depending on what colour I chose at night. E.G. a role that, if white, peeks it's target and, if black, kills it.

I believe alisae has the power to either choose from a row of mod determined abilities every gameday, or craft their own in a way that can help scum. it's different from what I did in nintendo, but similar in the sense that both me and alisae need to achieve a wincon through manipulating the mechanics, without being "alive" in the sense of posting in thread etc.

Interesting theory, but why does Alisae pick a bulletproof option for scum? There isn't a vig currently, so scum don't need a bulletproof vest.

Two options imo. One: there was also a vig option (I get you mentioned that but the other four are randomized in that case right? A vig could have been randed). Two: factional strongman.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo, I'm not reading two pages of posts from one person, good luck to my replacement.

omfg pls don't brass

In post 114, Chickadee wrote:
In post 54, Human Sequencer wrote:
i voted muffinman cuz he was doing a good job of leading town last game till somebody killed him

In post 42, Chickadee wrote:
While we don't know wether or not scum got to talk pregame during voting, your post here reads like you know they didn't.

err, how?

VOTE: toranaga


In post 39, zMuffinMan wrote:
pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

If they have pre-game chat, they would have coordinated. Do you disagree? This comment seems to disagree with that sentiment.

this is a bit of a headass post. Why could they not have collectively decided not to pile on one person and vote randomly to some degree?

responding to your predecessor, uhhh what?

[Gamma Emerald]

and yet nightless games have been held where town lose.

This is true but Titus is going Scorched Earth, saying "town never wins nightless", unless I'm reading that wrong SOMEHOW.

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tfw when you speculate so hard the mod is done with your shit

@nosferatu

first off why the fuck are you taking such extreme measures to say how much you townread cerb
"i love you're pushing her for this"
"this is such a town thought process"
"i was townreading you already but wow"
immediately followed by
"i dont think she's scum for this"
either you dickride him or he's wrong
actually fucking pick one

things can be towny without being right.

I have nothing to say about your other comments other than I think it comes from town a lot.

I find the way you went about expressing the thought to be more significant than the thought itself.

I do know people expect you to be lurky and useless

dread it. run from it. destiny still arrives.

Elaborate. I want to see you stoke someone's ego.

Well, I've never played a scum game where Sakura didn't scumread me by my 3rd post
I still remember a blitz game where titus caught me in exactly 17 posts
Gamma's not that bad at reading
FA hasn't played with me in a while but she can read me pretty well
And if you started wallposting at me I'd probably just lie down and take it cause defending myself would be a bother.
and ank just arrived.

Yeah I definitely think you're town for the time being fyi

I'm stealing Nos' format

who stole it from ranger!

so many people use ranger's method
It's a style for a reason: it works at getting the message across

This isn't the most compelling thing about Nancy that I noticed, but this is independently telling:

Look at the posts of her 77-posts ISO.

The posts that

indicate anything of another players alignment

are: #5, maybe #10?, #25, somewhat #34, somewhat #36, vaguely #37, #52 (+53/54), #60, #63, #66, #68

That's the first step to get to the parts that I believe are scumclaims, anyways.

What does the colored text mean?

[Gamma Emerald]

sakura can you unpack this for me

what's your thought process behind this statement

Eh do i really have to?

ok fine

There's ultimately 2 possibilities, either the current leader is town, or the current leader is scum, a scum leader will obviously guarantee at least him/herself a PR, possibly to counter potential superpowers the town may come with, like the redirection or the BP. A town leader wont have perfect reads, and there's a high chance they give at least 1 scum a superpower, for the same reason, this will cause most PRs to be easily be thwarted by scum, and then it's harder to trust anything that comes from it, as such not relying on PRs seems the most sensible option.

Actually I'd expect them to pick a well-entrenched scum to get a power. It could be themselves but not necessarily.

I also feel like kokichi is being a bit disappointing.

I'm used to him not posting content, but he's normally a lot more funny about it.

I feel like he's acting off enough that I sadly consider him a little under null.

Sando is town, but way too concerned about certain things... Nos is prob town? Dunno.

Uhhh Shiro is another slot I don't expect too much out of, but I feel pretty good bout him so far.

Titus is giving me feels. Bad feels, maybe.

I think I agree with what hebi is saying here? Like these feel kinda unconfident all throughout.

NicoRobin*
randomidget
Kokichi Oma
hebichan
Katsuki
Sakura Hana
123456789
Myloninja13*
Titus
Drixx

my list of lynchables
i recommend others start writing similar lists

meh
VOTE: Titus
Katsuki isn't gaining any votes and this is also something I feel is a good lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

It's not what he said that's pinging me, its how he said it, as if he's justifying everything he's saying a few times over.

If he typed it like you did, I wouldn't have a huge issue with it.

Yeah I thought it was pretty much a mouthful
Honestly I feel like I got a bit off track there, I was trying to make it simple in that post
I won't hold suspecting that post against you but I feel that's a bit of an overreaction.

[Gamma Emerald]

5 more pages?! Gah!

Look who's talking.

lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

Yeah I'm sorry I won't ask for explanations all the time but a Katsuki townread really does need a logical reason, given the whole ISO is devoid of stuff to townread imho

Sakura didn’t say they townread Katsuki?

I'm sorry did I forget proper english? doesn't "not scum" = "town"?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh. I took Titus' post as being more concerned with the scum team selecting someone who *isn't* on their team.

Maybe, my 4 was merely an indicator that that's the max scum-votes they can put on scum, and it's how many FA seems to have gotten.

But assuming scum coordinated (I assume they coordinated in some degree) they:
Conspired to ensure their votes were split
Conspired to elect someone they wanted to elect

If they conspired to split their votes then I don't see us getting any out of it today, so I'm assuming Titus is looking at conspiring to elect someone (town or scum). If they conspired to elect, they either put 1-2 people on a popular person, figuring that'd push them over the edge, or they piled on figuring they could lie about it today.

If they're lying (which seems a reasonable bet if you think they conspired to get FA elected, regardless of her alignment) then the biggest tell for that is going to be when they declared. Doubt they wanted us to KNOW they were lying, so they likely wanted FA to appear as having the most votes, without giving away everyone that voted her. So they needed to know 2nd places number of votes and the number of town votes on FA before knowing how much they needed to prop it up.

Basically, of the people that declared for FA, the most likely ones to be scum are the late declarers.

Titus has started the speculation but not actually dug into it, which I don't like.

I think Sando can be town

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really, I think katsuki is lying.

do you think that's AI for katsuki? to lie, I mean.

btw just an update: I am throwing around the idea Katsuki might be town and just trolling, but if she hasn't answered my yes or no question I'll be a lot less trusting of her, as that means she's not even going to try to work within the restriction to communicate with me.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay I actually remembered Katsuki was in TM so I meta'ed her there and she played similar
problem is while pepes are somewhat interpretable, I'm not going to spend my time trying to decode the meaning of anime theme songs, so Katsuki as soon as possible pls explain what your posts mean, and if anyone else can figure them out pls tell me

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey ank, lets talk.

Nancy
Numbers

Gamma

Titus

This is my lynch pool, probably not going outside of it.

Explain the groupings?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: shiro

something shiro did bugged me in our last interaction. I wanna sheep titus as well.

and yes I went from wanting her dead to sheeping her. you mafiascummers just gonna have to deal with it.

why shiro? I think she's been alright for the time being

[Gamma Emerald]

"plus look how paranoid it made some people".

there are layers of wolf logic to this. I can't english enough to explain, it's really slimy posting though.

Could you try pls? I feel like I'm on the cusp of understanding this but not there yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

alright what about that time you talked down to an entire generation

alternatively the entire website you're currently posting on

does that count

this doesn't feel like town, town wouldn't get side tracked on these ego semantics imo

[Gamma Emerald]

the paragraphs shiro added to it, the fact that he even added them and felt the need to say them, and the way he phrased it all point at him being scum.

"
They already have a chance of getting powers without having to worry about being found out, plus look how paranoid it made some people. By doing nothing other than acting naturally they only win.
Thing is by voting on likeness they also raise their chance of being picked because if someone likes you more your chances of being picked are better imo
Sooo "

first sentence makes no sense as a legitimate thought cause a) scum needs to be picked first, b) FA will probably out who she picked next gameday, so whatever it's claimed as a PR is gonna have to remain consistent throughout the game. saying some people got "paranoid" is scum reading into how town is reacting and not town who doesn't fucking know what's up to tell. "by doing nothing other than acting naturally they only win" is a tv movie villain explaining his masterplan.

I don't even know what to make of the second paragraph. now if you acted slimy like that while saying scum probably tried to be natural with their votes, I'd also wolfread you.

the mindfulness of how the second thing would probably always be wolfread no matter the presentation feels towny

[Gamma Emerald]

my thoughts re: lynching anyone but numbers dude today

Spoiler:

I mean I defnitely wouldn't mind it, dude has felt rebellious, but not in that "fuk da polees" towny way, more of a "I'm a terrible person watcha gonna do bout it" way

[Gamma Emerald]

why do people keep going "FA still needs to choose a team"
more than likely she's done it already so stop stalling and do something guys

[Gamma Emerald]

5 more pages?! Gah!

Look who's talking.

lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

Yeah I'm sorry I won't ask for explanations all the time but a Katsuki townread really does need a logical reason, given the whole ISO is devoid of stuff to townread imho

Sakura didn’t say they townread Katsuki?

I'm sorry did I forget proper english? doesn't "not scum" = "town"?

No, “not scum” does not mean “town”; it means “not scum”. But I realized I made that same mistake when I read it the first time, so I can’t fault you for it.

This game is confirmed town and mafia. So unless you want to tell me the moderator lied, you're going to have to do a lot of work to justify someone calling someone not scum not equaling calling someone town. Plus I've had other back up my POV, while no one has backed up yours. Is that enough reasoning to cut through your foolishness?

[Gamma Emerald]

5 more pages?! Gah!

Look who's talking.

lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

Yeah I'm sorry I won't ask for explanations all the time but a Katsuki townread really does need a logical reason, given the whole ISO is devoid of stuff to townread imho

Sakura didn’t say they townread Katsuki?

I'm sorry did I forget proper english? doesn't "not scum" = "town"?

No, “not scum” does not mean “town”; it means “not scum”. But I realized I made that same mistake when I read it the first time, so I can’t fault you for it.

This game is confirmed town and mafia. So unless you want to tell me the moderator lied, you're going to have to do a lot of work to justify someone calling someone not scum not equaling calling someone town. Plus I've had other back up my POV, while no one has backed up yours. Is that enough reasoning to cut through your foolishness?

"Not Scum" can mean a nullish read or a townread.

Whilst I concede yes it can be "nullish", I've had it backed up as meaning town by others. Please engage that part of my argument, otherwise you'll never convince me you are fully right.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: nancy

last few pages have been pretty self indulgend on ank's part.


Not dealing with that atm.

someone tell me what is actually scummy about Nancy
I recall her catching some flak in Varsoon's Variety Hour for reasons I can't recall

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm do I?

Given all you've said in most of your posts is "Anka is scum" yeah I'd like to see some proof too

[Gamma Emerald]

Those three quotes should say everything.

I saw you scumread me, so I reaction tested you. Your reaction was scum.

*looks up*
*looks down*
*looks up*
*looks down*

uh..........wat

I think I have spotted the misunderstanding!
The worst read is essentially "ank hasn't towned up yet therefore he's probscum". He just expressed it VERY weirdly.

[Gamma Emerald]

havne't really thought about townreads to much
spitball townreads are sando, tora, hebichan, and Cerb

[Gamma Emerald]

Please, everyone...

Put those requested townreads in order.

That helps us figure out which to choose. Just having them is good, but being able to do a ranked voting type thing is even better.

@FA: Ya, true, it's 100% NAI for me, especially since you were part of getting me into this game...really, voting for any of you, Chickadee, or TW would have been easily defensible, as would voting for Titus, on almost the exact same grounds.

spitball is okay right

pls don't hurt me

[Gamma Emerald]

page 40:

FA hasn't played with me in a while but she can read me pretty well

That druid game mate. That is one of my favorite/ most memorable games ever xd

Sakura, Titus, Gamma, FA, Ank: Read on this slot please and thank you.

If you decide he's scum, I'll word him to death.

Yeah I remember about 0% msers metas

I have a gold fish memory and was out of here for a year.

I think they did work, it's fakable as scum but they did it. need more data to judge them better.

Oh yeah I guess Nos can be my fifth, forgot about him being in the game

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess if i sheep muffin's opinion i'd put cerb there, i still have my reservations tho. Cerb's gistou play led me to believe he's not to be underestimated.

I don't think you were in gistou, at least not under this nick. If there's an alt that's outed going on here, I would appreciate being made aware of it...or at least have you confirm that you 100% were in Gistou and are thus familiar enough with two day phases of my scumplay in a game where I was apparently town enough as scum that the other scum team shot me cuz I was obvtown.

Luna Fox

holy wtf I had no idea
that's cool
do you make a distinction between your two accounts meta-wise? Because I do have experience with your other account and want to know if that's not valid.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I were to actually put them in order they'd probably be
1) Tora
2) hebi
3) Nos
4) sando/cerb

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess if i sheep muffin's opinion i'd put cerb there, i still have my reservations tho. Cerb's gistou play led me to believe he's not to be underestimated.

I don't think you were in gistou, at least not under this nick. If there's an alt that's outed going on here, I would appreciate being made aware of it...or at least have you confirm that you 100% were in Gistou and are thus familiar enough with two day phases of my scumplay in a game where I was apparently town enough as scum that the other scum team shot me cuz I was obvtown.

Luna Fox

holy wtf I had no idea
that's cool
do you make a distinction between your two accounts meta-wise? Because I do have experience with your other account and want to know if that's not valid.

Main difference is that as Luna i did more townhunting than scumhunting, i tried to implement that into my main when i stopped using that account, so maybe? it's been a while since i last used that account.

Mhm okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Plus i guess since this is an experiment i've been doing this game it's probably irrelevant, last game i was driven to tears because i hard pushed someone and i... dont really want a repeat of that ever, i mean i almost just flat out quit, but figured this option was better.

Uh how were you driven to tears by pushing someone else? If it's to hard for you I won't push you, but in that case I'd like someone familiar with the incident to bring me up to speed.

[Gamma Emerald]

why is nobody talking to meeeeeee
btw now how is toranaga scum

I kinda think ur scum is why
PEdit: I want to know what happened so I can maybe give play advice to Sakura.

[Gamma Emerald]

Uh how were you driven to tears by pushing someone else? If it's to hard for you I won't push you, but in that case I'd like someone familiar with the incident to bring me up to speed.

Basically i pushed someone, and then i got pushed instead. Had literally everyone including my friends pushing me, and everytime i or someone tried to defend myself someone would bring up "but she does that as scum too!", and i basically only got out when i claimed a PR.
Also I had a talk that game with Katsuki where he explained to me that he just does nothing D1 so he can avoid all the BS and stuff going back and forth, and i thought it was a good idea, so that's what i was... going to do this game, but ended up not doing it anyway.

Ah thanks, that actually helps me with both understanding you AND katsuki.
Now I feel even less good about how HS is acting, as she just obstructed the clarification of something that has been bugging me most of the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

when gamma graduated from shinobi academy he chose the ultimate art of never being scumread by anybody with half a braincell but it came with the great cost of being unable to scumhunt effectively
nancy is his next disciple

That's me, Ultimate Village Idi-wait a second that's mean!

Spoiler:

[Gamma Emerald]

I think titus was trying all day to shade me without doing it - make sure scums are likely getting one ability out of night by randomizing it and to make me less accountable for the picks. This is not just moonlogic this is her lieing about what I clrealy said in thread and mixing stuff to make her point look better.

I am so glad someone else finally saw how scummy all that shit was

oh are we lynching Titus now
VOTE: Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus (5): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Oh I thought I voted numbers lol

[Gamma Emerald]

TWTBAW

top 10 horrible fucking acronyms

Nancy is a MU player, be nice

[Gamma Emerald]

@muffin: When i was going through your reads list I saw you had a question about Titus. Now my last experience with scum Titus was a game a long time ago called Street Fighter Mafia (played as Luna Fox on that one from the middle of D2), up until THAT game most people were very confident that Titus never buses, however in that game Titus bused a partner on D2, she ended up going down that game and the player she bused (Varsoon), didnt get lynched until later and I was almost certain he was town just coz of Titus flipping scum.

The circumstances may have been different however you can check it out here

Not sure what this has to do with bussing but I’d totally lynch her for all of the terribad memes.

btw yeah the "Titus never buses" meta is kinda a lie
I have a couple more modern examples of how it's wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

would you rather they waste space by writeing the whole thing?

[Gamma Emerald]

I do scumread numbers and thought I was voting him at the time, but I also thought there was momentum for Titus and that's a lynch I want more

[Gamma Emerald]

I FORGOT TO VOTE FOR LEADER
BUT WHO PICKED TITUS

[Gamma Emerald]

By the way

Just by the fact that Titus is the leader and Power Negation is on the table, the superhero teammates should absolutely not be claimed today.

Agreed. And if Frozen dies that's pretty suss imo.
btw though I'm agreeing with this, you've got a bit of explaining to do for the end of the last day Ank.

[Gamma Emerald]

either titus is being voted to become the leader as a way for framing her or she is really scum and is open wolfing/double bluffing us by choosing herself as leader.

Yeah well here's the thing
If Titus is a wolf we can't do shit about it rn
So imo we should probably let things evolve and if anything transpires in the night that is not right we can probably ax her tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

Pardon but it's day two
Contribute or die

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really feel like playing this anymore

Replace out

Wait what
I recall some sort of meta wrt Yume replace outs meaning something but I forget the exact rule

[Gamma Emerald]

I voted Titus for the same reason I voted Katsuki

so checking what the original reasoning is I think this is passable (not that good, but not something I want to kill on sight)

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did people vote for someone that blatantly lied is beyond me tho.

also if you're not talking about Katsuki who is this about?

[Gamma Emerald]

alright well somebody should get a lifeline on cerb and figure out who he voted if that's possible at this point

The only possibility for a medium was 123456789 last night. Not exactly a good use of the ability.

They can be mediumed tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

Mylo I have a guilty on you, thoughts?

That's... not really possible lol.

first thought is this is a town reaction
but I might have something I want to check to back it up
were you in open 717 mylo?

[Gamma Emerald]

Real quick since its still early in the game if anyone can clarify this, i just don't wanna fuck up

"5. Do not use any form of provable randomness."

What is "provable randomness" mean, like making a post that means nothing? posting off topic to the game?

@The Worst: Not gonna lie, 75 pages is quite a bit for now being on day 2. I'm still trying to make sure I got the rules right before I start reading.
@Smugleaf: oh good, lol thankyou

omg pls
provable randomness means dicerolling to pick a lylo vote etc
also lol u used smugleaf

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd be surprised by {Nico, Titus} as well. fwiw it pinged me that she actually requested replacement--in my experience with Nico she's more likely to keep trying to get re-engaged with the game until she's actually forced replaced. so that kinda felt a little maybe-encouraged to me.

but also I'm not really in the mood to vote there.

um you are aware that's Yume right
Yume has a BAD habit of flaking from games, like I don't want to list them because there's a ton.

[Gamma Emerald]

No. I was probably made leader because town wanted it. I was right yesterday in that scum wanted FA. So why wouldn't town vote for me? Let's all claim our votes to see this. If it shows I should not have been the leader, I'll eat my words. We can then put FA or majority target today as the vote leaders. If I was duly elected as the leader, we can sort the players claiming to vote me and see if any might be scum voting.

I voted for Ank btw.

Why do you believe town wanted you at all? You were suspected by several people earlier. Yes, one scum wanted FA. firstly that doesn't mean you were town's counter pick because leader can't be held consecutively, secondly that doesn't prove that scum worked to make her leader, we still don't know anything about that until we get a majority of flips of those who voted for her. And wtf are you spouting on about with "should or should not have been the leader"? Is that a judgement of how well you can do the job? It's simple: don't give scum power, and you do fine. Plus we can't fucking tell that until later.

[Gamma Emerald]

(oh, and if you ever want to push ankamius youre going to have to explain why brass sees his scum buddy spamming and gets so fed up he replaces out, which alone is enough to say they weren't scum together but there were a lot more interactions than just that)

Who says the spam caused the replace out
I'm familiar with him doing weird replaces, he left me high and dry once when he replaced out of a hydra with me as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

oh right, titus voted ankamius for leader

now wants to lynch ankamius

yeah, that happened

OH BOY this is pretty damning

[Gamma Emerald]

i missed deadline too, thats why i quoted the first bit of the gamma post at daystart

lol I thought you were going after me there
might wanna phrase your comment better

[Gamma Emerald]

i want titus to talk about things that fuckin aren't the leadership mechanic

its like her entire input this game

Yeah, well it is the entire game fmpov.

no it's not
there's scumhunting, which has worked alright so far

[Gamma Emerald]

EDIT: RECEIVED A PM THAT TITUS IS SCUM LAST NIGHT BTW SO LYNCH WHENEVER

Ok, a) gambit failed. b) gambit really failed.

Who else is scum?

at least it's a stance leshrug

[Gamma Emerald]

@Sakura, wtf is into you? Are you trying to annoy me now?

But you have a guilty from my mason partner!

Ok, we both know that guilties and masonries are not things. So why are you wasting my time?

I am trying to find a town core with sound and solid judgment to give powers to and everyone woke up and decided to insult me because I had a good d1.

I just don't get this game.

pffft good d1 how
I cannot take anything you say seriously

[Gamma Emerald]

like you're literally lying about every part of my town meta to make your point go across. There are people here who have been playing with me recently and there are players here who played with me a year ago.

Nah, you're just too proud to admit your vulnerability when I tell it straight to your face. Oh well.

Like I got flaws too and you could lay back into me to

ensure I pick town

. We can hash it out. Or you can pretend that my criticisms of you are worthless pointless and everything that happens is a coincidence. I'm ok with either but I prefer being honest with you.

What's the deal with this? Why are you threatening FA to work with you?

[Gamma Emerald]

like you're literally lying about every part of my town meta to make your point go across. There are people here who have been playing with me recently and there are players here who played with me a year ago.

Nah, you're just too proud to admit your vulnerability when I tell it straight to your face. Oh well.

Like I got flaws too and you could lay back into me to ensure I pick town. We can hash it out. Or you can pretend that my criticisms of you are worthless pointless and everything that happens is a coincidence. I'm ok with either but I prefer being honest with you.

I'm just asking you to show me my vulnerability. I really want to work on it if it's real yet you bring an example that has nothing to do with you claimed about me.

I'm trying to. Your vulnerability is you don't scrutinize people being nice to you enough. That's it in a nutshell.

Now, lay into me. What should I watch out for? What's my blind spot?

[Normally, I would do this with Drixx/Cerb but...]

Honestly you need to explain how "claiming doctor" is being nice. Being nice imo is being affable and agreeable.

[Gamma Emerald]

stop spamming the fucking thread with shit nobody cares about thanks

stop fucking quoting massive walls and writing 1 line responses

jesus fucking christ

Oh another comment attempting to demotivate me.

If you hate what I am doing, THEN DO SOMETHING.

No wait, it's easier to pick on me.

Hi guess what
YOU CAN'T BE FUCKING LYNCHED TODAY
But for this bullshit you need even more rope.

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm policy lynching the shit out of titus if i'm alive tomorrow

and i won't be moving my vote either

that's a fucking promise

Hi I'm kinda warming up to you
what are your overall thoughts on katauki rn
and are there any other reads you'd like to share that you haven't yet

[Gamma Emerald]

@Tiiiiiiiiiitus, the cookies are ready.

omg I want to make you live forever, I love Tsum Tsum

[Gamma Emerald]

hebi is most likely town

so is shiro

I believe hebi was in my townbin d1

[Gamma Emerald]

I have no idea how to get into this game lol.

Um read numbers iso, draw some association? that's my best guess

If you work it out lmk Mylo

Get someone to vote you for stupid reasons, works for me.

VOTE: sando

hammer vote sucked o/

Nos seems keen on that sort of thing, see if he'll help you out.

Titus is still talking about mechanics in a particularly bad and self serving manner, so that's D3 lynch sorted.

I'm second last or something in the list for vote-claim yeah?

I'm not sure I see a decent situation where scum manipulate the vote to give it to Titus, is a D3 mislynch really worth giving the choice to town? Only thing it makes me think is FA and Titus are not the same faction, scum don't give townie a second nights power-choice just for the chance of a D3 mislynch. Regardless of how scummy you think Titus is, you can assume she'll act in towns interests overnight if she's town. If FA is scum, maybe they throw it to a townie.

I can see scum voting Cerb and killing him, gives them plausible deniability and leaves the leader vote falling somewhat randomly. Decent plan for scum, but I can't see town voting Titus up, even with Cerb dead, but let's see the vote claims.

I really don't see how Titus gets leader without scum influence (beyond the Cerb kill).

I also think the single kill overnight when BP was an option says those complaining about speculation yesterday should be treated with significant suspicion. Leaving our leader choice open to scum NKs is opening the door to fuckery, but with BP on the table and seemingly confirmed single-kill, it was a good option for us to have declared our vote target(s) last night. Only scum knew that though.

weird sass, idk what to make of it. Only other real note is didn't Sando spec about multiple scum kills earlier? Sando why do you think that's ever a thing?

[Gamma Emerald]

from that point of view zMuff's plan is mechanically sound. I'd say pick 3 people we should split votes between I guess.

Wait the muff of Z came up with a plan?

VOTE: zMuffin

Yeah...dis, dis is gud.

from that point of view zMuff's plan is mechanically sound. I'd say pick 3 people we should split votes between I guess.

Found it, yeah that's a scum plan right thar.

ooo someone else isn't liking zMuffle

VOTE: zMuffin

first off why is that plan bad
second why the heck is Muffins becoming a suspect all of a sudden? Like I don't recall tw saying anything of the sort.
third Sando's tone here seems mildly forced

[Gamma Emerald]

... you've read, what? 11 pages? what do you think about what happened in those pages?

Titus yelled at Frozen Angel for a while?

ah so of d2
pls review some of d1 pls

[Gamma Emerald]

weird sass, idk what to make of it. Only other real note is didn't Sando spec about multiple scum kills earlier? Sando why do you think that's ever a thing?

Number of players, how many mislynches and NKs do we need to lose? Seems like a lot, and I wasn't seeing any other killing roles, but BP was being handed out like candy. I don't play many theme games though, so I'm looking at it through an Open games light.

but opens practically never do that
and the numbers seem fine
5 day perfect town win with lynches only, 5 day perfect scum win one death per day or night phase seems like reasonable speed, plus vigs are possible

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Sando
kinda agreeing with this at the moment

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus: Basically everyone active in the game is telling you to stop with the focus on just one tiny aspect of the game. At the moment it's NAI to me, because town!you would pick at this particular scab (especially with some who are intentionally antagonizing you and keeping you focused on it) and scum!you would gladly take the cover others are providing. You don't really need anyone else to point out where you're hurting yourself and the game state.

Yeah this is a good point btw. Now that I've pretty much taken down most of the "logic" I'll probably avoid engaging Titus' points on that barring direct responses.

[Gamma Emerald]

5 day perfect town win with lynches only, 5 day perfect scum win one death per day or night phase seems like reasonable speed, plus vigs are possible

5 days of mislynches+NKs with 23/5 is 13 with 5, 6 days is 11 with 5 and mylo. So they need 7 mislynches by my count to get the win, assuming no other kills.

sorry

[Gamma Emerald]

are people thinking drixx is scum with numbers?

Do you have a reason not to?

[Gamma Emerald]

muffin is probably scum

but let's lynch him later

VOTE: Katsuki

I don't like how he's going after these after they've been improving imo

[Gamma Emerald]

No. I was probably made leader because town wanted it. I was right yesterday in that scum wanted FA. So why wouldn't town vote for me? Let's all claim our votes to see this. If it shows I should not have been the leader, I'll eat my words. We can then put FA or majority target today as the vote leaders. If I was duly elected as the leader, we can sort the players claiming to vote me and see if any might be scum voting.

I voted for Ank btw.

I kinda wanna vote zmuffin or Ank. I doubt both are scum, since two scum taking the proud "I'm not going to actually do anything but say you are wrong" approach is remote considering I haven't reset my reads yet tiday.

Okay, found it @zMuffinMan .

@Titus , care to explain this? Why did you change your read on Ank from when you voted her for leader to wanting to lynch her?

Day 2 happened. I was hoping Ank would be the strategic soundboard but just started shouting down what should be true and seemed against seeing who was right. She's chilled a bit since but I don't really care to deal with players opposing me for opposing's sake.

Mhm I think this is fair

[Gamma Emerald]

@Titus , please explain to me what the hell happened between Day 1 and day 2. You felt more villagery to me then but ever since the SOD 2, you have been needlessly confrontational and picking fights with people. I also get mad if I think I’m being wrongly scumread but this behaviour is likely going to get you lynched D3.

Oh stop whiteknighting me. Also, don't pretend the people saying they'll oppose me

because I am saying it

are progressing this game. Anyone would have a pissed off stance at

proving FA had a scum on her vote wagon

but being unable to say who, yet a few people stating my election was scum driven....without saying who. I am held to solving the game d1. They don't produce content.

Yet your problem is that I don't smile enough.

Let's call a spade a spade. Some of them are likely trying to piss me off so I am less effective. So rather than gripe about my discomfort, let's hunt scum k? There will always be a double standard for me because I fail to conform. I hit my stride d3. I accept it.

I made that conclusion without any leads because it's the most logical conclusion given my view on the gamestate, and I assume others did too.
While posting this I realize something: Titus very likely never felt truly pressured d1, based off of her thinking she did well.

[Gamma Emerald]

I did a reset with the 123456789 flip.

Nothing Sakura has posted since then felt all that town.

why did numbers require a reset?

[Gamma Emerald]

Unrelated, I mostly reset in general and started looking at macro stuff instead of micro stuff.

Well then can you detail what each method of reading gave you on Sakura? Since the read method could be a part of things.

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus very likely never felt truly pressured d1, based off of her thinking she did well.

In correct, I felt I did well because I caught scum despite the pressure applied. Even if you argue I did not lead the charge (want to remove credit as a soyrce of argument), I judge myself by read accuracy.

Alright. Well that isn't a reasonable cause to you getting picked. If you did well for that others also were responsible for it, so they'd be more likely candidates.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

123456789

: Frozen Angel

Cerberus v666

: Frozen Angel
Shiro: Frozen Angel
Toranaga: Frozen Angel

Drixx:

Cerberus v666

Nancy Drew 39:

Cerberus v666

Randommidget:

Cerberus v666

Gamma Emerald: Kokichi Oma
Hebichan: Kokichi Oma

Chickadee: The Worst
Sando: The Worst

Human Sequencer: zMuffinMan
Sakura Hana: zMuffinMan

Ankamius: Gamma Emerald

BBmolla: Katsuki

Brandi: Titus

Frozen Angel: Shiro

Kokichi Oma: Sakura Hana

The Worst: Nancy Drew 39

Titus: Drixx

zMuffinMan: MyloNinja13

Katsuki:
MyloNinja13:

Ankamius: Missed Deadline
Brandi/NicoRobin: Missed Deadline
Gamma Emerald: Missed Deadline
hebichan: Missed Deadline
the worst: Missed Deadline
Nosferatu: Missed Deadline

Frozen Angel: Ankamius
Titus: Ankamius

Bbmolla: Titus

Nancy Drew 39: Sakura Hana

Sakura Hana: Katsuki

Shiro:

Cerberus v666

Toranaga : Nancy Drew 39

Drixx: Assuming Cerberus v666?
Human Sequencer:
Katsuki:
Kokichi Oma:
Myloninja13:
randomidget:
Sando:
zMuffinMan: {Ankamius/Sakura Hana/Katsuki/Cerberus v666/Nancy Drew 39}

did I miss anything

How does this connect to the worst specifically? Other people also claimed to miss deadlines. His vote was on me D1.

I think that was just bias that caused that vote

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?p=10325437#p10325437

NO THAT'S WRONG
Ankamius was definitely going against TW far before this point

[Gamma Emerald]

are people thinking drixx is scum with numbers?

Do you have a reason not to?

no should I?
just wondering if there was like some decent case I missed or people were suggesting it became wagoning drixx seems like fun

Okay yeah I sorta got lost in the "question everything" mode and didn't realize that it was the stance I was more into out of the two

[Gamma Emerald]

I did a reset with the 123456789 flip.

Nothing Sakura has posted since then felt all that town.

why did numbers require a reset?

because I was starting to townread him at the end of the day

Unrelated, I mostly reset in general and started looking at macro stuff instead of micro stuff.

Well then can you detail what each method of reading gave you on Sakura? Since the read method could be a part of things.

before - mediumish town
after - null

mkay
if it's null why are you pushing it?

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?p=10325437#p10325437

NO THAT'S WRONG
Ankamius was definitely going against TW far before this point

is this a serious post

you literally just asked two questions about the source of this CrAzY cOnTrAdIcTiOn

Um did you forget you sorta 1v1ed tw around the end of d1

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes
And I've been reading your past post as well you revisionist history scam

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait my BS sensors have picked something up
People are suspecting Drixx for being low activity right? From what I recall he generally posts more when there's someone who's relying on him (hydra mate or scumteam, e.g.). So lower activity is probably more towntelling for him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes
And I've been reading your past post as well you revisionist history scam

Why do you think it’s a scam? You don’t think it possible to change reads as the gamestate progresses?

It's possible to change reads, that's not what he's doing, he's lying about his progression.

[Gamma Emerald]

zMuffinMan (3): Sando, the worst, BBmolla

not a fan of this wagon comp rn

[Gamma Emerald]

It was some sort of cops open. I will have to look it up later tonight when the thread isn’t as active. RC is RadiantCowbells Yes.

smith's police academy game?

[Gamma Emerald]

~snip~

So is there a reason to not think math is town

[Gamma Emerald]

wat

i just said i think most of the active player list is probably town

Yep this is bad too.

Titus/muffin/Shiro/123456789 boom!

how is shiro in there?

[Gamma Emerald]

muffin is probably scum

but let's lynch him later

Yeah good point.

Throw molla in the potential scum pile.

I really need to read the whole game.

ND39 is prob Town

I think my current scumpool is something like
Titus, BBM, Sando
so this seems alright

[Gamma Emerald]

why do i have to rescind it if you're not gonna believe it if i dont regardless?
You be you and I will continue being me.

Because it is harmful to the gamestate.
A lie of masons impacts everyone’s reads. As much as people think they don’t use associations they do. A lie like masons if believed creates a disastrous gamestate especially if one is scum.

Pedit nah mass effect mafia for starters you responded to me a lot. I will figure you out in time. But right now you’re in my scumpool

ah, my question is answered

[Gamma Emerald]

OK I got a plan, we should lynxh katsuki and Titus should Pick Sakura

If she legit flips Mason cop with post restriction. We have 1 confirmed town in Sakura {who will pick impenetrable skin to survive) 1 conf scum to lynch on drixx.

If she flips scum however, we get one scum in Sakura and one clear in drixx.

What do you guys think.

Seems reasonable, what happens if Katsuki flips vanilla though?

[Gamma Emerald]

if we're going to leash titus, we need to leash all five slots.

If we leash Titus we need sober Math

Because we have to leash leaders and this other bit that leaders do.

What do leaders do again?

leaders get a superpower and pick five other people to get a superpower

leaders are also immune to death the day and night they are leader unless a no lynch happens, in which case they can die at night

Okay so here is what I see

Assume we say hey Titus

You can pick these ultra five townie to give powers to. If she is scum and she agrees with those people getting powers regardless of alignment she just does it. If she is scum she just does what she wants

How do we ensure that she gives powers to who we say? Like is there a list of who gets powers afterword?

there's a pt they all get
so unless she can figure out a way to decieve all the picks, there's not way changing it works

[Gamma Emerald]

And because it always gives us confscum and conftown tommorow.

WHAT ABOUT VANILLA FLIP JFC

[Gamma Emerald]

Shiro has literally stated that there's 0 chance im telling the truth unless the mod lied... well i dont see this being advertised as bastard have you?
Yet she's willing to let potential scum get a super power?

I dont think Shiro actually believes there is a modicrum of chance that im not lying and just wants to chain up lynches
VOTE: Shiro

Btw, yes, im not a mason

Honestly I'm kinda on board with this. No defined plan for a vanilla flip and the weird stickiness to the plan despite it not making sense are really sketchy.
Is there anything particularly wrong with the idea of a {Sando, Titus, Shiro, BBmolla} team?

[Gamma Emerald]

It's 3ven worse that you think I wanted to lynch master scum hunter katsuki as scum hm when I have never even played with katsuki.

never played with katsuki :fry: excuse me if that's hard to believe

[Gamma Emerald]

And because it always gives us confscum and conftown tommorow.

WHAT ABOUT VANILLA FLIP JFC

If she flipped vanilla obviously nothing. It changes the whole meaning.

The fact you didn't detail anything tells me you wanted that left open. Sorry, you're caught out.

[Gamma Emerald]

if we're going to leash titus, we need to leash all five slots.

If we leash Titus we need sober Math

Because we have to leash leaders and this other bit that leaders do.

What do leaders do again?

leaders get a superpower and pick five other people to get a superpower

leaders are also immune to death the day and night they are leader unless a no lynch happens, in which case they can die at night

Okay so here is what I see

Assume we say hey Titus

You can pick these ultra five townie to give powers to. If she is scum and she agrees with those people getting powers regardless of alignment she just does it. If she is scum she just does what she wants

How do we ensure that she gives powers to who we say? Like is there a list of who gets powers afterword?

there's a pt they all get
so unless she can figure out a way to decieve all the picks, there's not way changing it works

This doesn’t make any sense

If there is a PT that all the people get then we would all just know who has what for powers unless the leader picked a masonry. Having a hood with all the power people seems like a stupid mechanic that I doubt exists :/

Can people please quit saying stupid shit and help me catch up? That would be awesome

Yeah LOL, I can definitely confirm this is false.

I swear someone mentioned it

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there anything particularly wrong with the idea of a {

Sando, Titus

, Shiro, BBmolla} team?

Yes, this is silly. You can say I hammered my buddy, or you can say I spent most of D1 with a safe-ish vote on Titus, but the idea that I spent all day distancing from Titus only to hammer my other buddy for a 129/Titus/Sando trio is just silly. Pick me or Titus if you want, but thinking we made a trio is just insanity.

Out of the two, I prefer you as scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm talking about police academy 1 in that example, Math.

He was in Civ too.

and this is just disgusting imo

[Gamma Emerald]

And because it always gives us confscum and conftown tommorow.

WHAT ABOUT VANILLA FLIP JFC

If she flipped vanilla obviously nothing. It changes the whole meaning.

The fact you didn't detail anything tells me you wanted that left open. Sorry, you're caught out.

Because it is Damn open. That's not so hard to see.

None of yiu can find any reason I could be doing this as scum I explained to her that from a town her pov I am suggesting to give town power. To lynch what katsuki? WOAH.

Yea if she flipped just vanilla I woukd have said Welp at least we got rid of a distraction.

What distraction? NO ONE HAS BEEN DISTRACTED BY KATSUKI FOR A WHILE. And I'm pretty sure someone else already explained how your plan was scum motivated

It sucks that when I attempt to get involved people scumread me without even looking at my way of thinking.

Like for real had I done nothing and continue just posting cute stuff I would have no votes on me but for some odd reason I decided to you know just screw myself.
*sigh*

In other news Gamma might actually be scum trying to find an easyish place to park a vote.

Excuse me, I haven't once tried to vote you. I'm remaining on Sando because it still has weight and it also is someone I scumread. Nice shade though.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think there is a fair chance katsuki is scum6

Gamma recent interaction with me also make me think he was searching for a safe place to park his vote.

This is a fucking lie, Shiro is scum, I didn't once try to vote her there

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok this discussion has to happen, this is stupid, but we have to do this. I'm nominating 2 people for leader for town to vote between, if you disagree on the 2 say so with you you'd replace with what. I'm saying 5 people for hero-team, again say who you want to replace, be aware you can't use more than 1 power per night when you decide this. By default your superhero team should include you leaders for protection sake.

Leaders:
Sando
Ankanimus

Superhero:
Sando
Ankanimus
Gamma
Hebichan
Brandi

I reject this idea, holy ew

[Gamma Emerald]

Sando

Can you go into your townreads on Gamma and Hebi?

I don't really have an opinion of Hebichan either way, but Gamma's really bizarre push on me and then immediately dropping it was gross.

Excuse me when did I drop it?

[Gamma Emerald]

also gonna have to bounce cos work

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm talking about police academy 1 in that example, Math.

He was in Civ too.

and this is just disgusting imo

Why???

Because it reads as "oh he did terrible in Civ so don't listen to anything he says"

[Gamma Emerald]

pardon me when I'm checking the 30 pages I must check!

I don't really feel like playing this anymore

Replace out

Wait what
I recall some sort of meta wrt Yume replace outs meaning something but I forget the exact rule

I remember her doing that as both alignments

I mean like whether she specifically does it or just flakes

[Gamma Emerald]

If we get 3 power claims, then we'd suppose at that point I gave 2 scumbuddies powers in that setup and just lynch me.

Not if we'd told you to only give 3 people powers...which was what MB was intimating.

"Hey Titus give X, Y, Z superhero powers"
X, Y, Z confirm they got powers
Cool! You're free to go Titus!

What is the point of this conversation, you're saying the exact same thing as I see it

[Gamma Emerald]

Furthermore you fucking admit it could go either way. And that is the person you are pushing right now.

i will openly admit any of my reads could go either way

unlike certain people who are wrong far more often than not, i dont live under the delusion that my reads are word of god

I don’t think my reads are the word of God. I am an atheist.

I generally have lots of theories going and then test them.
If they meet scrutiny then I ask about them.
If no one counters those points they remain

I have multiple theories running it’s the most likely that you are scum.
I continue to resist this bullshit you’re slinging fucking stop it and if you’re convinced mylo is scum and Titus is town explain it.

The highlighted is kinda dodging the point
But it's just a minor complaint

[Gamma Emerald]

Atleast we have an upperstart

Hello, please choose a vote for tonight for leader between Frozen Angel and Ankamius, i dont care if you choose randomly between the two, but you gotta stick to it.

Out of these Idk which I want to pick, I for some reason want Ank, like ti's kinda a compulsion
what is wrong with me
btw I'm probably going to skip anything I haven't gone over yet before this and try to get to it during the night

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma Emerald: That is old, please follow FA's list instead.

whic is?

[Gamma Emerald]

We're going for Ankamius as backup leader

@EVERYONE Please place your leader vote as requested in this list:

Frozen Angel: Sakura Hana, Hebichan, Shiro, Katsuki, Mathblade, muffin, Toranaga, Ankamius, Drixx, Nancy Drew 39, Nosferatu
Ankamius: Frozen Angel, BBmolla, Brandi, Gamma Emerald, Creature, Kokichi Oma, the worst, Titus, Myloninja13/Sando (whoever gets lynched is not counted obv)

Okay cool with this
Why are we having those 2 as dueling wagons btw?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are we having those 2 as dueling wagons btw?

TALKING ABOUT SANDO + MYLO JFC

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm less asking why people scumread them and more asking why we've narrowed it down to two wagons, I inderstand we're close to deadline but I'd still like a more in-depth answer to that

[Gamma Emerald]

I personally prefer Sando over mylo for now

[Gamma Emerald]

I personally prefer Sando over mylo for now

Understood. Are you so stubborn over if that you’d risk no lynch?

No. What is Sando at rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

if he's at 6 it can be swung right?

[Gamma Emerald]

but im not moving

why?

[Gamma Emerald]

w/e VOTE: Myloninja Since sando def ins't happening

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi I have no time for this rn, site fucking crashed on me for most of my internet time

[Gamma Emerald]

oh no, those cruel bastards got me with it too



guess ill continue not posting as much so i dont disrupt the very useful conversations going on (that im sure are worth reading) with this awful post restriction

You have no excuse for this
fucking play the game
btw is there anything I missed (i'm not reading the X pages that were posted while I couldn't get to the site)

[Gamma Emerald]

btw is there anything I missed (i'm not reading the X pages that were posted while I couldn't get to the site)

*waves frantically*

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't you ignore me!

[Gamma Emerald]

HI WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

[Gamma Emerald]

HI WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

Nothing much, I am just chilling, you?

I missed the start of the day and don't want to read back, what happened?

[Gamma Emerald]

about how a switch on sando could have happened

I haven't seen much about this, explain?

[Gamma Emerald]

Read the past few pages.

Few thoughts. I don't think Katsuki is scummy enough to be the lynch over titus or sando today.

And also I would like to hear what shotgun thought of my play on day two because I think he was missing like... a good chunk of the active players on his latest reads lynch.

I don't know his meta, but I tend to think walls I generally tear my eyes out trying to read are generally town. Generally.

So the lynch is Titus or Sando eh
who's the leader picks?

[Gamma Emerald]

FA already cleared that up but the irony of you reiterating FA’s math question - like what are the odds? XDD

I...don't like the tone of this

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma emerald’s whatever hammer vote is strange. i like him or toranaga to most likely scum prospects from the end of that wagon.

...no it's really not? I voted to hammer because I was like "fine we're not lynching my scumread, let's get this over with since discussion is clearly over". If anything about that thought process is suspicious please let me know because to me, it's not.

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda skimmed last few pages once they turned in to quote walls. Sorry if I missed anything.

I'll probably be voting Nosferatu, Titus, or Muffin for leader tonight.

talk to me about your Titus read? You're a new face so you might have something important to say.

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven't gotten a scum tell from Titus yet, so as of now, I don't need a reason to look for a town tell since I believe in my associative investigation. Titus just looks like Titus to me, and considering the rules, I'm willing to gamble more on her odds of being town than scum.

Okay I have to object to "Titus looks like Titus" because from my analysis her more erratic thinking (basically her moon logic) has seemed forced and unnatural, so until you can demonstrate otherwise I'm probably going to carry on as I have

[Gamma Emerald]

@gammaemerald, i’ll ask you again - what are your thoughts on how human sequencer was playing before he replaced out? and further, on creature since he replaced in?

Human was kinda scummy to me but I think it wasn't enough for me to fully scumread the slot. As for Creature I don't remember him being in the game so that's scumpoints out of the gate. Also where have you asked this? Did you ask this at all day 2?

[Gamma Emerald]

TMI?

I don't know what it stands for but it means extra knowledge about what players alignments are. You are repeatedly accusing me of knowing your alignment which is what I'm trying to show is wrong.

omg tmi is a common phrase outside of mafia
it means too much information

[Gamma Emerald]

Cerb says care with sando votes cause he is reaching lynch threshold.

Even if you think I'm scum, lynching me before you sort out leader votes is just retarded right now.

Mmm don't like how this feels, why the need for extra input Sando?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey just got done with a brutal work shift is there anything that needs my attention immediately or am I good to post the precog and crash?

Precog
Doc RB BP Duplication Siren’s Call

+Strongman&Strongwilled

Gonna crash if no one has anything for me.

This is dangerous
this means we have to get the next day right

[Gamma Emerald]

Petrification: Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.

oh yeah wrt this: does the player this is used on flip?

[Gamma Emerald]

that’s it i believe. i’m underwhelmed by the amount of answers i’ve gotten so far, so i’m going to redirect attention here shortly to the unanswered questions, and especially since the game thread has blown up a bit since then.

I responded to some of your stuff, don't try to fool with me!

Spoiler:

[Gamma Emerald]

ya but I think you've seen and heard enough about me that you shouldn't.....be jumping to the assumption that i'm scum here? like i can't find any way to parse why you have arrived at the conclusion that you believe i'm aligned with the mafia lmao

I've seen and heard more than enough to have concluded well before the opportunistic jump onto me that you're scum.

Also...well played turning around the fact that you have provided zero reasoning for your vote onto me into a discussion about how scummy you are.

I'm being ignored right now, but you're dead post-flip, town aren't THAT bad this game.

Bee-tee-dubs, for post-game, was it you that got your scumteam to make the push on me D2 when you knew I was over in NZ and wasn't going to be able to respond? The D2 wagon on me post-flip is gonna be much more interesting than the D3 one I think.

VOTE: Sando
following this shade-fest this needs to flip

[Gamma Emerald]

honestly a me wagon might go down well here

wat

[Gamma Emerald]

btw Sando is at l-2