Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

You know, i just realized that idk who I want to vote for leader tonight...

[Sakura Hana]

I'm probably gonna sheep whatever FA decides, but literally... FA is the only person i trust enough at this point.

[Sakura Hana]

and you're 100% sure FA is town?

Not really, but she's still my strongest TR.

[Sakura Hana]

There's one thing that's bothering me tho.

[Sakura Hana]

Well remember how yesterday it was a decission for FA and someone of me/ankamius for leader positions today?.
FA chose Ankamius and then Ankamius died, but i've been wondering what if FA had chose me instead of Ankamius, if scum had killed me for being a leader candidate then it's less of a loss coz i never had any PR in the first place, it's also possible they'd have killed Ankamius anyway.

But it's something that's been on my mind.

[Sakura Hana]

I mean, i didnt want to be leader anyway, so i paid no mind to it, but wouldnt it have been a better play to put the player without a PR at risk of Night kill for being a leader candidate?

[Sakura Hana]

I mean, i didnt want to be leader anyway, so i paid no mind to it, but wouldnt it have been a better play to put the player without a PR at risk of Night kill for being a leader candidate?

For N2 I think it was pretty universally agreed that the leader options would also be in Titus' superhero team to get powers and use them (presumably for protection). I was of the opinion the pool should start expanding, apparently that makes me scum.

Eh I forgot about that, nvm then.

[Sakura Hana]

Do we even know if the dead can acquire them?

What's this? Superhero team members can choose and use a supowerpower on the night they were elected.

[Sakura Hana]

@sakura hana, where do you stand regarding toranaga’s alignment atm and why?

I've had a few problems sorting him, i dunno why he's being townread so much, day 1 he had a giant flip flop on me, day 2 he vanished, although according to FA he had his own reasons to vanish so it was probably null, I dont like that he goes and says "She fake claimed masons so she shouldnt be leader even tho i townread her", suffice to say I keep not understanding what's going through his head, so im having a hard time figuring out his alignment and so far im just following everyone with experience with him saying he's town.

[Sakura Hana]

@Sakura the reason we chose ank over you was because ank could use bp/ would be harder to kill as they were in both mine and titus list and other people went with ank over sakura in pages it was being discussed.

Yeah, i was already reminded of that, i had forgotten.

Sorry, i sometimes have the memory of a goldfish, guess that's why im so bad at meta reading...

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Sando

[Sakura Hana]

I don't know what it stands for

It means Too Much Information, used when someone appears to have more information than they should if they were town.

[Sakura Hana]

Also FA, Shiro you're both town, can you both please drop this, if anything the other party's paranoia should help you see they are town.

[Sakura Hana]

Duckling is scum here btw, and that vote was disgustingly obvious there buddy

why is worst's vote scummy but not mine?

[Sakura Hana]

I thought he was L-3 with duckling's vote, but i dont remember if he received any new votes since the VC where he was at 5

[Sakura Hana]

How come no one's even asking me why i switched from Titus to Sando?

[Sakura Hana]

How come no one's even asking me why i switched from Titus to Sando?

why did you switch from Titus to Sando?

Too Late!

In all seriousness tho, that's a blatant 180 there with a naked vote, i'd expected people to be raising a few eyebrows over the switch, but instead apparently duckling's scum, and no one seems to care why i switched.

But the reason is simple, I realized that Shiro's town, there's also the fact that Titus kept her promise, when the sacrifice of her own to give scum power negation was a possibility, Titus is probably not scum, and so I decided to vote the person that escaped rope yesterday.

[Sakura Hana]

That's the list of abilities for tomorrow.

[Sakura Hana]

Speaking of leader, FA, do you have any idea of who should be running for tonight?

[Sakura Hana]

If scum has factional strongman, the inclusion of abilities to block kills doesnt make sense, much less the inclusion of abilities to negate the abilities that block kills.
If the point of the abilities were to help only town we'd be seeing proper watchers, trackers and maybe even cops or power cops or something in the lists.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont understand what makes me a great leader option other than being town.

[Sakura Hana]

None of these abilities so far increase the KPN of the game

Technically petrification does.
Technically.

[Sakura Hana]

Also there was that one ability about killing a flying player, but that's super situational it looks like.

[Sakura Hana]

I have so many mixed feelings about this game. at first I was proud that people trusted me twice to elect me leader and to ask me to sort 2 lists and then most of today was me answering to baseless accusations and people saying how they can't read me unless if I die.

At least that's better than my games.

[Sakura Hana]

'm a really self-centered player and I focus my slot over anything else in mafia games without actually intending it and when this amount of distrust is against my slot without being able to do anything about it, it paralyzes my ability to play the game.

Huh
This sounds eerily similar to me.

[Sakura Hana]

Nancy, a pro tip so you dont end up making a quote pyramid. If you highlight any portion of a post and click on the quote button for that post you only quote the highlighted part, it doesnt include formatting tho.

[Sakura Hana]

Nancy, a pro tip so you dont end up making a quote pyramid. If you highlight any portion of a post and click on the quote button for that post you only quote the highlighted part, it doesnt include formatting tho.

Highlight, you mean like “Select”? Whenever I’ve tried to do that - quote minus the pyramid, it screwed up my formatting.

Yeah like when you click and drag over text, it has always worked for me tho, but it ignores formating of the post you're quoting.

[Sakura Hana]

So yeah, I was right, Sando's at L-3

[Sakura Hana]

who's the leader picks?

nfi yet, some ppl are suggesting me and math. cerb wants drix, shiro wants herself, nancy i think also offered hebichan as a possibility.

[Sakura Hana]

#CitationNeeded coz i dont trust my memory xD

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah, Creature has vanished off this game this day phase.
That's not looking good already.

[Sakura Hana]

Petrification: Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.

oh yeah wrt this: does the player this is used on flip?

Havent asked, but i would assume no, since it can be healed (unlike a kill), and the petrified player can also still be killed.

[Sakura Hana]

since it can be healed (unlike a kill)

that sounded weird.
I meant to say it can be healed, after the fact, unlike a kill.

[Sakura Hana]

^

That is L-2

Friendly reminder to please not vote Sando yet even if you want to lynch him, until we hear from more ppl and more importantly we decide on where our votes for leader are going tonight.

P-Edit: Yeah

[Sakura Hana]

do you know the reasons behind why experienced players seem to think he’s town? and what players particularly? because that could be a basis for diving deeper, i think.

well not exactly, i dont remember THAT much, but i think it was FA and Nancy

[Sakura Hana]

Okay, I'm back

Were you gone?

[Sakura Hana]

Do you need me for anything?

How do you feel about Sando?
Who do you think should be Leader tomorrow?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wait you're voting Sando.
I forgot about that.

You being gone for a while was making me paranoid >.<

[Sakura Hana]

Can't be same leader?

Nope

[Sakura Hana]

in a multiball game

Ok.

[Sakura Hana]

maybe "lol" would've been a better reply.
Suffice to say multiball games means scum have to scumhunt too.
I generally dont like to put much stock into multiball meta.

[Sakura Hana]

Also @everyone I haven't submited any lists yet. lynching right now before discussing more when we have this much time and before discussing leadership is stupid. so please don't.

UNVOTE:
Hope this helps.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't see why some people see her towny here tbh

Well i haven't liked her content, but...
I think scum Titus would've just sacrificed herself to give her entire scumteam power negation, not only do we have confirmation she's stuck to her leash (except Ank) we also have confirmation that she didnt get Power Negation herself, so even if she lied about Ank getting a power and gave it to a teammate, there's at most 1 person with Power Negation right now.
I think it's more likely she's just town and that's why she followed the leash.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't see why some people see her towny here tbh

Well i haven't liked her content, but...
I think scum Titus would've just sacrificed herself to give her entire scumteam power negation, not only do we have confirmation she's stuck to her leash (except Ank) we also have confirmation that she didnt get Power Negation herself, so even if she lied about Ank getting a power and gave it to a teammate, there's at most 1 person with Power Negation right now.
I think it's more likely she's just town and that's why she followed the leash.

To add on to this, why wouldnt a scum!Titus lie about giving power to you (FA), and shoot you instead by having a teammate use power negation on you, Ank probably didnt need the use of power negation to die, yet you living over ank, probably means no one got power negation last night and Titus is telling the truth and town.

[Sakura Hana]

but there is one huge arguement against that: she did it cause she wanted to be a townread.

I tend to have a bias against the saying that scum did something that doesnt make sense as scum but makes sense as town for the reason of "To appear town" (or in this case "To be townread").
Sorry, i just dont believe it. It also doesnt help that i've seen this line of thinking invoked so much against me on my town games.

[Sakura Hana]

Btw Math you used premonition today right?

[Sakura Hana]

Btw Math you used premonition today right?

Precog yeah

Fuck...
That's bad...

[Sakura Hana]

Why do you say that is bad?

Because that means that even if you get a power (like BP) tonight, you cant use a power tonight coz you already used precog.

[Sakura Hana]

Speaking of today's abilities im really mad about the inclusion of something like petrification.
But that's something to talk with the mod post-game.

[Sakura Hana]

Well the only people that could have that are Nancy or FA, Math, Titus, Shiro have confirmed abilities and Ank is dead.

[Sakura Hana]

Well the only people that could have that are Nancy or FA; Math, Titus, Shiro have confirmed abilities and Ank is dead.

Dammit, me and my punctuation.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually Shiro's not confirmed not having that ability, Shiro's confirmed not using Power Negate last night coz she used Spiritual Mediumship.
But I think Shiro's most likely town anyway so no worries there.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually it had to have been used last night, so I stand corrected, Shiro cant be it either (tho she could have it)

[Sakura Hana]

In addition FA said she used something else last night, so she cant have it either, the only person that could've used it last night is Nancy.

[Sakura Hana]

In addition FA said she used something else last night, so she cant have it either, the only person that could've used it last night is Nancy.

Again stating is not enough.
If/when/unless FA proves it it is disregarded.

Sure, but do you have any reason to disbelieve it? Besides she's the one asking for not lynching yet anyway i doubt she'd go and "HA QUICK HAMMER MFERS", also I unvoted to be safe.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah, as you eliminate the impossible, only the truth remains.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah well im just saying that in the case of "Not lying FA" then "Nancy is the only one who could've used double vote last night"

[Sakura Hana]

In mafia tho, there's very little impossible, but a lot of insane.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah well im just saying that in the case of "Not lying FA" then "Nancy is the only one who could've used double vote last night"

What double vote? That doesn’t even make any sense.

Stun was worried scum got the double vote ability so im saying that if FA is to be believed that she used Phasing (and i believe it), then you're the only one likely that could've gained and used that ability last night.

[Sakura Hana]

You didnt really need to specifically say you didnt pick it tho xD

[Sakura Hana]

Now i want some milk myself.

[Sakura Hana]

@muffin: You mean this?:

she was the only iso i had gotten too fwiw as well, other than my own role and bbmolla.

[Sakura Hana]

@everyone I need a list of 5 townreads from each one of you.

Well i can give you all my TRs:
FA, Nancy, Titus, Drixx, Shiro, muffin, Creature, Tora*

*: Only TRing coz you guys say this is his towngame or something.

[Sakura Hana]

I also had TR on hebichan, but idek where she's dissapeared to.

[Sakura Hana]

talk about your titus and muffin and the hebi tr

Titus already explained earlier, you even responded to that post.
hebi's been kinda away, but I remember that she's been more present this game than on the one scumgame i saw from her (where she ended up getting replaced), so I think that might be more similar to her town games that I've had with her.
muffin, well this is the one im the least certain of, but while muffin uses a lot of sarcasm and snarkyness you can usually tell what he's trying to convey, and it feels like what he conveys is towny, for example when he mentioned that it didnt make sense for shiro!scum to lie about the link, and trying to draw attention that nothing stun is doing is towny.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont think healing prevents power negate, but I guess I should ask the mod just in case.

[Sakura Hana]

**Healing Touch: Target another player. If that player has not been killed, any debilitating or harmful effects are removed.

Yeah see, it doesnt say that it prevents the harmful effects, just that it removes any.
Regardless maybe you're right so I asked the mod just in case.

I think it's more used to counter petrification.

[Sakura Hana]

wait so it's not a doctor? it won't heal the kills?

Well technically it heals petrification which is pretty close.

[Sakura Hana]

It is not that simple sando, petrification while close is not a kill, it probably bypasses leader's protection, of course, if everyone in the team is town, petrify shouldnt be an issue to begin with.

P-Edit: GODDAMIT NANCY, I taught you how to quote more easily without making a pyramid >.<

[Sakura Hana]

Since FA and Stun seem to have stopped discussing stun's muffin read I wanna inform stun that what muffin did in his first post is null, he does it every game.

[Sakura Hana]

Since FA and Stun seem to have stopped discussing stun's muffin read I wanna inform stun that what muffin did in his first post is null, he does it every game.

Correction: He does it every game he's with Katsuki.

[Sakura Hana]

or if Enhanced Hearing was used on Ank.

That doesnt work either, Power negation also prevents superpowers from hitting the target.
Although I wonder if Enhanced Hearing would get "No Result", that'd be telling.

[Sakura Hana]

I think it only specifically works on the person who is being targeted. If player A uses superhero EH on Ank and Ank were PN, the player using EH would obtain a result that PN was indeed used. If however, the player who had targeted Ank with PN was used on them rather Ank, then they would receive no result.

Uh what, also enhanced hearing is binary result

[Sakura Hana]

You know what's funny.
Power Negation can shield a player from Petrification.

[Sakura Hana]

I think it only specifically works on the person who is being targeted. If player A uses superhero EH on Ank and Ank were PN, the player using EH would obtain a result that PN was indeed used. If however, the player who had targeted Ank with PN was used on them rather Ank, then they would receive no result.

Uh what, also enhanced hearing is binary result

Isn’t it like the equivalent of voyeur? You can find out which actions were used on someone but not who used them?

So choosing EH would not be stopped by PN unless scum had a way of knowing who had that power and was planning to use it on what night.

No, it tells you "Powers were used" or "Powers werent used"
it tells you

IF

powers are used, not which powers are used.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah if you get a result then PN wasnt used.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok mod told me healing touch doesnt prevent power negate, there you go.

[Sakura Hana]

Haven't you explained several times why tora's absent tho?

[Sakura Hana]

Well he DOES have 2 prod markers

[Sakura Hana]

In Varsoon game, Snarky Snowman was not counted as a living player but he could still post.

That's a treestump and that's better anyway.
Petrification basically means you kinda count as dead for votes and parity, you also have a post restriction to not post or vote, and to boot you dont even get to see the Dead PT coz you're not dead, essentially an unfun status.

[Sakura Hana]

I just asked the mod if they flip, but if not, then that also adds that you're janitored, tho that doesnt mean much for scum if they use it, but it means a lot for town, since flips are binary, it denies a lot of information.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Titus

Oooh scum bussing yes fucking please

VOTE: Titus

lol

[Sakura Hana]

Hey if scum wanna help I will gladly let them lynch each other. No reason to stop a scum bus train.

No i find it funny coz Stun's been SRing Titus almost the entire day phase if not the entire day phase, and you're jumping at his "busing" as if it's something new, so i found it funny.

[Sakura Hana]

Stun's vote history:

VOTE: Titus

i’ve been voting her for forever, just think it was missed! :p

Spoiler: notes

123456789 (4): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus
zMuffinMan (4): BBmolla, Katsuki, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39

Human Sequencer ZzMuffin Up Nancy Down

123456789 (6): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu

Titus (3): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Ankamius

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Katsuki and Nos review for bussing

123456789 (7): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius

Titus (5): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Hebi down, Ank closes bus window or starts race

123456789 (8): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, the worst

Titus (6): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan, Ankamius


Bus race not likely when Ank swaps wagons closer to EoD, Sando possible bus

Drixx (3): Sakura Hana, hebichan, zMuffinMan
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald



zMuffinMan (4): Sando, the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade

Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Shiro (2): Sakura Hana, hebichan

zMuffinMan (3): Sando, the worst, BBmolla


Drixx (3): Sakura Hana, Sando, Katsuki
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald
zMuffinMan (3): the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade


Myloninja13 (3): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2): Sando, Katsuki
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, MathBlade

Myloninja13 (5): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan

Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2): Sando, Katsuki
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, MathBlade


Myloninja13 (9): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39, Creature

Sando (5): Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Titus, Ankamius

zMuffinMan (3): BBmolla, MathBlade, Drixx


Looking at the Sando wagon, it is nearly universally town. Zmuffin in it's iterations is largely unknown. Drixx is a lightning rod with all sorts of players voting him. Reads more like people wouldn't mind lynching him than players viewing him as scum.

VOTE: Sando

Sakura and zmuffin are likely town due to their early votes on Numbers. Don't vote them until lylo plus 2 unless they get toxic. Yet zmuffin recurrs as a wagon. It's almost like town lets scum wagon the smart people.

My focus today would be on Sando, the worst, bb slit and Math. Lynching a lurker over Sando gives more red flags for Sando.

Don't lynch Sakura, zmuffin

Toranga Nancy Creature should have scum if Sando is scum

VOTE: Katsuki, possibility he’s scum and i want to see where this vote leads.

i still do not support a sando lynch.

and i just read the iso from titus and i missed that she hard-defended two players as town i hadn’t initially seen from her vca —> zmuffinman and sakura hana. i like these players to be town myself, and the pool of players she gave pr’s too seems conceivable from a town perspective.

i think very well titus could still be scum here, but the lack of anything from Katsuki is bothering me, especially ever since i found 2 similar posts to what she’s made in a past scum game.

VOTE: Titus

[Sakura Hana]

It's quite an interesting history to say the least.
If Stun's scum that means Titus is town, them both being scum, means that something must have been planned last night to bus Titus, which makes Titus actions make even less sense.

[Sakura Hana]

Rephrasing just in case, but if you believe Titus following the leash was meant to make Titus townread while she's actually scum, Stun's actions if he's a partner means it's a planned bus, which... doesnt make sense.

[Sakura Hana]

I think it’s a planned vote (which by definition is bussing) but I don’t think stun expects Titus to be lynched.

What i think is, more likely, it's either.
A) Stun is town and legit scumreads Titus, regardless of Titus actual alignment.
B) Stun is scum, saw something about what happened yesterday and how everyone SRs Titus, and came in guns blazing at her because he expected to get support.

[Sakura Hana]

I find stun bussing more likely with the Katsuki callout so close to the Titus vote. Testing the waters so to speak

This way of thinking implies Katsuki town and a planned bus from Stun to Titus, why does Titus not just give power to all scum instead.
Please explain to me why this happens.

[Sakura Hana]

Scum!Titus here gives powers to town almost exclusively if not exclusively and watches as we tear ourselves apart and

then dodges the lynch and her buddies push someone else here instead

Exactly, what i've been saying.
This isn't SvS

[Sakura Hana]

The majority of her buddies? you didnt include the word majority so i thought you meant all of them.

If Titus is scum, and Stun is her buddy, who are the other 2 pushing elsewhere.

And I still dont think a planned bus on Titus would end up with Titus giving all power to town.

You're free to prove me wrong tho, and ill eat my words post game if both Stun and Titus are indeed scum together, but I just have a hard time seeing any sort of reasoning to this strategy.

[Sakura Hana]

If anything scum made her leader to avoid her lynch and she placates to continue that.

And how does planned bus help with that.

You dont have to reply to me right away, I can wait for your answers.

[Sakura Hana]

uses vca to uphold weak scumread/earlier vote of sando, albeit still with very little support. doesn’t explain *why this is a possible bus —> which would be pivotal towards upholding such a stance.

I wanna know why Titus seems to be saying that me voting Titus is a possible bus...

LMAO super fail xD
I didnt even realize that.

[Sakura Hana]

Okay, screw this.
It seems like Titus didnt do VCA, came with a result in mind before checking the votes and used that.
I still dunno why Titus would do what she did as scum.

But this is literally something else.
Consider my TR on Titus gone.

[Sakura Hana]

<- Insert Vote on Titus here, except idk how many votes she has so i dont wanna vote yet ->

[Sakura Hana]

Eh ok
VOTE: Titus

[Sakura Hana]

Well yes, a Titus scum flip would be indicative of a town Stun.

[Sakura Hana]

5564 is pretty weak tho, compared to what she did in the VCA.

[Sakura Hana]

Titus why did you say in your VCA that Sando voting you is possible scum busing?

[Sakura Hana]

123456789 (4): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus
zMuffinMan (4): BBmolla, Katsuki, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39

Human Sequencer ZzMuffin Up Nancy Down

123456789 (6): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu

Titus (3): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Ankamius

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Katsuki and Nos review for bussing

123456789 (7): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius

Titus (5): 123456789, Gamma Emerald,

Sando

, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Hebi down, Ank closes bus window or starts race

123456789 (8): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, the worst

Titus (6): 123456789, Gamma Emerald,

Sando

, Frozen Angel, hebichan, Ankamius


Bus race not likely when Ank swaps wagons closer to EoD,

Sando possible bus

@Titus: I'm highlighting Sando in your VCA and what you said for easier finding.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Katsuki

[Sakura Hana]

Time to lynch my ex-mason partner

[Sakura Hana]

nope.
She picked FA, Shiro, Nancy, Math, Ank.

[Sakura Hana]

Why are we talking about Shiro picking Titus if we resolve Titus D4? Current leader is FA not Shiro

[Sakura Hana]

I've sort of glossing over the discussion and i dont understand it.

[Sakura Hana]

Why are we talking about Shiro picking Titus if we resolve Titus D4? Current leader is FA not Shiro

Because we have to send in D4 leader picks N3, BEFORE we can find that out.

yeah, but... if Titus isnt resolved D4 then we lynch her no?
Unless you're drawing the assumption that Shiro would lie.

[Sakura Hana]

#DemotivationalGames

I feel like my brain's puree right now.

[Sakura Hana]

Or maybe it's coz i've been playing La Mulana 2 since yesterday and I feel like I get left behind.

[Sakura Hana]

hey sakura iso my recent posts for instructions
that reminds me, theres been a ton of scum claims

Last time i read a post of yours you commented on my Katsuki vote.

[Sakura Hana]

well i just don't see town motivation for voting a mason, sorry

Yeah, the other mason pair totally has no town motivation.

[Sakura Hana]

If you really believed that, then that came out of the left field.
And even then i already said that was a fake claim.

[Sakura Hana]

Do you think Shiro didnt pick up some protection last night?

[Sakura Hana]

Alright but...
I think Creature might be scum now, he vanishes from the thread and stuff.

Also I guess im voting Math tonight, but shouldnt we also arrange who's voting who just like yesterday.

Why do i get P-Edit twice within 2 seconds...........

[Sakura Hana]

Can we also please not have quote pyramids anymore.

[Sakura Hana]

Current Leader Vote Tally:

Sakura: Math, Nancy
Math: Sakura

[Sakura Hana]

Also I'll lynch anyone of Titus, Kats and Creature.

[Sakura Hana]

Hey Gamma and Nos, which of Me/Math are you voting for leader tonight.

[Sakura Hana]

Current Leader Vote Tally:

Sakura: Math, Nancy
Math: Sakura, Gamma

[Sakura Hana]

Current Leader Vote Tally:

Sakura: Math, Nancy
Math: Sakura, Gamma, FA

Welp last post for now, gonna play some LM2 and then be back in a few hours. I rather have the leader votes ironed out first.

[Sakura Hana]

I just questioned mod about petrification. if it's a vig and it flips it might come in handy.

i already did, check the D3 abilities FAQ, player isnt dead so it doesnt flip.

Current Leader Vote Tally:

Sakura: Math, Nancy, Nos, stungun
Math: Sakura, Gamma, FA

[Sakura Hana]

Current Leader Vote Tally:

Sakura: Math, Nancy, Nos, stungun, Creature
Math: Sakura, Gamma, FA

Ok im around for now

@toog: Please choose one of the 2 options for leader please, im bolding this so you dont miss it across all the "spam"

Why do i have a feeling he'll miss it anyway.

Creature: Why do you keep dissapearing, did u replace into scum slot?

I'd go for Titus at this point, her VCA is faulty, she feels like she's hiding information.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah also
VOTE: Titus
L-3

[Sakura Hana]

@stun: why do you have me as townier than FA?

[Sakura Hana]

Creature: Why do you keep dissapearing, did u replace into scum slot?

I'm a natural procrastinator.

That... doesnt make me feel any better.

[Sakura Hana]

I love how everyone's assuming we have a dayvig.

1) Petrification is close to a killing ability... but it's not, player doesnt flip and can be healed with another ability, other than that it's literlally the worst post restriction effect i've ever seen.
2) Petrification cant be used during the day.

Also stun is slowly but surely rising to become a TR of mine.

[Sakura Hana]

*strong TR.

Actually....
fuck it my gut tells me he's town, so im putting him as strong TR.

[Sakura Hana]

*strong TR.

Actually....
fuck it my gut tells me he's town, so im putting him as strong TR.

Explain that to me. I was half debating vigging him. But then decided since I don’t have a handle on things me vigging is a bad idea

>my gut tells me he's town
>explain that to me

>.<

[Sakura Hana]

I'll try tho, but, i basically feel like he's taking strong unpopular stances and fighting for them. It feels like he's trying to solve the game amidst the mechanical spec chaos that's been this day phase, and feels like most players have spent talking about mech spec while he's actually hunting scum.

More or less that's what i feel.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't think he was forced to tho...

[Sakura Hana]

Also please stop using your own scum meta to read other people.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh i see, thanks stun.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm not entirely sure why we are advertising who we want as leader. I feel like that kind of information is easily abused and could be taken advantage of by scum. Seeing who flips leader each day can also be used as a scum hunting tool in it's own way too.

Ok i explained this in D2, but since you havent read that ill explain it again.
We form 2 leadership options and split the votes as equally as possible between them so that scum cant just pile on their preferred leader option and make them leader, the reason there's 2 is so scum cant just kill one to get what they want.

[Sakura Hana]

Also, it's very dangerous to have scum in leader position. I mean look at that Petrification power, could allow scum to just petrify 4 players for a surprise lylo.

[Sakura Hana]

Nothing is fool proof but blind voting is dangerous, if everyone gets like 1-2 votes and then 3 scum vote a leader.

[Sakura Hana]

Current Leader Vote Tally:

Sakura: Math, Nancy, Nos, stungun, Creature
Math: Sakura, Gamma, FA

@Whoever still hasnt given me a name yet.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok so we're going with this list then?

ok, i suppose we can try forcing slots, and they can just confirm whether they feel comfortable enough to follow-up on it. if i’ve lead the lynch for today, i suppose i can lead here too with a suggestion

so bolding this because of its importance,

we could try 9 and 9

i’ll move over to mathblade and suggest this

Sakura (9): Math, Nancy, Nos, Creature, hebichan, the worst (right?), toogeloo (?), Kokichi (?), zmuffinman’s slot if not modkilled (?)
Mathblade (9): Sakura, Gamma, FA, stungun, Sando, Drixx (?), Toranaga (?), Katsuki (?), Shiro (?)

this assumes titus is lynched, and that everyone is ok with their placement on the respective wagons

@toogeloo, this assumes you are ok with voting sakura hana as leader. you seem to think titus is town, however titus concluding sakura hana to be town from his vca. can you investigate her reasoning and see if you conclude the same about sakura being town?

literally everyone right now is townreading sakura, because their content clearly shows they are town, so an iso of sakura might help you reach that conclusion too

[Sakura Hana]

Nancy, this is a wild goose chase, what motivation does Ace have to lie about something that you can easily find on Ank's ISO.
If Ace is scum is not for this reason.

[Sakura Hana]

Eh, Nos, he's called Ace in my homesite.

[Sakura Hana]

I practically trust no other slot in this game enough to allow them to choose less than 5 players.

If they are scum they can choose their own scum mates and we will never figure out they got powers and we won't ever have a lead to figure that out. It's just a really bad idea to allow people to choose fewer players generally.

I 100% Agree with this.

[Sakura Hana]

So Shiro has resorted to bribery now?

[Sakura Hana]

And that is my queue to go to bed lolz

Do you make queues to go to bed? xD

In all seriousness i think you meant to say "cue" not "queue"

[Sakura Hana]

lol @ Shiro "trusting" the ultimate liar.

[Sakura Hana]

It's okay, after Titus flips scum it'll be very telling if Shiro DOES link her.

[Sakura Hana]

oh FA you think this is TMI for Shiro?

[Sakura Hana]

BTW:

The day ends in (expired on 2018-08-02 21:00:00).

While i wouldnt have minded lynching Kats idk if this is too late for that.

[Sakura Hana]

I seriously dont wanna handle the anxiety of another deadline scramble...

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah.
I got phone data now so even if my internet goes down i can still come and vote.

My worries is if people switch to Kats (me included) and others just lurk the deadline away or something and then the ppl that switched arent around to switch back and we end up with NL.

[Sakura Hana]

Also can we please stop having these close to deadline last minute switch requests

I voted Kats earlier there didnt seem to be much support, i did notice that muffin eyebrowed me for voting him, if kats is indeed scum that might be telling, idk.

Regardless, right now what i need is to sleep.

[Sakura Hana]

phone posting spree upcoming, so ignore the fact that these will be short posts with probably quite a few consecutive posts

@sakura hana and @shiro, can you guys put out full reads lists before this night phase? i’m thinking it’s very very likely one of the two of you is killed this night phase

Still would like these


@sakura,
@shiro

Oh drat i forgot you asked this, and im busy in the morning, ill... try to put some reads list up when im back from shopping.

[Sakura Hana]

Also, it's very dangerous to have scum in leader position. I mean look at that Petrification power, could allow scum to just petrify 4 players for a surprise lylo.

...Are you calling FA scum? Because Petrification isn't available tomorrow from what Math posted

Nah im not, if i was i wouldnt have trusted her yesterday and throughout all my posting you can tell she's my strongest TR.
This post was just general posting about what Petrify can do to the playerlist with a scum leader.

[Sakura Hana]

He can only spirit medium those who die in the last day phase.

Actually the previous day/night phase, so Shiro can perfectly medium Ank tonight.

[Sakura Hana]

Well i think that makes Titus L-1

Sakura (9): Math, Nancy, Nos, Creature, hebichan, the worst (right?), toogeloo (?), Kokichi (?), Toranaga (?)
Mathblade (9): Sakura, Gamma, FA, stungun, Sando, Drixx (?), Katsuki (?), Shiro (?), zmuffinman’s slot if not modkilled (?)

Don't forget.
Swapped Tora and zmuffin from stun's list coz Tora said he wants to vote me.

[Sakura Hana]

I love how Shiro believes that threatening to medium Titus on a Titus town flip will make scum shoot her.

[Sakura Hana]

Currently working on a reads list but i feel like my mind keeps changing everytime i keep thinking about each slot in the null town <-> null category X_X

[Sakura Hana]

Ah screw this, i dont have time for this.

{Frozen Angel, MathBlade, Drixx*}
{stungun0404, Nancy Drew 39, Toranaga*}
{zMuffinMan, Gamma Emerald, hebichan, Sando}
{Creature**, the worst}
{Katsuki, Nosferatu, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toogeloo}
{Titus}

*: Read is based off ppl with more experience with the player.
**: Read is growing stale beause of Creature's Scum meta and is decaying.

I think more or less this is how i feel about the game rn. I generally dont like doing reads list on demand because of my finicky mind.

[Sakura Hana]

Like i can feel very confident about the top 2 tiers and the bottom tier, the rest is like a mass of "maybe this one is a bit townier, but maybe not coz it doesnt make sense" and i cant make up my mind.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh deadline is longer than i originally thought.
Well i need to be away for the time being.

[Sakura Hana]

btw did titus ever claim who she targeted with powers?

did anyone claim to have received powers in case she didn't?

She claimed to have targeted: FA, Nancy, Shiro, Ankamius, Mathblade. All of them confirmed but Anka is dead.

[Sakura Hana]

More information:

Math and Titus (unless they are in cahoots but i doubt it) have confirmed each other to not have taken Power Negate nor used it last night, on top of that Shiro's confirmed to not have used Power Negate last night.

Now i srsly need to go sorry, if thread isnt locked when im back i can talk more before night phase, but dont wait for me.

[Sakura Hana]

and someone else had 2 votes for leader

I think that was me, muffin and i forgot who else voted me.
Also didnt Cerb claim to have voted Titus for leader?

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura (9): Math, Nancy, Nos, Creature, hebichan, the worst (right?), toogeloo (?), Kokichi (?), Toranaga
Mathblade (9): Sakura, Gamma, FA, stungun, Sando, Drixx (?), Katsuki (?), Shiro (?), zmuffinman’s slot if not modkilled (?)

Ok im around, reposting this coz if we're not lynching titus but creature instead something here needs to change.

[Sakura Hana]

inb4 people arent around anymore...

[Sakura Hana]

I don't get what's so town about Titus either, but Creature isnt a bad lynch.

[Sakura Hana]

I've been scum together with creature once and I had to bus him because of his black and white meta.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok so here's the thing re: Creature vs Titus

IF creature is scum without Titus then Creature has no superpowers guaranteed.
IF creature is scum with Titus, then Creature may or may not have superpowers.
If Titus is scum she's known to have precog (unless that was a lucky guess, but i doubt it) and not power negate, but there may be a scum member that has power negate.
If Titus is town we know no scum has gotten powers so far aside from scum inserting themselves into the townbloc (doubt it)

Lynching Creature if scum, then either he's scum with Titus and either did get a super power or didnt get a superpower.
Lynching Titus will yield light onto whether there's a chance scum has super powers or not, because Scum titus probably gave something to scum last night, and if she's town then we know scum has no superpowers.

I think balancing the benefit of mislynching a town titus vs lynching a scum titus yields more information to lynch titus than creature, creature wont survive as scum in this playerlist so creature isnt a priority.

And this is even disregarding reads on Titus and Creature.

[Sakura Hana]

Like im 80% sure on creature scum, but even then, lynching scum!Titus is more of a priority than lynching a scum!Creature UNLESS Creature is scum WITH titus and has power negate. But what are even the chances of that.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, you literally just posted Creature is lockscum but mislynching me is better because info. Like there are going to be vigs. I will die or keep catching scum. You act as if I have no value to town in your calculus as well.

If i didnt think there was a high chance of you being scum i would rather lynch creature yes.
Although i didnt mention it like that to me is like choosing between a mafia goon and mafia PR lynch.

[Sakura Hana]

Also since when is 80% sure lockscum.

[Sakura Hana]

Although i guess if you put it that way, i currently feel strongly about both of you being scum, i just think that if ppl are undecided, unless they TR you and SR creature the choice is obvious.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, you literally just posted Creature is lockscum but mislynching me is better because info. Like there are going to be vigs. I will die or keep catching scum. You act as if I have no value to town in your calculus as well.

If i didnt think there was a high chance of you being scum i would rather lynch creature yes.
Although i didnt mention it like that to me is like choosing between a mafia goon and mafia PR lynch.

Do you think I am bussing here?

Let's be real, what scum wouldnt bus creature.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura (9): Math, Nancy, Nos, Creature, hebichan, the worst (right?), toogeloo (?), Kokichi (?), Toranaga
Mathblade (9): Sakura, Gamma, FA, stungun, Sando, Drixx (?), Katsuki (?), Shiro (?), zmuffinman’s slot if not modkilled (?)

I feel like I need to quote this every page now >.<

[Sakura Hana]

Titus final reads, if you're town like you're trying to convince us you are, this shouldn't be a problem right?
P-Edit: Dammit FA stealing my questions.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura (9): Math, Nancy, Nos, Creature, hebichan, the worst (right?), toogeloo (?), Kokichi (?), Toranaga
Mathblade (9): Sakura, Gamma, FA, stungun, Sando, Drixx (?), Katsuki (?), Shiro (?), zmuffinman’s slot if not modkilled (?)

I feel like I need to quote this every page now >.<

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura (9): Math, Nancy, Nos, Creature, hebichan, the worst (right?), toogeloo (?), Kokichi (?), Toranaga
Mathblade (9): Sakura, Gamma, FA, stungun, Sando, Drixx (?), Katsuki (?), Shiro (?), zmuffinman’s slot if not modkilled (?)

I feel like I need to quote this every page now >.<

Can i squeeze this in before thread lock?

[Sakura Hana]

eh i switched tora and muffin coz tora wanted to vote for me.

[Sakura Hana]

The TLDR TLDR: Shiro is almost positively scum, and we are best off lynching her today.

You mean the person scum shot?

[Sakura Hana]

I mean, yeah, i thought Shiro was scum too, my post was merely a joke coz it looked like stun didnt notice shiro had died, then i realized there was another page xD

[Sakura Hana]

On other news Titus meta should make Sando all but confirmed town by now.
Titus DOES NOT bus in the manner she did.

[Sakura Hana]

Creature's probably scum tho.
His meta points to Creature scum, and me saying that Titus was busing Creature and she invoking her meta leads me to think that was her intention.

[Sakura Hana]

Regardless im off for now, ill give it some more thought later or tomorrow, plus will give time for ppl to give thoughts (like toogeloo who was also defending Titus)

[Sakura Hana]

And yeah as math says, conf town does not equal confirmed right. It just means he's not trying to mislead us.

[Sakura Hana]

Btw, Apparently healing touch if used on a player on the night they are targeted by petrify, the petrification fails. So I thought of getting Healing Touch and using it that night coz i thought math who was unable to defend himself would be more likely to be shot out of the two of us.

[Sakura Hana]

I can only imagine the amount of BS flying around if Shiro were alive and had been negated...I imagine scum would see the same potential, so if scum had it I'd say it was Titus that had that power.

Titus cannot have Power Negate unless Math is scum, both confirmed to each other to have precog

[Sakura Hana]

I can only imagine the amount of BS flying around if Shiro were alive and had been negated...I imagine scum would see the same potential, so if scum had it I'd say it was Titus that had that power.

Titus cannot have Power Negate unless Math is scum, both confirmed to each other to have precog

Scum have daychat, Titus could have given powers to another person who picked up precog and was feeding info through scumchat.

Oh yeah i forgot about the fact that there could be a hidden person that has powers and is scum if Ank never got powers (which is about 95% likely with titus scum flip)

[Sakura Hana]

hmm yeah did Titus claim her team?

Yes her team was: FA, Math, Nancy, Shiro, Ank and herself, Ank also died that night so it's unconfirmed and since Titus was scum it's very unlikely that she did get any power.

[Sakura Hana]

Well Titus Leader happened BECAUSE we didnt set 2 ppl up for leadership during D1, and now scum has power.
And even with this people still refuse to follow something so simple.

[Sakura Hana]

oh yeah i voted math, but that was obvious.

[Sakura Hana]

I actually wanna lynch Kokichi now.

[Sakura Hana]

Something feels weird...

[Sakura Hana]

Ionno, but i HAVE been lacking sleep lately, and probably will continue until i finish La Mulana 2 anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

Well we can negate power negation now.
I asked the mod Super Strength bypasses Power Negation.

[Sakura Hana]

Btw, since im trying to finish LM2, I may dissapear for half of this day phase more or less, considering the rate at which new pages are added, i woke up and had a bunch of stuff to read that i didnt finish and went off to play LM2, instead, and just now finished catching up.

[Sakura Hana]

So my thinking is, scum should definitely have a way to bypass the impenetrable skin ability.
At this point, if everyone who is town and alive and has impenetrable skin (at least 4) gets super strength, scum cannot win, coz they cant kill them aside well... from lynching them.
Super Strength may strongman a factional kill tho.

P-Edit: What i mean is that if you use super strength at the same time as a superpower not even power negate on you (or your target) can prevent you from succesfully activating the ability.

[Sakura Hana]

The Blade that can cut through any shield.
The Shield that can withstand any weapon.

[Sakura Hana]

But nah explanation is simple
Power Negate is not actually negated just ignored/bypassed, so it still fires and cannot be modified in any way because it's super strengthened.
But the Super Strength BP ignores it and fires off anyway as well.

Power negate isnt blocked, actions targeting YOUR target will still fail, but your target's action will not coz they super strengthened.

As for the strongman nightkill with Super Strength, well same theory applies, your BP fires up anyway, but the super strength ignores it, if another source would kill you it still is blocked even tho you die from the original source anyway.

That's my assumption of how it would work.

Super Strength prevents ur action from being modified or blocked, but Super Strength technically doesnt block or modify power negate it just ignores it.

[Sakura Hana]

I could run for leader again if u guys want me to.
Although it's clear scum DOESNT want me to.
I picked BP last night btw, I changed my mind coz i thought scum would reverse psychology me, if i had have superpowers earlier i would've gone for HT and use BP, but oh well.
This also means that i can SS a BP tonight so scum wouldnt be able to power negate me unless they get SS and strongman me.

[Sakura Hana]

hmm ok.
Speaking of, im pretty sure Sando is very town.

[Sakura Hana]

I find it odd that I triggered FA so easily.
I also find it humorous that stun has got me at 100% scum locked.

I will be flipping town. Hold on to your butts.

Vote: Toogeloo

If you're town pls dont do this, we dont want the day to end early.
If you're scum then yeah you're doing a good job cutting discussion earlier.

[Sakura Hana]

Well good news, i finished the video game i was playing and now this game can get my full attention again.

[Sakura Hana]

After i catch up on my lack of sleep that is.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont really mind, but im quite curious about your wording there saying that my leadership

needs

to happen. Being a consensus townread is one thing, but that's more or less true for almost everyone in the townbloc, while i dont mind being leader candidate i dont see why my leadership should be any more or less warranted than say for example drixx from your PoV.