Looks like everyone has decided JJD is going down and that I should probably stop defending him because even he thinks it's suspicious.
Guess I should give up then.
LOL FUCK THAT
TIME TO DOUBLE DOWN
JarJarDrinks
Spoiler:
Justice ain't gonna dispense itself.
Abilities
Combat Roll -- Dodge Away from the Game when Scum is at L-1
Deadeye -- Demand claims from multiple people simultaneously
Flashbang -- Blinds himself from Golden Rob sheeping his votes half the game
Characteristic -- Full-blown COWBOY Town Syndrome:
Summary:
JJD remains town because JJD has been probable town since 2580.
If JJD is scum, he is a very greedy and reckless scum player. While possible for a scum powergamer, I find it unlikely.
JJD plays sub-optimally as town in such a way that it leads to more town information. The push for multiple claims in quick succession is meant to foster the town processing more information more quickly. In principle it is not unlike Creature playing musical chairs.
JJD's reactions today look like town trying to make sense of a confusing game state and not necessarily interested in pushing on the player that has spent the whole game townblocking herself to him.
Additional thoughts (not from quotes above):
JJD has been aggressively wrong in reads for mislynches, like in his case on Dunn. I feel like this is town-indicative.
Golden Robster
Spoiler:
Setup Quotes:
"The True Struggle is for the Superiority of Ideas"
Abilities:
Shadow Shift -- can vanish from the game when scum is put to L-1
Biotic Orb -- Golden Robster can Heal or Destroy her teammates. The question is... who are her teammates?
Summary:
I feel like for GR there is little evidence she is town because she is not town.
I feel like GR has been largely passive, and maintained a strategy this game of trying to townblock herself with JJD.
Other thoughts (not from quotes here):
I encourage you to look not just at Wheme and Texcat, but at how GR vs JJD pursued the case on Dunn.
JJD pushed very hard on Dunn because he believed he was likely to be scum and wanted credit for the lynch.
GR's push was significantly lighter, which seems more like someone interested in looking good than in someone pursuing a lead. GR on Dunn was scum posturing while setting up a mislynch.
In post 1343, Golden Robster wrote:ausuka outing as IC makes it super clear that there could be other power roles in the hood which makes them nk worthy from scum pov
why lynch them at our own cost?
What makes you think scum will kill in the hood? They certainly wouldn't want to if there is scum in the hood, because it would narrow the pool and expose the scum. Even if there is no scum in the hood, the paranoia about it distracts town enough that I would never kill there as scum.
In post 1348, Performer wrote:The risk of outing prs outside the hood, is substantial. Ausuka and I are pretty determined about wave.
I agree with Performer here. There
might
be PRs in the hood. But there are positively PRs outside the hood. We've already outed a claim (fake or not, at L-11) from Vax. Do we want to continue down that path?
Hey guys. The above 3 players each have < 15 posts total and if u ISO them, there is zero content in those few post.
And guess how many people are voting for them? Not a single one. Can we stop telling scum that if they want to win all they have to do is lurk?
I recomend everyone pick one.
VOTE: Andriod18
scummiest of the 3 IMO
I agree with lynching/pressuring lurkers. Wavemode was on that list before the wagon on him. He's only started posting in the last couple of days. I disagree that we have time to start a new wagon on another lurker. But btw out of that group, ArcAngel9 would be my vote. She came in, dropped a vote on Performer, and left without saying anything. But it makes me more confident that out of the Wave v Performer wagons, Wave is the better one.
This is a surprisingly fluffy post for texcat who did not do a lot of fluff, and it is a good sign I think that there is scum between GR and JJD. With GR there is nightkill speculation, which is a great way to say nothing in a large normal. You know, this is a little thing, but texcat also goes "you" to GR, but talks about performer to the crowd. Then the JJD response is all "I agree" or "I disagree." Not "you're right" or "you're wrong." It's kinda like texcat feels just a bit chattier/cool with GR.
In post 2337, texcat wrote:JarJar, Your reads list omitted Golden Robster, Hopkirk, Gamma, and Frozen Angel. Why did you omit those 4?
A list of FOUR. NO ONE DOES A LIST OF FOUR. LOOK AT IT. I mean I know it's the names omitted, but this post bothers me. I feel like the order of names was crafted to maximize the ability of this post to say nothing.
This is actually one of the posts that made me most confident in Texcat scum. This reaction seems fake, and it is at JJD. I feel like JJD is trying to softpush JJD and then agree with his reasoning. The question is, does Texcat do that to buddy, or to give herself permission to sheep her scumbuddy? Thinking about it postflip and post-tchill claim I've sort of reconsidered. Earlier this game I thought texcat was trying to kinda buddy JJD. But it also seems like texcat can't remember her stance toward JJD. Still, on the whole, I'd say you see this kind of interaction more often from Scum+Town rather than from Scum+Scum.
In post 2336, texcat wrote:Now that we have the Vax vig situation sorted out, it seems like A50 was the likely scum kill. I went back to look at A50 to see if there were any clues there. He had an early strong scum read on Edo, but I'm not sure it carried over to Gamma. Towards the end of the day, it looked like he wasn't reading because he voted Ausuka after the IC announcement. He voted Android, and he was pushing people to vote either Performer or Android, but at the very end of day he started thinking that they were both town and that scum had manipulated us into 2 town wagons. Ugh. It still looks like a vig kill.
it's not a vig kill
what do you think of a50 kill after reading his ISO?
can you talk to me about why you think scum would nk a50?
I thought I just did. Am I being that unclear? The simplest explanation for the kill is that scum did it. That's why I said he "was the likely scum kill". As for why, I didn't see any apparent reason (though I am always bad at picking out breadcrumbs), hence it still looked like a vig kill to me.
What do you think???
"What do you think???" to GR... why does Texcat use three quotation marks here. She doesn't do that anywhere else. It feels like she wants to play up her questioning of GR while giving her no pushback whatsoever.
In post 3549, Myloninja13 wrote:And I'd assume that there'd be at least a scum off the wagon and another near the end of it too.
nice I agree
mylon gets a pass d3
seriously? off of such a vanilla copypasta response? no thanks
I mean I agree with the reasoning so what's the problem?
giving a free pass to mylo because I don't SR him
do you SR mylo?
You mean that was not sarcasm? Some scum were on the wagon, and some scum were off the wagon. It's hard to disagree with that, but you give him a pass? You don't scum read him. Does that mean you're town reading him?
In the response to JJD, it feels like she is trying to discourage a town player who has townread a potential mislynch target. In the response to GR, it feels like she wants to ask questions without doing anything else. What are your townreads, what are your scumreads. Very neutral questions that indicate nothing about how texcat feels about GR.
Summary Comments:
There is way too much content here considering how little content there is from texcat overall. I feel like it is unlikely so much of texcat's iso would be directed exclusively at two of her scumbuddies. This is why I think it's important to get today's lynch correctly. I think it is unlikely both are scum, even if it is possible.
Compare the amount of interaction here to that with KK. (Who I'm starting to warm on the idea of being a buddy).
In post 2696, Dunnstral wrote:There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today
Sure there is. If he's scum, we force one of his buddies to commit to a mason claim today. They may be more hesitant to do it today because if one of them gets lynched/vigged/tracked/etc... then it leads right to the other player.
As we get closer to lylo, a scum buddy would be more likely to fakeclaim knowing that they only need 1 or 2 mislynches to win the game.
Forcing people to commit early means they are more likely to get caught. The more time that goes by, the easier it is for them to tell a lie to fit their narrative.
In post 2696, Dunnstral wrote:if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away
Terrible logic. I'm tired of explaining basic mafia principles to people.
The town is on a clock in mafia. They only have X amount of mislynches before they lose. Scum just needs to stall long enough to run out that clock. Everytime town mislynches they move closer to that clock running out.
So who cares is we "eventually" will figure it out? Scum doesnt need all their members to survive to endgame in order to win.
THERE IS ZERO BENEFIT TO NOT FORCING THE MASON CLAIM TODAY.
Holy this is obj town
I can see why people would take this as a scumbuddy backing off, but to me it seems more like a scum that has decided his mislynch target is too much work.
In post 3047, WhemeStar wrote:Ok so I’m caught up from my last catch up but my last catchup wasn’t fully caught up
Should I read those pages cause apparently everyone unvoted golden rob in those pages
if you're not invested into this game why did you join in the first place?
seem to have feelings about wagon on you except calling it garbo
Mod asked me to
Kinda more fluff post. Notice for everyone defending him it's "town town town" and shit like that, like he's worried he's going down and he wants to pollute the waters.
Notice how much SHIT Wheme says about JJD one way or the other, while really not commenting on Rob at all at this point. Just a few fluff posts earlier. Like he doesn't know how to interact with that slot.
In post 3442, WhemeStar wrote:Townreads - Creature, Dunn, golden robster, scioness sajj, Kublai (?)
Kublai weakest one because I’m not sure why I townreads him he just pings me that way
Scumreads- tehbrawlgiy, gamma, PP, lalendra
This post also lowkey points to KK being scum, but why the fuck is GR town if the wagon on him is garbo? Why no pushback?
Summary Comments:
Wheme has far too many interactions with JJD for JJD to be a likely scumbuddy. The interactions generally feel like SvT.
Wheme has fluff posts with GR and incoherent reactions to GR. Feels more like S+S to me.
Overall Summary:
Based on texcat iso, I find it most likely that there is only one scum between GR + JJD.
Based on isos of Texcat, Wheme, JJD, and GR, I feel like there is a lot more evidence that GR is scum than JJD.
I feel like JJD looks like town based on his iso.
Therefore I feel like GR is the best lynch for today.
Thank you for your time.
In post 6766, Tchill13 wrote:not sure why you "have trouble explaining thoughts" ank.
This stuff is great.
Because I've noticed most people need to be told and tend to tell their cases
I show and prefer to be shown and in general my reads are explainable in general terms a lot more than in specifics since I rarely use specific wordings as a way of reading people
That isn't convincing to a lot of people on the site
In post 6889, Golden Robster wrote:if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after
So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?
After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?
I find it really hard to believe that town!you makes this argument after pushing both Dunn and I for our roles in the Wheme lynch. It's just too blatantly hypocritical. I don't buy it. Scum!you doesn't care about hypocrisy and is willing to throw whatever at the wall hoping for something to stick.
I also find it hard to believe that town!you spends most of his day today defending himself instead of attempting to make a solid push on someone else. Your argument is that you're kind of out of it, but you weren't disengaged after Lala ML, and you weren't disengaged after Dunn ML either. We finally hit Scum again and only then you're meh on the gamestate?
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In post 6889, Golden Robster wrote:if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after
So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?
After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?
I find it really hard to believe that town!you makes this argument after pushing both Dunn and I for our roles in the Wheme lynch. It's just too blatantly hypocritical. I don't buy it. Scum!you doesn't care about hypocrisy and is willing to throw whatever at the wall hoping for something to stick.
I also find it hard to believe that town!you spends most of his day today defending himself instead of attempting to make a solid push on someone else. Your argument is that you're kind of out of it, but you weren't disengaged after Lala ML, and you weren't disengaged after Dunn ML either. We finally hit Scum again and only then you're meh on the gamestate?
Yeah that does look pretty shifty tbh
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In post 6888, Golden Robster wrote:How have I been passive and why does townblocking with JJD make me scum?
phone posting right now since no access to com
Good questions. But if you are town then there were 0 scum off the wagon which sounds like bs to me.
Why wouldn't you hard defend? You yourself explained how you were in a position of power. In any case "why would scum hard defend" is wifom. What makes no sense is why you spent half the dayphase questioning and throwing shade at texcat but then suddenly hard defended. I think the hard defense on its own is NAI but the incoherence of your position on tex is scummy. I also think it was weird that for as hard as your defense was you never said tex was town. Like you look at tbg or ank on dunn and theyre like dont lynch this its town. So your hard defense wasnt a hard defense even. It was scummy misdirection and inconsistent with your positions this game.
In post 6889, Golden Robster wrote:if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after
So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?
After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?
I find it really hard to believe that town!you makes this argument after pushing both Dunn and I for our roles in the Wheme lynch. It's just too blatantly hypocritical. I don't buy it. Scum!you doesn't care about hypocrisy and is willing to throw whatever at the wall hoping for something to stick.
huh no that isn't my argument. not all. I completely agree and was pointing out the hypocrisy myself.
The words you bolded aren't mine. I was quoting GR and showing that he's voting for me even though he's saying that he should be townread for the same reason.
In post 6889, Golden Robster wrote:if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after
So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?
After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?
I find it really hard to believe that town!you makes this argument after pushing both Dunn and I for our roles in the Wheme lynch. It's just too blatantly hypocritical. I don't buy it. Scum!you doesn't care about hypocrisy and is willing to throw whatever at the wall hoping for something to stick.
huh no that isn't my argument. not all. I completely agree and was pointing out the hypocrisy myself.
The words you bolded aren't mine. I was quoting GR and showing that he's voting for me even though he's saying that he should be townread for the same reason.
Oh, I see, mb.
The second part of my post still stands, though.
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About throwing shit against the wall? Yeah I guess I'm fine w/ whatever ends up getting someone else* lynched at this point since there's a chance they could be scum and there's a zero percent chance that I am.
Thanks. 