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here’s the problem with profii!town
scum likes to give information instead of analysis —> i have been caught doing this in transformers mafia by ircher. titus!scum in heroes wanted mafia did this with a VCA, and eventually we lynched there correctly. profii’s list posts read in such a manner, like when he looked at the votes of every player, he did not draw any real conclusions from that.
scum likes to favor possibility over probability, rather going with the improbable stance regarding the game. profii has done that.
scum will opportunistically join lynchwagons. this can be seen in several instances from profii’s votes on D1, and concerning both of the lynchwagons that formed that he joined —> both town btw —> aronis and creature.
scum will disregard someone sticking up for themselves if said player is town —> of course you would have to trust that i am town here to see this.
scum would probably doubtcast as many players as they possibly can, profii apparently did not have trust in any of shoshin, creature or aronis in spite of giving shoshin a town badge early d1 but then retracting it later.
scum would post a list of their partner’s reads upholding theirs, but not give any details in their thought processes. profii did this with flavor’s reads. and guess what, lolol flavor said maria and shoshin “could be scum” - that was the hardest scum stance there. idk how both of them could have scumread shoshin, especially if they have had experience with her. it’s super clear if you have even played one game with her. notice how i never once wavered on that read.
scum would mess around and not give solid reads directly when they are a possible lynch profii —> profii did this d1.
scum would distract away from their lynch by asking questions about who their partner would be. profii did this d1, as his lynchwagon was forming.-
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this is what i was talking about d1 btw.In post 344, northsidegal wrote:is this something i can townread profii off of? historically i think i'm pretty bad at reading profii so i don't think i'm really one to ask when it comes to sorting his slot but reading through i felt like having the theories was a towntell (even though that was something i got falsely townread for as scum in my first scumgame). eh.-
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it can be good for a townlean perhaps depending on the situation, but a townread over mechanics is often too strongIn post 2568, northsidegal wrote:are you trying to say that reading people based off of their content is any different for this, or indeed any less of these? because i would argue the exact opposite.
mathblade and nancydrew manipulated the heck out of this aspect of the game in heroes wanted mafia.-
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@koki: there is a very slight chance you are scum with profii. i am not trusting of it to the point where i can completely guarantee nico is scum with profii, especially when the basis of my anti-associative for you is the fact that both you and profii have question townreads on each other, which why do that if you are scum together?
maria is just not scum with profii. if rc and profii was s vs. s, then there goes decency in trying to manipulate your way to a win!
scum taking me to lylo completely depends on me being townIn post 1200, profii wrote:
ugh, no, you were saying the other day you couldnt be bothered to fight GIF either...In post 1197, stungun0404 wrote:
attacking this, but not voting this IS SCUMMY.In post 854, profii wrote:
Actually this is scummyIn post 843, GirlInFreezer wrote:if you're town and saying that 'you do not think that i am all that town' then you are still acknowledging that I am towny and choosing to ignore it for whatever policy shit you're bringing into this game
you're sure enough that I'm town to trade your life on my townflip and also to be ignored when you inevitably claim jailkeeper to out the town one, be our guest.
This infers you are not the JK
You should know better than to narrow down the JK hunt
You did it anyway
Ergo, this is a scummy post
if you drive this mislynch through i hope you are the JK becausescum are taking you to lylo in this game...
then he votes me his next post. doesn’t even discuss me being scummy, but still votes me.
In post 1201, profii wrote:VOTE: stungun
still willing to vote aronis or creature but stungun is very very lost rn-
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the fact that neither shoshin or i ever felt concerned about any townreads on nico is indicating to me that she might be town. profii’s townread on her just didn’t make me feel about nico as much as it did about profii. it’s more a concern of if nico!scum, then why does nico!town seem so plausible relative to the other remaining players for me.In post 2586, Kokichi Oma wrote:Not only is it posts from this game but the meta I showed as to why Nico is highly likely scum. I don't see any reason hy you have Nico as your highest townread right now when I've called out that she's way more defensive as town.-
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shoshin and i both demonstrated concern about townreads on a). kokichi and b). profii
i have on maria from kokichi - i am not sure if that points towards koki scum or maria scum fmpov.
my last town game, heroes wanted, i demonstrated concern on the townreads of 6 players the entire game. 4 of those 6 were the only 4 scum i was in the game with, so that turned out very accurate.
i only demonstrated concern about a townread on momrangal in american president’s mafia. she was scum
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of course i replaced out of american president’s mafia early on d1, but still managed to get that in.
in a marathon game, i questioned one townread that was placed on the worst, the worst was scum.
so from what i recall, 6/8 players i have questioned townreads on have been scum, or 75%. that is not bad-
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VOTE: Profii
not willing to comprise with nico, koki, because look what i did d1. i compromised for aronis, and guess what: that townflipped —> so i have to trust my instincts here when i find a player that is far and away scummier than the rest.
but reading end of d2 now!
interesting, you’ve considered the same situation with me today as shoshin yesterday. this should be signaling to you, then, since you were wrong there that perhaps one of your townreads is wrong (hint: profii)!In post 1751, northsidegal wrote:anyways, on an unrelated note, not sure why i should be townreading shoshin. from the very beginning i kind of just took it as a granted but looking back on his posts right now (and especially those from today), i realize that i was giving out far too easy of a townread.-
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In post 1784, Kokichi Oma wrote:Ok Maria is scum nevermind. No way she votes me as town here everIn post 1785, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: Maria
If you lynch me. LYNCH MARIA TOMORROW. FOR ONCE TRUST ME ON MY READ ON HER
this transition was change, but not necessarily scum indicative. what was your thought process here, kokichi?In post 1798, Kokichi Oma wrote:Sadly. Maria is town.-
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terrible response to shoshin here, becahse genuine reason to scum read does not necessary equal uninformed perspective. in fact, scum can come off as having a genuine reason to scum read someone, so i don’t get how you would derive an uninformed perspective out of that. it seems to have been a misrep of what shoshin saidIn post 1929, profii wrote:for example, this is absolutely horrendous in my opinion, so let's break it down:
1. NSG saying that I'm scummy because of content is bullshit. My content is fine.
There is a theme in your ISO where you are not appearing interested in other players world views and just want to impose your opinion - e.g. why does you think my content is scummy vs my content is fine are worlds apart.
2. She suspects me because I'm not around, period. Saying otherwise is bullshit.
NSG is right - if you find NSG scummy, any reason NSG has posted is therefore fabricated as she is informed already. Therefore you saying she has a genuine reason to scum read you means NSG is uninformed, ergo, town.
3. And so is her read on Profii. I don't see how she's townreading that.
1869 you say NSG is town reading me, 1923, NSG could be null on me - get your stance on what you think NSG is actually doing clear please-
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i spot a naughty misrep in just about every post you make, lol, so idk why or where you think to point out a notion where mine are ever naughtiest?In post 2604, profii wrote:I just spotted a naughty mis rep in one of stuns posts
NSG mentioned making massive cases about everyone is necessarily town indicative
Given we may be waiting another week for NSG can anyone else confirm that?
for the record,no oneremaining can really attest for my townplay except maybe kokichi but only if koki ever looked at my heroes wanted iso—but then again he really did not keep up with that game. creature and shoshin could have, but they are dead. irrelephant could —> shoshins friemd. tw could through nicorobin if nico cared enough about this game.
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yeah, i already said this. did you read before posting this?In post 2603, profii wrote:Gamma flipped town-
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hey, i joined that wagon for a bit to start this day phase.In post 2599, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Nothing really. I think it's more paranoia. The fact that you won't lynch NicoIn post 2598, stungun0404 wrote:@koki, what, if anything, strikes you as town about profii?
you never really pushed profii besides slight push end of day before going straight to creature wagon.
i just replaced in for a nico!town slot in heroes wanted which lurked out, so then it’s credible i am town that was defending her meta early on having just replaced in for in a game where i could sense she was town, right?
tbf, she is not clear town here like she was there, but sth just won’t allow me to settle on nico!scum rn-
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hmm, koki is very likely town. his reactions after both the town lynchwagons are far and away the most uninformed and towniest to my eyes simply looking at the reactions after townplayers were lynched.
i might be swayed to vote nico. if i can guarantee koki!town, i am absolutely voting there because maria and profii scum team seems theoretically impossible to me.-
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i absolutely agree with what koki said. at this point, i have enough confidence about koki being town to be sure i feel confident about nico being lynched and flipping scum — regardless of which is scum between maria and profii— though i seriously lean towards profii there. it seems nsg would prefer that over profii, so...
VOTE: Nico
and i also echo that it is pointless for us to be waiting so much right now, but that it is urgent we know what nsg does so she needs to check in again!
some of us would like this game to like not last... forever. i see there are like 4 games (micros 817-820) in the micro queue that started after us and finished before us. kind of a sign this game is dragging on too long-
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kokichi, I would like you to search my ISO and use the find function in your browser on PAGE 3 of my iso specifically and tell me if that changes your perspective of nico and I being a possible pair, also considering that the majority of that was this day phase.
if I must be jk'd, i'll be jk'd, but I don't want to be a mislynch because scum pulls another no kill.-
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looking specifically for mentions of "nico" I forgot to addIn post 2660, stungun0404 wrote:kokichi, I would like you to search my ISO and use the find function in your browser on PAGE 3 of my iso specifically and tell me if that changes your perspective of nico and I being a possible pair, also considering that the majority of that was this day phase.
if I must be jk'd, i'll be jk'd, but I don't want to be a mislynch because scum pulls another no kill.-
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80% profiiIn post 2663, Kokichi Oma wrote:Going into tomorrow stun if nico flips scum, what's your percentage on who her partner is between prof and maria.
20% maria
I remember maria early this day phase wanting to avoid the nico lynch until we steadied on it iirc, and she wanted to be JK but then backed off with her vote because rc wanted her to wait. it was a very strange way to handle things. meanwhile, I lingered on the wagon for like 2 days roughly.-
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why am I asking this for a pair? it's usually nonsensical for a scum player to question a townread on another scumplayerIn post 1634, stungun0404 wrote:i actually like creature’s response here myself as well. ugh, who even is scum then?
@creature, just so i know before deciding to unvote you, why do you think nico “feels” town?-
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wouldn't ask about a policy lynch on a prospective partnerIn post 1856, stungun0404 wrote:creature, what are your thoughts on nico? would you encourage a policy lynch there right now if it happened?
I was also the first to seriously consider nico!scum this day phase in my 2050: why make the case I made there in MYLO if we are partners?-
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In post 2052, stungun0404 wrote:here’s a question: if nicorobin is town, then why has every attempt at a wagon on her so far died down without much discussion when she could be easily utilized for a mislynch option among the active players?
profii + nico is really starting to make a lot of sense here
2 other posts this day phase that are nonsensical if nico + stun team were the case.In post 2054, stungun0404 wrote:i feel nico!scum is the best lynch option today. we could perhaps even get profii to join it, meanwhile nico will not join a profii wagon.
kokichi and maria, you guys can join this wagon whenever, but just maybe wait until after nsg pops in?!
if you assume kokichi!town, nico is 100% of the time scum here, and vice versa. why? maria and profii are not partners. besides, look at how difficult both of the last 2 lynchwagons have been to obtain.
this is only explainable by at least one scum not actively helping us with the lynches, because if they were a big force with these town mislynches, we would not have to wait until deadline to get a lynch. town by themselves does not tend to settle on a town mislynch wagon that forms quickly, and if such a thing happened then scum would be actively helping us. given we have not seen that therefore we can conclude at least one scum has been stalling with their voting pattern in some way. thus, one of the players that have been more stubborn with casting votes in a reluctant sort of sense and that has been voteparking on particular players must universally be scum. this means one of kokichi or nico is virtually guaranteed to flip scum. i really think it’s nico right now.
i feel secure enough voting nico right now, and i kinda want this game to end so i can focus more on my college work, so i’m almost to the point where i want to vote nico rn
that good enough to ease your worries koki? like sure, if that scenario comes --> nsg can jail me if you are certain you think it is the best move, but knowing I am town I would heavily discourage it.-
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one last thing... i swear!In post 1114, NicoRobin wrote:
Seems like you already decided that I should be lynched regardless of what I say, which is scummy.In post 1112, Aronis wrote:That's why a policy lynch isn't that bad of an idea even if it's not my first choice
I have my vote.
VOTE: Aronis
nico voteparked on me for 8 days (from August 4th to August 12th) on D1 until she moved to aronis, all the while i was being considered a lynchwagon and was taken to L-2 twice, which was super strange and lowkey scumpinged me at the time but i never did anything about it until now :-/
she was the first or second vote on my wagon, I cannot recall which off the top of my head, but she joined it on its second rendition.-
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there should be nothing more to wait on.
day phase ends in 4 days, 19 hours so just note that!
nico i feel confident will flip scum, especially with my confidence is koki!town. as i arranged the scumpools earlier today, i was pretty confident scum was one of {profii, maria} + one of {koki, nico}, but with koki being confident town that means nico is scum.-
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that’s a scum suggestion to distract off nico’s wagon, because puh-lease you can’t be that certain nico is town if town. no lynches hurt town more often than they help them.In post 2687, profii wrote:In fact a no lynch is a better choice than Nico now
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a). i’ll worry about that when and if the time comesIn post 2688, profii wrote:A question for stun
Let’s say I hammer rn
If Nico flipped town, you would agree that makes me mechanically proven town? I know it doesn’t matter because scum are odds on to NK and win it but humour me and tell me you can see that?
because b). it seems like you are trying to distract me off nico’s lynchwagon
with c). evidence that really would not conftown you. sure you’d look townier, but it does not conftown you, so i refuse to be distracted by that rn-
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here’s the deal
aronis found profii and nico to be scum, and maria/koki/myself towny; most of all myself, second of all koki/maria.
creature thought profii was town at the end, thought one of {nicorobin/koki; leaning towards nico at the end} + maria was potential scumteam, thought i was town along with profii.
shoshin thought profii was scum. shoshin thought i was town, as well as maria. she had no real opinion on nico, but discouraged what creature said about policy lynching her.
nsg has never seriously settled on nico!town.
i discounted on a few occasions, but never really strongly townread nico.
neither of maria/koki, who i presume to be town atm, ever strongly tr nico.
only profii. how is this confidence meter being upheld right now? logic i cannot understand at a fundamental level.
so nico has by and large not been heavily townread to the point of wanting to no lynch by any flipped town—or other players we’d possibly assume to be town. i have no idea where profii is getting this idea from, but it is unsettling. aronis would have thought profii and nico scumteam made sense, and maybe shoshin too if she knew nsg was town. as for creature, he could see nico scum, so that’s a wise lynch choice today; but dismissed profii thinking he was town for reasons i never fully grasped.-
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how do you have me above nico here?In post 2465, profii wrote:nsg
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maria
whilst i think that is game solve, ill let JK sort you/nico as i dont really know
if stun is scum before maria he has played the clueless townie well and duped me but there must be scum in {me/stun/maria} as i know im town and there hasnt been a rush so i suggest the lynch should be within us 3
your town lean on maria is what puts you below nico in my list
and now you are voting me? i have not sensed how town!you would flip that drastically so quickly, therefore it seems unnatural when my primary thing right now is pushing the nico lynch through, then worrying about you afterwards
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i cannot understand fundamentally how both you and nico would be town. it makes zero sense, because i’d have to completely assume maria and koki are partners, but then koki is towny as i have figured out and maria —> meh, but probs town. point is, i really don’t think koki is scum rn.
one at most can be scum, because i know i am not scum. ergo, at least one of you or nico is 100% flipping scum. and well, i think it is both of you as i have already mentioned, but nico has the higher chance because profii/maria does not make a damn bit of sense. so either it is profii/nico or maria/nico fmpov. 100% of the time there you can see nico is scum.
i am about 99% sure you are just the partner of nico, because a). you made a post that looked like potential chainsaw hacking at me voting her d1 when she could defend herself, b). you have a very scummy resume, and c). you are literally the only one that would dare support a no lynch to save her.
last game i was in, in fact, when nancydrew!scum felt her faction might be in danger, she aggressively pushed for a no lynch.
you are pushing for a no lynch over nico. in what sense is that towny when you have very little reasoning attributed to why you are townfending her so hard? you have not given us much reasoning other than it would not make sense for her to change her meta for one game — but that is weak at best when in fact her gameplay here has resembled that in content of another one i mentioned earlier. i genuinely do not see how town ever adopts the stances you are taking right now, ergo occam’s razor in my mind is to assume you are scum.-
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^ still could be you and maria
but regardless you are pretty much scum fmpov, because koki is very lilely town and profii and maria are not scum together. must i repeat this ad finitum? can you directly attack koki’s post-lynch reactions if you genuinely think she is scum since you voted him before me, and like your only other 2 players you voted were aronis and nsg who are both like conftown now
and you voteparked on me too of course d1
so i see nothing town about where or when you voted
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it’s bs when i can confidently assign that you are scum going for my lynch right now because you think it is the most likely
this is not much better than me simply asking you to lay a vote down on d1, and you responding by voting me? who comes off scummier? you or i? clearly you. i am asking you to place a vote down for info purposes because you had not for so long d1, and plus i was voting. what that tells me is you had no des to sort players, because well you are scum. especially since you lingered on me for 8 days as i was mislynch bait with a vote only responding to me asking you to vote-
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ebwopIn post 2725, stungun0404 wrote:it’s bs when i can confidently assign that you are scum going for my lynch right now because you think it is the most likely town one to occur.
this is not much better than me simply asking you to lay a vote down on d1, and you responded by voting me? who comes off scummier? you or i? clearly you. i asked you to place a vote down for info purposes because you had not for so long d1, and plus i and everyone else had voted. what that tells me is you had no desire to sort players, because well you are scum. especially since you lingered on me for 8 days as i was mislynch bait with a vote only responding to me asking you to vote-
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putting this in bold so it stands out in reliefIn post 2719, stungun0404 wrote:nsg, what say you?
are you willing to hammer nico? because it seems we have reached a standstill where otherwise things will not go any other way.
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i know i am town,
so for me to assume koki and maria are scum together is nonsensical. why? because i’d have to assume koki!scum after these posts following the first two town lynchwagons
day 1: aronis gets lynched,
afterwards koki’s responses:
this is either scum playing out a complete day by wifom’ing a choice and picking a townplayer in the process, or town trying to suggest who they could see as a scum partner.In post 1355, Kokichi Oma wrote:If this flips scum, I'd be jailing creature. If I'm jk that is.
easier answer: town
this is either scum rementioning a strategy i stated earlier in the thread recently won a game in LYLO for me before the night phase, or town repeating it because they want it to sink in the heads of the jk.In post 1363, Kokichi Oma wrote:If he flips town I'm doccing. If I'm JK
tbf, this is kinda moot with the no kill, but still i do not think scum repeats this, then there is d2 which i will bring into consideration here in a sec.
i think koki!scum just shuts up after a town lynch-
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after creature lynch d2, also a townflip:
fooled into thinking creature!scum perhaps because he scumclaimed? note: koki does bot even consider if creature flips town. i think that is a genuine town reaction there. also already gives an idea of where he stands today, so consistency there.In post 1994, Kokichi Oma wrote:Jail profil. If last scum isnt prof it's in Nico and NSG
this would be scum further playing the game to completeness. genuinely would he expect anyone as scum to be looking into posts like these? ergo, the consistency of this is what makes koki look very town to me.In post 1995, Kokichi Oma wrote:I think creature is trying to wifom us saying his partner is a townread but I think its someone we sr.-
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except that does not take into account that you two have been defending each other since d1
i literally have only really defended koki at all this day phase once i figured he was town.
it’s easy to dismiss posts like that as wifom, but scum typically is not thorough enough to make posts like that, and if they are then props to them, koki earned this win anyway because all considered he really is not that scummy-
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because they only have one partner the entire game, and no one wants to be operating alone as scum.
2 scum in a micro tend to bond together and only bus if absolutely necessary and it can be pulled off without the other being endangered
you two have been suspected together since d1, so obviously you could not pull of the bussing strategy.-
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No. You are not allowed to read me off an aspect of my meta unless you take other aspects of my meta into account too, like me being useless as town.[/quote]
except, ididtake into account the entirety of your meta. stockport is a huge exception, and your only other micro game iirc, where you basically played like you have played here in terms of content. ergo, content in a micro-sized game would not be a complete assessment for you without giving special consideration to your only other scum micro. you are stretching here to make your point, when in fact i gave considerable detail to your meta style at an earlier point-
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In post 2751, profii wrote:In post 2701, stungun0404 wrote:fine, i agree not to lynch profii if nico flips townIn post 2745, stungun0404 wrote:because they only have one partner the entire game, and no one wants to be operating alone as scum.
2 scum in a micro tend to bond together and only bus if absolutely necessary and it can be pulled off without the other being endangered
you two have been suspected together since d1, so obviously you could not pull of the bussing strategy.
Wait I should just bus my scum mate Nico because I got a town pass from Stun right here!
IFnico flips town
not if she flips scum
therefore, you are trying to feign as though you are not reading here in an attempt to look town. at least that is how my lens see things rn
like everything just makes sense with a scum nico and a scum profii.-
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