Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Jingle]

Oh, and Niska isn't a good lyncher for Mal, Saffron makes way more sense. Niska lets Zoe choose Mal or Wash.

[Jingle]

Oh, btw. Figured out Chickadee=River awhile ago.

I thought everyone had. It seemed pretty obvious that that's why she's getting visions instead of hard facts.

Unless of course she's scum, in which case she's got me fooled.

[Jingle]

Enabler then rest of town, or rest of town then enabler? Hmmm.

Probably rest of town then enabler. The enabler claim itself should limit the fakeclaim potential immensely.

Buj would go last.

So presumptive order would be Chara, CT, RR, RK, Buj based on my reads.

LR could be a fakeclaim, but that's a ballsy ass fakeclaim. Maybe Mr. Universe if we have 10 town? Does that actually mesh? Clearly I was wrong about the it has to be 3's spec given Thor's flip, so I suppose a 10v3v1v1v2 isn't out of the question. Nor is 10v3v1v1v1v1, I suppose. So probably lynch Toog last out of the claims that don't fit, just in case he's town.

Buj is pretty assuredly not group scum. Buj death probably solves Mala, but won't come until we're sure we can still win at that point.

Mala, would appreciate your weigh in on all of this. Actually, same to everyone. Do we want to try for the flavor solve via 1v1s at this point?

[Tails]

If she's scum, she's playing a brilliant and dangerous game. Not interested in that, though. That can be figured out later.

Jingle, how much experience do you have with Nancy? This goes for just about anyone, tbh.

[Tails]

I've had Elsa pegged as a possible SK for awhile. Ascetic + BP has 3rd party scum written all over. And if she's another Reaver, that matches with Thor's Commuter ability.

[Tails]

That messes with my spec, though. Multiple Reavers or SKs?

[Jingle]

Oh, because it might be relevant that I'm trustworthy, consider this:

I claimed mason with 0 pressure on me and little pressure on my mason buddy Day 2 in response to what I viewed as a mason soft. I clearly had prepared said claim since literally the page I replaced in. I did so despite this game being likely multiball, meaning I would be likely to draw a bullet if I was fakeclaiming. I did so despite the flavor of the game meaning a mason pair was likely. Why does this sequence of events make any sense from a scum player?

[Jingle]

If she's scum, she's playing a brilliant and dangerous game. Not interested in that, though. That can be figured out later.

Jingle, how much experience do you have with Nancy? This goes for just about anyone, tbh.

I think she was in Team Mafia. I know I've read a couple games she was in, but not for her alignment, so who the hell knows.

Math I'd like to think I can read after spectating quite a few games though. Think Titus but slightly less moonlogicky and slightly more deathtunnelly. Also, may or may not have picked up on one of my genuine scumtells.

[Tails]

I've played with Math before. They will oppose mass claim regardless of alignment. I'm just wondering how confident Nancy feels playing by herself as different alignments. How she claimed yesterday felt off, and then there was the immediate return to being a hydra after she started that dumpster fire. I'm just wondering if that might be indicative of alignment or null.

[Jingle]

That messes with my spec, though. Multiple Reavers or SKs?

Ridiculous numbers of Shoot or Save Self roles does make sense as far as the nights of no kill roles go.

Funnily enough, EJ's play makes perfect sense from an actual survivor.

And whether Math endorses it is entirely beside the point. If it gets that far he won't really have a choice.

I'm more interested in the almost certainly town opinions, GE's opinion, and mala's opinion. (Yours also really doesn't matter, tbh.)

[Tails]

I think I've made my thoughts on the matter clear.

[Jingle]

Well, I'm going to bed now. I'll be back to decide how much I want to effort tomorrow.

[Reasonably Rational]

I protected Chickadee last night.

Also looked at VCs. Pretty sure RR is last HoB, but I think you guys need the visual evidence to understand why. One sec.

Nice scum claim. Someone killed Thor. Thor's kill is missing. Where did it go? The obvious place is where you claim to have been a BG, so why are you alive?

Spoiler: Some D2 VCs

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With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

NicoRobin (1):

Elsa Jay (2018),

McMenno (1):

CheekyTeeky (2024),

Not voting (14):

Thor665,

Toogeloo,

NicoRobin,

Chara,

Nancy Drew Shogunate,

Chickadee,

Flicker,

Jingle,

BuJaber,

McMenno,

Reasonably Rational,

Malakittens,

Gamma Emerald,

northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

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With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

NicoRobin (1):

Elsa Jay (2018),

McMenno (1):

CheekyTeeky (2024),

BuJaber (1):

Toogeloo (2049),

Not voting (13):

Thor665,

Jingle,

Chara,

Nancy Drew Shogunate,

Chickadee,

Flicker,

NicoRobin,

BuJaber,

McMenno,

Reasonably Rational,

Malakittens,

Gamma Emerald,

northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (3):	CheekyTeeky (2024),	Elsa Jay (2079),	BuJaber (2082),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),
BuJaber (1):	Toogeloo (2049),
Not voting (10):	Jingle,	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Nancy Drew Shogunate,	Chickadee,	McMenno,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (3):	CheekyTeeky (2024),	Elsa Jay (2079),	BuJaber (2082),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),
Not voting (10):	Jingle,	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	McMenno,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (5):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (2):	CheekyTeeky (2024),	BuJaber (2082),
Not voting (9):	Jingle,	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (6):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),	CheekyTeeky (2221),
McMenno (1):	BuJaber (2082),
northsidegal (1):	Jingle (2223),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (4):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2273),
northsidegal (1):	Jingle (2223),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Flicker (2268),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (4):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2273),
Malakittens (2):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),
Reasonably Rational (1):	Jingle (2349),
Not voting (6):	NicoRobin,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (4):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2273),
Malakittens (2):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),
Not voting (7):	NicoRobin,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (4):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Elsa Jay (2445),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),
Not voting (7):	NicoRobin,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (6):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Elsa Jay (2445),	Gamma Emerald (2482),	Chickadee (2517),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),
Not voting (5):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (6):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Elsa Jay (2445),	Gamma Emerald (2482),	Chickadee (2517),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),
Not voting (5):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (7):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Gamma Emerald (2482),	Chickadee (2517),	McMenno (2535),	Toogeloo (2539),
McMenno (1):	BuJaber (2082),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Aristophanes (1):	CheekyTeeky (2555),
Not voting (6):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (5):	Chara (2395),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Chickadee (2517),	McMenno (2535),	Toogeloo (2539),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2609),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Not voting (7):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),	Gamma Emerald (2596),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (4):	Chara (2395),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),	Toogeloo (2539),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2609),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),	Gamma Emerald (2596),	Chickadee (2662),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2609),	Flicker (2613),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
NicoRobin (1):	Toogeloo (2743),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),	Gamma Emerald (2596),	Chickadee (2662),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (4):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	CheekyTeeky (2779),	Chickadee (2780),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2774),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Not voting (5):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),	Gamma Emerald (2596),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (5):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	CheekyTeeky (2779),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2774),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Not voting (4):	Tails,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (4):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2774),
Malakittens (1):	McMenno (2535),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Tails (1):	CheekyTeeky (2829),
Not voting (4):	Tails,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (4):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
McMenno (4):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),	CheekyTeeky (2867),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Malakittens (1):	McMenno (2535),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Not voting (4):	Tails,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (6):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),	CheekyTeeky (2867),	Chara (2905),	Jingle (2933),
Toogeloo (3):	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Aristophanes (1):	McMenno (2884),
Tails (1):	Reasonably Rational (2914),
Not voting (3):	Tails,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes (2912),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

Those are all the D2 VCs up until after I replaced in, so halfway through the day. Wagons go Nancy>Mala>Toog>McMenno. I entered in around the time things were shifting off of Toog, stating an intention to sheep. It's only after I entered and caused a ruckus that RR places their first vote and starts hard pushing my wagon. This was also when McMenno became the dominant wagon. And I looked back into D1 VCs, and they weren't hard pushing the slot like they said they were. Instead, they were on Flicker.

Read our ISO and stop bullshitting. I'm going to seriously just remove filters and start talking to you like you deserve if you keep making shit up. I literally dived into the thread near the end of day 1 in order to drop the info that I was convinced that NicoRobin (your predecessor on the slot) was scum. You can whinge all you want about votes but this entire game knows us and trying to push the idea that we weren't scum reading your slot prior to your entry because a vote wasn't there is horse shit and scummy as fuck.

ESPECIALLY

because we already had this conversation yesterday.

Know who

else

I dove into the thread to post they were scum in case we got killed off? Thor. Know who else you can read in our hydra PT after the game I was on to from the moment they replaced in? LE.

You're more scummy from your entrance into today than all the small bits of evidence yesterday. Reading through all that bullshit made me slightly nauseated. That wasn't even close to good or plausible thought processes. Literally the only good play you made in all of that was to come after us instead of an easier target, and even that's a shit play because it's just OMGUS.

~D

[RightKnight]

So are you doubting Chickadee's results or are you just trying to get rid of some town to make things more interesting for yourself?

I don't think Chick's result is a clear or a guilty. S'why I wanted to be investigated.

More to the point, I have narrowed down the last HoB to a pool of 5 players (at least in my humble opinion). I was townreading two of them. One of the others told me the last was not a Menno partner and I have no reason to disbelieve the argument because it's either true or the person asserting it has no reason to lie.

Now, I should go through and reread you. I should go through and reread Menno, NDS and company, Chara, CT, and RR as well. But all of the little evidence points to you, I know you're capable of pulling my heartstrings to not want to lynch you, and the people I trust most say it's probably you. So I'm being lazy.

If I thought there wasn't a large chance of you flipping scum here, I wouldn't vote you.

You do get points for going after RR instead of RK, though.

Anyone, ISOing McMenno could clearly see that he was pushing us, so the only way we could possibly be the remaining HoB, is if you think McMenno was bussing us.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

Interesting. Was TPFKAP possibly distancing here?

Like, just look at this, let's even accept that Nancy honestly thought TPFKAP knew exactly who their teammates were.
Is she *agreeing* that this is distancing?
Is she *disagreeing*?
Is she discussing her personal thoughts on anything?
Or is she making noise and hoping someone else will attack a slot for something?

Pedit: I am fine with you not wanting to mine. But at that stage YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN THE DEBATE AS FAR AS IT CAN GO BECAUSE BUJABER ISN'T GOING TO CLAIM SCUM IF HE'S FAKING HIS THEORY.

I agree you can decided this for yourself and get back to us - I fail to see the point of the debate in helping you, he stated his theory, you noted your hole - thus endeth the excitement.

Sheep me on Nancy Drew?

She’s a Martyr. Isn’t that the definition of a martyr? They know who their teammates are but not the other way around? I know that was the case for scum!Wisdom in Labrynth.

I don't believe you're just playing dumb... I've only seen one player be this tonedeaf about roles

VOTE: nancy drew shogunate

sorry for not being "in"to this game, some rough days

sorry I'm not really "in" to well like, life, right now

my reads are about as solid as a jelly pudding

I don't have any hard townreads

mala, nsg, cheeky, the other n shogunate??? are all like. bad. kill them

[RightKnight]

You do get points for going after RR instead of RK, though.

RK's claim doesn't really make sense to me, but I don't think they're Menno's partner. So not really interested in there right now.

What about it doesn’t make sense to you? We enable an important town utility. It would obviously make perfect sense to you and everyone else in the game, if we fullclaimed but I’m trying not to increase our odds of being NK’d.

I don’t know much about the story, so I have no idea, which character makes sense with my role. Maybe Chick checking us, would help clarify that?

~N

Tora actually did watch Firefly, unfortunately I am not currently in contact with him and never asked him if he had any ideas on what our flavour could possibly be. :/

[RightKnight]

m

Gamma- Zoe
Jingle- Wash
Ari- Jayne
Flicker- Book
River- Chick
Mal- Buj?
Simon- Presumed Protective
Kaylee-
Inara-

If Elsa's town Inara would make the most sense. If you're town you'd pretty much have to be Simon, which would mean that there's no additional protective for town and last night was wonky. Enabler could be Kaylee, I suppose, but I can't think of what she'd enable unless you're fakeclaiming.

Yes, this is why I’m having trouble with the bg claim, because if Tails bg’d Chick, then who did scum!Thor target last night then? Because we know whomever he targeted didn’t die, so maybe whomever Simon is, must have protected me then?

So, if Tails is telling the truth about being both bg and protecting Chick, then we must have been the target.

~N

[RightKnight]

P.rdit thanks Jingle, I’ll google Kaylee.

[Chickadee]

Nice scum claim. Someone killed Thor. Thor's kill is missing. Where did it go? The obvious place is where you claim to have been a BG, so why are you alive?

Why does it have to be Tails? Why couldn't someone else be fake claiming? Why couldn't it be in some of the softs/unclaimed? If it was a scum cross kill, it doesn't surprise me that no one has come forward.

[RightKnight]

Enabler for Mal's role could be Inara, I suppose.

Okay, I checked both of them. Maybe Inara makes a bit more sense? It says Kaylee is a mechanic or something? The thing is, we weren’t given any specific information on

how

our role enables, so not knowing the story makes it hard to figure that out. I’m not sure if either of these really fit though.

Or maybe, we weren’t the target because it makes more sense for HoB to want to kill us but I suppose I could also see why a Reaver might also want us dead too. \_0_/

~N

[Elsa Jay]

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

[RightKnight]

Enabler for Mal's role could be Inara, I suppose.

Okay, I checked both of them. Maybe Inara makes a bit more sense? It says Kaylee is a mechanic or something? The thing is, we weren’t given any specific information on

how

our role enables, so not knowing the story makes it hard to figure that out. I’m not sure if either of these really fit though.

Or maybe, we weren’t the target because it makes more sense for HoB to want to kill us but I suppose I could also see why a Reaver might also want us dead too. \_0_/

~N

Scum!Thor knew we were an enabler, so I’m probably wrong about this, since it actually does make perfect sense for him to have targetted me then, so Simon must have saved me last night, unless he saved Tails? But there 100% has to be a full doc in the setup, because Thor obviously couldn’t have targeted Chick or Tails would be dead. Unless Tails’ claim is bogus but would there really be both a full doc and a bg on the setup?

[RightKnight]

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.

No, I think Simon 100% had to have healed Thor’s target, otherwise we would have had a town death last night.

[RightKnight]

Nice scum claim. Someone killed Thor. Thor's kill is missing. Where did it go? The obvious place is where you claim to have been a BG, so why are you alive?

Why does it have to be Tails? Why couldn't someone else be fake claiming? Why couldn't it be in some of the softs/unclaimed? If it was a scum cross kill, it doesn't surprise me that no one has come forward.

Couldn’t there possibly be a townvig who is lying low, to prevent being NK’d?

I don’t think no one coming forward, makes this impossible.

[Elsa Jay]

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.

No, I think Simon 100% had to have healed Thor’s target, otherwise we would have had a town death last night.

I claimed Hider now. I lost the BP going onto Thor. If they attacked my slot they wouldn't have hit anything.