Large Normal 216 - Endgame

[ofrhz]

If I had to form a town block right now it would be something like FL, Performer, AP, Profii, ofrhz, Maxous.

Why is Max town? Max's only scumread is someone else in your townbloc

Town can't be wrong? He also scumread you day one and you're also in my town block. I townread him independent of his scumreads.

They can, but that doesn’t answer my question. Why is he town?

[ofrhz]

^^ Open question for the peanut gallery

[profii]

@ofrhz

No one is really flowing with scum reads in this game, it’s a bit unusual in that respect

[RCEnigma]

My initial scumread on Maxous was his scumread on you. Low and mostly forced participation, reactive posting (mostly to prods on him). I associated his play with some of my scum tells. Day 2 his play is a flip from that. He came out active and sure he's tunneling but I find that town indicative as well.

The only way I see Maxous pursuing his AP this hard as scum is if he is scum with AP. The wagon isn't going anywhere post claim but Maxous still wanting town to keep an open mind about the claim instead of pursuing an easier read that town has already expressed interest in (Nero) is also town indicative to me.

To add to that if Shattiel were to flip scum, Maxous is town spewed. If AP flips town Maxous is probably town as well.

[RCEnigma]

Dva died for the reverse scumhunting, keep it going.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 2.4

xx2008(0):

Performer(0):

Carcalilly(0):

Maxous(2):ofrhz;Nosferatu;

Garmr(0):

Saudade

Inferno390

(0):

Nero Cain

Creature

Shortaru

(2):profii;Completely Trustworthy;

Sephiroth(3):Gamma Emerald;RCEnigma;AP;

Nosferatu(0):

Gamma Emerald

FA_Q2

(0):

AP(2):Maxous;Carcalilly;

Shattiel

DS

(0):

Completly Trustworthy(0):

Flavor Leaf(0)

:

profii(2):Garmr;Performer;

RCEnigma(0):

ofrhz(0):

NoLynch(0):

Not Voting(6):Saudade;Nero Cain;Shattiel;xx2008;Sephiroth;

Flavor Leaf

;

With 17 alive it is 9 to lynch.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2018-11-22 16:00:00) or when a lynch is achieved.

[Not Known 15]

Carcalilly, Sephiroth and Shattiel have been prodded.

[Saudade]

Man keeping up with this game must be a nightmare

[ofrhz]

My initial scumread on Maxous was his scumread on you. Low and mostly forced participation, reactive posting (mostly to prods on him). I associated his play with some of my scum tells. Day 2 his play is a flip from that. He came out active and sure he's tunneling but I find that town indicative as well.

Why is his tunnel town indicative tho?

I see him presenting a case on AP but not once does he actually engage directly with AP. I know you don’t like meta reads, but town max is capable of initiating discussion with his scumreads and asking questions, and how he approaches his scumreads here is bizarre

[ofrhz]

To add to that if Shattiel were to flip scum

Hmm I don’t have a whole lot of confidence that Shattiel is scum tbh. I see a trend where Flubber went for lynchbaity players yesterday, and I don’t think Shattiel and flubber’s interactions were partnery

[Nero Cain]

and Nero Cain has provided few reads. I also dislike how he has criticized XX multiple times, but hasn't been that active at actually pushing him and is not voting him at this time.

Look, I've been lazy. I haven't done the ISO reads I said I would but I promise to get on those. I care more about finding and lynching scum than throwing out a bunch of uninformed reads so Billy Dee town reads me. I am busy today and on Sundays, I like to relax and watch football. I'll put the work in and game solve on Monday.

[Shattiel]

Oh shit I actually got prod

[Shattiel]

I'll start isoing some people

[Shattiel]

AP just claim scum

[RCEnigma]

My initial scumread on Maxous was his scumread on you. Low and mostly forced participation, reactive posting (mostly to prods on him). I associated his play with some of my scum tells. Day 2 his play is a flip from that. He came out active and sure he's tunneling but I find that town indicative as well.

Why is his tunnel town indicative tho?

I see him presenting a case on AP but not once does he actually engage directly with AP. I know you don’t like meta reads, but town max is capable of initiating discussion with his scumreads and asking questions, and how he approaches his scumreads here is bizarre

Couple things to consider, some relate to other reasons Maxous is town and some don't.

So Scum Maxous comes into the the day with 1 person scumreading him dead. FL went into the night dubbing him scum and myself painting him as scum with Shattiel. Opens the day with a hard case against AP(immediate attention on a previously lurky slot) the counter case being, well Maxous did some of those things too....which is...what??? A scummy action is scummy regardless of who it comes from or how many slots it comes from but whatever.

Pretty sure FL made a play in calling Maxous scum going into the night. But he hasn't spoken about Maxous today so I'll leave that where it is unless FL wants me to go into it. It worked btw.

Dvas death looks bad on Maxous but with the tracker result it semi clears him and leads me to believe Maxous didn't have input in the kill for similar reasoning FL gave on XX not being involved. I guess scum Maxous still makes that call if they have more than one informed role, which is possible.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think Shattiel flips scum either I was just making the point that my read on Shattiel influenced the read on Maxous l -- but it's still applicable to his alignment if Shattiel flipped red.

[ofrhz]

Hmm yeah max does seem to lurk more towards the beginning of the day as scum

[ofrhz]

VOTE: nero

[Flavor Leaf]

Jason come back

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Maxous

I dub it.

[Flavor Leaf]

ScumMaxous never makes the kill there.

[Saudade]

oh boy here we go
VOTE: Maxous

[profii]

FL I’ll ask you about Nero later - not yet though, I know what you’re doing

[xx2008]

I somewhat find saudade's sheeping on fl's vote to be towny. fl is a confirmed town, and in the event that he votes a scum player, it would be hard for saudade to decline voting that person if he himself were scum.
I think ap could be fake claiming. It's strange how we have one town PR dead and two claimed. It's unlikely there are so many PRs in one game, as I remembered in the beginning of the game that people said our mod generally designed setups with few PRs. It's easier to claim disloyal rb and get away with it for scum. I'm currently scumreading him.
It would be hard to claim a multitasking JOAT and not be found out later in the game, so I believe performer's claim.
ofrhz is actively contributing and trying to find scum, which I like. However, I think him sheeping day1 wasn't exactly towny, which makes me wonder about his alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

He also gives his opinion and his doubts, but sheeps me nonetheless.