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Do you think anyone could possibly do that?In post 55, Flubbernugget wrote:
Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?In post 48, profii wrote:What up
Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise-
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It’s probably the opposite - someone will say something like “X could be one of the 5 scums”In post 60, Flubbernugget wrote:
NoIn post 56, profii wrote:
Do you think anyone could possibly do that?In post 55, Flubbernugget wrote:
Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?In post 48, profii wrote:What up
Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise
Which is why I'm curious as to why you need to work from that basis
Then someone is all like “woah 5? 19p is usually 4 - that dudes informed”
Etc
I just wanted to see what people’s opinions of “normal” is - more for later than rn-
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Yeah man, this should be easy.In post 65, Flavor Leaf wrote:@profii - conftown yourself to me.-
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Have you checked why that might be?In post 73, Flubbernugget wrote:
Garmr has the highest red count. Why aren't you voting there?In post 70, Creature wrote:
Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.In post 68, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP-
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I guess soIn post 77, Flubbernugget wrote:
I dont find troll posting AI if that is what you're askingIn post 74, profii wrote:
Have you checked why that might be?In post 73, Flubbernugget wrote:
Garmr has the highest red count. Why aren't you voting there?In post 70, Creature wrote:
Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.In post 68, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP
Creature says don’t like, rather than scummy/towny in his chart...
I agree it’s troll posting and not AI
So that answers your question straight away - I wouldn’t bother voting there either
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One theory could be that by RAG rating every post you “appear” transparent because you can’t hide your opinion on anythingIn post 86, Flubbernugget wrote:
Yes.In post 80, profii wrote:I think we are referring to garmr as trolling (I certainly was)
Why would it make sense to rate posts as like/dislike as opposed to scummy/not scummy?
@creature can you weigh in on this?
But calling it like / dislike could be just giving yourself wiggle room if it all goes wrong
It’s tricky to decide because it’s very early and imo it’s not AI to change your mind, so potentially at some point Creature may go “player X was 10-2-1 but Y happened so now the score is 2-4-7” and I’m interested to see if he will overcome that scenario
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I think Creature is town for ~reasons~ I won’t disclose rnIn post 146, Garmr wrote:
It's more the fact he was talking about finding out deeper intentions earlier but that post does the opposite. It gives creature a plausible intention instead of finding out what his is.In post 144, Flubbernugget wrote:
I dont get this.In post 140, Garmr wrote:This I don't like as it's trying to explain creatures actions despite him saying earlier it's better to ask why.
Profii made worthwhile accusations that people should be thinking about as the game progresses.
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i like to bait a bitIn post 167, Garmr wrote:
I'm not sure if your post intended to come out this way but it sounds somewhat passive aggressive. I wouldn't know if your reasons are right it's still somewhat early game. Also I don't mind if you make it difficult for me it creates debate and information.In post 166, profii wrote:
I think Creature is town for ~reasons~ I won’t disclose rnIn post 146, Garmr wrote:
It's more the fact he was talking about finding out deeper intentions earlier but that post does the opposite. It gives creature a plausible intention instead of finding out what his is.In post 144, Flubbernugget wrote:
I dont get this.In post 140, Garmr wrote:This I don't like as it's trying to explain creatures actions despite him saying earlier it's better to ask why.
Profii made worthwhile accusations that people should be thinking about as the game progresses.
am I making it difficult for you to vote Creature because my ~reasons~ are right?
I think I'm sheeping ofrhz jumping to a conclusion, could just be wrong, but i wondered if you were informed if you reacted in a way that might reinforce the ~reason~ actually being right.
we will find out later, still not worth a lynch right now-
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do you frequently encourage policy lynching inactives?In post 173, Maxous wrote:If I wasn't already voting ofrhz, I would probably be starting now.
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Tbh I didn’t really think about scum PR I just was hoping to be a BT sacrifice hahaIn post 185, Sephiroth wrote:
To be fair, I investigated you specifically for one post right before a scum lynch, not because of your play in a general sense.In post 184, profii wrote:I'm never obv town I thought I was doing better in my last game but after it finished I realised 3 people with night actions checked me so it wasn't through my own actions-
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I mean creature who wasn’t in that gameIn post 200, Sephiroth wrote:
I think everyone who was in that game are townreading him for that reason, which actually makes me wary about how easy it would be for him to fake that as scum.In post 198, profii wrote:@ofrhz - yeah I might be guessing at why you made that town read, but it seemed like you would spot the reason I’m thinking based on that game we just finished-
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In post 147, Completly Trustworthy wrote:I actually have a good opinion of Creature now. In my experience, players who do things that are odd like not voting for an unexplained reason or making naked votes usually have a good reason for doing it and most scum would not like to attract so much attention this early. That said, I also didn't like that Profii offered a potential explanation for why Creature made his list before Creature could say anything.In post 152, Completly Trustworthy wrote:I'm also liking Flubbernugget at the moment, they've made basically no fluff and have spent most of their posts giving reads or making pushes. They've been the most agressive scumhunter.
I was just reflecting on the game thinking it’s time for me to take a proper direction - I flicked through the ISOs and CT here is bugging meIn post 153, Completly Trustworthy wrote:xx, Creature made 70 before you voted him in 83. If you think that post was very towny and it makes sense to organize posts into three groups instead of just towny/scummy, why did you vote him later? Did you vote him to gain information while liking that post or did you scumread him at the time? I would like to know how your read of Creature evolved.
They seem like easy reasons to talk about
I going with Creature town rn, but it’s easy to jump in and say “woah he put himself out there it must be town”
Same with flubbernugget - great some questions from him, but it’s not really AI but looks good if you say something about that
Then a read on a relatively new player who has potentially posted something which is easy to paint as a mix up - usually just a noob-tell (no offence) not a scum tell
VOTE: CT
Also - I think Inferno is usually a pretty active dude in my experience of him so look forward to hearing more there-
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I played a game with Nos where we were both scum (scientific on my wiki) and I think Nos was more like 1 liners most of the way through - I don't recall him getting into a spat at all and feel like he'd try and go under the radar more as scumIn post 278, AP wrote:OK, having seen the Nos vs Seph debacle I find myself obliged to apologize for the one I had with Seph in the previous game. It does look good from inside your shell, but ssing it from the outside I can see how that confuses everyone as hell.
Preliminary read is that this is a TvT, but I'm slightly more confident in the Seph read at this time. Nos and I will have to sort each other sometime soon if they're town.
@Nos: for some reason, everytime you type "ct" I go back to page #1 to verify CheekyTeeky is not in the game.
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I'm wrong then so I'm gonna say what I was actually thinking.In post 305, RCEnigma wrote:For the pocket of course
In the last game, Ofrhz was surprised that someone made a read list where someone was a stronger town read than the IC.
Then Ofrhz concluded that this probably was a breadcrumb that they were a mason pair.
So I figured that Ofrhz looks for mason crumbs, so I was wondering if ofhrz was subtly suggesting that creature was town binning all of RCEs posts because mason crumbing - so my stance on those slots was lets leave that well alone until a bit more comes out.
now I assume you 2 have no intention of coming out as masons so I'm happy to share why I was being somewhat vague-
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I was about to say I remember scum reading him as town, but then I remembered that was a game where I was scum so I did it on purposeIn post 318, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I have a tendency to town read him when he’s scumIn post 301, Shattiel wrote:
not gonna lie he posts like one.In post 300, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Flubb ain’t new. We joined site within two weeks of each other, and we’ve had many an adventure together throughout the years.In post 299, Shattiel wrote:Flubb seems new and I'm bad at reading newbies but he's prob town.
I guess thats normal then since you're not scum reading him?
But I think that makes me wary if I know it's someone I can portray as a mislynch so I wanna be careful I don't mis-scum read flubber here. One to sort later...-
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I’m not one to speculate on fixed votes :pIn post 333, AP wrote:
So this means Flubber is Town. Right?In post 309, Carcalilly wrote:I can sheep ofrhz because I'm too lazy to make my own case but I didn't like flubbers posts to begin with :>
VOTE: flubbernugget
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I don’t think I’ve seen his scum game but his town game is quite distinct so you’d probably have noticed a changeIn post 377, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Profii, can you give a meta of Inferno? You implied you had played with him earlier. Is he prone to replacing out as scum or is he generally active as either scum or town?
I recall him replacing out due to seeing game spoilers (iirc a relation of his is on here) so props to him for not just cheating - I’m gonna say if he says he’s busy it’s just NAI
If he had tried to stay in with minimal posts I would have scum read it, hence I asked him to contribute earlier-
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I had 2 thoughts:
The statement you made could almost be a trap because you made 15 posts - if I can read you correctly -right now- then you could go “you must be informed”
Else you’re basically saying don’t scum read me please or I will shade the bejebus out of you
I kinda think that’s either a very carefully constructed ploy to shade me or you just mean how will I read you as the game goes on
Based a lot on that last post, I don’t think you were being intentionally conniving - but I had forgotten we have scummed together so I’m going to go read back and see what I think about that
My read on Creature is kinda reset because I dismissed my mason theory so I still think that’s a bit early to say
I assume you mean garmr (lol) _ I like what I see so far-
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which game were we in with you scum?In post 446, Performer wrote:and I would think that since you're the only person who's seen both sides,-
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That’s quite a good point on DVa - when you look at the iso, 201 is critical of AP for not being forthcoming with any significant stances, yet that post is the 2nd post from DVa containing any significant reasoning about another playerIn post 455, Flubbernugget wrote:
They entered the game with setup spec and no reads (something I have already mentioned).In post 435, Carcalilly wrote:I kind of have bad vibes on DVa but I really don't know why yet...
That's pretty fishy, and for better reason than "bad vibes"
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By luck or by judgement I guess it all countsIn post 457, Carcalilly wrote:That is in fact what I do-
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I’m familiar with AP and I’m also familiar with troll posters and their detrimental effect on gamesIn post 461, DVa wrote:
Yes, because AP has a history of shitposting for entire dayphases, so I think it's good to establish early on that if he trolls in the game this game he'll get lynchedIn post 456, profii wrote:That’s quite a good point on DVa - when you look at the iso, 201 is critical of AP for not being forthcoming with any significant stances, yet that post is the 2nd post from DVa containing any significant reasoning about another player
If sorting is to be productive we need to knock the trolls into line first
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What are you talking about? I gave my first impressions in 91.In post 468, DVa wrote:In post 464, profii wrote:However it is pertinent that my point was your lack of reads at that time and you elected not to addresss that
I didn't really factor 91 in as a first impression given it was a response to "anyone one to guess the entire scum team on day 1"
Until 192/201 - I didn't take anything as a significant opinion from your iso.
I don't even mind setup spec, it's useful to know what's going on to a degree - I was the one that asked about typical scum numbers after all.
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that's a neat way to think of it, so I'm going to sort the player list and see what happens -In post 517, RCEnigma wrote:she's reversed into finding the town slots and pulling scum from the scraps, I like it.
Here is my list
Townier than not
RCEnigma
DVa
flubbernugget
Completely Trustworthy
Shattiel
AP
Nos
Garmr
Performer
Null
ofrhz
FA_Q2
Seph
Inferno
Maxous
Scummier than not
Creature
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carcalilly
Think I'll just post that and vote, rather than explain it and see what questions come out of it.
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How did creatures reaction help you deduce he is townIn post 549, xx2008 wrote:
I made that vote on creature to get a reaction from him. Then, I unvote him later, after re-thinking the situation. Creature seems town to me.In post 514, Shattiel wrote:In post 83, xx2008 wrote:@Creature, that chart is for posts you like, don't like, or find neutral, as I've found while Reading through. But why do you say like/don't like rather than scummy or town?
Let me vote you.
VOTE: creatureIn post 151, xx2008 wrote:
This is another reason why I'm townreading creature, which I forgot to point out. This accounts for the fact that not all posts are black and white. He's just stating whether he's liking, not liking, or finding neutral those posts. Town players generally will have a somewhat concrete read, by that I mean they aren't changing opinions too quickly, but they won't be extremely concrete, because there is always other possibilities.In post 70, Creature wrote:
Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.In post 68, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: APIn post 221, xx2008 wrote:@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.In post 282, xx2008 wrote:I think the Nosferatu and Sephiroth 1v1 could either be a TvT or a SvT. I think it's more of a TvT, though, because it appears more like a misunderstanding. I don't expect two scum to be doing this, though, for that would attract too much attention, especially due to the fact that this 1v1 lasted for a long time in terms of pages, and anyone skimming through the game could have noticed it.
I've been taking a look at few isos I think someone may have pointed this out before? Not sureIn post 363, xx2008 wrote: Regarding your view on shattiel, I think your post is kind of scummy, because at the point of this post, shattiel has only made two posts. I very slightly feel like you're trying to shade shattiel with your post.
But after you made your post, shattiel began posting, which could imply lurking, because if shattiel was simply inactive, she would not have had the time to read that many posts she missed and see your post about her inactivity. If you're town, then I can see a scum shattiel.
But you voted him for the same reason you townread him later? I don't think your question to creature even clarified anything.
Then theres Seph push then pull also the posts in reply to AP's about me.
Theres alot of throwing shits to see what sticks.
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If you don’t wanna scum hunt imma cop you >=[In post 569, Saudade wrote:I probably wont scumhunt this game and just obvtown, there's too many variables to sort and too many people so I'll just chill okay?-
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Idk flavour said I need to obv townIn post 573, Saudade wrote:
why cop me when im going to obvtown anyway??In post 571, profii wrote:
If you don’t wanna scum hunt imma cop you >=[In post 569, Saudade wrote:I probably wont scumhunt this game and just obvtown, there's too many variables to sort and too many people so I'll just chill okay?
When me and flavour played a game - Tchill said he didn’t want to scum hunt (amongst other stuff) so I decided to weak visitor him but my last post was imma cop you >=[ so everyone knew what to do
I’m trying to signal to FL I am town because he is an inno
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Pine?
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You confuse me too
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At the point I scum read you there I was writing xx2008 off as new player comes over as scummy syndromeIn post 600, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Profii, you voted me in 258 and later said I was townier than not in 520. Can you explain how your read changed?
Then when I went through _every_ iso yesterday (or at least every player I wasn’t confident in my leans) I decided I though xx2008 wa actually scummy and therefore your challenge of him was actually good and towny rather than an easy thing to challenge
Basically - Initially I think I read your post in ISO so i scum read you for going at low hanging fruit, but in the context of the whole thread I was ok with it given the other players I found scummy in my updated list
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Damn DVa - patience pleaseIn post 615, profii wrote:Carcalilly - hypothetical-
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@xx2008
I’ll just c+p to avoid the quote wall
Creature seemed calm, and re-thinking the situation, I realized that making such a list of all the posts is a towny action itself. First, it takes a lot of work to make the chart and keep track of all the posts, which is probably why he stopped making the chart after a while. Secondly, it's a window into his alignment.
So in your opinion would you say that creatures chart included some solid towny/scummy indications on certain players?
How much consideration do you give to the theory that the chart didn’t last long and the ratings could be vague enough for Creature to say what he likes in future - I am certain I could go in his iso and find him saying it’s scummy/not scummy and it’s posts he likes/doesn’t like so there is potential for changing of ones tune which I personally don’t really like-
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Why? What if it had just said VLAIn post 739, AP wrote:
I'm starting to feel quite uncomfortable with this.In post 658, ofrhz wrote:More prod dodging to follow in 24 hours-
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Anyone bothered that AP is suggesting a direction for any potential investigations hereIn post 730, AP wrote:
Did Max confirm? It would be easy for a Cop to verify TWO slots if that was the case. I don't think faking Masons is a large is at all a good idea, so I'm tentatively removing Max from my D1 lynch pool.In post 638, Shattiel wrote:Max and I are actually masons-
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I didn’t say tonight either....In post 790, AP wrote:
Of course it does. If a Mason flips BEFORE they are checked then obviously there is no need to check the other. Also not specifying when to do the check doesn't take away the option for the investigative ti check wherever they like at any given night, including N1.In post 787, Garmr wrote:
Does it even matter if you said tonight or not?In post 786, AP wrote:
Did I say "tonight" though?In post 775, profii wrote:Anyone bothered that AP is suggesting a direction for any potential investigations here
Me saying the duo could be verified with one check is more of a justification to leave them alone than it is "directing an investigative" to do a check on them.
You are right as soon as 1 mason flips, the other is pretty much a guarantee but we all know that
Something still isn’t right - a cop wouldn’t verify both slots anyway - a _rolecop_ would but you said cop
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but this is a game where those sorts of details actually matter because they make a difference.In post 814, AP wrote:Like, IRL we say call a Homicide Detective "Cop", and yet the Traffic Officer we still call them "Cop". It doesn't matter if they're a Lieutenant, a Sergeant, a Captain or even Commissioner. If they are "Police" they are "Cops" or "Coppers".-
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profii Jack of All Trades
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More a gut choice from the POE pool of suggestionsIn post 842, DVa wrote:which posts specifically give Seph more scum equity for you than other players in the poe?
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I had an epiphany - I think, given the rules about shorter and shorter days and the way a particular person is player, I could hazard a guess at who a serial killer probably could be.
Last time I came up against a serial killer they shot people out of the lynch pool consistently so I'll not out them at this point - hopefully they help us.
I wasn't intending on lynching them thus far, but for today at least, I definitely wont.
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ok well it's up to you to not get shot because I am going to transmit the identity of our potential serial killer to you telepathically in 09.13 seconds.In post 932, Flavor Leaf wrote:
You like getting shot? This is how you get shot.In post 931, profii wrote:I had an epiphany - I think, given the rules about shorter and shorter days and the way a particular person is player, I could hazard a guess at who a serial killer probably could be.
Last time I came up against a serial killer they shot people out of the lynch pool consistently so I'll not out them at this point - hopefully they help us.
I wasn't intending on lynching them thus far, but for today at least, I definitely wont.
Interesting.
wait for it...
got it? good.
look at how that person is just pushing people to the threshold of "willing to lynch" rather than "finding them scummy"
it's serial killer esque.