Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is scum. Let’s power lynch this, and get the night off to some killings fast.

VOTE: Pinntruchio

It’s probable that I have a role that requires for me to be shot at night.

Oh no

Pintu’s avatar is him rn lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sick. I'll either be here a lot...or not at all. We'll see. Have fun kids.

Nice setup of using you being sick as a potential alibi for coasting!

Ew.

[Gamma Emerald]

...then why'd you sign up for the game advertised as Overkill?

I don’t like this unsympathetic posting from Varsoon
Idk about alignment implications other than probably being a negative associative with hebichan.

[Gamma Emerald]

That felt slimy to me.
You should probably sheep this wagon Cheeky.

I find this interesting, I think I remember you two going at it in Newbie 1836?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: creature

feels like half the game is missing already

It just started.

I'm used to games filling up 20 pages in half this time in half this playercount.

I'm aware it just started.

Swear you made this comment in Heroes Wanted. If you jinx it I turbolynch you ;$

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey awesome people!

Have you read the first few pages of this game and are now thinking "Oh man so many posts! Why did I sign up to this?"
Are you already feeling disillusioned from the usual RVS process of people doing ridiculous claim things and voting people so that they look like they're SERIOUS BUSINESS when really they have no idea what they're doing either?
Or are you in fact just really super duper uber excited and are trying to hold yourself back from posting lots but kind of failing?

Well guess what? That's right! It's

Regfan

DV here and I'm going to make everything amazing!

Spoiler:

I like to think that here Sylvester Stallone is actually parodying the ridiculousness (and sexistness) of telling someone to "man up".

Hmm maybe I'm over thinking it.

Yeah I'm probably over thinking it.

Just kidding!

Spoiler:

But you know what? That's okay! Because Regfan probably does know what he's doing and he'll be here to post uhhh.... at some point!

--

Anyway, I've read the game up until now and honestly there's not really anything that jumps out at me. I'll probably read over things again in an hour or two and express some sort of opinion because I probably should.

-DV (obviously)

This was mildly fun to read
VOTE: farside
I think you’re the only one I have no familiarity with, so that means you must be eliminated.

[Gamma Emerald]

That felt slimy to me.
You should probably sheep this wagon Cheeky.

I find this interesting, I think I remember you two going at it in Newbie 1836?

We did indeed. I'm pretending Thor isn't here so I can use it to mourn when he meets his untimely N1 demise.

He was so young

You were not in that game :/

[Gamma Emerald]

How many scum are we looking at

Singleball: 6-8, maybe 9
Multiball, probably 8-10
That doesn’t include 3ps FYI

[Gamma Emerald]

So, there are 26 of us. Game started with 22 of us confirming our roles. Now everyone confirmed their role, but only 22 have commented in this thread. I'm almost sure the four players who confirmed last, meaning that the game started before they confirmed their roles, were Wisdom, BuJaber, BrightEyedFish and DrewVa. That means that DrewVa saw that the game already started, but didn't come to say hi. That's rude.

VOTE: DrewVa

This might just be
VOTE: DrewVa
Sorry DVA, but the hand you’ve been dealt seems to be a bad one (idk if this is the right metaphor for what I’m saying)

[Gamma Emerald]

mother smurfers

Hacked by Thor confirmed

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s probably time I introduce myself to the group, just so people aren’t wondering and to give some general context.

Hi all! I’m Amz. As you may guess by the lack of history, the inability to navigate the forum, and the join date of this account, I’m new here.

But why would Almost let a completely new person into a game?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It probably has to do with RR. I’m dating the half of RR that isn’t married.

So hello!

Yay nepotism!

Though to be fair, I did vouch for you and your experience with mafia irl and forum games in general, so you kinda have to be at least semi-competent at whatever you ended up being.

Also, I highly recommend that everyone sheep whatever my read on this woman is, whenever I develop one. I've played exactly one social deduction game with her(Bang!), and determined she was the renegade from a single question she asked before the game properly started, so yeah! Sheep me!

@BEF: Care to share where you got the information you used to draw those conclusions about our slot then, if I at least have never played with you and you do not have any alts?

-Cerb

OMG Bang! is such a fun game, but I’ve never played it super seriously

[Gamma Emerald]

Chickadee Chick-a-day Chick-fil-a .. don't engage the crazy person

Pedit who's Biff?

[Gamma Emerald]

How many scum are we looking at

Singleball: 6-8, maybe 9
Multiball, probably 8-10
That doesn’t include 3ps FYI

9?!?!??!?! Oh damn. It’s definitely multiball then. 9 people on a single scum team is insane.

If I was on that team, it’d be glorious. You know how much WIFOM I would induce into the game if I had 8 partners?!?!?

That’s a dream...

I was in a 48p multiball with 2 9p teams
Both teams failed horribly at distancing

[Gamma Emerald]

So, there are 26 of us. Game started with 22 of us confirming our roles. Now everyone confirmed their role, but only 22 have commented in this thread. I'm almost sure the four players who confirmed last, meaning that the game started before they confirmed their roles, were Wisdom, BuJaber, BrightEyedFish and DrewVa. That means that DrewVa saw that the game already started, but didn't come to say hi. That's rude.

VOTE: DrewVa

This might just be
VOTE: DrewVa
Sorry DVA, but the hand you’ve been dealt seems to be a bad one (idk if this is the right metaphor for what I’m saying)

You’d be very wrong about that. Thankfully, I am town this game. On what stupid basis are you even coming up with this nonsence? Sorry but this is beyond whacked.

This game is called Overkill not Overfill the goddamned asylum,

Yes, I knew the game had started and I hate RVS and was waiting for it to be over. Ever since Necromancer, when I almost got maj’d in the span of less than 2 hours, I’ve tried to avoid it. Stop being bad Gamma. You know I’m town here.

Assuming this is Nancy head
Maybe you dislike RVS but I know DVa is totally chill with it. Also you acting out this way feels a bit shady when I called out DVa.

[Gamma Emerald]

So, there are 26 of us. Game started with 22 of us confirming our roles. Now everyone confirmed their role, but only 22 have commented in this thread. I'm almost sure the four players who confirmed last, meaning that the game started before they confirmed their roles, were Wisdom, BuJaber, BrightEyedFish and DrewVa. That means that DrewVa saw that the game already started, but didn't come to say hi. That's rude.

VOTE: DrewVa

This might just be
VOTE: DrewVa
Sorry DVA, but the hand you’ve been dealt seems to be a bad one (idk if this is the right metaphor for what I’m saying)

You’d be very wrong about that. Thankfully, I am town this game. On what stupid basis are you even coming up with this nonsence? Sorry but this is beyond whacked.

This game is called Overkill not Overfill the goddamned asylum,

Yes, I knew the game had started and I hate RVS and was waiting for it to be over. Ever since Necromancer, when I almost got maj’d in the span of less than 2 hours, I’ve tried to avoid it. Stop being bad Gamma. You know I’m town here.

Assuming this is Nancy head
Maybe you dislike RVS but I know DVa is totally chill with it. Also you acting out this way feels a bit shady when I called out DVa.

Are you for real? Do you not know, we’re in a hydra?

Can you even read? I mention your heads explicitly. This just seems like you’re grasping for ways to discredit me. You getting upset this way doesn’t reflect well at all.
More votes on DrewVa guys.

[Gamma Emerald]

This might just be
VOTE: DrewVa
Sorry DVA, but the hand you’ve been dealt seems to be a bad one (idk if this is the right metaphor for what I’m saying)

That's ok, although you know you will be sad if I dance with someone else. Are you going to let that happen Gamma? Are you going to make that mistake?

I mean I don’t want to be possessive. You can dance with whomever, just save the last dance for me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmm still comfortable with a creature vote with how interested he was in who else hadn't posted.

Though, what's the argument on DVA? Something about him seeing the game and not responding?

It kinda started like that, now I’m disliking nancy’s response to pressure

[Gamma Emerald]

...do you think a Cutthroat Kitchen themed mafia game could work?
Like everyone starts with $25,000 to spend publicly before each day phase on bids for mechanics that 'sabotage' other players
Curious how I'd flavor lynching and kills though... Hm.
Has anyone else ever done the whole 'panel of judges' lynch thing?

It's a closed theme setup, Toog. A50 can just invent roles.

Sounds fun tbh
Like you could bid on making someone hated, Macho, roleblocked for the night, insane

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't get Gamma's scum reads or why if she has suspects she does an RVS vote.

Wtf are you saying

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't get Gamma's scum reads or why if she has suspects she does an RVS vote.

Wtf are you saying

You read the game.
Made vague references to a couple of post and then after about 3 post you make an random vote.
Is that typical from you?

I guess...?
Which vote are you calling “random”?

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: Profii made a list

Let's see if I can do this, I'm gonna quickly flick through isos and sort into 3 categories if i can.


more towny than scum:
DrewVa (DVa & Nancy Drew 39)
farside
Alchemist21
Varsoon
Gamma Emerald
Thor665
hebichan

Too early to tell:
Flavor Leaf
Malakitty
RCEnigma
Toogeloo
BuJaber
davesaz
Chickadee
DrippingGoofball
CheekyTeeky
Fortian (DeasVail & Regfan)
Majiffy
Amzela


more scummy than town:
Creature
Reasonably Rational (Drixx & Cerb)
Tails
Wisdom
pinturicchio
BrightEyedFish

VOTE: RR

@Profii: I think you're off when it comes to your scum list. Except maybe Fishy. But yeah...need to sharpen up those reads dude.

I'm a little skeptical of full lists this early in such a large game. What are your thoughts on that aspect of Profii's post?

It’s not comprehensive and seems pretty basic, so it checks out as an early list

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s not comprehensive and seems pretty basic, so it checks out as an early list

Is this a comment on the basic character of the list, or the contents? Did you look at the contents before you replied?

What does it matter/what’s the difference?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I just found ths.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77288&start=25.

I was curious as to why Wisdom was voting Majiffy, so I ISO’d a towngame of his where his play was entirely different than it is here.

He has objectively speaking, the worst ISO in this game. There is 0 game content of any kind - which contrasts sharply with the game I’m linking.

so

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Majiffy

And what brought you to that game

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I just found ths.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77288&start=25.

I was curious as to why Wisdom was voting Majiffy, so I ISO’d a towngame of his where his play was entirely different than it is here.

He has objectively speaking, the worst ISO in this game. There is 0 game content of any kind - which contrasts sharply with the game I’m linking.

so

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Majiffy

And what brought you to that game

I clicked his name and found this game and the difference between his play in that game is dramatically different than it it is here. Don’t you agree?

I caught scum!Marquis in BoD that way - through meta. It isn’t always obvious but the difference is definitely striking.

Honestly I feel it’s a bit early to make that conclusion but you do you.

[Gamma Emerald]

The amount of people SK-reading people is staggering.

Why do you care? Without any scum flips anybody scummy is scum. Only when groupscum flips you can then say something like "This guy is scummy but because of reason x he is not groupscum with flipped scum, he might be scum of a different faction or SK"

Even if you are right about someone being SK you are helping scum by pointing out 3p. You shouldn't care about SK at this stage. Scumhunt.

I can give you at least two examples where scum v SK ended up helping town that I witnessed myself. I'm sure most of you have examples also.

@Cerb - how shy is amz? At what point should we consider inactivity to be AI?.

Wild guess: a fair amount of those engaging in this are groupscum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well there goes one of the hypes people on the playerlist for me

[Gamma Emerald]

I LOVE Sylvester Stallone!!

'GET TO THAAA CHOPAAAA'

Brilliant.

THATS ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER

[Gamma Emerald]

Pagetop

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma talk to us
any reads?

Meh probably not beyond what I’ve described
Given this is multiball barring A50 making a red herring, I’m favoring scumhunting over townhunting rn

[Gamma Emerald]

The rule about up to X anti town of any faction being able to die
It’s possible that may be misleading wording
It’s something I’d think to do

[Gamma Emerald]

I dont get multiball from that
Why cant it apply to singleball

Of any faction
It implies there isn’t just one

[Gamma Emerald]

the power of God, anime, and a moon prism.

[Gamma Emerald]

I see, Tails who were your scumreads again?

You and Drewmba. Could be sold on Fishsticks. Everyone else is separated into likely town piles or don't care piles. I could jump on anyone in the don't care piles if you paid me enough.

What do you think about the 3p reads on wisdom?

Definitely scum somewhere in there. That's not a natural thought to come from town.

Drewmba? Nancy + Chumba
Lol that’s not Chumba, too chummy to be Chumba

[Gamma Emerald]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

How is RR winding DrewVa up in the first place
Nancy was pretty high strung to start with

[Gamma Emerald]

Or as stallone said in batman

Chill ooowwwt

VOTE: Alonzo
I will not tolerate this level of pop culture ignoramus-ism

[Gamma Emerald]

Ooh a dayvig?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh god please let it just be this page that you people are garbaging with your irrelevant posts. Drewva needs to get over themselves and is probably scum because Nancy pulled the same AtE garbage on me last game. Anyway sifting through more isos now.

That is a complete lie. When did I ever threaten to replace out because of what you or anyone else said? Find me the quotes. I’m waiting.

Yeah let's not interact for the remainder of the game, you really push my buttons.

Who peed in your Cheerios today

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe AtE is the wrong term - more like emotionally manipulative.

What’s the difference

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven’t claimed anything
“I’m a cop you idiot” is a quote from an arnie film - I was continuing the joke from Alonzos Arnie quote

Ohhh I've just worked out Alonzo's crumbed flavour I think.

I am very confused

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait shit, profii I think I understand.
Everyone, Profii is town~
I faked the shot.

Skimming a bit. This busy week is almost over so I’ll have more content soon.

I actually like profii for town from his reactions to Varsoon. I’m also liking amz for town.

I do better at building townblocks, so RR, Farside/Alonzo, Alchemist21, Mala, Cheeky, Amzela, Profii.

In addition to Varsoon, Fortian, hebi, Pint, Tails, FL role crumb makes me think he could be town.

maybe Gamma, Bujaber as well?

So, adding my slot makes 16 Now, only 10 more players to sort through.

I’d think there’s be 10 non-town total
So uhhh, you got any scumreads out of your unsorted?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi DGB! This is actually my first time playing with you with you using your main!
Any further thoughts?

[Gamma Emerald]

I could swear this was the day

What day

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so after digging through a few DGB games...

Town:

Mini 2020 Starts off similar to here but gets invested in sorting a few scum reads also. Intent becomes clearer as the game progresses.

Transformers Mafia Similar to here but we're again missing a "scum detected" post. Looks like DGB lurked themselves dead.

Mini 619 - House Mafia Constantly softs that they are a PR. Much more active and engaged, was the lylo mislynch.

Scum:

Steven Universe 2 Much more question orientated vs stating opinions. Phrases Town reads differently. Looks nothing like the other town games.

I think it's likely this game is more in line with DGB's town meta. I see they are often mislynched/left until lylo as town. Though we're missing the certain aggressive tunnels I saw in a couple of town games, I think the attitude of nonchalance is stil strongly town/3p indicative here.

VOTE: Thor

If we’re gonna take that road I’d think this resembles DGB’s scum game from my experience (The Thing Mafia as scum and turn of camn for town)

[Gamma Emerald]

Alchemist shoe me some gamesolving

[Gamma Emerald]

Chickadee is probably flipping scum or 3P here but BuJ remains the ideal lynch today.

I feel that this statement warrants explanation.

-Cerb

Post-game, maybe.

Maybe

Why only postgame, what advantage would that give?

[Gamma Emerald]

I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
If you’re making that type of statement you’d probably have already done analysis to support it. Since you haven’t that means it’s a crock of shit.

[Gamma Emerald]

MOD: Messed up my quote tags there, oof. Can you put the 'It was this game, found it:' line outside of those tags and fix them for us?

You killed the first bracket fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm used to games filling up 20 pages in half this time in half this playercount.

Oh right, I wasn't there.

?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alch town page 15

ThinkDorm
I disagree with this read rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Hah
Creature's avatar
is a creature.

tmw you need to farm posts

...And this is gross.

[Gamma Emerald]

@nancy - I'm not pro-massclaim.. I was talking to RR specifically about overkill 1 that's all. I agree with varsoon regarding this. I'd love to play in a mountainous also.

There was this awesome game, The Ditto, on MU awhile back. Creature was in it too. It had this really cool mechanic where scum had the option to kill a slot and replace into it. It was mountanous, flipless and obviously anonymous as well. Unfortunately, despite having an awesome setup, it tanked due to having the wrong playerlist.

12:3 mountainuous is very scumsided

Tfw you just destroy your other frequented site’s meta standards

[Gamma Emerald]

Self-reminder Gamma is town

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

So Creature’s posting is absolutely awful but I don’t think his reads match what scum!him would do

[Gamma Emerald]

Self-reminder Gamma is town

Why

It's something about red herring

even though I don't know what you were talking about

And why does that make me town

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball
One of the l's failed to confirm.

Why vote someone who hasn't posted yet?

Ugh, the forum trimmed the quote to what I was searching on to find the quote.

found the desktop user

[Gamma Emerald]

Guys I'm pretty sure Thor is scum. If there is a vig I'd shoot that if we don't lynch him today.

Talk to me about this: what are you seeing?

[Gamma Emerald]

Guys I'm pretty sure Thor is scum. If there is a vig I'd shoot that if we don't lynch him today.

Talk to me about this: what are you seeing?

He's got no fire, no smartass attitude. Like this post seems pretty forced in tone.

I am horrified that we are 58 pages in, with three three vote wagons competing.
I'mma do what I can to help;

Don't know Pinturiccho, so no sheep energy there.
Wisdom don't get sheepage.
RR...maybe.
Majiffy, sure.
Varsoon looks town.
DGB sure.

VOTE: BuJaber

Now we have a 4 vote wagona three vote wagon and a two vote wagon - excitement!

I’d say the smart-ass thing is a towntell but the fire depending on how it shows up could be either way.

[Gamma Emerald]

So Creature’s posting is absolutely awful but I don’t think his reads match what scum!him would do

no it isn't wtf guys
Creature is obvtowning it up

That’s actually in line with what I was saying about it

[Gamma Emerald]

What even is going on between Dave and RR

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: vote: majiffy

are you trying to break the vote counter script?

Looks more like he just doesn’t realize how the tag works

[Gamma Emerald]

Could someone more familiar with DGB meta talk to me about that

[Gamma Emerald]

Could someone more familiar with DGB meta talk to me about that

I don't know about others, but for me it's not a meta thing at all. My vote started out RVS and then stayed when she posted a few times but avoided doing anything real.
I haven't really agreed with any of the other wagons, so it's more inertia than anything else.

I didn’t ask for a voter, I just wanted one with experience with DGB

[Gamma Emerald]

Could someone more familiar with DGB meta talk to me about that

About what?

Whether this resembles his town or scum meta and how

[Gamma Emerald]

DGB is a lot like me in that I don't think she has a scum/town meta that is appreciably different from each other. It's kind of the point.
Read the play over time or lynch her early to remove the variable is my advice.

Ech
I’ve seen DGB play once as each alignment and in the Town game he was quite engaged and in the scum game it was the opposite so I’m feeling like the low engagement is scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Nero and Wisdom, just fucking bury the hatchet
ffs from now on if someone suggests Nero is scum with me and I’m scum I’ll deliberately townspew him to prevent him from creating more drama

[Gamma Emerald]

Why does a wisdom/nero scum team suddenly feel so right?

Because you autointerpret whatever you cant understand as scum theatre

y can't he be scum that wants to chain lynch?

Now you two agree on something. See, all bridges can be rebuilt!

I like this guy!

[Gamma Emerald]

Although his play rn reads rather sketchy

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s not really anything to do with that. The way your interacting with Nero and Wisdom feels incongruous with your theory on them.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s not really anything to do with that. The way your interacting with Nero and Wisdom feels incongruous with your theory on them.

Well my theory is purely based on tinfoil thoughts. However my previous vote on dgb was feeling stale so I had to move it. And nero/wisdom was the current thing so I just jumped in.

Hm
Was there a particular reason you picked Nero over Wisdom? All I see there rn is just contrarianism.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s not really anything to do with that. The way your interacting with Nero and Wisdom feels incongruous with your theory on them.

Well my theory is purely based on tinfoil thoughts. However my previous vote on dgb was feeling stale so I had to move it. And nero/wisdom was the current thing so I just jumped in.

Hm
Was there a particular reason you picked Nero over Wisdom? All I see there rn is just contrarianism.

[Gamma Emerald]

I voted nero over wisdom because nero asked me to lynch wisdom and he isnt even voting wisdom

That seems reasonable

[Gamma Emerald]

youre voting her counterwagon

We have 3 wagons here, this needs more real thought.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m null on her play. Last page I was on was 58 or 59 and I don’t have time to read ~10 pages of posts I missed yesterday.

Reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I doubt Thor is scum rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I doubt Thor is scum rn

So many people have said this about so many scummy players that I just gotta ask why.

If you take a snapshot of all the controversial players you've called town this game gamma, you have to realize that its highly likely at least one of them is scum.

This is certainly possible
Should I compile that list

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I doubt Thor is scum rn

For some reason, I feel like Gamma is generally solid at reading Thor against the grain.

Am I wrong on this, Gamm?

If this is something you can actually claim, I’ll weigh that when I do an ISO dive on everyone.

I’m still getting a hold of it but I’d rate myself well on sorting him rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry, will go back about my own musings. Didn't mean to interrupt.

What the fuck?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Malakitty
Creature
DrewVa
Alonzo
Alchemist21
RCEnigma
BuJaber
Clemency
Wisdom
CheekyTeeky
pinturicchio
Fortian
Amzela

Does this have some effect?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m gonna OMGUS Creature.

VOTE: Creature

I don’t think that vote comes from townCreature.

I claim masons with Creature

[Gamma Emerald]

Omfg. Read. The. Game.

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

DrippingGoofball (6):	davesaz (56),	CheekyTeeky (992),	BrightEyedFish (1089),	RCEnigma (1098),	pinturicchio (1099),	DrewVa (1121),
RCEnigma (3):	Thor665 (61),	BuJaber (262),	Tails (477),
BuJaber (3):	DrippingGoofball (609),	Varsoon (614),	Majiffy (631),
Majiffy (3):	Malakitty (42),	Wisdom (1078),	hebichan (1083),
BrightEyedFish (1):	Alchemist21 (386),
CheekyTeeky (1):	Alonzo (440),
Chickadee (1):	Fortian (830),
Reasonably Rational (1):	profii (885),
profii (1):	Reasonably Rational (893),
Alonzo (1):	Gamma Emerald (897),
Thor665 (1):	Amzela (1044),
Creature (1):	Chickadee (1090),
Not voting (3):	Creature,	Toogeloo,	Flavor Leaf (416),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

I'm wondering about the timing of the tailend of DGB's wagon. Possible counter to Majiffy's wagon picking up momentum. Hmm.

Ok so after digging through a few DGB games...

Town:

Mini 2020 Starts off similar to here but gets invested in sorting a few scum reads also. Intent becomes clearer as the game progresses.

Transformers Mafia Similar to here but we're again missing a "scum detected" post. Looks like DGB lurked themselves dead.

Mini 619 - House Mafia Constantly softs that they are a PR. Much more active and engaged, was the lylo mislynch.

Scum:

Steven Universe 2 Much more question orientated vs stating opinions. Phrases Town reads differently. Looks nothing like the other town games.

I think it's likely this game is more in line with DGB's town meta. I see they are often mislynched/left until lylo as town. Though we're missing the certain aggressive tunnels I saw in a couple of town games, I think the attitude of nonchalance is stil strongly town/3p indicative here.

VOTE: Thor

I actually checked over the transformers game because I remembered being there and didn’t remember DGB, and I can kinda see why, they didn’t post a whole lot or stay in for long but they had a greater posts per day than here and with the speed of that game I see it as rather incriminating given my own experience layered on top of that.
VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a hungry bear, he's a salmon swimming upstream.

How am I even LHF (if that’s what this means)?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a hungry bear, he's a salmon swimming upstream.

I was looking for a serious reason and not a troll reason because I have a bit of a Townread on Gamma myself.

I was looking for a bit of interaction from him tbh.
I'm OK at sorting Gamma usually, but not so here so far...

Lol ok
Maybe if you’d faked a reason I’d have responded at the time but a naked vote isn’t going to catch my eye unless it’s like a sheep vote or something that would generally be called out anyways

[Gamma Emerald]

Nero made that multi vote post after making a comment that too many people were either naked voting or ok with it. Suspecting it isn’t a read list...

Sort of. At first I was gonna do a bunch of naked votes individually but then I was like "eh, I don't really want to add that much clutter" Mighta been funny(ier?) that way though, idk. But I'm not a completely useless troll so my votes are vaguely how I feel right now. It's a combination of who I scum read and who I wouldn't mind seeing dead.

I'm not really hard scumreading

Mala

though I could envision a scenario where scum Mala just lurks it out.

Read my ISO for my thoughts on

RCE, BUJ

, and

Cheeky

. Another thing about Cheeky-I think it was Nancy that said it, is that Cheeky isn't being as active as she was in Overkill 1 and at the time I was like "Yeah, she's scum."

Creature

has been pretty useless so far. He's certainly capable of posting burts of activity to fool

Tor

people so I think town reading him based on a string of posts isn't a good way to read him, Also the whole Chick was pushing a scum Creature and Creature's buddies are chainsaw defening him makes some sense to me.

I mostly stand by my earlier defense of

Chick.

Like I don't see it has a total impossibility that she flips scum but

Clems

posting has been pretty bad and it almost seems like he's trying to lurk his way through. Though its possible that its just shit timing that he gets busy or something (i know its happened to me) So I'm not going to pout if this wagon goes through and I'm more than willing to eat crow if it flips scum.

On the other side of that argument, I felt like

Pint's

case on Chick was not great and maybe manipulative. So I'm gut scum reading him. I think there was something else but I forgot was that was.

I kinda forgot why I had a negative view of the

Nancy hydra

but I will say that I'm not fond of her discrediting me a few posts ago.

I'm also not hard scumreading

Amzela

but in my mind, it's not impossible that she's just scum that's going to jump on w/e wagon happens.

Alchemist

I just didn't like his jum on the Chck/clem wagon.

Fortian

is a combination of meta and I think his scumhunting is a bit limited in its scope. I mean, its been FOREVER since I played with DV but my memory is that he's a short posting troll as town and actully does stuff as scum.

Never seen you building names before. When did you pick that behavior up?

[Gamma Emerald]

If I was a foxy lil bitch I'd definately want to do Alonzo...

@Nancy, I do think Alonzo is now officially in

unusually weird

territory -D

ROFROFROF

you know you like it

tfw Alonzo outs himself as a furry

[Gamma Emerald]

His not changing his read on me is concerning

Then do something to change my mind.

I have, that’s at least a part of why I’m suspicious of you

OK idr the whole situation with this so could someone remind me why Tails and DrawVa are going at it? I have thoughts that could affect my existing reads so this is pretty important

[Gamma Emerald]

His not changing his read on me is concerning

Then do something to change my mind.

I have, that’s at least a part of why I’m suspicious of you

OK idr the whole situation with this so could someone remind me why Tails and DrawVa are going at it? I have thoughts that could affect my existing reads so this is pretty important

If it is pretty important, wouldn't it be the correct thing to do it yourself?

The thread is pretty long so I don’t care to go back if someone can help me now
Thanks RCE btw

[Gamma Emerald]

His not changing his read on me is concerning

Then do something to change my mind.

I have, that’s at least a part of why I’m suspicious of you

OK idr the whole situation with this so could someone remind me why Tails and DrawVa are going at it? I have thoughts that could affect my existing reads so this is pretty important

The short answer is;
Tails got active/aggressive.
DrewVa claimed to do meta that showed that active/aggressive Tails = scum Tails.
Tails claimed this is utter BS meta, and pointed out that due to limited games he has and how often he's outed his main this is easy to show as BS meta (paired with claims that he plays different than his main)
DrewVa instead of pointing out the logical plot hole I note above, doubles down on the derp initial claim, and thus shows fairly storng indication that her meta was trash.
Tails and her escalate into a slap fight.

I think Tails looks pretty obv. town.
DrewVa I'd say is lynch worthy, but am saying so based off quality of play rather than clear scum intent in behavior.

This also helps

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol I'd vig Gamma for that alone.

Flavor care to enlighten this poor fool?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we get chickadee today and DGB tomorrow? If I need the puppy dog eyes ok but...

No.
Chick/Clem seems to be a LHF push based on activity

[Gamma Emerald]

now im interested in who tails is
off to althunt

Figured it out: have you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol I'd vig Gamma for that alone.

Flavor care to enlighten this poor fool?

Oh no I'm aware of the reference lol.

Then why would you unironically call for a vig on that ewwwww

[Gamma Emerald]

So those things on the DrewVa v Tails thing were enlightening but didn’t give me what I needed. The thing DrewVa said about having done things to try and change Tails’ mind struck me as possibly scummy for trying to get townread over scumhunting, but also seemed somewhat pure in feelings, so I want to determine whether the feelings outweigh the potential scum motivation for me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I don’t see why scum plays like that unless they’re super dedicated to a WIFOM strat, which I doubt Clemency does, cos while they’ve been on site for some time I still perceive them as a newb
Also why would you unironically vig me for a joke you were 100% aware of? That’s hella gross and looks scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

usually suboptimal since other players could give you a biased stance of what happened, and the best way to have an unbiased read is well... Doing it yourself. RCE did a good job tho; Thor, not so much.

You are incorrect - i did a better job because I offered opinions upon the facts.
RCE avoided doing so.
Lrn2scumhunt

If he's town, it's his job to scumhunt for himself, not yours. That's what I meant. As I said, I agree with your opinion in that subject, but I don't think what he needed was an opinion

I agree it's his job to scumhunt.
The only way he's scumhunting by asking that question is to get people to offer views.
So I helped his useless behavior become scumhunting for everyone.
RCE did nothing and added to the post count of the game.
Gamma basically did nothing and added to the post count of the game.
I provided scumhunting.

But if you think people re-quoting other people's posts (which would be the theory 'best' answer to Gamma's question by your stated assessment here, or the secondary possibility of telling someone to go read who is providing us clear evidence they don't care to go read) then I submit you're doing it wrong.

What's your take on Tails v. DrewVa?
Not a description of it, but an opinion upon it.

Well I did give an opinion, just not on what you two were focusing on

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma I would have switched to DGB if I thought there was enough time to lynch that slot but it seems futile. Why don't you like the clem wagon?

Already said why.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fine ... I'l ask specific questions.

What is LHF?
Have you played with Clemency before?
How would you expect someone to play in his position?

LHF = low hanging fruit, he seems really easy to target because the reason is not subjective and he can’t really defend himself
I’ve played with him in several past games but he’s never remained in a game I was in until completion.
I don’t get the third question.

[Gamma Emerald]

3rd question is hypothetical.. how would you expect a rep-in to a scum slot act in the situation Clemency finds himself in? Like why can't he be defeated scum?

I’d expect them not to make such a mess of the situation.

[Gamma Emerald]

If this game goes 100 pages without a kill, Lynch Creature.

Oh hi mate didn't see you there...

Huh why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we get chickadee today and DGB tomorrow? If I need the puppy dog eyes ok but...

No.
Chick/Clem seems to be a LHF push based on activity

The thing is town!Chick fights like hell to get votes off of her. She wasn’t really too upset about the votes on her, before she replaced out. However, I’m not sure if I necessarily see the scum motivation in her Creature push but Chick replacing out rather than doing anything about her wagon, makes me wonder.

I

guess

I can see this...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why are you town?

I remember like exactly zero things about you this game

Did you just replace in?

I’ve been in from the start
Why no response to my joke claim? Did hat SERIOUSLY not stand out to you?
This is practically a scumclaim from Creature given both his individual meta and the combined meta of him, Flavor, and myself.
VOTE: Creature

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeh, I'm not liking Gamma this game

Anyone townreads Gamma?

Why do you dislike Gamma?

He disappeared when I called him being unnoticeable.

I wasn’t posting BEFORE THEN either, at least here
This is a rather cherrypickish reason to scumread me

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, it’s been established over and over in the past that I don’t respond equally to all games, it may take me a while to start reading through new posts in one game compared to another, and with the amount of times I’ve said it I’m preeeetty sure Creature would know about that. So him ignoring that to push me like this is hella sketchy.

[Gamma Emerald]

lmao if I'm gonna be OMGUSed for any scumread I make.

When you suspect me despite numerous reasons not to via experience with me? Hell yeah I’m gonna react to your suspicions with suspicions of my own.

[Gamma Emerald]

Think the selfhammer attempt is a scum claim

This seems to be the only rational explanation.

apathetic town self hammering because he cant be bothered to try and convince the town they're really wrong just doesn't make sense here

Inclined to agree. It’s a bit of a switch in how they view their situation.

[Gamma Emerald]

GammaEmerald posts a lot about himself. Defensive?

What was the "joke claim?"

Convenient that you come in to discredit someone who actively desires your lynch.
FYI the joke claim was claiming masons with Creature, us two and Flavor Leaf have a history of these things going south when done seriously, here I did it as a joke and the fact Creature never acknowledged it is super bad.

[Gamma Emerald]

How do you verify Toog without him getting modkilled

[Gamma Emerald]

Cerb is on the level.

[Gamma Emerald]

How do you verify Toog without him getting modkilled

He doesn’t, so long as he’s the hammer, if I’m understanding his role correctly.

I suppose it’s fine for now but whenever we can confirm a slot, it’s always a good thing, no?

How does that confirm him though? That just means he can cast the hammer vote, not that he can’t cast any other votes.

[Gamma Emerald]

Toog hammering doesn't matter, he can be any role any alignment and hammer.

Except priest

[Gamma Emerald]

Toog hammering doesn't matter, he can be any role any alignment and hammer.

Except priest

Maybe, I’m mixing up actor and priest?

Yeah
The main thing that I think is making it weird is the policy change from “not counted” to “modkilled if transgressed”

[Gamma Emerald]

Toog hammering doesn't matter, he can be any role any alignment and hammer.

Except priest

Maybe, I’m mixing up actor and priest?

Yeah
The main thing that I think is making it weird is the policy change from “not counted” to “modkilled if transgressed”

OIC, so Flicker who was priest would have got modkilled for hammering then?

No, we were able to prove Flicker’s role BECAUSE he wouldn’t be modkilled.
Since casting an invalid vote results in modkilled here Actor/Priest can’t be proven the same way.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would a scum self hammer to prevent his partner from hammering. That makes no sense

I can tell you that’s a thing that’s happened before. It was shitty play but it has happened.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma

I recall him not voting clem so he can go

So what, just because lynchbait was scum lynchbait I’m scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also re: Gamm, he looks for serious gamesolvey Alch too to Townread me and you’ll see a couple posts from him this game reaching out to me to make those kinds of posts which is why I’m Townreading him.

an update on my Alch read fyi
I recall seeing good things mid-to-late d1 so he's a townlean rn but I want to see him go for something today

[Gamma Emerald]

Go ahead and get modkilled then.

You claimed your only positive utility was your one shot full doctor. You are basically just a worse vt now.

VOTE: toog

EWWWWWWW
why are you trying to get someone to lose the game?

[Gamma Emerald]

The mod has confirmed to me that I will die as a townie, and not neutral,

The mod lied because you will be confirmed as scum.

Why are you saying it's the mod that lied...?

[Gamma Emerald]

So that was a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Didnt realize modkills normally make you not town. Don't play with modkills almost ever, and never saw one go off.

that's why modkills are a thing to avoid wtf

[Gamma Emerald]

The mod has confirmed to me that I will die as a townie, and not neutral,

The mod lied because you will be confirmed as scum.

Why are you saying it's the mod that lied...?

For comedic effect.

bleh that's kinda fair
still kinda suspect you but I think you've been more active
quick reads from you?

[Gamma Emerald]

So that was a thing

I toneread you scum still...

Nothing #i read in this one matches your town meta from previosly... whats goin on?

what do you think is my town meta?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also it's multiball so her team must be in a somewhat good position anyway

with 1 scum (presumable from another team) and 1 town dead? don't think so

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah? what are you trying to say

[Gamma Emerald]

I think via the flip we probably have 2-3 other teams

[Gamma Emerald]

Having played with Toog b4 I think this lurky do nothing attitude more resembles his town play than his scum play. Of course, there is the possibility that could ACT like this as scum so *shrug* .

You might have just gotten a town read out of me Nero! Considering how little effort I've put into the game, using meta to define my playstyle couldn't have possibly been there to win my affections, and it might actually be genuine concern for my well being .

---

Davesaz is town if you think I'm town.

Masonry, or did you *hint-hint-wink-wink* them last night .

---

Okay, I'm actually having doubts about the Global Doctor part

I'm not about to abate your paranoia. You do what you think is best.

---

2. Is testable if toog votes right now.

No... no it's not. I will be

MODKILLED

if I vote and it's not the hammer. Nice try though.

---
No promises, but I'll 'try' to be a bit more helpful, but here's hoping that last night's death reprieve was more beneficial in regards to results people were hoping for (other than callous murderers).

So the real question is if you're town, and guaranteed to be the mislynch for today, why would you not make that vote so as to save your faction from spending a lynch on your slot?

-Cerb

Kinda wondering what's actually going to go down tbh.

Indeed.

Like, I just wanted the idea to be in his head so he'd go ask about it, and then if town and we got to like L-1 he could vote, get himself killed, and we'd have all the interactions to look over after getting his flip, and still have a lynch to use today.

This sequence is just ???? to me.

-Cerb

But then why didn’t you just back me on him hammering today? The previous posts mentions nothing about him hammering, just voting.

You're misunderstanding.

I didn't care about him hammering/want him to hammer.

I wanted him to be aware that his optimal line of play with his claimed role as town, in the event that he found himself as the most likely lynch for the day(which was meant to be interpreted as "when you're at L-2/L-1 and nobody is listening to you" not "when you're at 4 votes"), was to vote and give town a second lynch for the day.

I still do not care about actions that don't confirm anything, as hammering wouldn't have done for Toog.

-Cerb

I'd like this post if it came before Toog's death

[Gamma Emerald]

Also re: Gamm, he looks for serious gamesolvey Alch too to Townread me and you’ll see a couple posts from him this game reaching out to me to make those kinds of posts which is why I’m Townreading him.

So wolfy. Everything you say is pinging me.

VOTE: Alchemist21

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

The rule about up to X anti town of any faction being able to die
It’s possible that may be misleading wording
It’s something I’d think to do

I dont get multiball from that
Why cant it apply to singleball

Of any faction
It implies there isn’t just one

Nice catch, wisdom looks townier. Gamma can be scum.

Why the fuck does how you read me depend on your Wisdom read?
This looks like some massive mental gymnastics.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think via the flip we probably have 2-3 other teams

What?

Read the flavor
Also VOTE: Cheekyteeky

[Gamma Emerald]

Why the fuck does how you read me depend on your Wisdom read?

because read what you quoted

I know I was responding to you
How does what I said to you create that sort of association? It’s convoluted as hell and feels plotted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol ok
Not my fault my logic is incomprehensible to you

[Gamma Emerald]

I think via the flip we probably have 2-3 other teams

Really? I think you're right via setup spec. But there's nothing in the Clem flip to indicate that.

Ok I’m gonna have to spell this out
The flavor directly mentions a few different groups that Clemency’s group is up against. The conclusion to be drawn is those are flavored descriptions of the other factions.

[Gamma Emerald]

if I'm town why does that bother you?

That’s not what he said.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why Gamma?
I like Gamma, iirc.

Why do you not remember your own feelings?

[Gamma Emerald]

If that’s TMI wouldn’t that be TMI about SINGLEBALL, as that’s what I’m arguing MIGHT BE THE CASE?
But you’ve actually explained and it makes sense despite being BASS-ACKWARDS so UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Cheeky, pls respond to my last post.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well fuck you too. Who pissed in your Cheerios?

[Gamma Emerald]

My new favorite interaction this game.

Go to hell you scaudenfreudian freak.

[Gamma Emerald]

@cheeky Maybe I’m a little aggressive because you seem to hate me now?
As for why not vote elsewhere I have some considerations but I want to look things over before doing so. I don’t really have a read on RCE rn but he’s scum irl for getting a kick out of this.
@Drewva ok cool, anything more you’d like to say?

[Gamma Emerald]

@cheeky Maybe I’m a little aggressive because you seem to hate me now?

Wait, you're not taking that seriously right?

Yeah I am. I thought we had got along well in the past but I guess I was dead wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

@cheeky Maybe I’m a little aggressive because you seem to hate me now?

Wait, you're not taking that seriously right?

It's "hate" as in hate for town. Nothing personal. But I call bs because you were aggressive before I started poking you.

I know I was aggressive earlier than that
But I wanted you to get how your treatment of me felt completely out of place compared to past interactions.

[Gamma Emerald]

I know I was aggressive earlier than that
But I wanted you to get how your treatment of me felt completely out of place compared to past interactions.

I'm tunneling you like usual except this time I had a little fun with the rocky theme and no I'm not softing Rocky.

Okay
My feelings are still hurt, but actually seriously engaging with me instead of treating me like dirt might help me carry less bitterness.
You mentioned you felt less strongly about my scumminess post-reviewing my wagon right? Why not directly interact with me? I’ve got some time.

[Gamma Emerald]

@cheeky Maybe I’m a little aggressive because you seem to hate me now?

Wait, you're not taking that seriously right?

Yeah I am. I thought we had got along well in the past but I guess I was dead wrong.

We do it was in jest. Btw if you're manipulating me here as scum you're a bad person. It would also make it likely that you're on a team with someone who knows my AtE weakness.

Well I’m not emotionally manipulating you. This is how I really feel.

My new favorite interaction this game.

Go to hell you

scaudenfreudian

freak.

My favourite new word, I think.

It’s real-ish, I just made a typo. It’s meant to be schaudenfreudian, based on schaudenfreud, the enjoyment of others’ suffering.

@cheeky Maybe I’m a little aggressive because you seem to hate me now?
As for why not vote elsewhere I have some considerations but I want to look things over before doing so. I don’t really have a read on RCE rn but he’s scum irl for getting a kick out of this.
@Drewva ok cool, anything more you’d like to say?

His post re Toogeloo’s flip also pinged me. His getting himself modkilled was not a good thing. As town, you should feel bad when a townie flips. It’s never a good thing.

I’m getting mixed signals here. Are you talking about Varsoon in the post I responded to or me? If it’s me, why shift to talking about Varsoon with no mention of more thought on me?

[Gamma Emerald]

This feels strangely reminiscent of RC's AtE tactics.

Do we have a game together I've used AtE?

You’re not the only RC pal. She means RadiantCowbells.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, I was referring to RCE for his post being happy about Toogeloo modkilling himself. You referenced RCE in your post, that’s why.

Ah, thanks
I guess that’s pretty bad on paper but I don’t want to jump to a conclusion.

[Gamma Emerald]

the !other-scum team are probably in there,

@Creature.

Btw @profii what’s with the random punctuation

[Gamma Emerald]

The best we can do is hope there's no more than two scumteams and no more than two antitown 3ps

What’s this about?

[Gamma Emerald]

the !other-scum team are probably in there,

@Creature.

this is in the flip:

You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang, but are generally considered to be the Underdogs of this crime-infested "warzone" town. You do everything together, which should make things easier but at the same time

you have to face some serious new problems going against major crime forces, professional killers,

and law enforcement officers alike


that says to me !otherscum + serial killers

Gamma said this too. It strikes me as odd that you both jump to multi-team conclusions before a night where we can actually get real info. To take the flavour literally you'd also have to assume law enforcement officials being a serious problem means corrupt cops that are scum right? Like I just don't buy the assumptions you guys are making so confidently that you're now sorting the game this way.

Did I say the law enforcement had to be Town? No. You’re putting words into my mouth. Notice I said 2-3 when I brought it up? That accounts for the law enforcement being Town or another faction. As for professional killers being 1 or more SKs, cool, SKs are kinda a faction of their own because they can win together. I don’t remember if it’s only upon all players dying or if it’s just SKs remaining, but it’s a thing I know to be true.

[Gamma Emerald]

2. CheekyTeeky calling my theory on this awkward - It comes over weird that you would discredit the idea of multiball if you were town

Lmfao I'm not discrediting multiball I'm discrediting you spewing that there are multiple groupscum. You are TMIing and now you're panicking. Both Gamma and Profii have omgused me when pushed on their spews.

Missed this
I find it laughable you think that was a multiball spew when it would be better argued as a singleball spew

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s that about????

[Gamma Emerald]

even vote counts are getting automated.

I mean this thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Does it?

Just because I'm voting on someone doesn't mean I care if I get lynched. I'm a VT in a role madness game again.

I just want to get my scumreads out before I die.

Who said this was role madness?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think Cheeky knows how both will flip and wants to get them both.

-_-

[Gamma Emerald]

What's more damning is that Creature posted that and just ghosted.
VOTE: Creature

That is yikes
But apparently Hebi self-voted which is weird as fuck since there’s this going on

[Gamma Emerald]

also I pointed multiple times I believe there are two scumteams

zzz
You say you thought he was opposite to Hebi right
Where’s that thinking elsewhere?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would it only be one goon per scumteam, Creature?

I believe it's role madness

No one should be saying this as town

[Gamma Emerald]

profii's posts weren't obvious snippets of a conversation that was meant to occur elsewhere.

Are you still gonna assume I PT slipped?

Might not be a PT slip, might be you not filtering effectively

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: hebichan

As long as there's a guilty on me, I suppose.

Yeah no
VOTE: Hebichan

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: gamma

?
Do you not suspect me anymore? If not why isn’t this a vote for someone else?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also RCE is a butt

[Gamma Emerald]

You're after gamma btw.

We'll DOUBLE cop her!

Count me in

ALL COPS ON CHEEKY TONIGHT!

Lol yeah let's tell scum they're safe by getting all invests on me. You're either dumb or scum.

Hm, this is some interesting behavior, I wonder if there’s a term to describe it? Maybe a phrase that abbreviates to 5 letters?

[Gamma Emerald]

Does it?

Just because I'm voting on someone doesn't mean I care if I get lynched. I'm a VT in a role madness game again.

I just want to get my scumreads out before I die.

VOTE: hebichan

Get off my fucking role, scum.

This is meh to say as town

[Gamma Emerald]

You're after gamma btw.

We'll DOUBLE cop her!

Count me in

ALL COPS ON CHEEKY TONIGHT!

Lol yeah let's tell scum they're safe by getting all invests on me. You're either dumb or scum.

Hm, this is some interesting behavior, I wonder if there’s a term to describe it? Maybe a phrase that abbreviates to 5 letters?

WIFOM?

Close but not quite.
The answer was OMGUS.

[Gamma Emerald]

If the guilty is not legit then there is something strange going on.

@protective roles
Keep my buddy RCE alive please or whoever you want around. My results could be tainted if heb flips town. Guess we see what I get tonight but if heb somehow flips town then I will only post my result if requested as to not skew peoples SRs.

If she flips as claimed you fullclaim tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

I was not aware this game would be night-flipless wtf bastard mod

[Gamma Emerald]

...?

[Gamma Emerald]

...?

My role allows me to pick my own flavor if someone dies because of my role. I have a two part role, one that requires me to have a targeting mechanic, and one that happens passively after something happens. I don’t know when, if that occurs, or if it has occurred already.

The death implies that this passively has happened already, because I didn’t target said player who died with my flavor.

What does that have to do with what you quoted

[Gamma Emerald]

I questioned why you were blank quoting shit

[Gamma Emerald]

I just wanted to know if you actually had something to add

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not the one behind the janitored kills. I want to know Nero's alignment.

OK you're not guilty of that, but what are you guilty of, then?

Ooh I likey
Got anything else you’d like to say?

[Gamma Emerald]

what

[Gamma Emerald]

Why the random reference to Death Race 2000? Is that one of Stallone’s movies?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: pinturicchio
Stop deflecting the point

[Gamma Emerald]

Why the no u then

[Gamma Emerald]

hebi wagon will probably contain all sorts of antitown whod want the free credit

Varsoon, gamma, amzela look the worst on first glance

lol what credit is there in sheeping a guilty
That’s like the least credit-garnering wagon to join

[Gamma Emerald]

That sounds more like an excuse than an honest declaration of “I fucked up” and a resolution to figure shit out

[Gamma Emerald]

5. I believed Hebi's posts after the hammer which made me think he would flip what he claimed thus making my Result tainted.

you believed a dead person over a mod result

ok

That can go either way tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Amzela

I honestly don’t blame you at all.

But I have four questions.

1. There’s roles that can reappear after they “died”, right? So even if Mala and Cheeky are gone, they can come back?
2. There can be two of the same exact role in a game? Because Hebi didn’t have any flavoring or any special abilities right?
3. There’s a max of 1 scum dead, right?
Toog didn’t count.
Hebi was lynched and flipped town.
So that means 3 town left and 1 non town for the deaths. (Also Nero posted a “Bah” post are we able to analyze anything?)
4. Janitoring. Do we ever get to know how they flipped or is it a mystery until the end of the game.

1. Yes, not sure where they fall for bastardness with A50, so I’ll err on the side of skepticism and say no there shouldn’t be any in this game.
2. Depends on the setup, how funky the mod wants to be, etc. Problem is in Hebi’s case (VT) it’s dependent on being role madness: if it’s not role madness we obviously need to have 2+ VTs.
3. Minimum: we had one valid Town death of Hebi so 3 town maximum could have died tonight.
4. Most likely. Some janitorial roles have ways of being countered, like dietician for the cannibal in the Donner Party Open setup, but straight Janitor has no counter. Only way we get close is if the Janitor or their buddy claims what was janitored, which is still a crapshoot.

[Gamma Emerald]

Now were those in response to the vote or general questions?

[Gamma Emerald]

also im voting bef
guess it has to be like this

VOTE: Brighteyedfish

Why the remorse?

[Gamma Emerald]

...didn't someone else already claim Rambo or something?
Or am I tripping?

On one level, I really don't think BEF gets shit all for lying to us here.

@Mod: If I had a power to investigate a player's alignment and my role was redirected, what would my result be?
If I had a power to investigate a player's alignment and someone blocked or stopped my action, what PM would I get?

Fairly certain BEF isn't lying about action usage, at least, given that they got a 'No Result' which I am fairly sure reflects that someone felt threatened by BEF's role and blocked them.
We SHOULD be looking at who BEF's scumreads were on D1.
If ya'll think that's premature and you need to lynch our cop over it, please reassess.

DrewVa’s random excerpt from a movie summary?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Bujab: If it's fake, that's the whole point of the really weird 'only one person can hammer me AND it will mess up people on my wagon'. That's like a hugely survivalistic thing to claim.

one could argue that Rambo is very survivalistic and will never go down alone.

P-EDIT
@profii
Are you confusing Rambo and Rocky?

Still makes some sense with Rambo though

[Gamma Emerald]

Not with a global doctor

Spoiler: Toog was

This is about the only slot I don't need to check back to see what role they got all game. It was a 1/26 shot, and you still did it!

You are the mighty "Sylvester Stallone" himself (i.e. Not a character in a movie), and as such you can only be an

Actor

, right? This means you are quite the inverse of a Priest.

You can only vote if your vote is the HAMMER. Otherwise; you shall be modkilled.

HOWEVER; Stallone is also a director, so maybe you should have a say on how matters go? OK, you also have a

1-Shot Global Doctor

ability (after all, Mr Stallone was the Director of "Stayin' Alive" in 1983). You can activate this ability at any chosen night, and it will give each and every player a "normal" Doctor protection on that night. (Doctors can only save from one NK, and cannot stop strongman kills.)

To be clear: You are NOT a "Hammerer", so you are

not obliged

to lay the hammer. However, that is the only time you are allowed to vote at all.

Since you are still aligned with the town; your win con is to eliminate all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

P.S. I'm -of course- referring to the 1-shot Global Doctor bit.

I went back and looked at the global doctor thing, and after reading his role pm again, I am thinking that perhaps toog was the only one who could hammer me. This is a theory but it would at least fit with the flavor.

So the only one who could hammer you safely is already dead? Just stop with this lying already.

VOTE: BEF
Yeah, done with the nonsense.

[Gamma Emerald]

also im voting bef
guess it has to be like this

VOTE: Brighteyedfish

Why the remorse?

what remorse
I meant i have to spell the whole name or the counter wont pick it up
I had already voted him as bef and my vote didnt appear

Okay then

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok screw it. I didn’t want to claim like this but since people are still giving Benefit of the Doubt here...

I Tracked BEF N1 and saw he visited nobody. That’s how I knew the guilty was fake. I Tracked Cheeky N2, which you can see in that flavor hint, and she visited BEF which is why I speculated BEF having a PGO role.

He’s not backing down from his bullshit so I’m calling it out.

Still don't know why he would choose hebi to mislynch but this is the proof we need.
VOTE: BEF

Odd/Even loses much of its value with the max kill rule in place. It makes little sense.

My thinking is...

[Gamma Emerald]

..his team shot Hebi!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

In Clemencys role flip it says
You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang,
and it also says:
but at the same time you have to face some serious new problems

going against major crime forces,

professional killers, and law enforcement officers alike.


and then, Cheeky Teeky says:
eliminated all competition
and specifically, Mafia in the actual role.



i still say multiball.

Yeah I question this too
Why did Clemency’s flip have so much flavor but everything since looks so poorly written?
I have a very scary proposition about why but it’s pretty off-the-wall

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, first thought right now is that BEF received Alonzo's N1 results, saw a guilty, claimed a guilty(to communicate the guilty to whoever the cop was), and that's basically it.

Which, coupled with the likelihood that Alonzo's initial vote was on his cop target means...

VOTE: Gamma

+ existance of a Busdriver =

VOTE: Gamma

/sheeping

...?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not sure why Alonzo's result even matters here; we've only had one vanilla flip out of what, like 10 people? Doesn't make Gamma guilty but I'd like to see a stronger "Gamma is scum" argument than "Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

Wait what
I thought there was a cop guilty on me and the mention of bus driver made me think it was bus driven somehow
But if it’s a vanilla cop “guilty” then why the fuck would that dictate votes now...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

not removing my vote without a claim then

And why is that?
Claim vanilla town btw, but this is rather shady because it’s rolefishing

[Gamma Emerald]

DGB is scum using WIFOM. Stop giving her the jester out. Jester is a dumb role for dumb setups. It discourages scumhunting and gives scum an easy out.

The more I play mafia the more I realize that "too scummy to be scum" is rarely an actual thing and if someone is being "too scummy" you lynch them.

I'm surprised by alch's death. Why would scum shoot someone who like BEF had a false result? If it's a vig shot then the vig should have waited to hear him out.

VOTE: DGB

@profii - I've been thinking gamma's tone was townie throughout the game but you raise an interesting possibility. I'll look into his ISO, particularly around creature's wagon on d1 and the clem rep-in.

Nothing Alch claimed was a lie
BEF just didn’t flip scum as expected

[Gamma Emerald]

Also to my fellow townies:

You do realise that BrightEyedFish is single-handedly responsible for 50% of the scum deaths so far.

50%

We all gotta pick up our game.

--

Okay I'm done now.

...?
Pretty sure Cheeky died vía Mala’s role

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I am a cop >=[

Press X to doubt

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: profii
I doubt a cop role would get faction specific results

[Gamma Emerald]

What is even going on rn

[Gamma Emerald]

No

[Gamma Emerald]

These were the flips of the 4 found corpses

Nero Cain was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Lincoln Hawk" (from: Over the Top

1987

). Although this town is crime infested you are more concerned about winning back your son and winning at the world arm wrestling championships. You're a trucker though, so that must count for something.

OK, you are a

Bus Driver

aligned with the Town. With some good skill and reads you can very much sway this game Town's way, or you can severly demolish all it's chances to eliminate this evil.

"What I do is I just try to take my hat and I turn it around, and it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person, I feel, I don't know, I feel like a... like a truck. Like a machine."

"All I can say is I made a mistake. I know that. You know, sometimes that happens in life. We all make mistakes, but it won't happen again."

As always; you win when all threats to town have been eliminated. GOOD LUCK.

Now just PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

Malakitty was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Marion Cobretti" (from: Cobra

1986

). You are a tough-on-crime street cop, and you must protect the innocents from all the violence that has plagued this town.

You thus are a

non-weak

Elite Body Guard

aligned with the Town. Your job is to die for the cause, so let's hope you don't die defending the wrong person, but even if you do; chances are you're taking another bad guy with you.

"I don't deal with psychos. I put them away."

You have the standard win con of the Town; which is to eliminate all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

Now just PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

CheekyTeeky was ...

Spoiler:

I dunno what to say. You are "Stud/The Italian Stallion" (from: The Party at Kitty and Stud's

1970

). All you need to know is it was an X-rated flick, so with no further ado: You're a

Mafia Roleblocker

).

Kitty

: Someday you'll be known as the Italian Stallion.

Stud

: Let's get high.

You win when you've eliminated all competition and have gained control over the town.

Now how about you PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

P.S. Just in case you need a fake claim at any point; you may claim "Robert Rath" (from: Assassins

1995

). You are a

Jack Of All Trades

(One Roleblock, One Cop, One Doctor), and if challenegd for the abilities you may point out that those are the abilities of a JOAT from the Great Idea Mafia page and even claim you asked me the same and that this was my response.

"Sure. And after that, if you don't mind, I'd like to go to the hospital."

Creature was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Freddy Heflin" (from: Cop Land

1997

). As the Sheriff of a suburban New Jersey community, populated by New York City police officers, you slowly discover the town is a front for mob connections and corruption.

You are thus a

Watcher

and you need to try and find some crime perpetrators before the whole town is subverted and taken over by the mobs.

"I look at this town, and I don't like what I see."

Obviously

you are aligned with the Town

and have the standard win con of eliminating all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

Also to my fellow townies:

You do realise that BrightEyedFish is single-handedly responsible for 50% of the scum deaths so far.

50%

We all gotta pick up our game.

--

Okay I'm done now.

...?

Pretty sure Cheeky died vía Mala’s role

???

Alchemist21 tracked Cheeky to PGO BEF. Flavor has been targeting RCE the entire game. N1, Toogeloo stopped all kills. N2, Mala most likely BG’d RCE and N3, it was obviously successful.

Ok screw it. I didn’t want to claim like this but since people are still giving Benefit of the Doubt here...

I Tracked BEF N1 and saw he visited nobody. That’s how I knew the guilty was fake. I Tracked Cheeky N2, which you can see in that flavor hint, and she visited BEF which is why I speculated BEF having a PGO role.

He’s not backing down from his bullshit so I’m calling it out.

Please explain the bolded, Gamma.

I’m stupid is what that is

[Gamma Emerald]

I can’t work out if I’m derping or not - I wanted an excuse to push gamma that wasn’t “ I woke up from a dream where we lynched gamma and it was awesome”

So is this a signed confession you were bluffing

[Gamma Emerald]

Just checked Wikipedia. Joe Bornowski, is a police sergeant in the movie, “Stop or my Mom will Shoot”.

I believe Profil’s guilty on Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

And Gamma’s reaction vote makes no sense, if he’s innocent.

How about the fact I doubt the guilty and think it’s scum faking it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Just checked Wikipedia. Joe Bornowski, is a police sergeant in the movie, “Stop or my Mom will Shoot”.

I believe Profil’s guilty on Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

And Gamma’s reaction vote makes no sense, if he’s innocent.

How about the fact I doubt the guilty and think it’s scum faking it?

If he’s scum and faked this, we’re probably lynching him next but why would he fake it? What is the possible scum motivation in faking a guilty on you?

Everything about his role adds up, including his FL and Cheeky results. We were hesitant on voting because we thought the guilty may have been a redirect but his other checks makes sense.

I also didn’t understand why you thought him getting specific faction info. meant the results were fake?

I thought that was a strange reaction to a guilty. Why not say it was a redirect? I would have waited on my vote, had you said that, rather than the faction thing.

Faction specific info just doesn’t seem like it’s precedentes anywhere on this site so seeing it randomly makes me very skeptical. As for why not a redirect, a redirecting role just died, I felt like the chances were low.
I guess the previous results could be real and he’s faking this one for some reason, there also the chance he’s scum with Cheeky who just made the n1 no result claim as a planned crumb

[Gamma Emerald]

And the possible scum motivation is refuge in audacity. With 2 guiltied on town, who’d raise their head at another?

[Gamma Emerald]

thats really nonsense
profii already has plenty of town cred, he wouldnt risk losing it on a fake guilty
It makes zero sense for him to do this as scum
You were way better off arguing redirection or other things

+1

Redirection is a valid argument, accusing Profil of being scum, because he mentioned factions, is not.

I mean mentioning factions isn’t hard reasoning he’s scum, but it certainly adds to the chances