Newbie 1910: Aerial Photography [Game Over!]

[Junk]

Hello

[Junk]

heya junk

you town?

Yep

I just saw I'm 1 vote away from getting lynched

Do you guys want me to claim?

[Junk]

Alright

[Junk]

I think GrandWazoo is townie

[Junk]

I think JunkoChan is kinda scummy

[Junk]

I think GrandWazoo's attitude in his first few posts is townie.

Greetings all.

VOTE: moonythedwarf

Correct term is "little person."

I don't know but I townread this

Mod - can we have a vote count? I wanna see another purty picture

I think talking to the mod to request a vote count like this is townie. Is it common for scum to do that? I think it's more common for townies to act like this

Hell there, this is my third(?) game I think in this site

You don't say. I see like 10 games in your profile.

Hell there, this is my third(?) game I think in this site

You don't say. I see like 10 games in your profile.

Stalker alert, I did sign up for some games but I only got posts in 2 real mafia games and 1 from gmm

I just looked at your join date and wondered why you're still playing newbie games

Again, I think this is townie

[Junk]

(quote is breaking, but this is Junko's post)

Looks like Joey hasn't signed in since the 24th - memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=32263 - what do you expect this vote to do?

My stalking sskills are not strong enough I guess, jokes aside my vote is just attention calling for the most part but I guess there no point to it if he hasn't even read his pm, no better place to put my vot atm tho.

Mod - can we have a vote count? I wanna see another purty picture

This post does seem weird, like there is literally one pages and <10 votes,

this is extreme laziness or a post just to post

.

I think behaviour like this is scummy. It's safe to scum to post like this - Junk is pointing out something, but not giving a stance about whether or not she thinks it's scummy or towny. She opens the door for both posibilities, depending on what could benefit her more (if she's scum of course)

@the worst sounds like mafia to me in other words

or a very lost townie

Same thing here

I think townies are more likely to slam down a read, either townread or scumread, just for the heck of it. Especially since early on, why bother being so cautious early on about being wrong?

[Junk]

How do I vote?

VOTE: JunkoChan

[Junk]

Clarification I don't mind random voting, I don't like being voted for no reason, I had a reason he was still inactive

about the logic behind that, people asking for mechanics rather than focusing on what's going on more often than not are scum gaining time

I understand the logic behind this, but IMO this is scum trying to gain an early game town read on the players by "scumhunting". I lost my original type up for why I explained this right when I was about to send it (yay mobile thank you for so much >_>) so this one wont be as detailed but imma try my best to remember my old points. anyways I think this is scum because in JunkoChan words scum is "gaining time" or in otherwords stalling, but scum wouldnt benefit from stalling day 1 of all days especially when we have 8 days left in the DL. Scum would benefit from getting early game townreads/allowing the game to let them townlead which I think JunkoChan is trying to do. At first I thought this was to shift attention and votes off moonythedwarf, who has the most votes at the moment but now that I look at it its too early into day 1 to consider a shift like that, so for now I'll just stick with Mafia trying to gain early game town cred. You could make the arguement that this post was filler or just there to make a post but I doubt mafia would filler early game because they know just as much as we do rn about who is what (in other words very little) so they need to use their time wisely in order to get as much information as possible before we as a Town lynch them.

UNVOTE: ceejayvinoya
VOTE: JunkoChan

By the way, YellowSnow what do you mean by trying to gain newbie sympathy? It seemed like a random vote that you need to explain more imo I'd like more detail on what exactly you mean.

I don't understand this guy but looks like we reached the same conclusion

[Junk]

I have a gut feeling the_worst might be bussing Junko (i'm on an early page right now, forgot which number)

But if he keeps on doing it I don't mind

He might be town anyway

[Junk]

Why are you sighing in despair at my posts and unvoting me at the same time?

[Junk]

moo.
no shush im a real dwarf i swear

Ok so i guess my post didnt go through. Aww.

Voting for being a derp is rude.
Aaaanyways, why are you so insistent on voting me in the first place? Hmm?
VOTE: GrandWazoo

It wasnt really anything important, just a "bah i'm alive and have nothing to add" type post.

I think this is townie

They aren't trying to look townie at all. They are just posting silly stuff

[Junk]

I think YellowSnow is town but it's not really secure. They seem like a good player who can post like that as scum. So very slightly thinking they're town

[Junk]

Why are you sighing in despair at my posts and unvoting me at the same time?

1. I'm not unvoting you I'm unvoting GW
2. I just went through readding GL multipost wall
3. I already stated replacements annoy me and you are I think our third replacement in less than a day, also you are a recently made account which make me think you could be someone who is already in the game (I don't know if there is a way to know if this is true or not)
4. This is nothing personal

Oh alright I thought you were voting me because I saw I was at one vote away from dying

3. Lol what is this

I've been playing Mafia/Werewolf IRL for a few years, some Town of Salem and epicmafia on my PC, this is my first time discovering Forum Mafia

[Junk]

I think computerfan0 is kinda scummy. Nothing much to explain

[Junk]

kid

[Junk]

I think GuiltyLion is townie

I'm getting tired of typing reasons. And thinking them too. Can I just say what I think is townie and what I think is scummy

[Junk]

Hmmm

Could Junko's annoyance at replacements be townie?

[Junk]

I managed to make the same mistake twice and lose my typing by hitting preview and then going back, I remember most of my points so hopefully this comes out without sounding too off. I think that moony might be town and 1 mafia is on the wagon pushing for an easy day 1 lynch GL is null to me rn so its 50/50 between Worst and GW. Worst has been passive to me this game, sitting back asking questions but not really doing much else, feels like he's just going with the flow, which is scummy to me. As for GW I ditto what JunkoChan said about him being too eager. Worst whatever did happen to your JunkoChan scum lead you had earlier into the day. Do you town/null read them now or do you just find moony scummier? I'd like to hear an answer to this because I feel as town if you had a read on someone you'd try to get more out of them but you just kinda asked Junko a few questions and then that was it, the passiveness feels scummier here than it does anywhere else imo and to my knowledge he hasn't explained why he had the read or why he dropped/forgot about the read afterwards. If you did just show me the post I want to read over it.

UNVOTE: JunkoChan
I don't think this is scum, they could have gone with the majority and hopped on the moony lynch, but they instead went against it and called out GW's eagerness, and I like that

LOL

This guy is my parallel universe alter-ego

[Junk]

UNVOTE: JunkoChan

[Junk]

VOTE: the_worst

[Junk]

I'm halfway through page 6 and I'm bored

I'll play tommorow again

Junk Nineja *
computerfan0 **
YyottaCat moonythedwarf **
GrandWazoo
YellowSnow JoeyG177
JunkoChan
GuiltyLion (SE) *
brassherald ceejayvinoya (SE) **
the worst (IC)

First guy is me - town
computerfan - good target to lynch
moony - town
GW - town
YellowSnow - town
JunkoChan - hmmm
GL - town
brassherald - I don't remember any of his posts, but now I do, he had a gnome avatar I think. His posts didn't give me any impression. Could that mean he's scum?
the_worst - i think scummy

[Junk]

Junk has town slotted so many people...

There are 7 town from 9 players, buddy

[Junk]

brassherald - I don't remember any of his posts, but now I do, he had a gnome avatar I think. His posts didn't give me any impression. Could that mean he's scum?

That was the other guy ceeejivbonnyoa or something

[Junk]

VC 1.09

votes

[4] GrandWazoo

:

computerfan0 87, brassherald 223, YyottaCat 256, JunkoChan 270

[2] Nineja

:

the worst 195, GrandWazoo 216

[1] YyottaCat

:

GuiltyLion 18

[1] computerfan0

:

YellowSnow 160

[1] Not Voting

:

Nineja 124

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-07 04:02:59)

Mod Notes

: Originally I didn't intend on this game having mostly coastal-themed aerial photos, but I liked how it looked so much that I've just been sticking with it. Hope you all enjoy!

Gulty Lion votes me

brasssomethingsomething guy also votes me

[Junk]

So the votecount is

4 votes for me by : the worst, GW, GL, brassherald
3 votes for GW by: computerfan, yottacat (who are they?), junko (but they unvoted soon)
1 vote for computerfan by yellowsnow

[Junk]

Hmm okay I lied when I said I'm bored, I was curious and skimmed very little of some of the last pages

I saw Junko making big walls with colored text and stuff, and also GL townreading her

I'd say she might be townie (coupled with my townread on her annoyance at replacements)

So my pool for people I think are scummy is : (brassherald, computerfan, the_worst)

No reason to scumread brassherald, I'm just townreading everyone else

[Junk]

Junk has town slotted so many people...

There are 7 town from 9 players, buddy

And no one is above suspicion. So, every one is scum in my book until they prove otherwise.

I don't trust this many town reads but I can't say its not just play that disagrees with mine.

But, like this catch up is so bad.

What is bad about it

I disagree, I think that's your subjective opinion

And the OBJECTIVE truth is that: you are bad, buddy

[Junk]

Whoa. I need to go to the beach more often. Need to eat & process all that's happened.

You go to the beach during winter? Isn't it cold?

[Junk]

or you really are deluded enough to think you can game solve day 1.

Well that's pretty rude

You seem like an unpleasant person

[Junk]

No wonder she's your ex, buddy

[Junk]

But the point is

What does "solve the game on day 1" even mean, buddy?

I'm giving a read on every player

How does that translate to: "I, Junk, have solved the game day 1, and I'll never reevaluate my reads"

You think those two are the same thing, which is pretty weird buddy

[Junk]

the fact you just replaced in and like randomly decided people's alignments with no reasoning in a way which pushed the agenda you like...replaced into the thread with...has me like

I didn't randomly decide people's alignments, I gave reads on all of them

" in a way which pushed the agenda you like...replaced into the thread with...has me like "

What agenda? Can you elaborate?

[Junk]

I think the_worst's last two posts are just ... the worst

You guys should vote him, he's scum

[Junk]

1) There isnt much to say at GW's first 3 posta at start of game. I think his attitude is towny. His attitude kept staying the same throughout page 6 (where I left off)

2) This isnt really an opinion. This is an assumption (that im scum), you arent actually giving any opinion/read yourself

3) I think you're scummy because you are sitting back and not doing much. I'd expect the IC to be more active and forceful if they were a townie

4) There isnt much to say about computerfan's posts. But its not impossible to give a read on them. Moony also barely posted, but she was pretty towny. Computer's posts I find scummy and theres nothing much to expect

[Junk]

I dont think its scummy that I didnt explain why I think GuiltyLion is townie

I read his posts, and I thought he's townie, and I said so

[Junk]

Theres nothing much to explain* not expect re: computerfan

[Junk]

... and those answers are deflections of my questions, which don't have any more alignment-indicative content.. :/
once you're done catching up lmk; we can talk through some stuff.

pedit: once you're caught up show me what makes you think that, if you don't mind
your slot has constantly townread/nulltownread GL without giving any reasons and it's pinging me

They arent deflections. They are my answers. Calling them deflections is shading me

There "not being anything alignment indicative content" in my posts is your own subjective opinion. It doesnt make me scummy. I dont know, get better at the game, buddy?

[Junk]

I will say why I think GL is town tommorow after I wake up

[Junk]

Nope

My response to you was fair

You should have said "I dont see anything alignment indicative in your posts". Thats neutral and fair

Stating "there is nothing alignment indicative in your posts" is basically calling me bad

Bro, im pretty sure you go nowhere with an attitude of shifting blame onto others

[Junk]

Where did I say its scummy

Im explaining to you why it was rude, and why my rude response was called for and fair

I think your lack of reading comprehension is scummy now, though

[Junk]

Nope

My response to you was fair

You should have said "I dont see anything alignment indicative in your posts". Thats neutral and fair

Stating "there is nothing alignment indicative in your posts" is basically calling me bad

Bro, im pretty sure you go nowhere with an attitude of shifting blame onto others

Look, you seem to be super confrontational anytime someone doesn't agree with you, maybe just take it down a notch or seven.

Legitimately, you are fighting because duck didn't just say "It is my opinion that your posts are not alignment indicative."

There is nothing that says anyone has to be neutral and fair, and I might be grumpy most of the time, but I have no reason to be nice to someone who is coming in hot like this.

I still think your catch up seems fake, and I am not going to pull back on that. It's lots of information, very bare bones analysis, and I'm not liking this as a town slot at this point.

Im not rude to people who disagree with me

Why would I? That sounds pretty silly

I like to be fair and equally rude to those who are rude first

[Junk]

(Like you calling me delusional for "thinking i can give reads on everyone day 1")

Maybe take it down a notch, bro?

I have been pretty fair

[Junk]

@Junk this is the most rude I'll get.
If you're town, please get off your high horse. Focus less on manners and more on the game.

There's no reason I can't do both

It's pretty silly how you try to talk in an authoritarian voice or something

[Junk]

@Junk this is the most rude I'll get.
If you're town, please get off your high horse. Focus less on manners and more on the game.

There's no reason I can't do both

It's pretty silly how you try to talk in an authoritarian voice or something

Just a suggestion friend. wrt 389 basically: regardless of your wincon, what you're doing here is accomplishing nothing....

Luckily I dont have a post limit and I still have a lot of hours to post and play and achieve win con

Arguing that teaching people manners is bad is silly

[Junk]

There's no such thing as pointless arguing

If it happens in a game of mafia, it is alignment indicative

Also to answer that guy with the gnome avatar: yep, it was coincidence that you two happened to be both scumreading me. I dont call people who are wrong bad, if they are just wrong, and not annoying about it

[Junk]

Im town, though

I think both of you are townie due to your frustration, rudeness, and emotions

Maybe I should be IC for this game

Im on phone I dont remember computersfan name, but imagine me voting him here

[Junk]

I really don't think Junk would be so agressive as scum either.

If this guy is town you guys should be listening to him

[Junk]

Oh and he's also voting for computer

Nice, what a cool guy

VOTE: computerfan0

[Junk]

I skimmed the other posts. They weren't that interesting and not that different from how to players initially acted.

me
brass
the worst
yellow snow
grandwazoo
yotta cat
junko chan
guilty lion
computerfan

I know I'm town.

Brass is my top town due to their aggresion, emotions, frustration, and bristly-ness. I'd think scum is more likely to try to be more polite, to fit in with people. Even if it's not due to manipulations, scum know that townies are town. So scum being rude to town isn't something easy to do, since they know that the townies are being real and genuine.

The worst for similar reasons. Also I trust YellowCat's meta that they don't play as scum. Also, when they were pushing me, they said something like "Yeah, I shouldn't be expecting much from Junk on his first forum game, but still man, i think it's scummy...". This looked pretty silly to me, and I attribute it to town tunneling. If he was scum, he would probably try to be more reasonable.

YellowSnow's read align with mine very much. And I know I'm town, so chances are he's town too. Also I like that he's defending me. I don't think his posts are that hard to fake as scum though, so slight tin foil there for late game, like final 3, if he's still alive, but for now he's town.

Grand Wazoo's attitude and bristlyness is towny in my opinion. Similar to the guy with the gnome avatar, through not that intense (therefore, not that intense of a townread they shall receive either). They weren't afraid to make posts that could be seen as weird/contrarian.

I haven't read any Yotta Cat's post but I really think moonythedwarf is townie. They were just doing their own silly thing. They weren't trying to look townie by your guys's standards. Their OMGUS vote

Voting for being a derp is rude.
Aaaanyways, why are you so insistent on voting me in the first place? Hmm?
VOTE: GrandWazoo

is pretty townie in my opinion.

JunkoChan is hard. I dislike their waffly-ness/safe-ness in their stances early game. But + points for them for the frustration at replacements, and the big amount of words they decide to type in the thread. I dislike that they wanna vote me, I'd prefer if they did not.

Also I just noticed that colored wall is a the worst post, not Junko. Yeah, the worst is definitely town.

GuiltyLion's flow seemed townie and carefree when I first skimmed it. I thought to myself - why not, this guy can be town. But they don't seem like a newbie player on re-read, and coupled with my better reasonings to townread other people, he is welcome to be a scum candidate by PoE.

computerfan0 is just a newbie scum in my opinion. I wouldn't cry if he's town either. He's a pretty good lynch in my opinion.

[Junk]

This also stood out as scummy to me -

as there is no real way to make an informed decision

feels like it could be scum faking being uninformed, and/or defaulting to an awkward vote justification. either way no bueno

buuuut it's also unlikely both are scum so I need to see more from both of those slots.

that's where I'm at right now. Gonna think a bit and maybe (probably) be back later with some questions after another read

computerfan I called out 48 yesterday but thinking about it now again I kinda like that he switched votes with no explanation? feel like scum would be afraid to do that and make some sort of attempt at justifying it

(some parts I cut out)

Could GuiltyLion be scum with computer fan?

If they are, his posts make sense wrt scum!computerfan.

First he distances from him, then he townreads him for a silly reason.

The second post is pretty silly. It kind of looks to me like a scum who knows computerfan0 is town actually. So I don't know.

[Junk]

But yeah I think that

Hi, im computerfan0, the worlds biggest noob.

Calling himself a noob on his first post is something that a newbscum would do. (If he's scum) he was probably thinking: I should call myself a noob to lower the bar of expectations people have on me

I'll just vote for Nineja, as there is no real way to make an informed decision
VOTE: Nineja

Again, nothing much to explain/analyze without trying to guess his alignment, BUT, if I assume that he's scum, I think it can make sense. The over-explanation "as there is no real way to make an informed decision" is weird and he was probably thinking "I should make sure I try to look like I'm portraying my thought process in the thread so people think I'm towny"

By the way, that's why I'm town. I didn't explain stuff in a "textbook" kind of way like some guys wanted from me. And this is WIFOM, but that's fine.

[Junk]

I think my last few posts have been townie.

If I was you guys, I would townread me for my aggression... well not aggression. I wouldn't say I'm aggressive. More like aggressively defending myself from rudeness.

[Junk]

is anyone buying this?

Stop tunneling me, please.

I have been mind boggingly obvious townie.

If you guys can't see it, there's nothing much I can do.

Also, I'm not going to claim my role. Hammer me if you wish.

[Junk]

Comouterfan0 > GuiltyLion > Junko > YellowSnow (if he's alive in f3 he's probably scum)

That's the game winning lynch order

[Junk]

First he distances from him, then he townreads him for a silly reason.

why do you call it silly

do you disagree?

Because it's silly.

[Junk]

I feel a bit bad now because the re-evaluation of those specific reads was pretty towny and he also didn't back down wrt real-time interactions (or reverse his read arbitrarily just because I hard pushed him) which.. feels town indicative. I also feel it took me a while to look towny this game fwiw.

Unfortunately I also baited Junk into making those read changes.

Still not sure I want that lynch today anymore. :/ he's contributing a lot more than Nineja and his mindset is presenting as more likely town to me. he's either like substantially better scum than Nineja or just town.

someone talk to me? I agree with his analysis that his last few posts have been towny. am I going crazy?

[Junk]

If computer0 flips red, I'd clear YellowSnow. I don't think he's bussing him like that. BUT if computer flips town, guys please do be mindful of YellowSnow.

GuiltyLion being scum makes sense with both town!computerfan0 (I think his townread on computerfan0 looked TMI-ish) and with scum!computerfan0 (He could have just wanted to townread his buddy). So I think GuiltyLion lynch looks solid (not today, but Day 2 or Day 3)

Junko lynch is plan B if everything else fails.

GW, the worst and brass are lock town and they shouldn't be considered for lynching unless something very very wild happens.

The moonydwarf slot in my opinion is town, but not lock. But still pretty towny.

[Junk]

First he distances from him, then he townreads him for a silly reason.

why do you call it silly

do you disagree?

Because it's silly.

Like, this post is scummy for GL.

If I'm calling it silly, it obviously means I disagree. Why would I agree with something I find silly.

GuiltyLion feels like is just posting meaningless posts, and he's supposed to be a SE or something right? It wouldn't be scummy for a newbie, but it's scummy for him.

He probably thinks he looks towny for asking questions, but that question doesn't lead to anywhere.

[Junk]

and of course Junk from the later list, he even openly refused to claim

That's not scummy.

I am town. Please, trust me.

[Junk]

I kinda want to post-by-post analyse why I am so confused anyone can read Moony right now but those analyses are really annoying and I think the most valid response would be, "ok"

@Junk what do you make of their unvote? How about the way Yyotta is prod-dodging through the game?

also VOTE: computerfan0

Yotta is unreadable for me.

What unvote?

I trust my moonydwarf townread. I think they were townie.

[Junk]

I have no clue, it seems we all are playing the exact same card, and said card is self conflicting.
And at the same time, this "play style" we're currently in has a nice issue where being pushy == lynch.


I propose we try cleaning up the vote slate, and carrying on with actual insights and discussion. Maybe?
UNVOTE: we're not getting anywhere

:shrug:

They seem like a weird person.

His previous posts are what I townread.

[Junk]

I kinda think this is a pretty towny pickup.

You're god damn right.

I think that

computerfan0 > GL > Junko > YellowsSnow (if he's alive at f3 and not nightkilled) OR Yottacat (if YellowSnow is nightkilled)

this lynch order always wins us the game

[Junk]

I have no clue, it seems we all are playing the exact same card, and said card is self conflicting.
And at the same time, this "play style" we're currently in has a nice issue where being pushy == lynch.


I propose we try cleaning up the vote slate, and carrying on with actual insights and discussion. Maybe?
UNVOTE: we're not getting anywhere

:shrug:

They seem like a weird person.

His previous posts are what I townread.

Do you think his reaction to being (if I recall correctly) voted once or twice and unvoting, requesting a clean slate, comes from town or scum?

He's a weird person and I don't understand much of that unvote post. From what I understand, he was speaking in like a "philosophical" level about Mafia theory or whatever.

Voting for being a derp is rude.
Aaaanyways, why are you so insistent on voting me in the first place? Hmm?
VOTE: GrandWazoo

This is the post why I think moon is town. The tone is very cheeky here and I think the bravery to project yourself in such a light and such tone isn't very likely to come from newbscum.

[Junk]

Anyway, with no Vigilante, it's objectively pro-town if computerfan0's slot dies as soon as possible (as that slot isn't likely to help town)

Lynching anyone else beside him Day 1 seems silly and anti-town.

[Junk]

(with the added bonus that he's probably scum)

[Junk]

First he distances from him, then he townreads him for a silly reason.

why do you call it silly

do you disagree?

Because it's silly.

Like, this post is scummy for GL.

If I'm calling it silly, it obviously means I disagree. Why would I agree with something I find silly.

GuiltyLion feels like is just posting meaningless posts, and he's supposed to be a SE or something right? It wouldn't be scummy for a newbie, but it's scummy for him.

He probably thinks he looks towny for asking questions, but that question doesn't lead to anywhere.

nah see this is garbage, this is scummy on your end

you're just calling my reason for the slot being town silly. I want to know why and make you

state

that you disagree. You're avoiding actually commenting on alignment-indicative behavior to push a lurky lynchbait slot. Why is it scum-indicative that computer fan pops in, changes vote with no explanation whatsoever? Is that not more likely to come from newbie town than weak tier scum play?

I already implied I disagree by calling it silly. Your lack of comprehension / insistance about silly/weird stuff here is scummy.

I don't think that behaviour (computerfan's vote) is alignment-indicative.

I never said it's scummy for computerfan to do that thing you described.

I think that read you made on him could either mean you're scum who knows he's town, and you're looking to make a TMI townread on him, or you're defending your buddy. Obviously you could be town, nothing is certain in Mafia (except when you're Mafia, which I'm not)

[Junk]

like are we seriously going to let a competent scum replace in here and push an easy mislynch on a lurk slot? Nineja had more scum in his posts than computerfan. It's blatant that Junk is going after the slot with the least ability to resist or defend themselves

Now that's pretty silly.

[Junk]

(with the added bonus that he's probably scum)

W H Y

Because I think so.

[Junk]

I want the YellowSnow read on Junk. Junk also said he is "obvious town", which YellowSnow tried to push on GW as being scum behavior

Do you?

I think you're treating me as an obvious/outed scum.

Why do you care about YellowSnow's read on me?

Do you think people will townread you for this post, buddy?

[Junk]

and I don't like how he says I'm a good lynch for D2 or D3, but not today. If I'm scum I'm a good lynch on any day. He knows I'm not a good lynch to push now because I bite back and because my green flip would look a hell of a lot worse than a lurker's

LOL

Now that's pretty, pretty silly

Obviously you aren't as good of a D1 lynch as the lurker because if you're town, you would be more helpful. Also you'll make yourself easier to read.

You're just crumbling.

[Junk]

how about you lay out an explicit reason why computerfan is scum if you want votes there

I think he's scum because I townread mostly everyone else and he's a good target to lynch Day 1 due to his lack of interest in the game. Also, I already explained what I find scummy in some of his posts, specifically his first one. I'm not going to requote it, read my posts, buddy.

[Junk]

are you not seeing any green at all in his posting?
am I colourblind?

I'm not, no. The harder he fights the worse he looks

The worst is asking you if HE is colourblind, not you.

This is the third time you lack reading comprehension.

First it was when you were insistant on asking me "Do you mean you disagree with something you call silly?"

Second it was when you missed my scumread on computerfan0

Third now

[Junk]

alright then, have it your way. let's flip him and find out

VOTE: computerfan0

Why?

I think this is weird.

Can you explain why did you suddenly stop scumreading me?

Weren't you townreading computer?

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Junk]

LOL

who's crumbling now

He asked me if I'm seeing green in your posting, to which I responded, "I'm not, no."

Fourth time you lack reading comprehension

Read the worst's post again dude, lol

[Junk]

Can you explain why did you suddenly stop scumreading me?

Weren't you townreading computer?

I'm still scumreading you. I was never townreading computer, I'll lynch him today. but I'm far more interested in pushing your angles on why he's scum

Yes you were townreading computer. You said his sudden vote with no explanation is newb townie.

Why are you sheeping me if you think I'm scum?

That's pretty odd.

[Junk]

Can you explain why did you suddenly stop scumreading me?

Weren't you townreading computer?

I'm still scumreading you. I was never townreading computer, I'll lynch him today. but I'm far more interested in pushing your angles on why he's scum

Yes you were townreading computer. You said his sudden vote with no explanation is newb townie.

Why are you sheeping me if you think I'm scum?

That's pretty odd.

Why are you worried about me sheeping you if you think computer fan is scum?

That should be pretty obvious, considering your read on me, and your read on him.

[Junk]

I did. it's addressed to me, talking about you.

Hop off your high horse bub

I don't think "hop off your high horse" is a very valid thing here to say. It's pretty weird.

You're just repeating the stuff that was told before.

Are you at loss for words?

Also, since you apparently read my entry, don't you have any comments?

[Junk]

What is the town mindset behind GuiltyLion scumreading me, and then suddenly sheeping me on the lurker?

I'd think a townie would be willing to be more tunnely and still pushing me, if the vigor/aggresion he projected at me eariler was actually real and genuine.

I think GuiltyLion lynch today might be better than computerfan0.

[Junk]

if it turns out to be a computerfan green flip to get your red flip, I'm fine with that.

Why would computerfan0 green flip mean I flip red?

I think you're scum who thought to himself:

"Oh hey, I should help Junk mislynch computerfan0, and then mislynch Junk tommorow"

[Junk]

You're just crumbling.

Are you at loss for words?

scum trying to bait emotional responses

Baiting emotional reactions isn't scummy. It's usually towny.

But that's not even what I was doing. I never baited anyone this game, lol.

Also, if you're calling me scum, why are you still voting computerfan0? Isn't he spewed town from me being scum?

[Junk]

if it turns out to be a computerfan green flip to get your red flip, I'm fine with that.

Why would computerfan0 green flip mean I flip red?

I think you're scum who thought to himself:

"Oh hey, I should help Junk mislynch computerfan0, and then mislynch Junk tommorow"

If I were scum that thought that then I wouldn't argue with you while I do it lmao

Well you didn't wanna argue with me. You said this:

alright then, have it your way. let's flip him and find out

VOTE: computerfan0

That doesn't seem very argue-ative to me.

In fact, dare I say, it looks agree-ative to me. Inconceivable!

[Junk]

@the worst Mason buddy please vote GuiltyLion

[Junk]

i think GuiltyLion is just scum flailing at this point.

That also means that computerfan0 is spewed town from GuiltyLion being Mafia.

Those two are never Mafia together in my opinion.

GuiltyLion red flips ALWAYS means computerfan0 is green.

[Junk]

Your bluff got called and it's going to end badly for you

Like, this is just comical. He's making threats to me, as if we were a Real-life Mafia mobster group or something. It's funny, lol

[Junk]

okay

so if I'm scum. why do I flail so hard to protect a town computerfan?

You aren't protecting him.

You are literally voting him dude.

[Junk]

actually L-2 the worst also unvoted

No, I'm at L-1

You are baiting GL to quickhammer me

You are scum, please die.

[Junk]

but your argument is I'm scum and computer fan is town, because I pushed on you when you voted him and then turned and voted him?

what is my scum agenda in any of that???

Help me mislynch him, and then, in your mind, that would worsen my position, and make me easy to mislynch tommorow. And scum needs only 2 mislynches to reach LyLo in this setup.

[Junk]

GuiltyLion + Junko looks like a pretty likely scumteam to me.

Some wildcards are YellowSnow (very low chance) and YottaCat (low chance) and computerfan0 (if GL is town)

[Junk]

I kinda want to post-by-post analyse why I am so confused anyone can read Moony right now but those analyses are really annoying and I think the most valid response would be, "ok"

@Junk what do you make of their unvote? How about the way Yyotta is prod-dodging through the game?

also VOTE: computerfan0

this must be a piece of my imagination

And I'm at L-1 now since you weren't voting me before

I am a Power Role

[Junk]

Town Doctor

[Junk]

Lynch GL

if he flips scum lynch Junko

if he flips town lynch computerfan0

[Junk]

Can you explain why did you suddenly stop scumreading me?

Weren't you townreading computer?

I'm still scumreading you. I was never townreading computer, I'll lynch him today. but I'm far more interested in pushing your angles on why he's scum

Yes you were townreading computer. You said his sudden vote with no explanation is newb townie.

Why are you sheeping me if you think I'm scum?

That's pretty odd.

Why are you worried about me sheeping you if you think computer fan is scum?

Junk, could you please claim?

Do you seriously think GL made a good point here, dude?

the worst, you disappoint me.

[Junk]

I believe he wholeheartedly believed what he was pushing which is the most important part

...and why did you want me to claim?

Have I not been obviously townie enough?

[Junk]

I believe he wholeheartedly believed what he was pushing which is the most important part

...and why did you want me to claim?

Have I not been obviously townie enough?

Answer me

[Junk]

I believe he wholeheartedly believed what he was pushing which is the most important part

...and why did you want me to claim?

Have I not been obviously townie enough?

pretty much, yeah. my paranoia of you only subsided todsy and what GL was saying rang in the back of my mind as a distinct possibility.

he and junko are both townreads of mine, so both of them thinking you were scum contributed as well.

sorry.

lol

[Junk]

computerfan0 is a spewed townie from GL being scum

Please, wake up

[Junk]

Anyway, with no Vigilante, it's objectively pro-town if computerfan0's slot dies as soon as possible (as that slot isn't likely to help town)

Lynching anyone else beside him Day 1 seems silly and anti-town.

and this is textbook reasoning to push a mislynch

(with the added bonus that he's probably scum)

W H Y

how about you lay out an explicit reason why computerfan is scum if you want votes there

alright then, have it your way. let's flip him and find out

VOTE: computerfan0

This is not a townie progression

Please, wake up

[Junk]

................................

[Junk]

GuiltyLion = Scum

Kill the Scum to Win the Game

Do you guys Understand

[Junk]

the worst asking me to claim when I was at L-2, with no intent to hammer on me, and not in a risk of getting quickhammered makes him lock town. Because if he was scum, he would probably be afraid that it would look scummy on him (since he objectively didn't do a pro-town thing). So, lock in the worst as town and never reconsider him.

I think Junko's flow isn't bad, even though their reads are really really wrong (in my opinion). I think they have a pretty big chance of being town.

I wanna get back to YellowSnow. I thought his townread on me could have been TMI.

There is 1 scum and 1 town between computerfan0/GuiltyLion I'm pretty sure. It makes sense the most like that (either one could be the scum and the town)

[Junk]

there's no scum agenda there. you said it makes you look worse in a comp mislynch but if I were scum you would have already been mislynchable, i would have sat back and done nothing to risk getting my hands dirty. Probably not even post

You repeated a bunch of times "I called your bluff, and now you'll pay"

That implies it does make me look scummy if computerfan0 flips town.

You're scum.

[Junk]

there's no scum agenda there. you said it makes you look worse in a comp mislynch but if I were scum you would have already been mislynchable, i would have sat back and done nothing to risk getting my hands dirty. Probably not even post

You repeated a bunch of times "I called your bluff, and now you'll pay"

That implies it does make me look scummy if computerfan0 flips town.

You're scum.

Oh I misread my post.

Alright then.

Let me think.

[Junk]

your*

[Junk]

I wanna hammer down my JunkoChan townread, even though it's opportunistic.

GL and computerfan0 are NEVER both scum.

So the scumteam would then be:

GL/computerfan0 + who?

YellowSnow? YattaCat?

[Junk]

Oh I misread my post.

Alright then.

Let me think.

Please someone CC this

This is a pretty brave post to make as scum. Since they would know for sure I'm town. And they (Junko) seem like a newbie.

So yeah, Junko is almost certainly town, guys.

[Junk]

me and theworst = lock town
brass and junko = extremely likely to be town
yellowsnow and GW = good chances to be town
yattacat = slight chances to be town
GuiltyLion and computerfan = both indepedently scummy, but they are never both scum together

That's where I'm at

[Junk]

GuiltyLion is very unlikely to be scum with not only computerfan, but with Yellowsnow too imo. I remember a Yellow's post towards GL that said something like "your opinions are shit buddy" or something similiar.

[Junk]

Your "points" are crap GL, stop trying to throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks. Opinions change in mafia, get used to it.

[Junk]

Perhaps GW is scum and he fooled me greatly.

[Junk]

If computerfan0 flips town, please promise me guys that you will lynch GL tommorow.

If he flips scum, I don't know lynch YattaCat or GW.

[Junk]

Remember that there is day chat for mafia in this set up so interactions can be scripted, for lack of a better word. That being said, I don't think GL is this sloppy as scum, still. He's super careful when I've seen him as scum in the past.

Yea they can be, but that just looks like genuine sass to me.

[Junk]

@computerfan0 now it's your turn to claim buddy.

I really hope you're the second PR. That means we lynch GL and get that sweet sweet scum flip and gloat at the rest of these townies' faces.

[Junk]

Fun fact, in this set up Town Doctor is the best scum claim since only a Town Doctor can CC.

Fun fact

You were vote parking an obvious townie, and you still suspect him post-claim

Play better bro :shrug:

[Junk]

Just watch me buddy

[Junk]

Lol

My last post was pretty friendly and light-hearted

I think that what you see in others reflects your own self. Like a mirror

[Junk]

But do you like playing with others? Is the question

[Junk]

I'm bored. I wanna just hammer.

[Junk]

VOTE: computerfan0

I live on the moment.

[Junk]

That would be unfortunate.

[Junk]

i healed the worst lol

[Junk]

so mafia roleblocker

nice

[Junk]

inb4 u fools want to mislynch me

nobody is CCing me

[Junk]

GuiltyLion

and

YellowSnow

have the highest scum equity

I think that's the scumteam

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Junk]

VOTE: YellowSnow

this might be better

[Junk]

yea

if GuiltyLion is scum

i was on his ass yesterday

while the worst was defending him

so maybe if GL was scum he kills me and not the worst

YellowSnow is 100% scum lynch him immediately plz

[Junk]

YellowSnow's post are the type of posts that look townie in a vacuum

But they don't make sense with the thread energy

He doesn't seem dismayed by the doctor getting outed and cop dying n1

His townread on me yesterday "Junk is too aggresive to be scum" was TMI

His emotions aren't synchronized with the emotions a townie would be feeling

He's scum who is artificially making posts that are looking townie

[Junk]

We have 1 mislynch before LYLO right? and then the next mislynch is a loss?

So the game will have 3 more maximum lynches in total

I suggest YellowSnow > GuiltyLion > YottaCat as our lynch order

[Junk]

ironic how the worst is dead now because he asked me to claim

i guess thats what they call karma buddy LOL

[Junk]

It is also possible that GL is town, and thats why scum!YellowSnow purposely let me live, and made a kill to hunt for the cop. So that I would mislynch GL today.

If that's the case, there's a slight chance YellowSnow's scumbuddy could be brass, and he tried to distance from him with the post he made just above (where he says that he scumreads brass and GL)

So YellowSnow + brass is a distant possibility

The most important thing is though that YellowSnow is an outed scum

[Junk]

{tw}
{YellowSnow}
{cjv, junko, GrandWazoo}
{computerfan0, GuiltyLion}
{Moony, Nineja}

If you're a cop, whatever you do, do not target players like {brass, yellow, me} with decent high town equity based on a stray suspicion. these are doctor targets not cop targets. we're a lot more likely to be NK'd than slots who aren't suspected. and if the reads on our slots are wrong it's more likely to come out in a later day phase (the question "why is the day one town MVP still alive?" is always a valid question. they could be totally wrong on their reads / pocketed, or they could be scum).

We know the worst flipped town, so to suddenly come at his top town read reaks of scum trying to take advantage of his night kill.

VOTE: lion

This post makes no sense.

You're scum, please die.

Thanks.

[Junk]

YellowSnow's post makes 0 sense as town. Him scumreading me is not a real thought, when I'm unCCed Doctor, and he already said he's scumreading GL and Brass.

He is scum who thinks that the worst townreading him means that he can get away. He was looking for an excuse to bring that up.

[Junk]

I didn't vote you. I just said your line of reasoning is scummy.

I can't be scummy when I'm confirmed town, can I.

A townie doesn't bring a dead townie's townread on him as a defense. Town!YellowSnow would probably be curious why I'm scumreading him/try to talk to me/try to defend himself.

Not slyly bring up the fact that he was the top townread of a flipped townie, and try to use that to look townie.

Please try to die as soon as possible, scum.

[Junk]

I don't see anything like breadcrumbing in the worst's ISO, though maybe postgame he'll point out where I'm wrong. However, here's what I'm thinking.

First of all, I wanted to see if you'd fake claim healing someone because you'd possibly forget that there's supposed to be an RB if you were lying about being doctor. You didn't so I see no reason to doubt the claim at this point. I am slow to trust, but, eventually, I get there when it's deserved.

More on point, the worst was the IC and did not seem to tip off his role at all, so, there's actually two possibilities why he was the target last night rather than anyone else. The first is, he was on the right path with Moony slot and Guilty Lion.

The second would actually pretty much absolve Guilty Lion. I have not crunched the numbers, but, I believe the town IC is the most likely night kill for a two newbscum team. So, I think Moonyslot, who would be implicated in both situations might be the best lynch.

I've got to look at GL's recent games to see if he takes that shot, since if he's scum, he's probably calling the shots. I'll do that tomorrow night. GL, want to be a bud and link some recent scum games to possibly clear your name?

That could be it, yes.

YellowSnow does look like a good player, though. Scum!him could probably catch the worst as the cop? I don't know.

I know for myself that I didn't think the worst was the cop, he was just the most obvious heal target. I was 99% sure I'm dying night 1.

[Junk]

Please try to die as soon as possible, scum.

I really don't want to rush this day phase.

I want to gather more information after an interesting Night Kill.

Yes, of course.

What I was doing is called banter.

Also, the brass is really townie. Don't doubt him, guys. He is town.

[Junk]

YellowSnow - GuiltyLion - YottaCat should contain both scum.

The challenge for most glory is to discover the 1 townie in that trio, even though in the end it won't matter because they will all be lynched regardless.

[Junk]

It's fine, I know what crumbing is.

I don't think that crumbing is a good tactic anyway and I don't bother with it.

People are either PRs or they aren't.

People's claims when potential CCs happen are either genuine or they aren't.

He probably just felt the worst was the cop? Whoever killed him? I don't know.

Well, one thing for sure is that in this setup Mafia Roleblocker - Town Cop - Town Doctor, when the Doc is forced to claim D1, scum probably roleblocks him every night, while looking for the Cop? Since Cop is a bigger threat? And if you kill the Doc and try to RB the cop, you won't get feedback if you were successful. And you also don't kill any unclaimed townies to try to reduce the Cop pool. While trying to kill in the pool of unclaimed townies to cophunt might be the optimal play in this situation, always. (When Doc gets outed D1)

[Junk]

Ooooh right, from their point of view, the other Town PR could have been JK.

[Junk]

Ooooooooh so that's why they didn't kill me.

They were afraid of the Town JK protecting me.

[Junk]

So roleblocking me and killing in the pool of unclaimed townies, is, after all, the optimal scum play in this situation, always. (Mafia roleblocker + Town Doc confirmed)

[Junk]

YottaCat lynch is potentially gamelosing.

if they flip town, f5 will be scum!GL + scum!YellowSnow vs town!Junko + town!brass + town!GW

Brass will probably come around to the correct conclusion, but GW and Junko will probably do something silly like tunnel each other or stuff.

It's not like YottaCat is a hard-to-lynch slot, and they would get away with slanking until the end of the game.

If we don't lynch YellowSnow today, after I'm dead, there is the risk of him fooling you guys.

[Junk]

I think it's reasonable to assume we have two newbie scum and that the worst was targeted due to his IC status. Also, he may have been on the right track about his leads.

the worst suspected guiltylion and guiltylion was on the tail end of a town lynch. I think that may be a pretty strong day 2 case.

He did not. He was townreading GuiltyLion.

[Junk]

...

[Junk]

Yes, I agree.

[Junk]

And just for the record on not believing doc claims as town, I think you might have been in the game where I as VT tunneled, I want to say UCVoyager, who was town doctor, even after his claim. I don't just automatically believe a PR claim because in my very first game on site, the mafia had a PR claim which was not CCed and we mislynched town due to it. I trusted it without question that game, and I don't ever want to do that again.

Looks like the town PR who decided not to CC is an intellectual

[Junk]

I thought Yellow might have been bussing GL but now I doubt it. GL's treatment of Yellow is pure and not mafia/mafia.

Yellow + GW maybe? IDK

Yellow bussing brass is a possibility, but brass is independently just so towny

Yellow bussing Yotta is also a possibility, but it's just so lazy and random. Yotta could easily be town.

Don't think Junko is scum, as it has been already said by others too.

[Junk]

The second scum is hard to find and I can see us losing :shrug:

But at least scum!Yellow will die for sure.

[Junk]

Okay, thanks for making it easier.

[Junk]

ayyyy we doin good bois

[Junk]

GW defending Yellow (who is scum) is bad look for GW.

GW, if you're town, you have had completely wrong reads the entire game so far, lol.

[Junk]

Junko-chan, from now on, call me Junk-senpai, please.

[Junk]

Alright GW is town.

He isn't the droid we're looking for.

It's just YellowSnow + YottaCat, I guess.

[Junk]

"out of respect to brass I'm holding off on the L-1"

Because putting a guy at L-1 would be so disrespectful to another guy

Thanks god you're not like that

[Junk]

I wouldn't rule out a YellowSnow + GuiltyLion scumteam, I suppose

[Junk]

Who is GL's scumbuddy?

Why make these posts when we're playing a game about lying

[Junk]

LOL

Now that's pretty silly

[Junk]

But the idea of the game is to decide who to listen to and who not to listen to

And I chose not to listen to you

So what's the problem now buddy?

[Junk]

Not really, no one is going to gamesolve all by themselves.

Talk about self-limiting yourself man, sheesh

It's like people are afraid of growing stronger

[Junk]

Okay, Commissar Joseph Stalin, my bad.

Do you also happen to drink vodka and pray to Bears as a holy animal?

[Junk]

Junk is like a tweaked out chimpanzee with a TEC-9, spraying lead everywhere and claiming he's hit a scumbag with every round.

LMFAO

i love this guy

[Junk]

It was actually created by a Moscow State University professor.

Yep. And he's still alive. His name was Dima something something.

[Junk]

nobody is ccing me you buffoon xD

[Junk]

all of these talks about percentages about claims, setups, ccs

its so cringey man

nobody is CCing me

GW if ur town, ur a monkey XD

[Junk]

waaait wait wait

i get it now

if we're playing in setup C-1

there is only town cop, and no other town or scum power roles

so i can be scum if we're playing in setup C-1

apologies, i didnt rly read all of that

okay then thats valid i guess

still, ur just trying to be a hero by giong against the consensus

i havent been scummy, you WANT me to be scum, so u can be a hero, GW

[Junk]

if GW is scum, he probably wont kill me in the night, to try to mislynch me

[Junk]

especially if he's the roleblocker

if yellowsnow flips roleblocker, good luck leaving me alive if ur scum, GW, buddy

[Junk]

i dont tihnk scum!GW goes out ofh is way to tinfoil me liek that if yellowsnow is town. he'd probably just chill

the only way GW is scum if he's with yellowsnow, and he's desperate

[Junk]

yea if yellowsnow is goon, and GW is the mafia roleblocker, roleblocking me every night and not killing me while trying to mislynch me is perfectly valid tactic for him

[Junk]

Junk-chan-kawaii-desu

There is this thing called distancing

Where two scum buddies want to fool the town

That they aren't scum buddies

By doing stuff that, for example, baka-chans like you would read as not mafia/mafia, such as, for example, voting each other

[Junk]

p-edit so scum!yellowsnow is sacrificing Grandwazoo while being on the spotlight himself? to get town credit? MAYBE but if we keep going like this I'm get drunk with all this wine

Girl

YellowSnow is 100% the lynch today

His vote really doesn't matter

Nobody will follow him

He's not "sacrificing" GrandWazoo...

Maybe GW could be town after all. But not because of scum!YellowSnow voting him

[Junk]

LOL

these guys are hilarious

After Yellow flips scum, you guys should lynch GW next

their convo was really fake, awkward and artificial

[Junk]

>>>

MY LEGACY IS TO LYNCH GRANDWAZOO TOMMOROW<<<

>>>

MY LEGACY IS TO LYNCH GRANDWAZOO TOMMOROW<<<

>>>

MY LEGACY IS TO LYNCH GRANDWAZOO TOMMOROW<<<

>>>

MY LEGACY IS TO LYNCH GRANDWAZOO TOMMOROW<<<

>>>

MY LEGACY IS TO LYNCH GRANDWAZOO TOMMOROW<<<

[Junk]

please hammer the game is dragging too much and its slow and boring

hammer yellow asap, please.

[Junk]

There is also this thing called bussing. Which is what you are trying to do with yellow.

He wasn't scumreading Yellow before

this is TMI that Yellow is scum

ISO GW yourselves, and see that he never called him scum before this post

[Junk]

@Junko-chan GW is the second scum

@heraldbrass GW is the second scum

@GuiltyLion GW is the second scum

[Junk]

@GW your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum your scum

[Junk]

@mod yellowsnow is voting grandwazoo

i am voting yellowsnow

[Junk]

lmfao

[Junk]

omfg this guy is also scumreading me

u guys are bad at mafia

i dont rly wanna play

[Junk]

i heard bad stuff about mafia scum

i should have listened and not engaged in these aids, lol

[Junk]

ill remove ms from my bookmarks and i guess ill come back in 4 days to see who got lynched

[Junk]

u r person votes me probably

sad that minimum 1 town plays mafia on this level

@guilty lion

u decide today's lynch between me and yellowsnow

pls make it fast

[Junk]

if i get lynched my legacy is to lynch yellow snow and GW

if thats wrong its not my fault since u guys not only atrociously made me claim D1, but or trying to lynch me D2 aswell. take this loss, and reflect on it.

[Junk]

Whatever

[Junk]

Wht does scum!GL kill tw instead of me

[Junk]

Still think YellowSnow is mega scummie

[Junk]

Would prefer YS lynch instead of GL

[Junk]

Gl and YS will cross vote

So its up to Junko chan to decide now

Luckily shes lock town so thats nice but she probably votes GL and he flips town

[Junk]

Me and junko and brass are lock town

And

The person with korean avatar is also town

Thats all i know

[Junk]

Lynch YS

[Junk]

Intent to hammer YS

Intent approved

[Junk]

Alpha Charlie Bravo 0505

Permission to fire given

[Junk]

YS + GW

[Junk]

YS repeatedly bringing up that the worst townreading him, thinking it makes him look towny

means that

YS purposely killed tw (because he was townreading him) because he thought he could ride on the laureals for freelo

[Junk]

lmao

[Junk]

we dun goofed bois

we dun goofed

votes are locked at lylo right?

[Junk]

anyway im not voting GL right now so you guys can rest assured that you two are town and im scum

i tried to heal junko-chan but it was pointless anyways

[Junk]

so you guys can rest assured that you two are town and im scum

i meant that you dont have to worry if you two are town and im scum, since i didnt just instantly vote GL

[Junk]

i think GL is scum though and i will vote him eventually, i think

i just read his post and it was pretty damn scummy

man, screw you the worst, for townreading GL so much and messing with my head XD

we should have lynched GL day 1 instead of computerfan0, who was spewed town from GL being scum . . .

(now GW will call me an insane ape who is spreading lead everywhere LMAO)

[Junk]

i think it could be GL + brass

i really dont think junko is scum, and, GL and GW are never w/w

could have junko-hard pocketed me though? @_@