VOTE: ofrhz
hi hi hi!!!
it's been a while
same!
y tho
this feels kinda lamist
not even remotely
this one?In post 20, tris wrote:It's the same reasoning as last game.
this is kinda townie actuallyIn post 47, insomnia wrote:First statement implies - another player is scum reading someone for something, so i’ll hop on as well
Second statement implies - I have a reason for voting Baesu myself, so I’ll hop on
How is that not a huge difference? He’s stacking in rvs and advocating a potential mislynch without any reasons for voting.
I just didn’t like the sheep, you can wagon Baesu if you want
ngl this kinda feels like you're trying to redirect gl's attention off of your meh rvs entrance onto elbirn's meh rvs entrance
i kinda disagree; in the very beginning of the game i think it's important to start generating useful info as soon as possible in order to move teh game post rvs, and this often happens by forming wagons and seeing who is willing to jump on to what.In post 64, insomnia wrote:RVS = random voting stage ???
Ummm yeah? This is why I don’t scum hunt in RVS. This is why I vote people who stack up in rvs, especially without stating a reason for it
idk if scum!tris goes out of her way to meta beazu's past games in order to justify a p3 unvoteIn post 72, tris wrote:I took a look at some of Baezu's games, and her RVS's there seem pretty consistent with how she was here. Even sometimes when there was more relevant content to react to. UNVOTE:
so based on 80, i think that *insomnia* thinks that votes should be used to pressure people - he initially voted roster to pressure him over his beazu vote, but once the convo had moved on from there, he felt like his vote wasn't really doing much useful in that context, and moved off. i don't think that looked at from this pov the backing off is particularly suspiciousIn post 83, tris wrote:Maybe I was speaking to strong; looking back it does seem a bit more in line with how he was posting before, but it's the sudden backing off of his push on roster, and out of a discussion which at this point was definitely not RVS anymore.
why are you incredulous about this?In post 95, Elbirn wrote:You meta'd someone on page 3 about their RVS behavior?
In post 97, Invisibility wrote:VOTE: insomnia haha lolIn post 43, insomnia wrote:Stacking votes in rvs on someone without posts is scummy tho
Plus, he mentioned “The Lion is onto something” not “I agree with GL’s read”, huge difference.VOTE: insomnia haha lol
both of these are atrocious
this is kinda townieIn post 104, rosterfoster wrote:It was L-2 I think.Normally I would be ok with it but the pressure isn't going to do anything.
... that *was* the reason for insomnia's vote?In post 111, Elbirn wrote:Rooster had a weird entry to the thread and I dont know why THAT wasnt the reason for insomnia's vote.
ngl 46 kinda read to me as a bit buddying-yIn post 118, GuiltyLion wrote:well at this point he has explicitly stated that he did:
???? he's the towniest person in the thread rn
i don't see ofrhz or rooster rnIn post 120, MariaR wrote:Insomnia and ofrhz are town.
Rooster is towny
Invisibility is a valid vote as well
hm well, that was easy.
why
ok, why do you think gl's bs'ing on this read?In post 133, Elbirn wrote:I'm asking you why you're townreading Rooster, because I'm trying to sort *you*. As it stands I think you're bullshitting,
vizzy you're kinda pinging me as scum rnIn post 134, Invisibility wrote:who is the other valid voteIn post 120, MariaR wrote:Insomnia and ofrhz are town.
Rooster is towny
Invisibility is a valid vote as well
hm well, that was easy.
fair enough but idk if scum!you then goes and highlights that doing so might be in scumrange when you're getting townreads for it soIn post 159, tris wrote:I think I might. But, I haven't had experience as scum that counts for much, so I don't know.
nothing in particular about that post so much as when i read that post i realized that holistically his posts were scumpingign meIn post 159, tris wrote:What's scum about that?
i've seen more than once scum entering a game in rvs by lol-throwing down a vote and not engaging with already-existing content; it's a lot easier to make a random vote (and attribute it to rvs when asked!) than to actually engage with things as scum, and i've caught scum on this before (actually i think you were in one of those games - brass's pick your poison last year; i caught scioness saff there with that); all of beazu's, elbirn's, and enigma's entrances kinda fit that category for me, so i can understand gl's thought process there. i agree that it isn't inherently a particularly strong reason to scumread at this stage but i liked the push on p2; it was indicative of trying to get the game moving out of rvsIn post 160, ofrhz wrote:Re: the push on Baezu - I think someone else mentioned earlier that they though Baezu's entrance was more null (i.e. "lacked town") and not really scummy, which is kind of what I thought as well. GL later said this wasn't a strong scumread though, so I don't really want to overanalyze this
idk if he's been like explicitly forming a townbloc but the way he responded to mariar *not* forming a townbloc in the way he expects/wants to happen implies that he thinks that this is something townies should be doing now. and he's kinda doing it himself - he's townreading tris and pushing people who aren't (mariar, elbirn)In post 160, ofrhz wrote:I'm not really seeing the bolded? I think he stated a tr on roster and tris, but I'm not sure about forming towncores or even starting to
ftr not scumreading GL for this, since it's still early, but i'm not seeing how this is a valid reason to townread him.
idkIn post 165, Invisibility wrote:skitter what the heck dude why is bad for me to say haha lol haha lol
also
can someone convince me to move my vote
why is roster town?In post 170, insomnia wrote:Roster town
elbirn this bit is reminding me a bit of last game where you were having a hard time with ank because you couldn't understand her solve or where she was coming fromIn post 176, Elbirn wrote:And I think that's largely where we are at. I'm having difficulty seeing where you're coming from on this because, stating the obvious, you and I have radically different play styles, and I've attributed you making a mountain out of a molehill to being disingenuous when no you're just like this.
does this include me?In post 176, Elbirn wrote:I feel like I'm just over here trying to play a normal gameand there's at least 3 super try hards in here readyand waiting to crawl inside everyones assholes over every bit of minutiae and I'm like fvxking ughhhhhh
imo there were a few people who made meh-ish rvs posts similar to beazu's on p1, including you and enigma. of the three i think enigma's entrance was holistically the worst because it just ... never really developed into anything beyond that one rvs postIn post 178, Elbirn wrote:In post 167, Enigma wrote:guys what happened to rvs and where did the walls come fromRespectfully, you couldn't read 7 pages in the 3 hours between these posts?In post 168, Enigma wrote:sorry was going to read tonight but ran out of time, ill catch up over the next few days
I understand if you have things going on irl but please come play the game, you beetlejuicing into here and then not doing anything is a bad look
i dont' think there's been an excessive amount of lurking for this stage of the game.In post 180, Baezu wrote:Honestly, invisibility did that too.
I’m not really sure why there is so much lurking...
do u think he's active lurking?In post 183, Baezu wrote:I was really just trying to engage a lurker- that was it
a) why is elbirn clearly town?In post 184, Baezu wrote:You don’t need to bugger off, it’s pretty clear you’re town and you are trying to generate activity and unify town.I appreciate having strong players like that in my game! It’s great for town!
do tellIn post 185, Yes Mafia wrote:I think theres scum in at least 1 of insomnia/gl/rooster/skittles
vizzy i'm not really tracking most of your votes rn
i don't much like this wagonIn post 201, light_ganski wrote:Yes Mafia (6) - volxen, Baezu, skitter30, Invisibility, rosterfoster, tris
a) why are you voting yes mafia rn?In post 208, tris wrote:Actually, VOTE: Yes Mafia It's L-2 now so I'm not worried about an early lynch.
i kinda think that yes mafia is independantly scummy but i also think that if he's town here he's basically lynchbait and that the wagon on him is atrocious. given how quickly it built i think that scum are quite ok with him getting lynched rn and that there's very very very likely scum on that wagon; that's where id' like to scumhunt rn.In post 219, ofrhz wrote:I'm actually fine with the Yes Mafia wagon despite not being on it
I can understand the reluctance around not putting him at L-1 so early though, since that puts them in claim and lolhammer territory
Still tr'ing tris
yeah so like this is the bit that i'm having trouble withIn post 222, tris wrote:I just don't want a quick lynch. Also I don't necessarily scumread Yes. I just wanted to put pressure on em. Didn't realize there were so many votes already.
Yes is in a pile of nulls that I want to sort.
(i'm a she btw)In post 233, insomnia wrote:Why, is he usually an easy tr?
eh fair enough. i started a new job about a month ago and i'm mostly around nights and weekends now; the past few times i've been able to post nobody else was really around at the time that i was. hard to post in real time with people who aren't, like, aroundIn post 234, ofrhz wrote:Long summary short is that she would be posting more frequently and engaging directly with people in a real-time manner if she were town
explain
sorry sorryIn post 250, rosterfoster wrote:Skitter I know it's how you post but just sorry in advance that I will not process your walls. I would find it much easier to read the same content in 10 consecutive posts, like I do. But don't change for me <3.
In post 220, insomnia wrote:It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.
I’ll wait 24 hrs for a claim from Ym and then I’m voting.
@ roster i think that these two lines from insomnia probably dont' come from scum tbh
hey did you ever say why you think roster is town?In post 253, insomnia wrote:Roster not you
In post 251, rosterfoster wrote:Eh. I kind of wished that early wagon on you had stayed, but whatever. Imma just pretend the whole family emergency business didn't happen.In post 220, insomnia wrote:It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.
[vote[Insomnia[/vote]
you reaize you're voting him for having a different pov about mafia theory than you, right?In post 261, rosterfoster wrote:It’s town’s job to get rid of scum. Telling apart scummy town from scum is the most important job.
I want to revive your original wagon which should never have disappeared.
In post 266, Invisibility wrote:why did tris vote melike thisand not unvote
I voted volxen because he shaded someone early then did jack s word
vizzy you're votes this game are all really awkward. and like awkwardly timed too.In post 271, Invisibility wrote:ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
VOTE: yes
don’t claim or I will suck your shoes like pasta
i don't know what you mean by thisIn post 272, Invisibility wrote:you know what insomnia can go back
In post 275, Invisibility wrote:ugh yes is probably doing this crap as playstyle because eogiiekejhowknwgiosbegh
UNVOTE:
and if you think this is a playstyle read why are you voting him again?
i dont' get the tris or roster townreads.In post 284, GuiltyLion wrote:I got tris/roster/elbirn/ofrhz/skitter as very likely town
volxen I wanna think is town but his townreading me was almost a little too on the nose and I wanna see some scumreads. could maybe swap with skitter but skitter has been at least unwinding some other threads in addition to hardcore townreading/defending me as well
invis I've liked his reads so far, mindmelding on read of the game feels town-indicative
insomnia has had a few genuine sounding posts
baezu has felt kinda buddy-ish at times but some of the being lost/passive vibes pure to me and not a scum front
none of those four are totally out of scum range, just not where I want to look for now. wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong on one or a couple of them
MariaR/Yes Mafia feel like good scum candidates
Enigma isn't readable at this point
y thoIn post 286, Yes Mafia wrote:Senor Elbirn, my lynch pool now = tris/gl/rooster/skittles/enigma/volxIn post 258, Elbirn wrote:YM, why these four in particular as a group? I can draw names out of a hat but that wouldn't mean much. Do you see a connection between these four that I don't?In post 185, Yes Mafia wrote:I think theres scum in at least 1 of insomnia/gl/rooster/skittles
this is kinda townieIn post 294, Elbirn wrote:.....Eh.
Playing poorly =/= being scum
I want to lynch the latter, not people who are guilty of the former.
Your idea is well intentioned but I can already imagine that YM is going to be the inevitable low charisma/lurker/"Bad at mafia" Day 1 "Compromise" lynch (tm) and I'd rather spend this day phase....not on that.
isn't your vote on yes mafia basically a pressure vote? what's the difference between voting yes mafia and engima rnIn post 296, tris wrote:I am a bit worried about that myself, but I unsure of where else to go at the moment.
I don't think Enigma is a good vote. Either they'll show up and produce content to read, or they'll be replaced.
these are kinda confusing given that your'e using associatives to justify townreads without explaining your reads on the people they have associatives withIn post 299, Enigma wrote:some initial townleads
ofrhz - meta
chicken - interactions with insomnia
tris - nothing specific, just general game play (and also 72)
maria - interactions with gl, particularly 173
thats enough on this list for now
y tho
and no insomnia's town
yeah i'm kinda agreeing actually. kinda think vizzy might be also tho, but i dont' think tehy're scum together; i don't think their interactions on this page feel partner-y (specifically vizzy following enigma's vote on insomnia that quickly)In post 323, ofrhz wrote:Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scum
a) why do you think yes mafia is not mafia (i guess don't respond to this if this is not public knowledge or whatever)In post 329, Enigma wrote:yes mafia (i.e. not_mafia) is lynch bait and people are voting him because of his terrible play style rather than motive in this game
insomnia
1. i dont tr him and i dislike the ym wagon
2. his hammer threat is meh ... you claim or i vote you wahh wahh is not helpful for town, especially against a player who is playing like yes mafia
3. i agree with rooster's argument on him
4. fundamentally disagree with him on the voting "mislynch bait" d1 is townie
this is bad too.In post 331, Baezu wrote:Oooo really not liking this post.In post 295, insomnia wrote:YM you have (expired on 2019-04-07 01:02:59) to claim
Or I’m giving you the almighty hammer
1) you’re already voting him
2) you can’t hammer because he’s at L-2.
So basically you’re just trying to out a role claim?!
Not cool, my esteemed friend
VOTE: insomnia
no, i don't think soIn post 333, Elbirn wrote:Do you think scum-somnia would be so transparent about wanting to force role claims?
yes, but lack of town motivation != scum, and i thtink it's fallacious to push someone for thisIn post 334, Enigma wrote:no but more so, i cant see any town motivation for why he would try to force a role claimIn post 333, Elbirn wrote:Do you think scum-somnia would be so transparent about wanting to force role claims?
yeah if anything i think it might be meant to be a nm spoof accoutn but i dont' think not mafia is actually associated with itIn post 353, ofrhz wrote:Yeah I don’t think NM is actually part of the hydra eitherIn post 349, skitter30 wrote:why do you think yes mafia is not mafia
can you elaborate on the gl scumread please?In post 358, Enigma wrote:i sr gl and insomnia,
i guess i can kinda see this pov but that's def not how i read that vote; i read it more like she was trying to maintian the momentum of the wagon but didn't want to be *on it* if it ended up happening. also a pressure vote on someone who isn't here *and isn't responding in any way to the pressure* when they are doesn't really do muchIn post 362, ofrhz wrote:I didn’t really see her vote that wayIn post 336, skitter30 wrote:why are you townreading tris?
i think that her vote on the wagon was quite awful and indicative of trying to ensure that the wagon stayed within lynch-range
I think she voted to keep up the pressure on someone who was periodically popping in but not being very towny. I can see why she unvoted at L-1 to avoid a lolhammer or something, but I generally agree with not backing down from pressuring a wagon when the person being wagoned hasn’t towned it up (so her unvoting at L-1 but revoting to put yes at L-2 makes sense to me). I think her vote on yes also tracks with her statements that she had a bunch of null reads but no strong scumreads at the time.
I think she’s town because a lot of her thoughts mirror mine to the point where I think they’re unlikely to be faked
were you ok with lynching him at that time?In post 370, tris wrote:My unvote was more of a reaction to seeing that I had accidentally put Yes at L-1 without realizing it and without announcing it. I wasn't opposed to it being brought to L-1 as long as people are aware of the fact.
ok fair enough, i miscounted the votes; i thought it was a l-1 voteIn post 370, tris wrote:That was L-2.
i'm used to town!him being very like tonally .... ~not awkward~. very free-spirited, unscripted, just saying whatever pops into his head, his thought process making sense and me being able to follow itIn post 370, tris wrote:How do I read Invisibility?
say this bit again? i'm not following what your'e saying thereIn post 373, insomnia wrote:I’m trying to figure out if what I’ve said was suspicious enough for a town to do a complete 180 and vote them
But, for your pleasure, my town read on him slowly but surely goes away. I’m waiting for more content from him before I can estabilish a final read
this has been talked about a bajillion times already, why are you asking about this now?In post 376, Baezu wrote:Was this the post that irritated you?
The fact that he made a scum pool out of four random people without any explanation?In post 185, Yes Mafia wrote:I think theres scum in at least 1 of insomnia/gl/rooster/skittles
In post 381, Baezu wrote:Enigma- yikes! Now I see what insomnia was talking about...this post is scary (among others)
In post 381, Baezu wrote:Insomnia- he’s a great player and I totally thought he was town...am I misreading or misinterpreting that post? I know you were trying to explain it to me but I didn’t understand the explanation...
.... aren't you voting insomnia?In post 381, Baezu wrote:I really don’t like this post from roster- he’s been tunneling insomnia the whole game if you look at his iso, it’s scummy
why town!enigma?
have you played with him before?In post 403, Baezu wrote:Based on meta...I think his play here is town...I know that meta reads don’t really count for much so I’m definitely keeping my eye on that slot for more info as wellIn post 386, ofrhz wrote:Baezu why do you tr volxen?
you guys are all arguing a theoretical difference in how to appraoch the game of mafiaIn post 407, insomnia wrote:Explain what’s wrong about it and how you deal with lack of apathy from players and their unwilligness to spew themselves town and how that makes them not a liability later in the game and argue how slots that fit into this cathegory benefit town
this is also kinda townie ^^^In post 416, Elbirn wrote:Like
I'll lynch YM push come to shove
But if we cant come up with anything better in 10 days that's just sad
i can't tell if you're voting him because you think this statement is scummy or because you think by doing so you're providing entertainment
???? how is he doing it on the sly? he literally demanded that someone claim within the next 24 horus because he wanted to hammer them; that's like brazen/blunt/upfront/idk the right word but like the exact opposite of slyIn post 440, rosterfoster wrote:But he's kind of trying to do it on the sly? Also recently fake-hammers have sounded townie, but he's doing a fake intent, which to me feels scumIn post 333, Elbirn wrote:Do you think scum-somnia would be so transparent about wanting to force role claims?
i mean, sure, scum can push this; it's an easy way to score a mislynch. the difference here i think is that his actions (specifically the many theoretical arguments he's been having with other people in this game) here demonstrate that he ~actually~ believes this, and that this isn't something he's paying lip service to get that lip service, he's doing what he believes to be the theoretically optimal play.In post 441, rosterfoster wrote:I always had this idea that scum are quite likely to say 'This should be lynched whethers it's town or scum, becuase they are bad.' That's where it comes from.
his posts just ... have a ridiculously townie tone - push and transparent and 'i don't give a fuck about how i'm viewed for pushing this' - and everything he's doing tracks with the mafia philosphy he's espousing; his actions follow his thoughts; what he's doing makes sense as a holistic, real thought process.In post 442, rosterfoster wrote:What made him really townie? Because I'm only seeing shade on people attacking him.In post 349, skitter30 wrote:b) insomnia's like .... really really townie and his push on ym is entirely consistent with how he views mafia and mislynches and lynchbait in a general sense
a) have you played in many games with insomnia beforeIn post 445, rosterfoster wrote:Btw Skitter I do not ever recall having seen this type of convo with Insomnia before (Insomnia/Alts if you can point me to a time town you said the same I'll think), so I think it's beyond a disagreement over theory.
Btw one of the people who was really pushing the theory discussion (so Insomnia/Enigma/Elbirn) is scum. Scum wants that sort of thing to clutter the thread.
So I want to lynch in those three today. I've been kind of town-reading Elbirn so Insomnia or Engima.
um oops, sorryIn post 446, rosterfoster wrote:Also Skitter thanks for breaking up your posts. It brings warmth to my heart <3
do tellIn post 448, Enigma wrote:offerz help i dont tr skitter either
i'm catching up now and then i gotta go to sleep but i have a relatively free evening tomorrow after workIn post 454, insomnia wrote:I’m trusting skitter because she defended me
I have soft spots for people that rub my back
Let me know when you’re online skitter and let’s game solve
if you think it's a scum-driven wagon why are you voting there ...?In post 456, Baezu wrote:I think there is at least one scum between volxen, tris and invisibility. Of these, which do you think is the scum?
i can't really tell if ym's behavior is scum-indicative or indicative of having a difficult/annoying to read playsytle (whether on purpose or not is left as an exercise to the reader to discern)In post 458, insomnia wrote:Yeah let’s lynch YM, wagon dissipated way too quickly for no reason
VOTE: YM
Skitter, you know who to vote :p
...In post 475, tris wrote:She's voting for Enigma.In post 473, skitter30 wrote:if you think it's a scum-driven wagon why are you voting there ...?In post 456, Baezu wrote:I think there is at least one scum between volxen, tris and invisibility. Of these, which do you think is the scum?
bad entrance; don't like his defense of yes mafia; his reads don't really make sense to me; don't like his vote/push on insomniaIn post 480, tris wrote:skitter, why are you voting for Enigma?
:squint:In post 493, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 484, MariaR wrote:The other 2 reads are fence sitting town reads that he can easily flip back on when GL gets a mislynch and needs to go back on a dif vote.this is that thing that scum frequently do where they assume that player [x] is scum first and then explain why their behaviorwould make senseif [x] were scum
unfortunately for Maria I'm not so the whole point here is invalid
also in what universe does giving reads on every player and trying to start forming a lynchpool become "posting for the sake of posting"
In post 500, Invisibility wrote:is this like a call out or are you just hard pushing ym
you know how this is gonna look if he flips town
honestly i think the fact that he doesn't give a fuck about how it'll look if yes mafia flips town is kinda townieIn post 501, insomnia wrote:How’s it gonna look?
I appreciate your concern buddy, but lurkers are a threat to town if kept alive, not scum
ok.In post 509, Performer wrote:They're basically people I don't townread
a) lack of town motivation != scum, and it's kinda fallacious to equate the two imoIn post 512, Baezu wrote:I honestly think vizxy is scum of those three, his posts have note realty been helping town- not sure if this is his style but I’d love to see some actual content from that slot
honestly idk if scum are this brazen about itIn post 515, rosterfoster wrote:I have this feeling that this stance is always genuine, but scum are more likely toIn post 467, tris wrote:So, you think insomnia is faking this stance? I've gotten the sense that it's genuine. But, do you have meta contradicting that? If there is a scum attempting to clog the thread with theory discussion, I would think it would be Enigma.sayit than town.
ok fair enough, i misunderstood what you meant by 'sly'; i don't really giving intent (ie as opposed to covertly role-fishing, which is what i think you meant by taht) was a ploy to make him look more townie while trying to force out claimsIn post 516, rosterfoster wrote:I mean trying to do innocently by intenting rather than just looking for a claim. IDK probably wrong word.
a) kinda trying to gague how much experience with him you have and whether i think you can make a judgement on what his playstyle is like; this wasn't a particularly useful answer but i'm not sure i can actually get anything else out of this line of questining. i still think that his 'i don't give a fuck'-ness is more likely to come from town than scumIn post 516, rosterfoster wrote:a - kind of, ongoing stuff and also his alts make it confusing.
c - the anger was real
d - yeah I mean I am. If there was a reason for that picking up steam, it might convince me.
no, i'm defending him because the pushes on him are bad and you should feel badIn post 518, rosterfoster wrote:I'm also getting bad feels from how vigorously Skitter is defending Insomnia. Possible pocketing of Insomnia actually.
In post 476, tris wrote:Skitter has been saying a lot of stuff I agree with. She might be town.
In post 520, tris wrote:You're probably right.In post 517, rosterfoster wrote:I think I say this stuff as scum.In post 476, tris wrote:Skitter has been saying a lot of stuff I agree with. She might be town.
Pedit: Oh, interesting
no offense, but this progression on me is atrociousIn post 524, tris wrote:I completely read that wrong. I somehow read that as "I think skitter says this stuff as scum." As in skitter is capable of saying that as scum. Which I think is true.
i don't see it.In post 526, ofrhz wrote:Tris has expressed thoughts on the game that I have never even voiced in the threadIn post 424, skitter30 wrote:ngl i don't see anything as being particularly unlikely to be faked.
I would say yes, that kind of mind meld is hard to fake
uh i don't really wagon lurkers in general, especially not at this stage of the game, i don't see the point. unless you like suspect them of active lurking voting them doesn't really prompt them to do anythign most of the time; i don't really use my vote to pressure people to do something so much as i try to use it to push someone i think is scumIn post 527, ofrhz wrote:Why is this push a thingIn post 425, skitter30 wrote:were you ok with lynching him at that time?In post 370, tris wrote:My unvote was more of a reaction to seeing that I had accidentally put Yes at L-1 without realizing it and without announcing it. I wasn't opposed to it being brought to L-1 as long as people are aware of the fact.
In the past, you have been completely fine with pressuring a lurker by wagoning them while at the same time, expressed discomfort with putting the same lurker wagon a L-1. That’s the same exact thought process tris had here